LAYER 8: FRAUD THEORIES | ULTRAKILL

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  • @SirGronfleton
    @SirGronfleton  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +764

    PLEASE DON'T THINK I'M BEING IMPATIENT IN THIS VID, HAKITA CAN WORK ON FRAUD AT WHATEVER PACE HE WANTS TO! I KNOW GAME DEVELOPMENT IS HARD!
    you think Hakita's gonna be insane enough to put Non-Euclidean spaces in Fraud???
    EDIT - Tbh I think Gabriel is actually probably going to be the final boss of Layer 9, I was going down the Dante's Inferno route without taking in to consideration Hakita's artistic liberties.
    Black Gabriel is real

    • @SirAbdulTheFirst
      @SirAbdulTheFirst 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      damn das crazy

    • @hmmmm34565
      @hmmmm34565 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Its Go insane pokki slop

    • @rubidiummc
      @rubidiummc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      yes he's insane already, wouldn't be surprised

    • @Vetrical
      @Vetrical 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That'd be cool as

    • @aggelosaggelos5696
      @aggelosaggelos5696 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      i remember seeing hakita saying we wont fight satan or god

  • @rekammm
    @rekammm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1858

    I think that 7-S is gonna be a washing simulator

    • @nudlee1219
      @nudlee1219 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

      Like power washer simulator, but instead of washing dirt off random objects, you clean off the blood you put on the walls on the maps in layer 7

    • @Stoopid0708
      @Stoopid0708 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      Nah
      Tower defense

    • @unknown_tomato7201
      @unknown_tomato7201 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      Instead of washing you paint the world red

    • @torpid5092
      @torpid5092 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      “Paint the world red-“
      NUH UH

    • @lml55
      @lml55 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      7-S could be a battleship simulator, with it being in an ocean of blood
      And the final boss of the battleship segment being a "Frog???"

  • @sohaaibahmad3787
    @sohaaibahmad3787 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1636

    I'm scared of what people would do with Gabriel's arm...

    • @VTubershostage
      @VTubershostage 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

      Huh?????

    • @SirGronfleton
      @SirGronfleton  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +231

      suspicious

    • @sohaaibahmad3787
      @sohaaibahmad3787 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +196

      ppl gonna put the gay in gaybriel fr

    • @HankJWimbIeton
      @HankJWimbIeton 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      masquerade divinity time!!!

    • @Harry_The_Potato
      @Harry_The_Potato 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@sohaaibahmad3787You are going to be the most gay

  • @ArceTheTroll
    @ArceTheTroll 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +787

    gabriel is obviously gonna be treachery boss, hyping his big arc up just for him to be a regular layer boss and having the final boss be a random ass strong enemy would ruin his arc and the game finale tbh

    • @SirGronfleton
      @SirGronfleton  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

      but like... Satan tho

    • @hagridisbeautiful1781
      @hagridisbeautiful1781 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +321

      @@SirGronfleton I’m pretty sure Hakita said that having Lucifer as the final boss was really cheesy, I saw another theory that maybe his corpse would be in Treachery and Gabriel killed him so his title as the final boss would be “Gabriel, Fallen Angel”

    • @HarrisonMonz
      @HarrisonMonz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

      @@SirGronfleton no, also did you heart your own comment?

    • @KorinIta
      @KorinIta 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      @@hagridisbeautiful1781maybe Satan is guarding the traitors level, or perhaps he just escaped his prison. Or better yet, Satan is outside of the traitors level because he is trying to escape Gabriel.

    • @ArceTheTroll
      @ArceTheTroll 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@SirGronfleton loud incorrect buzzer

  • @Gangstablook
    @Gangstablook 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +184

    Plot twist: He's listing everything he doesn't want to see because Hakita will watch this and do the exact opposite

  • @theburntpan
    @theburntpan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +304

    7-S is gonna be mario party because of the violence it does to friendships

    • @Adelicousbottleosyrup
      @Adelicousbottleosyrup 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Nah it’ll be Sorry! The game And it’s V1, V2, and Mirage (2-S) all playing mercilessly and if you somehow win, you gain an achievement called ‘no friends’

    • @coolman5268
      @coolman5268 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      after the update, its just about the violence it does to my carpet

    • @MarioDaPleyer
      @MarioDaPleyer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@coolman5268 TRUE

    • @JiuSee
      @JiuSee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Somehow tho some youtuber played 7-S and it was a cleaning simulator after killing a bunch of enemies....

    • @maxleavitt8199
      @maxleavitt8199 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that wasn't even too far off

  • @sauleline
    @sauleline 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +680

    bro was not cooking with this one. gabe is 100% gonna be in treachery. like. that's what he did. "Willful betrayal of fidelity, confidence, or trust; perfidy." thats what he did. like almost word for word.

    • @SirGronfleton
      @SirGronfleton  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

      ay I mean just my thoughts, they've changed now thanks to the comments section, but I posted this to see what everyone was else was thinking about the new layer

    • @shrekiscool4743
      @shrekiscool4743 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Yeah Gabe is definitely in treachery, I mean he was the final main boss of acts 1 and 2, would only make sense for him to be the final one for act 3

    • @sandrahughes4117
      @sandrahughes4117 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I feel like satan would rather appear as hell itself (Which in the lore is a super massive organism) so maybe he basically became hell

    • @mr.dosntknowalot7118
      @mr.dosntknowalot7118 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Satan could still work as a p-3 boss

    • @therobotfish6715
      @therobotfish6715 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@mr.dosntknowalot7118 Hakita had said that there is no Devil in Ultrakill.

