G2 sweeps Rogue in LEC final / 12-0 lower bracket run - Summoning Insight S5E10 (feat. Dylan Falco)
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Join MonteCristo and Thorin with guest Dylan Falco, head coach of G2, as they discuss G2's victory over Rogue in the LEC finals, G2's 12-0 lower bracket run, how this iteration of G2's roster was formed, the strength of the field at MSI, updates on the LCS playoffs, and more.
This episode was filmed on April 11th, 2022.
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0:00:00 - Team Liquid vs 100 Thieves preview
0:08:19 - Cloud9 vs Golden Guardians
0:19:01 - Evil Geniuses vs FlyQuest + thoughts on Team Liquid
0:30:43 - Champions Queue and other problems in NA
0:55:22 - Dylan Falco intro + G2 vs Rogue series
1:20:45 - Side selection in the meta
1:29:02 - G2's offseason moves
1:40:16 - Upset and Fnatic fans
1:50:54 - caPs and the mid meta
2:04:56 - First Strike junglers and Dylan's coaching staff
2:14:38 - Double elimination brackets in LoL esports
2:33:19 - Expectations for MSI
2:45:42 - Viewer Questions + reaction to Joe Marsh's take on relegation
2:57:00 - All chat in pro games
2:59:30 - Cringey catch phrases
3:02:17 - Anime questions
3:10:30 - Time travel LAN + Are new champions good for LoL esports?
3:14:36 - Worst esports logos
3:15:58 - Thoughts on the Bloop drama
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Great episode! Really nice insight from Dylan who didn't have to hide information since the split is over so a lot of behind the scene stuff that is usually not talked about and not just some fluff answers that other coaches/players give while they are still playing during the season.
Dylan is such a good guest. Love getting insights like at 1:17:33. Jankos really is the GOAT
Dylan Falco seems like a smart and very good person
The razor cake just made my day
First 30min about LCS 😐 then the banger starts
Lol. G2 is gonna get gapped by even TL if they go so pipe it down bud.
@@tommy2364 in a world where G2 players have no hands, play on 200 ping and it might take TL 50min to beat them
It's good, ez money via esportsbet
I really really want you guys to get fredy122 (or even SeeEl) on the show to talk about the Rogue side of their inferior drafts this final and the choking narrative
Unfortunately he doesn't do interviews
@@W0Rd0n32sTre3T yes that's true bit i'd be happy with SeeEl aswell
@@W0Rd0n32sTre3T Any idea why?
I don’t even think Rogue choke now, they are just bad. I think rogue before just tried to play perfectly and there’s strengths and negatives with that so if you get caught out, there’s a huge mental disadvantage, to anyone who tries to be perfect at least, but now they can’t even do that, malrang got gapped with inspired-esque counter jungles and it was over.
@@dragonplayz6606 it’s hard cuz game 3 is for sure a choke because they should won easily and even g2 staff agree
Dylan Falco, NA’s best import to EU
Prolly, Dylan, Drakos. There's been a few
Thanks for posting now as oppossed to a couple hours later, much better for Australia time zone
Is Monte eating yet another cupcake with razers in it?
KT speciality
Glad to see Monte shout out Monster, I adore pretty much all of Naoki Urasawa's works, and while Monster is an absolute 10/10 anime for me, more modern anime viewers probably will be a bit bored on the pacing of the animation especially since it's older. If you don't watch Monster, you should definitely read it, it's the best way to enjoy his story and art. That and 20/21st Century Boys for sure, if not his entire catalogue.
For me Monster was more frustrating. Not only are there episodes where nothing happens except that the already established character traits are beaten over your head repeatedly. But the MC was just irritating to watch.
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His repeated inaction and inability of taking action. From the point onwards where he first had the ability to end it all he becomes pretty much directly responsible for everything that happens afterwards. Yet he cannot do it again and again. But he got to preserve is precious morals at the cost of everyone else. Not to mention the ending is plain stupid where they leave the guy completely unguarded in a regular hospital so he just leaves.
