Skip, Marcellus, and Israel debate name calling Pt 2 of 2
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- I don't know how much further the discussion went. They went over time, and my DVR cut off. I'm sorry guys. Part Two: Skip Bayless, Israel Gutierrez, and Marcellus Wiley debate whether or not Athletes name calling is in-bounds or out-of-bounds 4/12/12
But he still avg. 1.4 points game
Izzy sticking up for Skip just reminds us the "Machine" is real and the "go along, get along gang" is accurate AF. Always respected Marcellus.
Facts
Lol crazy part is IZZY A GAY man. And out of all people, he would defend skip? I know for a fact if he was disrespected or called a derogatory name or slur he would feel some type of way😂
First, I don't think it's a surprise that a journalist would stick up for what they consider another journalist's free speech. They've all made fun of people so they are basically standing up for themselves and their past behaviors. I think over time, this sentiment has changed in the industry and people have slowly moved away from Skip's archaic line of thinking. Secondly, Skip is a walking contradiction, and it's best to ignore him whenever possible. He has zero credibility. He clearly was hurt by Jalen Rose''s nickname and asserts athlete's should not be offended by his name calling. Laughable.
What Skip didn’t understand initially is there is a HUGE context difference between “Tragic” Johnson or Skip “Baseless” than Bosh “Spice.” Magic was called “Tragic” because his performance in the Finals was tragic. SAS called Skip “Baseless” because his arguments are occasionally baseless or without merit. They have nothing to do with them as MEN. But calling a grown man, Chris Bosh, “Bosh Spice” has zero context relating to his profession. Posh Spice is a Spice Girl. In essence, Skip was calling Chris Bosh a woman. He played like a girl. THAT is out of bounds.
Keep name calling within the scope of the player’s profession. “Bosh Spice” has no objective context relating to anything Chris Bosh did on the basketball court. Other than implying he was so bad, Skip thinks he played like a woman.
Sadly, men have been shot over less. But if you want the fish grease to turn into a grease fire with the wrong athlete, call him a female and see what happens. It likely will only end with his face on the 10 o’clock news, arrested.
Bullsh!t, You trying to say that athletes, or honestly regular people should have thicker skin? I was raised on being bullied, soldiers being trained in the military put up with constant taunting and bullying but they push through it and it makes them stronger. Forget this dumb “go along get along game” how about actually arguing the points
So all of this is because skip got mad that Jalen Rose talked about his stats...but yet and still he want all nba players to be thick skinned...come on skip that hypocrisy at its best
Skip MUST BE HIGH! He hasn’t outdebated SAS. Lmao
@Khonor McMagomedov I don't know what you're listening to lol!!!
@Khonor McMagomedov Bosh Spice is a name that pretty much means "Bosh is p*ssy or a B*tch." You may not see it that way but that's what it means. When you say someone is soft you are no longer criticizing his play You're taking it a step further.
Exactly cuz they making millions but so what
@Matt Walker thick skinned* I meant what I said smart guy
I hope I get to meet Marcellus Wiley some day so I can personally thank him for this magnificent drubbing he dished out on national television. To say that every one of his points was logically sound, dead accurate, and substantiated with ample evidence would not do his performance justice. Mesmerizing was the brutal clarity, unflappable confidence, and the impressively cold, clinical composure with which Wiley crafted his points. He even went so far as to anticipate the ludicrous and pathetic counter-arguments that Bayless would desperately attempt to muster, so that he could rehearse precisely how best to further humiliate him. It was clear from the beginning that Wiley would not settle for compromise. He was determined to thoroughly, deservedly expose his opponent as a morally and intellectually bankrupt charlatan who crawls out of his rat hole for two hours a day in the hopes of salvaging but one ounce of the gallons of self-worth he sorely lacks. As one commenter pointed out, the producer of this show -- in a frankly un-subtle fashion -- invited Israel Gutierrez in a humane attempt to palliate the remarkably one-sided beatdown transpiring before their eyes. But nothing could stand in the way of the inimitable force that is Marcellus Wiley. Indeed, his skills as an athlete and analyst are of such impressive breadth and depth -- owing to the harmonious interconnectivity of his God-given talent, moral rectitude, and unrelenting work ethic -- that the lack of an invitation thereafter from the disreputable filth that is First Take should come as no surprise.
Harry Pecker I read that entire comment and was thinking "damn this guy is smart as hell". then I saw your name at the bottom and lol'd 😅😅
So pretty much from this video all i got was "You make millions of dollars and you are in the public eye. We can make fun of you." Great job ESPN.