  • @MandarkVonShadd
    @MandarkVonShadd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +608

    Personally, I believe that gabriel will be at the 9-2. He is the protagonist of the story, it would've been a waste of the character to NOT make him a final boss.

    • @zebefreod871
      @zebefreod871 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

      Also ultrakill took inspiration from dmc3, where vergil was the final boss.
      For what we know 9-2 could be a two part boss fight: you fighting satan alongside Gabriel and then a last showdown with the angel.

    • @BenBen-wo6bq
      @BenBen-wo6bq 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@zebefreod871 i feel like satan would more fit p-3

    • @lenny9989
      @lenny9989 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      @@zebefreod871 Hakita stated from what I know multiple times about us fighting Satan/Lucifer: He thinks it's cliché so he wont do it. Something around these lines.

    • @Gnegich
      @Gnegich 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If gabriel will be final it would've been a waste of game

    • @Geothefrog5678
      @Geothefrog5678 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      and also the fact that he's been the boss of each final layer.

  • @ILYASS21
    @ILYASS21 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    "try hitting an enemy in this sort of space" the spare change in my pocket:

  • @aCreativeNamee
    @aCreativeNamee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    7-S being “the canvas is yours, so take the brush AND PAINT THE WALLS RED, just clean it up before you leave tho” is funny as fuck

    • @HOLYWAROVNA
      @HOLYWAROVNA 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      DUDE

  • @lostforwar5619
    @lostforwar5619 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    1:14 hakita said no form of satan or god will be seen in the game

  • @Amir-ui2xx
    @Amir-ui2xx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +216

    For 7-S, your idea is cool but unfortunately hakita said that making secret levels with completely different mechanics than the regular game (like 4-S) takes too much time so they're ditching that idea

    • @Adelicousbottleosyrup
      @Adelicousbottleosyrup 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      2-S

    • @Ricostudios27
      @Ricostudios27 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      4-S

    • @BVSSIC
      @BVSSIC 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I kinda doubt that lmao

    • @EPSILON-35
      @EPSILON-35 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      7-S full release is literally power wash sim

    • @ruski77
      @ruski77 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      jokes on you they literally redid the entire gore system just to make 7-S lmao

  • @brainfackaz2842
    @brainfackaz2842 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    5:15 THE PART WHERE HE KILLS YOU

    • @Just_the_Cube
      @Just_the_Cube 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Wheatly 💀

    • @Goose88
      @Goose88 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      chapter 9: the part where he kills you
      "hello! this is the part where i kill you!"
      "this is the part where he kills us"
      song: the part where he kills you

  • @EmberOldAccount
    @EmberOldAccount 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I had a terrible idea for an enemy that could be in fraud: Basically, a shape-shapeshifter. How it would work is it would start out as an approximation of a mannequin, but every once in a while ot would change form into a different enemy, inheriting that enemy's attacks, move set, and enrage thing (like if a cerberus died while one of these guys was out, they'd enrage upon becoming a cerberus).
    As for the appearance of this enemy, it would be an inky blob in the shape of whatever enemy it's currently mimicking, but with those weird theater masks but black and gold.

  • @JDB363
    @JDB363 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    I think that 7-s is gonna be a level that plays like the original doom because of how violent that game is and ultrakills inspirations

  • @the_egg_
    @the_egg_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +257

    the egg's list of things that should be in fraud:
    1. Tax evasion
    2.
    3.
    thank you for readin

    • @MarioDaPleyer
      @MarioDaPleyer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Enemies that steal your points :fear:

    • @killerdabmaster
      @killerdabmaster 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@MarioDaPleyer epoc emogi fail!!! :skull:

    • @the_egg_
      @the_egg_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@killerdabmaster the egg is going to die you

    • @sirtopoftheworldegg
      @sirtopoftheworldegg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      my brother in christ, we dont do tax evasion

    • @the_egg_
      @the_egg_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@sirtopoftheworldegg wrong.

  • @abrupta
    @abrupta 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Hakita confirmed that not satan nor god are going to be the final bosses if I rember correctly

  • @RandomWackyGinger
    @RandomWackyGinger 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    I jokingly thought to myself that 7-S would just be fnaf, due to some of the secret levels being references to games, also you bring up some good points about this layer.

    • @1000-THR
      @1000-THR 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      that would add another secret level to the list of those im too scared to play

    • @vreikezen8268
      @vreikezen8268 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@1000-THRSo….. every single secret level. (Except 5-S, everyone loves 5-S)

  • @Soul-bflol
    @Soul-bflol 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    0:10 FRAUD: GABRIEL, BUT *BLACK*

    • @joeypaulzine3769
      @joeypaulzine3769 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      OH NO HE CAN SAY THE N WORD NOW

    • @Binaraties
      @Binaraties 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      BBC

    • @thewall4069
      @thewall4069 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      MACHINE, I CAN SAY THE N WORD NOW

    • @DA2461-pt5ql
      @DA2461-pt5ql 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Binaraties
      dont worry, guys!
      he's referring to the British Broadcast Corporation.

    • @DA2461-pt5ql
      @DA2461-pt5ql 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gabe wit da Vape

  • @0necraftyninja256
    @0necraftyninja256 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    oh no. The secret level could just be the backrooms.

