As someone who only started to watch Destiny because he was the only one actually NOT doing bad faith arguments, its actually super good hearing someone label him "bad faith" because I can instantly tell who actually wants to have a conversation and who only wants to virtue signal. Also blaming him to engage in bad faith and in the next sentence describing his saxophone playing as "blowing in a tube". Lmao what a self report
Doublelift being unable to accept the reality that he's not a hot commodity anymore has brought some of the funiest and stupidest high-school level drama in the past few years
It is going to be so hilarious when he comes back to the league to retire the next year when his new team also doesn't want to deal with him and he has another high quality retirement video made.
@@darksplash2191 from what I have seen on the costreams, he originally was defending Busio for the Azir pick and as they went on he has gotten more critical of things such as that even going as far sometimes to say that he feels like he is Busio's coach. I don't think its drama/bad blood, but I do think it made a working relationship difficult whereas Massu seems to fit with Busio much better ie willing to try things and improve together rather than only focusing on the support
@@nicklasr7069I agree. I will forever appreciate what DL has meant to the scene here but anyone that believes he isn't genuinely dumb is fooling themselves. How many examples of him being completely unable to critically think do we need?
Difficult times for me right now so I just wanted to thank you guys for doing these podcasts. It is something I can tune in to and disconect for a bit. Great content as always. Keep it up.
Same here for me. I am financially in a really bad place and just lost more than 2 thousand dollars worth of things + all of my childhood photos while moving. 4 month ago I dislocated my ellbow and now I have a permanent damage and cant straighten my main arm. (maybe in like 1 year or something not sure yet, just hope it wont be for the rest of my life) That said we cant forget that we dont live in north korea or some shit and we gotta be thankful for what we have. Chin up buddy :)
Still not a reason to say someone married a teenager when he dated a 21 year old woman, that's pretty cringe, learn to criticise your favourite content creators when they talk shit about stuff they haven't checked my dude.
Yeah that segment was kind of disappointing. As someone who watches Destiny, I think they're actually right about some things like how his style is by definition going to include being bad faith at times, since he gets into heated arguments, and Destiny himself admits that he won't back down and will only reflect on things after the fact, however I think some of what they said is outdated (he used to be much worse about it, so that's probably what they remember) and also the fact that they said he bullies people by being very woke is definitely not the case. Oh well, I think they could actually have some interesting civil conversations with him if they wanted to, but also I feel like they're all opinionated people where one thing could set off an argument and make them hate each other more haha, so I don't see things changing
If anyone actually watches Destiny, you know that everything they said about him now is just wrong, and if they did follow his arc, he talks about his prior self (when they knew him) and explains, why and how he changed, and what he hasn't. You would also know that he hates the left as much as the right, they seem 5 years behind the times. The comparison with Slasher tops it off as Destiny called Slasher and the whole fucking internet out (left and right) on r/wallstreetbets stuff 2 years ago , on his own before GameStop crashed and wrote a manifesto on the whole fucking thing before everyone else. You don't ike him, we get it, he absolutely can be a horrible bully to people, but just say you don't know wtf you're talking about anymore as I haven't talked to him for 10+ years rather than inject your own intuitions and biases on someone who absolutely can seem and is sometimes pretty unempathetic and hard to understand.
@@wwjccsd if you actually read what I said, I say he can still be an asshole. They said "bad faith" (just lol after their characterisation), insincere of his beliefs and has no morals as well as being a 'lefty' for money, when he was kicked off of twitch (losing money) because he wasn't being 'lefty'. It's just patently a ridiculous characterisation, the one thing anyone who likes or dislikes him is the opposite of all those things.
I agree with some of what you guys said about doublelift but Steve would have loved Doublelift on the team, also the amount of viewers that he brings to a team is really valuable today in LCS. 100T went from the ugly girl at school with a cool shirt to the girl next door lol
Riot aren't interested in removing whack-a-mole "problem" from League’s "balance" because it's their perpetual engine AKA justification for showing up on the campus til' they're 76
What I don’t get is why it has to be so extreme nowadays. There’s multiple champs sitting at 55% or more win rate all the time, often in multiple roles. I think it was in season 9 when they buffed AD Neeko to 58% wr accidentally. Guess what, they hotfixed it and kept nerfing it out of the game because noone wants to play vs a CC mage that auto attacks you like a 6 item Kog‘maw. 5 years later they just needed to buff AD TF to the point where he’s a viable ADC and top and they just leave it for weeks. I get that players are gonna test out an unfamiliar champ when it gets buffed and that excites them + sells skins. But do we have to have Maokai, Zac and Twisted Fate run soloq and pro for 3 months straight?
@@ParallelZuVega One possible explanation is that they don't actually know what they're doing, another is that they don't actually care what they're doing, and the third one is that they're doing something else altogether cosplaying as a gaming company It's a bit like modern schools cosplaying as needed for development or whatever while being anything else but They unironically made the game (and not just the last few years) about being a little passive-aggressive bitch, not trying to win hard enough so that you would burn out and bottling up your [often very justified] frustrations So it's not a game or a business first and foremost - it's a sandbox for 'the boys' (whatever their higher management inner circle's called) to have domain over You can see the same things in places like Soviet Union - it proclaimed to be the paradise for the working class (even though initially there wasn't much of a working class) in the making meanwhile turning the whole country into a military plant (unironically) and populace into slaves The only real difference is that Riot have to deal with competition (somewhat), that they can't force as many people to deal with them, and that they keep most of their powers in a videogame (if someone wants to draw that distinction) Other than that, it's just not what it says on the tin, it's not what they actually care about, and there are bound to be some "inefficiencies" To be fair, Riot is a gift that keeps on giving in many ways and the fact that no one has made a successful League competitor (in my opinion) should also tell us something about the world we live in Yes, Riot is a dictatorship but whenever I see a despotic regime in history or nowadays I have to start wondering how much the normies are to blame for the situation My current incling is that 'a bit more than completely' Riot may be as bad as they may be but their commercial success must mean that there are enough downers tolerating whatever bullshit that they're being fed and not withdrawing their financial support from a company that treats them worse than cattle TF not being hotfixed for 3 months is, in my opinion, a reflection of moral poverty that the humanity is living in I honestly think that we should fix the "demand" part of that problem I think that once there are enough people with a spine in the world they won't even have to fix most problems - the problems will just evaporate away
After 2.5 years my first pair of Raycons fell apart last week. Great timing on the sponsorship, just ordered my replacements! And would recommend to anyone reading, under 70 dollars and I use these things for ambient music while at work like 8 hours a day. Even the one earbud that fell apart still works after all that use and never had audio issues!
