Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer's Star Ratings For AEW Double Or Nothing 2023
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- From Episode 485 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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The Bucks naming their finisher after Meltzer is the best career move they've ever made.
That's so stupid, it's like they're reminding people "hey, Uncle Dave we named our finisher with your surname, so please always support and defend us, and we'll promise to give you inside scoo.."
Meltzer: Shhh! It's our secret.
They only named a move after Meltzer because their right wing Christian “values” stopped them from just blowing him backstage
The meltzer driver
The irony is that they originally named it as an insult to meltzer
I mean I don't blame them. Clearly it's worked. Since all their matches are like 15 star matches despite looking like the Rockers with a bad hangover vs job guys
"Those matches may have been better if any of those wrestlers had pockets" - This wins today
Dave Meltzer's influence on wrestling has been disastrous. AEW is the final outcome of the Meltzerization of wrestling.
He had no influence in the 80s and 90s and up until the Monday Night Wars. He only got huge influence after WWE beat WCW and then the internet exploded and podcasts, Twitter, TH-cam became a thing.
@@Chaz4543 yes i know, that's my point. This current generation of wrestlers were raised on Dave Meltzer, and basically have catered their style to what he likes, hoping to get "5 stars" or whatever unlike the wrestlers of the 80's and the 90's. They will openly tell everyone that they do the stupid stuff that they do to impress Dave Meltzer.
That's a great neologism - Meltzerization!
47 stars for Meltzerization
Like I stated before, Dave Meltzer is the CNN of wrestling.
The fact that Angle never had a 5 star match is the sufficient evidence to decrease Meltzers credibility
What was Angle Benoit at Rumble one year?
Not rated.
His highest is 4.25 for a handful of matches- like him and Rousey vs HHH and Stephanie.
@@ebransc09 4.75 2003
Ratings have changed since then clearly
Kurt doesn't need a 5 star rating, his Olympic gold medal is the ultimate 10 star rating.
The fact that Bryan Danielson never had a 5 star match until he went to AEW is a joke
i’m so glad brian mentioned the ppv where mjf & darby clearly had the best match but dave still gave the elite a higher rating. that’s exactly what i was thinking.
That MJF Darby singles PPV match was deserving of praise and stars ! But I wouldnt give 3 stars to anything on this show .
You're a better man than me. I can't take 2 minutes of them loving the smell of AEW's farts.
It's almost like wrestling is subjective
@@Station_AI Until I die. Nothing is subjective.
@@sebastiansegovia1415 things can be subjective but it is a terrible excuse for something that is actually bad
Dave Meltzer has absolutely torched every ounce of credibility he built up over decades of covering Wrestling because he wanted his favourite wrestlers to like him.
He's been doing that since the 80's
He never had a shred of credibility.
What? Meltzer never had credibility to begin with
People in the wrestling business have always fed Meltzer bs stories, which Meltzer reports as facts.
Then, Meltzer gives high star ratings to the people feeding him the "scoops" , and buries the people those people don't like.
If you want to know who was giving Meltzer the "inside information" at any point over the last 40 years, just look at who Meltzer was putting over, and getting the High Star Ratings.
Why are people so surprised though? Dave was back in the day in contact with Vince, WWE, etc. Way back when, he truly was an insider with inside information. Then he ended on the outskirts, so now he got a chance to get back on the inside because a tool like Tony Khan cares what some online writer writes about his product. So he took advantage of it.
It is what it is.
"Dave Meltzer, who's that Jabroni?!?" The Iron Sheik.
Fuckin’ bull shit!
You forgot the PA TOOEY! at the end.
“Iron Sheik, who’s that Jabroni?!?” Everyone under the age of 50
The AEW marks defending Jeff Hardy's botches are a sight to behold. I've seen short essays written on how it's a work and how Jeff perfectly executed selling an injury. I've never seen a wrestler sell an ankle injury by jumping to the ropes and almost landing on his neck. These guys gaslight themselves into defending anything that happens in AEW... they need studied in a lab.