    • @gloro8233
      @gloro8233 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      don't give them idea

    • @EPSILON-35
      @EPSILON-35 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      0-S

    • @1Giorno_1cup
      @1Giorno_1cup 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no no even worse. Imperfect love song part 2 but its gabriel

    • @polska_polen0
      @polska_polen0 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@1Giorno_1cupdear god

  • @EMan-xj5cz
    @EMan-xj5cz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    1:16 I feel like if that’s how ultrakill ends it’ll just be super anticlimactic it needs to be hell or Gabriel otherwise it won’t work

    • @amog8202
      @amog8202 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Gabriel killed the council, so he kinda belongs there. I think he could end up believing Minos is right, after opposing the unjust council puts him in eternal torture

    • @Beowolf-jy5rc
      @Beowolf-jy5rc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it'll probably be both, because that sort of thing happened in D.M.C 3, with it being Arkham and then Vergil,
      D.M.C is probably more important as an inspiration than ether doom or quake.

  • @mrhumanfry5996
    @mrhumanfry5996 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    Hakita would probably hype up Satan throughout the entirety of treachery, and then he's either too easy or instantly defeated by Gabriel, of which the actual boss fight with him begins.

    • @aethonmarineTD
      @aethonmarineTD 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      imagine its his fucking rotting corpse

  • @torex3159
    @torex3159 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    just imagine the yellow arm is midas's touch, it would be kinda sick turning maurice into gold

  • @Jack-kz4nb
    @Jack-kz4nb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    those are some good predictions. lets see if hakita surprises the world with this.

  • @sobek6735
    @sobek6735 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I think with utter certainty that Gabe will be the final boss. I think satan will appear, but I think he will be almost a background detail in goes fight. Like while you fight Gabriel, satans three headed body is just breathing laboredly.

    • @pixel9403
      @pixel9403 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i think lucifer would be the boss in p-3. it'd make most sense.

    • @Volcano22207
      @Volcano22207 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@pixel9403 hikida said he wouldn’t be in the game at all

    • @WestGarbage6
      @WestGarbage6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@pixel9403 It would be cool, especially with the lore including him some bit already, but I doubt it'll be Lucifer, because A. He's not greek, and B. He's not a human, which completely breaks the established pattern for prime souls.
      Most people predict somebody like Daedalus or Odysseus to be the third and final prime soul, which I find much more likely.

  • @SumMfGoober
    @SumMfGoober 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Not me thinking this was from hakita and fraud actually fucking dropped 😭

    • @cam19man2
      @cam19man2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Bro got deceived 💀

    • @liverlungsskeletualstructuresp
      @liverlungsskeletualstructuresp 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro literally got deceived in a video about a layer that deceives people WILD 💀💀💀

    • @ArcticCN
      @ArcticCN 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      next week hopefully

    • @2D_Emerald
      @2D_Emerald 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@ArcticCN did you expect them to release a whole layer only a few months after the latest one?

    • @ArcticCN
      @ArcticCN 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@2D_Emerald i didn't really think so but i was really hoping for it

  • @boxcellentYT
    @boxcellentYT หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think the yellow arm being Gabriel's sword makes sense, but I would take it up a notch and say that it is going to be a sort of Devil Trigger, even. Maybe some sort of temporary power-up that can be used either to get out of very sticky situation or make a situation even stickier. High Risk High Reward kind of thing, to help worse players out and give good players even more options to do whacky shit.

  • @GOOF2011
    @GOOF2011 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    3:32
    Corpse of king minos, leviathan, and the earthmover: are we jokes to you?

  • @visquit_
    @visquit_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I don't have many idea's on what the actual levels will be like but I do have a few lore theories, and how they connect to Act 3's themes as a whole. In the Ultrakill lore theres 3 main "factions"; humanity, heaven and hell and I think each layer of act 3 is going to explore each faction in its lore and themes. Violence was all about humanity, giving us a heap of lore on the Final War and showing us what humanity was capable off with the Earthmovers.
    In the same regard I think that Fraud and Trechary are going to explore Heaven and Hell respectively. Fraud fits Heaven pretty well with how the concil have decieved the population of Heaven (Act 2 epilouge). I think we'll get some more Angel class enemies since the only ones we have right now are virtues and well... Gabriel. Maybe the boss of 8-4 will be an angel guarding the lowest layer of hell, probably not gabriel tho. Something else to think about with Fraud is 8-S will contain the final testament.
    The climax layers of each act are pretty light on lore outside of their prime sanctums but Treachery is going to be about Hell. As in Hell the living breathing entity. The "character" of "Hell" has been aluded to a few times now, most notably in the P-2 arg but also the "red text" that appears in a few levels (P-2 door, 7-4 book) has been speculated to be "Hell" speaking. 9-2 is almost certainly going to be Gabriel, he is the protagonist of the story and ending it with fighting him seems only right.
    As for P-3 we don't have a name dropped prime soul candidate as of yet but something to note is the censored name in the Minotaur's terminal entry. It has enough characters to fit something like King -something- (nimrod?) but the theory I subscribe to is that it actually spells out "Hell Itself". I like this theory because the way this censored character is characterised in the terminal entry ("Though its creator considered it beautiful, a personalized monument of death and despair") feels very inline with how "Hell" was characterised in the P-2 arg:
    "hell is alive. it breathes. it thinks. the entire area is a massive intelligent superorganism and it is harsh and it is cruel."
    "this is not an attack. this is not a defence. this is entertainment. this is an exhibition of death and cruelty and suffering for its own sake."
    The true final boss of ultrakill could be Hell Itself... maybe idk I'm not Hakita i'm just insane.
    Anyway sorry for rambling Ultrakill takes up a dangerously large part of my brain and I need to word vomit sometimes lmao.

