VLADIMIR HARKONNEN (The Genocidal Tyrant of DUNE) EXPLAINED
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- Hey guys what’s happening? Niyat here with film comics explained. As requested, today we’ll be exploring Baron Vladimir Harko-nen and his Great House, as featured in Frank Herberts expansive Dune universe.
Siridar-Baron Vladimir Harko-nen, commonly known as the Baron, was the penultimate ruler of House Harko-nen , and the chief architect in the demise of Duke Leto I of House Atreides.
He was the scion of a family and house with a history of ruthless ambition and basically the main antagonist of Herbert’s Dune saga. As the Baron of House Harko-nen, he ruled from his ancestral homeworld of Giedi Prime, exercising a tyrannical rule of exploitation and sadism over the lives of the slaves unfortunate enough to end up in the service of his House.
A long-standing rival of House Atreides, the Baron is determined to bring about their end, with particular emphasis on seeing Duke Leto Atreides humiliated in defeat.
His House was by far the most famous for their underhanded and sinister political tactics, gaining power by diplomatic intrigue and assassinations.
Known for an ancient feud it maintained with Atreides of Caladan since the Battle of Corrin, the house had a reputation for ambition, malevolence, hatred and brutality.
In this video, we are going to explore the origins of House Harko-nen, the life of Baron Vladimir and the demise of the powerful faction throughout the expansive dune universe.
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As someone who discovered Dune through the new movie, all I wanted was more Baron screen time. Whether he was in the Anti-toxic pool or when he hovers (floats?) in air, absolutely menacing.
He hovers. To float you must be less dense than air. Meaning the Baron would need a humongous (like blimp) suit which would be too big. He would need to hover though “anti-gravity” technology which would only make him hover, and not immune to gravity.
You should read the (Edit prequel) books. It explains why the baron is a floating fat man. The David Lynch movie was pretty damn good but the new movie is a lot closer to the source material.
Yeah, the prequel books actually give the Harkonnen's a lot more depth, especially the Baron who before he was a fat blob who needed a suspensor suit to hold his weight was actually a super ripped bodybuilder and explains how he ended up how he did.
@@orionassante3386 Yup. The snuggle struggle with Paul's grandmother. She infected him with a virus that turned him corpulent. Read the prequel books for full details.
@@orionassante3386 And Rabban, who was even more minor character in the original Dune.
In the prequels(House trilogy) you can see Rabban 's thoughts and personality too.
It is a bitter irony that the Harkonnen/Atriedes fued began with an act of mercy on the part of Abelard Harkonnen.
You misspelled "feud".
@@mileseggimann5483 you misspelt mispelled.😂
@@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorthsuch irony 🤣🤣🤣
@@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorth ones American english ones british english
Can u elaborate wht happened there n how it all began
When I read the prequel book house Harkonnen, it was ironic how the only time a harkonnen showed empathy they were punished with exile and humiliation.
They sound familiar like Israel
It may be the reason why so few of them in the modern day possess any form of empathy. They got smacked for it once, so they decided “nope, never again”
@@labakes1389bro what
@@labakes1389Yea true, the Palestinians showed empathy and granted others to live on their lands and now they are being murdered in masses, really does have a similarity to it!
@@labakes1389they represent Russia
Jessica wasn't leto's wife, they never married because of political reasons but they did love each other deeply
Technically
I really liked the Harkonnens in the Dune prequels and it's quite tragic and sad development when comparing the noble and honorable natures of the prequel era Harkonnens with the brutal sadism of the later Harkonnens.
They thought themselves superior because of their heartlessness, little knowing that it made them all lesser by comparison to the echos of yesterday.
Orson Welles was originally going to play Vladimir Harkonnen in Jodorowsky's DUNE, there is even concept art of Welles wearing some Indian/Sri Lankan attire with jewels and diamonds covering every part of his body. He even resembles a Buddha statue.
We can be thankful that thing never was made. The Lynch adaption is bad enough.
Ah, the SPICES of ARAKKIS
The jodorowsky adaptation would’ve been pure kino..
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Even though Baron Harkonnon was eventually defeated his bloodline continues through his mortal enemies- House Atredies. Lady Jessica was his daughter and Paul Atredies his grandson, how ironic.
