Just a quick note: I can't recall if you mentioned the 10/12 min tune/adaptation in this video or another, but I was looking at a deal TSB about adaptations and it looks like what you're referring to is the "Off Idle Adaptation". Dealers can run a Fast or Standard Adaptation using their triumph diags software suite, but there is an Off Idle they can't run because it takes 12 min while riding at constant speed, so the TST told them to tell customers to do this on their own time, and I think that's where the lore of the 10 min tune came from, only it seems you gotta be moving. I'll quote form the service manual here: "NOTICE: 1. Both the Fast Adaptation and Standard Adaptation methods only adapt the idle area. 2. The off idle area can only be adapted when the motorcycle is ridden under load, i.e. on the road. 3. The off idle adaptation area covers cruise sites from 40 to 60 mph (60 to 100 kmh), therefore the motorcycle must be at operating temperature and ridden at a constant speed for a minimum of 12 minutes in order to adapt. As it is not always possible for dealers to adapt motorcycles in this way, dealers are therefor recommended to inform customers that the motorcycle will continue adapting during normal use. If during an adaptation cycle the conditions are no longer met, for example if the motorcycle is ridden aggressively, the motorcycle will take longer to adapt." This info followed the dealer adaptation where it was indicated that the motorcycle should be connected to the diag tool, run the bike, don't touch the throttle, wait till the temp rises to 90c and the queue the adaptation from the diag tool. Which again reinforces that the 10min tune is a conflation of the on and off idle adaptation methods.
Have a dyno or anything to show what the mods did with the tune? Did DNK show you a power band or anything so you knew what you would be getting in regards to performance? Can't seem to get an answer out of DNK as to what exactly their tunes do for any model of bike over rand above just removing the throttle restriction at higher RPMs and raising the rev limiter which you can do yourself with the basic TuneECU App.
Hey Adam , have you noticed at all if the popping went away on deceleration? ......also could please elaborate in detail what in particular did this tune enhance ......wheelies obviously are a sure fire sign that throttle is improved but more importantly I’d like to know more about any improvements in the rev range from low down to midrange and to the top end ? Your input I believe would benefit fit us all in the new liquid cooled modern retro triumph community .....please get back to me .....much thanks , Louie
Hi Adam, I think you are missing a trick here, how about a program on how the tune has changed the behavior of the bike and describing any negatives? It would be also good to know how easy it is to reset to standard tune.
Adam your bike sound real good how can i make mine sound this way and also can you give me a contact for the ecu map and change i m in LA thx for your time and thèses vidéos philippe
hey Adam - have you ever tried the "log" feature in tuneecu? basically, doing a 3rd gear pull on the road while recording the data to tuneecu so you can review the engine parameters? just ordered the dnk tune and had to buy a new tablet to get tuneecu to work properly, so havent demo'd it yet, but spotted the "log" function. benefit would be asking DNK for a tune revision based on how "your" bike is performing on an off-the-shelf tune.
Can you elaborate? What improvements were noticed after? Less twitchy throttle? quicker? Less engine braking? or very little change? Thanks Adam. Remember me? It's this or the Z900RS.
Hey Adam, thanks for the video. For certain reasons I dare not cheat on the software. The question is whether this will invalidate the warranty in the event of problems. Can I give you another tip, always wear your gear .. ;-)
Hi Adam I got a 2017 street scrambler with vance and hines decat exhaust, forums says the offroad vance and hines tune are no longer available, do you know of any tunes for my bike, many thanks. I am in Melbourne Aus......
Thanks for all your video. I watched every of them. I also have a speed twin with X pipe and Cone mufflers. Did the tune avoid the poppings? Did you kept the O2 sensors.
i installed a new map on my triumph sprint st 1050 and the petrol gage is not working only the red light comes on when it is empty.it works when i first turn the bike on when it does the test thing with the clocks have you got any ideas why it my be like this. will i need to reload the map and TPS sensers .thanks
Adam first of all thanks for all the videos, it's been a huge help to me in my speed twin journey. I have a 2021 all black (not the new 2021), I love it and your videos have been a huge help to me. I'm curious which riding mode you were in for these performance upgrades? do you just leave it in sport mode? thanks
FYI OBDLink MX+ will work with iOS devices, it is a bit more pricey tho. On another note, Adam, get a polarizer for your lens, you'll find it easier to record screens, especially outdoors.
