Sonic Origins is Still Not Finished
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2023
- Sonic Origins Plus is here with an assortment of fixes and additions to the game, making it an improvement from before. But does it reach the status of being the definitive collection?
Corrections:
- The other games have bonus options similar to Sonic 1, but they're hidden and have to be revealed by pressing the sound test (equally inconsistent but still needed correcting)
- I said Super forms were activated in Sonic 2 by pressing up on the d-pad with Y/Triangle but this is not true, all games do it with just Y/Triangle
- You can back out of the level select in Sonic 1 and 2, but you have to press start on the sound test (again, equally inconsistent since Sonic 3 lets you press B/Circle)
- The "I'm outta here" animation exists in classic mode, but not the voice line
- The "Surprise" tab gives a cheat code menu once you complete all the missions which is super cool. (Still nothing to spend coins on, though)
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This seems like such an easy home run for Sega, but they have somehow managed to miss, let go of the bat and watch as it smash a spectator in the face. TWICE.
Best analogy I’ve heard in a while.
"This seems like such an easy home run for Sega"
That should be printed on money
Couldn’t have said it better myself
There is also just no rational reason why they couldn’t have just decompiled the existing enhanced widescreen ports of 1, 2 and CD and fit them all into a collection. Maybe the ambition of what they wanted with the campaign run through all at once and the cutscenes complicated that… but the fans have proven that the decompiled versions of those 3 enhanced versions of the 3 games can be ported to pretty much anything with the necessary specs (and everything that Sonic Origins was released on) so… what the hell Sega? Why did they start from scratch to make inferior, buggy versions of those 3 games when they already had perfect versions of all of them? The added features were neat and all, but I would have rather we just gotten the pretty much perfect remasters of those games we already had in the first place.
Not only that because they struck out on a hanging pitch, so it was easy to hit while being the last out of the extra inning to end the game.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Mario Superstars collection performs better than this shit. It may not have extra content, but it performs like you would expect for multiple ports.
Sonic Origins Will Never Be Finished
Still more finished than colors ultimate
@@gokublack9724agreed
@@gokublack9724 Sonic Colours Ultimate Will Always Be Worse
@@gokublack9724yeah, i haven't seen a new mod on gamebanana in ages
Just like how your dad will never bring the milk!
"This isn't Sonic Adventure DX, but it is Sonic Adventure 2 Battle" Is such a perfect description of origins, holy shit.
That was incredibly on the mark
Battle was pretty positively received right? like, i know the dreamcast version is technically superior for a single player experience, but battle has better multiplayer(at the cost of single player balance), right?
@@alicevioleta3184many many little issues add up
@@alicevioleta3184 Battle was good, definitely a better port than DX, had a lot of improvements in terms of Chao Garden and Multi-player. But it still had a lot of issues that add up. Worse lighting, missing reflections, missing/broken transparency effects, rail grinding is broken.
DX and battle are better than the originals and I’ll stand by that
Honestly I think just two tiny changes I’d love for Amy:
• A double jump half the size of the main jump, acting as slight correction and elevation, and can combo fun with the hammer. Not the first time she’s gotten that before anyways.
• She could get the elemental shields, but the elemental effect is on her *hammer*, giving a bigger attack radius but smaller dash / bounce size.
neat
I think Amy has a double jump in Superstars too so it's weird she doesn't have one here
To be completely honest Amy probably would have been cool to play as but I found controlling her absolutely garbage especially considering the fact that if you held the button you would do the auto dash attack which would caused me to die multiple times.
Needs Sonic adventure running bounce jump animation
I wish we could play as eggman
So then Eggman faces himself
Something I noticed is that Sonic seems to accelerate more slowly in the final phase of S3&K's Death Egg boss, when Eggman is fleeing with the Master Emerald. It's very difficult to not die from the collapsing floor, whereas in the original you were safe as long as you kept holding right. Eventually I just had my 8yo daughter whack Eggman as Tails for me while I just focused on surviving.
Yes! I was experiencing this exact same problem. But to me it felt more like you were originally able to drop down lower on the screen in the original game before it would count as a death, rather than you not being fast enough.
@@DarkBowser64 That could be it as well.
Either way, thanks for confirming I'm not crazy. At least about this.😉
actually I found it pretty easy not to die all you have to do was get in front of big man first and never stop holding right sonic will stop just before the end of the screen but somehow survive slowly walk up hit the screen and bounce backwards but still survive and it's just a loop of that really just as long as you hit Eggman in the perfect location is being the front and the very bottom of his egg mobile you're pretty safe at least for sonic alone So I expect that would be the same for tails maybe not sonic and tails together because tails is getting in the way and giving I-frames egg man as you fly past him and knuckles has a lower jump but sonic or tails should be fine
I found it easy I just used the drop dash to save my self
Seriously unfortunate how this turned out. I really, really hoped they would actually fix the game, but at this point, it looks like I’m stuck with the decompilations and 3 AIR for the foreseeable future. At least it’ll be easy enough to mod in Amy with a proper move set…
And it'll be far less buggy that way
Man i wish i couldve gotten 3 a.i.r
>Amy with a proper move set…
Either you have Superstars or Advance, there's no in between.
