Actually it was the Baron who was forced to conceive offspring by the Bene Gesserit. The Sisterhood harvested genes from members of the great houses to manipulate bloodlines and consolidate their own power within the imperium. The Baron had already been blackmailed into copulating with Mohiam once but the child died and Mohiam was ordered to approach the Baron again for another child. The Baron, being homosexual hated the first experience with Mohian and decided to humiliate her the second time by paralyzing her with a nerve toxin and raping her. It was during the rape that Mohiam deliberately infected the Baron with a disease that would make him morbidly obese. As the Baron was immensely vain and in love with his own perfect physique, Mohiam knew this would torture and humiliate him to no end.
Thx for the explanation. When it said that a BG was forced to conceive, I just couldn't believe it. I'm sure any good BG could voluntarily miscarry at any time.
I love the concept that the most brutal evil House in Dune, came to be as they are because One of them refused to murder innocent people on the orders of House Atreides during war.
Xavier Butler refused to bombard hostages taken by the machines & used as human shields hence the name Bridge of Hrethger at Corrin but what sense did it make to refuse when Earth Prime was bombarded with Atomics to stop tha machine menace & whatever populace was deemed to be in a better place than the were .
The harkonnens only trusted those of their subordinates who had weaknesses that could be used to control and exploit them. The baron regards the first guard captain as trustworthy only because his appetites were well known. The man he promotes as the new guard captain is one he knows he can trust because the baron knows he is addicted to the drug semuta. My understanding is that in the Harkonnens forces, they would betray eachother for advancement, that subordinates would inform on a superior in hopes of taking his place.
@@elizabethjansen2684 That makes no sense. He could not have known who his grandfather was without the WoL. And he could not have known about that before they met the Fremen. I admit, it's been a while since I last read Dune, but what you say makes no sense.
Read in this order: 01 The Butlerian Jihad, 02 The Machine Crusade, 03 The Battle of Corrin, 04 House Atreides, 05 House Harkonnen, 06 House Corrino, 07 Dune, 08 Paul of Dune, 09 Dune Messiah, 10 The Winds of Dune, 11 Children of Dune, 12 God Emperor of Dune, 13 Heretics of Dune, 14 Chapterhouse Dune, 15 Hunters of Dune, 16 Sandworms of Dune. I have read these 16 book 4 times each. Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson have some other books I need to read as filler to the above books. God Emperor of Dune is my favorite and wish someone would make this book into a movie.
Thanks for this. I read 07, 09 and 12, about 30 years ago. I didn't realize that I was reading things out-of-order, at the time. I had tried to read Dune in middle school (82') because the "smart kids" were reading it (and the Hobbit, by Tolkein) but, it seemed so LONG! I read it and the other books, after seeing the oringal movie in highschool (85').
@@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro Most of the books that guy listed didn't exist 30 years ago. The original books by Frank Herbert were Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, Chapterhouse: Dune. The rest were books by other authors, with the first in the list being published in the early 00s.
For a lot of us, the movies are what got us into this epic story! I started reading the books when the first recent Dune came out. So far, the Harkonnen seem pretty bad
I know that the David Lynch film is widely jeered, but I think the quality and creepiness of the Harkonnens is highlighted much better in that film than in the TV series
IMO, the emperor trapped the Atreides AND the Harkonnens. (I am basing this ENTIRELY on the Frank Herbert books. I find the BH/KJA novels to be very problematic) The ancestral feud between the Atreides and Harkonnens were well known. The Atreides were becoming more popular in the Landsraad (sort of like an English parliament for the Houses). The Atreides had been training their fighting force to the point where they were almost a match for the Emperor's sardaukar. And Baron Harkonnen had gotten VERY wealthy mining spice. The kind of wealth that could be a problem for the Emperor. Here's how I see the plan: 1. Take Arrakis away from the Harkonnens, threatening their wealth. The Baron would be willing to spend a lot of resources to get Arrakis back. 2. Give Arrakis to the Atreides, the ancestral enemy of the Harkonnens. At this point, the Baron would be willing to spend everything he had. 3. Let the Barron know privately that the Emperor will "allow" the Harkonnens to attack the Atreides. 4. Offer some of the Emperor's sardaukar to assist in the battle. Of course, this is a double-edged sword; they are there to help exterminate the Atreides AND make sure that the Baron does as he is told. 5. Make sure that the Spacing Guild charged exorbitant troop transport fees and hazzard rates. And also pay the transport costs for the sardaukar. (After the attack, the Baron tells Rabban, "If you squeeze Arrakis for every cent it can give us for sixty years, you'll just barely repay us!" So, two birds, one stone: Atreides are gone and the Harkonnens are broke.
That might have been his thinking, but I'd say he underestimated the Haarkonens in that. Once they had won, they 1. still had the biggest military force in the Empire (even though they couldn't match the Saardukar in quality). 2. had gotten the Emperor to get his hands dirty, intervening in fights that he was forbidden from meddling in. As such, they had leverage over the Emperor. 3. had regained the biggest cash cow in the Empire, thus borrowing money wouldn't be a problem 4. were the most powerful house in the Landsraad, with no force to counter them.
Finally you explain WHY THE HELL EMPEROR HELP THE BALDS And is because they destroy the industry of 80 years in (i dont know) 1 year I THINK this is HARDLY explain by novie inself i hope the secuel Talk about Space with the Sand people
@@jamesrepass442 I'm not saying the Emperor didn't consider these factors. The fact that this is adressed in the books doesn't mean the Emperors assesment is correct. Just because he's confident that he can control the Harkonnens doesn't mean he actually can. It is completely speculative either way, since that power struggle never plays out in the story (which would show us who has the better judgement of the situation). At the end of the day, both parties misjudge the Atreides and grossly misjudge the Fremen, and as such I wouldn't put it past either to misjudge the other as well.
If you read further in the dune series you will find that the Harkness in the past were honorable and it was the arteries that were the traitors check it out.
