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CZ Po9 review/issues (5000+ rounds)
I have had this Cz Po9 for almost two years and I love it. I love everything except for its reliability. After 5000 rounds fired, the Po9 has shown 3 major problems that turn me off from considering it has a duty firearm.
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Here because mine took a 4 foot fall never shot my trigger reset is visibly blocking the slide 🤦🏻♂️
Interesting and good information to share. I own this very pistol. And I've owned much higher-end CZs as well. I consider the brand superior to almost every other gun maker excluding SIG which seems better made than just about anything else.
I have brand new CZ P09 C nocturn / 100% reliable / just changed hammer spring for lighter one and guess what - misfire after misfire / I am goin back to all factory stuff ASAP !
Don't fuck with every aspect of a gun / leave it factory / it will run 100%
I was thinking of selling my Glock 34 and buy a CZ P09 SR😅. Thanks to this video I changed my mind. For Glocks the trigger return spring is the firing pin spring. So simple that it is almost perfect😅
Thanks a lot for bringing out these issues. For me, unlike others here, dry firing or firing 5,000 rounds is not really abuse. This gun is supposed to be the one that I would buy, but now, I don't think so. I hope you make a review of other guns you have after this one.
The p07/09 is issued as a duty gun all over the world and has been for over a decade, but first time gun owner abuses gun and says its not qualified for duty use… You can have problems with any make/model you abuse, glock included. Dry fire on a snap cap. You should expect to change recoil/ trigger springs at regular intervals, like changing oil/filters in your car. 3000-5000 rounds is a common guideline for this maintenance.
No idea CZ USA. It's best to check everything, but I do a trigger job on everything and wought highly recommend the CZ 0.8mm lighter return spring, I pretty much polish everything and use compounds on parts that I don't want to fly off anywhere. I would highly recommend getting aftermarket parts from CZ or other CZ pistols company's in Chezia (or IMI parts of the fit) when I got mine I did a trigger job as in polished alot of parts but even internal parts, but on any CZ I replace the pin with a solid one with high tense strength. Not much work and less than 20 dollars in parts you can get these to some of the best pistols, But you realy don't want to mess with putting in lighter main and slide springs as that's when real problems start happening. As with any weapon, even AKs you should check the springs every so often and you should always clean any firearm you depend on after shootingx it does not take long, also use the correct lubricants. As for me I've gone though over 2k (the majority being low quality ammo as in steel case and reman, by doing a while trigger job and making the gun alotndkoother I did not really need to break it in much. I've changed springs that should be changed every 1k, cleaned and lined it properly. I've only ever had one failure but it was when shooting some very cheap reman, the round did not go off but when I pulled the trigger another time it did and when I looked at the case the primer was in way too deep. I don't know why CZ ships with weak pins (some are fine after many rounds but some get beat up quickly so it's so ething I allways replace. The only part Inrecomend people that shoot slot keep and eye on is the slide stop as that does take a beating but if it's made properly it's fine.
Is the hole in the frame where the trigger bar support spring goes damaged?
We’re all these failures on the stock springs/parts or aftermarket parts?
Even if you replaced the Firing Pin Positioning Pin ($5), Trigger Return Spring ($7), and Trigger Bar Support Spring ($3.50) every 5k rounds that’s only $15.50 total and 10 minutes to do. Easy
I’m trying to get clarification here. After you replaced the trigger return spring and firing pin positioning pin with Cajun Gunworks parts did you have any further problems? How many more rounds have you fired through the gun after installing the Cajun Gunworks parts? Before you had problems with the trigger bar spring was it removed or bent by you trying to tune it? Did you eventually replace the trigger bar support spring with a Cajun Gunworks part? Did that fix the issue? How many rounds have you fired after the repair?
Please get the pistol fixed, and do a follow up review.
It comes with a snap cap in the box for a reason. And anyone who puts that many rounfs through a pistol, would likely need to get it gunsmithed. No one else seems to have these issues with the P-09.