Great video. I think I will do something like it down here in Brazil, Rio de Janeiro. I have already saw a lot of your videos and a lot more from other folks about the ST. Let me ask you this: Did you experience any front brake squeal on low speeds til stop, like a traffic light? There are a lot of people out there with this problem and apparently no solution. I already tried several things including exchanging the brake´s pad for EBC and still the same random problem. Well, if you have or had, did you do anything to solve? Thanks. And by the way, try to rotate 180 degrees each mirror and le me know if you fell any difference. Regards.
The only time I get any squealing is after long spirited canyon riding, It’s not all of the time though. Compared to others complaints I’ve have minimum issues but it’s occasionally present. I assume it happens for me when. The rotors get very hot. I keep my mirrors this way to make it narrower so I don’t clip cars when I split lanes (legal in Los Angeles!)
Fala Arnaldo. Conseguiu fazer remap aqui no RJ? Não encontrei lugar nenhum que faça. Tenho decat e ponteiras esportivas e tem muito backfire com a ST. Queria melhorar a experiência da motinha
I’d be willing to guess yes, but I’m sure it depends on what on the bike is being warrantied. They may overlook it if something not related was broken.
All three modes are improved drastically, and any manufacturer can void a warranty for basically anything they feel, it's been like that since the start of time. That said, in many markets, the end-user is protected and the manufacturer would have to find a direct link to a failure to have a warranty concern. If your radiator leaks, that's on Triumph.
Nice video! I recently put a modified version of this tune on my Speedy. After seeing you pop some wheelies i think im gonna make another 0-60 video with the tune and some pipes! You should check out some of my vids 👍 keep up the good work and ride safe
I’m looking at doing a DNK tune or a power commander I have a 2018 Truxton 1200R same engine as you what is the difference and do you recommend one more over the other?
Power commanders have always been a good choice for most bikes but I think it’s a bit overkill for mild tuning of the ST. Triumphs ECM is quite good at adapting to mild tunes
I think that’s a tough question, when I was in my early 20’s I’d say sure! Now days I’d much rather ride two up on a touring bike or cruiser. It’s certainly possible but I avoid it for the most part.
You need to take the Booster Plug out, as this makes the Booster Plug irrelevant entirely. You can order as many maps as you like, though, we won't stop you.
Hi Adam , you could have used a mirror in lieu of the tablet and we wouldn’t have been any wiser .....🤪 Nice video anyway 👍🏻👍🏻🍺🍺 P.s. Did you have your traction control off while riding .
That red light is the tire pressure monitor, only real issue I’ve had with the ST. The pressures are at factory specs and the sensor says otherwise. May need to have that looked at eventually.
Adam what do you think of the bike now after having the retune in it now for a few months. I know we are not suppose to be concerned about fuel mileage, but with the small tank I got to ask what the mpg is now on the average if you figure it. Hey the mpg may have went up even I know it did when I did the decat. Live in the desert west of Phx. and sometimes the distance on rides can be very close to running out. Do carry a little container on long trips. Was thinking of trying to get the TecBike.com camshaft for it but after watching your video(twice now) I am really thinking of doing the tune. Great videos! Thanks.
The tune in my opinion is worth doing! It’s not a huge difference but it’s noticeable and it really seems to bring an already awesome engine to the next level of smoothness and power delivery. As far as fuel mileage, I’m not much of a help really. I’ve never had a situation where I was on the verge to running out of gas. Between the before and after mods I’d say it’s not much different but for me with the mods I find I burn more gas in general because it’s so easy to push this bike to its limits in the twisties! Thus I fill the tank often lol!
