@@dragospahontu what does that have to do with accidents? Except for a few luxury RWD based architectures like BMW, most manufacturers mount the engines transverse, it allows for better packaging. (smaller engine bay = more interior and/or cargo space)
I wish they would have kept the 5 cylinder, it would have really helped keep the premium feel in a world of 4 cylinders. I absolutely love the 5 cylinder in my 850 and it sounds wonderful
What year 850 do you have, and what condition is it in? I had a 1994 850 sedan and sometimes I really miss that car. A lot of stuff needed fixing over the years but I always felt like the car would never give up on me. In the end I gave it to my father who then got rid of it because he was too old to drive anymore. It was 25 years old at that point, always driven in the northeast, and had no rust holes in the body. Volvo really made them good back then.
Dude, my 1997 850 is such a great car. Not quick, not really premium. But has been suuuuuper reliable for over 220k miles. That 5-cyl sounds awesome too. It's a great car to daily, and if you take care of it, it will take care of you!
@@Sklounst_Actual good question. Reliability statistics get published in Swedish journals too and Volvo does objectively not impress. I think most people, even Volvo fans, will admit that they are not the tractors they used to be. On the other hand Sweden is the land of the waggon, we like practicality and understatement, stylewise. So i think, on the whole, less than par reliability is somewhat forgiven on account of the pros. Plus there is the patriot factor: it's Swedish so it must be good. Although Volvo hasn't been Swedish for ages. The first, and now legendary, xc90 was, i think, the last Swedish Volvo. Based on the old 850 underpinnings. Then came Ford, and then Geely.
Mark hit the nail on the head. After owning 2 subarus in didnt want an outback that gets shittier every generation. Had my v60cc for 2+ years and its been excellent. Luckily no problems with infotainment.
Subaru Outback owner here. You hit the nail on the head. As I've aged and have more money, this car appeals to me. I just don't want to get used to new electronics.
I got an A4 Allroad recently after being Subie curious for some time. I had the money - but not E Wagon money - and don’t care for modern Outback styling. The A4 benefits from having less complications in the interior and suspension than the A6 and can hit a price point closer to a maxed out Outback anyway.
I have owned a t6 V90 since new and I can say I have never had any of these issues others have been talking about. One of the o2 sensors went out and that’s about it. It’s reliable, I think it’s fun to drive has decent fuel consumption and is pretty quick. Build quality is phenomenal. I don’t really know what else people are expecting. I think it rides great and has descent road feel for how well it rides? Rides better than my SL.
I agree - I had an XC70 - sold it at 140k - the only thing that went wrong (other than wear items) was a bad AC compressor & an alternator - both of which were replaced before they actually failed. Sold it because of the terrible fuel economy, which doesn't seem to have improved.
@@ckm-mkc it’s still not great. I usually only average 26-27 mpg if the traffic isn’t horrendous. The a/c system can have faults though rather it being the pressure switch or other items but it’s not a deal breaker
Here's the problem. People with issues always talk about them more than people that don't have them. It seems with Volvo, for some reason, people believe most new Volvos have issues. I don't think that's the case. Unfortunately, a certain amount do but I don't even think that's the minimum. I think they miss out on what makes Volvo feel kind of special. There's this reassuring calmness about it but it also can hold the road well. They're still solid, planted European cars. The ride quality is mostly serene, only on a few types of roads is it a bit jouncy. It is fairly sensitive to tire pressure so don't overinflate the tires. But the comfortable seats, very solid body structure, and just serene way it goes about its business in an unfussy environment makes it stand out, IMO.
Savagegeese's comments about "the steering is beyond dead, it's not particularly direct" and "this architecture is vastly dated compared to what the Germans are doing" then their general low level of excitement for a $50k-$60k car are what scare me. I guess I need to drive one. The Audi A4 is the alternative for me at this point, but the interior is smaller than I want.
@@andrewtaylor9799 test drive one for yourself and tell me what you think. the steering is direct but there isn’t a ton of feel. It’s not quite as driver centric or light on its feet compared to something like a Saab. But it does have lots of grip. The levels seem to be pretty high actually. It impressed me. There is more roll though, not a lot but I actually kind of like it. But you can definitely feel the car more in that respect if that’s what you are looking for.
Same. We’re on our second XC90 and its been largely bulletproof. Our first XC90 was a 2017 and it had an airbag failure replaced under warranty. Between the two (2017 and 2020, both T6, Inscription and R-Design) we’ve done 230K. Need to know what to look out for :)
@@TD-zc4zi My family loved Volvo until the change to the new platforms. My father bought a 2016 XC90 T6 Inscription brand new and 2 years into ownership it needed a full engine rebuild because a piston failed and cracked. Just this year, a seal on the rear gave out and flooded rainwater into the back end of the car. Volvo won't fix it under his extended warranty that they gave him after the engine rebuild because he had so many issues with it. The air suspension has been entirely replaced 4 times. It also constantly warps brake rotors like that's it's job lol. I have one of the I6 turbo S60 Polestars and a final year C70 with the I5 turbo and have never had any major issues. The newer XC90 my dad owns has been in the shop more than my 2 cars combined, and he has sometimes spent weeks with a loaner while they work on it. The most I've been without mine was one week when I hit a deer with my S60. The quality just isn't there anymore unfortunately.
Just bought one of these a couple of months ago. I agree with the sentiments of this video but would also add that this car is VERY quiet inside, very spacious cargo with rear seats down, and gets over 30 mpg on the highway with careful throttle moderation. The engine sounds fine and and does not detract from the experience the way most 4 cyl engines do. The transmission, while nothing special, does not get in the way and is not distracting, just the way an automatic should be. I think it rides decently, though I admit I have not experienced the air ride in the competition (ignorance is bliss I guess). I don't love the infotainment but now that it is Google Android based, hopefully we'll see some updates.
@@SW-ni8ls just turn up the Bowers & Wilkins. I have not experienced much wind noise at all below 85 mph in mine though and even then with B&W up to half volume I hear nothing from outside unless in a heavy rain.
The engine sounds "fine" to you. When I compare with my 5-cylinder from 2005, there is no comparison. On my test drives of the 2023s, when I hit the gas pedal from a stop, twice I looked around like someone had a low rider with loud exhaust, but it was my car. And the sound was very uneven. I am torn as to whether I could ever get used to it. I like hearing my engine roar - the current one, I would rather not hear it at all. Problem is, it can be heard sometimes and doesn't sound good, and 0.01 seconds later the sound goes away completely. Very uneven - hard to describe.
@@ophh28 I'd love to see this, too - factory adjustable Ohlins on a Volvo is pretty wicked, and I feel like the lack of advertising leads to people not even knowing they exist.
@@aprtur it's near the very top if not past it for a compact sedan. and those are ones with top of the line 350hp+ motors like the M340, Genesis G70 3.3, audi s4, c43
10:10 absolutely agree.. thats why I would buy a Volvo. I dont need a flashy merc/bmw/audi.. nor do I care about extreme handling & engine response.. I care about safety, comfort, sound quality, exterior/interior styling.. need nothing more..
The Subaru comparison exactly describes me but a couple generations older. Went from a 07 outback to a 09 XC70 and found out it’s nothing more than a better and more powerful version of an outback. That generation is very reliable and I’m keeping that car forever.
Yup! I've owned and driven many Subarus both new and old.. My first impression of my 21' XC60 is that it reminds me of an upmarket subaru! No complaints.
Jack had it right at 10:35-10:45. I have a V90CC, and it’s super serene, comfortable, great for the family and dog, and generally unpretentious. I cross-shopped the Audi Allroad but couldn’t tolerate the busy interior. No wonder Audi drivers are so aggressive. Let’s hope maintenance doesn’t become an issue after three years. Great review as always, and spot on.
As an owner of a 2021 V60CC with the standard T5 motor, and a car enthusiast. I agree the driving dynamics aren't class leading but this sleek wagon has well surpassed all our expectations with zero trouble, can't speak for this new drivetrain configuration though... It is the ultimate road trip car that can haul all your stuff plus meet most peoples towing needs such as motorcycles, jet skis, or a SxS. Not to mention it's a head turner and DIY maintenance isn't too difficult either! We bought out our lease.
I replaced a 2018 Tesla Model 3 with a '21 V60 CC. I put 12k miles on the Tesla in 23 months of "beta testing." While I miss the instant torque of the EV, I love that I have a proper operable tailgate, proper door handles and framed windows, a functional sun roof, and near triple the freeway range of the Tesla. The V60 is aesthetically brilliant in my eyes.. I test drove a dozen cars and landed on the V60, and I haven't regretted it for a day. I don't have the B&W audio, but my H-K system sounds nearly as good as the Tesla's. Note our other family car is a '22 BMW 340i: it's a beast, and I only wish they imported the estate version to the US [my search would have been brief!]. I purchased my V60 CC on 12/28/2020: MSRP $49830, my price $45330.
I'm one of those ex-Subaru owners tired of their transmissions, the gaming aesthetics, and cheap plastics. So I looked into the V60, the A4 and Mercedes wagons. I now have 20 K mi on my V60 T5, and I love it. The B&W system makes you smile every time. I had zero issues besides a jammed wiper motor in -30 F temps. Still, I would get a BMW 3 series wagon over the V60 if they were available in Canada. Another honest review. Thank you!
