Exclusive: Android’s last chance to fix messages
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- Google is finally going to fix the messaging mess on Android. In this bonus episode of Processor, Dieter Bohn exclusively explains how Hangouts and Allo are getting replaced. Subscribe: goo.gl/G5RXGs
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What texting / chat app do you use right now? Do you think this new Chat system will be an upgrade? -- Dieter
My wife and I use Hangouts. 😑
It's not great but it works on my phone and laptop so it's still the default way we talk.
I would like to see this “chat” on iPhone so I could finally be able to text any android without the problems sms sometimes has
Hangouts because of Fi.
What's app 🐥
TeamSpeak for my close circle and FB Messenger for other circles
April 1st 2019... Still waiting 🤦🏻♂️
I'd still use What'sApp anyway
Smh
Apr 7
Look flopped
The App has long been released. It's called Messages, by Google itself.
NO YOU WOULDNT
Japan: LINE
South Korea: Kakao Talk
China: WeChat
Australia: SMS
USA: ?????????????????????
Rest of the world: WhatsApp
Randall I agree
iMessage bro. If not sms by default
Philippines: Messenger
almost everyone in my country uses facebook messenger since it's literally free anyway
Good to learn something new.. i thought the whole world used WhatsApp.
You really need to make your own channel. The verge is lucky to have you.
Lol I loved that montage of the attempts at decent messaging on Android
Thanks! It was so hard to decide what to include and what to skip! -- Dieter
WhatsApp haha
Srsly the Android messaging problem is just a US thing. Literally everyone in my country uses WhatsApp for chatting whether he’s got an iPhone or Android. I also don’t get how iMessage became the standard service for messaging, WhatsApp existed probably 2 years before iMessage was introduced.. how did you Americans communicate pre-iMessage? Just wondering.
Aliticx it's the tyranny of the default, man. iMessage is the default on iPhones and most "normal" people would never think to download a different app. I dunno what iPhone people did before iMessage. I've always been an Android guy. Probably just used SMS.
Before iMessage Apple users used SMS. Look at old screen shots of iPhone OS the icon said "SMS" on it...
Unlimited SMS/MMS, phone calls, Skype, email, tons of different chat apps...
I hope you're being sarcastic and are not really so behind as to think that WhatsApp and iMessage are the only forms of direct communication. If so, I really feel sorry for you. The problem here isn't figuring out which method to use, it's narrowing down the massive number of options so you don't have ten apps killing your battery for simple communication.
Before iMessage, (practically) everyone already had unlimited SMS/MMS. Outside of some businesses that communicate regularly with people outside the US, WhatsApp is practically unseen here, at least from my perspective.
Charles Eye, Meh...
People in my country uses Line, FB message, WeChat, Telegram, all sort of that things they like.
But WhatsApp is the "standard" here. It's like SMS fallback if the one you talk to don't use your favourite app. Since we don't have unlimited SMS across different carriers
So wait - you're telling me that you guys get charged for received sms? For RECEIVED?
No obviously the guy sending it will have to pay for sending it to you
@@ChaitanyaSrikar OK. Because the way, that it was said in the video, it sounded lke the receiver is (also) paying.
And I do remeber hearing something about charges for received calls.
If you receive an MMS, it uses data to receive it, but it still doesn't cost anything per message.
If you pay for received messages, you will pay it. It used to be a thing in the past. Nowadays no one charges for messages
I get charged for both send and receive SMS in Canada (Rogers)
That's why whatsapp is so popular.
I can't wait to not use it
I wish I knew people who used it. 😭
Tanner Kovach I think I don't know a person who doesn't use it 😅
h4m74ro then you're likely a teenager surrounded by special folks... Congrats
jairtzinio uhm, no, I'm not a teenager, nor are the folks around me any special. Everyone here uses whatsapp. You would be an alien without whatsapp if you were in my region.
Dude! I like this series...keep going! :)
Watching in October 2019. RCS still nowhere
Type in, "enabling RCS"
We can enable rcs on messages plus it is a bit buggy coz it is not available in all countries. Sometimes the chat feature gets disabled itself ... Also it is not auto enabled after the update plus only a small no. of phones has google messages as their default messaging app. This wont work as long as there are custom ui for every smartphone manufacturer where they have their own messaging app.
Content quality is getting so much better
As an Android user. iMessage is superior. I loved Allo but it was badly executed.