“Water pistol Pete” had skip EXTRA hurt tho😭😭
@@AM-po9cq Right lol
And the dude all the way on the left of screen says it wasn’t the same lol. I laughed really hard at that nonsensical argument
Marcellus owned them
I side with Marcellus...he's da man on this argument. Skip is to prideful to back down..Marcellus backs up his side FLAWLESSLY.
What the hell is Isreal Gutierrez?
I bet Israel would trip out if someone talked about him being gay
This is why I love people like Woj and company. They report the facts and keep it about hoops.
Yeah but he is a reporter , not a host of a daily show where you need to say sensational things for viewership
There's people like me out there...... that do not need what you are referring to. To each his own. I'm not speaking for everyone.
@@Boom_Boy_o7 skip is just a old school clout chaser & shock dj like Howard Stern 😂
First Take was so much fun back then, I love how Jay is mostly letting them talk without cutting them off every minute.
HAHAHA, YOU TALKIN BOUT MOLLY....
I love how ESPN FT had to shut down for a few days because Skip was exposed as a liar. It's like to the media, athletes need to have a skin made of concrete but members of the media can have a skin made of glass. Newsflash Skip, you're a public figure too, don't get upset because Jalen gave you a nick-name and exposed you as a liar. Just goes to show you that sportswriters can dish it but can't take any criticism.
skippy shrimpy is truly the laughing stock of the sports MEDIA. So wish one of these athletes would just knock on his front door one of these days. lil shirmper would piss his pants. lil cop caller that he is bet a stack he went his hole adult life qith out even kissing a women 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Skip is a hypocrite. And ol boy. They said jalen was wrong cause he fished up some stats and called skip out his name. That’s the same thing as what skip does. How else do he come up with the names
Johnny Andrews that’s incomplete because you can find out more than just what a stat sheet says about a player and you couldn’t necessarily do that with Skip
KingofKings You're wrong. There's no difference between Bosh Spice and Water Pistol Pete Jr. Skip watches the games and makes up names based upon his own subjective experience. If Jalen could go back in time to watch Skip he'd see Water Pistol Pete Jr. scoring 1.4 pts per game. Why would it matter what was going on behind the scenes? Did Skip know that Chris Bosh was dealing with a health issue that would lead to an early retirement?
Every other moron out here criticising skip for his 1.4ppg yet dude is still a success with his 44 Pown set making millions to watch and critic sports while the haters admire him with their trash talking.
@@gamepoint8641 Stay focused they’re not talking about Skips journalism they’re talking about his basketball stats.
@@Tattedupwillfrombx exactly lol boi completely off topic
i love how skip is trying to change the truth u were watered down pistol pete and we all know it u can have ur colleagues try to buffer u up for the public to bad i see thru it maybe everyone else dont but i do
So much respect for Marcellus.
These non athletic no skill PPL are rediculous
They took down the video where Jalen Rose called him out on his lies. ESPN had to try to find the facts first. Jalen was right tho Skip was lying.
Skip never outdebates Stephen a Smith, what is he talking about?
So it's ok if the newspapers said Skip would've been a great player had he not been with that coach, but they still get to call Kwame Brown a scrub because he went to the terrible team Jordan was the GM of?
🤔🤔
Reporters don't like it that an athlete now has a voice without them.
So basically what they're saying is because they get paid millions of dollars, that gives sports writers the right to say whatever they want to them. Since they have big paychecks, these "kids" have thick skin and know how to deal with grown up criticism. Marcellus is absolutely right!
That’s exactly what they’re saying. But if someone applied this same logic to them, they’d then have a problem with it. If they started calling Scorned Woman Bayless/ Stephen “B” (bitch) Smith and that moniker was adopted nationwide and his family (you know other people who ALSO share that last name) start being offended, THEN all of a sudden it’d be a problem.
It's not about athletes against non athletes. If a former professional athlete, now analyst, calls players names, they would've felt the same way towards that guy.
Had to come back and rewatch this after the skip and Shannon debacle 🤣🤣 skip was all butthurt because Jalen called him water pistol Pete 🔫 and his 1.5pts a game in highschool 🤣🤣 so he can call Chris Bosh "Bosh spice" and lebron "prince James" all he wants and criticize athletes and they should just get thick skin but when it's turn back on him and these other writers it's not the same thing? 🤣🤣 Foh smh
Marcellus only dude with common sense
How are you gonna tell a grown man how to respond with name calling?
4:58 - 5:42.... can some tell me what’s the terminology to describe this type of behavior?