I have the 2020 version. I’m happy with it. I have 3 BMWs but really wanted a wagon. For ski trips, I can unload the roof box without a stepladder. And the all-wheel drive gets me to the mountain. I told my BMW sales manager, I’d have bought a 3 series touring if they were sold here in the United States.
I’m thinking about trading in my Lexus sedan for a used one. How do you feel about the infotainment? My Lexus one is pretty garbage but it also doesn’t require much input for me. It’s bare bones.
We've had a 1980 245 DL 5 speed, a 2005 V50 T5 AWD and now a 2015.5 V60 CC...I think the V60 was a the last year of the solidly reliable I-5 turbo and with its 6-speed auto (vs the V50's 5 speed); its much better suited to long distance highway touring at quieter, smoother lower RPMs. We certainly like it but are certainly dubious about replacing it with another one given recent Volvo reliability issues. Between the V50 and V60 CC, we had a new 2014 BMW 3 series Touring.....would love another one but alas, only "X" models here in the U.S.
We tag teamed a 1,900 mile trip from TX to CA in our Volvos - an XC40 T4 and XC90 Recharge - in just 2.5 days. Volvos are hands down some of the best cars for long trips. We were in 110°+ temps and had zero mechanical issues, AC kept up with outside heat, and the dynamic headlights performed insanely well driving over twisty mountain roads in the dark.
Also looking forward to that XC90 video. Had my eye on it for awhile now and found one that ticked all the boxes. Close to pulling the trigger since I’m getting a good deal.
@@alexnutcasio936 haha no, South Africa. It seems to be least complicated of the xc90 drivetrains. Lacklustre but appropriate for the job of a comfortable family van.
I miss when Volvo was still producing V8’s and inline 6’s, and making cars like the S60R with the 5 cylinder. That car was what attracted me to Volvo. Would love a video on that car.
I have 2014 XC70 diesel (like they all are here in Sweden). It has ran for 130k miles without issues so far but I felt it was getting old so I went to the dealer to check out these "new" volvos. Tested a V90cc and the XC60 and honestly I could not justify paying roughly $40k in between for one of those cars. They were not that much better, and fuel economy is just as bad. I think my XC70 will have to run until it is dead. Had one before this one and it did 230k miles before being taken out by an elk. Kept me safe though.
That’s my thought. I had an XC70 in-line six. Nothing Volvo now makes approaches the value I got on that car. Also, they depreciate like yellow bananas. It felt like I would be buying a Rover without the cool factor. I don’t trust the engine, the price is too high, and the seats are just good (the previous generation seats were better).
There's a lot of really good qualities here, like the seats, sound system, interior space, and refinement. I feel like a next gen platform/drivetrain will make this an amazing luxury appliance.
I really appreciate that these guys have saved me from seriously considering a Volvo purchase a couple times now. A close friend’s cautionary tale of Volvo ownership also helped save me.
My XC60 has been pretty solid. Yeah, more expensive to fix than a domestic. Rear head rests fold down to maximize rear visibility. Not a puny rear window. It’s no track car. But it is a car you like to get into every morning.
Couldn't agree more. My 2021 Xc60 is my first new Volvo but not my first experience with a Volvo. It has a similar overall feel to my friends moms early 2000s Volvos. That's why I hate when folks slam them for the chinese ownership. I'm already planning my next one.
Can't wait to hear about the XC90 issues. My wife has had two Volvos in the past five years and has been thrilled with both (XC40/ XC60), she experienced zero issues.
I feel personally attacked by the description of who would buy this 😅 When I got my Volvo last year those are all the primary reasons I was looking for. Unfortunately, there were no V60 Cross Country’s available so I went for an XC40 instead. While I’m not a big fan of the giant infotainment screen and little to no physical controls, I prefer it over the Subaru Outback’s screen, so it was a compromise to settle over. I’ve never had any problems with my XC40 - a T5 R-Design, and I don’t really expect to since I don’t treat it like a performance car, it’s meant to be a premium daily driver for people who want understated design and safety but like you said nicer materials than are in a Subaru.
When I was 15 my first car was a used POS 1984 Volvo 230 wagon, in silver. I delivered newspapers in the Buffalo winters until the engine blew up because I didn't know shit about oil changes. More than 20 years later and I bought a used 2020 V60CC after watching SG's first review of this model, in silver. This one has a warranty. I've owned the car for 18 months now and have to say this review is spot on. It's a great daily driver, with a timeless modern design, comfortable seats, and a great sound system, all for less than you would pay for the German competitors (at least what I paid). I was hoping this review would go into more detail about its safety features, including the beloved (by me) Pilot Assist, which I feel is not getting the attention it deserves. This is a semi-autonomous driving mode, that actually works and rivals others (GM, Tesla). I wouldn't own another daily driver that didn't have this feature. The safety sensors on this car are ridiculous. Just yesterday, I was nearly rear-ended on a highway off-ramp, the Volvo knew it and engaged the seatbelt pre-tensioners. That's when I noticed the Chevy Tahoe in my rearview window swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me at 60 mpg. Thanks Volvo!
I work for a Volvo stealership (I’m a porter so I do not commit any of the stealing) and having spent hours in these cars, everything here is completely correct. They’re like lower level Audis in the sense that they have beautiful and tactile interiors, little to no driver engagement, conservative styling, and that’s about it. Just a nice way for upper-middle class families to tootle around town in who for some reason don’t want a Merc or a BMW for a similar price. And yes, we always have T8s coming into our service centers with hybrid battery issues.
They are very good, but my Porsche 14-way seats are every bit as good (and one of the unheralded pluses to Porsches) -- fabulous on 7000-mile road trips!
I remember hearing years ago that a good bit of the seat R&D took place in burn units at hospitals, that pressure points on burn patients beds were extremely critical, and they took a lot of those learnings into account in seat design. I’m not sure how accurate that was, but it seemed legit at the time.
@@matthelms4167 yep, Volvo proudly advertises on their website they are the one car manufacturer who works with orthopedic doctors and designs them to be comfortable while also being safe in collisions, rollovers, or run off road scenarios. They also pioneered safer seats for female occupants as well as children. Unfortunately they've lost a bit of their edge lately as electronics take a bigger role in safety systems and other manufacturers can give them a run for their money. Still, I've been in an accident in my 2012 S60 and Volvo's experience shows. No whiplash, no back or neck injuries, and I was even able to drive the car home no problem. The structure didn't just absorb the hit, it deflected it away from me, saving me and my car. I still own it and daily drive it. I'll never be a fan or customer of new Volvo, though.
I custom ordered a V60CC last month over the Audi A4 Allroad and I have to agree with (nearly) everything that was said in the video. The Audi has the better engine, transmission, ride, and is actually cheaper when completely optioned out...but the car is cold as ice. The A4 Allroad has no personality, it's just a car. I needed a comfortable daily for the city and with the new infotainment/google maps built in, along with the BW audio...the Volvo delivers on that experience. But again, I'm an outlier because I have two (much) older BMWs if I ever wanted to experience any driver engagement.
Had a XC60 for 5 years. LOVE it. The only issue is the reliability and it was almost impossible to maintain by yourself, also the components are very expensive.
The thing is, what you don't like about it - is the case with almost every luxury car. An expensive car is going to have expensive components, period. And basically every car on earth today that is somewhat competetive is going to be a very advanced car that you don't want to work on yourself.
I owned a 21 V60 T8 and I'm surprised you would say to get the B5 over any of the other engine options. I actually traded by V60 T8 for an S60 B5 a few weeks ago for financial reasons. The T8 was FAR smoother than the B5. Maybe because I bought it from new and broke it in properly, everything engaged just right. I always consider myself a "car guy". But I guess I do like something soft and smooth instead of racy, and uniqueness is a huge factor in a purchase. In the end, I could care less about perfect reliability and just want something interesting. I'll say it again, I think the current generation Volvo V60 is one of the prettiest wagons ever made.
I have a 2019 Volvo V90 T6 AWD and my mom has a 2018 Volvo XC90 T5 AWD. Both of the cars have had zero issues aside from regular maintenance. Both cars have had premature brake wear (compared to other cars I've had), but we're both extremely happy with the cars. Extremely comfortable cars, good materials quality and great in the snow (we're in Canada). I'm surprised you've had so many issues. Its the opposite of our experience.
Revisting this video after owning my 2020 since new. All the points are valid but since i have the T5 with the old sensus system, ive had zero problems. I dont think the new ones are as good. Planning on keeping the car as long as possible
We have 2019 volvo xc60 t5 polestar engineered, and we haven't had any issues for the pass 3 years. The only down side is how expensive the replacement part are. We just had to get the brakes changed for the first time and you have to go to the dealership to buy the parts, because nothing from the local auto parts store will fit
Haha I don't understand how the Durango is even in your list, it's a polar opposite to all the vehicles you have listed. Dodge doesn't exactly compete with Audi. Big rough plastic interior truck vs refined luxury vehicles :) Nothing against Dodge, they're cheaper for a reason and not everyone cares about refinement, just pointing out how cross-shopping between a Dodge and some luxury vehicles seems a bit strange...