Meanwhile, CD:
All jokes aside a lot of people overlook CD and that makes me sad because we got 1 Forever, 2 Absolute, and 3 AIR, but what about CD? I know there’s CD Restored but we can’t add Knuckles onto Restored anymore unless someone has a backup.
Someone has to fill the void of CD. Restored ain’t cutting it for me.
@@DeterminedTorres Look up the mod Sonic CD & Knuckles. It has what you're looking for and even allows you to pick which song plays in each level without having to beat the game first or anything like that, so you can mix and match the Japanese and U.S. soundtracks.
13:55
"It's kinda choppy, like a gif...or..jif, sorry Shadow"
Earned a sub from that alone
[Insert Jehtt Reference]
I don't get the joke.
@@mentalpain6042there's a video on TH-cam where Sonic and Shadow get into an argument about the name GIF or JIF
oh@@thesonicgamer
@@thesonicgamer I've seen the video Idk how tf I didn't remember it lol
I love how you put the characters in the thumbnail inside the games they originated in. It’s details like these you don’t see in youtube videos anymore.
You don't know how eagerly I've been anticipating this video. I turned that bell on for good reason: this channel delivers on both the humour and the critiques.
I think SEGA is trying to start a meme with the “blue balls” manual page.
Or you could use the Subscriptions tab... Why subscribe if you don't want to see all the videos channels upload? And I don't mean watch; just see that they exist. Subscribing and then just hoping that they show up on your Home tab makes no sense.
Where's the ''humour''?
@@Iggy1sN0tAfT0n... well i think that it's a reference to the beta S3 where it was called "get blue balls"
critiques, yes. humor, no.
Technically, the Blue Spheres game was called Blue Balls at one point in development, but that was almost 3 decades ago, so it absolutely would've been a modern decision. WTF?
I think we all know the reason...
They did it for the funny
It was called Blue Balls in the Japanese manual, iirc, mainly because they weren't aware of the meaning it had over here in the west
9:58 it also says "touch balls" underneath 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Blue ballss😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂naaa
Just want to point out, Sonic 2 DOES have customization options in the level select. You have to click the "00" in the sound test 3 times or so and the menu will pop up with all of the same customization options as Sonic 1. That's how it was in the Taxman ports too. I have no idea why lmao
I’m so happy you made this video cause I was afraid I was the only one thinking that Origins still needs work. Man SEGA really fumbled the bad with this one. Great video though! Amazing and hilarious as always!
Man, this AND Sonic Colors Ultimate…
It’s cuz they’re great games and sega wants to mess them up so we think their new stuff is good
@@LoganGivenchy That makes no sense and we are all dumber for having read that.
@@LoganGivenchy INTELLIGENCE: 100
@@thacobell4700 I dunno, I've *seen* that happen. in fact, ross's game dungeon has an episode on trackmania, and that game's graphics DID get sabotage patches through updates. at 1 point, the game could pass as photo real, but after the patches, the canyons, skies, roads, even the night sky was *noticeably* worse than what came before. so why did the trackmania team do that? because OOOO, a *shiny new trackmania game is ready for purchase!* you don't need that *old, gross looking canyon game,* buy the new one! it has MUCH better graphics!
It should be noted that Sonic Chaos required you to press the 2 button to select your character on Game Gear; this made more sense on that system because most developers used it as an A button to mimmick the NES's button placement, but they seem to have mapped the 2 button to the rightmost face button, which is standard for Switch because that’s where the A button is, but pretty awkward for platforms where you usually select things with the bottom face button, i.e. anything this game is on that _isn't_ the Switch.
Technically I believe only A.I.R. is fully fan made, the orher two are Retro Engine ports.
I'd like to play them but too much hassle for me to learn how to set it up, and simply running the roms in Retroarch works for me.
@@docsavage4921 It's actually really easy. You just need to find copies of the android ports and Forever/Absolute will do everything for you.
I love that Jehtt reference at 13:56
It's kinda disappointing that they didn't give Amy a more unique moveset. It would've been great if they brought back her Advance playstyle but a more modified version, in my opinion. But i think it's just great that's she's finally getting her chance to be playable in all four of the classic games.
I've been using the TMNT Cowabunga Collection as a gold standard for what modern collections should strive for. LOADS of extra content, customizability out the ass, plenty of ways to interact with the history of both the games and the franchise as a whole, emulation is decent, menus and presentation polished to hell and back, and the game list is stellar. Seeing how well put together TMNT is compared to the sloppy menu organization, inaccurate recreations, frequent glitches, and general rushed feel of Origins is so frustrating as a Sonic fan.
It's extra frustrating when people get mad at the fans for being too "entitled" because of issues like these, as if the variable quality of Sonic's releases is the fans' fault and not the devs. Why should the people who *know* these games can be better stay quiet just because other people aren't quite as bothered? Why are *reasonable* expectations from hardcore fans dismissed purely because other people carry lower standards?
It's 2023, we've seen fans do MUCH better for ZERO profit. I'm by no means saying a modern upgraded port collection is a simple project to tackle, but when the totally-free fan efforts blow the PAID RERELEASE from the games' parent company out of the water, in addition to much else of Sega's interest in cash over quality, I see that as well enough justification to be mad.