@@AdamCrollThanks for the quick response. Bike before this was a Victory Cross Roads. Good bike , but started having issues and parts were getting hard to get. This is my 3rd Triumph over the years. Really enjoy the over 300-lbs less in weight. Wife no longer rides with me, so I got the bike that seemed to get my attention when it came out and went back to Triumph (again!). Seen them change dramatically from my first 1978 750 Bonneville to the new Triumph Bonneville. Would love to dyno our bikes. Just use the old butt dyno...... Would like a bigger fuel tank for it, may make one one day.
Sport mode, I’ve never actually turned TC off, I like having a tiny bit of assurance. If I’m not in the canyons I often keep it in Road mode though, it’s a bit more pleasant for stop and go imo.
@@AdamCroll I've noticed just the opposite. My '22 feels less snatchy in Sport mode at low speeds. I've got the USBlink MX+ arriving in a couple days. I'm anxious to unleash the bikes full potential with a custom ECU tune. The second gen. Speed Twins have 12 to1 compression ratio with forged pistons, a bigger camshaft and better flowing ports. I'm hoping for around 110hp with the mods I've made already and the new tune. The factory mufflers sound soo good with the baffles removed and a British Customs competition x-pipe in place of the cat. I always run premium non-ethanol fuel, with Stabil, and Klotz Nitro octane booster with Koolinall, added to each tank in appropriate amounts. Never once has it popped or sputtered at any throttle position since I've had it.
I think it's awesome that you are tweaking your bike into what you need - but I disagree that this is how the Speed Twin should have been stock. Not all of us want to tune our bikes, thus changing them into ..... some hybrid entity. This bike is PLENTY for me at year 3 of my riding career. But if you have an insatiable need to customize .... can you add a Motodemic headlight ;) I think they are very cool ....
Geez, explain what you’re doing as you do it rather than mumbling to yourself. Also, jump cut the out of focus upload screen…we’ve all seen loading bars before. 👎
Dude you lost me!! I couldn't see anything on that screen that you kept tapping and your voice was so low! After 7mins of confusion I clicked out! Sorry, and I'm in the market for a Triumph bike!!
![SPEED TWIN Customisation [4/4] - I think it's time to stop](/img/n.gif)
Thanks for making this video. Have a speed twin as well. Brian over at A&J actually recommended this to me last week. I'm sold. Thanks!
That dog at the end was hilarious!!! Thanks for including :)
One of those ankle biters a person wants to kick a field goal with.
Great video and nice HJ Pano on your shirt!
Easy to remap the ECU for sure, bummer is USA is way behind on fuel. My vehicles can't even drive there, as they require RON98. Keep up the vids !!
That tshirt of an Aussie icon 😍
Might do this mod for my 1200 scrambler 👍
Did a Triumph twin power tune on my t100 , well happy with it 😀
A&J is great! Not only do they have tons of great parts in stock but they are super helpful!
Second on that…the guys at A&J are awesome.
Just a quick note: I can't recall if you mentioned the 10/12 min tune/adaptation in this video or another, but I was looking at a deal TSB about adaptations and it looks like what you're referring to is the "Off Idle Adaptation". Dealers can run a Fast or Standard Adaptation using their triumph diags software suite, but there is an Off Idle they can't run because it takes 12 min while riding at constant speed, so the TST told them to tell customers to do this on their own time, and I think that's where the lore of the 10 min tune came from, only it seems you gotta be moving. I'll quote form the service manual here: "NOTICE: 1. Both the Fast Adaptation and Standard Adaptation methods only adapt the idle area. 2. The off idle area can only be adapted when the motorcycle is ridden under load, i.e. on the road. 3. The off idle adaptation area covers cruise sites from 40 to 60 mph (60 to 100 kmh), therefore the motorcycle must be at operating temperature and ridden at a constant speed for a minimum of 12 minutes in order to adapt. As it is not always possible for dealers to adapt motorcycles in this way, dealers are therefor recommended to inform customers that the motorcycle will continue adapting during normal use. If during an adaptation cycle the conditions are no longer met, for example if the motorcycle is ridden aggressively, the motorcycle will take longer to adapt." This info followed the dealer adaptation where it was indicated that the motorcycle should be connected to the diag tool, run the bike, don't touch the throttle, wait till the temp rises to 90c and the queue the adaptation from the diag tool. Which again reinforces that the 10min tune is a conflation of the on and off idle adaptation methods.