    • @WestGarbage6
      @WestGarbage6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the theory of hell is cool, but realistically I don't think V1 can beat it, and I think that the third prime soul candidate is much more likely to be Daedalus.
      The censored name in the Minotaur Entry reads in the passage stating "The Minotaur, one of the oldest known surviving demons, was sculpted by (BLANK) as a gift for the then judge of hell King Minos," in Greek Mythology, when Minos refused to sacrifice the bull Poseidon gifted him, Poseidon cursed his wife to fall in love with it, and so Daedalus helped Minos to create a wooden bull, which resulted in the creation of the minotaur, the similarity in these two scenarios, along with the fact that for the prime soul to have created the Minotaur it would have to be an inventor of some sort, it's incredibly likely Daedalus will be the third prime soul.

  • @APOSTATE_DEPRIVED
    @APOSTATE_DEPRIVED 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i have two predictions:
    1. there will be a ton of swordsmachines in frauds because they're yellow and they're copycats- or, FRAUDS
    2. yellow arm would then likely be from swordsmachine, maybe OG swords
    also i doubt hakita would put literally the MAIN CHARACTER of the game as the boss of fraud, and it would ruin the pattern of being at every last level of every last layer
    i suspect Lucifer is going to be killed by gabriel as we enter the arena or something, or we 1. fight both of them at the same time 2. fight lucifer alongside gabriel, or 3. fight gabriel alongside lucifer

  • @and3ro
    @and3ro 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    7-S could maybe be a flashback mission where you can play as a early v1 model, roaming through destroyed cities.

  • @complicateddumpsterfire6618
    @complicateddumpsterfire6618 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Also from the pattern of Minos being associated with the lust layer and Sisyphus being associated with greed (both in the second layers of their acts), the boss for P-3 is likely going to be heavily associated and hinted at in the fraud layer

    • @the_actual_alex
      @the_actual_alex 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ? sisyphus was in the first layer of act 2.

  • @Maurice23901
    @Maurice23901 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    5:18 this is the part where he kills us

    • @explosion-1018
      @explosion-1018 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also noticed that lol

  • @stenerquesten7249
    @stenerquesten7249 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I think 7-S will be a reference to 90's doom also that thing about the giants is interesting imagine just getting to the end of the layer just to fight 5 boss's at once (maybe with their own style of fraud), but most likely gonna be a miniboss or something like that

  • @DrillThrill
    @DrillThrill 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The golden arm is most likely from gabriel at the final fight in 9-2 so that the player gets more incentive to replay the campaign and especially the prime souls

  • @palext.t078
    @palext.t078 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hakita just released a video of a Saw shotgun and at the final minute saying that he'll see if the thing releases the next week or not... hakita goat fr

  • @MegamanNick
    @MegamanNick 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    At first I imagined the fraud layer to look like a large metropolis with ads, posters, casinos and the like all over the place, but then you brought up the non Euclidean spaces part and honestly? Im convinced.
    Hakita did say he read House of Leaves before, so that’s probably another indication of what to expect.

    • @TortillaPizzeria
      @TortillaPizzeria 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Damn I had the exact same idea for Fraud, especially a Noir-type metropolis.

  • @StickBreightley
    @StickBreightley 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    There’s a lot to disagree with here:
    Satan appearing as a boss, let alone the final boss, is a terrible concept no matter how you look at it. There is exactly one mention (if you can even call it that) of him in the game as of now and it’s part of a mindless insult Gabriel throws at you during 3-1. There’s mention of Lucifer in 5-S, sure, but there’s nothing alluding to the possibility that Lucifer IS the devil in this game’s universe. Even if you want to make that connection between the two anyway just because it’s accurate to Christianity/Divine Comedy, that doesn’t justify him showing up to be the final boss. If this were to happen as you’re suggesting, all buildup to Satan as a character would have to take place either throughout Fraud, which would distract from your proposed Act 3 Gabriel fight, or it would have to take place entirely in 9-1, and one level could not possibly hold enough buildup to properly introduce a new main character, let alone one as important as the final boss. Furthermore, Gabriel is LITERALLY THE PROTAGONIST OF THE STORY. Obviously he is going to be what closes out the main game, and not an 11th hour reveal villain that went unmentioned for at MINIMUM 70% of the story.
    “You can’t just give the player a new weapon and have no future levels to use that weapon in.”
    Objectively not true. Action games, especially titles like Devil May Cry that directly inspired a lot of ULTRAKILL’s core design philosophy, have been giving players New Game+ only weapons as rewards for full completion for decades. ULTRAKILL itself is designed around replayability and weapon experimentation, so giving the player one last weapon to take back with them to earlier levels isn’t that far fetched. And if you really want to be stubborn about this and disregard its clear intent for you to replay it, there’s still P-3. You need to P Rank every level in an act to unlock its respective Prime Sanctum, so P-3 would have to come after the player gets the yellow arm regardless of what level they obtain it in.
    There’s absolutely no reason for the official game to use fan created content as inspiration for itself. It’s one thing to say that you like and agree with other fans’ ideas and concepts but to go so far as to say that they should become a part of the official game is going way too far. Hakita has been vocal before about how he doesn’t care about the game maintaining a 100% bulletproof canonical series of events because he believes everyone should be able to form their own interpretations about a piece of art. To say “I like this interpretation so the official product should be like it” is effectively a way of disregarding any other possible interpretations which not only discredits the creativity of the developers, but also sets up false expectations which can ultimately conflict with your thoughts on the final product. For the record, I don’t think illusion-based enemies or a black and gold aesthetic are entirely out of the question or even generally bad ideas, but to say that they’re likely to happen because they were used in a fan work is a terrible line of reasoning.
    Utilizing non-euclidean space in the layer right after 7-1 would just be redundant. That entire level’s shtick is being hard to navigate and messing with your perception, doing it a second time, let alone so soon after that one, wouldn’t have as strong of an effect.
    Arguing with your 7-S predictions might be pointless now that 7-S is out but we still have 8-S to look forward to so I still think it’s worth saying for any future speculation: It’s very unlikely we’ll see any gameplay styles that are drastically different from the normal FPS gameplay. 2-S was just text, which any competently made game can display just fine, and 4-S was a rare exception that was incredibly difficult for them to add. At most we can probably only expect a 5-S or 7-S situation where the gameplay remains the same but we’re provided with some kind of tool that lets us do something new. As much as I also wanted a fighting game level there’s just no way of anything like that happening.