They didn't even fix the extra unlock glitch in Sonic CD's menu!!! (in short, even if you have the correct time trial times to unlock all extras, you HAVE to open the time trial screen before opening the extras screen every time you boot CD, because the game fucking FORGETS YOU UNLOCKED THE EXTRAS. EVERY TIME.) I'm certain something similar still happens with Hidden Palace Zone in Sonic 2, as I got to HPZ in a run, but was never able to unlock it to be selected in the level select.
Doesn't Cowabunga Collection have noticeable input lag?
As far as I can tell, Hidden Palace Zone is just permanently locked off in the Level Select (like if you never "unlocked" it in the original mobile release) because you essentially have to input the Debug Mode and Proto Palace Zone cheats to access it in Origins INSTEAD of PPZ as that's been completely removed (outside of hacking). It's a subtle example of Sonic Team finding a weird way to change something in the remasters because they're not entirely sure what they're doing with the Retro Engine, at least perhaps prior to Plus if that was them adding Amy/Knucks.
@@TomTheyy You're probably right about TMNT's input lag. I honestly never noticed, but that's coming from someone who neither grew up with the game, nor was greatly affected by it if it exists in the collection. I consider myself relatively keen to input latency, but it may just be within my range of tolerance for input lag. I'll give the games a comparative look soon.
You're also certainly right about Sonic Team faffing about with Retro Engine backend stuff. But hey, Sonic Team's motto is "if it ain't broke, fix it".
Expecting official ports to match up to the sheer volume of customization and options of something like AIR is a fools fantasy and petty unfair
@@Soniman001 Literally what is stopping Sega from working toward the same quality. You say fantasy, I say high standards.
@@Soniman001 I totally agree, like Origins added two new characters to Sonic CD and IDK if that's "enough" for some people. Though at the same time I think criticising issues like being unable to play Sonic+Tails in Sonic 1 without the game crashing is entirely fair. And while I didn't expect a plethora of fan game options, I would've liked it if we could at least play all games with Max Control for Sonic or all Tails partnering combinations. There's care here and there, but also some weirdly untouched blemishes.
Slight correction for you, the options for Sonic 1 were there since launch since they were already in the Mobile Port of Sonic 1, they aren't new to the Plus update.
Sonic Origins is Still Not Finished
also, i remember in sonic 2 you have to repeatedly do 00 in sound test for the options
I had a line addressing that but removed it for some reason lol. Must’ve thought it flowed better without realizing that it got blanketed under “things that they fixed”.
a thing that was not corrected however is the fact that you have to go to the Time attack menu to "unlock" the bons features such as the D.A garden even if you already beat time attack under the required time
and since we're talking of CD her's a little Fun fact, one time i was playing origins plus and decided to go back to the tails boss rush where i was at the metal sonic fight and ended up in the D.A Garden, i was confused a bit but once i quit it, the game loaded to 2011 menu, and worked almost perfectly, i even played time attack with it (though once i beat a level the game softlocked so i had to reboot the game and after trying it a second time, the glitch still worked) i don't know how it happened, i don't know why it happened, i just know it happened, so please SEGA, just leave the origins menu to clasic mode AND GIVE US BACK THIS MENU WITHOUT THE USE OF GLITCHES AND MODS!!!
Great video. I recently played Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute and Sonic 3 AIR, followed by their Origins counterparts, and the difference in quality is pretty sad considering one is an officially released product and the rest are made by fans.
Even sadder for S1F/S2A, considering those are based on the same 2013 Retro Engine remakes the Origins versions are.
The cut at 15:28 was both poetic and brutal, well done lol
How DARE you say that at 1:50 Im reporting this to sega
My major issue is they did not add Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic the Fighters, and Knuckles Chaotix, (yes I know why, but still). A missed opportunity to have the whole Classic Era in one package.
What's the reason for not adding Chaotix, out of curiosity?
@@eightee7635worst video game known to man
@@beesree39 Tell me with a straight face you'd rather play Sonic Blast over Chaotix. That game gets rereleased every frickin time.
@@eightee7635if i had to say, i think it’s because 32X emulation is actually difficult to get running properly. Hell even some of the best Genesis emulators like Kega Fusion can have a bit of a tough time running Knuckles Chaotix
@@eightee7635My guess is Sega doesn't consider it cost-effective to develop a 32X emulator for one game, especially one with a bad reputation. Sonic Blast was easy for them to release since it's just a Game Gear rom.
I really wish they would change their minds one day, or get someone to remake it, or anything.
As a major Sonic fan who jumped into Origins for the first time at Plus. I’ve had fun with what they offer, but I feel very disappointed for those who bought in an even worse state and… didn’t get any promises met,
Yeah it really sucks because this was a golden opportunity to give what could’ve been an Official version of Sonic 3 AIR or the Team Forever Sonic 1&2 remasters. The sheer amount of tweaks and customization those games had, combined with the stunning Tyson Hesse cutscenes, the story mode option, and the decent mission mode all together could’ve made Origins the definitive Classic Sonic experience.
