Star Citizen: Picking the Right Bomber!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- There are a few options out there that are very different but are labeled as bombers, so how do you know which is the right one for you? Find out here.
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One thing that I want to see from Star Citizen. Me and a flight of other Retaliators heading full speed at an enemy capitol ship. Staying tight and maneuvering through flak like fire. Then finally delivering all of our torpedoes in a brilliant salvo of destruction. Only pulling up just in time to evade the corpse of the target we just killed. That's my Star Citizen dream!
I can't wait for you to ragequit when his (and my) torps will destroy your ship, all while you'll whine that torps are OP!
I would follow you with mine 😲. Can we launch all torpedos in 1 shot?
And 4 years later, Xenothreat made that possible. :)
the vanguard will shine as a fighter bomber escort when you are trying to make a bomb run with retaliators and gladiators against a cap ship.
Funny that you mention, the Vanguard was inspired by the P38 lightning which was originally meant to intercept enemy bombers & escort allied ones. So yeah, the Vanguard IS in fact the escort service of the Retaliator
You know for a while the P-38 had a mod to carry bombs
Sean Whatstone She could also carry HVAR rockets :D
Dude your videos are always top notch, keep it up. Just would wish you upload more.
FYI - 1080p content based on older footage from when I had those two ships, and the images of the Harbinger being lower quality. Will always do 1440p with newer content that was recorded at higher res, but for this, it made sense to lower it and save some data for y'all.
You have betrayed us. God Is dead and you have killed him.
well we could just watch it in 1080 even if you upload in 1440 ;)
1080p is fine btw :p
Hey you should do a picking the right mercenary/man for hire ship
And why haven't you done a should you buy a f7c hornet video
I think no front guns in the Retaliator is the right decision. You should rely on your turret gunner to deal with those small fighters. Its really hard for a turret gunner to get a lock on when your pilot is maneuvering to get the front guns lined up so the pilot can fire front guns.Without the front guns, the pilot tries to position the ship to help the gunners get the best firing positions making them more effective.
I think the best setup for a long-range strike force would be a few retaliators with a few harbinger as escort. So both can launch the torpedoes and then the harbinger can run protection for the retaliators.
Personally I went with the gladiator because I joined a large guild and they have several cap ships and I plan on being a bomber on one of those. Also theys aid the gladiator can be converted into a small cargo hauler so I can also haul cargo when there are no fleet operations.
Last time I was this early star citizen still wasn't finished.
Still ain’t 😆
Thank God they decided to rename the "Bulldog" the Vanguard. Kind of random, but I'm grateful. The Harbinger is definitely my favorite of the three.
Very informative video STL! I have a Vanguard Warden at the moment and I'm super happy with it
Unless something has changed very recently the Gladiator is capable of carrying 4 torpedoes in an center line bay behind the crew compartment. They were visible when it was first made hanger ready, but I don't' know if that has changed since.
I already have the retaliator bomber and getting the A1 spirit
Very great video! I have been in love with all things Aegis. The Retaliator being one of them. Makes me think of if the B-17 and B-52 were to have a space faring child.
Being able to fly one right now has made me want one even more. Having to have 6 other people and the maintenance costs should be off set by the mission types you will be able to undertake. Capital Ships and Stations attacks being the primary missions. When it comes back on sale I will definitely get it.
Also love the Vanguards, the Warden beings the other one I want to get bad, and would make a great escort group for the Retaliator. Warden dealing with the interceptors, the Harbinger dropping the targets shields, and the Sentinel with the E-Warfa
re. Add a couple Sabres for closer ranged attacks and you have a hell of an attack group!
I really love the Gladiator, I can imagine that once were dropping bombs down on planets, everyone will CCU from a superhornet.
Nice, often neglected topic. A good description of the Harbinger would probably be that it is a tactical bomber, like the role which the F15E Strike Eagle fulfills for the USAF vs the F15C (which would be the Warden). It is basically a proven fighter converted into another very capable platform. That would make the Retaliator a strategic bomber.
The Vanguard's range, versatility, redundancy, firepower and sexy good looks did it for me. So much so I own two (although the Terrapin may replace the second one).
I am in love with the look of the Vanguards. Soooo beautiful....
But I don't think I'm gonna pick one up. Not yet, at least.
The two things holding me back right now is the price and the fact that Vanguards still need adjusting.
Mundy Timofeyev Yea, I agree. For the price I'd rather get a Constellation Andromina.
I have a Delta and intend to use that in game till have have made enough to be able to afford a Warden
The Gladiator(s) can hide in a group of Hornets and if its target is a large+ ship a small group of Hornets isn't a huge threat. The Gladiator can hold its own in a fight but by no means should it ever be used as a fighter killer, however I have on many occasions been victorious in Arena Commander doing just that. I would say its the best ship almost no one owns.
