How to Steal A YouTube Video
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- decided to make a little bonus video about this situation and this issue that I have no idea how to make a full essay about. normal pinely show uploads will be back soon :)
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This whole saga was on my mind a lot over the past few days so I decided to make a little bonus video about it. this is NOT part of the Pinely show canon
I was only able to find ur channel because i saw hasan watching ur video (and i knew how some people felt about some streamer reacting to other contend) i decided to watch the original (u have a lot of good works) because it was shorter than hasan reaction
I also found your channel from Hasan’s stream. I hope he is able to get that channel taken down so this doesn’t happen again.
You're my favorite Disney prince, bro. You're dashing and intelligent.
i always try to credit youtubers when i react to them (except when i don't approve of the channel) this means linking in the description having the name in the title and put the name in the video using graphics i also say almost every time that the links are in the description and i try to add at least as much content time as the original video
i also generally do not use youtubers original thumbnails and make my own
all in all being a reaction channel is easy it does not take a lot to give credit
can't Hassan/you copyright claim there videos to have them removed individual
Using other folk’s content in your own is already a tricky minefield to maneuver, but clip channels like that wholesale uploading the entire thing and erasing the original creator from its identity is like giving up and jumping belly first on the IED’s, hope that some way to regulate reuploaded stuff like that is available soon for creators like you my friend
Yeah I agree, it's absolutely wrong and the fact that music will instantly get copyrighted on videos because of royalties even if they're non-copyright yet a video someone worked on for a long time can just be uploaded by someone else with absolutely no worry of being caught by TH-cam is crazy.
Yeah it’s really unfair to the people have spent their blood and cum on their video. That shit pisses me off :\
Didn't expect you here Kwite!
Kwite!!
Nice to see you showing support Kwite!!
this stuff is insane, thanks for speaking out about it - but truly the biggest crime was that thumbnail, lol. big "how do i make sure this looks stolen" energy
@Cultured Anime Waifu [Russian Waifu] op is a fan of hasan
Yo
Darkviper made a series of videos trying to bring this exact bs to light.
@Cultured Anime Waifu [The most cultured account] oooh should have watched the video before making a comment
@Cultured Anime Waifu [The most cultured account] oh no it's the Loli fascist of vaush's comment section
The frustrating thing about all this is that, even in the context of YOUR OWN channel, this video (still well-made & articulate, but rushed and reactive) which has a more famous person on the thumbnail has 500k+ views compared to the ORIGINAL video that started it all (the one that took 3 weeks to make full of insightful commentary and great production) which has only 200k+ views. I blame the algorithm. Your videos are fantastic, and looking forward to more. 😊😊
That's because the new video has added commentary on it from a second person and is more entertaining though
I’m watching this video first bc of the algorithm but I’m going to watch the og vid after. Maybe I’ll also watch Hasan’s commentary too as long it’s from a compilation channel😂
Because this isn't the same topic. I'm not interested in 'radicalization of celebrities' but content theft? Oh yea, I wanna see. Also Hasan is just scummy trash so I'm not surprised to see he steals content, literally pasting himself over thumbnails.
E: even if Hasan didn't make the content himself, his content farms are of the same quality as himself. Much like how there are 200 channels posting XqC clips, all to scrape and scum their living from others work. (and sorry I can't edit comment, YT in mobile browser is _big bad_)
Glad to see this is blowing up, it is a real issue that even relatively small creators face. TH-cam is flooded with so much stolen content these days it's amazing anyone even tries to make an original video anymore, so thanks for all the hard work!
I’m glad you’re speaking up my man
if i could punch you i would
M-Mickey mouse?
COOL MAN
These "clips" channels are just blatantly stealing videos
For a moment I thought that it was Hassan Hassan
Content farms are the worst thing to happen to TH-cam.
exactly, it hurts people who actually put work into their content.
@@livingmasquerade1418 yt contacts the streamer directly and asks
@@livingmasquerade1418 Unfortunately, creators like hasan and charlie would have to "approve" the fan channels and copyright strike all others. I see no other solution
@@livingmasquerade1418 i don't think uploading a full hour unedited vod of the streamer is what you can call a fan.
@@okayida im not saying as the viewer, im saying as the guy posting it. if you wanna watch the vods, go for an official source then.
This is what the official MoistCritikal has been doing for a while and it always bothered me. Because he starts some videos presenting himself as someone that knows about a subject, but then it turns out he just watched a viral video about it. Then he just cut right to the livestream reaction of him watching that video for the first time. Charlie does the courtesy of linking the original video but still, the original creator is the one that makes the content, does the research, the editing, the real work. And it happens that the reaction gets more views than the original video.
Youre 100% right. I like criticals original videos but his reaction videos seem shady af
You clearly did not watch the video just from this comment alone
@@KonekoBarasket eh, he's a lot better than other channels. Its not like hes watching avatar
@@whosapickle I’m talking abt the original commenter, I think he wrote the comment because he thought the video was on Hassan posting a vid not someone else posting Hassan’s vod
@@KonekoBarasket You clearly did not understand the main subject of the video
Great work dude, you are super articulate in explaining what is clearly an extremely frustrating situation. I mainly try to only watch VOD re-uploads of channels owned by creators who have said they don't mind it. I had never considered the impact it could have on the creator they are reacting to, although reaction content is generally not what I watch anyway.
