You can give the people what they want without calling people names...I know that’s what he would say lol personally I don’t mind when bad or lazy players get bad mouthed
@@teknique8292 absolutely they deserve to be critiqued. I think when it gets to the point of just trying to build a career off of tearing people down in general, it's wack. It doesn't even offer anything to the audience except to hear some crazed lunatic raising his voice and being negative.
@@mistersayles6699 I was talking about how defensive skip got and how it was clear he got his feelings hurt when someone brought up his greatness as a basketball player since he loves talking so much shit about professionals
And it’s wrong, if you are making millions of dollars the reports have fair game to give you names as long as it’s accurate and doesn’t involve their outside life
@@joegiants4219 How is it professional to call someone a name that isn't their given name? It is childish and pathetic. You can say that they aren't performing as well as they can but there are other factors that you have to consider. I don't care how much someone makes, it doesn't give you the right to make call them a name that you think is appropriate. It's crazy that people actually think name calling is ok. If we were in middle school and immature, I would agree with you but I assume most of us are adults. You can criticize someone without calling them a name, or maybe they lack the ability to keep it professional. Now, if a player is acting like a child, you can say they are acting like a child without calling them a child. It's not a difficult thing to understand or do.
Jason McClellan so how come people are advocating so much for name calling of athletes but it’s ok for Trump to name call his opponents and vice versa. You should be just offended by that but you aren’t
@@joegiants4219 That's a strange assumption. I don't like Trump, I have never liked Trump and I would never support him. It's very strange that you think someone is a Trump supporter based on one reply on TH-cam. How would you even could to that conclusion? People are strange, they like to feel better or more powerful by making fun of people.
Jason McClellan ever heard or the term “vice versa” you should look it up and reread what my message. I never said you liked Trump so please stop trying find something to get offended by
I always liked jalen rose as a commentator. I have more respect for him now for telling the journalist that what they do is disrespectful and is not journalism.
Jalen is 100% right about this. Skip gets mad about Jalen calling him out about his high school career, but Skip continues to call Chris Bosh "Bosh Spice". Jalen didn't even lie about Skip high school stats hypocrisy.
Stephen A. Smith is verbose. He clearly ad libs most of what he says. Jalen Rose wins this argument because his argument is simple. Respect people. That doesn't mean you can't criticize players, but a real journalist should maintain a professional tone. Skip and Smith don't always do that.
@@keithwojciechowski3121 you're right about Jalen but he wins cuz Skip and Stephen A. are hypocrites. Jalen isn't as polished as those 2 so his examples are flaky but Stephen A. was changing the subject too. They lose cuz they're reporting is nothing more than barbershop talk. Stephen A. reporting sounds like gossiping and Skip opines on games that he saw on television
Stephen A and Skip B want to talk about everything except for the point that it is disrespectful to call a Man out of his name. The funny thing is that Jalen never disagreed with any of their points as they shifted away from the point to tell their stories in their futile attempts to justify their existence. They both kept getting their feeling hurt and Jalen just sat there calmly and detroyed both of them.
Dude wtf no he didn't. He dodged Stephen A the whole time cause he thought he had a better shot at skip. Stephen A never said disrespecting players is right. He may do it but he doesn't agree with it. The only person that Jaylen could beat was skip because skip was directly being caught being a hypocrite about people getting their feelings hurt. And Jaylen made SURE to stay on that watered down topic that he already won instead of battling SAS. He even starts talking about shit skip had a problem with but SAS didnt. Jaylen didnt even no who FUCKING said wat he just wanted to argue the SAME point he kept making to skip. All these people saying jaylen won are just copying wat every comment are saying in these comments. But yall all are wrong. Jaylen didnt win and dodged SAS until SAS was frustrated. It was that bad. Smfh yall clones
Matt Clark u sound foolish n dumb for writing dat bullshit Harry Potter book u just wrote jalen won this argument easy u see he’s only one calm n collective not catching feelings Lyk sas skip n YOU lol
Jalen is 100Percent WRONG. These are professional athletes. Pros. Feelings hurt??? Chizo Bell go read the constitution .. we have a god damn red white and blue right to offend.. Jalen has a problem with social media now too???? He's a bitch.. A bitch with a 5th graders vocabulary and pronunciation skills
@@sweetmusic846 How the hell is he wrong to ask that RESPECT is given when speaking on someone?? It doesn't matter how much the person makes, or the person questioning makes? The key word here is RESPECT!! All the other personal sh*t that you may feel, is just that..Personal sh*t, and when you start DISRESPECTING people, no matter what their profession, you NEED to be f*ckin' CHECKED, period.
Stephan A. Smith and Skip a Bayless are both caricatures of themselves at this point. Skip like a sports Howard Stern. He just says anything to get a reaction.
They tried to line Jalen up lol.. they still didn't address any of his points. All this because skip got G-Checked smh lol. SAS mad because his points are falling short lmao 🤣... "waaaaaah!! Jalen won't listen.. its okay.. i'm done" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jalen Rose nailed Stephen A. Smith! Beat SA at his own game. Checkmate!! He gave the people what they want! As an aside, any relation to the legendary cornetist King of New Orleans Ragtime Charles "Buddy" Bolden? Just curious?