One frustration i've always had is how Continues are completely worthless in later Sonic Titles. Why have Continues when you can racks up lives almost effortlessly?? And Maybe it's wishful thinking...but would it have been too much for them to add SegaSonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Fighters, Sonic R and Knuckles Chaotix to the DLC?
You are KILLING it with the Sonic content man!!! Keep up the great work as always.
Im a fan
In regards to 11:41:
"Why don't all the games have the same features?"
Keep in mind that although all the games run on the Retro Engine, they're still separate games under the hood. The ports were made at different times, and in different versions of the Retro Engine. CD's is from 2011 and made in RSDKv3, 1 and 2 are from 2013 and made in RSDKv4, and the Sonic 3 port is new to Origins, made in RSDKv5.
While changes were made to bring the games more in parity with one another, there are bound to be inconsistencies. Even minor QoL updates can't be made to every game at once; they'd need to be programmed into each game separately. Bear in mind also that 3K is the only game to use Stealth's new Path Tracer collision system for greater physics accuracy.
this is the problem. just do them again. why is 3 the only one to be redone fresh?? if the physics are wrong already, whats the issue with giving s1 and s2 s3 physics? only CD would need altering.
@@jonathanodude6660 Because 3 is the only one that didn't have a Retro Engine port already. (The 2014 one was just a proof of concept with one zone and the special stage.)
The existing Retro ports work perfectly fine; even if they made new ones to be more consistent, the differences would be minor enough that most players wouldn't notice.
It just wouldn't be viable, in terms of time or budget, to make new ones. Keep in mind that just because they're remakes of older games, that doesn't mean they were a cakewalk to create!
Plus, the existing mobile ports have had several years of stability and bug fix updates to make them more stable. Ports made from scratch would probably have far more bugs. Why risk introducing even more glitches than the collection already had?
@@lobsteros the fact is that they’ve already done it. The difference between the games is pretty much just the art and the levels. If you copy the layout and art files into the s3 port, then you have 3 working games without any significant extra work. If you want the games to have unique physics, you can just tweak the settings from there. If they’re adding in extra characters with brand new abilities, they can change a couple parameters.
weird that it's for "greater physics accuracy" when the physics of S3+K are off to the point of breaking scripted sequences like the opening to Marble Garden. If you hold the roll button down it should send you into the lightning shield secret, but instead it slams you into a ceiling.
That's not a valid answer. It's a description of the problem. They should have done Origins properly so everything has the same features instead of lazily porting existing ports and putting different levels of care into each one. This is SEGA, this is classic Genesis Sonic, if SEGA had taken the proper time and invested the proper amount of money, they would have had a much better collection that more people would have bought and they'd have made more money for doing it right.
As it stands, I still wouldn't pick Origins up for $5 in a Steam sale. I'd rather set up Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 AIR. 3 separate titles that actually have an excuse to not have the same features, and much higher quality. A little more effort, but it's so worth it.
If SEGA had done this right, I would have bought these games for the 20th time, too.
As a long time SA2 Battle lover, I didn’t realize battle made changes. Would you ever consider doing some form of break down type video between the two or even if just battle? I know they are old but I love your content and would enjoy hearing your opinions on SA2B
th-cam.com/video/3NWAbtnfy2Y/w-d-xo.html Someone did a 3 and a half hour breakdown comparing the original SA2 to SA2B if you'd like to see what's different about the two releases.
@@StableDruid130 *video title,* man! you can't just say that without a video title!
@@ehhorve857i mean they linked to it
@@platypusparasol9825 doggammit.
/\ see that blue name? I merely glanced at the link thinking it was a blue name! this site has problems, man.
I know one of the most noticeable visual differences was that Battle screwed some of the lighting in some scenes and some of the alpha textures are broken, it's nowhere near as bad as what DX did to Mystic Ruins but it's not exactly what you'd call a perfect port.
Amy is basically Cream the Rabbit from the advance trilogy in this collection
I miss when they actually used her. She got Chiaotzu'd.
For the bosses being inconsistent, that was actually in the original mobile ports, they let you camp behind Eggman in Sonic CD in the original version, so they just didn't change it.
6:54
That's just Sonic Chaos being Sonic Chaos. For some reason they made the character select button B instead of A. That goes for both the Game Gear and Master System versions.
9:28
Those settings in the Sonic 1 level select menu were in the original version of Origins. Heck, they were in the 2013 mobile port.
7:07
The funny thing about the bitcrushed "SEGA" in the Game Gear games is... that's just what it always sounded like. Yeah, the panning issues make it worse, but even in the originals, the chant got more bitcrushed from game to game. Blast's in particular was always ear-shattering.
Blast in general is eye-shattering, they just crunched the audio to match.
I can't believe that your two videos on Origins not only is a great abridged explanation of what your thoughts are, but a story in two parts on its own
Origins was a missed opportunity to not have all classic Sonic games in one collection.
They should have included Knuckles Chaotix, SegaSonic The Hedgehog Arcade modified to use standard controls instead of a trackball (This would be obvious to me since after Mania people would want to play the original game with Mighty and Ray in it), 16-Bit Sonic Spinball, 16-Bit Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, Sonic 3D Blast (Preferably Saturn version instead of Genesis one), and maybe even Sonic R or Sonic The Fighters.