Anyway, this is the first video I have seen of yours, and much like Hassan, I immediately like your content's style.
TH-cam support is insane the creators literally have to cry and beg for their help on Twitter. Crazy part is it's the only thing that works.
Except for when it doesn't and causes YT to start filing through their videos to demonetize/strike them by retroactively applying arbitrary and vaguely worded new rules.
And since Twitter is such a shitshow the spaces we can reach for help is fading fast.
See that one crazy lady pulled up to YT headquarters with a real stick up her ass and we were somehow confused for years...
TH-camrs and Twitch streamers will be in shambles if Twitter actually goes under. They have no other reliable way to communicate about their issues as f***** as that sounds.
My 2 false strikes are just a wet fart in the wind. I’m not even big enough to be monetised, but surprise surprise the channels I was critiquing are YT darlings (Dateline and Matt Walsh) and could get their YT liaison to overlook fair use and make an unlawful copyright claim. I was not allowed to argue, just cop the strike.
YT doesn’t care about creators or content. Just money
ur so real for talking about this bc this happens to a lot of creators and it’s good to see ppl talking about it especially talking about content farms and how they will blatantly steal content and not credit the OP
This is one of the many topics that DarkViperAU talks about significantly in his series against react content and video's like the topic of this one.
@@GalvanizedKeller5938 Also Jay Exci who was actually really polite and well mannered about it all but got shat on by these twitch reactors
I’ll be honest.. I wound Hyup here and subscribing because of that same video LOL. It’s Judy how TH-cam ecosystem is unfortunately. But I’ll search for original creator and come and subscribe …
Happens to Charlie a lot too, that’s to be expected though
yup sadly.
How to Steal A TH-cam Video | HasanAbi reacts to Pinely
Someone should make a site where theres every movie and tv series for free but theres in a corner xqc doing nothing.
that would be illegal but incredibly funny
The worst part is that NONE of the monetisation of these channels goes to the creator of the video either. It's messed.
For Hasan specifically , he's fine with channels like these monetising off the his own content
It's just that when people start to exploit his fairness of the community , he will step on
From what we know , Hasan Compilations has been attempting to copyright OTHER Hasan React channels
@@danielomar9712 the thing is tho like, he really shouldn't be giving them free reign to monotize what amounts to an entire video someone else made just cause hasan pauses and talks during it sometimes, that shouldn't be something he's allowed to let other people do
him reacting to the content and getting paid to do so, fine whatever, but he's basically allowing someone else to make money off a video he had no part in making
@@enbydeadly scumbags that take advantage of stuff like that are to blame, not the streamers, Hasan & Charlie etc. aren't okay with this and are trying to stop them. So hey atleast they're trying to help, but still these kinds of clip channels are disgusting we both agree
@@ghostcatcoon8175 Hassan is fine with people monetizing clips of him reacting to the hard work of others. He just doesn't like it when someone stops other re-uploaders from making money by DMCAing them. It's bad enough that Hassan is making money from the work of others. Letting more people exploit that doesn't make him better.
@@dantheman2907 did you ignore the video? Hasan is okay with people re-uploading his clips, not full videos with his reactions, he doesn't like them acting like that on top of it. He's made that mistake in the past and has since that point made it clear it was a problem. He's not a saint but he's atleast trying to look out for smaller creators
The fact that even big names like Hasan and MoistCritikal can't do anything about it is the most hopeless part of it. What the fuck is youtube team doing??
Yesterday on stream Hasan said that he's in contact with YT about this. Let's hope for the best.
Worrying about swear words according to Moist :-/
The TH-cam team is wasting time moderating swearing.
Critikal is one of these channels now. Why would he want it to stop?
Do you know how much effort it takes doing actually important things like looking for a 3s clip of a child near a firework so they can strike the 15minute video it's in!?
This is what scares me into not making videos sometimes... Seeing other people's videos be stolen (and it has happened to me with original meme edits a ton), is really discouraging to smaller creators who want to put something out there. I absolutely hate content farms jeez.
Everyone knows watermarking videos is useless, especially for faceless content. Glad that this was YOUR video, your face, your voice. Imagine if you didn't show your face how much worse the sharing would be...
Put your stamp on your videos anyway possible and keep making stuff.
Can't wait for streamers to react to this and then watch it in an hour long compilation
I’m the type of person who watches these vods, I never even thought of how negatively it can impact small creators. Thank you for speaking up and educating us on how negative these channels can be!
the streamer shouldn't even be live streaming the content in the first place.
@@oh_its_noodle reaction content has value in the content ecosystem
This is not to say that this Vod channel is valid. This is to say the streamer shouldn’t catch fire for streaming reactions
@@homegrown4335 The only person who wins from reaction content is the person reacting to it
@@oh_its_noodle not true. Pinely himself talked how the reaction was beneficial, created a lot of traffic for him and his channel. Is literally free publicity. Specially if it's a big channel like Hassan.
holy shit do people like you even exist damn faith in humanity restored
i remember when i initially started watching charlie and hasanabi, i'd get MORE recommendations from these compilation channels than the creators themselves. i'd always find it shady bcuz it'd recc me the same video that i just watched on the actual channel but with the word "reacts" next to it. youtube does not deserve to have this monopoly over video content they're SO bad at handling themselves. the only reason i'm still here is bcuz my fav creators are here.
thanks for talking about this pinely man.
i remember i found hasan from his actual channel and i thought one of the clip channels was his second channel lmao it’s bad
my videos are worse than pinely's videos!