You people can say whatchu want but Jalen Rose is 100% correct in every aspect. He's saying that name calling and making fun is not an aspiration. They cross the line and epitomize what you shouldn't do on a global spectrum, which encourages the way people treat each other today. Watching Skip and Stephen A. Make me not want to pursue an athletic career at a professional level. Knowing that no matter what I do and what I prove they'll open up hate among all medias. Can't stand what they're saying, hypocritical and BLASPHEMY.
I completely agree. It's one thing to analyze , however what is going on now is straight bullying. The irony you can't say the F word or the N word but you can basically call somebody "soft" "weak" or "stink" without repercussions.If I don't like somebody's sexual practices that they choose to advertise , I'm homophobic and discriminatory, however if someone doesn't like the way an athlete plays, it' fair game.
Jalen IS right. It used to be if you cant do it better yourself, then dont criticize. It is not quite this way now. Nevertheless, analysts and show hosts should be allowed to matter-of-factly dissect an athlete's skills, but the moment they make it personal with name-calling and trash-talking, then they have crossed the line.
indeed. media as stars is how it is now days. example, I liked shows like the Tim mccarver show, where it was enjoyable without all the extra. news is like that with the hannitys and bill O'Reillys, trying to be "louder" than the next.
This is an excellent point. There is no respect for time and effort even the "worst" player on a team has put in to get to the pros. It's disrespectful and I don't like it. I love the NFL Network for this reason. If Deion Sanders says something critical he has every right to. Even in his critiquing, he is not rude or condescending.
I side with Jalen overall in this matter. When it comes to name calling and things of the sort, it's unnecessary and unprofessional. Unfortunately what has happened is that in this 24/7-365 news cycle the story extends much further than between the lines of play. Skip stated that he decided to do studio because he felt his objectivity was being compromised by being ingratiated with the players. And that's fine. But you can't remove yourself from the players and then psychoanalyze them and judge their character on a daily basis as Skip does. And I like Skip, he's cool with me, but that's the truth. I have more respect for Stephen A because he at least is around a lot of the players he talks about on a more personal level. But what I never liked and was highlighted in this entire episode was the double standard that there is with athletes and media and fans. Anybody who has dedicated their life to any craft should have the accepted right to respond to any criticism they receive if they don't agree. At the least respond. But when an athlete responds the public (media/fans) counter with "You should be above that" "This is beneath you". Why? We're all people. Because a person makes money they don't have the right to respond without criticism? I don't get it. And I know some people may not care, but I thought Skip was ridiculously disrespectful to Chris Bosh. To have the audacity to say "I'll continue to call you Bosh Spice until you play up to your potential" had me dumbfounded. Utter disrespect. He came on the show, respectfully told him how it was disrespectful and offensive yet Skip pretty much "Fuck you, prove me wrong". IMO and the opinion of many, comparing a man to a woman, which Skip is doing when he says that, his a high offense amongst men. And in a professional realm, it's unacceptable because it puts Bosh in a lose/lose situation. It's not like Bosh can take care of him like they're on the streets. And Skip's smugness like he's some master or overseer above human decency in the matter was appalling. I thought we live in a world when something is offensive to someone and their family we discontinue to do that. But Skip in my opinion had that white supremacy come out with how he spoke to Bosh. "Listen Boy, I'ma call you what I want until I see fit to stop. F*** your feelings. I'll be the judge". But anyways, save the disrespect for the barbershop and around the way. That's not necessary for ESPN or any major sports outlet. If a player isn't playing up to their potential, that's an indictment on the AS WELL as the scouts and Front Offices that evaluated and paid these guys. Don't get mad when athletes get upset but the minute someone criticizes anything a media person does they get super defensive.
But all players trash talk on the court. So basically it's ok for players to talk trash and stuff and it not get blown up. But not journalist ? Jalen did say that he was a trash talker, and I'm guessing that was for the 10 years or so he played in the league. I don't see the difference.
Mr. Jamerson they’re not speaking on a media platform to the public. They’re in a competitive setting. Completely different. What happens on the court tends to stay on the court
I think Jalen's point overall point was that the line between journalism and the TMZ like stuff that ESPN does has blurred. Some of the personalities in all forms of media are trying to be like the celebrities that they cover, yet want to be respected as serious journalists. The more attention they bring to themselves, the more it helps their brands. The media covers for their peers but will come down on a former athlete that they perceive as doing the same.
Watching in 2019.My point is this: in this life, there are a few people who can do something out of ordinary - and many more others who talk about it and make a living out of this talking. An old proverb - the dogs barks while the caravan is passing by. Love the arguments and the composure of Jalen Rose.
