CZ Po9 review/issues (5000+ rounds)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2021
- I have had this Cz Po9 for almost two years and I love it. I love everything except for its reliability. After 5000 rounds fired, the Po9 has shown 3 major problems that turn me off from considering it has a duty firearm.
Changes springs, blames gun. Puts bent spring back in, blames gun, dryfires thousands of times, blames gun. Doesn't send gun into CZ for warranty work, blames gun. 😂
First gun, He spent around $1200, 5000 rounds…abuses this pistol…should have bought a $1200 gun
Something tells me there’s more to the story here. I never seen these kind of issues on any P09 and P07
Me either i have 2 of both
CZ makes excellence products and I love their pistols, that's why I own 6 different models of them currently. However, if you dry fire often and put significant amounts of rounds through certain models of pistols you will see these issues for sure, its part of owning pistols. I have owned pretty much every type of CZ pistol since 1987 . With particular models you could experience firing pin retaining pin breakage and trigger reset/return spring breakage. Several after market kits provide upgrades which do provide longer life at inexpensive prices and enhance reliability.
Dumb comment.
It is known among CZ shooters that you need to dry fire with an oring between the hammer and firing pin. It is a negative for sure and many new gun owners will not know and damage the pin. The CGW pin is an upgrade, but still need to use an oring. If these issues are happening on a stock gun, give CZ a call and let them take care of it for you. They have great service. I have three P09 handguns and all have been 100% reliable with many rounds through them.
How about a foam disposable ear plug to cushion the hammer to firing pin
@@gtviewer yep works great as well
Thank you for the insight!
There’s supposed to be a dummy round with a green dampener in the box for dry firing practice
So dummy rounds don’t work for CZs? As far as longevity goes I mean
I am far from blaming the mods applied to the trigger mechanism, but mine has almost that much rounds through it and there is not a trace of any problems you have mentioned. Except mine is 100% stock.
All of my problems occurred around the same time which was what frustrated me enough to make a video on it. I may have a lemon, or I may have beat on it worse than most people would. The argument for the modification being the problem is definitely a strong one for sure!
@@jmacfirearms3672 CGW is known for its quality parts though. I doubt it's a single thing that caused the issues. Probably a combination of factors which causes the malfunctions. Or indeed a lemon...
@@bloodymarvelous4790I've received lemon pistols in the past. It happens, and it's frustrating.
An interesting review, I’m nudging the 4k mark with mine and it’s fully stock with not so much as a single failure so far whether it’s factory or my handloads. I have heard of others encountering similar issues with their trigger return spring but maybe mine is a unicorn who knows. Might order myself some extra parts and springs just in case. Thanks for the insight.
The reason you haven't heard of these problems from others is probably because they are rare.
They are only "rare" in the us. The P07&9 is a service pistol over seas.
It’s not rare. I’ve had this problem and many others have as well. These guns in stock form are not reliable for EDC or HD. Sucks because it’s a great looking gun with awesome ergos.
@@warweaponx6629 Pure Disinformation. This is VERY rare, guy. CZ P-07, CZP-09, and CZs in general are some of the best shoot and reliable handguns ever produced. How dare you say such hogwash about CZ pistols. You guys always spread these disinformation comments and videos which become viral and give good products a bad rap.
@@aishefasani5635 There are countless videos and post from people with these know issues. Your post is ridiculous and purely emotional driven. These guns are not fit for hard duty use in stock form. That is a fact backed up by plenty of examples.
@ WARWEAPONX
Countless videos where people have installed aftermarket springs incorrectly, attempted to insufficiently work on their internals, etc. And then they do what? Blame the gun. Limp-wristing? Blame the gun. FTF/FTE problems with recycled ammo? Blame the gun. Over powder round disaster due to incompetent hand loading? Blame the what...gun. 27+years I've seen and heard your kind a lot lol.
You may be emotional and projecting as your other comments seems to be personal and go away from topics.
I'm waiting for a P09. They're well known for it's reliability. I hope you can fix all those issues for good!. Thanks for your honest review.