    • @okeirany7652
      @okeirany7652 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The description of non-Euclidian space in the video is also incorrect- non-Euclidian geometry isn't actually mind-bending, it's just geometry on a sphere, i.e the geometry that we all live with. Lovecraft only described it as such because he didn't understand any advanced math.

    • @Marcos_cafe_e_panquecas
      @Marcos_cafe_e_panquecas 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey man I just saw your comment about Layer 8: Fraud and Layer 9: Treachery in Grunf's videos
      You're really good at the answers, I just REALLY wanted to know what you think about having levels in Heaven in Ultrakill, it's an idea that I really like, but I have a lot of doubts about whether it is appropriate to be in the game.
      Oh and what do you think about 8-S being a turn-based game?

    • @Marcos_cafe_e_panquecas
      @Marcos_cafe_e_panquecas 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @okeirany7652 Very interesting!

  • @javok1767
    @javok1767 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    7:22
    Gronf: Perhaps 7-S is an ULTRAKILL FIGHTING?
    Me: Hmm, I hope so. That sounds interes-
    Hakita literally this pucking instant: lmao, kalm librarbi

  • @Thyends
    @Thyends 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I mean, we havent got an update because hakita is now sticking fucking saws on shotguns.

  • @thecoolbaton8393
    @thecoolbaton8393 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I HIGHLY doubt that that Gabriel will be the final boss in Fraud. As of right now, Gabriel is the most important character in the story, and he is what's driving the story forward. I could even go so far as to say that the story of Ultrakill revolves around Gabriel's story more than V1's. To kill him in Fraud would leave the Treachery layer with much less story drive, and to put it lightly, would certainly leave many fans with a sour taste in their mouths. I do really like your idea for non euclidean spaces. You totally cooked with this one.

  • @macron8955
    @macron8955 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I hope Gabriel is the final boss rather in treachery. Would make for a better ending

  • @redguydhmis
    @redguydhmis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It would be cool if the green arm was a grappling hook, I can't wait for greed to come our

  • @user-fr4hg8md5p
    @user-fr4hg8md5p 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I personally think p-3 will give yellow arm and have v2 prime because
    - flesh panopticon is supposed to be “the strongest prison” so the 3rd one would probably be unimprisoned since otherwise it would be underwelhming
    Meaning they wouldn’t have been killed a long time ago
    - v2 was set up in a way like a “rival” and in a way where he would return
    -the other arms came from v2 and it looks like a robot arm not an angel one
    - A machine would make some sense since most of the normal layers are being wiped out and we haven’t seen even 1 mention of Sombody for prime soul 3 like Sisyphus was so it might be a reoccurring character
    The only flaw with this is that most of this can be said with Gabriel too but I don’t think it’s Gabriel since you would have just fought him and I don’t know if prime souls regenerate that fast and v2 is a machine

  • @Strange_Traveller
    @Strange_Traveller 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    From what I see, the layer is golden. From what I can perceive is that the P-3 will be Midas, since the last two Prime bosses stem from Greek mythology.
    And hear me out, since most of the soundtrack for fraud has something with fools, I can imagine Midas since he was a fool for agreeing that everything he touched became gold.

    • @OST-jp4cc
      @OST-jp4cc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean “from what you can see”? Are you talking about the fan content of custom levels?
      It’s not going to be Midas because his story was about Greed, not Fraud. People remember him for his Greed.

  • @Iamgoodatnames
    @Iamgoodatnames 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    I have a theory that god was killed, and his arm cut off. That arm was stolen, and hidden in fraud. The godfist, which would be so fucking cool, and would make sense for the act name. No idea what the godfist would do but it would be epic.

    • @AT0Ml3
      @AT0Ml3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      This is such a fire fucking idea holy shit im adopting this as my idea now

    • @Iamgoodatnames
      @Iamgoodatnames 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@AT0Ml3 it is? Thanks!

    • @vreikezen8268
      @vreikezen8268 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It’s heavily implied he killed himself in isolation, while it would be an awesome thing to have god’s literal arm, it wouldn’t fit since it’s not mechanical

    • @AT0Ml3
      @AT0Ml3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@vreikezen8268 yeah that's the only issue with the idea

    • @Iamgoodatnames
      @Iamgoodatnames 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@vreikezen8268 we can modify it… I’m coping

  • @ThanatosStyx
    @ThanatosStyx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Idk if it could be black and gold necessarily
    I mean.. Hakita used white for violence and white isnt reaaally something you'd associate with the layer, but the idea of spilling blood on a canvas is what made it so fitting. Also golden/yellow is already used in Greed. I think Fraud will have very random colours to confuse the player even more. (I know the secret level isnt in Fraud but just imagine it being the backrooms lol, like theres a part of violence where fraud "glitches" into it)
    Also I would NOT be surprised if the skulls only work when place on a different coloured pedestal

  • @helenbooth5109
    @helenbooth5109 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:07 honestly, i think it would be cool if it was a swordsmachine sword, or a more advanced version of it from an older prototype of swordsmachine sent into hell first after the final war.