I think Skip wanted Jalen to publicly apologize to him on the air, live on television and Jalen wasn’t having it, he stuck to his guns and stuck to his opinion and because of that Jalen was never invented back on the show
@11:55 skip makes an extremely profound point without even realizing it. thats the problem with news especially when it comes to politics. people want access so they go soft sometimes theres an incentive to not criticize. .
From the time Stephen A started talking on this segment (pt5 of 5) up to the 335 mark, is probably some of the best talking he's EVER done. It wasn't rehearsed or thought about a couple of hours or days before the broadcast. This was said right off the top of his head, and quite frankly, it was not only brilliant, but 100% spot on. One of the points I agree with most is, in a discussion with an analyst who's never played and an athlete turned analyst, especially an athlete that's relatively new, I'm going to trust the analyst knowing there's no bias involved.
Jalen Rose us 100% right. Criticize the players game, not his manhood or character. Disrespect to a persons life is not what the report is supposed to be about. Media its reality TV now. If they report Bosh played soft, why not say Jason Collins played gay??? Its not inaccurate
Exactly! Look at what's going on with Kyrie Irving as well as Naomi Osaka. The originator of screw the media is Marshawn Lynch. The media has been on b.s. but in recent years, people are finally beginning to see it!
Jalen’s point isn’t what everyone else on the show sloppily interpreted it to be. He is making too fine of a distinction that the others can’t make. The use of qualifying negative names (“name callling”) is beyond their professional. A person can have an epically terrible game, but to call them “trash” in a general sense is a a problem. It’s a hair away from saying “they played like trash” but the Skips and Stepehen As run their mouths so loudly and constantly they don’t ever see it. Calling the player trash in a general sense requires far more than the observations they just made, and beyond that it’s them just letting their lips flop
All Love? Jalen wasn't invited back until Skip Left. Also hasn't been brought on All the Smoke either? 🤔 He definitely not now. Like Jalen said, it aged well for him. ✊🏾
This was the best Debate I never saw live . I truly side with the Journalist . This is also entertainment for me just like the game. In this media age with the internet I watch more sports shows than actual games.
If they were to be honest about it Skippy and Stephen are there for personalities much more so than their sports knowledge. ESPN knew that a loud and extra Stephen A. and overly critical Skippy would sell. Because when you really listen to either of them analyze any game they sound like a casual fan.
Everything Jalen is saying is completely true, Stephen A Smith is the most ignorant disrespectful reporter there is and im glad someone called him out on it, he thinks he can say whatever he wants about anyone because the camera is protecting him I can guarantee he wouldnt take this tone on this street with these athletes because he would get hurt
Skip has a false perception about reality. Whenever he interviews any athlete following a challenge all it does is validate him irrespective of what was even said!
Skiuup was oned over and over again! Imagine him getting hurt when Jalen asked him about his HS BB career. But he do it pretty much 24/7 specially with LeBRON.
Skip Bayless, and Stephen A. Smith gets paid to be a jerk, That's how the show gain their rating so they can careless as long as the get paid it won't matter to them Jalen Rose is an honest person who doesn't want to hurt nobody....
"everyone with a tongue, a t.v., or a phone is a reporter regardless if they get paid for it or not".-Jalen Notice, like politicians, are offended instantly when you point out how pointless they are.
They owe their job to the game and the players... Those screaming and ranting Stephen and Skip are just puppets of the public. Populism is the first word that comes to mind. Gues a large part of people in the States find this amusing and rather be amused than to be informed. Name calling is disrespectfull and they are bad rolemodels. I wouldn't want to watch and listen to these arogant loudmouths and am amazed that they get the platform and ratings they do.
jalen rose isn't being stupid he just wears his heart on his sleeve when it comes to basketball look at his eyes you can tell how he's affected on a personal level he's just trying to control himself and retain some professionalism unlike the other 2
Stephen A. Is wrong , I would trust an athlete before a journalist due to the fact athletes play the game and experience injuries @ the same time ⏲️. Stephen A. Only talks about what he hears not what he sees.
Jalen Rose is low key so clever. Watching this back I realized that every time Skip accuses Jalen of saying Skip doesn't know what he's talking about be he didn't play (which Jalen never said), Jalen always claps back with "| never said that. Plenty of women do a great job reporting on men's pro sports". This statement is basically intimating two things: 1. Skip is of the same importance to men's pro sports as women reporters are. And 2. Skip has the same knowledge and influence as a reporter does, which is insulting Skip's qualifications and credibility since Skip views himself as an analyst. You could tell every time Jalen clapped back with that statement, another little piece of Skip died inside. Jalen ripped this man's heart out back to back nights on live TV. What a legend.
This was a great moment in sports analysis and reporting...very necessary, but unfortunately it didn't change much among the talking heads in the field...the argument was simple, report what you see and leave the personal slander out of it...respect to Jalen for holding firm in his position
valid points by both side but when an athlete makes as much money as they do, people are going to be overly critical. I think jalen is being a little sensitive. You grew up in detroit jalen, you were called a lot worse before you were getting paid. They make millions of dollars by playing sports, I think they can handle criticisms
The machine knows how to clean an image it makes money through. But Mr rose is a very different asset. Revolutionary person. They have a potential great leader confined to the rhealm of games
you see, its business. stephen a was correct, his audience is the public. if they didnt have this argument. u think us as the audience would pay so much attention to this????? its all marketing. when ur playing decent. nobody cares, but when u play like a scrub. they call u out. nicknames are part of the marketing. sadly, the public likes it!!!!!!!dont u see Jay was talking the twitter world is paying attention???
