Well, there is a part of me that hopes I am right because I am such a CZ fan. It’s hard to hear about one failing, especially in the hands of someone as big as the honest outlaw, but if it failed it failed, and it must be reported the truth is out there somewhere lol. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
I don't see how it could be a design issue since the only thing they've changed are external features, the operational design is the same. It would have to be a Q.C. issue.
@JMBAmericanIronShallNotBeInfri I’m not sure if there is any issue as mine had no issues. Not sure if you watched the video or not. Thanks for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@leadfarmer556 I’ve done my best in 6 videos and make mine fail and it hasn’t once. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
If you have a problem on any platform, the diagnosis should be new ammo (which he did), if it continues, take the light off (it's easy to test). If it continues take the optic off. If it stops with the optic removed, put the light back on. Ect. Goes for any attachments or aftermarket parts. Always troubleshoot. Outlaw had a tlr7hlx on. The one other person I've seen with issues was using that very light. No matter how lose he installed the light it was engaging the slide stop randomly, not causing lock back, but causing ftf. I know the cz has roll pins and is a pain to disassemble the slide, but if the issue is narrowed to the optic, a full slide breakdown is in order to check for possible interference. All things i would do before I i sent it back to the manufacturer. Anyway, thanks for the video. Cool to see you run a og 75 mag (not the same, more narrow) and the p10/09 mags (the same). Good video as always, and appreciate the hard work.
Yeah, the light that I had on there was that quick disconnect light that surefire makes that does not screw down to the side of the rail. I may get the OG light that screws on and put it on as I normally would not over but enough and I think I’m also going to let my wife shoot it, although she did shoot in the initial review without problems, but it had a different optic on it at that time and no light
@@GSquaredTactical and of course all screw on lights are going to pinch at a different spot. Sometime the tooth for the pic rail is at the front of the clamp, or back, different clamp dimensions ect. A lot of things to trouble shoot. When a platform has been out a while everyone figures out the interference points and how to prevent issues. But this is new. Most issues are user induced rather they realize they caused it or not.
Solid theory on the optics screws. Optics are a slipery slope. I am getting older and run optics on every gun I own that is optics ready. What I have found over the years is screw length is very important, as is optic weight. Both can induce malfunctions in a pistol. I also put a solid 200-300 through every gun for break in and to test function before mounting an optic and always clean and lube my guns out of the box. I follow this on new and used guns. After that I mount and zero an optic run another 100-200 rounds and then it is good to go.
Thx for the info was worried , had made plans to buy the p09 , then I saw Honest outlaws vid and was disappointed at the p09 but now I have more confidence thx
I trust my life with it but that’s my experience can’t speak to anyone else’s. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Good video. Honest Outlaw's video was the first time I'd heard anything negative about the P09c Nocturne and was surprised by his results,. I read in the comments on his video about trying it without the optic and I'm glad you went one step further and experimented with the screws.
Again, as I have said, in the other comments, I do not even know if it’s possible for the screw to actually hit the extractor spring as it may be completely enclosed. I’m just not sure, but it seemed awful odd to me that when I did run a screw into the extractor rod on a different firearm I had that very same exact failure so it calls me to be suspect of that. I don’t think he really looks at his comments because his channel is so big. He just does not have the time or capacity to read all of them and respond, but I hope that he will try that before he sends it back, so we can all know for sure. Thanks for watching for commenting and sure to subscribe if you have not already
Before anyone calls me out I just want to say that during the video I said slide lock and I meant mag release and when I said mag release when I meant slide lock. Also when I was referring to my P10F and having installed the CCW on it I meant to say the P09 F. So I edited this video a little to quickly and didn’t catch them to later. Sorry any questions just ask and I will clear it up. Also after watching the video back it’s obvious that the slide had locked back when I was shooting my plus P ammunition and likely due to me hitting the slide lock because of having to weak of a grip for the ammunition I was shooting.
Do you think the larger controls could be bumped during firing more? Like the slide lock/release? I have had screws from the optic bind the extractor on Glock pistols if the screws were too long as well. I wish HO ran without optic for a few hundred to check baseline reliability.
Thank you. The information you shared is the reason these forms are so helpful. I own a P07 as my EDC, I too saw HO. Very concerned with the noted failures. CZ is a standard Great details from a new subscriber
Ty sir. I used the M4x0.7x8.6mm from my 100’s of screws I had. Now with that said in no way am I saying that the reason for his failure was definitely the optic as I just do not know so 11 mm or the nine point something millimeter that comes with the vortex CCW may be just fine. It’s just that I have mounted a ton of optics in my life and it’s just something an OCD person like myself feels and it just didn’t feel right like it did with the 8.6 mm screws. People have to understand that the CCW was on the market well before the PO9 opticoptic ready was.
Nice job. Thank you for taking the time to look into this further. Please keep us posted regarding any additional malfunctions, or lack thereof. (That was no limp wrist. :) Update: Mine runs flawlessly. It's accurate and fun to shoot. I used the short 8-9mm M4 screws for my greendot.
I watched the video back while editing and I always have a 2nd camera from another angle in case one stops recording and I’m not good enough at editing to figure out how to overlay it yet so I might do another video but in the other angle you can plainly see my thumb slap the slide lock. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I sure am glad i watched this video! I just bought this gun. I did buy it after I saw Honest Outlaw's review. I too have been watching his videos for a long time. I know how much he cherishes that old P 07 he has. I have a p10 and 75 compact. I love both of those guns, and they've both been reliable. No issues at all. I figured his was just one of those guns. Guess it must happen sometime. I certainly don't think it's all of them. I have 3 rmsc dots not mounted, one being the CCW. I'm still not sure which I'm putting on. The others are Holosun 507k gr. , and a Romeo X compact. It just shipped today, so It'll probably be next week before it delivers. Thanks for this excellent video, sir!
