I own a Z32 so I'm thrilled to watch it go against these other iconic cars. But I have to say those H22 Preludes are super impressive. FWD, Naturally Aspirated, and still held it's own. Amazing.
SuppaVik Fact: Kazunori Yamauchi(the creator of Gran Turismo) was trained by the leader of Best MOTORing and had tests similar to those in all GT games a lot which are the same actually lol.
I wish I knew the names of all the cars that raced in this video but I can’t read some of the Japanese Hiragana/Katakana. It’s amazing how many “forgotten legends” were featured in this video. This is before the DC2 Honda Integra Type R outshined the Honda Prelude. Before the Toyota Mark 4 Supra made the Mark 3 Supra, Celica GT-4, and MR2 Turbo more obscure. Before the Subaru Impreza WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution rose to the top with AWD turbo engines. Before the 300ZX and 3000GTO were sadly forgotten.
I was just thinking this as I watched this, it's too bad as the 3000gt and the 300zx are some of my favorites in terms of 90s Japanese cars. The only other that hadn't been released yet but made irrelevant by the integra was the fto. But we Americans got stuck with the fat eclipse which is cool but not like the fto
@@unluckyabsol I think the drivetrain/engine of the eclipse(especially the GSX) was represented in the Lancer Evos of the era, though not as extremely tuned.
Even though I don't understand a single Japanese word, I understand what the driver at 2:17 said, it's like the God of cars made me understand his feelings
The Lancer was valiant, but no match for these cars. hearing the RX7 driver, he was like grandad mumbling on the way to the shops :D GT-R driver was having the most fun though!
Tsuchiya drove that GT-R far too sideways. He took a drift approach which is simply not the fastest way around. I know he drove the Taisan Klepper GT-R in the JTC at this time, but the approach of pitching in the GT-R sharply to induce oversteer, then balance constant oversteer through the corner, was not the fastest way to do it. It used the AWD system to hold the drift oversteer, but not to maximise the traction advantage out of the corner. And Tsukuba has three major hairpin corners that are made for cars like the GT-R.
Love the R32! It's the heaviest, tallest, front-mid layout with same amount of power as NSX and RX7 type R yet it smokes the NSX and just 0.13 second behind RX7 type R, I'm pretty sure the R32 lost that 0.13 second on back straight due to less power to weight ratio by 280 hp regulation (Not because RB26!!). The NSX has mid-engine layout meaning low rotational inertia, both NSX and RX7 are lighter, with lower body, lower ground clearance and RWD. RWD allows more negative camber and positive caster but they still caught up by the R32 lol. The R32 is impressive, it doesn't have the chassis, weight and suspension advantage but it has the all mighty ATTESA ET-S. I can see the handling of R32 is more adjustable at lower speed, that's because lower speed= lower relative power and the ATTESA ET-S allows rear wheels spinning 5% faster than the front, not too much but enough to loosen the rear for reducing turning radius. The car will under-steer at high speed because of its weight but I'm impressed by the way it saves the understeer at 8:02. He reached 3,500-4,000 rpm at that time I think and that's about to reach its max torque, so the power delivery can be quite effective, in other word, if he quickly release the throttle in that situation, it'll perform engine brake, it requires good front-rear traction balance in order to maintain dynamic and the ATTESA did so well fighting against the inertia. I mean ATTESA is very good at maintaining traction balance against high inertia load by sending most of the power at the rear which aids the car to turn instead of sending to the front for "driver-friendly". Beside that, close gear ratios allows equal amount of acceleration off corner as NSX and RX7, rear transmission+ rear mounted FWD transfer case allows better weight distribution and I believe both R32 and NSX has similar weight distribution. Therefor, physical traction balance should be identical. A 1,430 kg car can handle as balance as a 1,270-1,360 kg car... Good job Nissan!