I think the app itself is pretty good. But there was no clear strategy to get anybody to, you know, use it. A bummer. -- Dieter
That Tech Though totally agreed, they should just give Allo sms and make it the default.
Bit Bite Chomp so basically all android users are supposed to be nerds about the OS and should use particular android ecosystem terms to prove he's a certified android user. You're missing the point of his opinion :(
I'd never even heard of it before. I've used duo but Allo never cropped up for me
Allo was great, the app is simple to use, the assistant integration was fun, but my friends using it jumped to telegram, guess what, everyone jumped too. They should have given Allo as a default instal when you get Nougat, and bake sms into it, and merge whatever google apps that needs merging, I'm getting so confused with google, it has a google now app and then there is assistant, and the used to be now gets neglected, now on tap, not sure if it's still useful, i heard inbox will be abandoned soon and mail will get refreshed instead.
Really hope Apple picks this up as well. Not for iMessage. But we could send iMessages between iOS devices, and RCS for others.
Seems unlikely considering Apple's stance on privacy and encryption. Also, what is the upside for Apple? Making Android users happier with their messaging?
@@macrumpton It's not like RCS's privacy is worse than SMS. The "upside" for Apple is that their customer's can more easily communicate with their Android counterparts, and maybe with RCS's improved group chat system, android users wouldn't be left out of group chats as often due to them making the group chats green.
wait, i hope i can finally uninstall whatsapp and kill the facebook universe..
i already use telegram. but i can only chat with iranians, here in NL everybody is on whatsapp.
well i would be one of the few people i know with a iphone.
As much as I'd like to avoid Facebook grabbing my Whatsapp usage metrics, contacts and God knows what else, at least Whatsapp's messages are encrypted end-to-end, once those messages leave your phone is pretty much impossible to decode them unless you somehow got the private encryption key that your friend's phone is using. Whereas this new "standard" of Google won't support encryption because it's based on the old SMS.
yeah good point. that's a problem for me too.. really strange they do not include that..
+Ale Zuvic well the private encryption key is transferred via a server... Facebook has that server. I don't assume they would miss on that chance to spy on Millions upon Millions of people
Oh and Dieter, loving these videos so far. Great!!
Please make an update video where is this?!?
IDK bout y'all but where I live literally everyone uses WhatsApp.. iPhone users too
iPhone users use WhatsApp but like iMessage way more
I live in Israel
I was really surprised when I found up ppl barely use WhatsApp in places like the US
Itay Tabib ohh
Yea...I mean its probably the reason Android doesn't have a good default messenger...apart from the US its a non issue
CoryMovies
So you live in Europe...since last I checked they started rolling out 5G in some parts around there
This is what keeps me from switching...hopefully it’s great.
Lmao a messaging app is keeping you from getting a better phone. Pathetic 😂
John Doe absolutely. I want to switch to Android but the lack of a messaging system like iMessage prevents me from switching. Messaging is basically the key component of a phone it’s super important.
I’m in the same situation. My entire family and most of my friends use iMessage. I long for the day that I can use my pixel and be able to have a shared, cross platform messaging experience. I don’t think it’ll happen because that’s iOS’ bread and butter.
John Doe so are you
John Doe It’s pretty apparent messaging doesn’t matter much to you. I guess you have no friends?
It's been 6 months, Nov 2018. I haven't heard of this yet.
Dieter, love that your answering peoples questions! Keep up the great series!
Literally nobody outside of the US. uses iMessage
VSG24 Canada
beast was about to say that
I live No where near US. But my whole family have been using it and I personally have been using it since 2012 ☹️.
I guess not so ‘literally’
Absolute Rubbish. Amongst my friends in Australia, all the iOS users use iMessage unless they are dealing with a a real FB addict in which case it's FB Messenger.
If you have an iPhone in the UK you probably use iMessage
Dieter is an extremely engaging and entertaining presenter and Processor is fast becoming one of my favourite Verge video shows.
sry but I just wanna see the day we got a real iMessage competitor
Basically same, but I think this is as close as we'll ever get. -- Dieter
LeBeautiful Google Allo has the potential to compete but it is lacking sms so you can't message anyone that uses a standard texting app. If Allo had sms it would make imessage look like crap.
Chris no, it wouldn’t. Because it would still be SMS...