@Buttbanging Trannyliberal I care about a duty handgun having parts break at the range. If it cannot hold up at the range then how will it do in the field
The P09 is amazing and it is definitely a great buy! I did fix all of my issues and the gun runs like a champ again!
@@jmacfirearms3672 I'm glad to hear that! I got my P09 by now. Smooth shooter!!
This being your first handgun you should not believe all the hype out there that there are pistols that will not have issues. Maintaining pistols including springs is required especially at high round count. Dont delude yourself in thinking other pistols will not need maintenance. The trigger bar spring can wear and needs to be adjusted. A lot of people adjust that spring to make a trigger lighter and it’s not really needed by the way I’ve got way over 5000 rounds in one of my P0 sevens. I upgraded the springs after a couple thousand rounds and the firing pin retaining pin, and I’ve never had a malfunction of any kind through that firearm
on the other hand it would be pretty intimidating to your enemies to shoot at them with your gun upside down
I have one of these and been shooting it for a number of years no problem.
Consider talking to Cz about this issue?
Considering the P09 has been used and is still being used as a duty weapon in both military and Leo applications in several countries, perhaps you hit one of the few lemons that can come out of any mass produced product. Hav several Cz models including a p09 with well over 5 k rounds and have had zero issues. Totally surprises me.
Hey man..
My follow up review? Seems you the only dude done so much and a review
I experienced the same trigger reset issue. The real cause is the disconnector has too much play sideways, it blocks trigger bar from coming up/resetting. I was able to reproduce the problem when having the slide removed & tilting the frame to right when dry firing. Luckily this does not happen in live firing.
Thank you for this info. Do you still own the gun? Still problems ?
5,000+ rds threw my p09 have never had 1 issue.
I’m trying to get clarification here.
After you replaced the trigger return spring and firing pin positioning pin with Cajun Gunworks parts did you have any further problems?
How many more rounds have you fired through the gun after installing the Cajun Gunworks parts?
Before you had problems with the trigger bar spring was it removed or bent by you trying to tune it?
Did you eventually replace the trigger bar support spring with a Cajun Gunworks part? Did that fix the issue?
How many rounds have you fired after the repair?
I just bought a CZ p09 and immediately had the same dead trigger which I think is caused by the trigger bar spring.
Interesting.... Were the trigger failures on the factory CZ springs, or the CGW aftermarket springs that were installed?
After the CGW parts. But the trigger return spring failure is a common thing across cz’s
I have seen many guns made unreliable by filling them with aftermarket parts, I have to wonder if that’s what’s going on here. I would contact CZ.
I have witnessed that as well
Same here
How does the slide stop pin look. I’d like to see. I’m up there on my round count and have no clue how many but it’s a bunch. My pin i very shiny and I can see some wear. Been thinking about buying an extra one and a extractor and guid rod spring
Please get the pistol fixed, and do a follow up review.
Is the hole in the frame where the trigger bar support spring goes damaged?
You have yourself to blame. SNAPCAPS!!! Replacing your trigger spring every 5K rounds has to be done on your recoil springs also.
You are absolutely right on the snapcaps. Like I said in the video it was my first handgun so I did not understand the importance of snapcaps
@@jmacfirearms3672 I'm still waiting on my the government to allow me to bring home my CZ, but I got a little laser snapcap to dryfire with in my hellcat. It's really cool. I can pull the trigger and the striker hits a button that activates the laser so I can see where I would've hit.
Using snap caps for training/dry-firing is nothing more than common sense.
We’re all these failures on the stock springs/parts or aftermarket parts?
My stock P09 I am about 10k thru it. Went to the range today in fact. 300 rounds and not a hiccup. Only issue i have ever had was ammo related. Same ammo in another weapon caused the same issue.
It's why i had the CZ out today in fact. Along with an M&P 2.0 and Sig Legion P320. Testing ammo across several guns to make sure it performs in anything i might load it in too.
Going to say you probably just got a bad spring. It might "be in tolerance", but at the outer edge of tolerances. Two mating. Parts each within their respective tolerances can easily suffer an issue is they are both at opposite ends of tolerance.