I must say Brian Herberts backstory for Vladimir undercuts his character in Dune somewhat. There, the gluttony is an outward representation of the Barons greed. Something that he willingly engaged in. He was, by his own choices, the absolute antithesis to the Atreides, who practiced discipline in all things. It just being a disease inflicted upon him renders this moot.
The Emperor's plan was to grind both houses against each other. He also hoped the Baron would be dead or broke after this conflict. The new movie is just a brief abridged version of Dune. There's no way the whole Atraides were asleep, and no one on guard. No back up coms, no patrols.
I only watched the movies, but that was the idea I got of emperor’s motivation - reducing the influence of both powerful clans as much as he can to minimize their threat to his own power. But yeah i dont remember if it was explicitly mentioned in the movies.
Im glad that you have included Brian Herbert's prelude's to his father's work. I have read %95 of the whole Dune story. I highly recommend all Dune fans to read them. I made it as far as the Butelarian Jihad. I have not read "Worms" and "Fremen".
I have loved the whole journey..I loved the house trilogy, the prequels to dune. And chapterhouse dune and the ending of the main story wrapped up in this awesome bow lol
This may be unrelated but I don't like how the 2021 movie depicted the Harkonnens. The Harkonnens weren't monstrous creatures but normal looking people just like the Atriedes, not bald pale inhuman brutes. Aside from Beast Rabban, the Harkonnens were more plotters than brutes. If anything they were also douchy. In the novels they constantly bickered with each, and had annoying personality traits. Vladimar Harkonnen was more flamboyant. There is this flaw within modern movie making where they must make all villainous factions (including human factions) look inhuman and scary as possible just so they can dumb it down to the audience by saying "these are the BAD GUYS".
The 2021 version made a major mistake by creating the Baron as a very weird person, using subdued lighting and far too little screentime. When you have a genius actor like Stellan Skarsgard, you use him as much as possible and let him act as well as giving good dialogue. The same with a star like Jason Momoa who is a fantastic actor yet he only got 9 minutes screentime. The three main characters are OK but not good, Chalamet is too lightweight both in physique and experience to play Paul, I would have preferred Eva Green as Pauls Mother and Morfydd Clark as Chani, The movie could have been much better if casting had been more sensible.
@@FundyisleLegacy I agree 100% but I reckon they didn't want Jason overshadowing Chalamet, Coleman and Ferguson who I reckon are OK but not star quality, in fact the supporting actors are far better. Why they chose these 3 is a mystery. I hope to see more of Jason in the 2nd movie.
very true. but i understand their dilemma. these audiences nowadays are indeed, special, due to the declining school system. and if you don't find a way to hold their attention to sell them stuff, the production company won't believe they can recoup their investment and therefore will not fund your project.
The original Harkonnens are more like House Ordos from the game, relying on treachery, bribes, sabotage and technologies, rather than being portrayed as a brute military machine every time.
If you watch closely Vlad actually beheads the Doc. 👨🏻🦲⚔💀 I love Stellan's performance and how they portrayed The Baron but in my imagination he was more like Vlad in Lynch's version. Gross and disgusting sort of a cross between the two. Can't wait for part2. Wicked video, some of the most brutal bad guys ever in Sci-fi "The Harkonens!". #LONGLIVETHEFIGHTERS! 💯👊🏽⚔🤺⚔
@@SK4M_Freal haha yeah he didn't skimp on gettin that thing sharpened, doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would but yeah he just kinda like swiped with like 20-30% power head just came smooth off 😬
@@SK4M_Freal I don't know about you but I didn't notice it the first time I saw it. Made the scene so much cooler once I realized that's what happened lol
@@brianstanton2721 I heard about the scene before the film came out and yeah you really have to watch to see it but in one easy swipe and then he just dashed that Doc's head!!👨🏻🦲🔪💀
Harkonnen were forced to settle on Giedi Prime because they put the lives of hostages before the lives of humanity. They were stripped of their honorable title and forced onto a terrible world. This transformed the honorable friends of the Atreides into monsters with a thirst for vengeance. This all occurred at the Battle of Corrin against the last Thinking Machine planet. Depending if you enjoy Frank's sons books or not that may or may not be cannon in your mind but I prefer their books. The Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade, and the Battle of Corrin are personally my favorite.
I would have expected this contribution to go back to the Battle of Corrin and the time before that, when Harkonnen and Atreides were actually allies and friends and to explain the reason for the long lasting feud... - (when Abulurd Harkonnen refused to sacrifice millions of humans...) Ok, for that there are no shiny videos, but it would have been worth the effort...
If the name comes from Finland, and has to do with the animal ox, then the original Finnish name would be Härkönen. But of course in a US phone book it would be different, like Harkonen. Don't know if Herbert just added the extra n to the name, or if the phone book had it wrong (if we're still under the assumption of a Finnish origin for the name).
Baron was the worst kind of monster because he took pleasure even sexual pleasure in harming/ killing others. Cold is calculating in the books. Which meant you could be a man or woman he would take pleasure in harming you. Even children dude was a different level type of monster.
Vladimir Harrkonen I wonder if Lucas was influenced by this floating bloated monstrosity when he came up with Jabba The Hutt?!? My father gave me the first Dune book in english when I was in my early or mid teens.
I agree with you! I've wondered about this too, especially with the "evil right-hand man and potential servant" parallels between Twisted Mentat Piter de Vries and Bib Fortuna. Plus, both Jabba and the Baron are involved in Spice trades in one way or another
Damn shame Pt. 1 portrayed the Harkonnens as generic villains. Plus they scrubbed the Baron's vile homosexuality so the LGBTQetc wouldn't be triggered.
Very small spoiler warning: If they could only make it through to God Emperor of Dune (book 4), one Duncan Idaho is reprimanded for homophobic comments towards certain members of the Fish Speakers. He then goes on to learn that History itself is not a linear march toward progress, but a cyclical machine of rewriting by victorious regimes. Also, everyone's ancestors were guilty of something, some debts can never be adequately repaid and nobody is The Hero.