Eric V no allo isn't sms. He means getting sms as a fallback for those who don't use allo. That way you can have just one messaging app instead of two separate ones. Kinda like what Hangouts had before it stopped being supported.
Eric V the only feature Allo is missing is the ability to send text messages to people that don't have Allo, if you give Allo sms you solve that issue and you have a better version of iMessage. Google doesn't need to reinvent the wheel to fix it's messaging problem, just go all in on a really good messaging app they already have. This is the same thing they did with Google pay, first it was Google wallet then they tried to "fix" it and made Android pay now they are "fixing" it again with Google pay. All while Google wallet worked and was better than subsequent versions.
Allo is super under appreciated
Gsauce 420 yes because it's not connected to sma
and because its not all in 1 messaging
Dear Americans, just use Whatsapp - Sincerely, rest of the World
No but seriously, how is this even a problem? Why are we talking about texts in 2018? Everyone is either on Whatsapp or FB Messenger and everyone have a data plan. How is this a problem to anyone?
-Wait, are you dumb or just a failed troll? "Dead app" with over a billion users? It got at least, by the lowest estimates, 800 000 000 more active users than iMessage. For your own sake I'm just assuming the comment was a bad attempt at humor.
Togg Tlas No one I know uses WhatsApp, so there's no reason for me to pick it over other alternatives, which all have more or less the same set of features and higher adoption.
Togg Tlas a billion users. But they're all poor brown 3rd worlders. We have no need to communicate with you.
"poor brown 3rd worlders. We have no need to communicate with you." Nice casual racism you got there. Western Europe btw. Try again?
waisodim666
I live in switzerland and I'm white
Try again next time.
This is not nearly as big of a problem for the rest of the world as it seems to be for the US. We all moved on from SMS a long time ago, and everyone with a smartphone can be reached via WhatsApp.
Denis Kudlik I couldn't agree more. Lol the only people who seem to have"issues" are Americans
Denis Kudlik yeah for some reason US is still so big on iPhone and on SMS. Come on guys, get over your obsession and move with the world!
Magitia Jesus man, that's crazy. I have 4gb (WhatsApp doesn't consume from it, it's "free") + free calls/sms for something around 17 usd here in Brazil. Of course 17 usd in Brazil is more valuable than 17 usd in Canada, but still. I have never sent/received a sms in my life.
Magitia In the Netherlands, I can get 5gb, 150 text messages and unlimited calls for 5-10€ a month. (And since everyone is using whatsapp, 5gb is easily worth more then unlimited texts)
David Western whats your carrier?
So you guys saying that you all are highly dependent on SMS, right? In 2018? When every person has either whatsapp or Facebook or telegram?
Volodymyr Shcherbatenko Most of my friends refuse to use any of those.
techmage89 your friends are idiots struggling with what should be a non-issue
Volodymyr Shcherbatenko it's the USA. The country that still uses miles, gallons, farenheit, feet and inches.
Volodymyr Shcherbatenko I'm in Canada and nobody I know uses WhatsApp. I've never heard of Telegram, and Facebook Messenger is bloated spyware.
I use SMS because most people dont use the same services I do, if people used Telegram and/or Riot, then I wouldnt be to bothered about this, but considering so many of my friends arent using telegram or riot as theyre on Fb messenger or WhatsApp, we only communicate via sms
I use telegram. It’s fantastic and already encrypted. I don’t see myself needing to switch :)
but telegram only encrypts if you text with other people that use telegram (same with signal) right?
Agreed!
Sean Rowe In the next 3 years Telegram will be the default messaging app throughout the world
Just joined the ship of the app. I'm using Telegram X and I love it because it works well and actually looks amazing. Reminds me of a dark Twitter theme.
Ronnie Aceves Telegram is just a beast. Most messaging apps are good only in one aspect, but Telegram wins in everything!
Why not make it run on like anyother messaging app based on a user's Google Account.
Less work and depdence on Carriers and RCS technicalities
With all the extra features and usebility Wifi and integration of Allo, Google Assistant etc...the adoption may be more quick and substantial. Am I missing something?