You gotta be simple af to watch those two in the first place
Charlie is fine but really? Hasan "America deserved 9/11" Piker? Sir, what are you thinking
I actually really fucking hate how Charlie just became another streamer. His videos fucking suck now, it's just him saying stupid shit for two minutes before cutting over to the VOD from his stream. So fucking boring to hear him just regurgitate other people's youtube videos.
Happy to hear that you spoke up about it ! Stealing other people’s work should be hit with a warning. Keep up the good work !
DarkViperAU Was ahead of the curve
didn't he used to play fortnite and was exiled from the community cuz he macroed? idk why i remember this, but i do
@@soar_on You're thinking of someone else
Who?
I feel like creators are afraid to speak out about these things because they are afraid of being seen as money hungry or attention seeking, and it's a shame. I appreciate when creators speak out against what hurts them because it can allow me to avoid those things when I see them. Thank you for bringing this up!
Weird how that works when a corporation will steal your money for humming two seconds of a song
@@TheMoonlightMage THIS
Jay Exci did a whole video based on Hasan reacting to one of his long video, although it hits on different points, I think it's still relevant for this issue
I am experiencing this same issues on my channel. th-cam.com/video/eh1jrQfrM6Q/w-d-xo.html
If you spend weeks on something or even pour your heart and soul into your hard work you would be gutted if someone stole it with no credit your work. Nothing to do with money.
React content is some of the lowest effort shlock that anyone can make. There is some very basic value to it, but unless you're an expert or critic with a lot of knowledge on the reacted content, you can't inject any personality.
I mean, I would argue if the reaction added 30 minutes to the whole thing, the criteria here in this case definitivly should be enough
@@RealQuarliethe probably is he played the whole video and that extra 30 minutes is meaningless. He should of only played the parts that he wanted to view and comment on with something of importance.
He probably didn't even took it down, just made it private or unlisted in order to keep the revenues. 😐
I'm really glad you raised awareness about this Orr. ✊
Did not expect to see you here 😮
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Damn you watch pinely
yay you watch Pinely!
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Reminds me of those "shorts" channels that will just slap on a video of them playing a game below a stolen video. Just plain scummy!
Funny thing is that sometime they even steal the gameplay footage
Those are only like a minute long tho.. lmao
I think that's kind of cool actually. These sobbing creators like Pinely need to chillax if you ask me.
@@NotoriousLightning ok
@@LordDomielOfElysium yeah they always have like a bjillion parts so that you would go and check out their pf to see the full story
It's funny how those reactors basically do a similar thing but just in a way people think is okay. Reactions take a fraction of the work it takes to create the video that gets reacted to. And even if the reactors are "fair" and link everything in the description or point towards the original creator.. well guess what no one gives a shit, at least a lot less people that would've seen the original video if it wasn't for a reaction. And it's so accepted to a point where creators that put hundreds of hours of work into videos think it's okay and cool if someone reacts to the full video just because they might get " a bit of a push" or because they don't want to seem too greedy. I mean if small creators react the impact isn't that big but the big reactors up top they only grow bigger and bigger because no one other than reactors could hold up with them in term of quality of content. Because the quality comes from smaller creators who don't even get something out of it. It's sad.
I want to point everyone reading this towards the video series by darkviperAU on this topic he explains all this in much more detail. I'm not even a content creator myself really but it's just the sad reality of what reactions are (in the form most big reactors do them at least)
Drives me nuts whenever I watch a video essay and then my next reco refresh is like 4 streamers reacting to that video. I watched the original, I don’t need to watch someone else watch it & comment
The fact that you had to “make a scene” to get something done is crazy, and it’s sad that’s how it is nowadays. More of us need to make a scene together
Make a scene about the need to make a scene.
Revolution!!!!
my videos are way worse than pinely's
@@weirdyoutubechannels You're not wrong there
General strike. Worker solidarity worldwide
Saw you mention this on Twitter, glad to see you speaking up about this! It's a big issue that I don't see being talked about as much as it should
It's a surprise finding you here
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What if goku was a twitch streamer
It’s very disgusting and unfair. Hope TH-cam does something about this.
Thank you man for posting this so I'm aware. I live on these vods and twitch and I had no idea. Great work on your videos, I'll check more of them out for sure. Stay strong brother. 💪
Man I feel this right now.
I spent 23 hours making an artwork just to get 1k likes only for the reposter to get 3k.
What's worse is he claimed it as his and he doesn't even respond💀
Hope you reported the reposter :O From a fellow artist, it’s literally one of the worst things that can happen rip
I know an artist IRL who has 1+ million followers on Instagram. I was speaking to her once about this issue and she said that when she first saw people reposting her work (when she had a much smaller following) she hated it, tried to get things taken down etc, and thought her work was being "stolen", but eventually she realised that people sharing good work on reposting channels actually helped her, the audience found her work and she became popular and successful.
@@NotQuiteFirst yeah but thats cus someone prolly credited her. op's comment was about someone not crediting them. honestly if i were op i'd strike that post down with a copyright infringement notice
@@NotQuiteFirst sure.