I get it, finally! The Harkonens are the Soviets' metaphor in Dune which was written during the Cold War. I was 16 when I read the novel. Back then, Herbert didn't seem to make the Harkonen obviously Soviet in my kid mind, but they are obvious black hats in the novel's universe, so depending on your era, they become a metaphor for any enemy. What's interesting is that Arakis and the Fremen were the heroes (at that moment of the novel), but who did they resemble here on Earth? Terrorists from Arabic countries? That's the enemy today, and it does fit--terrorists are awful, but they fight for the survival of their old religion--unfortunately no matter who else gets killed. But in the 1970's, especially after Lawrence of Arabia, Arab countries and people took on a wild, romantic quality like the Fremen in the novel have, pre-9/11. So that fits too. It's so deliciously complex, it makes me want to read it all again--originally I stopped after becoming an English minor, and I never went back to commercial novels again. But all these summary videos are tempting me!
I'm curious what part 2 will be like? The first one was already good! One reason why I got the LEGO ICONS DUNE model. Yes, the #legoiconsduneatreidesroyalornithopter is really a great model, it's really fun to build. Even if it's a hidden LEGO Technic model! In my opinion, it’s already the best LEGO model of 2024!
I thought you will talk about origins of Harkonnen. Guess you didn't read Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson books which are based on Frank notes. It starts with Butlerian Jihad
Did you watch the whole video?They referenced some of the Herbert /Anderson books (if you can consider them cannon). I tend to think of them as alternate universe Dune. They’re fun stories that I enjoyed reading, but the non-Frank Dune books for sure went in a different direction than the originals, favoring action set pieces over deeper philosophy. Still fun buuut Erasmus and Omnius were totally not the direction Frank was moving things in.
@@ianchilds6433 ofc it s a cannon. Those books are written by his son and are based on Frank's notes. Same story goes with J.R.R. Tolkien and his son Christopher. Wihout Christopher we wod not have, for example, Silmalirion.
@@anulire Christopher Tolkien edited his fathers work, he didn't write stories of his own. There's a reason his fathers name is on the books he published. Can't compare that to Brian Herbert in the slightest.
It would be great to see some history shots in any upcoming feuds I.e the baron and Leto meeting in previous political meetings with the other houses etc
Piter was a "Twisted Mentat," a mentat produced by the Tleilaxu rather than the normal mentat schools, which breed mentats with specific admirable qualities
Good to learn how the Baron survived the gas attack, it was never really explained in Lynch's, the SyFy Dune, or the new movies how he survives. It's extra bad in Lynch's dune because he's nowhere near Leto when he triggers the tooth, but even in the movie I was a bit thrown because it looked like it was a perfect assassination but they never explained how he survived
The harkonenns were dumb enough to create two exceptional fighters and allow them to fall into their rivals hands to crush them later. They also allowed the fremen to slip through their hands.
Mohiam didn't curse Vladimir because she was forced to bear his child, since she was sent to him by the Bene Gesserit. She cursed him because when she went to him a second time to conceive (1st child died shortly after birth or was stillborn IIRC), he raped her publicly in front of his court. Which makes the irony all the sweeter that Jessica's child (if Paul has been female per BG orders) was meant to procreate with her cousin Feyd & instead destroyed the House.
Well cursed isn't exactly the right word. She selected a disease she kept dormant in her body and transmitted to him. She knew he was vain about his appearance and specifically chose the most humiliating one she kept to destroy him
Actually she smothered the 1st because of imperfections and knew wasn't a good breeding stock. She had to force herself and keep it hidden that she did so.
Harkonnen and Atreides were once friends and fought together to defeat the thinking machines and drive Omnius and Erasmus deep into the Unknown parts of the Duniverse!
Nonsense, at the time of the Bulterian djihad, the Harkonnen family was one of the greatest on a par with the Atreides family, and perhaps even bigger, because the Atreides' protoplacers were simply traitors. And so, after Abulard Harkonnen refused to obey a heartless order, Vorian Atreides did not reveal the truth that Xavier Harkonnen was a hero and killed Iblis Ginjo because he knew about his plots with the Tleilaxans.
One thing I find weird about Dune (I haven't read the books yet) is how all the royal houses seem to have less than five members despite having entire planets as their fiefdoms
Vladimir Putin only has like 3 people on his family despite ruling the largest country (by area) in the world. Xi Jingpin only had one daughter that we know of. When it comes to authoritarian, power hungry leaders, a big family is actually a disadvantage. These guys are so paranoid and greedy, that they’re probably threatened by the idea of family members trying to take his place. For the dictator type, a large family is a vulnerability more than a blessing. A big exception is of course Genghis Khan, but one can hardly say he had a “family”. He just went around banging l/raping anyone he could get his hands on lol
Yea.. I liked the 2003 Dune and 2003 TV mini series as it showed his son as hot but arrogant boy, so you gotta wonder how such a monster got such handsome kid and you find why--his genes of course. And why the Bene.. sisters wanted to control, marry them around each houses with their genes too.
@ROVA00 yes they do, but the first book unabridged isn't available. There is a dramatized version that is abridged and the reviews say a ton of info is missing from it.
@@Kiannamora ahh I didn’t realize the the dramatized version had missing parts. I wouldn’t know since I didn’t read the physical book. Seems good enough for me though
I read two of the ghost-written Dune books (I'm pretty sure Brian Herbert put his name to it after the other author based it on, maybe, a paragraph of notes from Frank Herbert). He is not his father.
Technically a machine mind is the primary antagonist of the duneverse. Since it enslaved humanity, was overthrown, exiled, built itself back up and attacked again. Only to be thwarted because of Lato ii's golden path instilling the ability to be shrouded from the future sight shit going on.