It smokes the NSX? it might have had a better time in qualifying but during the actual race the RX7 and NSX blew it away. Not to diminish the GT-R, it's a great car, but the front tires just can't deal with the extra weight for a long period of time. Also the weight distribution is nowhere close to the NSX's. With the engine up front it's about 55/45% F/R. NSX is more like 42/58% F/R. The GT-R might do great in a single lap but once you put it in a 5 lap battle the front tires just give up and you have tons of understeer. Nissan should have put more rubber in the GT-R. I bet that would have changed the result and the GT-R might have had a better chance if it could consistently keep the same time it had in qualifying for the whole race. But yeah, for its specs, the GT-R was impressive!
And do not forget that the r32 achieves that because of the turbo! Without the turbo it would have been slower. Put a turbo on the nsx and brace for impact :))
Also, the FD3S RX-7 only had around 251hp in 1992, if it had the same hp as the R32, the power to weight ratio would have been so so much better, and the FD does so well in the corners due to its perfect 50/50 weight distribution. The power band in the FD is also very usable considering it had sequential turbos allowing the power to be there at any RPM, and even though it doesn’t make nearly as much power as the GT-R or the NSX it had a higher rev limit allowing for more wheel speed thus limiting the amount of time you would need to shift keeping it in the power band for longer periods of time. But all three cars are incredibly cool
There was no regulation on power lol it still made 320hp the agreement was to keep all power numbers publicly disclosed to be less than 280(but all of them made more irl)
What the pit is in that Rx7? I can't believe that's a stock rx7. When I saw it pass 3 cars to take 2nd place on the start I just said that the driver must be Kyle Busch's Japanese cousin. Then after it took the lead it was gone.
RX7's main weapon being chassis balance and handling, made to tackle small technical road courses such as Tsukuba. The NSX did well and showed it's potential. While I was surprised the R32 GTR couldn't stick with them better, it never really lost a lot of ground after awhile, but couldn't catch back up either, the front tires looked like they were overheating as the under steer became very evident. The other powerhouses (Z32, Supra, GTO, MR2) bringing up the middle of the pack fell victim to traffic and had a hard time holding a more preferable racing line to take full advantage of their potential.
Rx7 is tyre was new type in this era and Mazda elaborated this car of debut. So this car has arraignment precisely and pick good condition car. That cause this resault.
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この時代の日本車は個性があって本当にワクワクしたなあ。
今じゃどいつもこいつもハイブリッドですよね
ハイブリッド…燃費いいのはあんまり魅力に感じないな
ある程度走ってくれりゃいいかなって感じですね
「リッター〇〇キロでますっ！！」
なんて言われても僕の場合「ふーんそうなんだぁ(-_-) zzz」って感じですね
@@eight9823ハイブリッドもキレイに乗ってあげないと燃費出ないですからね。
バブルの恩恵
This is the most Grant Turismo thing I've ever seen; right down to the music.
ベスモをずっと見ていた人なら分かると思いますが、
基本的にデビューした直後の車はなぜか速くてガンさんの評価も良い。
その後、バトルを繰り返す度にタイムが遅くなり評価も下がる一方･･･。
See Fss ただしインテRは除く
広報車...
Saredo Furiko 確かに
それゃ初めは新車でエンジンもボディーの剛性も高いからでしょう‼️土屋や大井の32GTRにタワーバーの剛性アップの企画をやったけどどちらも新車時はわからなかったけど1万km過ぎた時位に取り付けたら効果を認識出来たといっていたからね❗ベスモ見ている人は理解しているんじゃないの？ベスモはホットバージョンとは趣旨が違うから基本的にノーマルの車両だからね❗基本的に広報車同士だしね❗オーナーカーの場合は発表するから‼️
あえて可能性を挙げるとしたら
・タイヤの性能向上
・ボディ剛性の進化
・エンジンの進化
などかなと。
つまり新車が出る度に評価ポイントがどんどん上になる訳ですね、今まで偏差値60あった車が50になってしまうと。
タイムが落ちるのは気温、路面コンディション、ドライバー、個体差があるのでは無いでしょうか。
FD3S! What a legendary vehicle! It will never become aged.
giorx5 all of this car in video is never become aged.
I own a Z32 so I'm thrilled to watch it go against these other iconic cars. But I have to say those H22 Preludes are super impressive. FWD, Naturally Aspirated, and still held it's own. Amazing.
Honda was in a league of their own back in the day.