“I shame his nickname with my performance by out debating him” first off if that were true he wouldn’t still call you that 3 times per episode 😂😂
Marcellus is really smart , nice
Youre shocked because hes black ? Tf
B4 Wiley sold his soul.
FACTS
These people name-call because they know that they are protected from getting that ass whipped.
Exactly lil skip Bayless and these other frail journalist would NEVER disrespect these pro athletes to their face without security near by
Skip is self centered. Shock jock. No RESPECT. I don't watch him or listen to him.
Man I miss these days
SKIP OUTDEBATES NOTHING maybe 5% on the good day
Until someone gets hurt then will you all start changing the way you call the players name
Marcellus was needed. That intellect is undeniable. They were just trying to come up with ludicrous ways to be right.
Old episode, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. While that show was not done specifically for Chris Bosh’s family, Chris was not obligated to perform just so Skip would stop name calling. There has to be a self check at some point where Chris had already shown the tough skin and Skip just needed to stop himself from going there and he kept justifying why he didn’t need to do that.
I guarantee Mike is gonna say something if anyone calls him Michelle
so much bullshit from skip, rob, and izzy a he or her to try to justify why they should be able to call someone out of their name. they look and sound ridiculous. skip said his situation was different...how? lmao jalen had the numbers in front of him and didnt state opinions. shit was so bad, espn needed to give skip an intervention that lasted days. LMAO
i like skip but he is a hypocrite most of the time. If you dont like the name king james then why do you need to say prince james. If you call him a ringless king, then thats fare but prince, i bet he wont say it to their face.
You notice they always bring someone on here of color to defend skip
For those on the journalism side, this didnt age well.
So because the person makes millions are aloud to call the person out of there name?
Maybe I'm just slow however that sounds like some justification for BULLY CONCEPTS just saying that's what I'm hearing y'all some hypocrites at the utmost extreme level please debate me I'll show u and hand u a better way to be more entertaining without having resort to bully justification
Now I see why Israel hasn’t been on espn lmao
Sorry but just because your teammates say you could've averaged 18ppg at another school does not mean you could have. It's coulda, shoulda, woulda. Doesn't matter.
You still scored 1.4 ppg. No coach is going to sit down a player who has 18ppg potential unless they have a guy out there who has 25-30 ppg potential, which does not seem to be the case here. Ultimately, coaches want to win because that's their meal ticket to better jobs. I don't for 1 second believe this narrative that Skip was blackballed by his coach and that's why he only score 1.4 ppg...that's just ridiculous.
Also, are we just gonna forget Skip isn't even 6ft tall? The chances of him going to a top tier basketball program in college let alone the NBA is damn near 0%. So for him to act like he would've been out there lighting it up, even at a high school level, is just silly.
i went back almost 6 years later and realized skip knew he was wrong welcome 2019
Obviously this is years ago.. but if I was Marcellus I woulda been RECKLESS. I woulda told Israel say somebody calls you Bomb boy.. would you not be offended.
They will never see eye to eye on this issue. Athletes will have there side and jerk writers will have there's. Writers have that "i didnt play complex" whether they admit it or not.
I got to say this is easily one of the best sports talk things I've ever seen very interesting
What sports have Skip and Israel played? Non- athletic sports analysts who weren't good enough to play professionally but are being overly critical of professional athletes.
Stephen A is an analyst, he does work outside this show, he writes articles on espn, he analyses games. Skip is job is solely to do this show, he does nothing out of this show. Skip only gets paid for this show. I'm sorry but bosh spice is a nickname, if you use regularly and dont use the actual name, it is a nick name. Athletes are like us, they're all human beings, if they dont like the nick name then dont say it. Secondly, why should athletes come on the show to ask not be called a name?
newrecruit100 wrong moron....Skip has been a beat writer & a journalist longer than Stephen A....Dont be a dumbass
They just making excuses to name calling, I see where SAS got the loud over talking from.
Skip lacks journalistic integrity
The problem is that the actual sport is the entertainment and if people think it's boring to read about a sport or hear about it from reporters, then that should be accepted and you should let the whole thing die. But to start disrespecting ppl just to keep things interesting is out of line from a human perspective and is not a good message to children.
Public Enemy has a song, Can't Trust Them . I'm glad we have video of these people talking shit because one man was talking journalists credibility and the others had there feelings on their minds. We have a word for that and it's not thug.
Izzy defending Skip is blasphemy 😂
Skip is of the variety of people who walk among us who will hold on to any point of view SOLELY because he does not want to be wrong. The anguish of saying 'hmm you know what, maybe name calling is a fucked up thing to do to someone and I never looked at it from that perspective' is too great a burden for this demographic of people to endure. They can't admit when they are wrong. I never liked Marcellus Wiley, never cared too much for Jalen Rose either, but the fact remains theyre point wins.