When I was kid and first I heard the name Harkonnen, I thought the name sounds finnish. -nen is a stereotypical finnish last name end and there is a last name Härkönen which would be written as Harkonen by people who can't type scandinavian letters. Turns out the resemblance to finnish name was purposeful after all.
It seems these "Origins" of the House Harkonnen do not take in consideration the prequels: Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade and the Battle of Corrin. In the prequels, the Harkonnen were more noble than the Atreides.
Actually it was the Baron who was forced to conceive offspring by the Bene Gesserit. The Sisterhood harvested genes from members of the great houses to manipulate bloodlines and consolidate their own power within the imperium. The Baron had already been blackmailed into copulating with Mohiam once but the child died and Mohiam was ordered to approach the Baron again for another child. The Baron, being homosexual hated the first experience with Mohian and decided to humiliate her the second time by paralyzing her with a nerve toxin and raping her. It was during the rape that Mohiam deliberately infected the Baron with a disease that would make him morbidly obese. As the Baron was immensely vain and in love with his own perfect physique, Mohiam knew this would torture and humiliate him to no end.
Thx for the explanation. When it said that a BG was forced to conceive, I just couldn't believe it. I'm sure any good BG could voluntarily miscarry at any time.
Man the depth of this story blows me away. Can't wait for the final movies 👏
@@midwestmike613read the Original 6 Dune Novels.
Wow! The indepth stuff that never makes it into movies is ridiculously under rated! Love this story
Wow...thank you. I was wondering why he was so big, and shocked he had kids. Didn't seem like the type to be interested in sex.
Cool summarization! My dad gave me his Dune and Dune Massiah paperback novels when I was about 15 years old. I'm 60 now and still have them.
Dude... That's awesome!
Should I start reading them? i’ve been thinking about it
@@loganrichards9172 By all means. I find that the novels are more detailed.
@Logan Richards yes but after you see the movie it'll ruin it for you otherwise.
Hoarder 😂
I love the concept that the most brutal evil House in Dune, came to be as they are because One of them refused to murder innocent people on the orders of House Atreides during war.
Just an excuse to exercise their evil nature
@@jordanturner7917 shows how much you know.
and That Atreides was the son of a Titan, the leader of the disobeyed brains that ruled the human race and was in turn subjugated by Omnius.
Xavier Butler refused to bombard hostages taken by the machines & used as human shields hence the name Bridge of Hrethger at Corrin but what sense did it make to refuse when Earth Prime was bombarded with Atomics to stop tha machine menace & whatever populace was deemed to be in a better place than the were .
Frank Herbert never wrote any of that.
It's a fabrication of Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson.
House Harkonnen’s origin is traced back 10,200 years to the lost world of Earth, and the founding of the WEF.
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Imagine reincarnating onto geidi prime
too real bro
Hail time traveler
World walker
Be well
Abulurd Harkonnen (Rabban & Feyd’s father) was the polar opposite of the Baron and very kindly in nature.
Apple fell limbo from the tree
kinda absurd, society elites like that dont exist, not even in the Earth
once they were a honorable house. they were the heroes and Artreides were the bad guys. the first trilogy tells this and is fantastic
Very true
Harkonnens are still better than Paul and his Fremen horde.
@@sectorgovernorhow?
@@sectorgovernor define better
In the Brian's Duneverse, not in the Frank's.
The harkonnens only trusted those of their subordinates who had weaknesses that could be used to control and exploit them. The baron regards the first guard captain as trustworthy only because his appetites were well known. The man he promotes as the new guard captain is one he knows he can trust because the baron knows he is addicted to the drug semuta. My understanding is that in the Harkonnens forces, they would betray eachother for advancement, that subordinates would inform on a superior in hopes of taking his place.
My understanding as well
and "trust" is still not the word for it.
@cchavezjr7 true but what do you use?
@@elizabethjansen2684 Not sure. I have been thinking but I would just say control with caution.
@@cchavezjr7 suppression?
The Harkonnen deserve a own Movie in the Dune Universe.
You forgot to list Jessica as a remarkable member of House Harkonnen. She was Vlad’s daughter by Rev Mother Gius.
I think that's what he touched on when he said Lady Jessica not knowing her origins (as to not spoil it I'm guessing).
22:53 to 23:01 covers that 🙂
@@trence5 Jessica knew, eventually, just like Paul did after consuming the Water of Life.
@@Lord_Ralph actually Paul told her before she took the water of life before they contacted the fremen.
@@elizabethjansen2684 That makes no sense. He could not have known who his grandfather was without the WoL. And he could not have known about that before they met the Fremen.
I admit, it's been a while since I last read Dune, but what you say makes no sense.
Read in this order: 01 The Butlerian Jihad, 02 The Machine Crusade, 03 The Battle of Corrin, 04 House Atreides, 05 House Harkonnen, 06 House Corrino, 07 Dune, 08 Paul of Dune, 09 Dune Messiah, 10 The Winds of Dune, 11 Children of Dune, 12 God Emperor of Dune, 13 Heretics of Dune, 14 Chapterhouse Dune, 15 Hunters of Dune, 16 Sandworms of Dune. I have read these 16 book 4 times each. Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson have some other books I need to read as filler to the above books. God Emperor of Dune is my favorite and wish someone would make this book into a movie.
God Emperor as a movie. Think it's too complicated for the regular popcorn muncher. Hollywood would probably mess it up anyway.
… or listen. Dune audio books are great.
Thanks for this. I read 07, 09 and 12, about 30 years ago. I didn't realize that I was reading things out-of-order, at the time. I had tried to read Dune in middle school (82') because the "smart kids" were reading it (and the Hobbit, by Tolkein) but, it seemed so LONG! I read it and the other books, after seeing the oringal movie in highschool (85').
Wrong. Start with Dune, read the original 6, then read any others.
@@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro Most of the books that guy listed didn't exist 30 years ago. The original books by Frank Herbert were Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, Chapterhouse: Dune. The rest were books by other authors, with the first in the list being published in the early 00s.