I thought the exact same thing and left a comment on chris's vid saying to remove the optic and retest. You mentioned the echelon - i too had an issue with longer screws, once i switched to short screws, not a single issue!
Yeah, as I said in several of the other comments, I’m not even sure if the screw can hit the in spring. I need to look into it a little bit, but just having had that issue in the past I was throwing it out there as a potential. I’m sure with his firearm knowledge that’s not the case. He probably just got a lemon, but I’m anxious to find out what’s going on with it. Thanks for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
@davidtevis8978 that’s how it was on my Echelon I mean the same exact issue OH was having to a T and I’m not sure if that’s what is going on now with his or if you are even able to touch it through the slide but I can’t wait to find out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I have a ton of CZ75 patterned mags. They are all Mecgar with the blue followers. Thankfully, they all functioned 100%, even had slide lock on all as well. Didn’t have any fall out. I think he got a lemon, but I know he’s gonna have doubt about that gun, even when it comes back. I don’t remember if he shot it without the optic or not, but that’s one thing I’ve always done with optic ready pistols. I shoot a couple hundred rounds through it without the optic, to make sure it works. Then, once the optic goes on shoot it more. If it has function issues, it’s more than likely the optic (either weight or screws being too long.
Yeah, like I have said in the other comments, I’m not sure if the screw is even capable of hitting the ejection spring but I know that exact same thing to a T happen to me in another firearm and the ejector was holding onto the casing and it turned out to be the screw in the optic so I was just curious and of course I carry the gun a lot so I wanted to be sure it would function since I had changed over to the CCW optic. Thanks for watching and taking time to comment.
Got mine a couple weeks ago. Only got 150 rounds through it so far. Had 2 failure to return to battery on first couple of mags and no issues since. Shot Magtech 115GR, 124GR and CCI 115GR FMJs. Have several CZs but have only tried the original P-07 mags with this gun and no issues with them. I don't run optics. Ran a couple mags in DA only, no issues.
@kwisatzhaderach1458 wow I’ve never had a break in with any of my Glocks. Thanks for watching it for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Came looking for a video just like this, because I also watched HO and saw his issues with the P09C. I couldn't believe that something based on the P07 could malfunction like that. Thank you for doing this. Bravo Zulu.
I’m not saying that his findings were self-induced or wrong and that he simply did not just get a lemon. All I can do is report about mine and my experience so far has been nothing but flawless. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already
I just picked up a P09 F. When I installed my optic on it, I had the exact save screw issue with it. I didn’t force it and I don’t know why anyone would. I took it out and filed maybe 1/16 off the screw. After doing that the screw ran in absolutely fine. No issues with the gun.
Yeah if I can find a screw without having to file one I will go that route and I was fortunate to have one. I filed one one time and because I did the tip of the screw rusted from having been cut and I was fortunate to get it out after noticing rust inside my slide and finally figuring it out
Yeah I don’t think he looks at his comments and I can’t say that I blame him it’s just to much. Heck an office full of people couldn’t look and answer to all the comments no way. Heck I’m thankful that I’m still able to but I won’t be able to for much longer that’s why I’m encouraging people to go over to Patreon to support me on a more intimate platform
Yes, sir!! This gun has been nothing but great for me. I shot it a bunch more off camera without any problems so far I have about 700 rounds through it and the only issue which really was not an issue. It was obvious that I hit the slide lock was when it locked back when I was shooting Plus p ammo. I totally trust this firearm and this manufacture. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
It was definitely odd that he had those problems. I did also notice that his wife had far more malfunctions while shooting than he did so maybe part of the problem was grip strength and wrist exacerbating whatever the issue actually is? Will be interesting to see what happens. Happy to see that your pistol isn't having the same issues.
Yeah I done a follow up to this video it’s been up about 12 hrs and my wife shot it on camera and she’s know to limp wrist and had no issues. I’m anxiously awaiting to hear what he finds. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Me too , just watched another video channel J,Zhredz. Did a video nocturne vs glock 19 .his nocturne had the same malfunction yours did . The last rd was in magazine slide back . I didn't know if he caused it because he's a glock freak , but same as your
@waterhead1359 after watching the video and editing it, it was obvious that the slide locked back and I almost certainly hit the slide lock because my grip wasn’t as tight as it should have been with the +p ammo.
Personally i got my czp09c n took it to the range on Aug 27th (before my optic came in) and just had a bunchh of issues right out of the box. So you i greased her up n locked in if you will to make sure i wasn't limp wristing or riding the slide and was still having issues, i even got a box of blazer from the range to make sure it wasnt the ammo, ig a couple of them just slip thru QC or something.. CZ are great guns, typically, i just know alot of people wish they hadnt bought a lemon lol
Blah blah blah all that to say I don't necessarily think the optic was the issue w the firearm at least not in my case lolol for someone TH-cam around trying to find a solution like me
Is the p07 good to go tho? I could care less for optic for my intended use case, but I def do not want to spend a nickel on guns with issues. I only have money to buy one gun every 10 years or so. So I have to be very selective sadly.
M4 X 0.7 X 8.6mm I used from my swampfox optic screw kit I purchased quite a few of. The 9.8mm might be ok from the vortex optic screws available but the 8.6 ones worked great for me on the C and F. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
my cz p10f does not like wide cavity bullets, it failed to feed Federal HST once on me, after that I turned to run critical defense hollow points, they have sharper tips and never fail to feed again.