The Durango is so dated. I was looking at it in 2011 and actually really liked it a lot. But ended up getting a Mercedes’ gl450 bc Mercedes’ offers great lease deals and it was cheaper than a Durango lease.
I love that you put the Durango in there. The Hemi versions of the D have such an emotional appeal with the sound and power. None of the other SUVs listed have that. I guess the X5 does, but at double the price and likely 4x the repair costs once out of warranty.
@@bassandtrebleclef Right? I drove a regular RT trim and didn't have any complaints. It was big, comfy, had uconnect which is super fast and easy to use, and the 5.7 was just plain enjoyable to drive. The sound and feel of effortless, naturally aspirated acceleration is worth something in my book. I would have bought it if I didn't get the deal I did on my I6 S60 Polestar.
Sold my 2020 Tacoma an 2019 Bullitt when my back went out for a s60 T6 polestar optimized. Needed 2 surgeries and 8mo Pt. This cars seats and ergonomics for a 6’4” former lineman I swear got me back to work a month sooner. They fit, are supportive, adjust in all the right places. If you want Luxury first Volvo is the only way to go on any SPA car.
Great video. Getting ready to pull trigger on replacing a a late 2010s Outback with new one, but balancing the price jump for the V60 XC. You nailed the customer considering this switch
Its a car for people that dont need to drive a bmw or merc. People that dont need to show off the neigbours. People that have arrived. Its for people that dont need to have the latest tech. how often do you look at the screen to notice the ppi? It has android automitive so a good satnav. it has the best audio system available on the market. Its for people who know where they are going and dont need to be there at a certain time and can enjoy the drive and value the feeling of safety. Plus its from sweden so perfect for bad weather driving too. Its what the german brands used to be. (okay its a small company so yeah its a dated platform, theres room for improvement) I have a C-Class wagon and would love to switch to an V90CC. Why? because im in a comfortable position in life right now. i dont need a "thrilling driving experience that challenges my senses" or whatever marketing comes up with today. I want a comfortable car, thats quiet, with a good sound system that gets me places in elegance and comfort. Volvo gives me that.
I love my 2021 Xc60 R design. At first it reminded me of a newer, more expensive Subaru in the way it drove. The more time I've spent with it the more I enjoy it. The seats aren't comfy like grandma's sofa, but over an entire day in the car they are sublime. Mine has the HK sound and it's far from amazing. Good enough, but not even comparable to the bose systems in Audi and/or GM vehicles IMO. I'm considering my next vehicle, I may special order an XC60 and go with PHEV, Air ride, B&W etc. I've owned many new vehicles including Audi, BMW & MB and i've never felt safer then I do inside my volvo. I love the Volvo content you guys create. Please try to get your hands on a 2023 Xc90 Phev!
10000% agree with Jack when he says: "The person buying this, has an aversion to SUV's and wants to be slightly different!" YES! ME! As a former Volvo salesman, I confirm that most owners who did not want an SUV opted for the V90 Cross Country and then, the V60 Cross Country. Where I disagree with Jack, is when he compares it to the BMW and other markets. We do not have the privilege of choice here in North America, so it is hard to do a proper comparaison. Back in 2018, we DID have a cross competition drive with the BMW 3 series wagon, Mercedes C300 4Matic and the V60 was the superior overall. The BMW was a different animal in terms of feedback, BMW is hard to beat on that aspect... but with some serious trade off. The C300 Wagon was all about the badge and felt overall cheap and you would not get much for your money. When equipped with a very close comparaison to the V60, it was a solid 10-12K more for the Benz.. If I happen to stumble upon some money, i'd get me a pre-owned 2019 V90 Cross Country with the Bowers and Wilkins. I will deal with the possible T6 related issues, but having drive the T5 in the V90XC, It lacks some umph!
in europe we have small roads and small parking places. The V90 cross is a nice big car, but a bastard to turn around and fit places. So we opted for this too - and it makes more sense also when the road gets really bad or in snow. they both have 200 ish mm ground clearence and we can say confidently that it plows through better than any skoda (including codiaq). The price drops like a stone - a 2 year old car can be had 30-40% cheaper already.
We have prior body-style and my wife loves it. It's good looking and has been completely reliable, and definitely a better value over a Benz or BMW (if you can find on in the US), the All-Road was the only other wagon we consdered.
Nice objective review! I love everything about Volvos except that middle infotainment area. It is literally a deal-killer for me. I can't stand the look of it and knowing how laggy it is, the Volvo is off the list. I hope they update it soon. I'd love to get in a Volvo again someday.
very feminine ... obviously designed by women for women... one of the rare gaudy things in some of these Volvo trims... thankfully, I got the leather-wrapped gear lever in my 2022 XC60 R-Design.
Something awful do you mean? I’m about to pull the trigger on one of these to replace my ‘14 XC60 D5 and that awful bling is the one thing my wife comments negatively on every time - and I don’t blame her!
I completely disagree with break downs, I agree that older air ride suspension was worst tuned suspension ever... I own a 2018 T6 inscription with 75000 miles and it never broke down on me other than a leaked AC system which was taken care under warranty !
The older V60CC was one of my favorite cars. Driving it I loved the feel of the drive, I loved that I felt at home with all four corners. I knew where this car was at all times. I felt I could drive the CC blindfolded. I would never own it. Too many problems with the vehicle, expensive to maintain and good luck finding someone to service it. But, it is really one of my favorite vehicles.
Hit the nail on the head I have a ‘22 v60 Cc with 13k miles Primary reason I bought is I hate SUVs and need a family friendly car that is SAFE. If you plan correctly you can fit a ton of stuff in this car for a road trip. And as you say, it is definitely not a “shitbox” perfect for a 20-30 minute daily commute. Agreed if you are looking for performance this is not the car for you but if you just need something that works, is reliable and safe but also gives you a nice ride and audio system this is a great car. For the money I spent - 4/5. It’s not the happiest I’ve been with a car but I’m satisfied.
Waiting to take delivery of mine in December. Wanted to like the new Outback, but I have the money and this is a better choice for me now. Also Audi seats don't like me.
1. I love your 💩🤬 candidness. You just don’t mince words and I appreciate that. 2. As a long-term US Volvo owner (2005 S40 R-design, 2006 XC70 (my all time fave), 2013 XC60 R). If I had to replace my xc60, I’d highly consider the V60 XC. Totally didn’t realize that that they were still on the old school SPA. I haven’t test drove a V60XC, but my 2013 xc60 is still running well at 116k miles, and I’ll keep if forever since I’ve turned it into my “beater car” for kitesurfing, SUP, biking, etc,. (Most importantly, it’s paid off!) 3. From what I’ve seen, there main complaints are about the Google Automative that it’s a deal-breaker for me, since I’m an Apple CarPlay guy. I get it from Volvo - they wanted to be early adopters, but killing any Apple CarPlay from the outset was a dumb move by their product team. I was “ok” with Sensus, and maybe they should have pimped it up more. Once Volvo sorts their 💩 out and comes out with a solid reliable full time EV (I’ll keep tabs over the next few years), I’ll probably be at the position where I need to upgrade.
CarPlay still can be launched. The issue is the base software. I'd rather have a vehicle OEM software for the "base car functions" rather than Apple or Google. Sensus just needed to be faster. Google Automotive is crap. Not to be confused with Android Auto, which is great
I disagree on one point. BMW's are a maintenance nightmare. Just too expensive to maintain. Audi's have quality issues. My Volvo is cheap to maintain (as long as I stay away from the dealer, lol). However, the IPD rear sway bar is almost like mandatory (w/ new bushings as well) on these cars. They are so stiff. I did the Polestar software and the handling does not keep up with the performance.
My mom owns a 2016 XC90 T6 R design and she’s had it for about 4 years, it’s sitting at 90k miles and she hasn’t had a single problem with it other than having to replace the brakes and being annoyed with the screen being laggy sometimes.
When I test drove the XC60, V60 and V60 Polestar, in all of them I was disappointed with the 4-cylinder compared with my V70 2.5T LPT. The sound of it under load is very underwhelming. The transmission behavior is also. This review is outstanding IMO - gives a very comprehensive review of pros and cons.
Everyone I know who has had a Volvo had their engine catastrophically fail between 20,000 and 130,000 miles. Imagine burning a quart of oil a week and be told that's "normal" and then caboom! Your 60,000$+ car is now scrap because the repair costs are the price of a new car.
I have 20 year old S80T6 with 171,000 miles on it. Didn't happen to me. This idea that Volvo are only unreliable just isn't true. Some are very reliable, others are very unreliable, most are reasonably reliable.
The old ones were definitely reliable, however the new ones simply are not. Marks was a nightmare and other people I know with modern Volvos have had a similar experience. Way too much complication with very little benefits.
@@dannykelly3617 That's not the case. Not all the old Volvos were reliable. I've owned Volvos for decades and there were always Volvos that had issues and others that were more reliable. Even the 240, when it first came out, had issues. Not all modern Volvos are bad. This is something said every generation of new Volvos. Somehow the older ones are always better but those older ones were newer at one time and people were saying then the older ones were better. AFAIC, the newest ones are the best. They are the most crashworthy, have the best road manners, and are the most up-to-date. Sure, there are some things I like better about older ones but each generation has some improvement in how they drive and feel. A lot of people have current-gen Volvos and you don't hear that much about the ones that work well. You tend to hear about the ones that don't.