I love how people are freaking out how bad the Harkonnen are and I am just sitting over here like "Clearly you all don't know about House Tantor."
Yeaaah they also seem to forget the axotol tanks as well
W Tleilaxu
For a lot of us, the movies are what got us into this epic story!
I started reading the books when the first recent Dune came out. So far, the Harkonnen seem pretty bad
I know that the David Lynch film is widely jeered, but I think the quality and creepiness of the Harkonnens is highlighted much better in that film than in the TV series
exactly! i still think about the cinematics that were used to capture their world. gave like brutalism but alieny, super eerie and cool
Harkonen life is basically one big Nine Inch Nails video.
IMO, the emperor trapped the Atreides AND the Harkonnens.
(I am basing this ENTIRELY on the Frank Herbert books. I find the BH/KJA novels to be very problematic)
The ancestral feud between the Atreides and Harkonnens were well known. The Atreides were becoming more popular in the Landsraad (sort of like an English parliament for the Houses). The Atreides had been training their fighting force to the point where they were almost a match for the Emperor's sardaukar. And Baron Harkonnen had gotten VERY wealthy mining spice. The kind of wealth that could be a problem for the Emperor.
Here's how I see the plan:
1. Take Arrakis away from the Harkonnens, threatening their wealth. The Baron would be willing to spend a lot of resources to get Arrakis back.
2. Give Arrakis to the Atreides, the ancestral enemy of the Harkonnens. At this point, the Baron would be willing to spend everything he had.
3. Let the Barron know privately that the Emperor will "allow" the Harkonnens to attack the Atreides.
4. Offer some of the Emperor's sardaukar to assist in the battle. Of course, this is a double-edged sword; they are there to help exterminate the Atreides AND make sure that the Baron does as he is told.
5. Make sure that the Spacing Guild charged exorbitant troop transport fees and hazzard rates. And also pay the transport costs for the sardaukar. (After the attack, the Baron tells Rabban, "If you squeeze Arrakis for every cent it can give us for sixty years, you'll just barely repay us!"
So, two birds, one stone: Atreides are gone and the Harkonnens are broke.
That might have been his thinking, but I'd say he underestimated the Haarkonens in that.
Once they had won, they
1. still had the biggest military force in the Empire (even though they couldn't match the Saardukar in quality).
2. had gotten the Emperor to get his hands dirty, intervening in fights that he was forbidden from meddling in. As such, they had leverage over the Emperor.
3. had regained the biggest cash cow in the Empire, thus borrowing money wouldn't be a problem
4. were the most powerful house in the Landsraad, with no force to counter them.
Finally you explain WHY THE HELL EMPEROR HELP THE BALDS
And is because they destroy the industry of 80 years in (i dont know) 1 year
I THINK this is HARDLY explain by novie inself i hope the secuel Talk about Space with the Sand people
@@rockyblacksmith This is basically addressed in the book through Count Fenrig, who basically tells the baron to FAFO. @axebeard6085 is correct.
@@jamesrepass442 I'm not saying the Emperor didn't consider these factors.
The fact that this is adressed in the books doesn't mean the Emperors assesment is correct.
Just because he's confident that he can control the Harkonnens doesn't mean he actually can.
It is completely speculative either way, since that power struggle never plays out in the story (which would show us who has the better judgement of the situation).
At the end of the day, both parties misjudge the Atreides and grossly misjudge the Fremen,
and as such I wouldn't put it past either to misjudge the other as well.
Brilliant analysis & very well stated.
So stoked Dune is finally getting a proper treament.
If you read further in the dune series you will find that the Harkness in the past were honorable and it was the arteries that were the traitors check it out.
You shut your mouth😂 lol
Spell check
@@bowlerfamily spell check is why it's spelled that way lol
They shouldn't even be called House Harkonnen. Their deeds during the Jihad is the only thing that stopped the thinking machines from surviving.
Exactly
I must say Brian Herberts backstory for Vladimir undercuts his character in Dune somewhat.
There, the gluttony is an outward representation of the Barons greed. Something that he willingly engaged in.
He was, by his own choices, the absolute antithesis to the Atreides, who practiced discipline in all things.
It just being a disease inflicted upon him renders this moot.
I felt the same
Brian Herbert's and Kevin J. Anderson's writing undercuts a lot of things from the original Dune novels.
The Emperor's plan was to grind both houses against each other. He also hoped the Baron would be dead or broke after this conflict.
The new movie is just a brief abridged version of Dune.
There's no way the whole Atraides were asleep, and no one on guard. No back up coms, no patrols.
I only watched the movies, but that was the idea I got of emperor’s motivation - reducing the influence of both powerful clans as much as he can to minimize their threat to his own power.
But yeah i dont remember if it was explicitly mentioned in the movies.
The Baron is probably one of the coolest villains in Dune
Sky tail & Count Fenring. Lady Fenrings fella. Good villains.
Skytale isn't a villain and neither is Waff
Im glad that you have included Brian Herbert's prelude's to his father's work. I have read %95 of the whole Dune story. I highly recommend all Dune fans to read them. I made it as far as the Butelarian Jihad. I have not read "Worms" and "Fremen".
I have loved the whole journey..I loved the house trilogy, the prequels to dune. And chapterhouse dune and the ending of the main story wrapped up in this awesome bow lol
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I found Brian Herbert’s preludes easier to read than his father’s seminal works. It helped me to put everything into context.
Those prequels are really horrible and in know way equivilant to the originals
Dune video is great thus far, thanks for the content. Also Berserk is amazing yall got me watching/playing/reading everything lol
This may be unrelated but I don't like how the 2021 movie depicted the Harkonnens. The Harkonnens weren't monstrous creatures but normal looking people just like the Atriedes, not bald pale inhuman brutes. Aside from Beast Rabban, the Harkonnens were more plotters than brutes. If anything they were also douchy. In the novels they constantly bickered with each, and had annoying personality traits. Vladimar Harkonnen was more flamboyant. There is this flaw within modern movie making where they must make all villainous factions (including human factions) look inhuman and scary as possible just so they can dumb it down to the audience by saying "these are the BAD GUYS".