Are you still carrying this gun? Any new discoveries with it? I had mine to the range this past weekend and had 4 FTF in one box of 50 Magtech. Ran 150 rounds of Blazer 124 gr and it ran flawless. I’m starting to think the P-09 C just doesn’t like Magtech.
Yeah, well you know that’s how it is every time you buy one. The next best thing comes out right after that I’m sure you will pick it up at some point lol I said I would not but here we are. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Absofreakinglutely it’s worth it I aid $549 when it was first released. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I have a P09c and so far fired 180 SaB 124. One time the bolt was caught and there was still one round left in the magazine. Someone already showed this on youtube.
Yeah I’ve saw that but happily haven’t experienced it myself yet but will report if I do. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@jboss007 yeah likely but as you could see in my original review of this gun and shorts I “John Wicked” this mags on the ground 6 or 8’ from where I was standing and they’ve functioned fine. Could be a certain lot hard to say.
Does your Defender CCW have a pretty considerable brightness difference between (I think) setting 6 and 7? Most of the time with red dots it’s a gradual brightening… my defender CCW changes considerably from 6-7. 1-6 and 7-10 are all gradual.
I haven’t ever paid that close of attention. I cannot stand a bright red dot the brighter. It is the more distorted it looks to me the smaller the better for me. Heck sometimes it’s so light I can barely see it lol but I typically keep mine around two or three. I will check and let you know.
I didn't quite have the issues Honest Outlaw had, but my P09C was frequently locking the slide back on a loaded mag (multiple times per mag), but ONLY with the TLR-7 HLX mounted. This was before and after installing an EPS on it. Upon further investigation I noticed the part of the slide stop lever that engages the magazine follower was always in contact with the metal magazine tube when the mag was loaded. I thought maybe the mag was putting just enough pressure on the slide stop that the recoil impulse, with the added weight of a light on the rail, was popping it up just enough to lock the slide. I had 800 rounds through the gun up to this point, and all the failures happened only when the light was installed. About half of those rounds were with the EPS on and I was not having any ejector issues. I decided to use a dremel and shave just enough of the slide stop so that it would no longer contact the magazine tube on a loaded mag. Once I verified I had enough clearance I went back to the range and went through 12 full mags in a row without issue (180 rounds). Previously I would have 1-4 failures every single mag. So I think that might have done the trick.
Sweet thanks for this info. Mine doesn’t seem to have this issue but I don’t own that particular light either. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
There’s no reason for me not to. For me he has been a flawless animal like all CZ’s I’ve ever owned. So I would say yes in my experience. Thanks for watching
Igman is a Bosnian supplier of commercial and military ammunition. I’ve shot a moderate about of it and never had any issues. I think the price reflects exchange rates and inexpensive labor more that quality of production.
I shot a lot of it today in various different guns and it did great so I have no issues with it whatsoever. Probably going to start buying some more of it. Thanks for watching it for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
The magtech is 115gr which is all I used in this video. Although I have shot 124 and 147 through it. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical Thank you for the reply. I notice I didn't specify, yours were ejecting better and more aggressively than HO. Thanks again and certainly a sub.
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Its sporadic, did it the last time out. I'm around 400 rounds in so far. No optic added yet as I am still evaluating. Looks like that might be another thing to watch for. I also noticed that if you rack a round into an empty gun with slide forward it won't always pick up the first round also. I am going to clean and inspect the mags maybe that part of the issue too.
So there are 2 lengths of M4 screws and they were all 4 in the same bag that was simply label m4 I used the shorter of the 2 and again the longer may have been find and I haven’t dug into it nor do I know for a fact that OH’s problem was the optic screws. This was mostly just speculation and making sure mine didn’t have the same issue. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@lindquisteddie4228 without finding the bag which I have a bad habit of doing that is just trying to find visually what I believe works and not making note of the bag it came from I’m 99.5% sure it was a M4X0.7X8.6mm. I believe the ones offered in the vortex CCW pack are M4x0.7x11mm and M4x0.7x9.8mm which may be perfectly fine and I’m just paranoid. Either way it held zero the screws or optic didn’t move and the gun didn’t malfunction the way his did so I’m going to stick with the M4x0.7x8.6mm unless there becomes a issue which I will report.
Yes, my video was in response to the video he uploaded last night. I’m just curious why you are shaking your head and why you are asking if I am familiar with his channel because in the video I mentioned that I have watched him for years.
After watching and editing this video with a camera from another angle it was obvious that the recoil from the plus P cause me to hit the slide lock because I wasn’t gripping as tightly as I should have after shooting almost 200 rounds of low fps range ammo. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
It's not impossible that HO got a lemon, but I really hope he is thorough as he goes through the pistol to determine if it was an issue with the optic screw or if he possibly damaged the slide stop/ejector when he first jammed in an ill-fitting mag. It'd just be a shame for thousands of people to miss out on this gun because of a self-inflicted issue, or for so many to avoid CZ for a nonexistent quality concern. But maybe he really did get a lemon... I just hope his 1000 round review covers everything.
@@GSquaredTactical My P-09c has been the same. I got it the first week it was out, and my first 250 round range day was zero malfunctions and I shoot it better than any other pistol I own. Given how happy I was with it, I was very excited to see HO's review because I knew tons of people were waiting for it before buying one, so to see HO's video riddled with malfunctions was so disheartenening. Even more so if they were self-inflicted malfunctions because his video could cause thousands of people to lose trust in CZ.
As I have mentioned before I only use universal OWB leather holsters as I do not like kydex holsters because I feel they are uncomfortable. I use Versacarry, 1791 Gun Leather etc.
