PICKING THE RIGHT Joystick Controller - Star Citizen
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Certainly my preferred video to date. The initial comments are perfect to get people motivated into what really matters: practice. Instead of an endless and pointless discussion about the available controls.
This was a much needed summarial review for control types and clarified a lot for me! As always your reviews are second to none in professional analysis of a topic, thank you!
Thank you noobifier! Being a real pilot, it's really hard to break muscle memory that I'm so used to. Using a mouse and keyboard to fly wasn't intuitive for me. I tried dual sticks and I found myself kicking the wall under my desk. I'm currently using the Thrustmaster Warthorg HOTAS and Saitek Pro Combat Rudder Pedals. This is really the only way I can fly in SC.
This is a near-perfect video detailing flight controller evolution. Excelsior!
+Jay P thank you
I think this is a great video. Each person has their own preferences. I happen to use primarily a gamepad controller, mouse and Voice Attack. I sometimes use the keyboard for certain things. I do this style because of medical issues and am not able to sit up, or stand for a long time and have to lay in bed to play. With my gamepad in left hand (for thrusters, boost and roll), mouse in my right hand (for direction, aim and weapons firing), Voice Attack (for Quantum travel, take off, landing and a hundred other things). I use the "F" key to get in and out of the ship and space bar for "use". This setup works for me, but might not work for others. I find it easy to fly and with gimballed weapons, very easy to aim and take out targets. Everything is at my fingertips, or with voice. A special thank you to Noobifier for his review of voice packs which helped me decide on Verity for Voice Attack.
+SteveeB41 excellent. I am happy to have helped a bit.
Thanks! Great video. Good luck testing that keyboard.
This showed up at an eerily opportune time...
You're the only one who I know who's taking this controller issue with no bias. Great video, thank you.
+Damon Robertson at the end of the day, whatever CIG decides to do with controller balance is probably close to what we have now so it's time to pick a controller and get good. :)
Just as I was researching further control options, this lovely video was made. Thank you very much, you've certainly helped to point me in a better direction.
+Stuart Conger excellent
Imho this is the best info channel on SC and everything around it. Clear explanations, thanks Noobifier.
+Grizzly HP2 thanks
great video on the controllers, will give me a better insight on this
Thanks Noobifier, great video and since talking to you before, I've got my T16000m hotas working and can say I'm really liking it, and for the amount of money it cost it is a worthy setup for beginners
Wow I didn't know somebody was making a keyboard like that. Awesome!!
Excellent video Noob. I can personally attest to the HOJAM and twin stick configs. However, with HOJAM I never used gimbals and always used fixed (cause the mustang is the only ship I fully own...) so I did loose a bit of precise aim there. However, now that I've bought a T16000M FCS for my right hand and use my older Pacific AV8R (also ambidextrous) for my left hand, twin stick is hands down the best config. The control and agility is amazing!
Amazing video. Thanks Noobifier.
Your videos are so helpful and straight to the point. Good work Noobifier!
+Orion Daniels thanks I appreciate the feedback
another great video Mr Noobifier, will be keeping an eye out for the next 1. Keep up the great work.
Currently have a HOTAS system (no pedals) and dual joystick with trackIR and Voice Attack looks like the way to go.
great video and summary of your experience. thanks
+Ian Hulbert thanks Ian
As always Noobifier, thank you!
Quick TrackIR question: Can you set it so the gimbals follow the head motions, and your ship follows your Keyboard/controller/stick motions?
nice video, just discovered you channel. Played consoles all my live; since they were invented and Star Citizen made me think about playing on PV. Already tried KM and now I got a Xbox Elite Controller With voice attack... Happy to see you made the same patch. Was thinking about HOTAS but here in Brasil a good piece of equipment still over my budget; maybe in the future. Liked the idea of 2 Joysticks. Cheers
+André Silva welcome and thanks for watching
This video helped me a lot. Thank you
+yeapstab excellent
Hello, Who did u contact to make a left hand joystick? How much did it costs. Doesn't he sell a set or pair of l & r joystick
awesome breakdown.