Monster was okay. I liked it well enough but I too found the ending a little unsatisfying and the pace a little slow. I guess the villain was too empty and enigmatic for my taste. It left too much to the imagination for me.
I said the same thing live in twitch chat lol. I loved monster, but nobody i know has seen it.
Great episode, really enjoyed Dylan Falco.
They definitely didn’t watched the podcast, Doublelift did talked about LS coaching situation.
I haven’t either what did he say about it. From what I got c9 basically said ls isn’t a normal coach so they just fired him
great episode
so much to unpack
Absolute banger of an episode.
I wish worlds had like one big group where everyone plays each other once, then they use this ranking to seed everyone (or just top 8) into a double elimination bracket. I don't know if this would be significantly more expensive to run but I think it would be a lot more interesting to watch than the current format (you see every team play each other) and then the playoffs would be wild!
It's 120 games vs 48. I'd assume you'd be increasingly more likely to see 4 KR and 4 CN playoff brackets. Maybe 2 teams sneak in that aren't from those regions
There's also the issue of who wants to watch pain gaming vs damwon, followed by TOP vs peace eSports, even FNC vs DFM wouldn't be an amazing match to watch.
This would be fine if regions sent only 2 teams. And the minor regions got 1. A round robin would be fun, with a competition based win rate scoring method to seed them. Similar to MTG Swiss format.
Riot said shit last year aboutthe tournament being a lame duck... THEY BETTER MAKE FORMAT CHANGES THIS YEAR!
Double elimination in LoL sucks, make no mistake about it.
Being a first seed is worthless.
Thorin's rant about player privilege on the way to the professional scene was fire
That Mass effect explanation was so on point also another banger episode
hes absolutely right...FNC fans are really without words concerning their own team. YOu cant even compare that remotely with G2 fans. When G2 was failing last year...it was the FNC FANS that actually insulted caps and jankos and Rekkles. While the G2 fans were just trying to take pressure of their team. It feels like FNC fans are the exact opposite of this. Its like fans from a german football team...and Manchester united. (FNC obviously being Manchaster united....)
I do agree FNC fans will do everything to make G2 look like bad team even if they win
@@alexandernaydenov7539 "even if they win" so true haha after g2 beat them all 3-0 they came out to say that it wasn't meritorious because they don't "know what happened" to upset and hily, the same with Rogue xD
It would be amazing if at Worlds this year we have KR and CN players with more Champions Queue games than most NA pros
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Didnt play the game for years but still watches g2 games. No one else really. So I understand people who just tune in for their team.
The thumbnail for this video might be Monte's greatest picture.
Incredible transition out of an opening sponsorship damn
Hearing that Monte liked Monster was nice :)
I'm impressed you talked about C9 vs GG for ten minutes. We learned nothing from this series because of how bad GG played.
Thorins comment about the whole "working smarter not harder" thing is fucking brilliant and so true. That clip should be played to every team at their house before they step into their team meetings and scrims.
i feel bad for people who still think monte & thorin have good takes ever.
@@sonnyankau9239 it's this weird cult following thing they have goin on - similar to C9 no matter how much shit that org does or is.
Loved the Agatha Christie plug. She truly mastered her craft. I've been reading Hercule Poirot since I was in middle school.
2:14:55 Another thing that everyone severely underestimates is the availability of high-quality vods. I got into LEC by scanning game summaries for interesting picks. I used to be a TSM (more of a Bjerg) fanboy early on, but when I scanned places for off meta picks I found og UoL. They'd always be playing something fun or creative - all of a sudden I wasn't even scanning the vods, I was just watching the replays. I became a fan. Then that team became meta hogs and G2 appeared with Caps/Perkz and they were by far the funnest team I have ever watched play. Now I exclusively watch LEC, usually tuning in to entire games but mostly rewatching the stream after it's done (able to skip low points, pauses, commentary, or games I don't want to watch). That is super unique to e-sports.