150万でランサーGSR
すごい時代だな
FD3S body design is 25 years ahead of its time. It still looks modern today unlike other 90s JDMs
FDのデビュー当時、某N社の整備の学校に通ってました。
FDのテンパータイヤがエンケイのアルミだったり、フロントフェンダーやサスペンション、ブレーキペダルやジャッキまでアルミ製だったので驚きました。
学校の仲間と盛り上がったのを思い出します。
どのメーカーもスポーツカーは個性や信念がそれぞれ違う。
どれも気合が入っているのが感じられて素晴らしかった。
雑誌のFD外観予想やスクープが外れてて酷かったなぁｗｗｗ
1:55「ガードレールの内側は全部コースだと思ってる」ｗｗ
わしのことじゃな
RX7カッコイいしかも速いしやっぱFD大好き
年式古くなると税金上がるっておかしいよな
逆に若者の車離れを助長してる気が...
this is Gran turismo 1 in real life *-* amazing.. this circuit it's same at High Speed Ring 😍😍
my favorite game. i still have it
SuppaVik
Fact:
Kazunori Yamauchi(the creator of Gran Turismo) was trained by the leader of Best MOTORing and had tests similar to those in all GT games a lot which are the same actually lol.
Yup 😁👏
Nobody is talking about the best part of this video: GAN SAN'S SWEATER.
I'm amazed at how good the Celica GT4 was. Celicas were very underrated, it's sad.
UnitiveWILLIAM24 the driver was amazing. Three wheeling that car through out the corner. Dude was ripping it.
Outstanding. Thanks for the upload.
Legendary cars
Love all of them
Die Autos aus meinen jungen Jahren, super Video, danke!
Gran Turismo lässt grüssen! 👍
Der Entwickler von Gran Turismo wurde vom Best Motoring Leiter trainiert.
He really scratched his helmet lmao 7:45
他が車体ごと大きく変わっていく中でFDは10年見た目変わらず高性能であり続けたから、この時点ではオーバーテクノロジーだったんじゃないかな。
I wish I knew the names of all the cars that raced in this video but I can’t read some of the Japanese Hiragana/Katakana.
It’s amazing how many “forgotten legends” were featured in this video.
This is before the DC2 Honda Integra Type R outshined the Honda Prelude.
Before the Toyota Mark 4 Supra made the Mark 3 Supra, Celica GT-4, and MR2 Turbo more obscure.
Before the Subaru Impreza WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution rose to the top with AWD turbo engines.
Before the 300ZX and 3000GTO were sadly forgotten.
I was just thinking this as I watched this, it's too bad as the 3000gt and the 300zx are some of my favorites in terms of 90s Japanese cars. The only other that hadn't been released yet but made irrelevant by the integra was the fto. But we Americans got stuck with the fat eclipse which is cool but not like the fto
@@unluckyabsol I think the drivetrain/engine of the eclipse(especially the GSX) was represented in the Lancer Evos of the era, though not as extremely tuned.
@@lazarushernandez5827 the Eclipse was basically a Galant VR4 with a shortened wheelbase and a coupe body.
まだランサーがEvolutionしてない…
このRX-7速すぎておかしいような…
広報車のにおい
@@どうぶつの森の詐欺たぬき昔は良くやってたもんね💧
でもタイム的にはそんなムチャクチャなことしてない感じだよね
Tsuchiya driving like gran turismo drift physics
That sweatshirt is really from the 90's hahahah
In case you missed the fact that it's hunting season... the camera will zoom in on the scene ;)
バトル後のガンさんのセーター、なんなんだこれは・・・ｗ
Rx7 FD3S is the best^^
3:05
Z32があっという間にR32に抜かれた😭
7:43 土屋さん面白いな
And the lancer evolution became a monster after this shootout
元さん、なんちゅー柄の服を着てんだ
狩人…？
Que buenos tiempos corriendo con esa maravilla de autos. Amo este canal
RX7 FTW
Even though I don't understand a single Japanese word, I understand what the driver at 2:17 said, it's like the God of cars made me understand his feelings
fd3s 最高
FD3Sの最初のロットを購入しました。同じ型のFD3S乗っていた人なら分かると思いますが、初期型のFD3Sはサーキットなどの路面状況が良いステージでは確かに速いし動きもスムーズでしたけど、対して一般道ではちょっとの轍やうねりにやたらとハンドルが取られてとても扱いにくかった印象があります。CPUにも欠陥あったし。結果的に楽しく走れるようになるまで結構なお金がかかりましたw
粕谷さんは個人的に好きじゃないなあ〜〜
他のベスモのレースでもブロックばっかりで。
Sexy then, sexy now. RX-7 design is just timeless.