If riot were to go the limites champion route they should have do it like how MTG does with with Standard/Modern vs Commander. Have two different ladders for the limited pool and then no limits pool.
I do love how doublelift just self reports himself on everything ahaha. The fact he admitted he just wants to play for money is so criminal ngl, that combined with how lackluster his performance was last year.
Idk how anyone can feel bad for DL when he has said he had no motivation to play a whole season and refused to learn meta champs all while being the highest paid and most influential player on every team he’s played for
it is SO difficult to watch these. Every time monte is about to tell a story almost like clockwork, thorin steps in to rant about something that is not important. Bruh just let monte talk without chiming in "By the way. You (thorin) don't have to interject every 30sec
I disagree with them saying that it would be unfair to the new players if an old champ is being played and them not knowing what it does. Its like how a new champion comes out, you find out during the game. Heck I would say more than half the time people have no idea what these new champs do even after watching the damn video..they have complicated the new champs. The old champs are simple and easy to understand
Everyone is on the same playing field with a new champ and have the same amount of time to master them. A veteran player can pull out an old champ they used to one trick 6+ years ago and gap a new player who has never played against this dated style of champion. I don't necessarily think this is unfair, as that veteran is using his experience as his advantage, but I do see the point they are making.
Saying Zwyroo played good in that Neeko game overall is crazy to me. He made at least 3 game losing plays but got carried to the win. If nameplates were off i wouldn't have known it wasn't perkz.
perks wouldn’t have done the 2 great roams and the 2 fight winning ults… and would have done 3 game losing plays… zwyroo is doing fine for an LEC debut, he gets caught but he’s holding his lane well, he helps his team a lot, he’s not parasiting ressources, benching perks = good move
Monte is so deranged against Destiny over a twitter spat from 10 years ago lol, completely mischaracterizes/lies about him in this. Sounds like he gets all his info from random twitter clips, really showing off that high level philosophical education.
@@roachdoggjr4648 no lol, he said he wanted rioters who were burning down buildings to be gunned down. It was an extreme statement but I don't think it's fair to judge someone at their worst moment. Destiny has poured tens of thousands of his own money into canvassing operations for democrats and has done a lot of great debates debunking racism, covid conspiracies, trump election fraud nonsense, etc. Even if he can be a dick sometimes, he's not the person Monte painted him as.
Riot seriously have a problem lately with releasing champions that are just overloaded and they rework them a trillion times, can't fix them and overnerf them. See Zeri, Ksante, Yuumi now Smolder... They just don't make sense in League of Legends with all the other champs.
I think you guys are overestimating how difficult it is for new players to start playing. My wife started playing at the beginning of 2021, whereas I began in 2013, and she's had very little trouble remembering what champions do etc. She doesnt play PC games of any kind, but she loves league. If people like playing the game, they will learn it pretty easily. As far as getting new champions and skins for free, its actually the easiest its ever been. Yeah 164 champions or whatever the number sounds rough at first, but its really not unless you sit down and just start trying to memorize it all without ever playing. My wife is nailing it and she doesnt watch guides or anything, I help her and thats about it. My wife also loves watching the pro scenes too.
Guys, does anyone else remember DLs interview while on 100 thieves where he openly admitted not knowing what to do macro wise or something along those lines?? I think DL either got hard carried by his supports or got lucky everyone else in the league was just worse than him. Crazy how a professional player doesnt know what to do macro wise.
When I think EU is good, Monti tells me we are trash, and we are. When i think EU is trash, Monti tells me we got a top 8 team... should I trust Monti ? :D
as far as the One tricks crying about their champ being locked for 2/3rds of the year, I honestly think the mass majority of people who are one tricks, (myself included) will more than likely just find 2 other champs to one trick during those other parts of the year. I think the feverish ones who will refuse to play the game if they cant play their one champion are much much fewer. i think the majority of people would just pick up 2 new champs and call it a day. "I one trick tryndamere in the spring, I one trick singed in the summer, and I one trick teemo in the winter :)" type vibes. That would be my expectation at least.
@@ShoorfLonelyLokly agreed. I’m sort of a soft one trick where I just one trick a champ for a few months or sometimes a whole season, but then I switch it up and one trick something else that I really enjoy. I don’t know how people literally play a single champ for years and never play anything else. Like the guys you see with 5mil+ mastery. That’s crazy. There’s just too many fun champions in this game to only play one. If you only like one champ and none of the other 150+ you probably just don’t like the game very much let’s be honest lmao
You and like 50-75% of the player base. Not to mention a massive lawsuit even if there is some wording in the agreement about not owning the skins etc.
Sad to see your opinions on Destiny from 10 years ago, especially since it is obvious you haven't watched any of his content minimum the last 5 years. It would be a lot more interesting to actually criticise a position he has on a topic rather than just character assassinate him based on his past and pretend he is just another lefty when his self defense arguments and edgyness to be fair got him banned from Twitch. Probably one of the few content creators that has a back bone in the political scene and just doesn't preach on a left wing or right wing audience. Also Swedish teenager when she was 21 jesus.
I don’t think MSI will be in Riyadh, I just think EWC will be a new permanent extra tournament on the LoL esports calendar, Esports World Cup is a way bigger event than a “Midseason Invitational” I don’t see why they would overshadow their own event, they will make Riot do what they want, not the other way around.