Botchamania literally put an asterisk on it. Like even if he tried to do a botch...he still botched the botched and was clearly drugged out of his mind laying there like Flair did
It's a delusion at this point, they're so glad something other than WWE exists they're willing to overlook absolutely anything, that these same people would have ripped WCW for. Dave included.
I saw a Twitter post saying something like “Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful says that botch was a planned spot”. There’s no way to defend a spot like that…planned or not. It was ugly to watch
I think Jeff Hardy heard that Sabu said he would mess up on purpose because if it's perfect all the time, where's the risk? Makes sense, but Hardy tried to fake a botch and immediately botched the fake botch lol.😅🤦♂️
@@TheNotSure Sabu has said that because he was afraid of hurting the guy he was wrestling or he thought they weren’t in synch.
If Kurt Angle came into AEW in 2023 with the state of his body today and had a match with Twinkletoes, he'd finally get that five star rating just by breathing in Kenny's direction.
That's too true, too damn true! 😂
I’d pay to see Kurt spray The Effite…sorry, The Elite down with the milk truck hose.
@@zlinedavid The Elite is used to being sprayed with white stuff from a hose but it's usually being done by Meltzer.
2023 Kurt Angle would still stretch 2023 Omega.
@@charlest5604 Don't count out the star of Sissy Slap Fight!
So, let me get this straight...
Hogan vs Rock at WrestleMania X8: iconic match, great storytelling, memorable finish, arguably greatest crowd ever, praised by fans 21 years later, 3 stars
Jericho vs Cole: sloppy build, lousy storytelling, confusing finish, dead crowd, even AEW marks shat on it, 3.25 stars
Yeah Dave, you're credibility officially died right there.
Dave doesn't do the star rating he does a vote and that vote is the rating, he hasn't done any of his ratings in the 2020s
It died years ago
Undertaker vs HBK at WM 25 is 4. 75 stars because of Taker botch. That botch that give people thinking that there is a chance HBK beating the Streak is fu*king 4. 75 stars and Dave later admitted that it should be a 5 stars. Then change it to 5 star and stay why you mde that amendments . And stop kissing twinkle toes ass!
he never had crediblity, the marks showered him with praise that was always unwarranted.
Who needs psychology? Rock should have gave Hogan a Canadian destroyer which would have been kicked out of at 1 before they both dive to the outside and fight in the crowd. Now THAT is how you get a 5 star rating 😅
A part of me feels like Meltzer uses Steiner math for the ratings 😂😂
The fact that this isn't the top comment makes me believe Dave Meltzer may be in charge of rating these comments. 😂😂😂
The exploding superkick in that “5 star” match has already been forgotten, no one has remembered that spot. Yet we still talking about Jimmy uso giving a normal superkick to Roman, drew in the ratings and online views. That goes to show that compelling storytelling and timing can go along way. Spots don’t
💯
People still talk about the superkick HBK gave to Flair that (should have) ended his career almost 20 years later. That garbage will be lucky to be talked about 20 days from now.
They’ll never learn it’s the people and the build that are memorable, not the moves.
That comparison of superkicks is an outstanding example. Well done.
Facts, no printer 💯
@@zlinedavid Leave the memories alone...
When Corny said something about Uncle Dave walking around truck stops investigating people's unflushed turds, I was on the ground laughing! 🤣🤣🤣
The fact that triple H or Kurt angle have never had a 5 star match is proof these ratings suck
No just Kurt not having 5 stars is idiotic
And the Late Great Latino Heat doesn’t either. Especially against Kurt
@@walterspencer7524 Triple H vs Stone Cold at No Way Out 2001 is one 5 Star match Triple H should've had
@@scottdecowski4913 Plus, the WM matches against Taker.