Well I have 6 videos up on this gun and it’s never failed on me once. So I’m not sure if you are talking about Honest Outlaws gun or mine. However when I made that suggestion I looked heavily into that claim I made myself. The design of this gun wouldn’t allow that. The screw would hit sold metal and stop if it were to long and it wouldn’t be able to touch the extraction spring. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical I used short screws and my CZ P-09C nocturne so far is 100%. People that I trust claim that long screws bottom out on the extractor. I have not completely stripped the slide to see how it is drilled and tapped for optics. I do know on glocks that will happen. I have been running RMRs since 2010 once Suarez international started to offer slide milling and the optics. No reason that a gun that is exactly identical to another proven model with the exception of a slide cut should fail for more than one youtuber, but then again one never knows. By look that means with the extractor removed, to see if it is drilled through at that point or if the drilled and tapped hole is blind as you say. Anyway what I have works and if the gun works out for me I will get another one as a backup for the first gun that will be used for training.
I feel like with Chris’s fire arm knowledge that’s likely not what happened but I just threw out there as an option. He may have just got a lemon. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already.
Why are you trying to diagnose a malfunction issue with a particular firearm using all the wrong magazines? Why not diagnose the original problem with the factory mags the pistol came with. Then try other mags. I'm confused about your methods I guess.
Well, one of several different things is going on here. You either just skimmed through the video and did not watch the whole thing. You did not see my other reviews. You don’t know the premises behind why it is I was using different magazines, which was the other reviewer, tried using some of those magazines and it did not work and I wanted to see for myself if they would work. I’ve already done two reviews on this gun and had no problems only using the factory magazines. Obviously, you have not saw those or you would not be suggesting that, I have had no problems with my firearm none whatsoever so I don’t know why I would be trying to diagnose anything. I was simply doing video to try an duplicate an issue that another reviewer had, and because the other reviewer had said issue I wanted to see if mine would do the same thing because I carry this thing around. I did a follow up to this live about an hour ago, and I only used the factory magazines. So I would hope that you would look at those other items or videos before you would pass judgment. I sincerely hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching.
P07/09/10 magazines and cz75 magazines are not interchangeable. The shadow mag isn’t for the p07/09/10 guns. Not at all. P10, P07, P09, and the full size DWX are made with the same pattern magazines. They may vary in length but they are the same. None of the other CZ 75 based guns have compatible magazines with those p10/09/07/dwx full side guns. You might be able to get one to work but it’s not meant to. Other than making me nuts over the magazine compatibility great info thanks for the video.
@ACxREAL didn’t say they was “meant” for them simply was checking to see if it would “work” and if you had saw my previous video you would know why I done that. Thanks for watching
Heck my wife was limping it a little as well and she had no issues so I’m anxiously waiting to hear what he finds out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
22 minutes of assumptions, poor diagnosis, inconclusive testing,. Start with a stock baseline. Stop with different magazines. Stop with faulty optic mounting. Go back to Stock pistol with the stick OE magazines.
After watching HO, I was concerned this gun had a design flaw. You shed some light on a potential issues. Hope you’re right. Well done.
Well, there is a part of me that hopes I am right because I am such a CZ fan. It’s hard to hear about one failing, especially in the hands of someone as big as the honest outlaw, but if it failed it failed, and it must be reported the truth is out there somewhere lol. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
I don't see how it could be a design issue since the only thing they've changed are external features, the operational design is the same. It would have to be a Q.C. issue.
@JMBAmericanIronShallNotBeInfri I’m not sure if there is any issue as mine had no issues. Not sure if you watched the video or not. Thanks for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical Yes I watched the whole video, I was referring to Honest Outlaw's issues, you've definitely got a good one! Subscribed.
Oh I see lol. Thanks
The fact that you investigated it makes me like it once again. Was worried about it for a minute because cz’s are amazing and don’t have many issues
Yes sir they are. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Adding a optic adds weight to the slide. Cz might have to add a stiffer recoil spring to compensate. New models sometimes have bugs to work out.
@leadfarmer556 I’ve done my best in 6 videos and make mine fail and it hasn’t once. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
If you have a problem on any platform, the diagnosis should be new ammo (which he did), if it continues, take the light off (it's easy to test). If it continues take the optic off. If it stops with the optic removed, put the light back on. Ect. Goes for any attachments or aftermarket parts. Always troubleshoot.
Outlaw had a tlr7hlx on. The one other person I've seen with issues was using that very light. No matter how lose he installed the light it was engaging the slide stop randomly, not causing lock back, but causing ftf.
I know the cz has roll pins and is a pain to disassemble the slide, but if the issue is narrowed to the optic, a full slide breakdown is in order to check for possible interference. All things i would do before I i sent it back to the manufacturer.
Anyway, thanks for the video. Cool to see you run a og 75 mag (not the same, more narrow) and the p10/09 mags (the same). Good video as always, and appreciate the hard work.
Yeah, the light that I had on there was that quick disconnect light that surefire makes that does not screw down to the side of the rail. I may get the OG light that screws on and put it on as I normally would not over but enough and I think I’m also going to let my wife shoot it, although she did shoot in the initial review without problems, but it had a different optic on it at that time and no light
@@GSquaredTactical and of course all screw on lights are going to pinch at a different spot. Sometime the tooth for the pic rail is at the front of the clamp, or back, different clamp dimensions ect. A lot of things to trouble shoot. When a platform has been out a while everyone figures out the interference points and how to prevent issues. But this is new. Most issues are user induced rather they realize they caused it or not.
@dylanholbrook6239 headed to the range now trying to outrun the rain to try a few more things.