The 2021 version made a major mistake by creating the Baron as a very weird person, using subdued lighting and far too little screentime. When you have a genius actor like Stellan Skarsgard, you use him as much as possible and let him act as well as giving good dialogue. The same with a star like Jason Momoa who is a fantastic actor yet he only got 9 minutes screentime. The three main characters are OK but not good, Chalamet is too lightweight both in physique and experience to play Paul, I would have preferred Eva Green as Pauls Mother and Morfydd Clark as Chani, The movie could have been much better if casting had been more sensible.
@@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jqshould have been way more screen time for Jason, considering how huge of a role his character maintains in the later books
@@FundyisleLegacy I agree 100% but I reckon they didn't want Jason overshadowing Chalamet, Coleman and Ferguson who I reckon are OK but not star quality, in fact the supporting actors are far better. Why they chose these 3 is a mystery. I hope to see more of Jason in the 2nd movie.
It's for mentally incapacitated foreigners with no understanding of stories to be visually stimulated.
very true. but i understand their dilemma. these audiences nowadays are indeed, special, due to the declining school system. and if you don't find a way to hold their attention to sell them stuff, the production company won't believe they can recoup their investment and therefore will not fund your project.
The original Harkonnens are more like House Ordos from the game, relying on treachery, bribes, sabotage and technologies, rather than being portrayed as a brute military machine every time.
If you watch closely Vlad actually beheads the Doc. 👨🏻🦲⚔💀
I love Stellan's performance and how they portrayed The Baron but in my imagination he was more like Vlad in Lynch's version. Gross and disgusting sort of a cross between the two. Can't wait for part2.
Wicked video, some of the most brutal bad guys ever in Sci-fi "The Harkonens!".
#LONGLIVETHEFIGHTERS! 💯👊🏽⚔🤺⚔
Yeah that part's crazy just tossed his head aside after
@@brianstanton2721 i was impressed with how sharp the knife was!😂
@@SK4M_Freal haha yeah he didn't skimp on gettin that thing sharpened, doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would but yeah he just kinda like swiped with like 20-30% power head just came smooth off 😬
@@SK4M_Freal I don't know about you but I didn't notice it the first time I saw it. Made the scene so much cooler once I realized that's what happened lol
@@brianstanton2721 I heard about the scene before the film came out and yeah you really have to watch to see it but in one easy swipe and then he just dashed that Doc's head!!👨🏻🦲🔪💀
Harkonnen were forced to settle on Giedi Prime because they put the lives of hostages before the lives of humanity. They were stripped of their honorable title and forced onto a terrible world. This transformed the honorable friends of the Atreides into monsters with a thirst for vengeance.
This all occurred at the Battle of Corrin against the last Thinking Machine planet.
Depending if you enjoy Frank's sons books or not that may or may not be cannon in your mind but I prefer their books. The Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade, and the Battle of Corrin are personally my favorite.
I would have expected this contribution to go back to the Battle of Corrin and the time before that, when Harkonnen and Atreides were actually allies and friends and to explain the reason for the long lasting feud... - (when Abulurd Harkonnen refused to sacrifice millions of humans...) Ok, for that there are no shiny videos, but it would have been worth the effort...
They look like Evil Game of Thrones Varys!😂
basically what they are 😂
They look like villains from Adam wests batman
Dune was a fantastic movie
For real!!! I was amazed !!!
Dune 2 is just as good.
Love the snobby nerd voice narration. Keep up the good work.
What about Alia being possessed by the Baron in the past life (abomination). She portrayed many of his characteristics.
I had no idea that the Harkonens originated in Finland. I wonder why Herbert made that choice.
According to Wikipedia, Frank Herbert found the name in a California Phone Book and liked the sound of it.
Read "Dreamer of Dune" by Brian Herbert, skip to the index.
If the name comes from Finland, and has to do with the animal ox, then the original Finnish name would be Härkönen. But of course in a US phone book it would be different, like Harkonen. Don't know if Herbert just added the extra n to the name, or if the phone book had it wrong (if we're still under the assumption of a Finnish origin for the name).
Frank Herbert choose that name because it sounded like a Soviet name aka russian name, make more sense because the barons first name is Vladimir.
Same, it is interesting
Basically, Space Rockefellers😂😂
Its sad because house harkonnen used to be heroes in the Butlerian Jihad
Baron was the worst kind of monster because he took pleasure even sexual pleasure in harming/ killing others. Cold is calculating in the books. Which meant you could be a man or woman he would take pleasure in harming you. Even children dude was a different level type of monster.
Vladimir Harrkonen I wonder if Lucas was influenced by this floating bloated monstrosity when he came up with Jabba The Hutt?!?
My father gave me the first Dune book in english when I was in my early or mid teens.
I think Lucas was inspired by a lot of things. Probably just about all of the Asimov Robot books for starters.
@@thetonetosser Indeed.
The "Lensmen" book/novel as well probably came the very idea of the Jedi Order.
I agree with you! I've wondered about this too, especially with the "evil right-hand man and potential servant" parallels between Twisted Mentat Piter de Vries and Bib Fortuna. Plus, both Jabba and the Baron are involved in Spice trades in one way or another
@@user-ws5qf1jk2p Indeed.
Lucas's Star Wars is the product of a LOT of sources even Toliien's Lord of the Rings books...
And Vladimir 2021 looks like Vader without Armour if you watch the new Star Wars movies and series
Hark-o-nen not "Harkenen".... just bugged me in the new movie.
"Harkenen" is the correct way, though.
Har ko nen
Piter de Vries hasn’t got enough screentime in the new movie!
Aside from the orange part, this sounds a lot like that last US president.
He lives rent free in your mind eh?
@@jonathanmoore9661kick rocks maggat.