@The Masked Heel Cactus Jack Street Fight at Royal Rumble 2000 hit me after I put up my first match haha, I'm not even a Triple H defender. The reign of terror was awful television
Kurt Angle's 30 minute Ultimate Submission match with "he who shall not be named" was one of the greatest matches ever. How'd that not get 5 stars? The inconsistency with these ratings is just bizarre.
Benoit?
@@el-youtub3r402 no Voldemort duh
@@el-youtub3r402who?
@@theTenaciousTea JR calling the match:- The Avada Kedavra, BAH GAWD, he hit the Avada Kedavra, its over, Going into the cover.
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He kicked out, BAH GAWD, Potter kicked out, King. The roof just blew off the Hogwarts Stadium, 18,000 are going insane right now.
How dare you not naming Chris Benoit? Despite his sin, the Rabid Wolverine is one of the greatest wrestlers that ever lived.
Once you don't give HBK and Undertaker at WM 5* your ratings mean nothing
WM 25 you mean. I think he did give that 5 stars. He should have given it to WM 26 too.
@@beefy1986 he gave their WM 25 match 4.75
@@mpb929 Oh ok. Then Meltzer is just fellating his friends in AEW.
@@mpb929 oh come on, seriously.
Yet it was the match of the year according to Dave.
To understand Dave's star ratings you need to know a few key things
1. WWE's rating are his baseline, a WWE 5 star match is an all time classic (Shawn v Razor, Bret v Owen, Bret v Austin, Shawn v Taker H.i.a.C, Punk v Cena, Seth v Cody, Gunther v Sheamus)
2. New Japan matches get a +2 to 2.5 star rating, AEW/RoH/NXT and other small promotions get a +1.5 to 2 star rating
3. Consistency between individual ratings is nonexistent, and he considers the 2000's the worst era for ratings despite having the best crop of technical wrestlers
4. Kurt Angle, Mr. Perfect, Edge, Eddie Guerrero, Triple H, Brock Lesnar, and Randy Orton combined have 25 fewer five star matches than Will Ospreay.
5. Bryan Danielson had zero 5 star matches in his first 22ish years wrestling, then he joined AEW, now he has five in about a year and a half...
You forget the most important part. His meal tickets the Elite get no lower than 4 stars, they can crap on the table and he'll give it 4 stars at least. 5 if it's Omega directly.
That Bryan stat is so bad and telling 😂
@@sebastianhoward3304 it’s ridiculous. He hasn’t even had anywhere near his best matches in AEW either, as good as some of them have been.
@@sebastianhoward3304 it is so damning because you can have your own thoughts about his WWE run--Meltzer pretty much doesn't rate the first 20-something years of a guy he literally has an award named after on the same level as Omega and Ospreay
number 4 and 5 is crazy.
Since Uncle Dave has never been able to actually be involved in the business, he figures that becoming a "Heel Journalist", in the mold of Dan Shockett and Eddie Ellner, is the closest he'll ever come to being a participant in wrestling. But rather than cheer on the heels and bash the babyfaces, he champions crappy wrestlers and wrestling companies, and bashes everything WWE.
And he had the audacity to say that he didn’t like some of the matches but gave them these ratings. He’s on the books with the Snowman
Dave would have gave it 7 stars if it was in the Tokyo dome
8 if it was Korakuen Hall.
Even if you are a diehard AEW fan, how can you think that main event was a 5 star match?. If that is the case CZW had 5 star matches every night.
It's clear Moxley desperately wishes he was Nick Gage. Except CZW actually knew how to put on a fuckin mudshow spectacle. Cage of Death 7 should be an easy 5 star match on the Meltzer scale nowadays if AITA is what passes for a wild brawl now.
The BCC will never be anything more than a watered down imitation of The h8 Club.
@DiruMede even some of the stuff in Control Your Narrative (what little I was able to watch without bursting out laughing) is better than that main event.