Solid theory on the optics screws. Optics are a slipery slope. I am getting older and run optics on every gun I own that is optics ready. What I have found over the years is screw length is very important, as is optic weight. Both can induce malfunctions in a pistol. I also put a solid 200-300 through every gun for break in and to test function before mounting an optic and always clean and lube my guns out of the box. I follow this on new and used guns. After that I mount and zero an optic run another 100-200 rounds and then it is good to go.
Sounds like a solid plan. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Thx for the info was worried , had made plans to buy the p09 , then I saw Honest outlaws vid and was disappointed at the p09 but now I have more confidence thx
I trust my life with it but that’s my experience can’t speak to anyone else’s. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
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Thx yes sir I have subscribed, keep ‘em coming lol
Ty sir
Good video. Honest Outlaw's video was the first time I'd heard anything negative about the P09c Nocturne and was surprised by his results,. I read in the comments on his video about trying it without the optic and I'm glad you went one step further and experimented with the screws.
Again, as I have said, in the other comments, I do not even know if it’s possible for the screw to actually hit the extractor spring as it may be completely enclosed. I’m just not sure, but it seemed awful odd to me that when I did run a screw into the extractor rod on a different firearm I had that very same exact failure so it calls me to be suspect of that. I don’t think he really looks at his comments because his channel is so big. He just does not have the time or capacity to read all of them and respond, but I hope that he will try that before he sends it back, so we can all know for sure. Thanks for watching for commenting and sure to subscribe if you have not already
Before anyone calls me out I just want to say that during the video I said slide lock and I meant mag release and when I said mag release when I meant slide lock. Also when I was referring to my P10F and having installed the CCW on it I meant to say the P09 F. So I edited this video a little to quickly and didn’t catch them to later. Sorry any questions just ask and I will clear it up. Also after watching the video back it’s obvious that the slide had locked back when I was shooting my plus P ammunition and likely due to me hitting the slide lock because of having to weak of a grip for the ammunition I was shooting.
Do you think the larger controls could be bumped during firing more? Like the slide lock/release? I have had screws from the optic bind the extractor on Glock pistols if the screws were too long as well. I wish HO ran without optic for a few hundred to check baseline reliability.
@cw7631 yeah but the controls on the new p09 c and f are actually lower profile than the original p07
Thank you. The information you shared is the reason these forms are so helpful. I own a P07 as my EDC, I too saw HO. Very concerned with the noted failures. CZ is a standard Great details from a new subscriber
Ty sir. I used the M4x0.7x8.6mm from my 100’s of screws I had. Now with that said in no way am I saying that the reason for his failure was definitely the optic as I just do not know so 11 mm or the nine point something millimeter that comes with the vortex CCW may be just fine. It’s just that I have mounted a ton of optics in my life and it’s just something an OCD person like myself feels and it just didn’t feel right like it did with the 8.6 mm screws. People have to understand that the CCW was on the market well before the PO9 opticoptic ready was.
Nice job. Thank you for taking the time to look into this further. Please keep us posted regarding any additional malfunctions, or lack thereof. (That was no limp wrist. :) Update: Mine runs flawlessly. It's accurate and fun to shoot. I used the short 8-9mm M4 screws for my greendot.
I watched the video back while editing and I always have a 2nd camera from another angle in case one stops recording and I’m not good enough at editing to figure out how to overlay it yet so I might do another video but in the other angle you can plainly see my thumb slap the slide lock. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I sure am glad i watched this video! I just bought this gun. I did buy it after I saw Honest Outlaw's review. I too have been watching his videos for a long time. I know how much he cherishes that old P 07 he has. I have a p10 and 75 compact. I love both of those guns, and they've both been reliable. No issues at all. I figured his was just one of those guns. Guess it must happen sometime. I certainly don't think it's all of them.
I have 3 rmsc dots not mounted, one being the CCW. I'm still not sure which I'm putting on. The others are Holosun 507k gr. , and a Romeo X compact.
It just shipped today, so It'll probably be next week before it delivers.
Thanks for this excellent video, sir!
Ty sir and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already and let me know how you like it
I thought the exact same thing and left a comment on chris's vid saying to remove the optic and retest. You mentioned the echelon - i too had an issue with longer screws, once i switched to short screws, not a single issue!
Yeah, as I said in several of the other comments, I’m not even sure if the screw can hit the in spring. I need to look into it a little bit, but just having had that issue in the past I was throwing it out there as a potential. I’m sure with his firearm knowledge that’s not the case. He probably just got a lemon, but I’m anxious to find out what’s going on with it. Thanks for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Had this issue on my sig p229 legion Rxp. It was the screws were to long and were causing problems. Switched to shorter screws and not a hiccup since
@davidtevis8978 that’s how it was on my Echelon I mean the same exact issue OH was having to a T and I’m not sure if that’s what is going on now with his or if you are even able to touch it through the slide but I can’t wait to find out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Yeah, it's the screws. I just saw Suarez tactics having the same issues. He put shorter screwes in it and it was fine.
I’ve heard so many different things idk what to believe
I just picked up my p-09 nocturne today with a holosun 507 will try it tomorrow. Love the fit and feel l am a cz shooter
Yeah man love me some CZ. Both mine (F,C) have been great.
I have a ton of CZ75 patterned mags. They are all Mecgar with the blue followers. Thankfully, they all functioned 100%, even had slide lock on all as well. Didn’t have any fall out. I think he got a lemon, but I know he’s gonna have doubt about that gun, even when it comes back. I don’t remember if he shot it without the optic or not, but that’s one thing I’ve always done with optic ready pistols. I shoot a couple hundred rounds through it without the optic, to make sure it works. Then, once the optic goes on shoot it more. If it has function issues, it’s more than likely the optic (either weight or screws being too long.