Shanmuka Nalli This is what hangouts does. It's an all in one app that has call and messaging, but instead of bring tied to a phone number, it's tied to gmail account, something I wish Google would do.
hangouts USED to do that the probblem was that they "missed the opportunity" basically of becoming part of the "in crowd" right when everyone was getting into whatsapp and fb chat with the stickers and group chats and video messaging etc google basically quasi-abandoned hangouts. Honestly they should have doubled down on hangouts, called it something else with "Google" in the name and upgraded it to have more modern features that people expect from chat apps of today (Allo for example has a good number of those features and great UI but it failed simply because it never offered anyone .a reason to install it).
because like what he said, google don't want to force all people to use their service, which is pathetic because that's the only way to do this thing right.
Shanmuka Nalli The point is to make it peer to peer and open source. This means that unlike Apple, this will work if Google shuts down it's servers.
On iOS, apple dictates what apps are shipped with the phone. Google can't make all manufacturers preinstall their shiny new messaging app.
2:29 Hangouts*
Hangout was/is the video chat that seems to be still in use in some profesional podcast like videos.
Hangouts was the Chat app that everyone knows.
Quality video as always. Thank you!
Add SMS/MMS to Allo and make it the default messaging app for Android and problem solved.
Joey Numbers That's what I said lol
I think the issue is basically that they already tried that with Hangouts and it ...totally didn't work. So no point in trying it again with Allo unless they're willing to go all out and kill the plain SMS app AND go full iMessage and auto-detect. Which, you know, would have been a huge problem for carriers. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I do think that Google figured it had to do all or nothing. -- Dieter
The Verge the issue is as you say, Google's desire not to piss off it's manufacturing and carrier partners. But Allo itself is a superior app to Hangouts. They should have just defaulted it and let Samsung and Verizon cry a river.
The Verge Why should Google be ultra sensitive about what Carriers think? Don't the Carriers need the Google phones more so than Google needs them? I firmly believe Google's unwillingness to develop a universal secure messaging platform has more to do with its data collection agenda than anything else.
But that's it though. Google really does need carrier's support. Why? Because carriers can just as easily start using other search engine services or start integrating amazon apps, etc.
Unfortunately the business model Google has prevents them at the end of the day from doing things the "Apple" way.
Ugh, I just want hangouts to get proper updates and work. Lately it just doesn't send, or doesn't notify. The only social thing Google ever had that worked was Google Talk and they flushed it down the toilet. It is absolutely ridiculous that there is not an official windows 10 app for hangouts. I need one messaging system that works on everything.
I love this series already!
:)
awesome informative video on the history of disaster of what messaging is on android(google)
While overlooking the real reason Android has never been able to have an iMessage style of service. Which has nothing to do with openness at all - and everything to do with iMessage.
Manny Hurtado Google does not own Android it any of its software. They simply regulate updates for new hardware and verify device manufacturer capability.
This is ALL you took from this?
eddie pearson You should seriously tag the people you're talking to.
It's been 2 years and I don't see any android message app being popular based on their feature updates.
I like Textra
通り鷹 me too
Not a fan of separate apps.
Everyone has texting, not everyone has a Whatsapp or a Facebook Messenger...
At least if I text someone, I know they should receive it.
通り鷹 I use that too but it has a notification bug
Never had a notification issue with it.
Maybe it's the device? Hardware?
I paid for the full version.
Wedge love it!
Telegram is so underrated
Mohd Azrul Tarmizi YESS oh my god, you can reply from pc itself with the app, it's encrypted and the UI is much better than whatsapp
yea right? It also has usernames for someone who doesn't wanna share phone number
Nishant Bahuguna Only secret chats are encrypted
i mean the option is still there if you are so paranoid
Nishant Bahuguna Who said anything how about paranoia. I was simply clarifying a possible misconception that you or the hundreds of people reading this comment may have
October no update yet
I just realized this video is 6 months old, guess they're not doing then
No encryption, no wifi/lte support. Sounds like a fail.
How do you conclude no wifi/LTE support?
The amount of likes to this comment really disappointes me.
Hangouts*
not Hangout
LOL it bothered me too!
It's pathetic really. Graphics guy has a hard on for Apple like the rest of The Verge
It's the verge, what can you do...
It would be amazing if we could spread the word in other regions using this video because it's incredibly concise and informative, you guys did a fantastic job putting this together, thank you so much!! Please please please get translation subtitles for other languages (especially Spanish) because there are a ton of other regions that are deeply used to alternatives like WhatsApp. My in-laws in Argentina all use Facebook and WhatsApp exclusively, which is by far the norm there. Word of mouth is far less reliable than sharing a link (since every retelling can be subject to alterations if it's not recalled verbatim-- anyone ever play the game "telephone"?) so pleeeeeaaaase get some translated subtitles! Thanks so much!!