You said you do not see a lot of videos on it. Because it is not common. If it was common. Lime the P320 issue a few years back. EVERYONE would have done a video on it. And that you made changes to the weapon are as likely a cause as the weapon itself. Most finicky 1911 I have. Is also the most expensive and tightest tolerances. Some ammo it will not cycle at all. Whereas a $400 Rock Island eats everything. AK v M16. AK runs through anything. M16 much less tolerant of conditions. But it is a better shoting more accurate platform than the AK is.
I had the exact same trigger problems with my p09 about 500 rounds in but my p07 work great about 1500 rounds into it.
Ngl to have to replace a few parts after 5000 rounds isn’t exactly the most unreasonable thing I’ve ever heard, many people replace barrels and or springs on guns after that many rounds imo
My favorite part of this is oh the rolled pin broke. 5,000 ROUNDS LATER SOMETHING BROKE. 😂
You keep talking about duty weapons but 99% of agencies when it comes to duty weapons you aren't allowed to swap out parts for "custom parts" and there is a reason for this, legality, QC etc. It honestly sounds like you created your own problems with tinkering with something that runs fine when left stock.
I am impressed with your round count. Plus dry firing... obviously time for a refresh. You must really like the gun or you wouldnt have so many rounds thru it. I'd never be able to fire a Glock that many times, I dislike that trigger. What is the factory warranty on CZ guns? Looks to be 5 years.....fyi.
I would never dry fire any pistol 1000's of times without snap caps. That's asking for problems with the firing pin.
So no snap cap with this gun is just how it is and pre purchase research should have led you to something else if you didn’t like it.
I'm using P09 in our local IPSC division, stock springs suck I'm at 10,000 rounds with modified springs no problem so far
Bro, my came with a snap cap with replacement soft cushions
Yea..with all do respect you can't even tell if it's the gun or you. You said you've changed basically everything out in the gun to after market parts,( which is the #1 one reason good guns become unreliable from after market parts put in by shade tree gunsmiths. If you really watched his video 1st you would have known about the dry firing and the roll pin. So you apparently just did it anyways??? Yeah idk. But what we have here is a gun with all its stock parts out and the owner does exactly what your supposed to not do. Kind of hard to judge the gun itself at this point.
Turns upside down and dry fires over and over so I'm not sure the gun is the issue
Ive only ever had malfunctions when not using higher velocity rounds.
I've also never have had any of these issues.
It comes with a snap cap in the box for a reason. And anyone who puts that many rounfs through a pistol, would likely need to get it gunsmithed. No one else seems to have these issues with the P-09.
you have already reported this to the cz facttory .what did they say
Don't dry fire hammer fired guns that's why it comes with a snap cap
Que cambie a modo manual ahi no se ocupa ese resorte.
Firing pin’s don’t just stick out of a gun. You know how many lawsuits that would lead to? I think you’re not telling the people everything about your situation
After the first couple of thousand, might want to replace somethings.
Nothing especially springs are lifetime.
5000 rounds is about the right time for a modern handgun show some aging, they are not made to last a lifetime anymore, all the CZ products have MIM internals and in MIM is not the same as a machined piece of steel, in MIM you get whatever they melted that day so durability and reliability is a gamble the experience going to be a divided opinion. I customized one with Cajun parts as well, works fine but I have only around 1000 rounds on it.
Even if you replaced the Firing Pin Positioning Pin ($5), Trigger Return Spring ($7), and Trigger Bar Support Spring ($3.50) every 5k rounds that’s only $15.50 total and 10 minutes to do. Easy
Still dry firing it and messing up that roll pin retaining firing pin.
Do t blame the gun when you’re changing parts…. Send it into cz
I call Bollocks on this one !!
What I don't get is, if your spring is bent, why not get a new one? Once it's bent it's gonna cause issues.
No disrespect intended, but if you abuse something over and over, it can't be expected to play nice. I fear that you'd have these issues with almost any handgun. It would be interesting to see you review another of your guns with the same round count put through it, and see where it stacks up.
You done something you're not telling us lol. Stop playing gunsmith when you dont know wtf you're doing smh
Im
Glad you said it
I was shooting some 9mm 115gr jhp rounds through my CZ P09 and it kept jamming. Can anyone explain why?