Instead we got a half-baked collection. Sonic Origins Plus pales in comparison to Sonic Gems Collection or Sonic Mega Collection Plus.
Honestly, they could've been lazy and just repacked Gems and Mega Collection and ported it to modern platforms and most people would be a lot happier with that.
Also, one of the biggest sins of all in Sonic Origins that disappointed me the most: Why the HELL is there not a level select for each game on the main menu? It's 2023 and Sega still expects me to look up the Sonic 2 Sound Select Level Select cheat code every time I want to jump to a specific level.
Cant wait for Sonic Origins Plus Deluxe with Sonic Schoolhouse, Dr Robitnik's Mean Bean Machine and Tail's Sky Patrol with ok emulation!
I freaking love the jokes you make so much. They are absolutely harmless but still funny which is great. Also you go into a lot more detail into small things and describing their fixes which makes these reviews more worth watching
Every that video that does well is bound to have a sequel
I wish Amy played more like her Advance 1 counterpart. Yes that would mean having another button. I could live with that.
I played a romhack of sonic 3 with amy, and she had this hammer jump ability that was pretty fun to use. I'd rather have that than just a bigger insta-shield
@@jash21222 Probably is, I never played those though
Sonic 3 with amy i presume or cz i think?
@@notawesomebread Keep it that way, DIMPS is the absolute worst. I still have bottomless pit PTSD because of those rotten games.
@@mjc0961get good lol, the only game with lots of pits is advance 2
Amy has been done in hacks for years, theres probably a couple that have way more depth than whatever they did with her in origins
I'm glad they gave us clear instructions on how to touch the blue balls.
I was literally more hyped for this video than Sonic Origins plus itself, and it definitely did not disappoint
How are you more hyped for a video then a game? That's kinda stupid
does that mean we should be cautious about sonic superstars?
@jonahabenhaim1223 it's a 2d Sonic game made by Sonic Team
paper Mario pfp-
explains this man’s shitty high standard ass
@@captainmega6310 Superstars is not being made by Sonic Team
What are the worst things to me is in Sonic 3 when you get an extra life the music starts over
For real, I hope someone can mod that out. It's so distracting. Would do it myself but there aren't many tutorials out there.
Bro is whining about Sonic 3’s music
@@SNESJerry
And you're butthurt people have standards.
@@SNESJerryTbf sonic 3's music in this version is downright goofy, carnival night 2 just makes me laugh
@@igirjei3717 Not like MJ's music is flawless either.
They really should have added Knuckles Chaotix to make it an essential purchase. Maybe even dome of the u released Sonic games?
As for Amy, if they want unique powers, why not just give her the ability to swim?
7:06 I laughed so hard at the bass boosted Sega jingle 🤣🤣🤣
It’s so sad how this update and the Plus Expansion Pack had the opportunity to fix a lot of glitches that fans have been criticizing but they did not fix the bugs.
The fact that they still haven’t added Knuckles Chatoix, 3D Blast, and Genesis Spinball to the collection is still crime espically the fact Chatiox did not get a single rerelease
It would've been bullshit to make bug fixes exclusive to the expansion
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 They did exactly what Plus did for Mania, though, and could have done more just like that. When Mania got its plus expansion, it also got a free update adding improvements to the base game. Origins had some issues freely fixed when Plus released, but it could have had a lot more.
@@tripodranger7873 I think the key difference is that Mania didn't really have a lot of glaring problems on launch for people to expect fixes for, aside from the denuvo thing.
If they were to add 3D Blast alongside Chaotix, it’d honestly be great if they released the Saturn version.
@@TheGoldNShadow 3D blast even has an unofficial official "remaster" already thanks to the funny lego programming man who forces his employees to crunch
It's here, the pixel perfect look is finally here AAAAAAA.
Thanks for this review. The lack of a "widescreen with lives" mode has been the biggest sticking point of this to me. I can't return it because I bought it on Switch, but I'm not spending a penny more on this in the state it is now.
I ran into that very same glitch with Amy at 12:01 and reported it to SEGA. Was not pleased about it, Found another one with all the characters in Lava Reef where after Knuckles hits you with that boulder down to the boss area, you for some reason lose over half of your rings.
10:17 Kinda nailed it with "Some aspects are really tight with a lot of care given to them while others are neglected in the exact same area." The new Amy/Knuckles additions and some of the minor tweaks (like Knuckles being able to drop out of a Glide and Spin Dash in all games now) have a lot of care put into them, but at the same time it's really baffling they still haven't fixed Sonic+Tails crashing Sonic 1 w/ 6 Chaos Emeralds or the pixels still being a little blurry in a *2023 sprite game* , something modders fixed ages ago. You'd hear at the time that Headcannon was allowed to suggest a few updates and enhancements, and that's probably why there's minor loving details like Knuckles getting his KIS2 title card back whilst much bigger, obvious stuff on Sonic Team's end is still unaddressed. Origins just suffers from being the Japanese Sonic Team trying to work with the American Retro Engine they're awkward with while the team that knows what they're doing with it is allowed to address PARTS of the game and its issues.