The fact that they was a debate for the sake of Skip Bayless and say that you could have transferred and got better numbers? Really?
Why they can't see the same for other athletes like Kwame Brown? If he didn't play under Jordan's anger?
I wonder if Skip would call Mike Tyson ‘Michelle’?
Simes.... That does not give you the right to insult them. Insult their game but not not them personally. I still am trying to figure out because they make money we have the right to call them out.
You called him a woman skip Bosh should had slapped you
Skip "Water Pistol Pete" Bayless - PMSL
Who is this little guy? did he play pro sports?
It was not 1.4, it was 1.6....skip was a baller
Hypocrisy at its best! 😂
ESPN FT had to shut down? Huh?
Of course, I don't like these 2, but this is certainly not journalism!! What Stephen A.Smith and Skip Bayless do on ESPN is Yellow Journalism. Like I wrote before, I don't blame these 2 or ESPN for having a show like this..appealing to the lowest common denominator and acting the fool draws big ratings on TV and gets you a lot of social network mentions. I'm sure Skip and Stephen A get paid very well for doing this GARBAGE!!
This is hilarious coming from a openly gay man. Smh. 😵
Skip MUST BE HIGH! He hasn’t outdebated SAS. Lmao
Without full facts? Skips a bum at basketball his story is the same story of kids who suck at basketball. As a basketball coach, I’ve had kids, parents, outsiders with no context feel we let their kids down when they’re living in a false reality all the time.
funny how "athletes sticking up for athletes" is a thing, but "journalists sticking up for journalists" isn't.
Why does 2012 espn look more hd than 2019 espn
Bosh spice meant
Youza Bjtch. And they know it but tries to defend it
It's always different when it pertains to them it seems
Couldn't have said it better don't throw stones if you live in a glass house
wait when did this happen? i need to see that if theres any footage at all
Skip aka water pistol Pete aka mr 1.4 ppg
So can someone tell me the difference of calling an athlete a bust or nickname? Im confused
Why do athletes think they don’t have to be criticized when every other celebrity does. When you get paid millions of dollars people have a right to not be satisfied with there performance just as in any other job
Stephen A.Smith USED to be a journalist, he stopped being that after becoming a regular on this show. I don't think Skip was a journalist when he was actually employed as a journalist..calling Troy Aikman GAY in a book based on hearsay!!
In my original comment the main point was that Skip and Stephen A practice Yellow Journalism on TV, lying was secondary. These 2 have every right to act like STOOGES in order to get ratings/attention, just don't go on TV and deny it, you can't have it both ways
How many people roast each other everyday all day?
Jordan's career high is 69...so calling him Michelle equals 70???? Ummmmm
Is he on Skip's payroll
Skip u out perform SAS???? come on really???
the woulda coulda shoulda argument is so lame on skips part and so hypocritical as hed never allow that from say lebron or vick, but he will for certain others. no body forced him to stay where he was at he could've played his ass off and earned his spot enough to score more than 1.4 pts a game u think jordan would allow that kobe, cp3? excuses are the antiserum for losers at some pt u should accept the fact u didnt rise to the challenge and fight. i think he knows that and thats y it hurt.
Stephen A lies when he rants about his journalistic integrity after he partakes in the same unprofessional behavior(insulting Kwame Brown and Jamarcus Russell) as Skip on this show!!
I mean, just making regular appearances with the likes of Skip Bayless causes you to lose all credibility. Even Jay Crawford, who plays the straight man to Skip and Stephen A's ACT has lost most of his credibility. I believe Dana Jacobsen left ESPN because she was tired of participating in this circus of a show
Is Marcellus trying to say his family doesn’t have batteries for the remote!
I think the Jordan comment says it all.
And I call Lebron (LaKaren James) because he doesn’t care about his community. Then LaKaren James does interviews and tells the world how much he cares!
How does he not care about his his community??? He donates millions a year to Akron and bought a school. Wtf are you talking about. Lebron sticks up for every situation related to Black Lives Matter and police brutality and uses his voice to try and better everyone. Micheal didn't do a damn thing for anybody but himself while he was playing basketball. His only mentality was to win, he could care less about the community. The only time he donated money is when they asked him to. Get the facts right and stop being a Karen yourself
@@christopherthames6120 you asked me a question, so I will answer.