But given that the Dumb Yucks, Wank-Hand Page & Kenny O'Tosser are Melt-Turd's BFFs, & Great-Grandpa Dave is in the late stages of senile dementia, I guess it's exactly what we've come to expect...
Somebody should challenge Meltzer to explain how these AEW matches are as good as his 5- Star matches from the old days...
I do think the Iron Man between Danielson and MJF was that good, it was the best match in company history. In-ring perfection.
I want to know how that match was better than Rhea vs Charlotte the best women’s match in North American history.
Chris Van Vilet did that
Adam Cole vs Jericho rated better than The Rock vs Hogan 😅
L M F A O
Wow 😳 meltzer really does suck 😅
Jericho on the record said that match is a great match.
@@rizkyanandita8227 Well yeah, Chris Jericho is a great singer too, according to Chris Jericho.
Meltzer would swallow every ounce of the elites or Y2J’s semen no doubt
This guy thinks Anarchy in the Arena is better than literally every Kurt Angle match lol.
Meltzer is the Mel Kiper Jr. of wrestling. He has worked everyone into thinking he is an ‘expert’ when he has never booked, promoted, trained or wrestled one single match. And these wrestlers and fans that worry about his star ratings believe he is an expert because he has told them he is, and that they want to be told they are great, no matter what. And if anyone with any sense says different then they are the idiots. 🤨
Agreed. Kiper gets pick one correct just like my car does and then he is wrong the rest of the way.
@@jaredgarrison333 and with every pick he will say something like “What a great pick here. So and so has x y z and he will do a b c with this team. This tram made a great choice here” or say how bad the pick was. Even though he had no clue who the team was going to take.
Meltzer *is* an expert at one thing, wrestlong history. Nowadays he skews hos knowledge to try to help his pro-AEW narratives, but nonetheless, his historical knowledge is impeccable. That aside, his star ratings, even his reporting, is entirely meaningless. He hands out 5 star ratings like candy and he just parrots whatever The Elite tell him to say.
Who the hell is Dave Meltzer??
Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway
Kurt Angle a real wrestler never getting a 5 star match from Dave is all you need to know
It's bcuz phoney don't recognize real. Real recogz real.
Angle doesn't care about Meltzer's stars because he got something better in wrestling: money that he's still counting today lol.
My life is not great lately with many things going wrong. I've been very unhappy and all that. I kid you not when I just saw this I instantly perked up and smiled.
Thanks guys.
It will turn around brother.. stay positive
These are a highlight for me as well.
Best wished friend.
You're in my prayers!
@@charlesthoreson4162 You took the time to write that. They took the time to write something kind.
Think about that.
@@johnhess9443 exactly!
Dijak vs. Dragunov was better than all of them, shame Jim didn't see it
Yeah HBK vs Angle was awesome. His matches with AJ styles in TNA also
Man, that match was awesome and so many people are sleeping on it
Dave is so biased
Good match I enjoyed it
@@garygibbs92 big facts
I took at look at Dave's ratings for Night of Champions and I thought those were fine. But you're telling me that battle royal got the same amount of stars as AJ Styles vs. Seth Rollins AND more than Brock vs. Cody? Yikes.
Yes those matches were mid
@@pleaseshutup7053 and the matches in mark elite wrestling were trash...I think that was his point
@@oneyewitness3823 oh ok I didn’t see double or nothing
The arena brawl match got more that Charlotte and rhea that's tells you everything
@@pleaseshutup7053 oh well, my pleasure to update you on that pitiful excuse for a "ppv"...you didn't miss anything worth while...
I see Cornette talking about Meltzer, I click immediately
I'm so tired of Meltzer, I would prefer if Jim left him in obscurity.
Cornette/Meltzer, Cornette/Russo and Cornette/Khan are instant clicks.
@@zlinedavid Cornette/Kevin Dunn is an instant click too.
Jim tried to left dave but dave keep doing things to make Jim say about him
@@abcsin6526 Because without someone or something to bitch and moan about, Cornette doesn't have anything worth listening to.