And I would absolutely LOVE a different worlds system. I would rewatch a series in a lower bracket if I missed it and it was epic. I even went back and watched the bo5 between G2 and SKT. Like... for me, I watch NHL and basketball (mostly NHL) and not a lot comes close to a NHL playoff game. But the swings and ups and downs of a 5 hour, bo5 that comes down to a team fight at 45 minutes - it' doesn't get much more edge of your seat.
Dylan is just a good bean. I want to get him a mug of home-made soup and a blanket and tell him to get some rest
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That Froskurinn joke was fucking fire xD
2:52:50 slightly awkward reference point. Leeds chilling back in Premier league now after a long time in the wilderness.
Sunderland a good example though. Bit closer to home maybe for Thorin!
Yeah Sunderland are a current example where as Leeds are back.
Idk if players realize that this will affect them, the sooner fans loose faith in their teams and feel like the teams are not putting in the work , the sooner viewership dies and the less viable it becomes to support the region. Their salaries get hit , their careers cut short.
If there's anything that can be considered "Straw that broke the camel's back" it's the "attitude", your region can be shit , your training environment can be shit , you can have ego and poor international performance.
But if you don't bother to even show the ATTITUDE , even as a fake front. Then there's no anchor by which fans can justify your actions and defend you.
I remember when double-lift said that regular split doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, his attitude stinked, same goes whenever all pro's wanted to stop playing games.
Why would you help someone who doesn't show the determined attitude. If you don't even have the fighting attitude, what do you have?
At this point, it's an ego issue that most high elo players won't succumb to, even though the fans and critics are screaming this at the top of the mountain. It doesn't matter what Riot does at this point, NA players don't have anymore excuses
@@nicholasjames8086 As I said I don't expect players NOT to have an ego. If you're better than 99.9% you better have an ego.
It's when you have an ego and nothing to show for it compared to other players and regions.
I have to admit, after the reverse sweep, I had plenty of this razorcake.
I really liked work of Dylan with Fnatic. Good decision by G2.
Since Monte mentioned that the TL Logo has nothing to do with "Liquid", here's my take:
The Horse represents Poseidon, Greek God of the Seas (commonly associated with Horses) which vaguely connects to "Liquid" I guess... But yeah not the most obvious connection (I personally like it but that's subjective)
for me monty had a point started to watch ogn/lck in spring 2012 and i really liked monty and doa as casters i watch all the matches of lck to 2016-2017 rise and falls players and teams exacting bo5
Is champions queue not just the precursor to splitting NA into west and east coast servers? I feel like that’s where this is leading.
The more people they allow into champions queue the more it will basically just become a west coast server. And then at that point there will be less people in regular solo queue and they might as well just dissolve champions queue in exchange for a west coast server that way they still have the low ping, and then let the “old” server just be the east coast server since it’s hosted in Chicago.
Isnt team liquid's logo in reference to greek mythology? Horses were supposedly made out of water by Poseidon.
I know Monte is joking at 51:10 but kr stream used to be 480p for years and many people didn't watch it for that reason.
3:09:53 Excuse me sir, Deathnote was over in 27 episodes, the rest after THAT was a very very drawn out epilogue.
The thing that bothers me about Upset is that he seems to care alot about how he looks. You will very rarily see him take damage / die in order to get the maximum damage out, which is a very important skill to have in order to be a S+ Tier ADC. With that in mind, it is no surprise that he had the least deaths of any LEC player ever in the regular season. In their wins, he is very good to be played through, but in their losses you will very often see him go 2/0/4 or something like that. If you want the quintessence of that, watch his playoffs games on poke Xayah. He did alot of damage, but most often it was insignificant poke.