@@NotQuiteFirst does she have 1+ million followers on instagram because
1: people reuploaded her artwork without credit
or
2: she makes good art work and uploads regularly
The reason for her own success is because of her own merits. content thieves have only been a roadblock that she had overcome despite their attempts to stifle her growth
Kind of reminds me when Anime Music Videos (AMVs) were really popular 10-15 yrs ago, and AMV editors would post their creations on YT, then these other businesses would collect all the best editors' AMVs & repost them on their channel, and these channels would consistently get a lot more views than the creating editors.
Damn that's a deep cut I remember those AMVs
good old times
This is why Hasan is dumb when he says “I don’t care if other people upload my content on TH-cam and monetises it” because it’s not always just Hasan’s content.
Maybe Hasan shouldn’t have created this in the first place.
Wait Hasan makes content? Doesn't he just steal literally every video he makes?
Your video? No comrade, our video
Been the victim of this a few times now and I'm really glad you made this video. It's something that I think many creators don't want to talk about because of the backlash but I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your thoughts.
yooo its that cool vtuber cat guyy
You're so right, I've unknowingly watched so many of these reuploads of Critikal's streams and even got happy to watch him react to videos from smaller creators that i love, but knowing this now it breaks my heart to see that in reality they're being stepped on to make a lazy person a bigger paycheck. As much as I appreciate vods and reuploads as someone who doesn't have time to watch long streams regularly, it's not worth it when smaller creators are suffering from it
I felt the same way, I've been recommended multiple of this guy's videos and have considered clicking on them but didn't because they felt...off? The thumbnail was very clickbaity and I figured I would just watch the original video. I'm glad I have been doing that.
DarkViperAU made a great video about react channels and how they steal content. You might have heard of him from the drama he had with Charlie and in response he doubled down with his series that was long in the making.
@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs I did see that, but there were some...interesting things that Viper said....
@@cavanmorber3238 You didn’t see the video, his words in his tweet previously, were let’s say, a bit over the top. All of his videos were a hit out of the park with evidence.
Suggest looking at his videos as those were much more concise and wasn’t a quick outburst of emotions.
@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs Fair enough
I hate these channels with passion, I remember confronting one channel that was stealing Sidemen content and some people actually defended him, shambles
This is the problem with reactionary and reposting content, so many channels can become huge with needing to put minimal effort and creativity into a project and just benefitting from other people's hard work
This is not a fan channel. This is an opportunist channel. Any fan of Hasan should fundamentally disagree with this type of content stealing garbage.
Sorry this happened to you. I can't imagine how disappointed this must be. I loved the video. Hopefully the extra eyes on your channel will get your views up a bit. You deserve them.
We Hasanabi heads definitely do disagree with that kind of content stealing garbage! Hasan even came out angrily yesterday against that channel and revealed that he has been working behind the scenes with his production folks, dating from long before Pinley's content was stolen, to try to get youtube to stop them. We're all on the same page on stopping this shit it seem.
lmao the mental gymnastics on this
Hasan already steals content, and yet you claim a real fan wouldnt?
The same Hasan who has played TH-cam content without reacting, occasionally not even on stream with the video playing?
@@kyrroti I get your point but the dude steams everyday for nine hours, he's going to need to go pee or something.
@@kyrroti he gets up to pee or cook constantly regardless of the content. guy has to eat lmao
This video explaining the situation now has more views than the actual video in question, amazing
this website is too silly
TH-cam won’t do sh*t until TH-cam creators unionise.
You've earn my respect my guy!
Thank you so much for participating these out
As somebody who doesn't watch a lot of streams live I find value in reuploads of reactions. But when the video is taking credit away from the original poster and it isn't edited, that really sucks. I just hope that this shakes out in your favor.
Omg Mr breast can I have a millon dolars
He is credited and this type of video only opens his work to a very very much larger audience and benefits him...
@@rolemodel1989 Reuploading peoples videos takes attention away from their video and onto yours, you take viewers (and ad revenue) off that person
@@rolemodel1989 i guess streamers should also be able to upload entire movies too right? Because it just opens that movie to a whole new audience!
@@NihongoWakannai movies are massive projects that take TONS of people , TONS of planning , TONS of work , TONS of time , and millions of dollars... and you are here comparing them to amateur ass dudes , who barely know the basics of editing and do glorified rant videos.
Of course nobody cares about stealing from a TH-camr , but a movie is a WAY different thing
Found you through Hasan, and it totally sucks that this vod channel has done this. Hoping TH-cam will quickly fix it, even Hasan is trying to get that Copyright claiming channel gone, without taking down the rest of Hasan's fans clip channels.
The sad thing is that this channel is the most consistent with the most recent clips out of all the fan channels. Its justba shame the guy running it is such a piece of shit
It's the Hasan industrial clips Complex
I thought that Hassan didn’t care that there are a ton of channels who are reposting his content….
@@saladman420well not when copyright claiming other channels and blatantly trying to take viewers from other people
@@armanpamma9454 oh okay that makes sense
Holy shid.
When I saw the title for this video for the past couple months popping up in my feed, I was like "damn maybe reactions streamers ARE the problem." That's because I thought it was their vods and clips that they or someone affiliated with them uploads. And I remember there being a drama between two creators because of these similar situations where one person was accusing the other for stealing their content for reactions, so it struck me as this being something similar to that.
When I watched the video finally today, I didn't realize there was like an actual criminal ring that abuses the copyright strike system like this.