These breakdowns on different aspects of dune lore are so amazingly awesome. I can finally talk to my dad about it and not just say "ahh that sounds cool". I'm now reading the books as well.
Definetly read the books Bilbo Swaggins! They are so detailed. Kind of like the books on your life, The Lord of the Blingz! lol
As an avid dune reader for more than 15years, always reading and buying each book that came out, I think my collection is at a dozen but I have read over 20 books related to dune, I love seeing the renewed interest in this series and getting the opportunity to fact check what I understand of this universe with what others understood and took from it. These books were everything to me growing up.
My introduction to the Universe was the Lynch film then Dune 2000 PC game. I'm currently halfway through Children of Dune book 😁
could you name books related to dune outside of the initial series? I'd like to buy them.
One of the greatest villains in the history of science fiction literature.
Ironic isn't it... An especially seeing as in the absolute beginning the Harkkonnen weren't enemies an actual what their mortal enemies in the Atredies would come to be. They was heroes at one time. Least if you follow the Butlerian Jihad book trilogy outlining how all these groups came to be an why they follow an respect and/or hate each other so much
Paul and his descendants were the greatest evil in the Dune universe. How many billions died at their hands?
@@vkpskulls an evil but not THE GREATEST evil. The whole reason for the Dune series as we KNOW it was from the thinking machines eons BEFORE. An all the books eons after this part an even after the Children of Dune books an a bit after they're even brought back in several the latest novels in the Series. The Thinking Machines that sparked the Ban on advanced tech in first place helped pave the way for everything that happened an killed trillions more then the Atredies, Harkkonnen an even most of the Royal Houses combined ever did
Oh yeah? Kung fu panda peacock
@@robertagu5533 Blame Vorian for that crap
You should remove the word "unsuspecting" in front of "Atreides" in your telling of the Baron's ambush on the family. They knew it was a trap they were walking into. They just couldn't outwit it. Great recounting though of the overall story of the Baron.
Dude what the actual fuck. Literally finished rewatching Dune like 20 min ago, this is way too strange to be a coincidence. I think I've been hitting the spice too hard.
lol
My desert, my arrakis, my dune
As much as I appreciate the incredibly well-done breakdown in this video, I simply can't absorb it all due to information overload lol. Might as well start reading the books now before the part 2 comes out. Great video once again, Niyat!
Nah just take some shrooms
The books are great. The world; while terrible to actually live in, is beautiful and rich in culture that feels real. It feels like the world comes first, then the characters, then the desires of those characters, then the desires of the factions they reside in. Lots of layers of motivation. It took me like 2 years to actually sit down and READ them. But once I did I regretted not doing it sooner.
I'd love to see The Butlerian Jihad made into a series. Plenty of action from humans turned Cymex to Omnius and Erasmus. They'd be great story lines.
These are the videos I love you doing, a deep dive that gives us the real meat of the story 👌 Keep em coming Niyat, absolutely brilliant 👍
*Wow!* Excellent video with a thorough history on House Harkonnen. I really enjoyed this. *Thank you* very much.
Can’t wait for the second part of Dune to come out!! Does anyone know by chance when the next half of the Dune movie comes out? Any date set yet?
November this year!
11/03/23
@@filmcomicsexplained wow thank you
November 3... I wait for the trailer
@@sorearm trailer is out right now. It's awesome
"Genocidal Tyrants of Dune" actually sounds like a book title in the series lol
Awesome absolutely awesome! Loved this background of an incredible character of this fantastic story. Thank you.
Thank you for making this! I remember requesting this one back on one of your previous dune videos.
Really appreciate your work...
Baron Vladimir Harkonnen: “Chaos is a ladder”
Another outstanding video i always loved the original 80's version of Dune but this version is awesome too!
Extraordinary explanation. It is very helpful for me to understand what sort of villain of this following tale about their histories, their interpretations and how will their reign of terror ends. Top thanks
It’s been a while since a video about a virus. The depth of research you go into is extremely fascinating to listen too in my off time. Is it alright that you do the Freaker Virus from “Days Gone”?
Adding it to the list buddy! Thanks
@@filmcomicsexplained Thank you. Can’t wait for Dune part 2 in November!