These are total lease-mobiles. Buying an off-lease example would be a bold strategy, Cotton. At least the audio will sound awesome while you're waiting for AAA to arrive.
Man, wish we could've seen more of that little shifter, who did they contract with on making it, Moen!? Or maybe Delta? Looks very residential bathroom...
I love Volvo wagons, but the cross country trim ruins the looks. Normal wagon, a little lower than stock, and with the T6 engine would be great... if only I could find a V60 or V90 like this at a reasonable price. Or like you said, a B58 wagon in the US!
many more Americans have bought the Cross Country wagons (including myself) than the non-lifted Volvo wagons because they are more practical (and many like myself prefer the Cross Country look) -- which is why you can only special order the non-lifted wagons any more in the US (and not sure you can even get a non-lifted V90 CC wagon any more here).
I think what they failed to focus on though it was mentioned earlier is that this is literally a holdover vehicle. You’ll see in just a few days what Volvo has been up to with the new EX90.
John won. Why is Goose doing the final thoughts segment? I thought those was the rules. Volvo wagons are always at the top of whatever list you come up with. (well besides Miata's) Great vid.
It's hard to see why I'd want this over a loaded Outback. I don't get the shitbox slam, I've been test driving various newer Outbacks with my girlfriend lately and they seem like a ton of vehicle for the money, well-built with solid materials for the price.
I have the previous generation V60. 216 000 km / 134 000 miles on the odometer and 0 faults so far 😎 2.0L diesel! Just rev it out once in a while and oil change every 15k km/9k miles 👍🏻 I don't understand the jokes about Volvos breaking down. Here in Finland Volvos are invincible, maybe they come from different factories? Or then the newer ones just suck lol
Many of my North Shore neighbors drive Volvos. Large majority are leased and its 2 years and 20K miles and they're out. Rinse and repeat. They know that they're generally troublesome so they lease. Drive by any Whole Foods or running store and you'll see a Volvo.
Last October I drove a Rental V60 diesel hybrid flat out around the Nurburgring. Honestly not bad but the snow tires were a let down. Brakes were questionable by the end of lap 2
Shame beige interiors are so hard to find and when I say *interior* I don't mean just seats but the whole lot, from doors, panels to roof. At least back how you could spec full light interiors on older P1 and P2 Volvo's.
@@baronvonjo1929sure it's not for everyone. I've had mine for some 16 years and still looks lovely. Sure if you get it dirty it shows up easier but that's why you take extra care not to step in with muddy boots. Most importantly light interiors doesn't burn you skin when you sit in a hot summers day compared to a dark interior. I can't go back.
Wondered why you switched to the M5 after the XC90 love affair with detailing, etc. (4:13). Would like to hear a follow-up but assume that would hurt you chances of getting future V’s.
@@markmiller3279 That would make sense. I thought that when they reviewed the Jeep GC that Jack mentioned to Mark about his X5 but the X7 would certainly haul more equipment.
I have a 2019 S60 T8, love most of everything about it but the vibration and the rattle are two of the few things I don't like about my car whenever it's sitting idle with the engine on. Even with the auto-start-stop turned on, the car just refuses to shut its engine sometimes maybe because it's just had its engine turned on and wants to run it for a bit or it needs to run the HVAC or whatever. However, when I'm running in pure EV, it's as still and quiet as the car had been turned off. Maybe that's one of the improvements Volvo did from the T series to the B series with the 48V mild hybrid system.
I feel seen. I'm a Subaru Impreza owner and I rented one of these in Miami and drove it up to near Daytona and back. It's a really pleasant cruiser, the seats are great. I loved it but honesty the maintenance problems scare me. With a move to electric they'd get awd for free but I bet they don't want to have to certify a new chassis design.
Im a truck driver and I see people getting into terrible accidents on the road and this is why I chose to put my family in a Volvo❤
This is also why Volvo mounts its engines transversely.
@@dragospahontu what does that have to do with accidents? Except for a few luxury RWD based architectures like BMW, most manufacturers mount the engines transverse, it allows for better packaging. (smaller engine bay = more interior and/or cargo space)
@@dragospahontu volvo was actually late to the transverse engine game lol
@@ShaiyanHossain yes, but that's why they changed
So that they could get stranded on the side of the road in an unreliable piece of crap? Seems counterproductive.
I wish they would have kept the 5 cylinder, it would have really helped keep the premium feel in a world of 4 cylinders. I absolutely love the 5 cylinder in my 850 and it sounds wonderful
What year 850 do you have, and what condition is it in? I had a 1994 850 sedan and sometimes I really miss that car. A lot of stuff needed fixing over the years but I always felt like the car would never give up on me. In the end I gave it to my father who then got rid of it because he was too old to drive anymore. It was 25 years old at that point, always driven in the northeast, and had no rust holes in the body. Volvo really made them good back then.
I wish they kept the bright dashboard options from the P2 and P3 generations. Now you only have black dashboard.
Dude, my 1997 850 is such a great car. Not quick, not really premium. But has been suuuuuper reliable for over 220k miles. That 5-cyl sounds awesome too.
It's a great car to daily, and if you take care of it, it will take care of you!
i had until recently a v70 5 cylinder and it did 570.000km without problems. sadly the transmission had issues, but what a great engine that was
@@modernbear7172 Mine is a 1997 and its in decent condition with no immediate repairs needed to drive it, but plenty I can still do to it
Here in Sweden this is first and foremost a company fleet car. For that it is almost perfect. A roomy, classy and unengaging mile-muncher.
hehe muncher
And the best thing about it being a company fleet car, you don’t have to pay for maintenance lol
It's sweet. But the unpainted plastic looks cheap.
Are the current powertrains regarded as reliable in Sweden?
@@Sklounst_Actual good question. Reliability statistics get published in Swedish journals too and Volvo does objectively not impress. I think most people, even Volvo fans, will admit that they are not the tractors they used to be. On the other hand Sweden is the land of the waggon, we like practicality and understatement, stylewise. So i think, on the whole, less than par reliability is somewhat forgiven on account of the pros. Plus there is the patriot factor: it's Swedish so it must be good. Although Volvo hasn't been Swedish for ages. The first, and now legendary, xc90 was, i think, the last Swedish Volvo. Based on the old 850 underpinnings. Then came Ford, and then Geely.
Mark hit the nail on the head. After owning 2 subarus in didnt want an outback that gets shittier every generation. Had my v60cc for 2+ years and its been excellent. Luckily no problems with infotainment.
Yup, that's exact reason I didn't buy a Subaru.
Honestly subarus marketing deserves credit. They are cheaply built cars.
yeah.. stop buying subaru
Subaru is a more affordable option. And with that comes the sacrifices to trim and finish. But I would still get one any day over a Volvo.
After like 4-5 Subarus I’m driving a V70 volvo. Way better in all aspects except for gas mileage
Subaru Outback owner here. You hit the nail on the head.
As I've aged and have more money, this car appeals to me.
I just don't want to get used to new electronics.
I got an A4 Allroad recently after being Subie curious for some time. I had the money - but not E Wagon money - and don’t care for modern Outback styling.
The A4 benefits from having less complications in the interior and suspension than the A6 and can hit a price point closer to a maxed out Outback anyway.
Keep your Subaru. Less plastic engine parts.
@@rgwebb2008 "subie curious" I'm gonna steal this one. I don't know when I'll use it, but I won't give you credit.
@@MrMentos876 I claim no ownership and am owed no credit.
Went from an 07 outback to a 09 Volvo and couldn’t be happier, but don’t know much about these newer ones
I have owned a t6 V90 since new and I can say I have never had any of these issues others have been talking about. One of the o2 sensors went out and that’s about it. It’s reliable, I think it’s fun to drive has decent fuel consumption and is pretty quick. Build quality is phenomenal. I don’t really know what else people are expecting. I think it rides great and has descent road feel for how well it rides? Rides better than my SL.
I agree - I had an XC70 - sold it at 140k - the only thing that went wrong (other than wear items) was a bad AC compressor & an alternator - both of which were replaced before they actually failed. Sold it because of the terrible fuel economy, which doesn't seem to have improved.
@@ckm-mkc it’s still not great. I usually only average 26-27 mpg if the traffic isn’t horrendous. The a/c system can have faults though rather it being the pressure switch or other items but it’s not a deal breaker
Here's the problem. People with issues always talk about them more than people that don't have them. It seems with Volvo, for some reason, people believe most new Volvos have issues. I don't think that's the case. Unfortunately, a certain amount do but I don't even think that's the minimum.
I think they miss out on what makes Volvo feel kind of special. There's this reassuring calmness about it but it also can hold the road well. They're still solid, planted European cars. The ride quality is mostly serene, only on a few types of roads is it a bit jouncy. It is fairly sensitive to tire pressure so don't overinflate the tires. But the comfortable seats, very solid body structure, and just serene way it goes about its business in an unfussy environment makes it stand out, IMO.