Which is ironic, because that's exactly what the fans (and himself) always portrayed Rekkles to be (which I didn't agree with).
yho thorin Leeds United actually back in the prem. But yes i think the ammount of clubs that go down from the prem that go bankrupt is very high. But the teams that do go up come with fans and history too
haha that razor cake bit
Ive always stated NA ping is an excuse not to have to adress the things they can actually affect themselves. That being said damnit Thorin giving some MF's 3rd degree burns here, harsh but all too damn true though.
Edit: NA's finest mentality is imported and while Core truly tries its a sad state where one player is tryharding for a whole region.
Poor senna catching strays.. I’m pretty sure the reason senna tk stopped getting picked globally is that it was disabled because of a glitch that just got fixed (where senna w would make everyone totally invisible if she got eaten while casting it). So senna tk might be viable who really knows.
Shes definitely viable and versatile too
Thorin is such an Upset fanboy
LEC playoffs were so exciting and wild that watching LCS after feels like going to a little league game after watching the world series. If VIT or XL were in NA, they would probably be in the finals vs TL. As an NA player/fan it's sad to see how boring and shit the LCS has become, i mostly just watch LEC now cause it's a way more enjoyable experience. You got funnier content, casters and players on top of better production, less ads and sponsored in game moments (STATEFARM NEIgHBOURHOOD WATCH). I think the LCS needs some spring cleaning honestly at this point, even with all their efforts this split (it's better sure) the broadcast still feels so stale and boring. Also the broadcast team is like 30+ years on average, so maybe they could bring in some kind of new and young talent to breathe a breath of fresh air to the scene?
I wouldn't watch either LEC looks awful as well. LCK or LPL. LEC just figured out that ahri was an S tier mid pick this late into playoffs. They are giga doomed for MSI considering Rogue could throw a 3.5k gold lead in 10mins.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg I mean sure obviously LCK and LPL are the best leagues but as a western fan, it's kinda hard waking up in the middle of the night for LCK/LPL. I'm also more interested in western teams and players in general so I'd rather watch LEC/LCS personally. The west knew Ahri was strong and tried it out, but it only really looks S tier when caps rookie and faker play it lol.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg if you think LEC production is awful youre ill
@@rowan2828 No you can see match history and picks by patch to see lcs and LEC ignored ahri. It wasn't until they dropped their mediocre orianna and yasuo pick that LEC drafted ahri.
@@aspiwri664 I didnt talk about production you on something?
We have to go Vayne Dylan
Senna with Kraken/Guinsoos as ADC or Locket as support is actually busted though
3:02:17 Critique on anime tropes
I’m just skipping the LCS segments at this point.
Thorin calling out David Suchet just gives me good vibes
Finally
2:22:00 I typically struggle to watch even most of the round robbin matches, and if I miss something it's not a big deal, but if I miss just one match in a tournament it feels liek the whole purpose of watching is anything in taht bracket is gone. Like for worlds this year, I only watched the DK side of the tournament, and the MAD lions and some rogue games in groups. No play-ins. Basically, low priority on round robbin even for teams I support, high priority on tournaments even for teams I don't care alot about, on top of taht, tournaments make me care about mroe teams because I feel like I have to watch them. I think more tournament style international comtetition in league would be great.
Re: Monte, I absolutely stopped watching Korean broadcasts when you left.
I'm so happy thorin brought up agatha christie at around 3:03:00 that's what i love about her books as well. If you're clever and follow along well you can predict who the killer is and with what reasons a few pages (say 30) before the detective of the book does the reveal. Sadly she doesn't do it in each of her books and other detective novels are ruined now for me. But still agatha christie is pretty great!
Russell Wilson used to always say “Go Hawks” instead of “Let’s ride” when he was on the Seahawks, it just wasn’t cringe on the Seahawks cuz it doesn’t sound terrible 😂😂
Monster is a fucking great anime
David Suchet is mad mega
I love these two fellas. I want deserve all the skrilla 🤑 but I really don't like betting
No LPL at MSI would be rough... Riot will do their absolute best to push the narrative that ''MSI still matters'', but it won't. Without LPL there's no point to have MSI.