Yeah, like I have said in the other comments, I’m not sure if the screw is even capable of hitting the ejection spring but I know that exact same thing to a T happen to me in another firearm and the ejector was holding onto the casing and it turned out to be the screw in the optic so I was just curious and of course I carry the gun a lot so I wanted to be sure it would function since I had changed over to the CCW optic. Thanks for watching and taking time to comment.
Got mine a couple weeks ago. Only got 150 rounds through it so far. Had 2 failure to return to battery on first couple of mags and no issues since. Shot Magtech 115GR, 124GR and CCI 115GR FMJs. Have several CZs but have only tried the original P-07 mags with this gun and no issues with them. I don't run optics. Ran a couple mags in DA only, no issues.
My Gen5G19 had FTF, lightstrikes and return to battery issues for the first 300 rounds. Fine since then.
@kwisatzhaderach1458 wow I’ve never had a break in with any of my Glocks. Thanks for watching it for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
It’s solid man it is but there’s going to be a lemon in everything just sad it had to go to one of the biggest tubers lol.
Came looking for a video just like this, because I also watched HO and saw his issues with the P09C. I couldn't believe that something based on the P07 could malfunction like that. Thank you for doing this. Bravo Zulu.
I’m not saying that his findings were self-induced or wrong and that he simply did not just get a lemon. All I can do is report about mine and my experience so far has been nothing but flawless. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already
I just picked up a P09 F. When I installed my optic on it, I had the exact save screw issue with it. I didn’t force it and I don’t know why anyone would. I took it out and filed maybe 1/16 off the screw. After doing that the screw ran in absolutely fine. No issues with the gun.
Yeah if I can find a screw without having to file one I will go that route and I was fortunate to have one. I filed one one time and because I did the tip of the screw rusted from having been cut and I was fortunate to get it out after noticing rust inside my slide and finally figuring it out
I commented on HO’s video that if there was a potential issue , remove the optic and if the problem doesn’t reoccur you can blame the optic mounting.
Yeah I don’t think he looks at his comments and I can’t say that I blame him it’s just to much. Heck an office full of people couldn’t look and answer to all the comments no way. Heck I’m thankful that I’m still able to but I won’t be able to for much longer that’s why I’m encouraging people to go over to Patreon to support me on a more intimate platform
thank you for doing this. I was considering getting one
Yes, sir!! This gun has been nothing but great for me. I shot it a bunch more off camera without any problems so far I have about 700 rounds through it and the only issue which really was not an issue. It was obvious that I hit the slide lock was when it locked back when I was shooting Plus p ammo. I totally trust this firearm and this manufacture. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Good video glad your P09c is running well. CZ wins keep the content coming.
Ty sir and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
It was definitely odd that he had those problems. I did also notice that his wife had far more malfunctions while shooting than he did so maybe part of the problem was grip strength and wrist exacerbating whatever the issue actually is? Will be interesting to see what happens. Happy to see that your pistol isn't having the same issues.
Yeah I done a follow up to this video it’s been up about 12 hrs and my wife shot it on camera and she’s know to limp wrist and had no issues. I’m anxiously awaiting to hear what he finds. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
No optic on mine. Zero malfunctions with about 300 through it.
No issues with mine optic, light or ammo all good
I picked one up today used from a gentleman. I have zero issues. Runs flawless. I dont have a red dot, but that could be the issue.
Who knows mine has been flawless. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Yes i was thinking the same thing about the honest outlaws video, but still broke my heart . I love the p07 and nocturne. .
I can’t wait to find out what happened
Me too , just watched another video channel J,Zhredz. Did a video nocturne vs glock 19 .his nocturne had the same malfunction yours did . The last rd was in magazine slide back . I didn't know if he caused it because he's a glock freak , but same as your
@waterhead1359 after watching the video and editing it, it was obvious that the slide locked back and I almost certainly hit the slide lock because my grip wasn’t as tight as it should have been with the +p ammo.
@@waterhead1359I am consistently getting slide lock with one round in the magazine. Sometimes in the middle of a magazine.
Is it you or the gun
Personally i got my czp09c n took it to the range on Aug 27th (before my optic came in) and just had a bunchh of issues right out of the box. So you i greased her up n locked in if you will to make sure i wasn't limp wristing or riding the slide and was still having issues, i even got a box of blazer from the range to make sure it wasnt the ammo, ig a couple of them just slip thru QC or something.. CZ are great guns, typically, i just know alot of people wish they hadnt bought a lemon lol
Blah blah blah all that to say I don't necessarily think the optic was the issue w the firearm at least not in my case lolol for someone TH-cam around trying to find a solution like me
Yeah that sucks man
@GSquaredTactical I am determined to find a solution NTL
Let me know if you do
Is the p07 good to go tho? I could care less for optic for my intended use case, but I def do not want to spend a nickel on guns with issues. I only have money to buy one gun every 10 years or so. So I have to be very selective sadly.
Hello sir, in the end what length screws did you wind up using? Currently I have m4 10mm screws
M4 X 0.7 X 8.6mm I used from my swampfox optic screw kit I purchased quite a few of. The 9.8mm might be ok from the vortex optic screws available but the 8.6 ones worked great for me on the C and F. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
my cz p10f does not like wide cavity bullets, it failed to feed Federal HST once on me, after that I turned to run critical defense hollow points, they have sharper tips and never fail to feed again.
Sweet thanks for the info and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I have the same problem with loading from slide stop . When slingshotting the slide it loads fine
@@GSquaredTactical been a long-time subscriber, really enjoy your contents, so cool. Thanks.