The Bucks headband width is always on point in the thumbnail.
I think with meltzer it's a riddle that you have to figure out. With all aew ppvs you have to use the Tokyo dome method, divide it by 3, add 6, minus one and divide by 2 and you end up with every Aew match is inflated by 2* stars. So a 3* match is actually a 1* match
If it's got The Young Bucks or Kenny, you add 1.5 or 2 stars.
Wait, now I've gotta do calculus to figure out a match's actual rating? Damn, Dave.
Scott Steiner, is that you? ha ha
@@manuelper It's gotta be...right?? lolol
@@manuelper he’s forgetting to throw Kurt angle into the mix
Proud of Unka Dave for showing restraint and not giving the main event 17*s
Kurt Angle would have a plethora of 5 star matches under Daves rating system if only Kurt had renamed the Ankle Lock into the Meltzer Lock....
When Brian said the time of the anarchy match I legit thought he was about to say 26 stars 😂
Brian makes a great point. It seems like the aew ppv matches all try to go 25 min with multiple false finishes.
Oddly enough one of the key things Jim hated about Vince Russo also exactly happens to be one of the key things he hates about AEW booking: They remember something cool and then say "oh, let's do that in the show!" but they ignore all the context behind what made it cool, so the end result is often just a bunch of stuff thrown together with no suitable context.
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Piper vs Bret is a better match than anything AEW have ever done.
Definitely...and if meltzer done his job properly then Brett hart would have over 15 five star matches easily
@@dno8212 in my opinion I don’t think there is a wrestler with more 5 star matches. My opinion anyways.
Actually….there’s one. Dustin/Cody. But one match from the entire company in 4 years that’s even worth mentioning alongside Bret/Piper…pretty much says it all.
@@zlinedavid tbf that was the best match aew has had by a mile.
Just watched Punk vs Darby again. Was awesome. Plenty of great matches in AEW
Keep in mind that Meltzer gave Shawn and Taker at WM 25 4 and three quarters just because the Taker dive to the outside, where he almost landed on his head, made him feel uncomfortable and took him out of the match. Funny how nothing here makes him feel uncomfortable and can remain totally invested. Just remarkable.
That match was at least a 4 in a quarter, so what about Takers botch that wasn’t even his fault?
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 I'm just telling you what he said years ago when he reviewed the match.
The wrestling world needs more 5-10 minute matches. God damn could they really get some moves over if we didn’t see 900 of them.
Problem is several marks would say “it’s too short!”. With some people you can’t win.
@@robertnapier624 this is facts. You’d have people bitching about there tv time, but I swear I’d pay more attention to a 5 minute Hobbs match than a 45 min elite match.
I agree! This stigma of 15+ min matches for every match is ridiculous, especially for tv.
Meltzers five stars over his head being his own personal little “five stars” he seems to see no wrong in is truly artistic brilliance. Chefs kiss, thumbnail artist!
The Aubrey Edwards Vs Karen Jarrett match that looks incoming will be 5 stars to uncle Dave
Aubrey Ed deserved that guitar shot…
Aubrey Edwards? dont you mean Don Stevens?!
I think its obvious now that old Uncle Dave is only giving out stars like that because of who the person is, not because of any kind of quality of the match.
So, according to Meltzer, The Fatal Fourway at Double or Nothing was just as good as Rhea Ripley vs Charlotte Flair at WrestleMania 39.
It was up there with Savage v Steamboat for the IC title. Sure Melt-Jerk, whatever you say... X-P
Oh god! Dave would have given those Stadium Stampede matches 6 stars if he had the chance.
He did. They both got at least 5.
Never forget that Sammy once cut a backstage promo saying his motivation for being angry was that Meltzer wasn't giving him enough stars
Talking about match lengths and how it doesn’t impact matches.
Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero at Halloween Havoc 97 was only about 11 mins long. It was an absolute classic for both guys and told a story that fans wanted to see
It just needs to be a good match. It doesn’t matter how short or long something is. The IC Triple Threat at WrestleMania was 16.5 minutes and Danielson vs MJF was 72. It doesn’t matter how long the match is, what matters is the quality, and both of those were super high quality.
I saw Brian's all time favorite match live.
That Bret-Piper match was a super underrated WM match.
The only thing Unka Dave is good for anymore is to see how far one human being can go off the deep end. Consider him a cautionary tale.
Exploding fucking sneakers😂
The main issue I dislike about these star ratings is the replay ability of the matches.
Most of those bucks tag team matches never get replayed. Even on Twitter gifs lol.
How many times do you think Dave will even rewatch that anarchy in the arena match? No more than 2 times lol
I think there’s only 3 Young Bucks matches I really remember. The cage match at All Out 2021, Revolution 2020 with Kenny and Hangman and FTR in April of last year on Dynamite.
@@matthewl3002 I still remember them vs the hardy boys in Roh in a ladder match before the Hardy’s went back to wwe, think that was the last bucks match i rewatched
So the Meltzer star scale essentially starts at 3. What's a 3 star match to him is actually a zero star match. What's a 4 star match to him is actually a 1 star match, etc.
Now I wanna hear Jim and Brian review Tojo vs Plowboy, lol 😆
The Bucks and Meltzer touch each other
Fun fact: John Cena is the only wrestler with pockets included in his attire that has appeared on televised US wrestling programs more than Orange Cassidy. OC just passed Sandman recently.
So you mean to tell me this main event was better than Randy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat from wrestlemania III? It's on the level of Shawn/Razor or Owen/Bret?
Yes, if you go by what Meltzer says. Its also way better than Undertaker vs Shawn or any Kurt Angle Match
The idea of Dave rating truck stop deuces has me laughing my ass off.
He'd give my latest creation as I type this 4.5 stars. I thank the stir-fry I had last night.
Don't know why Jim always sounds shock at Dave's stars on AEW matches.
Brian mentioned WrestleMania III and the two longest matches on the card were Hogan-Andre which was the main event and that went 12:01. Savage-Steamboat was the longest match of the night and went 14:35. Everything else on the card was under 10 minutes. Thats kind of nuts to think about actually.
These days main event matches can last even longer depending on who’s fighting who. Which can be a good thing if the wrestlers can keep the audience sorry wwe universe (pal!) engaged.
Was gonna say Piper vs Hart happens to be my favorite match all. It had everything to do with the with the story telling and being a fan of both guys and their history. Also Kurt And Taker had an iron match on smackdown, my 1b favorite. Dave must be stuck on his knees. No morals or integrity left. FOOL IS THE BIGGEST MARK, next to the AEW hardcore. I don't care what show puts in on, but can we gets some good wrestling. Not mention now that MMA has been main stream, and we can see what really happens in a real fight. A real fight with trained specialist. How the F can you even suspended disbelief with this video game style garbage. You really can't
That iron man match was definitely a 5 star match 👍🏼
@@dno8212 yeah buddy! It got progressively better as time went on
Will Ospreay has more 5 star matches than WWE and NXT combined
And still nobody knows who he is
@@wildwine6400 Makes sense. Can do 1000 flips but has the charisma of a colostomy bag. Right up Dave's alley.
Biased Meltzer
whine
Only Ospreay's matches with Okada are worthy of Five and that's because Okada beats the shit out of Ospreay for 35 minutes.
Cornette and Brain you guy's should start doing their own Star Ratings when they do their reviews of things.
Jim should do a Cheesburger Rating. From "Where's the Beef?" to "Triple Cheese Burger with all the right fixins."
@@colincunningham5820 All of the Hardly Boys matches would get a “Veggie Burger” rating.