I don't think it's true what Monte said about pay per view that we wouldn't be here. I think they would sell out no matter the model as soon as the big money is offered. Where there is greed there is no contentment
31:32 thorin doing the thing he hates when others do, retconning the past to suit a current talking point. Doublelift was the king of laning in the bot lane. His THING was his insane pressure he's put opposing bot laners under and squeezing advantages harder than anyone else (in NA) did at the time. That was his THING, but he also was an incredible late game teamfighter
Early in the video, but they are going on about how doublelift "doesn't realize cause and effect" and is surprised that they wouldn't want him on the team but he specifically addressed this in his clip where he went over the tweet. He's on record saying he doesn't really care about if they didn't want him on the team (he said he knew it woud be a longshot of a team idea too), it's just the TWO FACED nature of Dodo that upset him and how he believed Dodo was lying to steve/not acting in steve's intent
18:43 this is very easily checked to be wrong. I'm behind on this drama and I found this in two 5-10 min video clicks. He literally say's he understands why he'd want to go with berserker over him.... I love these 2 but this time they seemed like they were too quick to lean on their "doublelift is a bumbling dummy" narrative, which is true sometimes but can't be used to permanently disprove him for everything
The thing i really don't understand behind the design of smoulder is why do you get so heavily rewarded for stacking when no other stacking champion works like this? Nasus is linear as is veigar, imagine if nasus gained range on his autos from hitting a certain number of stacks, it would be absurd. Not to mention the reward you get is a fucking EXECUTE on a RANGED CARRY CHAMPION THAT THEN HAS SPLASH DAMAGE. Unreal how champions like these come into the game.
Nahh got Destiny wrong, someone that basically solo carried the political space to stop peoples unresearched narratives. Same with dating advice. He's a good guy at heart.
3:08:00 It seems like Monte mainly knows Destiny from 10 years ago and his more recent twitter conversations. I don't know how else he could have this position. Reminds me how your old friends you haven't seen in a long time are forever immature in our brains.
I think what makes playing for bot to counter Smolder is that theres grubs and support is allowed more gold to support the team allowing smolder to waveclear. Kill lanes would be the way to go but with other objectives there isnt enough time. There is a ridiculous power curve from 125 to 225 and he became my fastest lv7 champ. His waveclear is ridiculous he is a ad that can be let alone to stack. Q W R can all be used to be safe. He plays like an extreme ability caster with no use for aa besides fleet speed boosts. I do like playing him but rito loving the power dragon fantasy. 😂 Crit ads in theory should outscale due to the builds of smolder, and the inherent stacking of cdr. I do think at the moment samira is the only typical adc that just outright beats him within a kill lane.
Monte Thinking Kiin Is actually not just a mega liability to this team with the amount of botched Counter-picks he's had even VS lesser top laner's is actually insane. Like Don't get me wrong Kiin is a good player but how is he just immune to Criticism for absolutly running it down while getting team resources and throwing them away. If anything this shows the Value of the rest of the team of GenG in SPITE of how Bad Kiin has actually been this split.
kameto was out of line, but you’re missing the thing that made Karmine. Karmine is a UFO in esports. it is a team that came from the poor Parisian suburbs and can say feck you to an investor and not go in LEC yet coz it would lose control. it is a team that can once in a while take a decision for the fans rather than for results. And say it loud and proud. I hate the toxicity of some, i’m out of sync with the generation, but you have to give it to them, KC is alive, and giving a proper chance to the players that carried them in ERL for years is classy… And if you’re not the best being classy is the second best thing. that’s why they fill stadiums with showmatches during esport winter, and are building their very own all the other teams are PR boring BS, except g2 but its easy for g2 they win everything here
I feel like the MilkyWay to Faker comparison is a hard stretch. The era that faker played in is so different in terms of skill discrepancy than current day. He is more similar to players like Bo, Showmaker, Prince, Canyon, Chovy. There’s a lot more recent examples of Stars from the start. Or at least extreme upside players IMO
I believe doublelift 100% about dodo, dodo is an incredibly suspicious individual. I didn't like him from the very beginning. I do think jojo used doublelift because jojo is a veey selfiah self centered person.
Doesn’t take a genius to realize how badly Dodo has fucked TL since 2018 with terrible roster decisions. He’s actually just scamming Steve and Steve is too stupid to realize
Rotating sets of champions while appreciate as an abstract concept, would instantly kill the game. Even if you limited the sets to ranked or something, itd be horrible for everyone. This idea is only really cool if you almost exclusively watch and view the game.
I usually agree with you guys but the doublelift section was very misinformed. He said multiple times hes 30 and not the best adc, he said he knows dodo doesnt like him because he didnt try hard in spring and his actions have consequences. The drama was the fact steve "allegedly" wanted doublelift and jojo. But dodo blocked it and ended up getting neither because dodo wanted to get his friends onto the roster. The real issue the disconnect between the owner and manager. If dodo isnt acting in steves best interest then hes not doing his job. There is a chance steve and dodo were on the same page which is why dodo isnt fired. But the drama isnt about doublelift thinking hes amazing.
In the end, DL won since he makes way more money streaming meanwhile TL is a dumpster fire and didn’t win anything since he left and they definitely won’t be winning anything anytime soon since they have Yeon and APA
My dream next year roster. 369 Milkeyway Yagao Ruler Life Keep Milkeyway as the main carry, give him the best supportive mid in the lpl aince doinb retired, the best stable hard carry adc, keep that support jungle synergy and a god tank top to play for him. Team wins everything
Im just human and id rather part of esports be owned by saudis then pay to watch. Whats more if saudi bought a team and paid a lot to make actually decent lec team id love it
Oh what a shock! Boorin' Thooorin has to rant on about Doublelift and Leena, and of course find some excuse to attack America in the process. Of course even to do that he has to reference an American comedian's bit! I guess he ran out of LoTR and D&D analogies this month? And talk about hypocrisy, he claims DL is on the Co-stream endlessly reminiscing about the old days--ImaQTpie, Scarra etc.--when that's actually Thoorin's gig! How many YEARS did Thoorin talk about his hero Froggen after that guy had been fossilized? How many thousands of references to Rekless has he made? How many times has he referenced his own "good ol' days" on some cast that so pixelated now you can barely make out his goofy face?