Hope that your friend has Whatsapp. Seriously? Are you guys really using SMS? LMAO
Patrick Hocking yeah, I think the same thing. Do really people in the US use SMS? Like really? You can't even send long messages in one package let's not even mention high res images. WTF.
Ale Zuvic for some people none of that is important.
Hi, Verizon Wireless customer here.
I can just say that my family uses about 3,000+ SMS messages per month, according to our plan. We (father, son, mother) All use texting almost solely. Both my wife and I conduct business, where it's easier to give out a seven-digit number that people can use to contact you (What's the easy way to exchange WhatsApp information in a fast-paced business environment?) And if a potential customer doesn't have WhatsApp, you're screwed. Everybody has a phone, though. Landline, flip phone, Smartphone, whatever. They all have a telephone in some way.
Besides that, Verizon has made huge strides in improving texting as of recently, allowing FaceTime-like video calling to other Verizon and Sprint customers, that counts against your *call minutes* and not your *cellular data* (a common gripe with FaceTime). As for HD images, I've been sending the Ultra HD 4k HDR images I take on my GS9+ to my wife, and she doesn't have a problem. I even checked, the resolutions remained the same. As for the 160 char limit, I've never encountered this, as smarter technology allows those messages to be sent with identifiers that automatically piece it back into one message (on Verizon's end) to be delivered to the recipient seamlessly.
However, I do completely agree that messaging on Android needs a *massive* overhaul, and RCS sounds like a very solid method of doing that. Encryption is a must, though. Very annoying, bordering on affecting usability. But other than that small issue, I think this RCS project is geared perfectly towards some cool new future.
This is just my *opinion*, and I only have experience with *VERIZON*. I do not know the situation with any other carriers.
Steets apart from the business environment, where you can totally keep using SMS (I use email but whatever), the rest are things embedded into Whatsapp but Whatsapp gives you a richer more cohesive experience.
The 160 char limit is something many users suffer depending on the device, carrier and configuration of their phones. Having videocalls is great and all but like you said, it's not part of the SMS but a different app and a different service altogether provided by your carrier (I'm sure not all carriers have the same deal) so it really doesn't answer my question about why keep using SMS, sending HD videos isn't part of the SMS/MMS specification so if you can send HD videos to your wife is because some other deal and some other app is running in place. If it works for you, great! But still not a reason on why SO MANY Americans and not only you still use SMS.
Again, I'm not telling how you should use your phone, as long as it works for you that's great. I'm only trying to understand the actual reasons of the SMS hegemony in the US when there are more modern, better alternatives.
Alex Marko yes, I totally understand it. My father or my aunt don't give an f about cat videos, but we're in a TH-cam video by The Verge and apparently they also use SMS. So even advanced users use SMS in the USA, at least that's the impression.
April 6th 2019, seems Google failed to fix it in 12 months..
LOL STILL WAITIN GANG
If You go into sms app settings and turn on delivery reports you'll see if the message has delivered or not..
Well. I'm an iOS user but I literally prefer the Telegram, much more better than the iMessage and Google Allo also the This ''Signal" , I do not need to backup all, the data is there for when I want to use it, Telegram is amazing and much better than the others.
(Own Opinion)
Leonardo José You’re stupid.
Austin Kyle You're stupid
you have the option of using it though, a VAST majority of people where I live have heard of whatsapp, but don’t use it at all
Google should just buy WhatsApp from Facebook and work from there 🤷🏻♀️
Question- Would you be able to access your text on a desktop? example - like Hangouts. This way you have continuity between devices and you won't loose your text when you switch phones.
Really needs end to end encryption, else i'm not using it....
even whatsapp has it and facebook owns whatsapp.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Joseph Rosenberg they dont but that will change because the creator of whatsapp is leaving from it he says he doesn’t agree with what mark trying to do with users data
I doubt WhatsApp truly has end to end encryption. There is no way for us to find out. Facebook claims it has, but they lie all the time.
Tim van Helsdingen WhatsApp does have encryption, but since the messenger isn't open source, we can't really trust it and the backups aren't encrypted
Tim van Helsdingen haha why would anyone be so vain as to think anyone actually cares about what they are texting?