Savagegeese's comments about "the steering is beyond dead, it's not particularly direct" and "this architecture is vastly dated compared to what the Germans are doing" then their general low level of excitement for a $50k-$60k car are what scare me. I guess I need to drive one. The Audi A4 is the alternative for me at this point, but the interior is smaller than I want.
@@andrewtaylor9799 test drive one for yourself and tell me what you think. the steering is direct but there isn’t a ton of feel. It’s not quite as driver centric or light on its feet compared to something like a Saab. But it does have lots of grip. The levels seem to be pretty high actually. It impressed me. There is more roll though, not a lot but I actually kind of like it. But you can definitely feel the car more in that respect if that’s what you are looking for.
I would love to listen to the story of your XC90 after following your decision to buy it over a year ago.
He already made that video: th-cam.com/video/7z_RSz64LC0/w-d-xo.html
Same. We’re on our second XC90 and its been largely bulletproof. Our first XC90 was a 2017 and it had an airbag failure replaced under warranty. Between the two (2017 and 2020, both T6, Inscription and R-Design) we’ve done 230K. Need to know what to look out for :)
@@TD-zc4zi My family loved Volvo until the change to the new platforms. My father bought a 2016 XC90 T6 Inscription brand new and 2 years into ownership it needed a full engine rebuild because a piston failed and cracked. Just this year, a seal on the rear gave out and flooded rainwater into the back end of the car. Volvo won't fix it under his extended warranty that they gave him after the engine rebuild because he had so many issues with it. The air suspension has been entirely replaced 4 times. It also constantly warps brake rotors like that's it's job lol. I have one of the I6 turbo S60 Polestars and a final year C70 with the I5 turbo and have never had any major issues. The newer XC90 my dad owns has been in the shop more than my 2 cars combined, and he has sometimes spent weeks with a loaner while they work on it. The most I've been without mine was one week when I hit a deer with my S60. The quality just isn't there anymore unfortunately.
@@ajman174 oft and people give Alfa Romeo a hard time!
@@jacopo952 Alfa deserves it. They're dead last in just about all brand reliability ratings, and they haven't shown improvement.
Just bought one of these a couple of months ago. I agree with the sentiments of this video but would also add that this car is VERY quiet inside, very spacious cargo with rear seats down, and gets over 30 mpg on the highway with careful throttle moderation. The engine sounds fine and and does not detract from the experience the way most 4 cyl engines do. The transmission, while nothing special, does not get in the way and is not distracting, just the way an automatic should be. I think it rides decently, though I admit I have not experienced the air ride in the competition (ignorance is bliss I guess). I don't love the infotainment but now that it is Google Android based, hopefully we'll see some updates.
A lot of wind noise imo
@@SW-ni8ls just turn up the Bowers & Wilkins. I have not experienced much wind noise at all below 85 mph in mine though and even then with B&W up to half volume I hear nothing from outside unless in a heavy rain.
@@SW-ni8ls I got a '20 a week ago and I kind of agree. I think it's the mirrors. I just turn up the music lol. Love the CC though.
The engine sounds "fine" to you. When I compare with my 5-cylinder from 2005, there is no comparison. On my test drives of the 2023s, when I hit the gas pedal from a stop, twice I looked around like someone had a low rider with loud exhaust, but it was my car. And the sound was very uneven. I am torn as to whether I could ever get used to it. I like hearing my engine roar - the current one, I would rather not hear it at all. Problem is, it can be heard sometimes and doesn't sound good, and 0.01 seconds later the sound goes away completely. Very uneven - hard to describe.
A Geese video is the only good thing to come in a Monday morning. Thank you Gentlemen
On Volvo, any plans for a Polestar review?
@@ophh28 I'd love to see this, too - factory adjustable Ohlins on a Volvo is pretty wicked, and I feel like the lack of advertising leads to people not even knowing they exist.
$63k for a wagon is high…but makes a lot more sense than the $50k I saw for a 2022 Chevy Blazer. 😮
It's honestly not that crazy - it's the mid way point between a compact luxury sedan and an SUV.
@@aprtur it's near the very top if not past it for a compact sedan. and those are ones with top of the line 350hp+ motors like the M340, Genesis G70 3.3, audi s4, c43
@@papa_pt yes, but a V60 CC starts at $49,000.
..$63k would be close to fully loaded, which those sedans would be close to breaching also.
holy shit, I spent maybe 3 minutes on the spec-it page for the Blazer, and I can't believe that Chevy would sell you a $54,000 Blazer xD
That much for a Chevy? OMG.
Jack has brought so much to this channel. You both make a great team, and appreciate the different povs that wrap in a very well rounded summary.
I still love my 2020 V60CC, I'd buy another one in a heartbeat when the time comes.
10:10
absolutely agree..
thats why I would buy a Volvo.
I dont need a flashy merc/bmw/audi..
nor do I care about extreme handling & engine response..
I care about safety, comfort, sound quality, exterior/interior styling..
need nothing more..
No you wouldn’t, and nobody will pay 63k for a mediocre wagon. New Volvos are junk, look at the sales figures.
@@epicurusgod genesis is junk
@@AAhmad3449 LOVE MY 2018 P3 DRIVE-E V60 XC
The Subaru comparison exactly describes me but a couple generations older. Went from a 07 outback to a 09 XC70 and found out it’s nothing more than a better and more powerful version of an outback. That generation is very reliable and I’m keeping that car forever.
Yup! I've owned and driven many Subarus both new and old.. My first impression of my 21' XC60 is that it reminds me of an upmarket subaru! No complaints.
I love my 09 XC70, the pure strength and solidness you feel in the vehicle (with the T6) is beyond incredible
Jack had it right at 10:35-10:45. I have a V90CC, and it’s super serene, comfortable, great for the family and dog, and generally unpretentious. I cross-shopped the Audi Allroad but couldn’t tolerate the busy interior. No wonder Audi drivers are so aggressive. Let’s hope maintenance doesn’t become an issue after three years. Great review as always, and spot on.
As an owner of a 2021 V60CC with the standard T5 motor, and a car enthusiast. I agree the driving dynamics aren't class leading but this sleek wagon has well surpassed all our expectations with zero trouble, can't speak for this new drivetrain configuration though... It is the ultimate road trip car that can haul all your stuff plus meet most peoples towing needs such as motorcycles, jet skis, or a SxS. Not to mention it's a head turner and DIY maintenance isn't too difficult either! We bought out our lease.
I replaced a 2018 Tesla Model 3 with a '21 V60 CC. I put 12k miles on the Tesla in 23 months of "beta testing." While I miss the instant torque of the EV, I love that I have a proper operable tailgate, proper door handles and framed windows, a functional sun roof, and near triple the freeway range of the Tesla. The V60 is aesthetically brilliant in my eyes.. I test drove a dozen cars and landed on the V60, and I haven't regretted it for a day. I don't have the B&W audio, but my H-K system sounds nearly as good as the Tesla's. Note our other family car is a '22 BMW 340i: it's a beast, and I only wish they imported the estate version to the US [my search would have been brief!]. I purchased my V60 CC on 12/28/2020: MSRP $49830, my price $45330.
I'm one of those ex-Subaru owners tired of their transmissions, the gaming aesthetics, and cheap plastics. So I looked into the V60, the A4 and Mercedes wagons. I now have 20 K mi on my V60 T5, and I love it. The B&W system makes you smile every time. I had zero issues besides a jammed wiper motor in -30 F temps. Still, I would get a BMW 3 series wagon over the V60 if they were available in Canada. Another honest review. Thank you!
Just got a CPO 2021 V60 CC two months ago. Loving it so far
I have the 2020 version. I’m happy with it. I have 3 BMWs but really wanted a wagon. For ski trips, I can unload the roof box without a stepladder. And the all-wheel drive gets me to the mountain. I told my BMW sales manager, I’d have bought a 3 series touring if they were sold here in the United States.
@Steven Strain bmw is probably like: but wie sell suvs fir americans
I’m thinking about trading in my Lexus sedan for a used one. How do you feel about the infotainment? My Lexus one is pretty garbage but it also doesn’t require much input for me. It’s bare bones.
We've had a 1980 245 DL 5 speed, a 2005 V50 T5 AWD and now a 2015.5 V60 CC...I think the V60 was a the last year of the solidly reliable I-5 turbo and with its 6-speed auto (vs the V50's 5 speed); its much better suited to long distance highway touring at quieter, smoother lower RPMs. We certainly like it but are certainly dubious about replacing it with another one given recent Volvo reliability issues. Between the V50 and V60 CC, we had a new 2014 BMW 3 series Touring.....would love another one but alas, only "X" models here in the U.S.
@@Murgledoo trading a Lexus for a Volvo.....seek help
Thanks for being clear on the driving experience. So few wagons in the US these days. I pine for the old VW Alltrack.
We tag teamed a 1,900 mile trip from TX to CA in our Volvos - an XC40 T4 and XC90 Recharge - in just 2.5 days. Volvos are hands down some of the best cars for long trips. We were in 110°+ temps and had zero mechanical issues, AC kept up with outside heat, and the dynamic headlights performed insanely well driving over twisty mountain roads in the dark.