I agree with all of jalens points except for when he says that anyone with a phone is a reporter. Yes print media is basically dead but being a reporter (at least a good reporter) requires you to articulate yourself and be quick thinking at the same time while being able to ask good questions which is something that most people cant do.
When Jalen pointed out the the use of " Bosh Spice" is a negative use of the Bosh lineage...made me reflect on the reaction my 8 brothers would have had and how Skip would have had to take medical leave..."Bosh Spice " leads to another level of names ..then another...
Ahhhh...I just heard Jalen say, "Got to give the people what they want!" His catch phrase on his current show.
I did too lol
You can give the people what they want without calling people names...I know that’s what he would say lol personally I don’t mind when bad or lazy players get bad mouthed
They need to do a throwback on this one
Got to give the people give the people what they waaaaaaaaaant
@@teknique8292 absolutely they deserve to be critiqued. I think when it gets to the point of just trying to build a career off of tearing people down in general, it's wack. It doesn't even offer anything to the audience except to hear some crazed lunatic raising his voice and being negative.
Impressive how SAS and Skip went out of their way to tell the tales of how "awesome" they are in their own heads.
Water pistol Pete is what started this whole thang🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
....wrong....Skip referring to Chris Bosh as Bosh Spice because of his ineffectiveness is what started it
@@mistersayles6699 no you are wrong
I’m glad it did 😂
@@mistersayles6699 I was talking about how defensive skip got and how it was clear he got his feelings hurt when someone brought up his greatness as a basketball player since he loves talking so much shit about professionals
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂too funny!!!
Jalen is a class act. I support every point he made.
are yall not watching what im watching lol this man jalen keeps interrupting also
Jalen's point is simple. Just report the facts based on what you see. But to call someone out their name is totally unprofessional.
And it’s wrong, if you are making millions of dollars the reports have fair game to give you names as long as it’s accurate and doesn’t involve their outside life
@@joegiants4219 How is it professional to call someone a name that isn't their given name? It is childish and pathetic. You can say that they aren't performing as well as they can but there are other factors that you have to consider. I don't care how much someone makes, it doesn't give you the right to make call them a name that you think is appropriate. It's crazy that people actually think name calling is ok. If we were in middle school and immature, I would agree with you but I assume most of us are adults. You can criticize someone without calling them a name, or maybe they lack the ability to keep it professional. Now, if a player is acting like a child, you can say they are acting like a child without calling them a child. It's not a difficult thing to understand or do.
Jason McClellan so how come people are advocating so much for name calling of athletes but it’s ok for Trump to name call his opponents and vice versa. You should be just offended by that but you aren’t
@@joegiants4219 That's a strange assumption. I don't like Trump, I have never liked Trump and I would never support him. It's very strange that you think someone is a Trump supporter based on one reply on TH-cam. How would you even could to that conclusion? People are strange, they like to feel better or more powerful by making fun of people.
Jason McClellan ever heard or the term “vice versa” you should look it up and reread what my message. I never said you liked Trump so please stop trying find something to get offended by
Skip FINALLY got a taste of his own medicine and his massive ego can't take it! 😂😂😂
Jalen goes for SAS's jugular with the "louder, more adverse" comment
I always liked jalen rose as a commentator. I have more respect for him now for telling the journalist that what they do is disrespectful and is not journalism.
All of this cause Skip got put in his place
No its cause a white man named skip went to cry to the executives that his feeling were hurt.
@@AntiSocail214TEXAS What does his race have to do with this?
He hurt white feelings, so we have to make sure to waste oodles of air time defending and wiping his butt, afterwards.
@@chrismathgenius exactly his race shouldn't be a issue
Yes I admit
What planet would fans trust media over players? GTFOH!!!
Jonathan Marable Earth
Eric Cunningham I’m sayin
@@ericcunningham9776 not in 2020s
I'd believe everything the late Joe Morgan, Harold Reynolds, and Peter Gammos reported......I will NEVER EVER compare them to SAS or Skip though.
Jalen is 100% right about this. Skip gets mad about Jalen calling him out about his high school career, but Skip continues to call Chris Bosh "Bosh Spice". Jalen didn't even lie about Skip high school stats hypocrisy.
Jrose is a complete idiot
Skip mad blacks makin more than is sorry ass did
Sorry Jalen is 100% WRONG
Jesse Oveson 100% right
These replies are dumb asfuuuu. The original comment is rite.