I am almost certain Steve sent doublelift a message saying are you potentially interested in joining TL? And he somehow interpreted that as some kinda firm offer done deal when Steve just wanted to keep the option. It’s like calling the lakers ask hey do you want to trade Lebron? Knowing you would give up too much for him but hey why no have the option?
Modern art is vary miss represented. It can be a total misss aka shit but if a piece of morden art talks to you it is much more powerfull than a classic piece in my humble opinion. I also use to look down on it nut a friend got me into a museum of modern art and my opinion swapped realy fast. Big point modern art should be consumed in museums otherwise it doesnt make much sense
Doublelift is "not even close" to being near the top of the list of LCS ADC's. And yet...with a variety of random SoloQ Supports Doublelift absolutely destroyed the current TL duo of Yeon and CoreJj in something like seven straight games in SoloQ. Now SQ has little bearing whether he would perform as well in pro play, except he was clearly the best player on a bad 100T team last season including his split with a lifeless Bjergsen. And in his very first game back after a two year break, DL beat Berserker in lane, even as the rest of 100T collapsed around him. To say he's "not even close" sounds like typical Monte bitter grapes, and drooling Thooorin can simply never get enough of attacking and ridiculing DL (and Leena) now that Regi has descended to the Netherworld. His typically forced and incomprehensible analogy to Morrissey (more like 60, you ginger elf) fell as flat as usual.
Sure bro, how many more years of G2 getting thrashed at international events till you guys stop huffing copium? It’s not 2019 anymore. Wake the fuck up.
As far as I know, Steve approached doublelift about joining liquid again which would suggest that he did in fact want him. Are you guys disputing that claim based on your behind the scenes knowledge? If so, would you please make that more clear? Otherwise it just sounds bad faith.
And how do you know, from doublelift? Also, it's good business when negotiating to have options to present to potential clients even if you have no intention of signing the options you are using for leverage.
@@disturbed1734 yeah from double lift. I’m perfectly willing to accept that double lift is lying, they would just have to prove that especially since they themselves have said previously that doublelift is incapable of lying. If they’re clear or upfront about having insider knowledge that shows that doublelift is either lying or misrepresenting Steve approaching him Id be willing to believe that because thorin has great journalistic integrity and if he is reporting something it means he went through the process. But that’s not what happened here. Or at least they’re not making it clear that’s what it is. So until they do that, i believe doublelift. Also, doublelifts problem was that one there was a disconnect between Steve and dodo, and two that dodo told him one thing and said another behind his back. Doublelift said himself that he’d be cool with it if he just told him how he felt straight up. It’s completely plausible that Steve approached him to use as leverage for signing others, but it’s kind of silly to then call someone foolish for believing that a team is interested in you when the owner reaches out first.
As someone who only started to watch Destiny because he was the only one actually NOT doing bad faith arguments, its actually super good hearing someone label him "bad faith" because I can instantly tell who actually wants to have a conversation and who only wants to virtue signal.
Also blaming him to engage in bad faith and in the next sentence describing his saxophone playing as "blowing in a tube". Lmao what a self report
the second part is obviously a joke
DL is like Christian Bale in The Prestige if both twins were idiots and hated each other
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Wtf 😂😂😂
Doublelift being unable to accept the reality that he's not a hot commodity anymore has brought some of the funiest and stupidest high-school level drama in the past few years
He is reliving his high school time
Guys, i hard cringed at his video during the walkouts lmao
It is going to be so hilarious when he comes back to the league to retire the next year when his new team also doesn't want to deal with him and he has another high quality retirement video made.
@@rynejones8513 curious, do you think there was any drama between busio and dl
@@darksplash2191 from what I have seen on the costreams, he originally was defending Busio for the Azir pick and as they went on he has gotten more critical of things such as that even going as far sometimes to say that he feels like he is Busio's coach. I don't think its drama/bad blood, but I do think it made a working relationship difficult whereas Massu seems to fit with Busio much better ie willing to try things and improve together rather than only focusing on the support
If you read Dodo's apology to DL, it sounds like Jojo didn't want DL on his team and Dodo was just confirming it.
agreed 100 %, and what DL said in his first statement confirmed that and i dont think he understand it himself LUL
@@nicklasr7069I agree. I will forever appreciate what DL has meant to the scene here but anyone that believes he isn't genuinely dumb is fooling themselves. How many examples of him being completely unable to critically think do we need?
Doublelift always gotta flex his learning disability every so often
Difficult times for me right now so I just wanted to thank you guys for doing these podcasts. It is something I can tune in to and disconect for a bit. Great content as always. Keep it up.
Same here for me. I am financially in a really bad place and just lost more than 2 thousand dollars worth of things + all of my childhood photos while moving.
4 month ago I dislocated my ellbow and now I have a permanent damage and cant straighten my main arm. (maybe in like 1 year or something not sure yet, just hope it wont be for the rest of my life)
That said we cant forget that we dont live in north korea or some shit and we gotta be thankful for what we have. Chin up buddy :)
@@mysticaldevotion863 hope you guys make it through this. Stay blessed :)
"Now hes in some scandal where he married a Swedish teenager"...Yeah, Destiny is the bad faith one lmfao.
Ah yes, I forgot. Summoning Insight was a live debate channel, and they were debating Destiny in this episode. Not quite the same thing.
Still not a reason to say someone married a teenager when he dated a 21 year old woman, that's pretty cringe, learn to criticise your favourite content creators when they talk shit about stuff they haven't checked my dude.
Yeah that segment was kind of disappointing. As someone who watches Destiny, I think they're actually right about some things like how his style is by definition going to include being bad faith at times, since he gets into heated arguments, and Destiny himself admits that he won't back down and will only reflect on things after the fact, however I think some of what they said is outdated (he used to be much worse about it, so that's probably what they remember) and also the fact that they said he bullies people by being very woke is definitely not the case.