I have never understood the plan to destroy House Atreides. Why would the Emperor and Baron Harkonen give over control of the universe's most valuable resource to their enemy? Why couldn't they destroy Leto on his own homeworld?
well defending on their home ground easier to make them fight on their terms
They could not defeat them on Caladan. They needed their forces to be scattered and the atreides to be distracted by the harsh living conditions of Arrakis
The whole thing was House Corrano's scheme to get rid of House Atriedies and consolidate power. Corrano used Harkonnen as a puppet to defeat their rivals but the Baron was a scheming bastard with the Bene Gesserit on his side
Edit: They also assumed the Fremen and the geography would be too much for the honorable house. They didnt expect Paul to be the Kwisatz Hadderich too...
Nothing in Dune makes sense. Couldn’t the Emperor order the Harkonnens to attack the Atreides on Caladan and thus destroy both Houses, eliminating both rivals.
@@nomanor7987 Compared to CHOAM and The Spacing Guild and Bene Gesserit, Emperor is powerless, other houses favored Atreides over Harkonnen to the point Duke Leto could end up rivalling Corrano if he didnt die to Harkonnens.
So excited to watch this video. Your content is the best
Thank you fellow man of culture!
Good timing, I'm reading the 2nd book of the Prelude to Dune... House Harkonnen
You do an amazing job of explaining DUNE. THANK YOU.
Had to stop the vid half way thru. 2/3 thru the first book. Just received messiah to read next. Enjoying your content
Glad to see more dune content
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"Not possible to turn someone with PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONING."
Except if you threaten someone they love, which is THE REASON why the psychological conditioning exists in the first place.
I'm not the only one who realized how moronic that plot hole is, yeah?
way to show you didn't pay attention to the books/movie at all because it's quite literally explained why he did what he did
He never betrayed his Great House, he betrayed his Duke in service of his House
I was waiting to see footage of Feyd from the 80s version as portrayed by Sting 😆. Another great video. You're the Mentat of TH-cam.
Now it will be austin buttler
@@Dim4323 Yeah, honestly I wasn't excited to hear they cast Elvis at first, but I'll just trust the filmmakers. Who knows it could be great.
@@michaeljaymarshallI don't see the issue? "oh man he worked on this movie and earned awards for it, this movie is gonna suck" pretty much everything he's been in has won awards or he won awards
@@Dim4323a critically acclaimed and awarded actor who hasn't seen a commercial flop? wow what a bad swap
@@nicholasbrown668 being a bit dramatic? Who said this "this movie is gonna suck"?
Ah yes harkonen killing his son in law and ordering the assassination of his own daughter and grandson because he doesn't know they're related 🫥
As someone new to the franchise, I’m overwhelmed by the amount of names I need to remember and know about throughout this video.
The Baron Harkonnen that this one shows is one of my favorites!
Niyat I just can't seem to get into Dune, but I watch your videos because of your passion for the material you cover. Dune is intentionally tough to crack, so many new words 🤯
Not just that but new words describing new things with unusual functions.
I'm a simple man, when I see Lou Diamond Phillips on a horror DVD case I watch it. Route 666 and Bat's are hilarious
Honestly it's just the politics / plans that get confusing. But that's just due to all the different factions grasping for similar and different things.
This was a Great video. A tip of the hat to you good Sir.
I read the House trilogy by Brian Herbert, and you can realize literally everyone has secrets and do /did dirty things(manipulation, blackmail, murder etc, ) maybe except Leto, but even the Atreides can be ruthless and can be manipulative.
Indeed the whole family feud between the Atreides and Harkonnen, is because a Harkonen refused the order by an Atreides to commit mass murder of millions of human slaves to win a battle against machine forces. And for that Harkonnen was stripped of his rank, called a coward and banished to an ice world.
Just wondering if in future Dune videos whether you could please mention somewhere that you're taking this info from the Dune Encyclopedia? There is a lot of difference between Dune Encyclopedia canon and the Expanded Dune Universe canon, and while both canons have their place (and are both debated in literary circles), it's likely that the movie-universe will follow the Expanded Universe canon as that's the canon endorsed by the Frank Herbert estate
I remember the actor that played Bluto on Robin William's Popeye played this character in a 1984 Dune.
But it wasn't faithful to the book
Wow I didn't know that
@@Dim4323 The Baron was super cool in the 1984 film though, and really boring in the new one.