Sorry about this man. I at the very least hope that your video gets more recognition like it deserves, and at the most hope that these spam channels get regulated and terminated!!!
They like doing that kind of thing where they copy paste the whole title before adding the 'reaction/reacting' part at the end so that when you search for the same vid they always comes up either first or second, at the very least add the reacting part at the start of the title.
I love how real you are for posting about this on the channel
@Cultured Anime Waifu [Russian Waifu] you did not watch the video
@@golden_bing2933 naw, they are very active Hasan hate watcher. Boosting the videos in the algorithm by clicking on literally every link in a weird discord that posts every upload by almost every Hasan Clip Channel and then posts weak bait in the comments. It’s wild
I love how you post the generic vague and entirely unoriginal comment that could be used on literally any video. Can we just take a moment to appreciate this guy's verified checkmark? Who's still liking random verified youtube channels in 2023?
@@captainsprinkles6557 you sound hurt, boy.
@@kyleleehufnagel Don’t remember talking to you, girl
I have a feeling that this video right here will blow up, given that it's in my recommended despite me only rarely watching Hasan, so at least something good comes out of this situation.
I think you're addressing an issue that resonates with many content creators on TH-cam.
It must have bothered them for a really long time, and rightfully so - I wouldn't want people to essentially steal and profit off of something I have worked on for hours either, it's a really simple concept to understand.
A lot of these clip channels are reformatted stolen or bought channels. They then in turn copyright strike other people's clip channels. It's a pretty big epidemic that hasn't gotten a lot of attention.
Did anything show up in your copyright tab in Studio? Or was it tweaked enough not to show up? I assume if they've been getting away with it for this long, they've figured out a way to evade claims somehow...?
Nah nothing showed up over there, found out about it manually
What's horrible is that instead of dealing with crap like this, TH-cam stupidly updates their policy, which they don't mention to anyone btw, that gets a lot of videos/channels demonetized. Great job team TH-cam 👏👏👏
the banner from my profile channel will give you suggestion
Instagram updated an algorithm that favors the original creator. TH-cam should follow suit
I really, really do not see the difference between the reactor and the reuploader. They are practically doing the same exact thing.
The reactor didn't want this to be posted, he never made a video, it was a fan edit. It would be the saem thing if he uploaded this type of video to hasanabi channel
@@spyczech He's still using this guys weeks of hard work to benefit himself with almost no effort at all.
@@loayzc10 the obsession being over who put in effort is short sighted, and not whether having reactions and fair use protections is valuable to society an our ability to critiue and have discourse over art which is now chiefly in video format. reactions allow a creators content to be challenged or intellectually dissected and that good for humanitiy making better art critiquing in real time has value on a social or cultural level even if sure its less ad impressions 4 pinely
@@spyczech it's like you've never even seen hasan react to things. He'll literally leave videos playing, (other peoples hard work) while he goes off to make food or whatever. Fair use laws are important, and they're there to keep the creators of the original work from having total and complete control. But just because those laws are important does not make them perfect. It's plain to see that reacting to content is just a convenient (and legal) way of stealing someone else's work. They reap all the benefits without having to do practically any work. Is it really SO different from reuploading? I think not.
i love being able to watch this while it's still warm
hell yeah
You must on some level recognize that Hasan specifically built that platform by taking videos like yours right? When he turns off his stream, his viewers necessarily have to go watch other creators and/or interface with recommendation algorithms and so end up finding new creators to watch that appeal to their interests. Hasan's goal is to prevent this from happening as much as possible, to reduce any reason for people to watch and/or find other creators. The scheme Hasan and his 'clip industrial complex' run, is to create a situation where he can stay live as long as possible with as much content variety as possible in order to become the middleman for the exposure that you and everyone like you would naturally recieve absent his interference. He does not give you exposure, he takes it. On TH-cam, his goal is to have any spot that would naturally have promoted someone else to show his face instead, and he succeeds in doing this through reuploading other people's videos with his face in and on them.
Have you not ever wondered how a person can "give exposure" to creators for 10 hours a day yet have become the biggest US creator on Twitch? How he can "advertise" other creators with thousands of reuploads yet grow staggeringly fast on TH-cam? Reaction content INCREASES the amount of people who watch the one who makes it. It successfully pulls viewers from the wider market, from other creators to the reactor. If reaction content actually lead to people leaving the reactor and watching someone else, they would stop doing it once they recognized this was so or they would simply disappear as they would soon run out of viewers to lose. Funnily enough, being the focal point for the collective works of thousands of creators is a much better spot to be than any one of those individual workers who actually have to create what Hasan grabs with his gluttonous fingers.
You will spend weeks making your next video, and Hasan will spend those weeks watching every video made by every creator just like you. You will end up with one video, he will end up with 100s and will never need to open an editing software even once. You and people like you built Hasan's platform, it is a shame you will never see it. What happened to you isn't rare, it is the norm, and it is the entire purpose of his enterprise. He has an unpaid labour force called "Hasan clip industrial complex" specifically to change impressions that otherwise would have promoted other creators on TH-cam, into impressions that promote Hasan instead. You can't beat the middleman. Again, he isn't giving you exposure, he is taking it.