Oh well, I think they could actually have some interesting civil conversations with him if they wanted to, but also I feel like they're all opinionated people where one thing could set off an argument and make them hate each other more haha, so I don't see things changing
Just need to pray that we get Milkyway at Worlds this year 🙏
if hes still playing well when worlds comes around I dont mind
Careful blud we are only a few weeks into spring. Chill ur cheeks bruv
Doyblift they just aren’t that into you
Omg the destiny trauma response. At least we know who hurt you.
If anyone actually watches Destiny, you know that everything they said about him now is just wrong, and if they did follow his arc, he talks about his prior self (when they knew him) and explains, why and how he changed, and what he hasn't. You would also know that he hates the left as much as the right, they seem 5 years behind the times.
The comparison with Slasher tops it off as Destiny called Slasher and the whole fucking internet out (left and right) on r/wallstreetbets stuff 2 years ago , on his own before GameStop crashed and wrote a manifesto on the whole fucking thing before everyone else.
You don't ike him, we get it, he absolutely can be a horrible bully to people, but just say you don't know wtf you're talking about anymore as I haven't talked to him for 10+ years rather than inject your own intuitions and biases on someone who absolutely can seem and is sometimes pretty unempathetic and hard to understand.
Ah yes destiny being a total insufferable idoitic ahole for over a decade but then turns it around for a few years? I don't buy it.
@@wwjccsd if you actually read what I said, I say he can still be an asshole. They said "bad faith" (just lol after their characterisation), insincere of his beliefs and has no morals as well as being a 'lefty' for money, when he was kicked off of twitch (losing money) because he wasn't being 'lefty'.
It's just patently a ridiculous characterisation, the one thing anyone who likes or dislikes him is the opposite of all those things.
I agree with some of what you guys said about doublelift but Steve would have loved Doublelift on the team, also the amount of viewers that he brings to a team is really valuable today in LCS. 100T went from the ugly girl at school with a cool shirt to the girl next door lol
Riot aren't interested in removing whack-a-mole "problem" from League’s "balance" because it's their perpetual engine AKA justification for showing up on the campus til' they're 76
What I don’t get is why it has to be so extreme nowadays. There’s multiple champs sitting at 55% or more win rate all the time, often in multiple roles.
I think it was in season 9 when they buffed AD Neeko to 58% wr accidentally. Guess what, they hotfixed it and kept nerfing it out of the game because noone wants to play vs a CC mage that auto attacks you like a 6 item Kog‘maw.
5 years later they just needed to buff AD TF to the point where he’s a viable ADC and top and they just leave it for weeks. I get that players are gonna test out an unfamiliar champ when it gets buffed and that excites them + sells skins. But do we have to have Maokai, Zac and Twisted Fate run soloq and pro for 3 months straight?
@@ParallelZuVega One possible explanation is that they don't actually know what they're doing, another is that they don't actually care what they're doing, and the third one is that they're doing something else altogether cosplaying as a gaming company
It's a bit like modern schools cosplaying as needed for development or whatever while being anything else but
They unironically made the game (and not just the last few years) about being a little passive-aggressive bitch, not trying to win hard enough so that you would burn out and bottling up your [often very justified] frustrations
So it's not a game or a business first and foremost - it's a sandbox for 'the boys' (whatever their higher management inner circle's called) to have domain over
You can see the same things in places like Soviet Union - it proclaimed to be the paradise for the working class (even though initially there wasn't much of a working class) in the making meanwhile turning the whole country into a military plant (unironically) and populace into slaves
The only real difference is that Riot have to deal with competition (somewhat), that they can't force as many people to deal with them, and that they keep most of their powers in a videogame (if someone wants to draw that distinction)
Other than that, it's just not what it says on the tin, it's not what they actually care about, and there are bound to be some "inefficiencies"
To be fair, Riot is a gift that keeps on giving in many ways and the fact that no one has made a successful League competitor (in my opinion) should also tell us something about the world we live in
Yes, Riot is a dictatorship but whenever I see a despotic regime in history or nowadays I have to start wondering how much the normies are to blame for the situation
My current incling is that 'a bit more than completely'
Riot may be as bad as they may be but their commercial success must mean that there are enough downers tolerating whatever bullshit that they're being fed and not withdrawing their financial support from a company that treats them worse than cattle
TF not being hotfixed for 3 months is, in my opinion, a reflection of moral poverty that the humanity is living in
I honestly think that we should fix the "demand" part of that problem
I think that once there are enough people with a spine in the world they won't even have to fix most problems - the problems will just evaporate away
After 2.5 years my first pair of Raycons fell apart last week. Great timing on the sponsorship, just ordered my replacements! And would recommend to anyone reading, under 70 dollars and I use these things for ambient music while at work like 8 hours a day. Even the one earbud that fell apart still works after all that use and never had audio issues!
Doublelift has always been a drama queen.
If riot were to go the limites champion route they should have do it like how MTG does with with Standard/Modern vs Commander. Have two different ladders for the limited pool and then no limits pool.
This Milkyway guy has quickly gone to one of my top 5 fav players in the world
I do love how doublelift just self reports himself on everything ahaha. The fact he admitted he just wants to play for money is so criminal ngl, that combined with how lackluster his performance was last year.
Idk how anyone can feel bad for DL when he has said he had no motivation to play a whole season and refused to learn meta champs all while being the highest paid and most influential player on every team he’s played for
it is SO difficult to watch these. Every time monte is about to tell a story almost like clockwork, thorin steps in to rant about something that is not important. Bruh just let monte talk without chiming in "By the way. You (thorin) don't have to interject every 30sec
Like 3:10:28 You just described Thorin's entire life from birth to death with that one sentence Monte!