This definitely seems like a good mod! Bike looks snappy and responsive.
Adam we use an Android cell phone for all our OBDLink stuff, works fine mate
Bloke!
Have a dyno or anything to show what the mods did with the tune? Did DNK show you a power band or anything so you knew what you would be getting in regards to performance? Can't seem to get an answer out of DNK as to what exactly their tunes do for any model of bike over rand above just removing the throttle restriction at higher RPMs and raising the rev limiter which you can do yourself with the basic TuneECU App.
I like your Aussie Sandman T-shirt
Thanks! Got it in Melbourne!
@@AdamCroll that's where I live could not afford a Sandman Panel van now
Hey Adam , have you noticed at all if the popping went away on deceleration? ......also could please elaborate in detail what in particular did this tune enhance ......wheelies obviously are a sure fire sign that throttle is improved but more importantly I’d like to know more about any improvements in the rev range from low down to midrange and to the top end ?
Your input I believe would benefit fit us all in the new liquid cooled modern retro triumph community .....please get back to me .....much thanks , Louie
Hi Adam, I think you are missing a trick here, how about a program on how the tune has changed the behavior of the bike and describing any negatives? It would be also good to know how easy it is to reset to standard tune.
Great videos Adam, keep up the good work.
Great video fantastic bike stay safe 🇬🇧👍🏻
Hey Adam, were there some yellow dashboard error lights on after the tune? Cheers
Adam your bike sound real good how can i make mine sound this way and also can you give me a contact for the ecu map and change i m in LA thx for your time and thèses vidéos philippe
hey Adam - have you ever tried the "log" feature in tuneecu? basically, doing a 3rd gear pull on the road while recording the data to tuneecu so you can review the engine parameters? just ordered the dnk tune and had to buy a new tablet to get tuneecu to work properly, so havent demo'd it yet, but spotted the "log" function. benefit would be asking DNK for a tune revision based on how "your" bike is performing on an off-the-shelf tune.
Where did u get the sandman t-shirt asking for an Aussie mate
In a target store in Melbourne.
What's the red light on for?
Can you elaborate? What improvements were noticed after? Less twitchy throttle? quicker? Less engine braking? or very little change? Thanks Adam. Remember me? It's this or the Z900RS.
Hey Adam, thanks for the video. For certain reasons I dare not cheat on the software. The question is whether this will invalidate the warranty in the event of problems. Can I give you another tip, always wear your gear .. ;-)
Update? Still got the bike and running the dnk? Curious of longevity with aftermarket tunes.
Hi Adam I got a 2017 street scrambler with vance and hines decat exhaust, forums says the offroad vance and hines tune are no longer available, do you know of any tunes for my bike, many thanks. I am in Melbourne Aus......
Just heard it voids the warranty though. And wonder how much different it is with just putting it int Sport mode?
Thanks for all your video. I watched every of them. I also have a speed twin with X pipe and Cone mufflers. Did the tune avoid the poppings?
Did you kept the O2 sensors.
Still have the O2 sensors, popping is still there but not as bad as it was.
i installed a new map on my triumph sprint st 1050 and the petrol gage is not working only the red light comes on when it is empty.it works when i first turn the bike on when it does the test thing with the clocks have you got any ideas why it my be like this. will i need to reload the map and TPS sensers .thanks
Adam first of all thanks for all the videos, it's been a huge help to me in my speed twin journey. I have a 2021 all black (not the new 2021), I love it and your videos have been a huge help to me.
I'm curious which riding mode you were in for these performance upgrades? do you just leave it in sport mode? thanks
Nice video! Couple of questions:
1) did you reinstall the BoosterPlug after the tune?
2) how long did it take to remap?
Booster plug is completely removed, remap took 10 minutes to load onto the ECU.
@@AdamCroll so should I bother with a booster plug? I have a 1st gear pull stall issue what it gone
Can you please do us emergency services workers and hospital staff a favour and wear more than shorts and a tshirt when riding?