Really hoping for EMP Torpedos so you can bring the shields down on Cap ships and then use Redeemers, Hoplites and Argos to put people on board to take the ship intact.
I think, we also could build ships, weapons, beacons... and sell them, also psudo programming, engineering :)!! in the game.. then this game will become beyond fantastic... in the games we explore the universe and physics enginees make it enjoyable. Explore new weapons, new animals, planets, crafting.. but we could also do the things what I have said above..
well gladiator as a new perk as beeing able to use small jump point where the two other will have to use medium or larger one, i give more opportunity to strike
@ the harbinger, maybe it can be classified as an fighter-bomber. Like a stuka
You forgot one tidbit about the Tali. You can eventually slave those turrets to yourself (pilot seat) if you don't have the crew to man it.
P.S. I think you're over-selling the Harbinger. It's a nice middle-ground bomber, but it has neither the agility of the Gladiator nor the pure bombing power of the Retaliator.
is this confirmed?
Hope it is, that would be dope.
agreed!
kinda, The gladiator is very maneuverable as is and the current wardens are not that great at it but have alot of speed. Also the Retaliator has more torpedoes and far larger ones so its basically like OP said and is more of a middle ground between the two.
The retaliator looks a bit like the blackbird
It's got the body of a B1 Lancer with the nose & paintjob of a SR-71 Blackbird. #1 Sexiest spaceship in the game imo, F42 did a fantastic job on it.
I'd profer the P-72 as sexiest but it's top three for me
Sean Whatstone Oh yea, I forgot about the Mustang
lol we flew one other night , my homeboy was this a modified space Blackbird with big ass torps....
Retaliator is a great looking ship, though full of problems.
1- turret placement: only one turret doesn't have issues, the others clip the hull, and have degrees of fields of view and fire, the lower two turrets are completely blocked in, current mount on s1 gun and was said to be about to mount s2's, though this was a year ago and still not been action ed.
2- escape pod location: all 6 escape pods/beds are located at te rear of the top deck. The lower rear turret gunner takes 14 seconds to reach them with all doors already opened and no other crew to block access. With a full crew and doors in normal operation positions that time is expected to be close to 25 seconds. part of the problem is single access by way of the top deck access ladder.
3- limited crew features and stations: currently there is only 5 turret stations and pilot station that are fixed crew stations, the newer engineering station is a temporary crew station, it has no means of fixed crew (meaning no seat or foot anchoring), and with the escape pods being only 6 in number any extra crew would die with the ship or have try and survive by jumping out one of the two docking hatches. The is no bombidiar station to target and guide torpedoes to target, the is no comms/sensor operations crew station. as a multi-person bomber she's lacking the Harbringer and Gladiator are heaps better as the crew has roles, in the Retaliator crew not in a gunner station have no other function, there's no where to eat or cook, no common area for crew.
read the community forums to understand how bad it is forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/categories/retaliator-series-discussion-group or the community letter that talks about the three key problems forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/286738/dear-cig-retaliator-base-hull-feedback-edit-updated-with-ben-s-response
to be honest one of the sexist Star Citizen ships, but completely useless, sad thing is the Vanguard series isn't much better.
Very nice vid. Love your insight as usual. Thanks!
0:22 now you can: the Eclipse is better than those 3.
I've got a Vanguard with the BUKs and a Gladiator. I'd probably prefer the Gladiator, simply because it carries a lot of torpedo for its size, and it can probably slip in under defenses much better than the Retaliator.
Well it lacks the punch of a Retaliator. You will most likely needs several Gladiators like 4-5 to do any real damage to a Cap Ship or wait for the shields to go down before going in with Gladiator.
Jared Doherty Nah, man. It's all about overwhelming shields locally instead of trying to take the whole thing down to 0 HP. ;-) Or at least, that's the more fun way to do it.
im not sure what kind of situation would require a pay load the size of a tali with double bomb bays all aimed at one target. i think a situation where you are trying to punch a hole to board through youd be fine with 1 bomb bay and a dropship module, or a harbinger and a redeemer or any other heavily manned ship full of soldiers.
personally, id want a harbinger for myself. i like that it doesnt require extra crew mates to defend itself and that its BUKs can lend it to other roles including e-warfare, which is pretty uncommon outside of sucker punch guns.
i wouldnt mind being a gunner on a tali, but i think the vangard family find a really nice middle ground between the smaller, shorter range and likely smaller capability of the gladiator, and the large crew requirement and generally overkill (most of the time) payload of the tali.
i am curious though what sort of application, if any, there will be for planet side bombing runs as opposed to torpedo strikes in space.
one other thing id like to see (though i have no evidence for) is an exploration BUK for the vangard which gives up the torpedoes for some cargo space and the rockets and possibly the giant nose gun for scanners. i think the multiple jump range would be well suited for deep space exploration.