I disagree with them saying that it would be unfair to the new players if an old champ is being played and them not knowing what it does. Its like how a new champion comes out, you find out during the game. Heck I would say more than half the time people have no idea what these new champs do even after watching the damn video..they have complicated the new champs. The old champs are simple and easy to understand
Everyone is on the same playing field with a new champ and have the same amount of time to master them. A veteran player can pull out an old champ they used to one trick 6+ years ago and gap a new player who has never played against this dated style of champion. I don't necessarily think this is unfair, as that veteran is using his experience as his advantage, but I do see the point they are making.
Saying Zwyroo played good in that Neeko game overall is crazy to me. He made at least 3 game losing plays but got carried to the win. If nameplates were off i wouldn't have known it wasn't perkz.
perks wouldn’t have done the 2 great roams and the 2 fight winning ults… and would have done 3 game losing plays… zwyroo is doing fine for an LEC debut, he gets caught but he’s holding his lane well, he helps his team a lot, he’s not parasiting ressources, benching perks = good move
Yea I was shocked too, tuned for a stream and see Neko fuck up within a few minutes.
Monte is so deranged against Destiny over a twitter spat from 10 years ago lol, completely mischaracterizes/lies about him in this. Sounds like he gets all his info from random twitter clips, really showing off that high level philosophical education.
Didn't Destiny say he wanted protestors run over by cars on stream or something? Idk anything about that guy apart from that
@@roachdoggjr4648 no lol, he said he wanted rioters who were burning down buildings to be gunned down. It was an extreme statement but I don't think it's fair to judge someone at their worst moment. Destiny has poured tens of thousands of his own money into canvassing operations for democrats and has done a lot of great debates debunking racism, covid conspiracies, trump election fraud nonsense, etc. Even if he can be a dick sometimes, he's not the person Monte painted him as.
@@roachdoggjr4648 He did.
He also said they should get sh0t because it's "gone too far"
To characterize him as a leftwinger is WILD to me
I think its also possible that TL was trying to get Berserker as well, but just didnt tell DL. Berserker didn't immediately re-sign iirc
I could see this for sure. They already have the Korean foundation for him.
Riot seriously have a problem lately with releasing champions that are just overloaded and they rework them a trillion times, can't fix them and overnerf them. See Zeri, Ksante, Yuumi now Smolder... They just don't make sense in League of Legends with all the other champs.
I agree but I don't think Yuumi is an example of an overloaded kit just insanely easy to be effective with
I think you guys are overestimating how difficult it is for new players to start playing. My wife started playing at the beginning of 2021, whereas I began in 2013, and she's had very little trouble remembering what champions do etc. She doesnt play PC games of any kind, but she loves league. If people like playing the game, they will learn it pretty easily. As far as getting new champions and skins for free, its actually the easiest its ever been. Yeah 164 champions or whatever the number sounds rough at first, but its really not unless you sit down and just start trying to memorize it all without ever playing. My wife is nailing it and she doesnt watch guides or anything, I help her and thats about it. My wife also loves watching the pro scenes too.
And half the skills are just rehashes (which is fine) which makes it easy to at least know what a champion does if you play enough games.
that mean girls comparison was insane 💀
Guys, does anyone else remember DLs interview while on 100 thieves where he openly admitted not knowing what to do macro wise or something along those lines?? I think DL either got hard carried by his supports or got lucky everyone else in the league was just worse than him. Crazy how a professional player doesnt know what to do macro wise.
i would actually check out these earpods but sadly they don't ship to my country (switzerland). anyway amazing content as always :)
Hard times create strong men meme, but each age is doublelift throughout his life and career.
Lpl has always produced top tier junglers. Tian, Ning, and JieJie in their primes were fucking beasts.
He’s smart he’s just creating a perpetual content cycle for himself.
All publicity is good publicity, Monte and Thorin are only helping him lmao
When I think EU is good, Monti tells me we are trash, and we are. When i think EU is trash, Monti tells me we got a top 8 team... should I trust Monti ? :D
I do love that after all these years we are still having fun with Doublelift.
Even though FPX lost, the first series with the milkman he was immediately the goat on nocturne it was wild
i havent been the most in touch with lcs over the years but doublelift sounds like a real POS
as far as the One tricks crying about their champ being locked for 2/3rds of the year, I honestly think the mass majority of people who are one tricks, (myself included) will more than likely just find 2 other champs to one trick during those other parts of the year. I think the feverish ones who will refuse to play the game if they cant play their one champion are much much fewer. i think the majority of people would just pick up 2 new champs and call it a day. "I one trick tryndamere in the spring, I one trick singed in the summer, and I one trick teemo in the winter :)" type vibes. That would be my expectation at least.
This is also much healthier in general, both for the game and for the player
@@ShoorfLonelyLokly agreed. I’m sort of a soft one trick where I just one trick a champ for a few months or sometimes a whole season, but then I switch it up and one trick something else that I really enjoy. I don’t know how people literally play a single champ for years and never play anything else. Like the guys you see with 5mil+ mastery. That’s crazy. There’s just too many fun champions in this game to only play one. If you only like one champ and none of the other 150+ you probably just don’t like the game very much let’s be honest lmao
If they made limited champion sets id quit the game.
You and like 50-75% of the player base. Not to mention a massive lawsuit even if there is some wording in the agreement about not owning the skins etc.
@@wwjccsdany lawsuits regarding ow to ow2 yet? Give me a break
warching this on a walk through the countryside, shout out
Sad to see your opinions on Destiny from 10 years ago, especially since it is obvious you haven't watched any of his content minimum the last 5 years. It would be a lot more interesting to actually criticise a position he has on a topic rather than just character assassinate him based on his past and pretend he is just another lefty when his self defense arguments and edgyness to be fair got him banned from Twitch. Probably one of the few content creators that has a back bone in the political scene and just doesn't preach on a left wing or right wing audience. Also Swedish teenager when she was 21 jesus.
sure let's talk about saudi arabia putting people to jail tweets meanwhile same shit happening in UK and US but we'll just not mention that
I don’t think MSI will be in Riyadh, I just think EWC will be a new permanent extra tournament on the LoL esports calendar, Esports World Cup is a way bigger event than a “Midseason Invitational” I don’t see why they would overshadow their own event, they will make Riot do what they want, not the other way around.