God, I hope RCS takes off
Honestly They should've Never Killed "Google talk" because unlike every other option, It actually worked just fine.
That's what i have been thinking all the way, now it's way too late
I honestly don’t think iPhone users are gonna care if they are the ‘green bubble’ if this works out. iPhone users usually text iPhone users exclusively
The cult must stay united
We shall play 8-ball with out fellow brethren
What? No they don't
Who tf does that?
That last sentence is definitely false
I knew allo would fail because of no SMS support.
i'm still surprised how many people haven't tried pulse for android. they have a client for your pc or mac so you can text from your computer or your phone. it also sends texts over wifi, if you're on a plane or somewhere without service. it's basically like imessage for android.
Doesn't change anything, 90% of the world will still use WhatsApp simply because it is Free, multiplatform and secure and it is super easy to use and the other 9% are iPhone users in the U.S. with iMessage and the 1% are people using SMS
EddyGraphic No one I know uses either of these apps. Many people use only SMS still.
Nah 90% of the world uses sms
Raian Pia No way. Europe and India use WhatsApp pretty much exclusively
Just use WhatsApp when you have internet and otherwise sms
Donnavon Hallgren problem is imessage is only on iPhone where an app like WhatsApp is multiplatform
Donnavon Hallgren we have clearly. Just not everyone is using it or its an app that only works on certain devices/platform. If everyone uses WhatsApp then none of this would be an issue
STiK not everyone likes or can afford apple products.
It's a carboat. Even if you could have a car boat, boats are pretty easy to rent and a normal car is going to do car things better. Even if you could have them together, you're probably going to want them seperate. Which is how I feel. I don't want the ambiguity of what type of message I'm sending and what part of my plan is being charged and not knowing who is receiving what kind of message. Like, it's pretty simple, everyone where I live has whatsapp and if there's a problem they'll send an SMS.
i really hope this series lasts long. I enjoy the neutral approach to the videos, its not an Apple fan boy or Android fan boy complaining but actually giving good discussion on what they can change to make their phones better.
We Indians have started using RCS since d late 2016 when all-ip Jio carrier started its service. The Jio chat/sms app is a full-blown implementation of RCS, though much of of it's users still think that it's just anothrer wechat like app. The problem is no other carriers support rcs in india yet, so the benefits are limited if you are to send an RCS message across different networks. Things are going to change rapidly in a few months time as all d carriers are already onboard d LTE bandwagon.
Anil Rathod i guess soon. Google is in talk with jio, Airtel and Vodafone.
Bliss
Google visits India.
Google: Hey guys I have this new idea called RCS.
Airtel: Hmm interesting.
Vodafone: I'll think about it.
Jio: I've already implemented your idea but these two idiots don't want to get onboard with it. Can you convince them?
adtc 😂😂😂
Why do the United States have so much trouble accepting the standards that the world uses, good example is the metric system and this texting app problem they seem to have XD
The US is weird. It rarely follows global trends on anything unless it absolutely, positively has to.
@@Calikid331 We do things to spite the rest of you. Obviously. Hence Trump and our indifference to soccer.
Terry I I’m American fam
Zephyr Drake they can do whatever they want
Just because we don't use an app, every other country that isn't white has to come crashing down our doors saying that the US is backwards and we have trouble lol. You think we care what app other people use? We just want what's good, and most of the US has iphones anyway. It's not like we have a hard time using what you use, we just don't want to
In Android if you open a contact it gives you options to open certain messaging apps like WhatsApp, Viber and Telegram the contact is registered on. So it's not really a problem to remember which app your friend is using. Just look at the contact list! (I don't know about iPhone though)
Or you just go to contacts, choose a person and you have all the messaging apps they use there?
Darek ...which means I need to switch between four different messaging apps constantly...
techmage89 ...or you can convince all your friends to use only one app, good luck 😁 (options are good people, you really wanna be forced to use only one app? 🤦♂️)
Darek Believe me, I've tried. For a while almost everyone used Google Talk/Hangouts until Google trashed it. Now no one listens to me. It's impossible to hold group conversations because the probability that any two people have the same app installed is low. SMS is the only guaranteed way to contact people I know.
techmage89 so true, I agree completely and yet I'm gonna play the devil's advocate. It's open market and every company wants a piece of messaging cake, let the best one win 💪
at least they arent forced to buy an iPhone just for iMessage
I use we message but I am VERY excited about this upgrade! Any idea when it will come out?