Your support of Hasan isn't simply about you. You support him in his lifelong theft of others. This reaction video helped you, what do you think the other millions reaction videos do on TH-cam Pinely? You can recognize a reaction video of your own content is competition, what about the other millions of reaction videos that exist because someone believed themselves entitled to weeks or months work because they sat in a chair and paused a video? How many times would your videos have appeared, but a reaction video appeared instead? How many times would someone have watched you but said "ah well, X creator uploade that 50th reaction video today, so why try something new?". You not only support the harm of yourself, but the harm of others.
He and Hasan are in contact and friendly it must burn you to see how your insane crusade gets ignore time and time again lmao
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Man, I knew I'd find you here. I'm honestly shocked that everybody is so casually fine with content theft because they like the thief.
Very sane thing to say. A whole scheme? An enterprise? Very weird to be that obsessed about protecting pinely from someone who he obviously likes and doesn't agree with your paranoid takes. Hope you get the therapy you need bro.
Im glad you're bringing up light to something me as a viewer gets frustrated about. I can only imagine your anger.
I definitely watch a lot of these types of clips and it really boils down to, in general, I’m interested both on the subject and Hasan’s take on it. To me, it seems like original creators should get something akin to music royalties at the very least, probably even during the original react, let alone the re-uploads.
Found you thru the Radicalization video (which I loved). But subbed cause of this one. Thanks for being courageous enough to speak out about a real problem with the platform right now. I hope you keep growing and growing
This Pinely is becoming more and more underrated...
I don't think you know what underrated means
You mean more like a breadtuber?
@@releasethekraken5039 he doesn’t do videos on bread?
Lol a person getting more popular and getting more views does not translate to them getting more “underrated”
when you don’t know what underrated means
with shorts, it's happening more often now
theres a creator i watch, mostly because he goes over content that i enjoy and i enjoy his commentary on it. he goes over longer videos, usually the original is over an hour long. something really interesting is that when he does his reaction, he only watches half the video. oh, youre left on a cliffhanger and wish he would just finish the video? well then, you can just go over and finish it for yourself. nothings stopping you, and you really wanna know the ending dont you? its a good way to do react content imo
this shit happening is so unreal and even something as simple as leaving a link to the original video isnt done either ffs
Been here for about 3 yrs. Ive always loved your channel, even back when you had the suited box character. You have developed so much a creator and Im glad your speaking up about this situation.
that channel comes up in my recommendations a lot and i've watched a good amount of their videos, but now that I know that's what they're doing I will definitely stop watching them and try to be more aware of other channels doing the same. glad you brought light to this!
Hbomber guy half inched this video 😮
Ive always thought it was cool how hasan lets clip channels use his content but I never thought about how it hurts other creators. You bring up a good point.
Also it’s actually pretty easy for anybody to claim or strike a video. It’s kind of a problem how easy it is. You couldve claimed them pretty easily and they wouldve had to sue you in your home country if they wanted to keep it up which obviously isn’t something they’d spend resources doing.
Most of the stuff Hasan reacts to is news and other streamers, when it comes to TH-cam videos its rarely anyone who doesn't want their videos to be watched.
Most of the TH-cam commentaries he watches are are content creators who are friends with Hasan and want him to watch his videos
It's a scummy practice from top to bottom. TH-camrs need to DMCA these streamers more, and streaming needs to die. It's content poison.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 so you want video game companies to dmca playthroughs? You want to make the already hellish dmca involving music even more worse?
@@declaringpond2276 Where the fuck did I bring up video games or music? I am talking about streamers with no talent watching other people's content, who actually have talent, AKA a content farm to fill in time. Please argue my actual point, not your own.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 You understand that once you start that DMCA you open up video game companies to do the same, they legally can, just look at Nintendo they have a history of copyrighting playthroughs. If they felt like it, any content that wasn't "transformative" which is subjective, would be copyright struck.
Music has been a big issue and honestly I'm surprised you support harash limits on creativity after seeing the results of the music dmca plague yourself, why do you want to enforce even more restrictions towards content creators?
The Hasanabi industrial complex (The group of channels that clips and monetizes clips from Hasan's stream) generally reject Hasanabi Compilations and they have a bad name within the community for how they approach things. Many of the channels attempt to be more transformative with the content and do credit reactions pretty well. Its sad that many of us got here from the love Hasan gave your content but it also took away from your earnings.
@@MadWatcher Hasan viewers are basically a cult.
@@MadWatcher it's sort of a joke based on the U.S. military industrial complex
@@MadWatcher It's borderline cultish. The fact that many of them want their channels monetized for simply uploading Hasan clips is the crazy part to me. Literally the only one who maybe deserves monetization is Ostonox.
@@MadWatcherts a community meme (like mrdotdee said) and Hasan doesn’t mind that there are fan channels and he doesn’t even want a cut from them just as long as they follow certain guidelines like dont rip out whole VODs of segments that dont do any editing, dont upload reaction video streams wholesale but its okay to upload highlights of the commentary being offered during those segments and also credit the original creator if the clip being uploaded involves a reaction video. Those are just a few.
If a channel is found to be not following those guidelines, its not part of the community of fan channels and they usually would work to just strike it down if they’re found to be maliciously uploading videos to siphon away monetization from the original creator.
@@TheAluvisify It's literally just people realizing Hasan is ok with having his clips published and monetized. Ive seen quite a few that are definitely transformative not just Ostonox. It also feeds into Hasan's overall view numbers so he sees it as a win-win.