Jalen was talking directly to SAS & Skip when he said being loud trying to stand out
Stephen A. Smith is verbose. He clearly ad libs most of what he says. Jalen Rose wins this argument because his argument is simple. Respect people. That doesn't mean you can't criticize players, but a real journalist should maintain a professional tone. Skip and Smith don't always do that.
real talk
That's it
False Stephen A tones down when talking directly to players but Skip always has the same tone. I still agree with Stephen A though 100%
Jalen keeps changing the subject and not answering questions directly. He didn’t win any argument
@@keithwojciechowski3121 you're right about Jalen but he wins cuz Skip and Stephen A. are hypocrites. Jalen isn't as polished as those 2 so his examples are flaky but Stephen A. was changing the subject too. They lose cuz they're reporting is nothing more than barbershop talk. Stephen A. reporting sounds like gossiping and Skip opines on games that he saw on television
Stephen A and Skip B want to talk about everything except for the point that it is disrespectful to call a Man out of his name. The funny thing is that Jalen never disagreed with any of their points as they shifted away from the point to tell their stories in their futile attempts to justify their existence.
They both kept getting their feeling hurt and Jalen just sat there calmly and detroyed both of them.
Jalen Rose Is More Intelligent Than Skip & Stephen . . . . On This Matter of "Conduct"
Damm Jalen the man he made them look bad
Dude wtf no he didn't. He dodged Stephen A the whole time cause he thought he had a better shot at skip. Stephen A never said disrespecting players is right. He may do it but he doesn't agree with it. The only person that Jaylen could beat was skip because skip was directly being caught being a hypocrite about people getting their feelings hurt. And Jaylen made SURE to stay on that watered down topic that he already won instead of battling SAS. He even starts talking about shit skip had a problem with but SAS didnt. Jaylen didnt even no who FUCKING said wat he just wanted to argue the SAME point he kept making to skip. All these people saying jaylen won are just copying wat every comment are saying in these comments. But yall all are wrong. Jaylen didnt win and dodged SAS until SAS was frustrated. It was that bad. Smfh yall clones
Matt Clark u sound foolish n dumb for writing dat bullshit Harry Potter book u just wrote jalen won this argument easy u see he’s only one calm n collective not catching feelings Lyk sas skip n YOU lol
Fuck you Pay me that wasn’t funny unfunny ass nigga
Don’t do drugs
@@mattclark6465 He did.
Jalen is 100% right!!!
Jalen is 100Percent WRONG. These are professional athletes. Pros. Feelings hurt??? Chizo Bell go read the constitution .. we have a god damn red white and blue right to offend.. Jalen has a problem with social media now too???? He's a bitch.. A bitch with a 5th graders vocabulary and pronunciation skills
Agreed 👍🏾
@@sweetmusic846 How the hell is he wrong to ask that RESPECT is given when speaking on someone?? It doesn't matter how much the person makes, or the person questioning makes? The key word here is RESPECT!! All the other personal sh*t that you may feel, is just that..Personal sh*t, and when you start DISRESPECTING people, no matter what their profession, you NEED to be f*ckin' CHECKED, period.
@@sweetmusic846 Your wrong. Jalen is on point throughout this debate.
You owe the ATHLETES everything Stephen A. Without THEM, you would not be doing what you are doing
Exactly
True, but the reporters also keep the interest of a lot of fans, and without the fans, the athletes talents on the field have no value
@@anthonybabiasz2011 I don't know any sports fans who would rather listen to him than watch an actual game
That's the whole point
U sound like an idiot it’s an exchange not a one way street
this is the realest take ive ever seen. i wish first take/undisputed would talk about this topic more often
I'm sorry for those of you that didn't realize what really happened here. Jalen killed em. Jalen outsmarted them at every turn and he won period.
Christopher Hulsey given how many ppl liked ur comment i doubt theres to many nay sayers that dont agree with u to start with ..
Stephan A. Smith and Skip a
Bayless are both caricatures of themselves at this point. Skip like a sports Howard Stern. He just says anything to get a reaction.
Jalen is the people's champ. We love you and thank you for speaking truth.
*notice how reporters are offended...
“What’s right isn’t always popular. What’s popular isn’t always right.”
- Howard Cosell
They tried to line Jalen up lol.. they still didn't address any of his points. All this because skip got G-Checked smh lol. SAS mad because his points are falling short lmao 🤣... "waaaaaah!! Jalen won't listen.. its okay.. i'm done" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jalen Rose nailed Stephen A. Smith!
Beat SA at his own game. Checkmate!! He gave the people what they want! As an aside, any relation to the legendary cornetist King of New Orleans Ragtime Charles "Buddy" Bolden? Just curious?
@@seanswinton6242 yes he mentioned it on his show.
You people can say whatchu want but Jalen Rose is 100% correct in every aspect. He's saying that name calling and making fun is not an aspiration. They cross the line and epitomize what you shouldn't do on a global spectrum, which encourages the way people treat each other today. Watching Skip and Stephen A. Make me not want to pursue an athletic career at a professional level. Knowing that no matter what I do and what I prove they'll open up hate among all medias. Can't stand what they're saying, hypocritical and BLASPHEMY.