Just curious, does this system allow saving a backup copy of the stick ECU tune so you can backflash?
Is there a way to have the tune whilst keeping the burble on deceleration?
FYI OBDLink MX+ will work with iOS devices, it is a bit more pricey tho.
On another note, Adam, get a polarizer for your lens, you'll find it easier to record screens, especially outdoors.
TuneECU won’t work with iOS
Hey Adam, with this tune, now that you removed the booster plug, did u put the snorkel back in place?
I left it off.
enjoy ya trip at 7:26 (sorry, I couldn't help myself)
Great video. I think I will do something like it down here in Brazil, Rio de Janeiro. I have already saw a lot of your videos and a lot more from other folks about the ST. Let me ask you this: Did you experience any front brake squeal on low speeds til stop, like a traffic light? There are a lot of people out there with this problem and apparently no solution. I already tried several things including exchanging the brake´s pad for EBC and still the same random problem. Well, if you have or had, did you do anything to solve? Thanks. And by the way, try to rotate 180 degrees each mirror and le me know if you fell any difference. Regards.
The only time I get any squealing is after long spirited canyon riding, It’s not all of the time though. Compared to others complaints I’ve have minimum issues but it’s occasionally present. I assume it happens for me when. The rotors get very hot.
I keep my mirrors this way to make it narrower so I don’t clip cars when I split lanes (legal in Los Angeles!)
Fala Arnaldo. Conseguiu fazer remap aqui no RJ? Não encontrei lugar nenhum que faça. Tenho decat e ponteiras esportivas e tem muito backfire com a ST. Queria melhorar a experiência da motinha
@@JonathanBijos Não. Nem vi isso ainda.
Great video as usual! Just a couple of questions: Does Triumph void the warranty for using a 3rd party ecu remap? and Does this remap all 3 modes?
I’d be willing to guess yes, but I’m sure it depends on what on the bike is being warrantied. They may overlook it if something not related was broken.
All three modes are improved drastically, and any manufacturer can void a warranty for basically anything they feel, it's been like that since the start of time. That said, in many markets, the end-user is protected and the manufacturer would have to find a direct link to a failure to have a warranty concern. If your radiator leaks, that's on Triumph.
Nice video! I recently put a modified version of this tune on my Speedy. After seeing you pop some wheelies i think im gonna make another 0-60 video with the tune and some pipes! You should check out some of my vids 👍 keep up the good work and ride safe
I’m looking at doing a DNK tune or a power commander I have a 2018 Truxton 1200R same engine as you what is the difference and do you recommend one more over the other?
Power commanders have always been a good choice for most bikes but I think it’s a bit overkill for mild tuning of the ST. Triumphs ECM is quite good at adapting to mild tunes
1 quick question mate!! Do you think this bike is comfortable enough for riding it with my girl on the back??
I think that’s a tough question, when I was in my early 20’s I’d say sure! Now days I’d much rather ride two up on a touring bike or cruiser. It’s certainly possible but I avoid it for the most part.
Really enjoyed the glare on the screen and not being able to see what you were doing.
Ya still running your booster plug with the new flash? Are there multiple maps or just the 1 new reflash? Enjoyed the video 👍👍
I took it out.
You need to take the Booster Plug out, as this makes the Booster Plug irrelevant entirely. You can order as many maps as you like, though, we won't stop you.
@@dnktuneworks916 what if you forget to take it out during the flash?
@@johnpoon8 then take it off after
What did the tune adjust? Did it make your bike run richer?
Adjustments to the fuel mapping to help take advantage of the mods I’ve done.
Hi Adam , you could have used a mirror in lieu of the tablet and we wouldn’t have been any wiser .....🤪 Nice video anyway 👍🏻👍🏻🍺🍺
P.s. Did you have your traction control off while riding .
That red light is the tire pressure monitor, only real issue I’ve had with the ST. The pressures are at factory specs and the sensor says otherwise. May need to have that looked at eventually.
Adam Croll : I had the same issue with my speed twin , turned out that the sensor battery was malfunctioning.