ほとんどの車種にエアバッグがない 時代だな。
RX-7ずば抜けて美しいな
Was cool but I wish they used an Evo 1, not a 1800cc GSR lancer, also the honda prelude should have been a honda civic.
The Lancer was valiant, but no match for these cars. hearing the RX7 driver, he was like grandad mumbling on the way to the shops :D GT-R driver was having the most fun though!
公報チューンしてたとして、他はしてないって言えるのか？
The Prelude got lost on the way to the supermarket.
Terry Tibbs ha ha ha nice joke their you ricer.
Terry Tibbs you obviously haven’t seen the jun prelude.
マニュアル良いよねぇ( ´◡‿ゝ◡`)
このFD3Sは、おかしいw
この頃の7､280に馬力になってないよね？
蠟燭マン だいたい255馬力位です
このFDはおかしいぞ。某33Rの広報車っぽい気がする
ゆっくりスタジオ
寧ろ他の速いのが団子でもたついてたのが結構効いてるから相対的に速いだけでは
ゆっくりスタジオ 有り得ますね。 足回り+ブーストちょっと上げてるかも。 広報チューンおそるべしｗ
@@aaabbb-tz9vf どうなのでしょうか。僕は広報チューンはしてないと思いますけど？元々FDは他のレースでも速い方ですし。例えばセリカがNSXよりもダントツで速いなら、広報チューンの可能性もあり得ますが、FDの広報チューンの可能性は、ほぼゼロと言えるでしょう。
@@ksmskou3708 なんでそんなにFDへ絶大な信頼おいてるのかは知らんが初期のFDって別に速くないぞ...
パワーも中途半端
トルクはロータリーだし元々無い
剛性もそんなに高くない
足りないタイヤのサイズ
そこから起きる低い限界領域
後期になるとここらが改善されていって大分よくなるけど初期はな...
今回のマシンは初期なのにちょっち速すぎる
Damn, did that GSR hold its might while it could or what? Impressive stuff!
I love RX-7
By looking at this race. Looks like none turbo 300zx lol
@@josephbrady711 heavy piece of shit eh? Maybe dont comment on things you have zero clue in future.
Not a bas show from the gto, heaviest car there by quite a margin
Tsuchiya drove that GT-R far too sideways. He took a drift approach which is simply not the fastest way around. I know he drove the Taisan Klepper GT-R in the JTC at this time, but the approach of pitching in the GT-R sharply to induce oversteer, then balance constant oversteer through the corner, was not the fastest way to do it. It used the AWD system to hold the drift oversteer, but not to maximise the traction advantage out of the corner. And Tsukuba has three major hairpin corners that are made for cars like the GT-R.
Dude the r32 looks so hard to drive😭makes me want a r32 less to see how the driver fights it
Man, what a battle.
This amazing classic cars racing than newest cars...