@@adamtennant4936the 84 Baron was comically pathetic. Denis' Baron is such a breath of fresh air. He is chilling, intimidating and calculating as he should be. The 84 Baron just reminds me of a circus clown.
@@harkonnen3672 Are you kidding? The scene where he pulls that slave's heart plug out and plays with the blood was so perverted and awesome! The new Baron is just boring. He really isn't chilling at all.
Good video goes in deep into the lore.
Its pure gold for us fans
Scion is pronounced Sy on. Great vid though I find watching your vids very relaxing
World-class video as ever!
GREAT choice of MUSIC!!!!!
I always wondered why Herbert used a finnish last name for the harkonens. I had no idea until today it was totally intentional😂
After watching your latest Dune video I’m compelled to rewatch all your other ones 👌
Strange to see that rewrite of the conception of lady jessica. All I remember from the books is that Harkonnen was into boys and that the only reason he got a daughter was "experimentation"in his youth, not a planned pregnancy on his part or rape. There was a scene where they tried to assacinate him by a needle under the skin in a boy he was going to rape. Not sure if the cousin was responsible.
Feyd and Hawat I think were responsible.
Because they are going off of those terrible prequels written by Brian Herbert. Garbage books.
@@anthonymaslow798 I never read those, but I guess they count as cannon now. It makes no logical sense though. More like fanfiction, same thing they do with old classic movies when they want to make more many years later.
I mean conceiving a child with a Bene Gesserit is always meant to be a loveless, practical affair. There's good reason Leo I only called Jessica his concubine and never his wife, even if he regretted it at the end.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Well not loveless obviously in all cases, there are at least two loving relationships there and some certainly married them but Leto was safer if people thought he could still marry into their family.
Bene Geserit would certainly know ho to manipulate the situation to get he seed they wanted early, even if they had to use a girl that reminded Harkonnen of a young boy to do it. Which I think is far more likely than some ideal woman tempting him with her femininity like the picture suggests.
THANKS NIAT!
Niaddddddd youre back!!!
Dude, thank you for these.
I’d love to see something from the crow or devil may cry:)
Id love to see you do a video on the Honered matres and or Miles teg, i think both heir stories are facinating.
Great video. Btw I finally saw the new Dune movie and I love it. It is an amazing movie.
The best thing about @filmcomicsexplained, is I can hit l the like button before even watching the video..
Fantastic vid as always and loved the history lesson dynamic! ✌️
@21:15 Baron Harkonnen: *"Think, Feyd!"*
I get that reference.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely...seems Vladimir is the epitomé of that in Dune.
Oddly enough both Paul's Grandmother's and Grandfather's plans did come true for their house. Plans within plans. Can you imagine what The Barron would have been like if he had accepted having a Reverend Mother as his Bene Gesserit consort living with him full time?
Yes. I say Yes to this. Please Cover Duncan Idaho 😎
Now(film comics voice) I don't usually comment..but this one was REAL GOOD..thx
Stellan Skarsgard scared the spice out of me as the Baron. Dictionary definition of malevolence this side of Sauron.
When I the Baron manipulating Alia, I think of the cool scene in the SciFi miniseries ‘Children of Dune’, where you see the Baron slowly taking over Alia.
Yeah!! NEW DUNE VID!!!
Would you do a review of the recentish Dune game. I saw that there were several screenshots from the game. Amazing content as always!
Love this channel keep up the great work
9:28 I love the way he looks there. I wanna be like Baron Vlad Harkonen. Making Rubber Spider Pets and junk. Love it !
Every time I see it I roll my eyes hard as I possibly can that they’ve made little personal force fields that repel anything moving quickly, but apparently forgot that a good hard plate stops stabbing weapons.
While you're moving around in heavy plated armour, how successful you think you will be against a nimble fast fighter that can juke around you and slice your exposed neck or other parts?
I love Dune! More Dune please!
gosh never realised the saga goes back in time. I read all the originals 40 years ago...
Love the video can you do the Blight from izombi and Mr Du'Met from the devil in me
Adding it to the list!
He’s just misunderstood 😢
/s
edit: despite the movie, I continue to pronounce Harkonnen the way you do 👍
Nah he is pretty awful though lol
Yeah. Skarsgard’s version is the most menacing of the ones I’ve seen.