My takeaway: People actually use Duo, cool!
RCS has finally been released for everyone
Someone let Dieter Bohn take over the verge, this was one of the most quality videos they've dropped
Hahaha yeah it's really funny how you North Americans are so complicated about this. In most of the rest of the world (including Western Europe) we all (like 99% - maybe even more - of people who have phones, including who have the most money) use whatsapp, it's really a great app.
@@warzonetamilnoobs8063 you have end to end encryption
@@warzonetamilnoobs8063 and btw, why would I care? What are they going to sell? My mum saying I have a doctor appointment at 7?
@@warzonetamilnoobs8063 Use Telegram.
Not in France
I love Android but this is the one downfall. It sucks. I love Allo but asking my friends to download it also sucks. I'd rather than messenger just work
Miguel Angel Medina Rise Agreed
Allo is really good
I still don't think it can compete with Whatsapp, whatsapp is the only texmessaging app I use, i never use SMS. Neither do any of my friends or family.
Textra is a good app
Hey here's something you didn't know.....
4 months of 2k19 have already passed
I have 3 carriers in my country, I asked around support of each one of them when will RCS be available on their network, and only one of them's been supporting it apparently since 2017. (Telenor), and from the other two one doesn't know exactly when will it be implemented, and the other one haven't even heard what's RCS.
Honestly they should just make an imessage clone, and put it in the play store with rcs support. No need to fight the carriers as they said it doesn't need to be the stock app I just don't get it
Mod/Tune they'll get billion users within couple of years if hey get manufacturers and carrier support!
Isn't everybody using Whatsapp?
No. Shut up.
@@ltdzinger chill out
No. One thing I noticed is that WhatsApp is most popular in non-english speaking countries. The US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc iMessage rains supreme because iPhones are more popular there, specifically among younger people.
@@Calikid331 No all of Canada though, it's more of an Eastern Canada thing, I don't know a single person that uses it in Vancouver or Calgary where I lived for a couple of years.
Not in the US
So now Google want to read my SMS too... Gimme some space to breath.
Never even considered using a different messaging app because the stock app does the job fine.
Where I live we all just use WhatsApp
Watching in late 2020 and I can barely remember what life was like before everyone had RCS 😂
Literally everyone uses SMS...
Dizzie You must not live in Europe.
Just north america
@@bloempie123 or literally anywhere else but America
Less than few hundred or maybe thousand people will use this in India. Just an opinion, I could be wrong.
Aakash Kalaria nobody cares about india
@Celestial Menace and yet, it's HUGE market. So huge that Allo was launched in India first. Maybe it was random decision... right?
Hypothetically, if we were to send an rcs message to someone who may or may not have that feature, how will we get notified that that message will be sent as an rcs or an SMS message? I ask because I believe that this solution has the potential to confusion in phone plans that have a limit of SMS messages that can be sent.
What's the problem with you American that can't use a couple different messaging apps?
The Cake Glutton Because we like to have all of our conversations synced to one application across all of our devices. Like how iMessage is pushed to my Apple Watch, iPhone, iPad, and Mac through iCloud seamlessly and is fully encrypted without using SMS. Using multiple applications to simply text different people is so fragmented and inefficient that I refuse to do that.
Andrew Compton well wanting to have a one-app setup and then use iMessage is an oxymoron. It’s proprietary and not available on all platforms so you throw your basic requirement out of the window.
The Cake Glutton It’s not an oxymoron for me; all of my friends and family use iMessage or SMS, so I can text everyone through iMessage and can continue all of my conversation on all of my devices.
Andrew Compton oh yeah and how can you know you’ll want to be locked in the ecosystem for the rest of time? Or any of your friends or family. What about work, Android is over 75%, don’t tell me you haven’t messaged an Android user ever.
Being able to access the convos in an ubiquitous manner is great, but such a #firstworldproblem…
The Cake Glutton u can still message Android users on iMessage. All your messages is all in one place unlike third party apps where a few friends might have the app while a few others won't creating fragmented communications.
EVERYONE uses Whatsapp in our country.
When is this suppose to come out? And are you using android messages for your android device ?
I bet Google's beginning to regret making Android open source. Apple has control over their entire OS from top to bottom, meaning whatever iPhone you have, you are getting the best iOS experience the way Apple intended.