Am I missing something?
@@maxedoutbeing3239 it's towards the later half of the episode. LPL might not attend MSI because Asia Games are more important and their entire schedule will shift
@@qontroL that literally makes no sense. Can u explain it in shorter terms
@@maxedoutbeing3239 MSI is in Korea. Chinese players that go to Korea have to quarantine for 4 weeks I think to go back to China. LPL season starts earlier and is condensed into like 4 weeks because Asia Games are (basically olympics of esports) happening. Which means the team that goes to MSI will miss the entirety of the summer split because they'll be in quarantine for almost the entire split, which doesn't help their odds to qualifying for Worlds a whole lot. So it's very likely that the #1 seed from LPL (or any LPL team) will choose not to go to MSI.
@@qontroL thanks. I hope it won't turn out as you mentioned
Betting companies don't create their own odds. They just use odds provided by the betting exchange markets and give worse odds so that they siphon off a margin. So basically they let the 'market' decide the price because the prices on betting exchanges are created through balancing the supply and demand for a bet.
one piece takes 1000 episodes to build a giant world with a lot of detail, it's fucking amazing mate (the manga I mean, fuck the anime)
dont forget forget the dubble shen
I mean it's just a mentality gap. I can bitch because I actually put in 11-14 hour workdays for my job. I get mad triggered when you are making hand over fist cash to be the best to just coast. Instead, the mentality of most NA players is "this is a 9-5 job" with INSANE time off. If you miss playoffs and worlds THAT IS A TON OF TIME OFF. So what's the issue playing 12-14 hours during the season? What's the issue with playing every day on Champion's queue if you are TSM or CLG or the other bottom teams knocked out of the playoffs? Kids in Korea/China can make challenger doing school and playing amateur. Meanwhile, our pros can barely play 3 solo queue games after scrims. The reason NA was good in the early seasons WAS BECAUSE the pros loved to play the game. Idk I'm tired of the same excuses year after year with zero change and when Riot gives the pros what they want they STILL don't take advantage of it. So just remove the import rule and just import all the talent; maybe then it would put a fire on most of these players' asses.
Men of culture! Monster is so good. Still remember the scene about taste of sugar, also Agatha Christie even thorin naming David Suchet as best Poirot. Man that's some good stuff. But my guilty pleasure is One Piece. I think it's for kids mostly, but there are some deep themes and it's not throwaway action like many animes. Although the artstyle is very goofy it's got some deep philosophical takes for sure.
Not a word on targamas participation to the team :(
I don't know how much Attack on Titan you've watched Monty, but Attack on Titan is very good and not just some Childish anime. It subverts those Tropes as well as those others you mentioned
Badically the people saying they used to hate Thorin before but now they love him were TSM fans and then they grew up
Its so funny to see dylan quietly in his chair while Thorin is screaming and ranting about fnc fans and stuff xDDD
So glad they called out Joe Marsh
Leeds is back!!
Something not being made for you or targeted towards a certain audience doesn’t make it bad. Something can be good and not your cup of tea.
3:04:00 only agatha christie i ever read the killer was someone that "off-screen" convinced the doctor to say that he was dead and killed everyone. never tried anyother because was the stupidiest mistery book i ever read.
Calling Leeds "nobodies" after they just finished in the top half of the prem last season is a bit ignorant tbf and not even a leeds fan
Someone singe maggi felix he is so good like litteraly the only reason he isn't in lec anymore is because he had to play on astralis.