Looking forward to XC90 video. I bought one because of SG review… but Diesel & extended warranty. So far so good.
Also looking forward to that XC90 video. Had my eye on it for awhile now and found one that ticked all the boxes. Close to pulling the trigger since I’m getting a good deal.
Same here
You didn't buy a diesel in the US though.....
@@alexnutcasio936 haha no, South Africa. It seems to be least complicated of the xc90 drivetrains. Lacklustre but appropriate for the job of a comfortable family van.
I miss when Volvo was still producing V8’s and inline 6’s, and making cars like the S60R with the 5 cylinder. That car was what attracted me to Volvo. Would love a video on that car.
A review on the S60R with a 5-cylinder would make people pine for the past. How useful would that be for the present?
I would buy this just for the seats and audio system alone.
Sounds nice. Never leave the garage; just sit in it and enjoy your music.
Test drive it first, Volvo seats make my back hurt on long trips.
@@ckm-mkc every car does that
@@ckm-mkc for the price they don't get better
@@slent5346 my 96 Camaro Z28 6 speed manual convertible had very comfortable seats, and they basically reclined all the way back to lay down
I have 2014 XC70 diesel (like they all are here in Sweden). It has ran for 130k miles without issues so far but I felt it was getting old so I went to the dealer to check out these "new" volvos. Tested a V90cc and the XC60 and honestly I could not justify paying roughly $40k in between for one of those cars. They were not that much better, and fuel economy is just as bad. I think my XC70 will have to run until it is dead. Had one before this one and it did 230k miles before being taken out by an elk. Kept me safe though.
That’s my thought. I had an XC70 in-line six. Nothing Volvo now makes approaches the value I got on that car. Also, they depreciate like yellow bananas. It felt like I would be buying a Rover without the cool factor. I don’t trust the engine, the price is too high, and the seats are just good (the previous generation seats were better).
@@nunyabidness3075is fuel economy not good?
@@benohanlon AFAIK, it’s as stated. The problem is fuel economy isn’t a major expense. Depreciation, including taxes, is the real cost.
@@nunyabidness3075 was thinking of buying a few years old, like 2019?
@@benohanlon I’d make sure I got a good deal and every service was done on time at the dealership.
There's a lot of really good qualities here, like the seats, sound system, interior space, and refinement. I feel like a next gen platform/drivetrain will make this an amazing luxury appliance.
Hit the nail on the head about past Subaru owners liking these cars, that was my exact progression from an Impreza to an XC60, and I do love it!
Right!? I switched from an Outback to the XC70 wagon.
I really appreciate that these guys have saved me from seriously considering a Volvo purchase a couple times now. A close friend’s cautionary tale of Volvo ownership also helped save me.
My XC60 has been pretty solid. Yeah, more expensive to fix than a domestic. Rear head rests fold down to maximize rear visibility. Not a puny rear window. It’s no track car. But it is a car you like to get into every morning.
Couldn't agree more. My 2021 Xc60 is my first new Volvo but not my first experience with a Volvo. It has a similar overall feel to my friends moms early 2000s Volvos. That's why I hate when folks slam them for the chinese ownership. I'm already planning my next one.
I said it before as well in your previous video. I have a 2018 Volvo S90 T6 70k miles, no issues so far.
I really appreciate comments regarding reliability - a topic few reviewers dare to touch.
34.000 km on a 2021 T5, zero issues. It drives like the first day.
@@adrianm.1910 at 34.000 it better drive like the first day. That's not a measure of reliability.
Can't wait to hear about the XC90 issues. My wife has had two Volvos in the past five years and has been thrilled with both (XC40/ XC60), she experienced zero issues.
I feel personally attacked by the description of who would buy this 😅 When I got my Volvo last year those are all the primary reasons I was looking for. Unfortunately, there were no V60 Cross Country’s available so I went for an XC40 instead. While I’m not a big fan of the giant infotainment screen and little to no physical controls, I prefer it over the Subaru Outback’s screen, so it was a compromise to settle over.
I’ve never had any problems with my XC40 - a T5 R-Design, and I don’t really expect to since I don’t treat it like a performance car, it’s meant to be a premium daily driver for people who want understated design and safety but like you said nicer materials than are in a Subaru.
When I was 15 my first car was a used POS 1984 Volvo 230 wagon, in silver. I delivered newspapers in the Buffalo winters until the engine blew up because I didn't know shit about oil changes. More than 20 years later and I bought a used 2020 V60CC after watching SG's first review of this model, in silver. This one has a warranty. I've owned the car for 18 months now and have to say this review is spot on. It's a great daily driver, with a timeless modern design, comfortable seats, and a great sound system, all for less than you would pay for the German competitors (at least what I paid). I was hoping this review would go into more detail about its safety features, including the beloved (by me) Pilot Assist, which I feel is not getting the attention it deserves. This is a semi-autonomous driving mode, that actually works and rivals others (GM, Tesla). I wouldn't own another daily driver that didn't have this feature. The safety sensors on this car are ridiculous. Just yesterday, I was nearly rear-ended on a highway off-ramp, the Volvo knew it and engaged the seatbelt pre-tensioners. That's when I noticed the Chevy Tahoe in my rearview window swerve at the last second to avoid hitting me at 60 mpg. Thanks Volvo!
I work for a Volvo stealership (I’m a porter so I do not commit any of the stealing) and having spent hours in these cars, everything here is completely correct. They’re like lower level Audis in the sense that they have beautiful and tactile interiors, little to no driver engagement, conservative styling, and that’s about it. Just a nice way for upper-middle class families to tootle around town in who for some reason don’t want a Merc or a BMW for a similar price. And yes, we always have T8s coming into our service centers with hybrid battery issues.
The base version of this wagon is a pretty solid luxury proposition for around $53k
If you can find one. My local dealers only have the SUV's.
Volvo seats are amazing. Why other car manufacturers don’t benchmark Volvo’s seats is a mystery.
Lexus is getting there, but Volvo's seats definitely have something special about them
They are very good, but my Porsche 14-way seats are every bit as good (and one of the unheralded pluses to Porsches) -- fabulous on 7000-mile road trips!
@@cbatiau2528 the problem there is we're talking about another stratosphere of price. I wouldn't call that a fair comparison
I remember hearing years ago that a good bit of the seat R&D took place in burn units at hospitals, that pressure points on burn patients beds were extremely critical, and they took a lot of those learnings into account in seat design. I’m not sure how accurate that was, but it seemed legit at the time.
@@matthelms4167 yep, Volvo proudly advertises on their website they are the one car manufacturer who works with orthopedic doctors and designs them to be comfortable while also being safe in collisions, rollovers, or run off road scenarios. They also pioneered safer seats for female occupants as well as children. Unfortunately they've lost a bit of their edge lately as electronics take a bigger role in safety systems and other manufacturers can give them a run for their money. Still, I've been in an accident in my 2012 S60 and Volvo's experience shows. No whiplash, no back or neck injuries, and I was even able to drive the car home no problem. The structure didn't just absorb the hit, it deflected it away from me, saving me and my car. I still own it and daily drive it. I'll never be a fan or customer of new Volvo, though.
My 2016 XC90 at 70K has been reliable. For those safety conscious shopper, Volvo is an awesome brand
Wow literally just picked up my V90CC yesterday. It’s a beautiful wagon.
I custom ordered a V60CC last month over the Audi A4 Allroad and I have to agree with (nearly) everything that was said in the video. The Audi has the better engine, transmission, ride, and is actually cheaper when completely optioned out...but the car is cold as ice. The A4 Allroad has no personality, it's just a car. I needed a comfortable daily for the city and with the new infotainment/google maps built in, along with the BW audio...the Volvo delivers on that experience. But again, I'm an outlier because I have two (much) older BMWs if I ever wanted to experience any driver engagement.
Had a XC60 for 5 years. LOVE it. The only issue is the reliability and it was almost impossible to maintain by yourself, also the components are very expensive.
All that and you love it?
Stockholm syndrome
@@Tool0GT92 the audio experience is amazing, the seats as well
@@Tool0GT92 If a car is good to drive or nice on the inside, owners will forgive it for a lot of flaws you might think are unforgivable.
The thing is, what you don't like about it - is the case with almost every luxury car. An expensive car is going to have expensive components, period. And basically every car on earth today that is somewhat competetive is going to be a very advanced car that you don't want to work on yourself.
I owned a 21 V60 T8 and I'm surprised you would say to get the B5 over any of the other engine options. I actually traded by V60 T8 for an S60 B5 a few weeks ago for financial reasons. The T8 was FAR smoother than the B5. Maybe because I bought it from new and broke it in properly, everything engaged just right. I always consider myself a "car guy". But I guess I do like something soft and smooth instead of racy, and uniqueness is a huge factor in a purchase.
In the end, I could care less about perfect reliability and just want something interesting. I'll say it again, I think the current generation Volvo V60 is one of the prettiest wagons ever made.
I have a 2019 Volvo V90 T6 AWD and my mom has a 2018 Volvo XC90 T5 AWD. Both of the cars have had zero issues aside from regular maintenance. Both cars have had premature brake wear (compared to other cars I've had), but we're both extremely happy with the cars. Extremely comfortable cars, good materials quality and great in the snow (we're in Canada). I'm surprised you've had so many issues. Its the opposite of our experience.