What's the red light on the dash?
Tire pressure monitor.
Hey man what type is tank pad you have there can you plz share a link ?
its a triumph part from amazon: amzn.to/2TBSQo9
Does it smooth out the throttle in the low end so it isn't choppy at low speeds in the city?
Certainly better than stock. Not perfect but very close.
Adam what do you think of the bike now after having the retune in it now for a few months. I know we are not suppose to be concerned about fuel mileage, but with the small tank I got to ask what the mpg is now on the average if you figure it. Hey the mpg may have went up even I know it did when I did the decat. Live in the desert west of Phx. and sometimes the distance on rides can be very close to running out. Do carry a little container on long trips. Was thinking of trying to get the TecBike.com camshaft for it but after watching your video(twice now) I am really thinking of doing the tune. Great videos! Thanks.
The tune in my opinion is worth doing! It’s not a huge difference but it’s noticeable and it really seems to bring an already awesome engine to the next level of smoothness and power delivery. As far as fuel mileage, I’m not much of a help really. I’ve never had a situation where I was on the verge to running out of gas. Between the before and after mods I’d say it’s not much different but for me with the mods I find I burn more gas in general because it’s so easy to push this bike to its limits in the twisties! Thus I fill the tank often lol!
@@AdamCrollThanks for the quick response. Bike before this was a Victory Cross Roads. Good bike , but started having issues and parts were getting hard to get. This is my 3rd Triumph over the years. Really enjoy the over 300-lbs less in weight. Wife no longer rides with me, so I got the bike that seemed to get my attention when it came out and went back to Triumph (again!). Seen them change dramatically from my first 1978 750 Bonneville to the new Triumph Bonneville. Would love to dyno our bikes. Just use the old butt dyno...... Would like a bigger fuel tank for it, may make one one day.
How many extra HP / torque you got ?
Did you leave the booster plug off or reconnect it?
Booster Plug is removed.
Any difference in sound Adam?
Not really, sounds the same to me.
what mode were you in when you test rode the bike after tune and was the traction control on or off ?
Sport mode, I’ve never actually turned TC off, I like having a tiny bit of assurance. If I’m not in the canyons I often keep it in Road mode though, it’s a bit more pleasant for stop and go imo.
@@AdamCroll I've noticed just the opposite. My '22 feels less snatchy in Sport mode at low speeds. I've got the USBlink MX+ arriving in a couple days. I'm anxious to unleash the bikes full potential with a custom ECU tune. The second gen. Speed Twins have 12 to1 compression ratio with forged pistons, a bigger camshaft and better flowing ports. I'm hoping for around 110hp with the mods I've made already and the new tune. The factory mufflers sound soo good with the baffles removed and a British Customs competition x-pipe in place of the cat. I always run premium non-ethanol fuel, with Stabil, and Klotz Nitro octane booster with Koolinall, added to each tank in appropriate amounts. Never once has it popped or sputtered at any throttle position since I've had it.
Why you leaning bro!!
I think it's awesome that you are tweaking your bike into what you need - but I disagree that this is how the Speed Twin should have been stock. Not all of us want to tune our bikes, thus changing them into ..... some hybrid entity. This bike is PLENTY for me at year 3 of my riding career.
But if you have an insatiable need to customize .... can you add a Motodemic headlight ;) I think they are very cool ....
Ahhhh, who doesn't like free sh*t the rest of us fops have to overpay for?!
You can put 91 octane in your eco monster 5 litre 4WD hybrid SUV but heaven forbid you put 93 in your bike! Totally logical........
That was more of a commentary on California’s outlandish regulations, not so much of the unfair treatment of my daily driver fuel choices.
Geez, explain what you’re doing as you do it rather than mumbling to yourself. Also, jump cut the out of focus upload screen…we’ve all seen loading bars before. 👎
🤡
Dude you lost me!!
I couldn't see anything on that screen that you kept tapping and your voice was so low! After 7mins of confusion I clicked out! Sorry, and I'm in the market for a Triumph bike!!
Sorry, but not being able to see what you are attempting is utterly useless. I am off to another channel.