Kurt not having a (Meltzer) 5 star match is ludicrous. Just off the top of my head: Angle vs Lesnar WM19 (and their Iron Man match on Smackdown later that year) Angle vs HBK WM 21, Angle vs Jericho vs Beniot WM 2000, Angle vs Shane O' Mac KOTR 2001, Angle vs Edge Judgement Day 2002 hair vs hair. All 5 star in my book.
Not to mention the two matches that are probably the best example of pro wrestling (HBK vs Taker WM 25 & 26) didn't get 5 stars from Meltzer. Those are literally the first two matches that I'd show anyone who has never seen a wrestling match, and Meltzer couldn't give them 5 stars because they weren't in the Tokyo Dome.
Who cares, its arbitrary.
It might be arbitrary, but there is a such thing as objectively good wrestling, and fans know it when they see it.
Any match with Michaels was an automatic 5 star. Then you also have Lesnar. You could even bring up his top matches in TNA that are far better than anything Kenny Omega or Will Osprey have ever done.
@@mattpujol1111 my grandfather had never watched wrestling ever and he absolutely loved watching HBK vs Undertaker at WM25.
the picture of Meltzer is perfect
Dave loves exploding super kicks that's what people his age love and do.😂😂😂
People only pay attention to the “star ratings” because they know that Cornette will dissect them in such an eloquent manner the following day.
1:18 California Raisin Contingent cracks me up every time. It's one of the best names Jim's came up with yet. 😂
It’s amazing how much Cornette and Russo agree. It’s like listening to the same person sometimes
They are Joker and Batman to each other, respectively. Two sides of the same coin. It’s too bad Cornette hates his guts because if they would somehow manage to sit down and talk together they’d probably become reluctantly good friends.
AEW has somehow made Cornette, Russo, and Bischoff all agree with each other on a lot of points regarding AEW
Bruce Lee's Big Boss mandarin uncut version finally found , will Corny be watching it :P (it has been missing since '79 , funny thing is I couldve sworn I saw it back in the 80s.....it was for sure the real BB , not imitator or other kf films. Whats strange is the supposed brothel keyhole scene is missing , couldve sworn it was seen in the version I saw back then
“Anarchy in the Arena 2023 > every Kurt Angle match ever”- Uncle Dave
The exploding sneaker thing makes it -3 star match
Brutal
That whole show was a shitty Dynamite. For 30 years wrestlers saw Dave as a mark who had a newsletter no one cared about. Now all the top guys want to be his friend to get praise and he finally gets to hang out with people who do something he never could. His star system doesn't even have a criteria. He's clearly making it all up.
Are we even surprised anymore?
We all know you adjust things for inflation a 5 star match now is like a 2-3 star match from back then.
12:13 is a six star Cornetteism
I see Dave as the best example of how AEW's die hard base, himself included, are willing to lie about AEW to try and get it over. No one is realistic about that product over there. That's why it never gets any better - and never will.
meltzer's brain has melted
'you know, weeds legal in California'
Spot on about the modern notion of every match having to be long to be a classic. Both AEW and WWE are guilty of this. Not every match needs to be 20 minutes, not every main event needs to be 30+ minutes.
And this is why star ratings don't matter and the Internet needs to stop running to Dave Meltzer for opinions.
Did you guys saw what he said about The Usos doing Superkicks and WWE calling this a "Superkick Party"?
He had a Mental Breakdown😂
Its funny as Samoan and island wrestlers have been doing super kicks/savate kicks since before the Young Bucks were born. So its more acceptable for the Usos to use it, albeit it does get used too much
I wouldn't be against a temporary ban on superkicks. Usos could be much better if they were forced to get creative.
Did anyone see the video from that huge mark Chris Van Vilet where it says in the headline that "Will Osprey has had 25 5 star matches?" Meanwhile this guy has never drawn a dime in the US where nobody pays to see him and unless youre a huge mark or geek you dont even know who he is.
Hahaha yeah they had a whole conversation about it. He said it can help him in negotiations 😂😂. Sonic boom
Who?