I completely agree. It's one thing to analyze , however what is going on now is straight bullying. The irony you can't say the F word or the N word but you can basically call somebody "soft" "weak" or "stink" without repercussions.If I don't like somebody's sexual practices that they choose to advertise , I'm homophobic and discriminatory, however if someone doesn't like the way an athlete plays, it' fair game.
What's really sad is that there is a market for such behavior,these people are just following the dollar,
feeding the beast.
Jalen IS right. It used to be if you cant do it better yourself, then dont criticize. It is not quite this way now. Nevertheless, analysts and show hosts should be allowed to matter-of-factly dissect an athlete's skills, but the moment they make it personal with name-calling and trash-talking, then they have crossed the line.
indeed. media as stars is how it is now days. example, I liked shows like the Tim mccarver show, where it was enjoyable without all the extra. news is like that with the hannitys and bill O'Reillys, trying to be "louder" than the next.
This is an excellent point. There is no respect for time and effort even the "worst" player on a team has put in to get to the pros. It's disrespectful and I don't like it. I love the NFL Network for this reason. If Deion Sanders says something critical he has every right to. Even in his critiquing, he is not rude or condescending.
SAS takes 20mins to make a point and goes on tangents and wonders why people get inpatient.
I side with Jalen overall in this matter. When it comes to name calling and things of the sort, it's unnecessary and unprofessional. Unfortunately what has happened is that in this 24/7-365 news cycle the story extends much further than between the lines of play. Skip stated that he decided to do studio because he felt his objectivity was being compromised by being ingratiated with the players. And that's fine. But you can't remove yourself from the players and then psychoanalyze them and judge their character on a daily basis as Skip does. And I like Skip, he's cool with me, but that's the truth. I have more respect for Stephen A because he at least is around a lot of the players he talks about on a more personal level. But what I never liked and was highlighted in this entire episode was the double standard that there is with athletes and media and fans. Anybody who has dedicated their life to any craft should have the accepted right to respond to any criticism they receive if they don't agree. At the least respond. But when an athlete responds the public (media/fans) counter with "You should be above that" "This is beneath you". Why? We're all people. Because a person makes money they don't have the right to respond without criticism? I don't get it. And I know some people may not care, but I thought Skip was ridiculously disrespectful to Chris Bosh. To have the audacity to say "I'll continue to call you Bosh Spice until you play up to your potential" had me dumbfounded. Utter disrespect. He came on the show, respectfully told him how it was disrespectful and offensive yet Skip pretty much "Fuck you, prove me wrong". IMO and the opinion of many, comparing a man to a woman, which Skip is doing when he says that, his a high offense amongst men. And in a professional realm, it's unacceptable because it puts Bosh in a lose/lose situation. It's not like Bosh can take care of him like they're on the streets. And Skip's smugness like he's some master or overseer above human decency in the matter was appalling. I thought we live in a world when something is offensive to someone and their family we discontinue to do that. But Skip in my opinion had that white supremacy come out with how he spoke to Bosh. "Listen Boy, I'ma call you what I want until I see fit to stop. F*** your feelings. I'll be the judge". But anyways, save the disrespect for the barbershop and around the way. That's not necessary for ESPN or any major sports outlet. If a player isn't playing up to their potential, that's an indictment on the AS WELL as the scouts and Front Offices that evaluated and paid these guys. Don't get mad when athletes get upset but the minute someone criticizes anything a media person does they get super defensive.
Right on.
But all players trash talk on the court. So basically it's ok for players to talk trash and stuff and it not get blown up. But not journalist ? Jalen did say that he was a trash talker, and I'm guessing that was for the 10 years or so he played in the league. I don't see the difference.
KCKickReviews way too long of an explanation.
Mr. Jamerson
Mr. Jamerson they’re not speaking on a media platform to the public. They’re in a competitive setting. Completely different. What happens on the court tends to stay on the court
JALEN IS GOOD HEART. SKIP IS SENSITIVE
More sensitive to what others say to him than what he says which is the job
Whats your dude rodman saying about this tho?
If emperor Kim is calling you sensitive, there's something there
Jalen OWNED skip & stephen a.
I think Jalen's point overall point was that the line between journalism and the TMZ like stuff that ESPN does has blurred. Some of the personalities in all forms of media are trying to be like the celebrities that they cover, yet want to be respected as serious journalists. The more attention they bring to themselves, the more it helps their brands. The media covers for their peers but will come down on a former athlete that they perceive as doing the same.
Skip is such a drama queen. "Near-death experiences" Really?!!
Yee
I didn't see Skip in The Last Dance Docu Series, but he was in every locker room, game etc
Even if he was mf was important he was reporting to the players mfs wasn’t looking to go to him
Having a debate with Stephen A. Smith is like trying to trying to fight a boulder.
Yeah it would seem that way, debating when you're obviously wrong probably would be a tough task.
Jalen rite
A loud Boulder lol
Watching in 2019.My point is this: in this life, there are a few people who can do something out of ordinary - and many more others who talk about it and make a living out of this talking. An old proverb - the dogs barks while the caravan is passing by. Love the arguments and the composure of Jalen Rose.