I think it remains to be seen if the Vanguard is a better fighter than the Gladiator. I prefer the Gladiator as a fighter. Of course for long range without access to a carrier, then you have to go with the Vanguard.
Bounty hunting in a stealth bomber is gonna be ez dosh !!
Excelent vid man! You and Bored are my main daily SC drug intake.. 😜👍
And tactical*
omg how could I have forgot about him.. my bad.. yeah him too! 👍
after this video, im curious to see your thoughts on choosing a missile boat ship. i know there are only a couple of dedicated missile based ships, but there are also a few fighters that carry a decent missile payload for their size.
based on what I see what the harbinger it looks like it's going to hold 6 it looks like it's mirroring both sides the 3 the left 3 on the right
Thank you for the video!
Are they no conventional bombs that you can drop in swarms to deal heavy suppressing fire?
QUESTION: How did you get your hangar to be more than 1 room?
The hangars looked like that before 2.4.
Question for the inbox. what do we know about ship to ship communications and battle planning?
They will have "hailing" for ships, with a gta style mouth moving. Should be interesting.
What we know:
We know there are going to be Point Defense Systems in Star Citizen.
What we don't know:
We don't know how missiles/torpedoes are supposed to perform (only that they are greatly under-powered in the current game).
We don't know if torpedoes will be fighter/turret targetable/interceptable.
We don't know how effective turrets are supposed to be (only that they are greatly underwhelming in the current game).
Really like to see someone hit a Gemini Starfarer with a few of those ClearSky Torps to see how effective they are in the job they are intended for.
For most people I think it comes down to what your crew size will be. Be it real people and/or AI.
You forget, the IR and EM is massive on this thing, and going in in cruise speeds powered down isn't exactly a good idea.
And the Tally can do that as well.
I hope you can customize the insides of the ships to will...I want to take a retaliator and lose the torps for cargo space and turn it into a heavily turreted salvage ship
Should be able to swap out both bays for cargo or living or a drop bay like stl mentioned. At least that was the plan when I last looked at it a year ago.
BC on PC Yeah read the same stuff a year ago but call me a skeptic but Ive yet to have a kickstarter NOT lie to me...so while I still have hope and faith in TBDSME I also worry!
Seeing the stuff they're doing with the vanguard gives me hope that it's just being done behind the scenes while they take care of the tali's other problems. Robert has been pretty good on his word so far.
BC on PC Yeah agreed, just have been burned A LOT, City of Titans, Robotech table top, hell even my order of Reaper mini's came in melted lol.
Nice video was a while since the last picking the right role ship .
Do you have any planes to do a video on picking the right scanner ship?
love my harbinger but imho there is room for at least 5 torpedoes!
Hahaha...STL confirms beakdanceable ships.
Where did you get your info regarding the vanguard having the smallest payload. I've always thought the torps on the gladiator look a fraction of the size of the harbinger. If i'm wrong that seems like a weird balance.
Do torpedo's have more reliability to hit targets that deploy counter measures? Are they wire guided or something?
You missed the main purpose built bomber "Eclipse".
I have a Tali and right now without capital ships its kinda pointless. With a crew and a flight you can clear out JT with support
5 years old?!
Wonder if there are any updates to this, or if it's still just the same three + Polaris...
Great video! 😄
I'm a bit confused here. Every person discussing turrets seems to forget that you can pop in auto turrets, or at least that's what I read a long while ago. Was that cancelled or do people just tend to ignore it?
I class the vanguard as an assaulter
to summarize, each ship has it's strong points or weak points
can't wait to use the Retaliator against a Kingship!
DOWN WITH THE VANDUUL
inuysha360 kingship is tougher than the bengal and escorted by ships that carry cleavers meaning u won't even get close
The Retaliator is a Longe Range Bomber, so no problem with cap ships escorts.
Vanguard also carries six missiles last I heard, or did it lose those when it was updated? Regardless, if you're going to buy a bomber you should consider your play style. How often are you going to be attacking a capital ship or base, if you play in a fleet would you rather be a bomber or escort? Do you want seven guys in a retaliator or multiple gladiators plus escorts?
The gladiator opened up normally? holy shit! It does not do that...
Harbinger need another size 5 hardpoint to compete I find it strange that my prowler does more DPS as a drop ship
Prowler needs to be balanced.