DarkviperAU made a series about why react content is bad and all the "react CC" got their EGO hurt so bad they didn't bother listening and just mindlessly bashed him and sent their army to attack.
Hey, not sure if you'll see this, but you should get in contact with Kyle Hill. He's in a different lane of content (science vids), but fighting the same people.
I’m so glad you brought this to light. I watched the video 100% thinking it was Hassan’s channel and it’s crazy how these bots and corporations can get away with making money by straight up stealing basically both of your videos 😮
It wouldn't be any less stealing or shady if it were Hasan's channel
imagine getting three weeks of your work just straight up stolen and then finding out that what happened to you is just a symptom of a whole streamer vod freebooting empire
LOL! Reminds me of being a musician during the Napster years...part of why I quit.
You quit because of Napster? Good riddance
I joined a stream a while ago that posed a solution to this problem (by Zoe Bee); get your viewers to watch the video in another tab, and sync your play and pause times, so they get the video + the streamer’s reaction. It’s a bit more work, but it could put a stop to the clip compilation channels, plus the original creator gets the attention and monetisation they deserve!
Ngl I found the stolen video first, I had to look you up because I prefer watching OG videos instead of reactions. I'm glad I found your channel!
came from hasans stream, fuck that "fan channel" and everything they manage. you deserve so much more love and attention on that insanely well made video, and im so sorry that people just piggyback off hasan being popular instead of giving credit to you :(
Hasan has signed off on these clip channels for years. He has always been able to copyright strike them down but hes said he doesn’t do it because he feels he is doing these clip channels a favor. Go tell your streamer not to sign off on an entire complex he has a nickname for that’s stealing peoples content they worked so hard on
@@sydney5225 yeah because they upload HASANS content, people watch the videos FOR HASAN.
This specific channel is ran by some shady people who directly rip videos and thumbnails from several content creators.
Hasan doesn't care if someone uploads his take on Elon being an idiot, his main TH-cam channel pays his editors, and he's glad people can make a quick buck from his content. Many other streamers will just take the pennies of profit for themselves
nah it’s messed up. The least they can do is leave a link for the original video of Pinely, or even edit Hasan’s hour long reaction to the best bits like some other clip channels do. Just because Hasan lets them take his content, they think they can get away with this. These clip channels & reaction channels think they can get away with it under “fair use” but that doesn’t apply to them
If Hasan doesn't like what one of the clip channels does he will get involved as soon as he is aware of it
This got recommended to me after I finished watching Hbomberguy's video on plagiarism
Isn’t it weird how he didn’t call out his buddy Hasan for all the content he’s stolen.
@@dbnathan5 In the Plagiarism video he did technically "call him out" at 1:06:54, though it is just a small joke. I wish he had gone into that more deeply but I assume it just didn't really fit the video
It is good that you are bringing this stuff to the light for more people to know. I'll try being more conscious on clip re-upload channels now because of this
Same thing happens with Critikal’s VODS a lot. Sometimes he’ll react to a channel like Tuv and the reuploaded VOD will get more views than the original
i hate looking up a video and seeing a wall of "[insert streamer name] reacts to [insert video name]"
sorry people are taking advantage of you and your content in this way. its one thing being okay with a big streamer you enjoy putting eyes and commentating on your vids (which is still controversial in some ways, but it's completely up to the individual and i think they've gotten much better with encouraging their audience to go directly to the channels/videos and gas up the people they watch from), but its a completely other thing for a content leech reuploading it on the exact same platform you upload on to take advantage of BOTH parties. i wish there was some kind of real resolution to this, but youtube is too busy being mad at people saying swear words to do anything meaningful.
not only that, but it seems like the only real way to get anything fixed is to yell at youtube on twitter or get a bigger creator to also yell at youtube on twitter lol
Hacker watches Pinely? Based
People, please stop flickering the god damn backgrounds!! It's distracting and can give people headaches. Just either put an actual video in the background or speak in front of a static background PLEASE!
That is why I only watch directly from the creator. If it's a reaction I check if it's their clip channel and not a reposter.
I think you made a great decision talking about this. It's really helping bring light to content-stealing channels and the people it's impacting. Thanks for sharing
Got introduced to your channel by Hasan reacting to your video - so sorry that this unfortunate and gross situation is your first major interaction with Hasan and his community. I'm glad that you were able to get a boost from him reacting as a silver lining at least. I'd love to potentially see a collab between you and him in the future in some way, maybe he'd be open to it to make up for this business with the clip channel. Either way though, will gladly check out your other videos and stick around for future ones.
Hasan ia already working on getting the reuploaded stream clip taken down, he didnt upload it after all
To note, HasanAbi (Hasan Piker) do not own that TH-cam channel nor post any of his stream or VODs on TH-cam because prominent Twitch content creators have strict established contractual agreement with Twitch thus are only allowed to stream and have their streaming contents only exclusively be made available on Twitch. The TH-cam channel is operated by some third-party or individual who downloaded the stream off Twitch and uploaded it to TH-cam which technically isn't allowed based off Twitch terms of service.
@@DarkZerol This is just not true. Exclusive Twitch streamers are allowed to post on you tube. They are not allowed to STREAM on you tube. Did Hasan himself upload this, no. It was one of his editors but it's still his channel and he and his editors and who ever manages his brand are the ones reaping the rewards not some third party with no association to Hassan.