Damn shame Pt. 1 portrayed the Harkonnens as generic villains. Plus they scrubbed the Baron's vile homosexuality so the LGBTQetc wouldn't be triggered.
Very small spoiler warning: If they could only make it through to God Emperor of Dune (book 4), one Duncan Idaho is reprimanded for homophobic comments towards certain members of the Fish Speakers. He then goes on to learn that History itself is not a linear march toward progress, but a cyclical machine of rewriting by victorious regimes. Also, everyone's ancestors were guilty of something, some debts can never be adequately repaid and nobody is The Hero.
You mean his pederasty…and yes the lgbtq vile activists would be triggered as they refer to child rapists as minor attracted person.
Villain can't be a homosexual. But what if the white good man character turned to black woman, that's fine.
I did not think the appearance of the Baron in the movies was very grotesque. Especially the new version
Agreed
Extreme obesity can be grotesque.
I get it, finally! The Harkonens are the Soviets' metaphor in Dune which was written during the Cold War. I was 16 when I read the novel. Back then, Herbert didn't seem to make the Harkonen obviously Soviet in my kid mind, but they are obvious black hats in the novel's universe, so depending on your era, they become a metaphor for any enemy. What's interesting is that Arakis and the Fremen were the heroes (at that moment of the novel), but who did they resemble here on Earth? Terrorists from Arabic countries? That's the enemy today, and it does fit--terrorists are awful, but they fight for the survival of their old religion--unfortunately no matter who else gets killed. But in the 1970's, especially after Lawrence of Arabia, Arab countries and people took on a wild, romantic quality like the Fremen in the novel have, pre-9/11. So that fits too. It's so deliciously complex, it makes me want to read it all again--originally I stopped after becoming an English minor, and I never went back to commercial novels again. But all these summary videos are tempting me!
Also Herbert didn't write Paul Atreidis as a hero. Had he resigned from his want to take revenge for his father's death he sure would have been.
Harkko is an ingot, härkä is an ox.
Nice.. formed from finnish name work Härkönen.. we are the ultimate bad guys..
There is a Dune RTS pc game from the past. It wasn't perfect but so much fun. This is regarding the late 2000's but the early 90's was great too.
I'm curious what part 2 will be like? The first one was already good! One reason why I got the LEGO ICONS DUNE model. Yes, the #legoiconsduneatreidesroyalornithopter is really a great model, it's really fun to build. Even if it's a hidden LEGO Technic model! In my opinion, it’s already the best LEGO model of 2024!
Control.. I’m reminded of a funny little quote from Jeff goldblum in Jurassic park as he looks upon dinosaurs for the first time in a jeep…
Oh my gosh, your description of House Harkonnen fits our current crop of politicians to a T. How shocking!!
Surprisingly my favorite of the major houses
I thought you will talk about origins of Harkonnen. Guess you didn't read Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson books which are based on Frank notes. It starts with Butlerian Jihad
Did you watch the whole video?They referenced some of the Herbert /Anderson books (if you can consider them cannon). I tend to think of them as alternate universe Dune. They’re fun stories that I enjoyed reading, but the non-Frank Dune books for sure went in a different direction than the originals, favoring action set pieces over deeper philosophy. Still fun buuut Erasmus and Omnius were totally not the direction Frank was moving things in.
@@ianchilds6433 ofc it s a cannon. Those books are written by his son and are based on Frank's notes. Same story goes with J.R.R. Tolkien and his son Christopher. Wihout Christopher we wod not have, for example, Silmalirion.
I'll admit that it's canon. But it's also complete shit. Publish the notes, Brian!
@@anulire Christopher Tolkien edited his fathers work, he didn't write stories of his own. There's a reason his fathers name is on the books he published.
Can't compare that to Brian Herbert in the slightest.
@@rockyblacksmith I guess you missed the pert of Brian said that this books are made from his fathers notes
Dune was my first SF book I read as a young girl. I feel in love with reading because of the writing..very good look at the Harkins...
It would be great to see some history shots in any upcoming feuds I.e the baron and Leto meeting in previous political meetings with the other houses etc
Piter was a "Twisted Mentat," a mentat produced by the Tleilaxu rather than the normal mentat schools, which breed mentats with specific admirable qualities
Good to learn how the Baron survived the gas attack, it was never really explained in Lynch's, the SyFy Dune, or the new movies how he survives. It's extra bad in Lynch's dune because he's nowhere near Leto when he triggers the tooth, but even in the movie I was a bit thrown because it looked like it was a perfect assassination but they never explained how he survived
Did you not see how he activated his shield before talking to him? It’s perfectly well explained
@@ichbinderhund2109 can't tell if sarcasm or no so: gasses can pass through the shield
The harkonenns were dumb enough to create two exceptional fighters and allow them to fall into their rivals hands to crush them later. They also allowed the fremen to slip through their hands.
Always been a fan and love their depiction
Mohiam didn't curse Vladimir because she was forced to bear his child, since she was sent to him by the Bene Gesserit.
She cursed him because when she went to him a second time to conceive (1st child died shortly after birth or was stillborn IIRC), he raped her publicly in front of his court.
Which makes the irony all the sweeter that Jessica's child (if Paul has been female per BG orders) was meant to procreate with her cousin Feyd & instead destroyed the House.
Well cursed isn't exactly the right word. She selected a disease she kept dormant in her body and transmitted to him. She knew he was vain about his appearance and specifically chose the most humiliating one she kept to destroy him
Actually she smothered the 1st because of imperfections and knew wasn't a good breeding stock. She had to force herself and keep it hidden that she did so.
Paul and Feyd aren't cousins. Jessica and Feyd are cousins which makes Paul and Feyd great-cousins.
Harkonnen and Atreides were once friends and fought together to defeat the thinking machines and drive Omnius and Erasmus deep into the Unknown parts of the Duniverse!
I've come from the future to tell you all to watch Dune 2 it's amazing.