Thanks. Another great vid.
I play with a Thrustmaster T16000m FCS Flight Pack which includes rudder pedals. I love this HOTAS setup and will stick with it. I use the pedals to control the Yaw axis of my spacecrafts. The pedals are analog inputs so I will also use them as Gas and Break for Land vehicules once we get them in patch Alpha 3.0
You got me sold on dual stick a long time ago. Double T 16000 FCS setup for me. Great for both budget and control. Thanks man.
+LotusEater14 excellent.
Thanks for sharing your learnings. I picked up a warthog on sale at Christmas bur am waiting to build my new rig and desk. Happy to hear you liked it.
PS I like your cat :)
I'm on a similar path. Right now I'm on the HOJAM + VoiceAttack + HeadTracking step.
what about saitek yoke, throttle and pedals for flying and track IR for shooting.
love it im considering trying dual joysticks soon so great video for me let lone anyone else :)
so because off my flight style i prefer gimbaled weaponsover fixed, even though you mentioned hojam is useless for you since you fly fixed what is you view on it for someone that uses a keyboard and mouse and gimbaled weapons? is hojam a good way for someone that has never used a flight stick to transition slowly over time (due to price) to using dual stick?
With Christmas rapidly approaching, many people are about to discover the hobby of R/C whether it be the old standard planes/helicopters or the ever growing quadcopter drone market. These guys are all sinking some serious money into dual stick gimballed radio controllers, like the FrSky Tanaris, which has a plug in pc usb interface that new fliers use to develop their flight skills on simulator software. It would be interesting to see these supported by Star Citizen as many of them allow for mixing and trim rates that could be very useful for racing and dog-fighting. It would also remove an obstacle of entry to the game for the many people already involved in that hobby. I mention this because it looks like Santa is building one for me this year =)
Being mainly an Xbox player, when I tried staecitizen out for the first time using a M&K I was like a baby monkey with a glock. Reckless. So j use an Xbox one controller and it's nice. I like how I don't have to switch controls from foot to flight. I Still Use keybord for specific commands like raising and lowering shields or toggling my reticle but aside from those. It's comfortable.
This is interesting. I'm still investigating what to do because I can no longer afford to use my mouse (Due to RSI). From what I've seen of your videos, the dual stick seems very comfortable but I predict it can also be confusing for a long time.
There is some really great advice in this video. Good job on this one as it wraps up everything into a neat package.
I used to play Gran Turismo a lot and I know that the PS4 controller that I used had analog buttons for gas and brake functions. It worked really well. I can say with confidence right now that in order for Woots keyboard to work in a similar fashion he is going to need to put in progressive weight springs into the design. Having a constant weight to the key press throughout its entire range of motion won't be a good experience. Your finger will not have a sense of where it is at in the travel space. I hope he understands this and figures it out. It must become progressively harder to press as you bottom out the key.
+Rickbearcat they have on the fly key cap and switch replacement with 6 switch types planned at launch.
Rickbear
Thank you for a great vid.
+Chaos4President thanks for watching
when can we expect your review of the wooting keyboard?
No bs as usual thanks Noob! Btw love your cat checking out your rig
Just to add though, I haven't noticed HSC updating their VoiceAttack packs since 2.5. I have one and had to modify myself for 2.6. Do you find it uses much CPU space?
Sweet setup !! Those mounts are so amazing with the warthog.
+Quentin Jericho monstertech mounts
I hope you got the gummies in the packages ;)
On another note, do you think it's essential to use the same joystick for both hands ? I'm considering getting another one, aiming using rudder pedals isn't the best atm.
Awesome as usual. Your videos have saved me a ton of time [coming to similar conclusions].
+Karl Loppnow awesome Karl. I love crating discussion and saving people time
Wow, you respond quick. Posted it in my org as usual. Might as well help as many ppl as possible.