Exactly the same thing rich white liberals do! LaKaren James donates money he (earned)! Those millions he gives won’t affect his money at all! How bout LaKaren ante’s up and put some skin in the game like a real man, instead of acting like political puppet! Has he ever once wore the name of a young black man that was killed by a black person? Pay attention two the insult so that you fully understand it! Don’t be so ignorant to think that everything is exactly as it seems! LaKaren James don’t give a dam about black people or their community!
Wake Up, Don’t Be Woke!!!
@@rebeccabennett6557 Hold on ofcourse he gives money he earned, what do you expect him to give his life savings to everyone lol tf he has a family to take care of to.
A political puppet? Oh you must be republican or something saying that. This man has CLEARLY said that we all matter and wants equality. So he a political puppet for wanting the best for everyone and to stop police brutality and ppl killed for no reason??? No you wake up
Yeah one more question. Since Lebron need to man up so much. Name me another athlete who has done more than Lebron either speaking up on things in the world or donating and giving back or going out visiting schools and speaking to kids on how to be better??? I'll wait....
Edit- N stop lying about Lebron he wore the "I can't breathe" shirt for George Floyd and he had his shoes with with "R.I.P Trayvon Martin" for that situation plus wore hoody to warmups. He has done things like this countless times. The man is trying and that's more than I can say for most ppl. You attacking the wrong ppl, you got a problem with Lebron when you should have a problem with the ppl sitting on they ass not doing nothing....unless you don't have a problem with what's going on 🤔
@@christopherthames6120 perfectly said
@@sub-zero464 Thanks, yeah I had to rant there for a minute lol
The news cycle must have been barren that this topic of name calling had to be prolonged as much as it did, talk about content-chasing. And I bet nothing was resolved because everyone is dug in.
Y is guiterraz talking crazy cuz if somebody called u gay or something u b in your feelings
All I'm saying is Skip is playing with fire on a thin line with name calling and thinking he can say whatever whenever to whoever and there not be any consequences. It's gone be an athlete one day that's gone say fuck it and come after him frfr. I hope it never happens but everybody ain't humble like Lebron and just let it go.
Anybody that makes it to the pros in any sport is not soft by any means they go through hell to get where they are so attacking a guy character after a game, or few games, or a season is disrespectful. Journalists like Skip just want publicity anyway he can get it to build his fan base and earn more money and he will do or say whatever to get it. Feel sorry for the guy
Its a well know social phenomenon that negative energy creates more social stir, which in this case is views/rating and comments. People arguing in the comment sections always create more traffic which creates more money
Marcellus has a point but it'll never change from the fans to the players to the media when you put yourself in the public eye it's open season
I'm sorry Skip is soft, disrespectful and a Bully.
They dont like when you name call them lol jalen was totally fair and did his research and gave skip a nickname
Lets put it like this, would you call an athlete a disrespectful name if they were able to respond to you in a physical manner without legal repercussions? A lot of these athletes come from different worlds than most of these pencil pushers in the media. If you throw any kind of disrespect on their name they are ready to fight. Throughout history words have caused fights and wars. If you aren't ready to throw hands behind your words you should be careful about what you say. How do you avoid these conversations? Keep it about the X's and O's. If you played a bad game, you played a bad game. Call it for what it was. If it continues then follow suit and call a bad performance a bad performance. Skip got what he deserved from Jalen. The 1.4 ppg stat line will never be forgotten.
but the fact is the story wasn't told correctly
I'm so glad at least one person has a brain haha
Funny watching this in 2021, I've heard marcellus call plenty of people scrubs on the show he's on now
EXACTLY CAUSE HE CHANGED
it’s way more acceptable coming from a professional athlete than these punk simp analysts who never amounted to nothing more than jealous mouthful beta males!! The fact remains that athletes respect athletes!! Whether it’s praise or criticism, there’s more weight that’s held from them compared to comments by Skip, SAS, and whoever this light skin nobody is.
@@hbathletictraining like it or not it's literally those analysts jobs to give their opinion of the game. If people really hated Stephen A and all the other people as much as they said they wouldn't be on TV anymore nor would they be the highest paid people in the industry. Regular people have been saying top tier athletes are trash since forever. Sounds like hypocritical behavior to me
@@Sacdizzle28 check the real ratings or better yet ask any amateur or professional if they have any respect for these analysts and their beta male options. The only type of person that gives these clowns any attention are the couch QBs and the YCMA basketball weekend warriors.
@@hbathletictraining they don't do the shows for professionals athletes, they do the show for the average person who feels like these people understand the game better than they do. You NEVER watch first take? Undisputed? Or any other show with a sports analyst who didn't play the game??
Marcellus destroyed them.