Nonsense, at the time of the Bulterian djihad, the Harkonnen family was one of the greatest on a par with the Atreides family, and perhaps even bigger, because the Atreides' protoplacers were simply traitors. And so, after Abulard Harkonnen refused to obey a heartless order, Vorian Atreides did not reveal the truth that Xavier Harkonnen was a hero and killed Iblis Ginjo because he knew about his plots with the Tleilaxans.
We should have feared the Finnish all along
😂😂 I have a Finn as a friend who would love to hear that
One thing I find weird about Dune (I haven't read the books yet) is how all the royal houses seem to have less than five members despite having entire planets as their fiefdoms
Vladimir Putin only has like 3 people on his family despite ruling the largest country (by area) in the world. Xi Jingpin only had one daughter that we know of.
When it comes to authoritarian, power hungry leaders, a big family is actually a disadvantage. These guys are so paranoid and greedy, that they’re probably threatened by the idea of family members trying to take his place. For the dictator type, a large family is a vulnerability more than a blessing.
A big exception is of course Genghis Khan, but one can hardly say he had a “family”. He just went around banging l/raping anyone he could get his hands on lol
Descendent of Harkonnens still lives on Caladan, and Baron brother lives on Lankiveil
Dud sounds like a thinking machine
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Frank Herbert be like:
“No that’s actually Paul”
Trying to remember where I read/heard this, his physical state was attributed to a Bene Gesserit affliction,.
It was the bene thlailax. he was a absolute stunner in his youth. masiivly bulked and tall as hell. but they poisent him so he deformed
Yea.. I liked the 2003 Dune and 2003 TV mini series as it showed his son as hot but arrogant boy, so you gotta wonder how such a monster got such handsome kid and you find why--his genes of course. And why the Bene.. sisters wanted to control, marry them around each houses with their genes too.
Harkonnen comes from word Härkönen meaning the Bull. Frank Herbert saw the finnish surename in a phonebook back in the day before he wrote the books.
Finland has some explaining to do! ….
I would like to try some of that spice 😳😂
Dune 2 is about phenomenal
Härkönen is, if not very common, but not rare last name either in Finland.
So Harkonnen is a Metaphor for the OilIndustry of Finnland in the 1960s where there were no environmental restrictions or standards.
Interesting! I’ve recently realized that this whole story is a metaphor for the geopolitics of petroleum.
What do you think Leto II's arc would symbolize within that comparison?
After the battle of Corin, the harkonnens were banished to Geidi Prime and that's where the blood feud took hold
HOUSE HARKONNEN DID NOT FALL! Paul Atreides is The Barons grandson. Technically Paul was House HARKONNEN and House Atreides and so on to his children.
Haouse Harkonnen will live forever
Your name is kinda fitting for your comment.
this is how game of thrones should’ve been
HÄRKONEN IS A FINNISH LAST NAME!!! I KNEW IT!!! It means bullish.
plot twist, Harkonnen were the good guys
I love the movies, even the 1984 one. I don't have time to sit and read a dense, story driven novel. Looked for an audiobook and can't find Dune.
Ebay
Frank Herbert's Dune Collection (2000 & 2003) DVD
audible has the audiobooks available.
@ROVA00 yes they do, but the first book unabridged isn't available. There is a dramatized version that is abridged and the reviews say a ton of info is missing from it.
@@Kiannamora ahh I didn’t realize the the dramatized version had missing parts. I wouldn’t know since I didn’t read the physical book. Seems good enough for me though
He was a guardian of the galaxy
It's started getting just enough wrong to make it obvious it's written by ChatGPT.
I, for one, welcome the ascension of our Machine Overlords.
Time for another butlerian Jihad
I read two of the ghost-written Dune books (I'm pretty sure Brian Herbert put his name to it after the other author based it on, maybe, a paragraph of notes from Frank Herbert). He is not his father.
The Harkonnens are actually cousins to the Coreno family
"Adaptation" has 4 syllables.
These is like a high school book report written by ai.
Technically a machine mind is the primary antagonist of the duneverse. Since it enslaved humanity, was overthrown, exiled, built itself back up and attacked again. Only to be thwarted because of Lato ii's golden path instilling the ability to be shrouded from the future sight shit going on.
Thank god for denis. He has no peer.
Wait is Dune just another front to Fino-Korean hyperwar?!
Erm... nah I don't see reference. If smth it is UK vs Finland coz Caledon was fiefdom of house of Atreidis
I think remnants of the Harrkonens were around during God Emperor of Dune. That's 3000 years after the events of Dune.
Vladimir Harkenon sounds like our ex president
The Finns are such a kind and good hearted and brave nation though....
Harkonen ways remind me of American type of capitalism. Exploit and profit with zero regard to anything of anyone.
*russia
@@fredriksvard2603 Why do you spam this comment section and why are you so obsessed with Russia? Absolutely insane lol
@@sss1029 For the same reason the other guy rants ignorantly about capitalism. American capitalism isn't what he thinks at all.
Completely ignored half of their history, like how the were leaders during the butlerian jihad.
You’re citing the Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert novels? Better to consider as if those never happened.
When I was kid and first I heard the name Harkonnen, I thought the name sounds finnish. -nen is a stereotypical finnish last name end and there is a last name Härkönen which would be written as Harkonen by people who can't type scandinavian letters. Turns out the resemblance to finnish name was purposeful after all.
It is also written that Harkonnen comes from House of Steel, whose founder was Joseph Stalin
0:00 - I thought "I wonder if Xavier Harkonnen will be mentioned?"
Sweet Jesus Fuck, I forgot how utterly absurd the early 2000's Dune miniseries was.
He sounds just like David Lynch!
Ya know old school baron? Well this is a obscure reference but his doctors told him to relieve himself of natural gasses in spain
It seems these "Origins" of the House Harkonnen do not take in consideration the prequels: Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade and the Battle of Corrin.
In the prequels, the Harkonnen were more noble than the Atreides.