@@jpegjpg this sounds made up by you. Show proof
@@jpegjpg hasan's editors?? obviously they didnt upload the video lmao it's not their channel
This is the first video I’ve watched on this channel, and it just makes me wanna watch the rest of your stuff
I click “do not recommend channel” on all these repost channels. There is a lot of JRE clip channels I’ve done that. TH-cam does a good job of filtering and I don’t get that much recommendations like that.
man this shit fresh out the oven gotdamn
This is a huge problem that i am glad you are speaking out against. I think that hasan and alot of youtubers/ streamers arent even fully aware of the level of content stealing and reuploading that is going on especially on their "behalf" . Bottom line it needs to be addressed. Justice for Pinely. Give him all the views retroactively
Reaction videos also provide very little added value to the original content, shouldn’t be monetized either.
lmfao i actually find this funny. a streamer steals content and then a clip channel steals their theft.
as long as its an actual reaction and not them just sitting there watching, its not theft as it falls under fair use.
@@kemcolian2001Hasan's reactions are a market substitute and use far more of the original material than they actually need, that's already enough to not be considered fair use
I love how I got suggested this video an hour after this was uploaded even though I'm subscribed to neither of you. Hopefully this will get more eyes on that essay you worked so hard on.
Same here. The TH-cam algorithm is extremely well designed. It knows we watch the hasanabi clip complex and realized this was somehow related
@@shawnv9135 the funny thing is I don't even watch hasanabi clips. I think it's just because I'm plugged into the commentary community and have watched occasional youtubers upload their own twitch clips that the algorithm decided this was for me. I also watched the original essay as a result and loved it. I became a new subscriber so they must have something right.
I actually hadn't even seen your original video, just the Hasan reaction VOD. Your point on the videos being direct competition is 100% true. I feel bad but at the time I didn't even realize what was happening. Hopefully youtube actually deals with channels like that one.
Hasan be like: “our” content
I enjoyed DarkViper's series covering reaction content, he nailed a lot of it on the head. Much love for speaking up on this, I personally think reaction stuff can be cool if it has valuable input, good editing, or something to make it stand out on its own, but a lot of this stuff, especially "content farms" as others have said, end up being multiple degrees of just reuploading others vids, unedited, unchanged & without proper credit
I also watched dark vipers series on reaction content and same, I only really like reaction content if it changes/adds to the content in some meaningful way (such as an expert in a field reviewing clips/videos about the topic they're an expert in)
@@Elliotshmelliot yeah the problem is that you are describing like 1% of reaction content
It’s weird because I had no idea about any of this prior to this video and I binge watched all of your videos last night simply because I love your work. I can’t imagine how that feels. You have some great takes that this world needs
This is just the DarkViperAU stuff all over again
I’m so glad that not only YOU talked about this, but that Hasan also brought up how this is not something he condones and that it’s someone capitalising off of TH-cam’s failed copyright rules
hasan is the biggest culprit. him and his fans are incredibly stupid
LOL Hasan is a scumbag
Hasan is a loser
Hasan absolutely condones this behavior, he hasn’t stopped doing it
@@samman9738 he’s not the one uploading it???
I glad you spoke about this because I have YT premium so I don’t actually notice when a video is monetized since I don’t see the ads. I like to rewatch hasans reactions in the evening and I like that they edit out the twitch ad breaks, but I didn’t realize they could monetize those videos. I had already watched your video so I didn’t watch that stream but it sucks knowing that other creators I’ve watched in the past are getting skimmed for views.
There isn't a lot of times where one can feel proud for being a part of the VTuber community, but this might be such instance. VTubing community is all about clips, heck, most people don't really watch streamers themselves, they just watch edited and translated clips of their favorite VTubers. But those clips are always made by actual fans, and they usually have great relations with the talents themselves.
When one time a clipper wanted to make a scummy business out of it, he was downvoted into oblivion, until he deleted his channels. I hope something like that can happen in this sphere too.
Ew, vtubers are whack.
i think vtubing companies know that those are free marketing and allow (for now) the whole reposting. at least those are clips with edits and translations which allows them to market bigger than their native speaking countries. meanwhile these are just straight up vods cut down to a shorter length.
Yeah rules surrounding the clipping in vtubing is way ahead of its time, which is probably why they're so successful and have international outreach. If clippers know what's okay and what's not, it creates a safer environment for them and the viewers as well knowing they're not watching stolen content. It can also incentivize translators to clip too if there's guidelines surrounding the ethical practices to follow when it comes to translation/clipping. The strict accountability held in the community towards other community members while taken a little too far for my liking at times, ultimately benefits the vtubing scene when someone steps out of line like with the translators or clippers trying to start memberships and patreons.
Always give credit to the original creator, give a link to their channel, ideally directly link the video you clipped, don‘t monetize the clip, and everything is good. Those are the basic rules to showing you actually respect the person you are clipping.
Telepurte had this problem as well. The channels stealing his animations were what ultimately made him use his TH-cam channel, which was good for me since I don‘t use Twitter. =D Over time the malicious channels dropped off.
There were channels honestly uploading his animations, with credit, just so they could spread the word about him, and they always pointed this out in the comments. Those channels removed the videos as soon as Telepurte came here, since that‘s all they wanted. THAT is the definition of good faith use. ❤