  • @PidgeonSisters
    @PidgeonSisters 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Finally, I've been waiting since layer 7 dropped for the community to start seriously hyping up for layer 8. Its gonna be a banger for sure

  • @rictuserectus6686
    @rictuserectus6686 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bold of you to assume you can predict whatever shit Hakita's cracked out crazy ass mind can conjure

  • @planetearth8044
    @planetearth8044 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Iirc hakita explicitly said satan was not going to be a boss in ultrakill, can't remember his reasoning why off the top of my head though.
    I am also unsure about Gabriel's arm being the gold arm, because first off Gabriel has to be the final boss and second off he is not a machine so it wouldn't be compatible.
    (like how you can't slap a human arm on a roomba and expect it to work).
    I also doubt it will be a swordsmachine arm, because while it would be cool the red shotgun basically confirms it won't as well as like
    why would we only get one now? they've been around since 0-2 and we already killed the main one.
    I personally think it will be something relating to Talos, the ancient greek mythological robot that picked giant boulders up and launched them at boats, and we might do something similar by picking up enemies and launch them at other enemies. After all, greek mythology is quite prevalent in the game
    Also i have a feeling Violence's secret level is going to be something along the lines of top-down stratagems like Halo Wars which would be pretty funny

  • @sourdough_sy8008
    @sourdough_sy8008 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i love how 2 days after this drop we get an update

  • @auggieheart
    @auggieheart 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Little refresher to clear y'alls head:
    - 9-2's Final boss will be Gabriel as anything else would ruin his character arc.
    - The OG Swordsmachine died in 0-3, confirmed by Hakita.
    - Lucifer and the Devil both exist in Ultrakill, as Lucifer is mentioned in Testament 4 (5-S) and in 3-1 Gabriel says "You make even the devil cry!", though they are never confirmed to be the same entity.
    - Hakita has never deconfirmed an appearance of Lucifer.
    - Angels who were born in Heaven like Gabriel and Lucifer CANNOT become Prime Souls, as Minos Prime's terminal entry states a husk is needed, and Hakita confirmed that Heaven-born angels do not have an afterlife. Virtues and other unknown lesser angels can become Prime Souls due to having been humans before.
    - The most accepted theory for the golden arm as of now is Gabriel's yellow sword, Splendor.
    - Just because 2 custom levels have made a similar aesthetic for fraud that does not mean Hakita will follow suit.
    - We will NOT fight God, He is gone, and he has no reason to come back. Not only that, but if He was to come back, the game would be building up to it.
    - Do not even think of a character who isn't a Prime Soul appearing in a P level, as they are called Prime Sanctums for a reason.
    - Gabriel and V1 have no reason to team up against Hell. V1 wants blood, which Gabriel has, and nothing in the game so far points as to Gabriel knowing of Hell's sentience.

    • @HiroshiOmega
      @HiroshiOmega 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for the rant Valley

  • @elec2ro
    @elec2ro 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ultrakill boss pattern in an act:
    1st layer: Machine boss
    2nd layer: Giant Boss fitting with the layer's theme
    3rd layer: Gabriel
    Treachery will be Gabriel, and fraud likely being the layer itself. You'd probably have to aim for some kind of heart while the level attacks you and throws you around, like pillars shooting out of walls to hit you and throw you into another room that attempts to crush you, or the floor opens up and sends you back into the same room from above, but backwards, turning the player around. Maybe the walls could twist and turn and giant hands could spring from the ceiling and attempt to grab the player.

  • @theinternetcheckpoint1
    @theinternetcheckpoint1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    You might actually be spot on tbh

  • @carryn_bananas
    @carryn_bananas หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i'd like to see treachery to explore and maybe even punish gabriel's betrayal to the counsil probably even how he may possibly end up dying, issue is that without the counsil and him being the judge of hell he may not, would be cool and maybe even hakita finds a way to make it consistent. V1 surely just ends up going to heaven to exterminate the angels, or maybe even a deeper message like V1 just shutting down or dying because of no more blood available for his consume
    - i would cry if i see die each of them, but it surely has to happen.

  • @Wungle_bungle123
    @Wungle_bungle123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A really good theory I’ve seen from one of my good yt friends is that there is a possibility of a V3. My thought process is, perhaps like how hell took inspiration from the gutterman for mannequins, heaven could have taken inspiration from V1 and V2 to potentially stop V1, like a fight fire with fire situation. Another point my friend brought up in a short he made, if V1 is blue, and V2 is red, then making V3 yellow would not only knock out the primary colours, but also matches the planned and confirmed yellow arm. Finally, we’ve only gotten arms from V2, and it would only make sense that the only arms suitable for V1’s arm slot thing would be other V bot arms

    • @Wungle_bungle123
      @Wungle_bungle123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      By the way my friend is @gussgames

  • @GGGamesXDlol
    @GGGamesXDlol 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you believe it! Brutal next week!

  • @Digi_Dig1
    @Digi_Dig1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think that the yellow arm would actually come from swordsmachine somehow, given that the other two arms were from V2 but he can't return, so the next closest machine in design would be swordsmachine.

    • @OST-jp4cc
      @OST-jp4cc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean, we already got a machine arm in Violence. The impact hammer. We are given a machine at the first layer of each Act after all. Now while the Impact hammer is not the Gold arm, there is quite a bit of evidence for it to be from Gabriel and us taking his sword.