Can we go back to the really old 5 cylinder turbo? I had one in an XC70 for 270000 miles. It was a great vehicle.
Those Volvo 5 cylinders are pretty much peak engine design for me personally
Yep, my '07 is at 235k and I both love and hate it at times.
Nice engines but no, Volvo will not go back. Next up is EV only on the next XC70 like car that introduce.
8:27 that is exactly me. I grew up from my wrx hatch and ordered a v60 ultimate dark
Revisting this video after owning my 2020 since new. All the points are valid but since i have the T5 with the old sensus system, ive had zero problems. I dont think the new ones are as good. Planning on keeping the car as long as possible
We have 2019 volvo xc60 t5 polestar engineered, and we haven't had any issues for the pass 3 years. The only down side is how expensive the replacement part are. We just had to get the brakes changed for the first time and you have to go to the dealership to buy the parts, because nothing from the local auto parts store will fit
Check out FCP Euro for import parts....that's what we do for our 2015.5 Volvo V60 CC.
@@miata1370 love FCP Euro. Recommend!
Looking forward to that X7 vs XC90 video - currently debating between an XC90, X5, Q7, X7, Durango, etc.
Haha I don't understand how the Durango is even in your list, it's a polar opposite to all the vehicles you have listed. Dodge doesn't exactly compete with Audi. Big rough plastic interior truck vs refined luxury vehicles :)
Nothing against Dodge, they're cheaper for a reason and not everyone cares about refinement, just pointing out how cross-shopping between a Dodge and some luxury vehicles seems a bit strange...
@@MrTresto It does when it’s $25k less, with equivalent tech, better balance, 3 rows, and a naturally aspirated V8.
The Durango is so dated. I was looking at it in 2011 and actually really liked it a lot. But ended up getting a Mercedes’ gl450 bc Mercedes’ offers great lease deals and it was cheaper than a Durango lease.
I love that you put the Durango in there. The Hemi versions of the D have such an emotional appeal with the sound and power. None of the other SUVs listed have that. I guess the X5 does, but at double the price and likely 4x the repair costs once out of warranty.
@@bassandtrebleclef Right? I drove a regular RT trim and didn't have any complaints. It was big, comfy, had uconnect which is super fast and easy to use, and the 5.7 was just plain enjoyable to drive. The sound and feel of effortless, naturally aspirated acceleration is worth something in my book. I would have bought it if I didn't get the deal I did on my I6 S60 Polestar.
Sold my 2020 Tacoma an 2019 Bullitt when my back went out for a s60 T6 polestar optimized. Needed 2 surgeries and 8mo Pt. This cars seats and ergonomics for a 6’4” former lineman I swear got me back to work a month sooner. They fit, are supportive, adjust in all the right places. If you want Luxury first Volvo is the only way to go on any SPA car.
If they made this in a crosstrek comparable size I'd fall in love
Any chance you can review the Audi A4 Allroad? I think its a much better option.
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To much bling, smaller, the seats are not on par with Volvo...
Audi is second to Mercedes’ in the brightest and most distracting dash.
It's nice, but a half-size smaller than the tweener V60, which is closer to the A6 wagon.
Great video. Getting ready to pull trigger on replacing a a late 2010s Outback with new one, but balancing the price jump for the V60 XC. You nailed the customer considering this switch
I hope Volvo continues to make wagons. It's such a travesty that more people don't buy them.
It's like trying to convince people to buy a Prius or Juke. People just find them super ugly.
@@baronvonjo1929 tbh I've seen some boring wagons but never any ugly ones (except for shooting brakes)
Its a car for people that dont need to drive a bmw or merc. People that dont need to show off the neigbours. People that have arrived. Its for people that dont need to have the latest tech. how often do you look at the screen to notice the ppi? It has android automitive so a good satnav. it has the best audio system available on the market. Its for people who know where they are going and dont need to be there at a certain time and can enjoy the drive and value the feeling of safety. Plus its from sweden so perfect for bad weather driving too. Its what the german brands used to be. (okay its a small company so yeah its a dated platform, theres room for improvement)
I have a C-Class wagon and would love to switch to an V90CC. Why? because im in a comfortable position in life right now. i dont need a "thrilling driving experience that challenges my senses" or whatever marketing comes up with today. I want a comfortable car, thats quiet, with a good sound system that gets me places in elegance and comfort. Volvo gives me that.
In the elite part of my city there’s a surprising amount of Volvos.
Same here, from the old to the newer models.
I love my 2021 Xc60 R design. At first it reminded me of a newer, more expensive Subaru in the way it drove. The more time I've spent with it the more I enjoy it. The seats aren't comfy like grandma's sofa, but over an entire day in the car they are sublime. Mine has the HK sound and it's far from amazing. Good enough, but not even comparable to the bose systems in Audi and/or GM vehicles IMO. I'm considering my next vehicle, I may special order an XC60 and go with PHEV, Air ride, B&W etc. I've owned many new vehicles including Audi, BMW & MB and i've never felt safer then I do inside my volvo. I love the Volvo content you guys create. Please try to get your hands on a 2023 Xc90 Phev!
thats exactly the feel I got, volvo is like the upgraded more premium subaru
that's how they feel to drive. like a flagship new Subaru. Not in a bad way either.
Possibly the best intro of any of your reviews yet......!!!!!!
10000% agree with Jack when he says: "The person buying this, has an aversion to SUV's and wants to be slightly different!" YES! ME! As a former Volvo salesman, I confirm that most owners who did not want an SUV opted for the V90 Cross Country and then, the V60 Cross Country. Where I disagree with Jack, is when he compares it to the BMW and other markets. We do not have the privilege of choice here in North America, so it is hard to do a proper comparaison. Back in 2018, we DID have a cross competition drive with the BMW 3 series wagon, Mercedes C300 4Matic and the V60 was the superior overall. The BMW was a different animal in terms of feedback, BMW is hard to beat on that aspect... but with some serious trade off. The C300 Wagon was all about the badge and felt overall cheap and you would not get much for your money. When equipped with a very close comparaison to the V60, it was a solid 10-12K more for the Benz.. If I happen to stumble upon some money, i'd get me a pre-owned 2019 V90 Cross Country with the Bowers and Wilkins. I will deal with the possible T6 related issues, but having drive the T5 in the V90XC, It lacks some umph!
Great review. Can you do the 2023 A4 Allroad ?
It looks so much better than the other wagons.
I grew up on Volvo wagons/ sedans and mid 90s GMC Suburbans. Absolutely love them both and always wanted a CC but have zero need for one.
in europe we have small roads and small parking places. The V90 cross is a nice big car, but a bastard to turn around and fit places. So we opted for this too - and it makes more sense also when the road gets really bad or in snow. they both have 200 ish mm ground clearence and we can say confidently that it plows through better than any skoda (including codiaq). The price drops like a stone - a 2 year old car can be had 30-40% cheaper already.
We have prior body-style and my wife loves it. It's good looking and has been completely reliable, and definitely a better value over a Benz or BMW (if you can find on in the US), the All-Road was the only other wagon we consdered.
I'm an XC70 owner... love them.. you guys nailed it
Nice objective review! I love everything about Volvos except that middle infotainment area. It is literally a deal-killer for me. I can't stand the look of it and knowing how laggy it is, the Volvo is off the list. I hope they update it soon. I'd love to get in a Volvo again someday.
I hope that someone starts the trend of going back to physical buttons.
Honestly it's to the point where I'd pay a premium for that.
same here, I was about to get a V60 and the shit infotainment was the deal breaker.
they're doing OTA updates and 2023 owners are content for the most part. My 2021 has the last iteration of sensus and it's phenomenal!
@@JakeDrives1 That’s good to know, thanks for sharing, I still really love the look of the V60
@@JakeDrives1 good to know.
that shift crystal is something
very feminine ... obviously designed by women for women... one of the rare gaudy things in some of these Volvo trims... thankfully, I got the leather-wrapped gear lever in my 2022 XC60 R-Design.
It tells you your future.
Something awful do you mean? I’m about to pull the trigger on one of these to replace my ‘14 XC60 D5 and that awful bling is the one thing my wife comments negatively on every time - and I don’t blame her!
I completely disagree with break downs, I agree that older air ride suspension was worst tuned suspension ever... I own a 2018 T6 inscription with 75000 miles and it never broke down on me other than a leaked AC system which was taken care under warranty !
The older V60CC was one of my favorite cars. Driving it I loved the feel of the drive, I loved that I felt at home with all four corners. I knew where this car was at all times. I felt I could drive the CC blindfolded. I would never own it. Too many problems with the vehicle, expensive to maintain and good luck finding someone to service it. But, it is really one of my favorite vehicles.
It's a sensible, practical and safe vehicle with an awesome sound system...i'm good with that 😆
safety first! I think it's one of the best options for parents with new borns or people too paranoid of accidents.
Hit the nail on the head
I have a ‘22 v60 Cc with 13k miles
Primary reason I bought is I hate SUVs and need a family friendly car that is SAFE.