I'm watching this with my cat (Siamese) sat on my lap.. she spotted the Sphinx appear camera right and became VERY interested :-)
+Mr Smee lol the cat is awesome. More of a dog really. Great personality
What I'm thinking of doing is starting of with a keyboard and mouse, as I'm getting into the game, then get a joystick to fly hojam, then eventually getting a second
Thanks Noobifier, very useful information... I keep practicing!! I think I want the HOTAS eventually though not sure I understand the dual joystick set up. Got to save my pennies...
+Stuart Cant dual is the way to go
I knew you were hard core for this game but WOW! You are one dedicated player. Thanks for the great videos and information. I could never learn all this on my own. It is very much appreciated. ;)
+JohnnyKanuk that is exactly what I was hoping forex thanks for posting that, it's appreciated
I know who I am hiring for protection when I start up my hauling biz in game!
Thank you, very informative video. I am just curious as to what would be your opinion on Gameboard G13 + Mouse (flight mode) and regular KB/M on foot? I understand it would take some personal experience to judge it accordingly but any rough idea would be very welcomed!
+Reinborn as long as you are used to it, and practice I see no advantage over one or the other
Yeah, it's essentially just a different layout, it was only the joystick that caught my attention. I'll just get dual sticks. Thanks
how do i know if it's better to have hotas or dual stick?
i only have a really budget hotas, so i will have to invest into something anyway.. just what?
As always outstanding!, I just purchased a T16000m, switching to the duel stick set up, my question is would their be an advantage in also running foot pedals with the 2 stick set up? or are there plenty of hats to go around for Star Citizen?
+The Captain Kern there is no need for pedals but some pilots like the option to dual bind some axis
My thoughts were to use the pedals as speed and for forward and reverse. your thoughts?
thanks for the video!
+drumsetjunky no problem, thanks for watching
Nice follow-up to your earlier work. Wooting KB sounds cool. Not sure about what will likely be very short key travel. Look forward to your review.
+Thread-64 thanks, I hope to get a test prototype shortly
It's a nice keyboard, it takes time to get used to at first but once you do it can be extremely handy.
Thank you for making this video. What curve setup are you using in TrakIr for pvp? Did you make a video on using TrackIr in pvp?
Track IR in PVP to aim gimbals?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yes
Great video, very informative about the options for controlling SC. My main Ships for SC will be the MAX and Carrack, so basically Hauling and Exploring. With that in mind I cannot really see a better option than KB and Mouse, as I won't be doing any racing, and my main combat will be defensive as I try to escape Pirates. Are there really any benefits to using Joysticks for Players who don't want to be Combat Pilots?
+SirLoneWolf the Carrack is a giant combat ship as soon as someone attacks it.
Fair point, but having manned Turrets, must surely limit the amount of combat the Pilot is involved in during an attack, his main aim is escape with defensive fire. Anyway it was a very informative video, but I personally can see the biggest benefits of Joysticks being for 100% Combat Pilots.
Hi Noobifier I have a question. I currently own a T16000 and use it along with my keyboard. However, for star citizen I haven't really been proficient in using it (in contrast to Elite), so I often resorted back to mouse and keyboard. That said, I would like to practise and become more skilled with a joystick for SC. I was planning to first practise more with joystick and keyboard to see whether I get to the results I want, but after seeing your video I'm wondering about a dual joystick setup. Would you recommend to go straight for the dual setup or first practise to get your skills up for the single joystick and keyboard combination?
+Tycondero I would suggest dual to fly. Be warned though, you should expect hours of practice in aiming... the flying will come quick, but being on target takes time and can be frustrating
I understand. I just ordered a Warthog to use along with my T16000. I gave mouse and keyboard a good try for a couple of months and it worked well, however nothing beats the feel of a proper joystick IMO. I use that for Elite for over 2 years and love it. However, SC is more difficult, as the flight model is significantly different compared to Elite. I understand that it will "suck" first, but hopefully the enjoyment will be greater later. Furthermore, as SC is still in development now is a great time to do some training before the actual game gets more and more advanced ;)
I fly M&K and HOTAS. I want to try duel stick but I am wondering if there is a way to do duel stick with a throttle so you don't have to constantly press forward on the stick when you're just cruising the verse. If you have any idea of weather of not this could work and how, please let me know. thanks
+Django Lowe the t16k has a bindable throttle. th-cam.com/video/6yNnHbNaUNE/w-d-xo.html
Awesome!