3:33 still true till this day.... SAS and skip are still doing this lmao
Still to this Day!! Now they got few other platforms to continue this Trend. Now it their Bread & Butter. The culture of TV NOW Social Media.
I think Skip wanted Jalen to publicly apologize to him on the air, live on television and Jalen wasn’t having it, he stuck to his guns and stuck to his opinion and because of that Jalen was never invented back on the show
Bravo Jalen !!!!
Skip missed every point based on a mindset that leads him to believe that his double standard is okay.
Jalen is right
nah
@11:55 skip makes an extremely profound point without even realizing it. thats the problem with news especially when it comes to politics. people want access so they go soft sometimes theres an incentive to not criticize. .
kefkapalazzo1 Jalen had already made that point
From the time Stephen A started talking on this segment (pt5 of 5) up to the 335 mark, is probably some of the best talking he's EVER done. It wasn't rehearsed or thought about a couple of hours or days before the broadcast. This was said right off the top of his head, and quite frankly, it was not only brilliant, but 100% spot on. One of the points I agree with most is, in a discussion with an analyst who's never played and an athlete turned analyst, especially an athlete that's relatively new, I'm going to trust the analyst knowing there's no bias involved.
Jalen Rose us 100% right. Criticize the players game, not his manhood or character. Disrespect to a persons life is not what the report is supposed to be about. Media its reality TV now. If they report Bosh played soft, why not say Jason Collins played gay??? Its not inaccurate
SAS never called Shawn Bradley, Adam Morrison , Brian Scalabrine a bust
No Sir because management is not having that. His Zaddy won’t allow that !
So true
Tbf Brian wasn't picked high so he shouldn't be on this list but I agree with the other 2 . Don't forget Darko and jimmer either
Rasho Nesterovic and Sledvenko are white players he would make fun of all time. If anything he race baits too often against white people.
Jalen Rose's right, anyone can be a journalist not everyone can be a professional athlete
Absolutely!
This is why it is written in the contracts of athletes to deal with the media. They would not if they had a choice.
Exactly! Look at what's going on with Kyrie Irving as well as Naomi Osaka. The originator of screw the media is Marshawn Lynch. The media has been on b.s. but in recent years, people are finally beginning to see it!
Manchester City vs West Broom , the headline in the beginning, I will never forget that match
Stephen A sure loves the word "plethora"...
6 years later and still Jalen Rose is right!
9 years later... Jalen still right
10 years later…. Lol
Skip, called out stephen a smith for being friendly, the whole show Stephen A Smith was trying to take up for Skip Bayless.
Steven a Smith thinks he has an obligation to insult or belittle t h y athlete performance
Clown couldn't hear about the difference in building up the sport vs tearing down players to entertain and pump your own brand.
Jalen won this debate hands down!
sas you don't have a show with out the athletes
Jalen’s point isn’t what everyone else on the show sloppily interpreted it to be. He is making too fine of a distinction that the others can’t make. The use of qualifying negative names (“name callling”) is beyond their professional. A person can have an epically terrible game, but to call them “trash” in a general sense is a a problem. It’s a hair away from saying “they played like trash” but the Skips and Stepehen As run their mouths so loudly and constantly they don’t ever see it. Calling the player trash in a general sense requires far more than the observations they just made, and beyond that it’s them just letting their lips flop
I was to write a comment but Jalen has covered everything.
Overall, it's about the sport guys. Reporters should stop trying to sell themselves imo.
These were the golden days of first take. Love these clips
If you ask the viewing public who they trust? They would trust us before the athletes. -Stephen A (pre mama's cooking)
All Love? Jalen wasn't invited back until Skip Left. Also hasn't been brought on All the Smoke either? 🤔 He definitely not now. Like Jalen said, it aged well for him. ✊🏾
Jalen brings more perspective and value than those other 3 goofs combined
This was the best Debate I never saw live . I truly side with the Journalist . This is also entertainment for me just like the game. In this media age with the internet I watch more sports shows than actual games.
I'll sum up Jalen Rose's argument and it 's "Do as i say, not as i do."
Fun Fact: Journalism and sensationalism used to be two different things
If they were to be honest about it Skippy and Stephen are there for personalities much more so than their sports knowledge. ESPN knew that a loud and extra Stephen A. and overly critical Skippy would sell. Because when you really listen to either of them analyze any game they sound like a casual fan.
Jalen swallowed all of them without even having to tell lol wow!!
Everything Jalen is saying is completely true, Stephen A Smith is the most ignorant disrespectful reporter there is and im glad someone called him out on it, he thinks he can say whatever he wants about anyone because the camera is protecting him I can guarantee he wouldnt take this tone on this street with these athletes because he would get hurt
This is when sports became more about drama and less about the actual game
Skip has a false perception about reality.
Whenever he interviews any athlete following a challenge all it does is validate him irrespective of what was even said!