⚠️🚫Bogus Misinformation Customer abuse Operator errors Neglect Improper repair🚫⚠️
Consider talking to Cz about this issue? Considering the P09 has been used and is still being used as a duty weapon in both military and Leo applications in several countries, perhaps you hit one of the few lemons that can come out of any mass produced product. Hav several Cz models including a p09 with well over 5 k rounds and have had zero issues. Totally surprises me.
get a p30, you won't regret it
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After the first couple of thousand, might want to replace somethings. Nothing especially springs are lifetime.
Love My p09 here is my custom one. th-cam.com/users/shortsH6CHYX25jA4?feature=share
No disrespect intended, but if you abuse something over and over, it can't be expected to play nice. I fear that you'd have these issues with almost any handgun. It would be interesting to see you review another of your guns with the same round count put through it, and see where it stacks up.
Firing pin’s don’t just stick out of a gun. You know how many lawsuits that would lead to? I think you’re not telling the people everything about your situation
Never trust a man who uses Olight
I am impressed with your round count. Plus dry firing... obviously time for a refresh. You must really like the gun or you wouldnt have so many rounds thru it. I'd never be able to fire a Glock that many times, I dislike that trigger. What is the factory warranty on CZ guns? Looks to be 5 years.....fyi.
I would never dry fire any pistol 1000's of times without snap caps. That's asking for problems with the firing pin.
What standard do you have if this is your first gun? Opinions of a first gun owner are like shit, everyone had some! Stop putting after market parts in your fire arms and blaming a manufacturer. 5000 rounds and how many dry fires, 10k 20k everything wears out, springs pins slides! Replace worn parts, purchase a new gun, mostly stop giving opinions from ignorance, when you have five ten twenty years of gained knowledge, you might have something to share with someone!!
I was shooting some 9mm 115gr jhp rounds through my CZ P09 and it kept jamming. Can anyone explain why?
Some guns don't like certain hollowpoints. Gotta test different ammo.
@@Catgat37 yeah I figured out it was just the ammo.
It can be the recoil spring. 07 and 09 have pretty light springs.
If you say "i replaced the trigger in my Glock to get a 3 lbs pull and a great reset" the response is... that's because Glock sucks. If you say "I replaced parts in my CZ because they broke the response is "how dare you doubt that CZ pistols are shit straight out of a unicorn's ars and shoot rainbows out of the barrel reliably." Oh and I own the p09 with a manufacturer date of 2022. No issues yet but MIM parts are a crap shoot and CZ doesn't make guns that are above challenge when one breaks. Oh and just to ensure that someone gets butt hurt... this would never happen with a Glock.
Apples to Oranges. This would never happen to a P10f or P10C either which are striker fired DAO pistols like Glock. I own Glocks and CZ's and the P10 series is literally just as good or better than Glocks for less money. Also, this kid just didn't know not to dry fire that model without snap caps or something. He straight admitted to dry firing that pistol a bunch and while yes the Glock won't have issues after 1000's and 1000's of dry fires without snap caps or something neither will the P10. To my knowledge almost all single action hammer fired CZ's can't handle being dry fired without dummy rounds or something to cushion the hammer to firing pin hit. Before there was Glock there was the CZ 75B and trust me that pistol is a tank.
The trigger spring in the p07 and p09 are a weak part in these guns. Yes he should have used snap caps to cushion to hammer fall but this part will still break eventually even under normal use. I have both and have replaced the trigger return spring in both, no dry firing without the included snap caps that came with the gun and I fired live rounds way more than dry fire. The point was that CZ fanboys defend CZ like someone insulted their mothers. ALL manufactures and ALL guns have something that could have been done better.
5,000+ rds threw my p09 have never had 1 issue.
My stock P09 I am about 10k thru it. Went to the range today in fact. 300 rounds and not a hiccup. Only issue i have ever had was ammo related. Same ammo in another weapon caused the same issue. It's why i had the CZ out today in fact. Along with an M&P 2.0 and Sig Legion P320. Testing ammo across several guns to make sure it performs in anything i might load it in too. Going to say you probably just got a bad spring. It might "be in tolerance", but at the outer edge of tolerances. Two mating. Parts each within their respective tolerances can easily suffer an issue is they are both at opposite ends of tolerance. You said you do not see a lot of videos on it. Because it is not common. If it was common. Lime the P320 issue a few years back. EVERYONE would have done a video on it. And that you made changes to the weapon are as likely a cause as the weapon itself. Most finicky 1911 I have. Is also the most expensive and tightest tolerances. Some ammo it will not cycle at all. Whereas a $400 Rock Island eats everything. AK v M16. AK runs through anything. M16 much less tolerant of conditions. But it is a better shoting more accurate platform than the AK is.