Leave Chris alone, man lol
@@pleaseshutup7053 WWE is Sport Entertainment, bro. They dont care about your 25 5 star matches in a foreign country. Means nothing if they are trying to negotiate with you. If you have 25 5 star matches and you arent even AEW's top guy/talent then what does it really mean ?
@@Chaz4543 it don’t mean a thing if will osprey not gonna go to wwe like he said. He might as well go home and be a family man
You know, wrestling in the 80's to get over you hurt your opponent (kayfabe) These days, the more you hurt yourself the more you get over.
If Kenneth sneezed onto a handkerchief and presented it to Dave it would be given 5 stars
Kurt angle never have 5 star???? What the F..... So Dave will probably gave a 5 star rating to school amateur wrestling if there Barb wire, kendo stick or chair involved? 😮💨
Only if it’s his buddies from AEW.
Pockets better than Rock vs Hogan good grief
You haven't felt his pocket pinball though, he's a wizard.
I think my favorite match ever was John Cena vs Rob Van Dam from the ECW PPV for world heavyweight championship. It was the match where the crowd was extremely (yeah I said it) behind RVD. I think they threw John's shirt back into the ring 10 times. I think all around that was an absolute classic. I wonder how many stars that got? Dave doesn't want to hurt any feelings. He's like Tony.
Thanks guys
Wrong logo lol
Yeah I was wondering the same thing
It feels the same with movies nowadays, Longer is better when its rarely true. I daren't go to the cinema without a sleeping bag as most movies are at least 3+ hours. I wander out claiming asylum under the Geneva Convention.
8:22 If Jim knew about internet memes, that would have been the perfect time to say “HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS” from Breaking Bad lol
Hagler vs. Hearns 1985, round 1 was the greatest 3 minutes in boxing/wrestling/mma history. You don't need 20 minutes. You need fury. This was fury.
Listening to Dave for wrestling information nowadays would be like listening to him for skincare tips.
Quarter stars and half stars are just laziness, make a proper decision dave.
A 20 point scale for reviewing is only good if its a guy whose thorough throughout with his reviews, which given the medium and how long Dave has been doing this, cant be possible.
Dave Meltzer's favorite wrestler used to be Mitsuharu Misawa. He liked Misawa so much that he continued to rate his matches high even though doing so wouldn't help Meltzer's standing with Mokoto Baba, defacto owner of Meltzer's favorite wrestling promotion. Meltzer's one criticism of Misawa is that he worked too hard and damaged his body too much, more so when doing so lead to Misawa's death.
His next favorite wrestler was Kazuchika Okada. Dave's one criticism of Okada was, once again, that Okada didn't protect his head enough.
Meltzer hated the Hell In The Cell fall Mic Foley took. He hated the ROH ladder wars. He hated seeing Elix Skipper walk on top of the six sides of steel. What the hell has made him fall in love with Kenny Omega, who doesn't resemble Misawa, Okada, Randy Orton, Edge, The Great Muta or even Manami Toyoda, CM Punk and Davey Richards in the ring? He is so unlike all of Meltzer previous favorites! And what has made Dave love garbage wrestling? He used to hate that stuff.
The observation on matches being overly long is on-point. I remember watching Brett Hart vs. Shawn Michaels in their 60-minute ironman match at Wrestlemania XII and though it wasn't their best work separately or together, it kept my attention for the entire hour - with many of the highest rated ones today, I feel more like skipping or fast-forwarding because there's just something missing. Maybe it's because they're doing so much that there's no breathers, I don't know.
To this day, angle v shane at king of the ring, is the greatest street fight ive ever seen. Worlds better than these fucking anarchy in the arena matches
Dave Meltzer credibility is zero 🌟
Corny has lived long enough to see himself become the hero. Uncle Dave on the other hand...
I think Steiner math is the only thing that can solve how Meltzer rates matches.
Fanboy Meltzer