@smithparker7971 Ty sir
Are you still carrying this gun? Any new discoveries with it? I had mine to the range this past weekend and had 4 FTF in one box of 50 Magtech. Ran 150 rounds of Blazer 124 gr and it ran flawless. I’m starting to think the P-09 C just doesn’t like Magtech.
No issues and yes still use it
Good video. That Cz is nice. My only problem is i bought p07 few months back
Yeah, well you know that’s how it is every time you buy one. The next best thing comes out right after that I’m sure you will pick it up at some point lol I said I would not but here we are. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
What’s the cost for these? I saw some at my local sheep’s for 478 for the compact. Is it worth it?
Absofreakinglutely it’s worth it I aid $549 when it was first released. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Have you had any issues with the P09 F
i have 6 videos up!! Check them out
I have a P09c and so far fired 180 SaB 124. One time the bolt was caught and there was still one round left in the magazine. Someone already showed this on youtube.
Yeah I’ve saw that but happily haven’t experienced it myself yet but will report if I do. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical I assume the spring in the magazine is to blame.
@jboss007 yeah likely but as you could see in my original review of this gun and shorts I “John Wicked” this mags on the ground 6 or 8’ from where I was standing and they’ve functioned fine. Could be a certain lot hard to say.
Idk i think its just a lemon HO had its still just a po7 inside and they are so so reliable
Right I think everyone is anxious to find out. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Does your Defender CCW have a pretty considerable brightness difference between (I think) setting 6 and 7? Most of the time with red dots it’s a gradual brightening… my defender CCW changes considerably from 6-7. 1-6 and 7-10 are all gradual.
I haven’t ever paid that close of attention. I cannot stand a bright red dot the brighter. It is the more distorted it looks to me the smaller the better for me. Heck sometimes it’s so light I can barely see it lol but I typically keep mine around two or three. I will check and let you know.
I didn't quite have the issues Honest Outlaw had, but my P09C was frequently locking the slide back on a loaded mag (multiple times per mag), but ONLY with the TLR-7 HLX mounted. This was before and after installing an EPS on it. Upon further investigation I noticed the part of the slide stop lever that engages the magazine follower was always in contact with the metal magazine tube when the mag was loaded. I thought maybe the mag was putting just enough pressure on the slide stop that the recoil impulse, with the added weight of a light on the rail, was popping it up just enough to lock the slide. I had 800 rounds through the gun up to this point, and all the failures happened only when the light was installed. About half of those rounds were with the EPS on and I was not having any ejector issues. I decided to use a dremel and shave just enough of the slide stop so that it would no longer contact the magazine tube on a loaded mag. Once I verified I had enough clearance I went back to the range and went through 12 full mags in a row without issue (180 rounds). Previously I would have 1-4 failures every single mag. So I think that might have done the trick.
Sweet thanks for this info. Mine doesn’t seem to have this issue but I don’t own that particular light either. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Would you recommend buying this weapon?
There’s no reason for me not to. For me he has been a flawless animal like all CZ’s I’ve ever owned. So I would say yes in my experience. Thanks for watching
Igman is a Bosnian supplier of commercial and military ammunition. I’ve shot a moderate about of it and never had any issues. I think the price reflects exchange rates and inexpensive labor more that quality of production.
I shot a lot of it today in various different guns and it did great so I have no issues with it whatsoever. Probably going to start buying some more of it. Thanks for watching it for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
What grain rds are you using with the Magtechs? Yours seem to be ejecting far more aggressively ?
The magtech is 115gr which is all I used in this video. Although I have shot 124 and 147 through it. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical Thank you for the reply. I notice I didn't specify, yours were ejecting better and more aggressively than HO. Thanks again and certainly a sub.
Ty sir
I really enjoy your gun reviews, I hope you get sponsored and would just like to say I hope God blesses you
The Bible says that a man would be foolish to suppose great gain is godliness. Yes I am blessed with things but if I had none of those I’m bless to know the savior and to be washed in His Blood and to know I have a home with him. Everything else is just icing. Thanks for watching and if you are able support me monthly on Patreon you can cancel anytime $5 a month. Thanks again
@@GSquaredTactical outstanding sir, Amen!
@Koolwhip3232 thank you and thanks thanks for watching
I have had the last round not feed on 3 occasions, both mags did it.
Has it consistently done that or is it something that’s worked itself out?
Its sporadic, did it the last time out. I'm around 400 rounds in so far. No optic added yet as I am still evaluating. Looks like that might be another thing to watch for. I also noticed that if you rack a round into an empty gun with slide forward it won't always pick up the first round also. I am going to clean and inspect the mags maybe that part of the issue too.
I have tried that but will.
So what screws did you use
So there are 2 lengths of M4 screws and they were all 4 in the same bag that was simply label m4 I used the shorter of the 2 and again the longer may have been find and I haven’t dug into it nor do I know for a fact that OH’s problem was the optic screws. This was mostly just speculation and making sure mine didn’t have the same issue. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@lindquisteddie4228 without finding the bag which I have a bad habit of doing that is just trying to find visually what I believe works and not making note of the bag it came from I’m 99.5% sure it was a M4X0.7X8.6mm. I believe the ones offered in the vortex CCW pack are M4x0.7x11mm and M4x0.7x9.8mm which may be perfectly fine and I’m just paranoid. Either way it held zero the screws or optic didn’t move and the gun didn’t malfunction the way his did so I’m going to stick with the M4x0.7x8.6mm unless there becomes a issue which I will report.
Hey G Square Tactical, Honest Outlaw did a review of this pistol and had alot of problems with it.