Ngl to have to replace a few parts after 5000 rounds isn’t exactly the most unreasonable thing I’ve ever heard, many people replace barrels and or springs on guns after that many rounds imo
This being your first handgun you should not believe all the hype out there that there are pistols that will not have issues. Maintaining pistols including springs is required especially at high round count. Dont delude yourself in thinking other pistols will not need maintenance. The trigger bar spring can wear and needs to be adjusted. A lot of people adjust that spring to make a trigger lighter and it’s not really needed by the way I’ve got way over 5000 rounds in one of my P0 sevens. I upgraded the springs after a couple thousand rounds and the firing pin retaining pin, and I’ve never had a malfunction of any kind through that firearm
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Changes springs, blames gun. Puts bent spring back in, blames gun, dryfires thousands of times, blames gun. Doesn't send gun into CZ for warranty work, blames gun. 😂
First gun, He spent around $1200, 5000 rounds…abuses this pistol…should have bought a $1200 gun
I blame the olight 😂
you must be thankful. Don't be blind. He is helping us to decide.
Bro, my came with a snap cap with replacement soft cushions
5000 rounds is about the right time for a modern handgun show some aging, they are not made to last a lifetime anymore, all the CZ products have MIM internals and in MIM is not the same as a machined piece of steel, in MIM you get whatever they melted that day so durability and reliability is a gamble the experience going to be a divided opinion. I customized one with Cajun parts as well, works fine but I have only around 1000 rounds on it.
My favorite part of this is oh the rolled pin broke. 5,000 ROUNDS LATER SOMETHING BROKE. 😂
I had the exact same trigger problems with my p09 about 500 rounds in but my p07 work great about 1500 rounds into it.
Thank you for this info. Do you still own the gun? Still problems ?
I have a few Cz and this is never a problem very rare issue you had happen…ether contact Cz or go switch back to stock and take your problem up with Cajun gun works not Cz my man and not talked about because doesn’t happen only when swapping random parts in and out just go stock and won’t have a issue again
To add Cajun works has warranty’s on all these stuff as do Cz I think you just had a fluke or something else went on I hope it works out for ya but I’m over 10k and not a single issue on any of the 5 I own but there’s always a chance with any weapon any brand ya know..
I just bought a CZ p09 and immediately had the same dead trigger which I think is caused by the trigger bar spring.
Still dry firing it and messing up that roll pin retaining firing pin.
I'm using P09 in our local IPSC division, stock springs suck I'm at 10,000 rounds with modified springs no problem so far
You done something you're not telling us lol. Stop playing gunsmith when you dont know wtf you're doing smh
Im Glad you said it
Never had an issue with any of my CZ over the many years I have owned them...including my P-09. There are factors that have been left out here.
This is the exact reason I dumped the CZ P09 and 07 platform and switched back to Glock for EDC and HD. Sucks because I love the look, feel, and ergos of it.
And I started having these problems less than a 1000 rounds in.
I have never had any of these issues and i had 12 at one time
@@rkpagano You have to shoot them to experience the failures.
I probably have a whole lot more rounds through those guns, including probably close to 10,000 rounds through P07. In addition of tens of thousands around through Glock platform. I find that the CZ P0 seven and P0 nine are just as reliable with almost 0 issues, and absolutely zero failures. If you know how to maintain them properly. I do know that some of them from time to time will show up that have timing issues. I have not experienced this myself in over a dozen guns.
Something tells me there’s more to the story here. I never seen these kind of issues on any P09 and P07
Me either i have 2 of both
Hey man.. My follow up review? Seems you the only dude done so much and a review
Don't dry fire hammer fired guns that's why it comes with a snap cap
on the other hand it would be pretty intimidating to your enemies to shoot at them with your gun upside down