  • @sebaxibeingsilly
    @sebaxibeingsilly 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    imagine entering 9-2 seeing the most epic version of satan about to attack and suddenly gabriel appears one shotting him and having the hardest bossfight in all shooters history

  • @torpid5092
    @torpid5092 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yea honestly kind of hope there aren’t any more “giant” or “titan” characters in this game, mayyybe they could get away with it for the final boss but we’ve already had the Corpse of King Minos, the Leviathan, and the Earthmover.
    You could even count the flesh prisons, I just think doing more enemies who’s main gimmick is just being really big would lose its effect.
    With that being said, I’m sure there’s gonna be tons of non-Euclidean geometry and some really interesting gameplay mechanics, the theme of Fraud combined with Hakita’s creativity is going to give us something awesome
    7-S being a different genre of fighting game would be sick too

  • @crobertson-lu2ph
    @crobertson-lu2ph 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I still don't know why everyone thinks that the yellow/Golden arm is going to be Gabriel splendor sword.

  • @CrimsoneArtsPrivateaccount
    @CrimsoneArtsPrivateaccount 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What are you talking about layer 7 released like a week ag- WAIT

  • @FreeSisyphus77
    @FreeSisyphus77 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm really hoping Hakita adds some sort of mimic enemy in Fraud. Maybe it could even be like that one enemy in Doom Eternal AG part 2, where if you hit them they give a buff to all the other enemies in the room, so you have to find the mimic disguised as another enemy and make sure to not hit it.

  • @nickovanilla
    @nickovanilla 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hakita just posted a vid about the new shotgun red variant

  • @jelgaming6072
    @jelgaming6072 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    gabriel probably gonna kill satan and be the final boss

  • @SpookerBBQ
    @SpookerBBQ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I remember when i made a prediction of the yellow arm, one person's idea was literally Gabriel's arm, who they called "Godfist"

  • @alternative7586
    @alternative7586 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just realized that we have 2 more layers, 1 secret level, and 1 more prime level until the game is finally finished. What a journey its been

  • @wood5734
    @wood5734 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    i honestly think violence's secret is gonna be a luigi's mansion ripoff

  • @Clark-c3u
    @Clark-c3u 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:20 that sound tickled my brain

  • @Francisco-fw5fe
    @Francisco-fw5fe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I think Gabe will be the final boss, with Lucifer's giant body being the arena
    But I still believe we will get the final arm from him, to be used in p-3 and the cybergrind

    • @PissJarGaming69
      @PissJarGaming69 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I personally think that the gold arm will come from Swordsmachine.

  • @password50
    @password50 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    imagine they do a double boss were Gabriel and v2 team on you "highly unlikely but an interesting thought"

  • @Doxos_
    @Doxos_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Gold arm is definitely not from Gabriel because that yellow part is just Gabe's armor not his actual arm. It would probably be from a machine that we never saw yet

    • @Scionmaster
      @Scionmaster 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Swordsmachine 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

    • @theorganizer27
      @theorganizer27 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe the arms are made from scrap rather than ripped off of a machine

    • @HiroshiOmega
      @HiroshiOmega 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Splendor is golden y'know...

  • @takinames
    @takinames 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ohhhhh there was a war for 7-s a war against my mental well being

  • @jadensees
    @jadensees 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    for 7-s i think its be cool if it was a slender-esque game
    obviously it has nothing to do with the theme of 'violence' but i just think itd be a silly idea considering what everyone thought of 7-3 during first time play throughs

  • @ULTRATREE0
    @ULTRATREE0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If enemys start using illusions I'm going to call the update the schizophrenia update

  • @Hatsoon
    @Hatsoon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Hate too say it buuuut hakita said satan wont be in there

    • @Shugadonk
      @Shugadonk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He never said this. There's a screenshot of him asking where this rumor came from.

  • @DinMamma2200
    @DinMamma2200 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i believe the yellow arm could be:
    Gabriel's arm (layer 9 final boss reward) (most likely)
    Swordsmachine's sword (would be cool, but would also be very misplaced in act 3 and not the prelude)
    SHOCK arm (as the name suggests, it electrocutes enemies, deals most damage towards machines)

  • @rBoxYT
    @rBoxYT 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I feel the yellow arm should be from the swordsmachine because every one after the prelude one is a fraud

    • @SEL.blend.
      @SEL.blend. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its not gonna be from a regular ass enemy like swordsmachine, if it did we would have gotten it like 15 times.
      also the others are’nt “frauds” they are just different models because they were made to be an army for war not just 1

    • @rBoxYT
      @rBoxYT 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SEL.blend. the terminal says that the other ones are copies and are therefore frauds

    • @SEL.blend.
      @SEL.blend. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rBoxYT that’s because THEY ARE COPIES!!! Just because they are called a copy does NOT mean they are a fraud, if you can’t understand how simple this is i will make an example: if you make a video game like utk and multiple people buy it they have a COPY of ultrakill but that does not mean its a fraud because it was’nt the first copy sold. Same goes for machines, there are multiple instances of swordsmachine that doesn’t mean they are frauds because they aren’t the first instance. Check your terminology next time.

    • @theuselessteammate2097
      @theuselessteammate2097 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@SEL.blend.they are copies in the sense that they have imitated as it is openly said the swordsmachine and it's imitators were not built thst way but built themselves from scraps.

    • @theuselessteammate2097
      @theuselessteammate2097 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@SEL.blend.telling people to check their terminology while blatantly perverting what was said is crazy btw

  • @legogeneralgreivous8651
    @legogeneralgreivous8651 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Coming back here after 7-S released. It’s actually really funny how accurate your prediction was, it’s a normal level at first where you have to get extremely violent, but the game doesn’t let you leave the level until you clean up the mess your violence caused

  • @levik6775
    @levik6775 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    him: we havent gotten an update
    next day: oh really?