Couple additional things, I remember hearing that S3&K has speedier physics in Origins because that's just how the RSDK handles the original values of the game, though that might need verifying. Don't know how much that affects the previous remasters in that regard. It's anyone's guess whether that was seen by even Headcannon as an "error" with the game. And in devil's advocate of delisting the original games and making Classic Mode a mere alteration of Anniversary Mode, we gotta remember their hands were sorta tied with S3&K's still MJ-offending soundtrack. I can't image they'd leave that up whilst Origins was removing those tracks, and they'd have to be super careful scrubbing it from the ROM entirely assuming there was no section of code with it left unturned there. I don't mind having at least having the unique option to play the remasters in 4:3 if I wanted to, although they could've done more to differentiate them like keeping Sonic 1's lack of Spin Dash and such outside of the cheat toggle, instead of really small weird stuff like a jingle alternating between S3/S&K versions and the new Knuckles SCD routes being unavailable in Classic, when that's now inconsistent as S1/S2 still have their new Tails/Knuckles remaster routes in Classic Mode.
Oh yeah, and the awkward thing about the Master System versions of the 8-Bit games (other than not being a thing in Japan?) is that they were often released before the GG versions and are technically the less polished versions of the games despite the expanded aspect ratio. Though weirdly you can switch between the very slightly different region versions of the games, if you want to give the bosses in Sonic Chaos their Rings or something, and they did slightly alter a few games to remove the strobing effects. Both of those are appreciated, but in terms of hypothetical further touch ups to elevate them beyond "authentic" rereleases, I imagine it'd just be more stuff they wouldn't completely fix.
The pc version of sonic 3 exists tho, with the replacement tracks
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 Well Sega's not still selling that version, right?
They didn't have to de-list the older emulated versions of the games, though. They could have just left those up as options for the consumer, with Origins having the advantage of containing remastered versions of those games with extra features instead of just emulated roms.
@@TomTheyy The GG versions didn't really polish much besides occasionally changing some things to better fit the smaller screen. But the SMS versions will always be the better ones for me... except for Triple Trouble that one didn't get an SMS version for some reason
It's always a good day when kuribox uploads
Edit: why the flip is sega wanting to touch blue balls man💀
Spin dashing in Sonic 1 feels like a cheat code after all these years
15:10 I am a software developer and i can assure you that it's extremely difficult, sometimes even impossible, to take old code and re-compile it for modern hardware.
the fact they are 30 years old makes it harder, not easier. But i agree with you, at least they should have presented a fair price and with all contents included.
I would agree with you if it wasn't because they already did that in 2011
@ryko1478 read before replying to a comment. we were talking about porting and i specificly used the word "re-compiling".
sonic cd 2011 was neither ported or re-compiled. it was a complete new software.
Sonic 2’s level select has an extra menu in the same way Sonic 1’s does. You just have to play “00” on the sound test a couple times to open it, if I recall correctly.
i really enjoy origins plus as someone who waited to grab it till now. it still burns a bit to know this isnt as clean as the mega collection plus that i grew up with that transported me to a time before i was born with pure magic but i still have hope this collection could be that for younger generations today that dont have as much knowledge to nitpick about.
if i saw those opening cartoons as a kid i would have lost my mind! much in the same way i did while browsing the covers of comics i never knew existed, its the sorta thing that makes lifelong fans and i think thats why we want it to be as perfect as it possibly can be.
also why the hell does amy have a double jump in superstars but not here
mega collection plus was awesome.
Just use rom hacks and fan ports
7:57 They should've also added in the Genesis/MD versions of Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, Sonic Spinball, and Sonic 3D Blast on top of that.
Ay! You did well! Cant wait for more great content!
I’m just afraid after the free DLC(which is just them finishing Frontiers like it was meant to…somewhat) they’ll charge for ALL DLC and ‘DLC’ going forward. And let me not get started on this ‘Premium Edition’ stuff, I’m sure others in places like Australia are fuming at the prices for Sonic games that are unfinished. This practice needs to go, immediately.
8:28 is my favourite part lol
13:14 something else that also annoys me about no mix and match settings is the fact they can CLEARLY do lives with wide screen I know this because THE BOSS RUSH DOES THIS the boss rush literally is the games in 16:9 WITH LIVES
CORRECT WHY DONT THEY DO THIS
Lives were meaningless since Sonic 3 in 1994. They aren't punishing, they are an unnecessary burden. They aren't rewarding either, Imagine getting a game over in the final boss of Death Egg Zone Act 2 in Sonic 3. You would be FORCED TO DO ACT 1 AND THE PREVIOUS ACT 2 BOSS ALL OVER AGAIN. Not as cruel as the old way where you had to start the whole game over, but still cruel nonetheless. Lives only exist just so the game can make the funny sound.
@@doctormodder some people tho (like me) would prefer to play with lives as it adds an actual threat to doing that’s the whole point in wanting lives so you don’t just get infinite attacks and there’s some sort of punishment for actually DYING
@@meltingrocket89yt To me that's not a punishment. And it's not a threat at all when save features come into play. And with that said, you basically have infinite lives anyway. Just not in a convenient way.