I don't think it's true what Monte said about pay per view that we wouldn't be here. I think they would sell out no matter the model as soon as the big money is offered. Where there is greed there is no contentment
31:32 thorin doing the thing he hates when others do, retconning the past to suit a current talking point. Doublelift was the king of laning in the bot lane. His THING was his insane pressure he's put opposing bot laners under and squeezing advantages harder than anyone else (in NA) did at the time. That was his THING, but he also was an incredible late game teamfighter
These guys talking about destiny like that LOL thank god you guys are irrelevant now and destiny is popping
Early in the video, but they are going on about how doublelift "doesn't realize cause and effect" and is surprised that they wouldn't want him on the team but he specifically addressed this in his clip where he went over the tweet. He's on record saying he doesn't really care about if they didn't want him on the team (he said he knew it woud be a longshot of a team idea too), it's just the TWO FACED nature of Dodo that upset him and how he believed Dodo was lying to steve/not acting in steve's intent
18:43 this is very easily checked to be wrong. I'm behind on this drama and I found this in two 5-10 min video clicks. He literally say's he understands why he'd want to go with berserker over him.... I love these 2 but this time they seemed like they were too quick to lean on their "doublelift is a bumbling dummy" narrative, which is true sometimes but can't be used to permanently disprove him for everything
26:03 over 7 minutes of would-be great banter... all for nothing because the premise behind it is embarrassingly misinformed...
The thing i really don't understand behind the design of smoulder is why do you get so heavily rewarded for stacking when no other stacking champion works like this? Nasus is linear as is veigar, imagine if nasus gained range on his autos from hitting a certain number of stacks, it would be absurd. Not to mention the reward you get is a fucking EXECUTE on a RANGED CARRY CHAMPION THAT THEN HAS SPLASH DAMAGE. Unreal how champions like these come into the game.
Nahh got Destiny wrong, someone that basically solo carried the political space to stop peoples unresearched narratives. Same with dating advice. He's a good guy at heart.
not putting doublelift in the go-to worlds contender team from NA is the hottest take we've ever heard on the show :^)
Listening to this as I workout. I don't have the raycons but they got me good 😂
the funniest part about LEC is the whole regions champion is literally decides by a one single players happines level T_T
3:08:00 It seems like Monte mainly knows Destiny from 10 years ago and his more recent twitter conversations. I don't know how else he could have this position.
Reminds me how your old friends you haven't seen in a long time are forever immature in our brains.
Interesting pov on Destiny. I think he changed a lot and I dont think he is super woke
I think what makes playing for bot to counter Smolder is that theres grubs and support is allowed more gold to support the team allowing smolder to waveclear. Kill lanes would be the way to go but with other objectives there isnt enough time.
There is a ridiculous power curve from 125 to 225 and he became my fastest lv7 champ. His waveclear is ridiculous he is a ad that can be let alone to stack. Q W R can all be used to be safe. He plays like an extreme ability caster with no use for aa besides fleet speed boosts.
I do like playing him but rito loving the power dragon fantasy. 😂
Crit ads in theory should outscale due to the builds of smolder, and the inherent stacking of cdr. I do think at the moment samira is the only typical adc that just outright beats him within a kill lane.
your characterization of destiny is completely off.
Ur the goat thorin but I will bet 50 dollars you can’t go a podcast without saying “the joke is” 😂😂😂
Monte Thinking Kiin Is actually not just a mega liability to this team with the amount of botched Counter-picks he's had even VS lesser top laner's is actually insane. Like Don't get me wrong Kiin is a good player but how is he just immune to Criticism for absolutly running it down while getting team resources and throwing them away. If anything this shows the Value of the rest of the team of GenG in SPITE of how Bad Kiin has actually been this split.
kameto was out of line, but you’re missing the thing that made Karmine.
Karmine is a UFO in esports. it is a team that came from the poor Parisian suburbs and can say feck you to an investor and not go in LEC yet coz it would lose control. it is a team that can once in a while take a decision for the fans rather than for results. And say it loud and proud.
I hate the toxicity of some, i’m out of sync with the generation, but you have to give it to them, KC is alive, and giving a proper chance to the players that carried them in ERL for years is classy… And if you’re not the best being classy is the second best thing. that’s why they fill stadiums with showmatches during esport winter, and are building their very own
all the other teams are PR boring BS, except g2 but its easy for g2 they win everything here
I feel like the MilkyWay to Faker comparison is a hard stretch. The era that faker played in is so different in terms of skill discrepancy than current day. He is more similar to players like Bo, Showmaker, Prince, Canyon, Chovy. There’s a lot more recent examples of Stars from the start. Or at least extreme upside players IMO
where do they talk about msi saudi arabia?
I believe doublelift 100% about dodo, dodo is an incredibly suspicious individual. I didn't like him from the very beginning. I do think jojo used doublelift because jojo is a veey selfiah self centered person.
Doesn’t take a genius to realize how badly Dodo has fucked TL since 2018 with terrible roster decisions. He’s actually just scamming Steve and Steve is too stupid to realize
Tarzan was the best player on 2018 griffin imo
Rotating sets of champions while appreciate as an abstract concept, would instantly kill the game. Even if you limited the sets to ranked or something, itd be horrible for everyone. This idea is only really cool if you almost exclusively watch and view the game.
Insider info: DoubleLift burned a lot of TL bridges
FPX is winning so much because we are in the MilkyWay Galaxy and the galaxy wills it to be so
Thank you for talking about smolder its so unfun watching thia champion.... i cant imagine what its like playing into it!!
Can we just get LNG Milkyway. Him and scout would be gorgeous to watch
19:32 sounds like he was talking about kelsey
long SI episode 😍😍
drinking game: every time thorin says " the joke is; " - 1 shot. prepare for death
I usually agree with you guys but the doublelift section was very misinformed. He said multiple times hes 30 and not the best adc, he said he knows dodo doesnt like him because he didnt try hard in spring and his actions have consequences. The drama was the fact steve "allegedly" wanted doublelift and jojo. But dodo blocked it and ended up getting neither because dodo wanted to get his friends onto the roster. The real issue the disconnect between the owner and manager. If dodo isnt acting in steves best interest then hes not doing his job. There is a chance steve and dodo were on the same page which is why dodo isnt fired. But the drama isnt about doublelift thinking hes amazing.