Did you watch my video
@@GSquaredTactical im going check it when i get some down time at work.
smh I love it 😅. Hey G square are you familiar with the honest outlaw you tube channel? 😂😂😂
I am why you ask
Yes, my video was in response to the video he uploaded last night. I’m just curious why you are shaking your head and why you are asking if I am familiar with his channel because in the video I mentioned that I have watched him for years.
This is the third video I've seen where the round fails to feed. it just lays on the follower. Not good!
After watching and editing this video with a camera from another angle it was obvious that the recoil from the plus P cause me to hit the slide lock because I wasn’t gripping as tightly as I should have after shooting almost 200 rounds of low fps range ammo. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
It's not impossible that HO got a lemon, but I really hope he is thorough as he goes through the pistol to determine if it was an issue with the optic screw or if he possibly damaged the slide stop/ejector when he first jammed in an ill-fitting mag.
It'd just be a shame for thousands of people to miss out on this gun because of a self-inflicted issue, or for so many to avoid CZ for a nonexistent quality concern.
But maybe he really did get a lemon... I just hope his 1000 round review covers everything.
Yeah me 2 because my p09 F and C have been amazing zero issues
@@GSquaredTactical My P-09c has been the same. I got it the first week it was out, and my first 250 round range day was zero malfunctions and I shoot it better than any other pistol I own.
Given how happy I was with it, I was very excited to see HO's review because I knew tons of people were waiting for it before buying one, so to see HO's video riddled with malfunctions was so disheartenening. Even more so if they were self-inflicted malfunctions because his video could cause thousands of people to lose trust in CZ.
@treedoor yeah man and he could have got a lemon who knows but I can’t wait till we find out.
Which holster You are using with this gun ? I bought mine P-09 C two weeks ago and I'm still looking for a proper holster.
As I have mentioned before I only use universal OWB leather holsters as I do not like kydex holsters because I feel they are uncomfortable. I use Versacarry, 1791 Gun Leather etc.
Muddy river tactical has an amazing holster for it ! Conceals so well for me especially with a claw
@@MkArms1997 Thanks!
@MkArms1997 thanks for the heads up on Muddy River. Great company!!
I only have to listen for 20 seconds and see the mounted optic. The screw going into the right of the frame is too long and binding the extractor.
Well I have 6 videos up on this gun and it’s never failed on me once. So I’m not sure if you are talking about Honest Outlaws gun or mine. However when I made that suggestion I looked heavily into that claim I made myself. The design of this gun wouldn’t allow that. The screw would hit sold metal and stop if it were to long and it wouldn’t be able to touch the extraction spring. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical I used short screws and my CZ P-09C nocturne so far is 100%. People that I trust claim that long screws bottom out on the extractor. I have not completely stripped the slide to see how it is drilled and tapped for optics. I do know on glocks that will happen. I have been running RMRs since 2010 once Suarez international started to offer slide milling and the optics.
No reason that a gun that is exactly identical to another proven model with the exception of a slide cut should fail for more than one youtuber, but then again one never knows.
By look that means with the extractor removed, to see if it is drilled through at that point or if the drilled and tapped hole is blind as you say. Anyway what I have works and if the gun works out for me I will get another one as a backup for the first gun that will be used for training.
@loquat4440 idk I wish HO would update soon
I was thinking same thing
I feel like with Chris’s fire arm knowledge that’s likely not what happened but I just threw out there as an option. He may have just got a lemon. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already.
You probably accidentally hit your slide lock shooting the hot plus P ammo.
Oh for sure that’s what happened it was on me
Why are you trying to diagnose a malfunction issue with a particular firearm using all the wrong magazines? Why not diagnose the original problem with the factory mags the pistol came with. Then try other mags. I'm confused about your methods I guess.
Well, one of several different things is going on here. You either just skimmed through the video and did not watch the whole thing. You did not see my other reviews. You don’t know the premises behind why it is I was using different magazines, which was the other reviewer, tried using some of those magazines and it did not work and I wanted to see for myself if they would work. I’ve already done two reviews on this gun and had no problems only using the factory magazines. Obviously, you have not saw those or you would not be suggesting that, I have had no problems with my firearm none whatsoever so I don’t know why I would be trying to diagnose anything. I was simply doing video to try an duplicate an issue that another reviewer had, and because the other reviewer had said issue I wanted to see if mine would do the same thing because I carry this thing around. I did a follow up to this live about an hour ago, and I only used the factory magazines. So I would hope that you would look at those other items or videos before you would pass judgment. I sincerely hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching.
P07/09/10 magazines and cz75 magazines are not interchangeable. The shadow mag isn’t for the p07/09/10 guns. Not at all.
P10, P07, P09, and the full size DWX are made with the same pattern magazines. They may vary in length but they are the same.
None of the other CZ 75 based guns have compatible magazines with those p10/09/07/dwx full side guns. You might be able to get one to work but it’s not meant to.
Other than making me nuts over the magazine compatibility great info thanks for the video.
@ACxREAL didn’t say they was “meant” for them simply was checking to see if it would “work” and if you had saw my previous video you would know why I done that. Thanks for watching
I'm pretty sure his wife was limp wristing it.
Heck my wife was limping it a little as well and she had no issues so I’m anxiously waiting to hear what he finds out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
New 1200 Review out on the CZ Nocturne if anyone is interested th-cam.com/video/TykSJuOrZFs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fpbUnFuERj7dxDPk
Do you have a TH-cam review channel?
22 minutes of assumptions, poor diagnosis, inconclusive testing,. Start with a stock baseline. Stop with different magazines. Stop with faulty optic mounting. Go back to Stock pistol with the stick OE magazines.
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