+1 for mentioning Wooting. Although I already fly dual T16Ks I also plan to invest in that new keyboard, but for a different reason: for fine on-foot controls.
+Shadow Rose let's see how it works
Have you tried the vkb sticks? I am interested in how they compare with the Thrustmaster especially the new sim mcg, Also I am interested in picking up a trackir but noticed it hasn't been updated in many years, do you foresee and updated version being released in the near future?
+Qwkdraw the Track ir was Just updated actually. The new updated unit has no window on the back. I gave up on trying to buy one. The wait time was simply impossible for VKB
Great info there noobifier!
+Hurric8ne88 thanks, the whole community seems to be taking a break. Hard to break 4000'views on videos lately but this is the type that will get 100 views a day for a year so I am happy
TheNOOBIFIER1337 yeah you're right... it's the quietness before the storm...
Cool video
Analog keyboard??!!! Very cool. keep us posted Noobifier. want to know how it works!
If you use TrackIR for aiming, it doesn't affect the direction of the ship (like it does with mouse), right?
+Ralph van den Berg no, it is independent. It is bound just to view
That is interesting!
This topic is quite interesting: when I will come back, I'll have to decide how to fly.
Thank you for your time =)
+Eric Storm no problem. Hope you find other things interesting on the channel
When using the dual sticks attached to your desk, do your arms not get tired? Do you rest your elbows?
+Screwdrivo no and no. It is not an issue I have experienced
Hey there Noobifier, awesome video as always! Have you had the chance to try out any other kinds of hotas with Star Citizen? I'm looking into getting one but the warthog is a bit too pricey. I've heard the thrustmaster T16000 is good.
+Madcat9246 it is probably the only good and cheap stick out there.
Random second opinion inbound: :D
Coming into active playing of Star Citizen, I researched what controller options were out there, and basically went through the steps Noobifier did, but more "on the cheap and in my head" than with actual hardware, alot of it because of videos done by Noobifier and others.
My first experience with SC flight was with M/KB and while I got good results, didn't give me the flight "feel" I wanted out of the experience. I then went looking for HOTAS setups and had almost settled on the X-56 because of the analog sticks built into the HOTAS for the full 6Dof control, when I encountered the Dual-Stick setups. The problem with those was at the time there was a bit of a drought on the T16k going on, with most stand alone examples going for close to $80US if not more. At one point there wasn't much of a difference in price between the X-56 and two T-16Ks. Then I found a couple T16Ks on Amazon for $55 ea. and free shipping, and I took the plunge.
A full control suite, for half the price of my next choice, and a quarter or less (probably quite a bit less, considering mounting and such) than the gold standard of a dual Warthog setup.
Currently I'm seeing prices of about $70-ish on the T16K stand alone, with ~$110 on the FCS HOTAS pack. Even with those prices, you can get a dual stick setup, with throttle for backup for about 2/3ds the cost of the X-56 (@ $250)
My own opinion on the stick, its the "cheapest of the good sticks," rather than the "best of the cheapest."
Not sure if the distinction actually makes it out of my head there...
Thanks for the info (:
Thanks Noober
wow, cant wait to see that new keyboard!
+Zemi Jogos Wooting One
Hello can I get a copy of your dual joysticks setup . Using the thrustmaster t16000. If not
I tried controller and joystick (awkward), 3Dconnexion 3D Mouse and mouse then ended up with dual joystick. Also use Voice Attack occasionally. Want to get Track IR or some equivalent in the future.
+Citizen Shenanigans it's worth the investment but there is no rush. I would suggest before August 3.0
That WOOTINGOne!! I'd get that. Looking forward to your review on this product.