Those are some crazy looking ☁s in SAS's background
Skiuup was oned over and over again! Imagine him getting hurt when Jalen asked him about his HS BB career. But he do it pretty much 24/7 specially with LeBRON.
Skip Bayless, and Stephen A. Smith gets paid to be a jerk, That's how the show gain their rating so they can careless as long as the get paid it won't matter to them Jalen Rose is an honest person who doesn't want to hurt nobody....
Jalen Rose was real everything he said on this part of this show was valid
Jalen is amazing because he keeps it real, and played well at the highest level, these others can't say that.
Jalen jus spoke facts...some reporters help advance the sport some take away from the sport(skip,Steven a)
Keep holding your own Jalen don't let them over talk you.
JALEN ROSE IS SENSITIVE AS FUCK......
"Gotta give the people what they want"!! So this is where Jalen gets it from.....
2:30 Did Stephen A. say that you have to have a car in your radio? How does that work? lol
Solve this problem by doing your job honestly without bias personal.playera play writters write.
"Near death experience???" Sure bud
You gotta catch Stephens face when Skip says it...
"everyone with a tongue, a t.v., or a phone is a reporter regardless if they get paid for it or not".-Jalen
Notice, like politicians, are offended instantly when you point out how pointless they are.
They owe their job to the game and the players... Those screaming and ranting Stephen and Skip are just puppets of the public. Populism is the first word that comes to mind. Gues a large part of people in the States find this amusing and rather be amused than to be informed. Name calling is disrespectfull and they are bad rolemodels. I wouldn't want to watch and listen to these arogant loudmouths and am amazed that they get the platform and ratings they do.
jalen rose isn't being stupid he just wears his heart on his sleeve when it comes to basketball look at his eyes you can tell how he's affected on a personal level he's just trying to control himself and retain some professionalism unlike the other 2
Stephen A. Is wrong , I would trust an athlete before a journalist due to the fact athletes play the game and experience injuries @ the same time ⏲️. Stephen A. Only talks about what he hears not what he sees.
Like someone once said Kill my game, but don't Kill my name
Stephen A is dramatic, emotional, disrespectful and hypocritical on many levels
Jalen Rose is low key so clever. Watching this back I realized that every time Skip accuses Jalen of saying Skip doesn't know what he's talking about be he didn't play (which Jalen never said), Jalen always claps back with "| never said that. Plenty of women do a great job reporting on men's pro sports". This statement is basically intimating two things: 1. Skip is of the same importance to men's pro sports as women reporters are. And 2. Skip has the same knowledge and influence as a reporter does, which is insulting Skip's qualifications and credibility since Skip views himself as an analyst. You could tell every time Jalen clapped back with that statement, another little piece of Skip died inside. Jalen ripped this man's heart out back to back nights on live TV. What a legend.
Jalen was clear for anyone saying he wasn't. He was on point!
This was a great moment in sports analysis and reporting...very necessary, but unfortunately it didn't change much among the talking heads in the field...the argument was simple, report what you see and leave the personal slander out of it...respect to Jalen for holding firm in his position
valid points by both side but when an athlete makes as much money as they do, people are going to be overly critical. I think jalen is being a little sensitive. You grew up in detroit jalen, you were called a lot worse before you were getting paid. They make millions of dollars by playing sports, I think they can handle criticisms
they should be able to take criticism, Jalen has gone soft. "talking from a players perspective" stfu.
That Don’t mean they deserve to be disrespected so stfu
The machine knows how to clean an image it makes money through. But Mr rose is a very different asset. Revolutionary person. They have a potential great leader confined to the rhealm of games
the clouds never moved...
All because Skip got checked, exposed, put on front street....he doesn't like IT
Give the PEOPLEEEEEEEE!!!!! What they Waaaaaant
They can only dish it out. Skip doesn't realize he agrees with Jalen a lot and then says something incredibly stupid.
you see, its business. stephen a was correct, his audience is the public. if they didnt have this argument. u think us as the audience would pay so much attention to this????? its all marketing. when ur playing decent. nobody cares, but when u play like a scrub. they call u out. nicknames are part of the marketing. sadly, the public likes it!!!!!!!dont u see Jay was talking the twitter world is paying attention???
I agree with all of jalens points except for when he says that anyone with a phone is a reporter. Yes print media is basically dead but being a reporter (at least a good reporter) requires you to articulate yourself and be quick thinking at the same time while being able to ask good questions which is something that most people cant do.
Dude hurt skips feelings and for that, he was fired or whatever you want to call it.
but he got Molly
Edward Robinson dummy he work for Espn
@@heygringo7 molly isn’t a prize tho
@@omensoffate yeah her face looks like it was cosmetically altered lately
When Jalen pointed out the the use of " Bosh Spice" is a negative use of the Bosh lineage...made me reflect on the reaction my 8 brothers would have had and how Skip would have had to take medical leave..."Bosh Spice " leads to another level of names ..then another...
jalen rose is correct anybody can be a reporter if u have a camera, paper, computer an audience that they r targeting also things hav changed sas.