That's why iPhone users don't even have to think twice about what messaging app to use, it's already built in as iMessage and every other messaging app is obsolete because iMessage is 100x better.
Also, this seems to be a US problem. I have almost never seen someone use WhatsApp in America.
Renovator as far as i know, iMessage only works with fellow iOS, then what about your friends on android?
David Sensei I honestly don’t have any friends on android. iPhones are far more common in America, especially with people around my age.
David Sensei people who use android get shamed as “that green bubble,” and resort to texting on Snapchat or insta usually
when you go near people who have family,friends in other countries you will see lots of people using whatsapp its universal.
go to Boston, New York, Florida, California. you will see lots of whats app users.
Google find a way to encrypt the app,,do that.. Make Android history!!! You can do this!!🃏📱
this actually happened some years ago when google force people to use Hangout as their default app. But obv ppl dont like it..
No end-to-end encryption. No thank you.
Why Google, SMS is simple and its good for anything else what's app is there.SMS in simple form is good.
Raghav Sharma yes
Raghav Sharma SMS is a joke
Crazy thing is, hangouts has been “iMessage” for years but nobody ever used it.
I used jt for video chat but never had a problem with sms so i just used that for texting.
S8+ i can send more the 160 characters never had a problem
Kevin Kiss Yeah most phones will just automatically split your messages into 160 character pieces and then stitch them back together on the other end.
Every OEM and carrier apply different SMS/MMS limits.
Nevertheless, if you're communicating with another Samsung device or are on the same network, such as T-Mobile, as the person receiving your messages, you both can already enjoy RCS.
However, if you're both on different devices and or different carriers, you will experience carrier limitations.
People with iphones here even use whatsapp lol. Imessage is a no go
And in 2018 who uses sms? Sms hasn't been big for the last 8 years of so
The advantage of Hangouts is that the message will show up on multiple devices including your Chromebook. This is a huge advantage over something like a low or Duo as they are only able to be used on a single device. IMessage can also be used on multiple devices and is encrypted. What would be nice is if Google were able to improve on Hangouts and integrate that technology into an SMS app or leave it as a standalone app. I hate the idea of having my mobile die and having no other way to chat. At least with multiple devices you can use your tablet, laptop or a second phone if needed.
iMessage tha god
Textra works great on my Note 8 😀... Hey...🤔...that rhymed! Give me a beat 🥁... Textra works great 🥁 on my Note 8 😁.
redelgado99 I use TEXTRA as well
Well i fixed it and now i can message using the thing....but the thing is i have no body to chat with
That's why I didn't bother to do it lol
Just use iMessages! Face it, Apple just got texting right the first time.
and then patented it with vague overreaching patents ensuring no other platform could ever have anything that worked even slightly like iMessages.
OK, tell me where I can get iMessage for my Android phone...
techmage89 th-cam.com/video/YXi2_jgKid4/w-d-xo.html Either you need a Mac computer or I found another way to do it. If you have a Windows PC download the software VM workstation pro. get a DMG copy of macOS from the Internet. Open up VM workstation pro and choose the file you download from the Internet as their main iso file. This will install macOS on a virtual machine on your windows PC. once you open up macOS as a virtual machine you will be able to do this iMessage hack. Yeah it’s a little involved but it’s the best and only way I’ve found to do it for somebody that doesn’t own any Apple products whatsoever.
David Ackley Yes, that's a great solution for messaging on my Android phone while away from home... all my friends who also have Android phones. Actually, I don't know anyone who has an iPhone at the moment. This isn't really a practical solution for most people.
techmage89 I know it’s not practical but nevertheless it does work
Orrrrr you can get a iPhone and have iMessage
Goochvids believe me that's never gonna happen
Goochvids bro the iPhone x sold out all 1.1 million devices in just 13 hours!!!!!
Mohamed osman are you going to donate $1000 dollars for my new iPhone?
lmao then 1.1 million idiot just got ripped off. I swear apple will go down in history as some of the most successful scam artists ever
グーチ動画 iPhone X isn’t by any chance discontinued. They’re getting ready to announce a new iPhone that will replace the X.
Honestly, signal works so well. Even when the other party doesnt have signal either
I hope this one sticks because I'm so tired of not loving texting. it was so much easier when I had an iPhone...