Im using it atm, have any questions? ask away.
buenos consejos
cool summary, an there i go ordering two joysticks, but for financial reasons, i'm gonna stick(no pun intended) with t16000m, that should be accurate enough right?
John Da Costa it's what I'm going for
Hey Nubifier, I have a hotas configuration but I cant mount fixed weapons, only gimbals. Any ideas? Awesome video as usual.
+Federico Arce you would need to remove the weapon and the gimbal then attach a size larger weapon
TheNOOBIFIER1337 yes this is what I do... i have plenty of ships and weapons and only gimbals are allowed. let's say I have an s3 hardpoint with a gimbal and s2 weapon... I have in inventory plenty of s3 and s2 weapons... when I remove weapon and gimbal and try to add something, no weapons is availble only s3 gimbals. I really need help with this... I spend a lot of time researching and I'm paying the cost of downgrade one size even when Im using hotas config.
I ended up buying a HOTS Warthog. Unfortunately, it arrived DOA. I got some use out of the throttle and I have to say its amazing. More control, easier to zone in on enemies and more immersive.
+Uber Critic I hope you get a replacement soon.
Thanks for great video !
Could you elaborate what are the advantages of dual sticks vs HOJAM ?
Thanks in advance )
+Andrey Che aiming with gimbals with HOJAM or not
Fixed, strafes and roll on joystick, pitch and yaw on mouse.
+TheNOOBIFIER1337 Fixed, strafes and roll on joystick, pitch and yaw on mouse.
Any news on if we will ever get a star citizen hotas or dual joysticks
+Mr Handy Conservation Society No, it's probably dead or sleeping
Gang gang!!! Love the vid bro
+I AM Rigged Dice thanks
wait was that a Commodore 64 in the bottom of the first controller set up?
+i. Mutt 20
From my own personal experience i got very good with mouse and keyboard, but i agree that there is definitely a cap to that, i will probably be making a switch to a gamepad. I dont have space to use joysticks so that is an avenue that i dont plan on going with for a long time. Are there any gamepad users out there who can share their pvp experience with me? How has gamepad worked for you?
My hands have memorized everything on my HOTAS. I have my HOTAS screwed down by my armrests and no longer think about any buttons that need pressing or thumbsticks moved. It all happens by instinct now. If I was to buy a new model of HOTAS I would have to relearn all the controls.
I´ll wait for a "more final" flight model (around beta) before spending the many many hours it'll take for me to be decent. Right now, just do it for fun.
+José Pedro Queirolo fun is a good motivator. I don't enjoy 2.6.3 as much as the others. I hope it gets adjusted and there is less D Sync
x56 + Voice Attack + Orion + TrackIR including Noobifier Setup. I found my personal SC controller heaven :)
+Beast_Clintwood that makes me very happy. Thanks for posting
That Wooting1 is gona be gamechanging, but i think ill be starting with a dual warthog setup, any links to getting a lefthand?
I am certain that this person is either dead, or is hiding as if he is dead. Had you considered a pair of Alphas or Primes? I have videos on this.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I’m actually gona start with dual Thrustmasters and pedals. Start budget before I commit
love your videos noobifier
+Houssam ElJamal thanks
An excellent video. However, I am old and not likely to be a straight up dog-fighter. I have, however decided to be the best damn Eclipse pilot I can be. I will not be standing for hours at a time (did I mention I was old) and have combed the auto wrecker yards for a Cadillac CT6 driver seat from which I will bomb the universe into submission.
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I would like to know if you have tried any controlling with the G13? I would guess that straight up head to head dog-fighting is out of the question as the thumb would slip off the micro joystick a lot. But I don't see this as a big deal with the bigger less maneuverable ships that I am planning to devote to. I may even try to make a right handed G13 so I can build them both right into the armrests of the cockpit. Can you picture a Cadillac seat with joysticks? Now with 2 G13's. I'm picturing a captains chair on the Enterprise. :D
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My precise question is would YOU be able to pilot say a Redeemer or an Eclipse with a G13 and a Warthog just as well as you could with dual Warthogs? My train of thought is "there is only so much you can do to make a bus handle like a Ferrari".