I want t get a Tali, put in one personnel module and one cargo I can fill with an Ursa, call it the Normandy, and wage war on pirates or glorified toasters. :)
Kind of the same, but I have the back bomb bay and front cargo, so I have the means to convince any ship to... share their cargo!
are you the guy from engineering explained?
thanks
Any chance the void bomber might come to sale
I purchased the terrapin as my "starter" ship but I'm a little worried about its profitability. Is it more of a alternative utility or a "requirement" for fleets or cargo convoys?
How would you place this Should You Buy Bomber questions now that the Eclipse is on Concept Sale?
For the inbox: positional voice chat is awesome, and I remember something about a com system, but they are maybe not as efficient as Skype. How do you think the game will remedy this classic MMO problem of relying on 3rd party chat software?
By it not being a problem, just like it's not a problem on any other MMO, or PC game in general. Basically they just fixed the Not Problem by there being nothing to fix.
OMG How do you expand your hanger? I thought they disabled that?
That will come again. They are working on the new User Interface for that.
Analytics!
Could the retaliator hold a dragonfly?
@11:39 Is this the microphone?
What about the eclipse?
Now i know the Retaliator isn't a Multi role ship, but could i have a drop ship module and keep a Torpedo bay? or will the drop ship module take up both torpedoe bays?
It seems so. There are two module slots that can drop in and out. They could even be used for cargo bays which is a cool thought for high risk hauling.
It is a multi role ship. Two cargo modules, two living modules, and dropship module. It can be a bomber, or a very protected hauler (albeit not carrying that much cargo) or a personal transport ship that can carry VIPs.
Now, dropship module is a unique one that has 12 seats in it with weapon racks and stuff, but won't be available as rear module. If you board the ship you'll know, but rear space is a bit narrow than the front space in that ship. So on the front you can fit 4 torpedos as opposed to only 2 on the rear, or a bigger cargo or living area than the rear, and also the dropship module will only fit in the front.
It's hell of a ship though, if you want to have more than a dozen people carried over to a battleground while having the ship protected with 5 turrets, or carry a decent amount of cargo or even have a VIP in the rear and have a dropship module to provide a protection with a squad.
Yes you can have two torpedo bays or one torpedo bay and a dropship module or any configuration you want.
Woah. A 'Tali costs less than a Harbinger?
$295 v $275
STLYoungblood Shit... thanks for the info.
How do you expand your hanger sideways?
This is old footage before the update, You used to have your hangar expand depending on the amount of ships to fit them all. Right now it doesnt happen but they are working on it.
if you want a vanguard......wont waist money on a warden BUK. that's the fighter variant that people keep saying is the anti large ships aka the what the harbinger does lol. warden Is useless. lets hope the other two variants are dependable at what they do being fully dedicated combat ships. oh and keep in mind people CR said the harbinger will be significantly heavier and slower do to its armor and payload weight. its will NOT be a fast ship and cruise. get your facts str8 STL. just woundt make sense or be fun for others if a bomber could just swoop in and insta kill/disable any large ship they want.
It won't turn as fast. It WILL cruise as fast. Facts str8 m8
Awesome
Fogot about the eclipse
Vanguard rulez
So is this game going to release or is it already released?
It's in alpha right now
+JeffyTCR How long has it been in Alpha? I've heard of it since 2013. I wonder how long the beta will be.
Alpha 3.0 will come out at the end of this year, watch the gamescon presentation to see all of the awesome stuff coming in that update. We are probably looking at about a year until Beta. It takes a long time to build a large space game from scratch.
The question I have is how do we know how much bombers, or any of these niche ships are actually going to matter? why would I need to carpet bomb anything? in the persistent universe will i literally be able to permanently destroy some outpost on a planet? I mean i doubt it right? the entire game would be a pile of rubble within the first week.
ive noticed this with your videos though, and im sure you know a million times more than i do, but. for example. you talk about the redeemer perhaps being useful for carrying high risk VIP's or small amounts of high risk data logs etc. who says that's going to be in the game? why would another player need to send a briefcase of stuff to somewhere else? makes sense in real life but ive seen nothing suggesting that would be part of the game.
with exploration for example. this universe is hand crafted and limited in size. its not no mans sky (thank god) with unlimited random potential. so how much is exploration going to really matter? what are you going to discover that is so damned important? i don't get it. what am i exploring that hasn't already been charted?
OR and this is really making me wonder what the hells going on. these LUXURY cruisliners you can buy. why in the hell would i need a LUXURY cruise ship? I find it hard to fathom that it would be useful for anything except to say "god damn im rich, look at this absurd ship i bought for no reason, I am a baller". its insane.
maybe these questions have legit answers. the media material on this game is overwhelming though so im not sure if its been covered.
Basicaly
Gladiator light ass bomber
Harbinger fast as fuk boi with dat amrmerment too
Retaliator rip javelins
Update?
picking the right mobile home ship!
firsties!
Great video! 😄