In the end, DL won since he makes way more money streaming meanwhile TL is a dumpster fire and didn’t win anything since he left and they definitely won’t be winning anything anytime soon since they have Yeon and APA
The funniest thing are the DL dululu fans calling for Dodo to be fired 😂
The 15 destiny fans in shambles in the comments
They should have pitched the raycon earphones to doublelift so Leena can instruct him without him having to look over to her on stream
My dream next year roster.
369
Milkeyway
Yagao
Ruler
Life
Keep Milkeyway as the main carry, give him the best supportive mid in the lpl aince doinb retired, the best stable hard carry adc, keep that support jungle synergy and a god tank top to play for him. Team wins everything
Ruler is looking a bit sus this split.
Im just human and id rather part of esports be owned by saudis then pay to watch. Whats more if saudi bought a team and paid a lot to make actually decent lec team id love it
So Milkyway basically got all of Bo's plotarmor on top of his own 😄
Fresh is always the smart choice rather than the old and used one
2:39:19 This is what you really came for.
Be honest... You guys and Dom together all had a Choke'vy "behind" party to celebrate the "behind" whoopin. Lmfao
1:48:00 i checked competitive overwatch and people are against this tournament, wtf is monte talking about? 😂
To be honest i even forgot doublelift played lcs.
He is trying to get himself relevant again-
If God can will DRX to a world championship, he can surely will fpx to msi 😂
I already own Raycon headphones so I can't activate ;_;
Thorin unleashing bangers 😂
Oh what a shock! Boorin' Thooorin has to rant on about Doublelift and Leena, and of course find some excuse to attack America in the process. Of course even to do that he has to reference an American comedian's bit! I guess he ran out of LoTR and D&D analogies this month? And talk about hypocrisy, he claims DL is on the Co-stream endlessly reminiscing about the old days--ImaQTpie, Scarra etc.--when that's actually Thoorin's gig! How many YEARS did Thoorin talk about his hero Froggen after that guy had been fossilized? How many thousands of references to Rekless has he made? How many times has he referenced his own "good ol' days" on some cast that so pixelated now you can barely make out his goofy face?
I am almost certain Steve sent doublelift a message saying are you potentially interested in joining TL? And he somehow interpreted that as some kinda firm offer done deal when Steve just wanted to keep the option. It’s like calling the lakers ask hey do you want to trade Lebron? Knowing you would give up too much for him but hey why no have the option?
Doublelift is the aged actress from sunset blvd
Thorin is literally giving Saudis ideas at this point xD
Yall right Doublelift is being a diva and a bit washed, but yall also hating pretty hard
Riot America is actively trying to reduce LPL's popularity with all of the things they did lol.
As they should
damn thorin got thick
Modern art is vary miss represented. It can be a total misss aka shit but if a piece of morden art talks to you it is much more powerfull than a classic piece in my humble opinion. I also use to look down on it nut a friend got me into a museum of modern art and my opinion swapped realy fast. Big point modern art should be consumed in museums otherwise it doesnt make much sense
Remember guys its all the fans fault
Doublelift is "not even close" to being near the top of the list of LCS ADC's. And yet...with a variety of random SoloQ Supports Doublelift absolutely destroyed the current TL duo of Yeon and CoreJj in something like seven straight games in SoloQ. Now SQ has little bearing whether he would perform as well in pro play, except he was clearly the best player on a bad 100T team last season including his split with a lifeless Bjergsen. And in his very first game back after a two year break, DL beat Berserker in lane, even as the rest of 100T collapsed around him. To say he's "not even close" sounds like typical Monte bitter grapes, and drooling Thooorin can simply never get enough of attacking and ridiculing DL (and Leena) now that Regi has descended to the Netherworld. His typically forced and incomprehensible analogy to Morrissey (more like 60, you ginger elf) fell as flat as usual.
Sneaky and meteos broke up with doublelift
Why?
@@ShoorfLonelyLokly no clue... but they didnt co-stream together
57:00 dune ref 1:46:30 1:52:00 2:38:20 3:08:00 destiny
classic dl 😅😅😅😅
Im super EU biased now sure, but i see BLG, TES, T1, Gen G and maybe HLE better than G2 in a Bo5, otherwise no one. So i would say G2 is a top 6 team
ain't gonna lie, FPX might just be up there too😹
Sure bro, how many more years of G2 getting thrashed at international events till you guys stop huffing copium? It’s not 2019 anymore. Wake the fuck up.
As far as I know, Steve approached doublelift about joining liquid again which would suggest that he did in fact want him. Are you guys disputing that claim based on your behind the scenes knowledge? If so, would you please make that more clear? Otherwise it just sounds bad faith.
And how do you know, from doublelift? Also, it's good business when negotiating to have options to present to potential clients even if you have no intention of signing the options you are using for leverage.
@@disturbed1734 yeah from double lift. I’m perfectly willing to accept that double lift is lying, they would just have to prove that especially since they themselves have said previously that doublelift is incapable of lying. If they’re clear or upfront about having insider knowledge that shows that doublelift is either lying or misrepresenting Steve approaching him Id be willing to believe that because thorin has great journalistic integrity and if he is reporting something it means he went through the process. But that’s not what happened here. Or at least they’re not making it clear that’s what it is. So until they do that, i believe doublelift.
Also, doublelifts problem was that one there was a disconnect between Steve and dodo, and two that dodo told him one thing and said another behind his back. Doublelift said himself that he’d be cool with it if he just told him how he felt straight up. It’s completely plausible that Steve approached him to use as leverage for signing others, but it’s kind of silly to then call someone foolish for believing that a team is interested in you when the owner reaches out first.