"The Genocidal Tyrant of Dune", Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
I hope Harkonens get more time in part 2. Feyd Rautha is my favorite character from the book and I was sad he wasn't in part 1. House Harkonen has a very interesting game of houses plotline that isn't in either film versions.
Proper series with more houses involved could be nice. Ordos, IX and so on.
He's fairly prominent in the new trailer
@@johanstinsonlol
@@sk8ermGs what's so funny? Feyd is in the new trailer
@@johanstinson just that the guy must not have seen the trailer, unless it came out after his comment.
Did anyone else notice the Baron when he is really tall looks like a certain god emperor?
its ironic that the emperor had his biggest supporter (the house atreides) killed because of fear leading to his actually biggest rival (baron harkonnen) becoming unleashed.
Just found the channel. Great content. I would suggest getting a better mic though.
Hopefully in Dune Part 2 the Harkonnens get the same amount of screen time the Atredis got in Part 1.
Agree. Dune 2 should be Harkonnen focused as Dune 1 was Atreides focused.
bill portrayed this role to perfection,
New barron was perfect
Suggestion: Maya the shape-shifter from Space: 1999.
They broke alot of the surprisingly well done tension an plot/character development here when they cut off when did... CAN'T WAIT to see how the Atredies revenge goes when ridiculously sized sand worms drop off ENTIRE vengeance filled regiments of Paul's new Fedyken warrior forces to put the desert heat on the Harkkonnen an arrogant Sardakkaur forces
Gotta hand it to the Butlerian Jihad Book Trilogy though. It shows the story of a SUPREME level misunderstanding that made these 2 Houses come to hate each other so much an basically pull the literal rest of the universe into it too
The background of the name is kind of funny 😂
Finns accidentally antagonized
It's strange to think his plan only work cuz Atreides didn't have active patrols or it's army not wearing armor that is resistent to slashes.
The Atreides didn't even have ships on orbit as early warning. Even the USN at Pearl Harbor has ships patrolling the harbor during that fateful date.
That's what the doctor was for. He was an insider that made sure they didn't know The Harks where coming
@@AlexSDUit would have achieved nothing , they were betrayed from inside
@@cedriceric9730 It may not achieve anything but at least they wouldn't caught with their pants down like in the movie.
Even in peace time we have ships/planes on patrol or on standby.
Thing that bugs me about alia becoming possessed by vlad is I thought only men could access the male memories. that was the whole point of trying to create the kwisatz haderach
If I never saw Dune I would of thought this movie was action packed lol.
I kind it find it frustrating that the characters in the books repeatedly explain that the reason the emperor moved against Duke Leto is that the duke had created an army equal to “and some were even better,” than the Sardukar. Yet in the movies, the fight is always depicted as one-sided.
The screenshots from Eve reall threw me for a loop XD
I've tried reading the Dune series I made it through Messiah but I've got to be honest I didn't follow a lot of what I was reading. When Paul gets the dwarf I didn't understand one damn thing until the stone burner went off. Maybe you could do a chapter by chapter break down of the books for us who didn't follow because I can't be the only one that reads it and thinks "What just happened"
Its tough. You have to REALLY pay attention, and then reread it again. When i read im like,, what happened in the beginning of the conversation? Because by the end of it, my brain has absorbed so much I am lost. Also it gets really deep into philosophy and abstract ideas, that you kind of have to read into them a lot. Rereading chapters seems like the best strat but even then I don't think I will completely understand a lot of it.
@Ben LaDieu yep. That's what happens to me. I'll have to reread it thanks.
The Dune series is extremely overrated thanks to having 2, maybe 3 good books and then it goes downhill so hard, you're penetrating the ground and coming out the other side of the planet.
Will u still do cybersix and the oni from Urusei yatsura?
Can add that to the list now!
@@filmcomicsexplained I can't wait to see you masterfully explain it
The cinema release has the baron spitting on Leto, which is mysteriously removed from the Smithee version. Which is probably why Lynch disowned it.
Duke Leto Atriedes never marries the lady Jessica this is his greatest regret.
Them Eve online titans @ 6:05
I regret not watching this in iMaxx…
Can you please do a video on the keksis from the dark crystal?
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Must have solved the back-problem-encumberment
6:05 Eve online!
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