  • @creativeusername237
    @creativeusername237 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "7-S is going to be a fighter minigame!"
    Buddy you could not have been more wrong

  • @r333oach
    @r333oach 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    in my opinion, gabriel is going to be the last boss, killing every major threat, holy or unholy. That includes satan. Feel like it'd be cool if the first half of the fight was against satan and when he gets mid health gabriel takes advantage and kills him, we get a cutscene and boom gabriel fight

  • @mrphantom6988
    @mrphantom6988 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Now that I think of it the climax of fraud might be one of the giants since they guard treachery not to mention that it could be another corpse of king minos were we fight the prime soul's corpse of this act

  • @SpyGuy13
    @SpyGuy13 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Holdholdhold, did I hear, “rebellion” against god? 3:26

  • @krecks2920
    @krecks2920 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think the 7-S is gonna be a beat' them up.

  • @mikkraftter
    @mikkraftter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    the arsenal update release and revealed that 7-S is a...
    [SPOILER]
    cleaning simulator! (also hakita made the blood physics realistic so it paints surfaces pixel by pixel and its so juicy like i want it in every level its so delicious)

  • @manthisisreallygood2051
    @manthisisreallygood2051 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the sequel to ultrakill better be called ultralife, a farming simulator about ascending the layers of heaven

  • @DARKDERD5854
    @DARKDERD5854 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    7-S ideas:
    - RTS GAME!!! where you need to create units to war
    And 8-S can be troll level , you know , "Fraud"

    • @SmugBab
      @SmugBab 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I would love that hah

    • @V2Plushi
      @V2Plushi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Womp womp

    • @builderdude3428
      @builderdude3428 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      all the secrets levels have been video games references so 8-S could be hack and slash or some other genre.

    • @volcanic_sloth
      @volcanic_sloth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in 8-S, you'll see v2 with the yellow arm and get rickrolled once you get close

  • @SubspaceTripmineAnimeFan
    @SubspaceTripmineAnimeFan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think you could get the yellow/gold arm in 8-4 but fight Gabriel in 9-1, the yellow/gold arm could be being swordsmachine’s arm cuz well, yellow and yellow. But everyone has different opinions.

  • @Blochitect
    @Blochitect 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    8s secret level should feature a portal gun. You know because of that non Euclidean stuff.

    • @InternDOhioSUNEM
      @InternDOhioSUNEM 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      aperture science

    • @InternDOhioSUNEM
      @InternDOhioSUNEM 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      we do what we must because we can

  • @Echo_8054
    @Echo_8054 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the whole deceiving thing would be really cool with non-euclidian geometry tbh

  • @Svaaa_
    @Svaaa_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    "Where the hell else you'll get a yellow arm?"
    Me: "Swordsmachine"
    Any other theories?
    Edit 2: Wow Friday the 13th red variant RAHHH

    • @yussfchbb112
      @yussfchbb112 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Maybe we can ençiuter a modified version of the swordsmachine, like a special version that haves a new yellow arm

    • @Svaaa_
      @Svaaa_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@yussfchbb112 oh that'll be awesome

    • @anshsgh6092
      @anshsgh6092 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      bladesmachine.

    • @Svaaa_
      @Svaaa_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@anshsgh6092scissor machine

    • @Svaaa_
      @Svaaa_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@anshsgh6092 scissormachine

  • @otherguyschris
    @otherguyschris 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is a really well edited video with really unique ideas, I love the non euclidean stuff

  • @crusader_gaming8273
    @crusader_gaming8273 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Judas is problay going to be a prime soul in the treachery layer

  • @NAFProjects
    @NAFProjects 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "we haven't had an update in a while"
    3 days later:

  • @SamaroLiato
    @SamaroLiato 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ahem... Personally i think the the Fraud Boss would be a shapeshifting shapeshifter kind of thing where it hides as some object for a few seconds before going back on the attack and stuff. The Hand in my humble idea is a parry but only for projectiles, once it like.. parries a projectile the hand shoots said projectile until another projectile is parried, idk I'm just bored and felt like writing this :/

    • @SirGronfleton
      @SirGronfleton  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      hmm interesting ideas

  • @UnSpamtomRandom
    @UnSpamtomRandom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ok, hear me out
    Gabriel is the final boss, and we get SATAN PRIME

    • @OST-jp4cc
      @OST-jp4cc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Angels don’t go prime

    • @UnSpamtomRandom
      @UnSpamtomRandom 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OST-jp4cc oh shi youre right

  • @britishpivotanimator
    @britishpivotanimator 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    hakita said satan will NEVER appear as a boss

    • @SirGronfleton
      @SirGronfleton  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      oh damn when did he say that?

    • @Iamstupid425
      @Iamstupid425 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​​@@SirGronfletonsome guy in reddit asked the same question and no one came up with any footage expect for one dude who posted an image of hakita saying "i never said any of that including me disconfirming sisyphus not being p2" so no that's a lie

    • @Doxos_
      @Doxos_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SirGronfleton I feel like it will either be a fight with hell itself or any other character that wasn't introduced yet

    • @britishpivotanimator
      @britishpivotanimator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Iamstupid425 oh shit, its still unlikely though.

    • @peashootz9917
      @peashootz9917 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Doxos_ Hell itself would not be a boss, the final boss is clearly Gabriel.

  • @404Foundnt
    @404Foundnt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Solution to fitting Gabe into layer 9 w/ Satan: Satan is the boss for the end of 9-1 and Gabe be the final boss