Some guns don't like certain hollowpoints. Gotta test different ammo.
@@Catgat37 yeah I figured out it was just the ammo.
It can be the recoil spring. 07 and 09 have pretty light springs.
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I have a few Cz and this is never a problem very rare issue you had happen…ether contact Cz or go switch back to stock and take your problem up with Cajun gun works not Cz my man and not talked about because doesn’t happen only when swapping random parts in and out just go stock and won’t have a issue again
To add Cajun works has warranty’s on all these stuff as do Cz I think you just had a fluke or something else went on I hope it works out for ya but I’m over 10k and not a single issue on any of the 5 I own but there’s always a chance with any weapon any brand ya know..
Seems odd. I have a 9 and a 40 and not one problem at all
Don't know why it seems odd. I've driven my car over 120k miles without an issue, others with the same make and model have had several issues with fewer miles on the odometer. Every gun is different, and some may malfunction sooner than others.
This is the exact reason I dumped the CZ P09 and 07 platform and switched back to Glock for EDC and HD. Sucks because I love the look, feel, and ergos of it.
And I started having these problems less than a 1000 rounds in.
I have never had any of these issues and i had 12 at one time
@@rkpagano You have to shoot them to experience the failures.
I probably have a whole lot more rounds through those guns, including probably close to 10,000 rounds through P07. In addition of tens of thousands around through Glock platform. I find that the CZ P0 seven and P0 nine are just as reliable with almost 0 issues, and absolutely zero failures. If you know how to maintain them properly. I do know that some of them from time to time will show up that have timing issues. I have not experienced this myself in over a dozen guns.
This is not common
Never had an issue with any of my CZ over the many years I have owned them...including my P-09. There are factors that have been left out here.
Not a fan of the tactical press check
If you say "i replaced the trigger in my Glock to get a 3 lbs pull and a great reset" the response is... that's because Glock sucks.
If you say "I replaced parts in my CZ because they broke the response is "how dare you doubt that CZ pistols are shit straight out of a unicorn's ars and shoot rainbows out of the barrel reliably." Oh and I own the p09 with a manufacturer date of 2022. No issues yet but MIM parts are a crap shoot and CZ doesn't make guns that are above challenge when one breaks. Oh and just to ensure that someone gets butt hurt... this would never happen with a Glock.
Apples to Oranges. This would never happen to a P10f or P10C either which are striker fired DAO pistols like Glock. I own Glocks and CZ's and the P10 series is literally just as good or better than Glocks for less money. Also, this kid just didn't know not to dry fire that model without snap caps or something. He straight admitted to dry firing that pistol a bunch and while yes the Glock won't have issues after 1000's and 1000's of dry fires without snap caps or something neither will the P10. To my knowledge almost all single action hammer fired CZ's can't handle being dry fired without dummy rounds or something to cushion the hammer to firing pin hit. Before there was Glock there was the CZ 75B and trust me that pistol is a tank.
The trigger spring in the p07 and p09 are a weak part in these guns. Yes he should have used snap caps to cushion to hammer fall but this part will still break eventually even under normal use. I have both and have replaced the trigger return spring in both, no dry firing without the included snap caps that came with the gun and I fired live rounds way more than dry fire. The point was that CZ fanboys defend CZ like someone insulted their mothers. ALL manufactures and ALL guns have something that could have been done better.
Yeah brother , I have to say it’s a hell of a firearm . Sucks you had those malfunctions.
What standard do you have if this is your first gun? Opinions of a first gun owner are like shit, everyone had some! Stop putting after market parts in your fire arms and blaming a manufacturer. 5000 rounds and how many dry fires, 10k 20k everything wears out, springs pins slides! Replace worn parts, purchase a new gun, mostly stop giving opinions from ignorance, when you have five ten twenty years of gained knowledge, you might have something to share with someone!!
I have many thousands of rounds thru my HK USP’s and P30’s and have never had any issues. So I would agree with you regarding the P 09it not being a “ duty pistol”. I like the P 09 too
get a p30, you won't regret it
Thanks for sharing. There are several commenters below who seem personally upset at you. Funny how people get so angry when another criticizes a gun they like
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