12:42 Oh you haven`t heard about Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic CD Restored, Sonic 2 Absolute, Sonic 3 Angel Island Revisited.
not trying to sound like a dick
I believe he's talking about "official" ways dude
And there is no way to play 3 air
The SA2B comparison was really good. It's not (usually) broken enough where people whose first experience with the game would notice certain downgrades, but those really familiar with the games definitely would feel somewhat burned.
I’m really disappointed that the physical version doesn’t include the Plus content on the disc like Mania Plus did. It really does ruin a lot of the preservation aspect of this collection.
It’s even worse that it requires a download code of all things.
It's a Blu-Ray. They could have shoveled every Sonic game ever made onto it if they saw fit, except _maybe_ Frontiers but I won't be surprised to see it shoved in random bundles within the next few years.
It literally feels so wrong to hold the box that says Sonic Origins Plus, when the media inside it is regular old Sonic Origins. If you for some reason didn’t have internet or an online account, you’d be stuck not being able to play the things literally shown on the back of the box. I’m with you on the preservation aspect as well. I collect games and it really sucks knowing that this Plus version is stuck to being digital.
They should change the title on these physical copies to Sonic Origins w/Plus download code.
@GMdieselman Do they just expect us to be happy they gave us a physical Sonic Origins after failing to do so in the first place (probably because they knew it was too broken when they released it), and how long until they release bundle carts combining it with Sonic Forces, Team Sonic Racing, and Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz?
I was really hoping, and am glad you talked about the game gear input lag, because i was actually looking forward to being able to legally play those titles again.
Ps: i like the subtle detail of you remaking the first thumbnail with all four characters
I know this video was made before the newest patch came out, and I still think there are good points that are still in the current version. However, there has been a new 2.0.1 update for Sonic Origins as a whole, Plus version or not. It fixes a bit more of the big problems, like adding a nearest neighbor filter for the 4 remakes and the Game Gear games (they’re separate toggles, but both default to off) so now all the pixel look sharp and that blur effect is gone. They also fixed more bugs, like Amy having all her animation frames in the Sonic 2 special stages, giving Amy after images in her hyper (“sUpEr”) form, and more small things. But still, great video.
I'll... I'll stick to S3 A.I.R.
My biggest issue was that the physical edition doesn't even come complete on the disc or cart, since to get amy and the gamegear games you have to use an account with a single use download code which devalues the copy. Compared to sonic mania plus where you just insert the disc or cart and download update and you're done, no account needed.
And ofc they stopped producing Mania Plus and instead package base Mania with everything _but_ the DLC. Looking forward to the inevitable Mania + Persona 5 bundle. 😂
I hate those one-time included downloaded codes. That alone makes me even consider purchasing the collection. That is, fundamentally, a rip-off.
My question is why isn’t the full version of Plus on the disc/cart? What was stopping them from putting the full Plus updated version on the physical media itself? I’m genuinely curious and would like to know.
@@GMdieselman I thought Plus was made to excuse the 5 dollars more they'd have to pay NIntendo to make a physical cart
Thank you for summing up all of my issues with this release in one video. Also like the comparison at the end to other remasters.
I didn’t forsee the exact same title for the vid. Incredible how one word completely changes the entire expectation for the vid. Great work
Since you mentioned it, giving Amy a double jump could possibly be the simple addition needed to make her stand out, especially since in later games, having extra jumps was her distinct trait (a double jump in 06, and a triple jump in Boom)
9:53 The Japanese Sonic 3 manual actually used that name, so it might be a case of Sega translating the name rather than using the english manuals.
Thank you for making another video about this, it’s so entertaining to watch
Love this video so much and thanks for this well edited video and now I can see all of the problems this game still has as of this video but I do still love this game! :)
Fingers crossed for sonic origins plus plus 🤞
I told my friend yesterday that Origins was just a fundraiser for Superstars as a "drunk theory"
Honestly, seeing the whole prices deal, I'm starting to believe that it's not as farfetched as I presumed
You have easily one of the best natural radio voices I've ever heard in my life. Awesome job I love this channel
The options in the Sonic 1 level select are from the 2013 mobile remake and were in Origins from the beginning. Also, Sonic 2 has a menu in the level select if you play song 00 in the sound test three times in a row. This is also from the 2013 mobile remake and has been in Origins since launch.
Even though, he still makes a good point that all 4 games should’ve had a proper customization menu that’s easy to access without a level select
As soon as Sonic started shrugging, my first thought was, "no way this man DOESN'T make a joke out of that."
Sonic 1 was made with the Game Gear in mind, then ported to MS actually, but yeah. And im pretty sure the Marble Garden thing was fixed, as it was a top praise/feature mentioned to be fixed.
Finally was waiting for this video. Thank you.
This game is a death by 1000 cuts situation. And we know there are probably better ways of playing the originals like Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute and Sonic 3 AIR.
7:50 This is possibly the best insult I’ve ever heard!
Something that bothers me that I don't see brought up much is the underwhelming time attack mode. It should be like Mania's and keep records for each individual character and have an instant restart button. I'm afraid if it's not here then it also won't be present in Superstars, where it should be a mandatory inclusion.