If you plan correctly you can fit a ton of stuff in this car for a road trip.
And as you say, it is definitely not a “shitbox” perfect for a 20-30 minute daily commute.
Agreed if you are looking for performance this is not the car for you but if you just need something that works, is reliable and safe but also gives you a nice ride and audio system this is a great car. For the money I spent - 4/5. It’s not the happiest I’ve been with a car but I’m satisfied.
Waiting to take delivery of mine in December. Wanted to like the new Outback, but I have the money and this is a better choice for me now. Also Audi seats don't like me.
1. I love your 💩🤬 candidness. You just don’t mince words and I appreciate that.
2. As a long-term US Volvo owner (2005 S40 R-design, 2006 XC70 (my all time fave), 2013 XC60 R). If I had to replace my xc60, I’d highly consider the V60 XC. Totally didn’t realize that that they were still on the old school SPA. I haven’t test drove a V60XC, but my 2013 xc60 is still running well at 116k miles, and I’ll keep if forever since I’ve turned it into my “beater car” for kitesurfing, SUP, biking, etc,. (Most importantly, it’s paid off!)
3. From what I’ve seen, there main complaints are about the Google Automative that it’s a deal-breaker for me, since I’m an Apple CarPlay guy. I get it from Volvo - they wanted to be early adopters, but killing any Apple CarPlay from the outset was a dumb move by their product team. I was “ok” with Sensus, and maybe they should have pimped it up more.
Once Volvo sorts their 💩 out and comes out with a solid reliable full time EV (I’ll keep tabs over the next few years), I’ll probably be at the position where I need to upgrade.
CarPlay still can be launched. The issue is the base software. I'd rather have a vehicle OEM software for the "base car functions" rather than Apple or Google. Sensus just needed to be faster. Google Automotive is crap. Not to be confused with Android Auto, which is great
I disagree on one point. BMW's are a maintenance nightmare. Just too expensive to maintain. Audi's have quality issues. My Volvo is cheap to maintain (as long as I stay away from the dealer, lol). However, the IPD rear sway bar is almost like mandatory (w/ new bushings as well) on these cars. They are so stiff. I did the Polestar software and the handling does not keep up with the performance.
My mom owns a 2016 XC90 T6 R design and she’s had it for about 4 years, it’s sitting at 90k miles and she hasn’t had a single problem with it other than having to replace the brakes and being annoyed with the screen being laggy sometimes.
And that's the way it is for a lot of Volvo owners. Volvo reliability is spotty. It's terrible for some, but fine for others.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Yea I’ve noticed that too, seems like peoples new Volvos are either as reliable as a old Toyota or a complete Lemon
When I test drove the XC60, V60 and V60 Polestar, in all of them I was disappointed with the 4-cylinder compared with my V70 2.5T LPT. The sound of it under load is very underwhelming. The transmission behavior is also. This review is outstanding IMO - gives a very comprehensive review of pros and cons.
Everyone I know who has had a Volvo had their engine catastrophically fail between 20,000 and 130,000 miles. Imagine burning a quart of oil a week and be told that's "normal" and then caboom! Your 60,000$+ car is now scrap because the repair costs are the price of a new car.
Interesting! My 5 cyclinder d5 has 130k miles and I've never had a problem with oil consumption.
@@sell500hp it's mostly the gas ones. Diesels seem to be fine
I have 20 year old S80T6 with 171,000 miles on it. Didn't happen to me. This idea that Volvo are only unreliable just isn't true. Some are very reliable, others are very unreliable, most are reasonably reliable.
The old ones were definitely reliable, however the new ones simply are not. Marks was a nightmare and other people I know with modern Volvos have had a similar experience. Way too much complication with very little benefits.
@@dannykelly3617 That's not the case. Not all the old Volvos were reliable. I've owned Volvos for decades and there were always Volvos that had issues and others that were more reliable. Even the 240, when it first came out, had issues.
Not all modern Volvos are bad. This is something said every generation of new Volvos. Somehow the older ones are always better but those older ones were newer at one time and people were saying then the older ones were better. AFAIC, the newest ones are the best. They are the most crashworthy, have the best road manners, and are the most up-to-date. Sure, there are some things I like better about older ones but each generation has some improvement in how they drive and feel. A lot of people have current-gen Volvos and you don't hear that much about the ones that work well. You tend to hear about the ones that don't.
These are total lease-mobiles. Buying an off-lease example would be a bold strategy, Cotton. At least the audio will sound awesome while you're waiting for AAA to arrive.
Man, wish we could've seen more of that little shifter, who did they contract with on making it, Moen!? Or maybe Delta? Looks very residential bathroom...
Ah, but it's fancy crystal, not plastic. Probably Orrefors, to stay local.
@@markmiller3279 Ah yes, that's MUCH more "Volvo!!" 😄😄🍻
The ruggedness of the unpainted plastic cladding will allow me to truly test the limits of my local Starbucks drive-thru!
I love Volvo wagons, but the cross country trim ruins the looks. Normal wagon, a little lower than stock, and with the T6 engine would be great... if only I could find a V60 or V90 like this at a reasonable price. Or like you said, a B58 wagon in the US!
many more Americans have bought the Cross Country wagons (including myself) than the non-lifted Volvo wagons because they are more practical (and many like myself prefer the Cross Country look) -- which is why you can only special order the non-lifted wagons any more in the US (and not sure you can even get a non-lifted V90 CC wagon any more here).
Yes, I would love a no-plastics V60 CC! Like a regular V60 with the added clearance for the bumpy and snowy roads.
I think what they failed to focus on though it was mentioned earlier is that this is literally a holdover vehicle. You’ll see in just a few days what Volvo has been up to with the new EX90.
Volvo makes beautiful cars.
u never age! ridiculous! Your vid's are still the best of everyone's. Thank u!
John won. Why is Goose doing the final thoughts segment? I thought those was the rules.
Volvo wagons are always at the top of whatever list you come up with. (well besides Miata's) Great vid.
It's hard to see why I'd want this over a loaded Outback. I don't get the shitbox slam, I've been test driving various newer Outbacks with my girlfriend lately and they seem like a ton of vehicle for the money, well-built with solid materials for the price.
I have the previous generation V60. 216 000 km / 134 000 miles on the odometer and 0 faults so far 😎 2.0L diesel! Just rev it out once in a while and oil change every 15k km/9k miles 👍🏻 I don't understand the jokes about Volvos breaking down. Here in Finland Volvos are invincible, maybe they come from different factories? Or then the newer ones just suck lol
Didn’t notice that SavageGeese pass 600k subscribers! Congrats you guys!!! 🎉🎉
Many of my North Shore neighbors drive Volvos. Large majority are leased and its 2 years and 20K miles and they're out. Rinse and repeat. They know that they're generally troublesome so they lease. Drive by any Whole Foods or running store and you'll see a Volvo.
Last October I drove a Rental V60 diesel hybrid flat out around the Nurburgring.
Honestly not bad but the snow tires were a let down.
Brakes were questionable by the end of lap 2
“While Volvo is very self-serious about their features, I am not.” 😂
First time watcher. You're very entertaining - and funny. You remind me of Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh, don't ask me why.
Shame beige interiors are so hard to find and when I say *interior* I don't mean just seats but the whole lot, from doors, panels to roof. At least back how you could spec full light interiors on older P1 and P2 Volvo's.
I wouldn't want the floors and bottom door panels the be beige. My mom's old RX had that and my 4runner has tan. It's not very pretty.
@@baronvonjo1929sure it's not for everyone. I've had mine for some 16 years and still looks lovely. Sure if you get it dirty it shows up easier but that's why you take extra care not to step in with muddy boots.
Most importantly light interiors doesn't burn you skin when you sit in a hot summers day compared to a dark interior. I can't go back.
@@venomtailOG Gotta agree with the summer bit. I like the mixed coloring. Solid colored interiors are such a bore.
Wondered why you switched to the M5 after the XC90 love affair with detailing, etc. (4:13). Would like to hear a follow-up but assume that would hurt you chances of getting future V’s.
I believe he replaced it with an X7.
@@markmiller3279 That would make sense. I thought that when they reviewed the Jeep GC that Jack mentioned to Mark about his X5 but the X7 would certainly haul more equipment.
I have a 2019 S60 T8, love most of everything about it but the vibration and the rattle are two of the few things I don't like about my car whenever it's sitting idle with the engine on. Even with the auto-start-stop turned on, the car just refuses to shut its engine sometimes maybe because it's just had its engine turned on and wants to run it for a bit or it needs to run the HVAC or whatever. However, when I'm running in pure EV, it's as still and quiet as the car had been turned off. Maybe that's one of the improvements Volvo did from the T series to the B series with the 48V mild hybrid system.
Your vids are so good that i even watch the vids on cars that i would never like.
I feel seen. I'm a Subaru Impreza owner and I rented one of these in Miami and drove it up to near Daytona and back. It's a really pleasant cruiser, the seats are great. I loved it but honesty the maintenance problems scare me. With a move to electric they'd get awd for free but I bet they don't want to have to certify a new chassis design.
This and the v90 cross country are the wagons with the most ground clearance on the market. By a big margin and more than most crossovers.