Derping around with a Xbox elite controller as we speak....
thx 4 the video 😊
while most console game pad controllers have few buttons, what of the xbox one pro controller? Do you think it has enough keybinds for flight?
There are at least 8 for shields, 4 for power, four for weapons, and then 8 for targeting.. This is why I used Voice Attack...
I use a SABRENT 12 button controller (actually has 16). It is about $15 US from Walmart. With JOY2KEY free download, it works with Star Citizen. It has extra buttons, giving around 30 functions.
Thank you both for the input. I will look into both set-ups.
Do you think, that even with much practice, the stick can match mouse, in terms of precision??
+Alexandre Boavida being able to out fly the mouse, I believe that I
am already at a point where this is the case
If you're checking out more controllers, take a look at the swiftpoint z mouse.
+Ben Pielstick ok
Currently flying M+KB because I have 3 broken X-65F hotas units though my soldering station and meter arrived so I be trying to fix those. At the same time a pair of T.16000Ms should arrive tomorrow. Main reason for that is A I want to try it and B I do not like the use of pedals I have tried and it just never really synced up nicely. O and yeah I have flown with a controller to, as I have one so tried it. (And use voice attack with HCS profiles).
In short I been down the path and still going to see what works, if dual sticks work I do however think I would wish I could make it work with two X-65F sticks cause force sensing sticks are amazing in my opinion.
+Carde force sensing or force feedback? I'm interested
Force sensing, the X-65F sticks do not move they simply sense the force you apply and this can be tweaked into fine detail. It is to many really a love it or hate it kind of deal because you get no feedback from your movements because the stick does not move, but on the flip side you get a lot more control and instant control because any change in force applied is instant as there is nothing to be moved back and forth.
I really like it and when I compare using my X-65F to an X-55/56 it is clear which I prefer.
I'm looking at buying a standing desk and am wondering where you purchased yours? Or is it a DIY?
+SigrViking it is from Ikea but I believe it was discontinued
Thanks, that's what I feared. I've run out of room on my desk and want to change it up to standing and more surface area. Great videos! Keep up the good work!
+SigrViking it was called a Jurken I think
Do the joysticks get in the way when you try and use keyboard and mouse? Able you able to just reach over and you them? I'm looking a solution for my setup. perhaps a way to slide the joystick mounts off the side when i want to use thr keyboard and mouse
+Markk4kk the mounts work fine to allow access to K&M. I stand up though so... it may be easier
Are the mounts custom or can they be picked up some place? I am looking for something just like this and have started drafting plans but if someone is selling one that would make my life easier.
+Don Marshall they are from monster tech
Dude I have one question, and one question only:
Where can I get a lefthanded Warthog??
Felix Walter I think he ordered his custom made so you have to send an email to the manufacturers. It will cost you tho.
I've decided to not go for flying. it's just too hard for me. Instead I will be focusing more on ground combat.
Your earlier videos had me determined to use dual sticks. I have finally bought a pair T16000s ;0 Thanks for the no bs! ;0
+GeneralFresh nice, I hope you find it easy to use
GeneralFresh hi id love a little write up on those dual saiteks please? I would really like dual hotas sticks but due to the price it's a bit out of my reach at the moment. how would 2 T1600 (i think that's the correct name) hold up in comparison? thanks
+StraightUpGrimeTV t1600 are ambidextrous which most others are not. Using x-52 on a left hand would be hard
Sadly I bought a VKB Gunfighter and found it had hardware and software issues. I ended up returning it.
Do you need to have foot peddles with duke stick?
No
There is still plenty of time to catch up until commercial launch though =)
Have you got target to work with 2 Warthogs?
+Y_Ev4 I have never installed target.
I would love to play with a joystick but hardware costs hard to justify