It's also super weird that scores from playing the games normally get saved there. It means for a lot of stages, selecting them in the time attack mode is suboptimal, because you're missing out on access to Super Sonic and on shields in 3&K's Act 2s
I got origins when plus came out and while it’s been a fine experience, I knew it wasn’t gonna be able to fix everything, so this vid gave me the deep dive I’ve been wanting, and for that I thank you. Also I did some testing and in CD, Sonic does do the three minute outta here, but it’s only in classic mode and not anniversary, which seems kinda dumb. Just thought I’d share this from one Sonic fan to another!
"Oh look. A slope. I run down those a lot"
*dies*
These are my favorite types of edits because I lose my shit every time
Given the legalities wrapped up in those particular songs from S3 I really don't think we're ever getting an official collection that brings them back. Really a shame given how iconic those songs are, but what you can do in these Hard Times?
Happiest Days of my life.
1. This was a great review. It was really nice hearing you bring up the pros and cons in an unbiased fashion, similar to what Channel Pup did.
2. I personally love this collection. While there is stuff that I would like to see added in an update, such as the ability to toggle the original prototype tracks in S3&K, and the ability to play the MS versions of the GG games, I still love this collection for what it is.
The review was shit, all he did was bitch and complain and make terrible jokes dunking on the franchise
Man I still want to get this, but not until it's all fixed up and the tumor that is DRM removed.
Oh, and it being cheaper and not ripping people off. That's a huge one.
Shout-out to people who also don't use the Spin Dash in Sonic 1
00:02:03 The fact they PUNISH those who already bought the game by making them pay more is where this collection goes from disapointing to borderline immoral.
Ripping costumers off like that should be treated as unnacceptable. Fans should give the company backlash to make DAM sure no one ever pulls another shady move like this.
To top it all off, they didn't even include the new content on the physical disk/cartridge like Sonic Mania Plus did. It's on a piece of paper as a download code...
Bro, if the Sega jingle from Game Gear Sonic 2 made me wince, then that jingle for Sonic Blast was practically a jumpscare.
3:24 actually, bubbles doesn’t have a hurtbox when his spikes are out, you can’t hit him at all when the spikes are out, even with a hyper form
10:10 I’m getting blue-balled over here💀
FNF REFERENCE 💀😂
@@masonthesussycyanimp it isn’t a fnf reference💀
Yes it is
@@avoasemota8450 I didn’t make a fnf reference dude
@@CrystallizedPaint Oh my bad
3:53 actually the hammer swing has full mobility unlike the drop dash, you can go upwards downwards, but more importantly left and right. The only problem is ironically your more vulnerable
Until you learn you can go through 3&K’s Death Egg Robot’s fingers during the Drop Dash portion of the move
Fun fact: the devs when making the plus dlc, the forgot to program amy's double jump, thats why amy in superstars have the double jump and origins not
I think Sonic Origins Plus needs more stuff like the music from music from Sonic 3 Mega Drive version and more games like SegaSonic Arcade, Sonic Spinball, Sonic 3d Blast, Knuckles' Chaotix and including some new playable characters like Mighty, Ray, Vector, Espio and Carmey.
My first time with Amy in 3K, I didn't even know she had a normal super form with the first 7 emeralds, because the game doesn't tell you, and jump +jump is just the hammer spin. I had forgotten they made super transformations its own button, I also didn't realize she could throw hammers until randomly hitting buttons in Lava Reef or Death Egg, again becasue the super button is unused after you transform with everyone else, I had no reason to try using it.
5:46 former game gear owner here. This isn't an emulation issue, this is seriously just how it sounded.
Are you that GG owner?
aka, great emulation, but its too good
I don't actually mind most of the presentation of Origins Plus. I agree paying full-price for the add-on after buying the digital version last year was a bit of a kick in the teeth, but I've made my peace with it, and I haven't actually witnessed first-hand any of the reported bugs. If they would only add the Master System versions of Sonic 1, 2 and Chaos, and find some kind of agreement so the original music could be restored on the Sonic 3 levels, I would not have another thing to complain about.
I'm pretty much convinced by this point that Sonic was actually too good for us all along.
T U R N I T 12:36 O F F
It's both telling and a little sad that we've had a playable classic Amy before. Sonic Advance had her use a moveset that was wholly unique because she was the only character who couldn't curl up into a ball. That was always a cool and unique gimmick, and to see... Almost none of it come back from Sonic Origins is kinda sad.
I mean Sonic Advance has a different type of difference between character moveset than the classics, so i understand why they didn't straight copy paste it here
@@ryko1478aside from the B button attacks, sonic, tails, and knuckles all work exactly the same in that game as they did in 3, minus a few physics changes
@@ryko1478 The alternative still could have, and should have, been much better.
@@themindfulmoron3790 agree 100%
She can in 2 and plays much better for it
Yeah I've had a few of those moments in sop.
I found that on the level screen on sonic 3 once you've click through the characters you can't select sonic & tails (or any team up) after you've pressed the button.
9:40 I KNEW I WASNT TRIPPING when I seen the manuals I LOVE The added manuals