3:12:00 i started watching league in late summer 2020 (shortly before worlds) and i have never played it before and never played it since. And sure i watched a lot, but at this point i have a better understanding than most of my friends who do play league. Imo when you start watching you have absolutely 0 clue whats going on, but a few months in you already understand a lot. While when i watch csgo i cant follow the action at all since i just dont know the maps. I somewhat can see what the guns do, but its basically impossible to know whats waiting for me behind the next corner. In league i see what most abilities do and if i really want to know i can just look it up. And sure idk what the stats of items are or every passive ability of items, but its just not relevant. I know shieldbow gives a shield and damage and is a mythic and thats enough to know. League is more complicated the more you know than cs, but atleast in my opinnion its not as hard to follow since you dont get confused by camera swapa and peeks etc
I go by Monte's old saying for NA. Just don't tell me your goal is winning worlds and expect me to believe it.
lmfao how NA is only a prop for advertising crypto betting, it really is fitting
I don’t think a bracket recent is a good idea but I feel like you can do a Bo7 with giving the team coming from upper bracket an extra win. It’s a slight advantage and at most takes one extra game
The whole Leeds United point is kind of invalidated by the fact that Leeds are back in the Premier League... Kind of shit, but they're back and that's a cool storyline.
While it is nice they are back, they are nowhere close to the levels they were back in the day. If there was a "Top 6" back in the day, they'd be in it in terms of club popularity & significance. Massive club through the 60-mid 70s and still very competitive in the 90s. Even into the early 2000s, they were Champions League worthy (even made a semi in 2001) yet relegated by 2004 and took 16 years just to make it back to the EPL mid table.
It's never a guarantee that a team/org can build back up after crashing down through so much mismanagement. Far more failures than there are successes. So a TSM-Leeds comparison on how bad things can get through serial mismanagement isn't too farfetched.
It's too bad they had to explain that it was a "razor cake" lmao.
PLAY ANIVIA CAPS!! A love letter to great EU mids like froggen and take down T1.
Thank God for Thorins rant America is doomed directly because of this mentality lol.
upper grand final should start 1-0 up in the last Bo5 and actually have time between lower bracket final and grand final
For the last three times, I have seen Thorin make predictions and evaluation of different situations. Soo far he has been always partially or completely wrong.
After watching G2 coms from semi/finals I think he should be valued higher. What a Player.
Peak razor cake joke
Idk why Thorin is trying to make FNATIC only being able to play through bot as a strength to Upset. Sounds like a weakness to me, if he can’t really play weak side because he’s a resource heavy laner, doesn’t that make counter play against him easier?
Also you can’t say “I’m too good to have won the league” and then not even make it to the final. It sounds wild and egotistical and obviously gonna put a target on you
Tbh all LEC teams play through bot for the most part because they don't have good top laners in the league. It's pretty much sack top and play for bot.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg G2 didn't though
@@oludipebolusere6085 Broken brain on a tank says a lot. They got all the drakes for a reason.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg But he didn't play a tank every series. And not for most of the regular season either. I think they were just looking to enable caps with the tank picks
Modern tragedy that riot doesnt care about making the best product. It seems as though their company philosophy is just "good enough, as long as the fans eat it up like the little pigs they are who cares if it could be better"
hahahah Ender wearing Frosk's shit
It’s doesn’t make sense if montes premise about Koreans success in siege = work ethic bc in the same breath you can say tyloo or any of the Korean teams absolutely blows ass in csgo
Some really strange takes from the audience question section. It was like Monty was playing with his kids while he listened to double lifts podcast. Aka not at all lol arguing against points that weren't even made. Especially strange since if the roles were reversed you'd be complaining about how ppl were dumb and don't understand the nuance of your statements lol
Honestly if you watch that whole doublelift podcast and think T1's money is the main reason for their lol success when it makes zero sense compare to Chinese teams, which nearly bought out faker - AND Joe Marsh just happens to do have completely different approach to his players doesn't make much sense to me personally
Evangelion❤
Crazy how no one gives a flying f about NA internationally, so sad :(
I member back in the day when there was hope, like maybe we beat EU or KR if we cheese it out or whatever. Now it's like we know we are so bad we don't even bother lol
Yooooooooo leave Bo alone :(
lmao. razor bit.
It takes the same amount of TSM fans to realise something obvious as it takes potatoes to start a jet plane.