Love the R32! It's the heaviest, tallest, front-mid layout with same amount of power as NSX and RX7 type R yet it smokes the NSX and just 0.13 second behind RX7 type R, I'm pretty sure the R32 lost that 0.13 second on back straight due to less power to weight ratio by 280 hp regulation (Not because RB26!!). The NSX has mid-engine layout meaning low rotational inertia, both NSX and RX7 are lighter, with lower body, lower ground clearance and RWD. RWD allows more negative camber and positive caster but they still caught up by the R32 lol. The R32 is impressive, it doesn't have the chassis, weight and suspension advantage but it has the all mighty ATTESA ET-S. I can see the handling of R32 is more adjustable at lower speed, that's because lower speed= lower relative power and the ATTESA ET-S allows rear wheels spinning 5% faster than the front, not too much but enough to loosen the rear for reducing turning radius. The car will under-steer at high speed because of its weight but I'm impressed by the way it saves the understeer at 8:02. He reached 3,500-4,000 rpm at that time I think and that's about to reach its max torque, so the power delivery can be quite effective, in other word, if he quickly release the throttle in that situation, it'll perform engine brake, it requires good front-rear traction balance in order to maintain dynamic and the ATTESA did so well fighting against the inertia. I mean ATTESA is very good at maintaining traction balance against high inertia load by sending most of the power at the rear which aids the car to turn instead of sending to the front for "driver-friendly". Beside that, close gear ratios allows equal amount of acceleration off corner as NSX and RX7, rear transmission+ rear mounted FWD transfer case allows better weight distribution and I believe both R32 and NSX has similar weight distribution. Therefor, physical traction balance should be identical. A 1,430 kg car can handle as balance as a 1,270-1,360 kg car... Good job Nissan!
It smokes the NSX? it might have had a better time in qualifying but during the actual race the RX7 and NSX blew it away. Not to diminish the GT-R, it's a great car, but the front tires just can't deal with the extra weight for a long period of time. Also the weight distribution is nowhere close to the NSX's. With the engine up front it's about 55/45% F/R. NSX is more like 42/58% F/R. The GT-R might do great in a single lap but once you put it in a 5 lap battle the front tires just give up and you have tons of understeer. Nissan should have put more rubber in the GT-R. I bet that would have changed the result and the GT-R might have had a better chance if it could consistently keep the same time it had in qualifying for the whole race. But yeah, for its specs, the GT-R was impressive!
And do not forget that the r32 achieves that because of the turbo! Without the turbo it would have been slower. Put a turbo on the nsx and brace for impact :))
Also, the FD3S RX-7 only had around 251hp in 1992, if it had the same hp as the R32, the power to weight ratio would have been so so much better, and the FD does so well in the corners due to its perfect 50/50 weight distribution. The power band in the FD is also very usable considering it had sequential turbos allowing the power to be there at any RPM, and even though it doesn’t make nearly as much power as the GT-R or the NSX it had a higher rev limit allowing for more wheel speed thus limiting the amount of time you would need to shift keeping it in the power band for longer periods of time. But all three cars are incredibly cool
There was no regulation on power lol it still made 320hp the agreement was to keep all power numbers publicly disclosed to be less than 280(but all of them made more irl)
You sound salty pascal lol. The Gtr is heavy Imagine if that was the NSX type R? No chance!! lol
懐かしいな～この当時R32乗ってた
FDが速いというか、スタート後の団子状態から抜け出すのが遅かったから追いつききれないって感じ
土屋はケツ流しすぎかな
Why the hell would a Prelude be there? 🤣
Tsuchiya drifting a 32....
DerangedSloth555 im just focus the same thing.
No ATTESA ETS :v
Andd he also drifted a FWD civic
70スープラについて
2.5ツインターボRはこのぐらいの
速さなんですよね。
スペックで劣るはずの
3.0ターボAは
筑波Lap1分10秒台で2秒程速く
バトルだとZ32よりも速かった。
DK just lettin the GT-R’s ass slide haha
この翌年にモデルチェンジするとはいえ、このメンツだと70スープラのデザインの古さが際立つ
やっぱ一番良いタイヤ履いてるだけはあるなＲＸ－７。Ｓ－０７。タイヤの差だと思う
GTO definitely *ZERO* love in this video. Barely any screen time, and 0 onboard footage.
Thx for the heads uo
Not entirely true
150万で買えるのか
ランサーGSRこの時１８００ターボ4WDだったかな
この前のGSRが1600ターボ4WDで乗ってた☺️
CD5Aですね。所謂ランタボ。エンジンは1800のターボ。昔友達が乗ってました。全然曲がらない車でしたね😅
Tsuchiya-san GT-R goes like in Eneesharu Dee
What the pit is in that Rx7? I can't believe that's a stock rx7. When I saw it pass 3 cars to take 2nd place on the start I just said that the driver must be Kyle Busch's Japanese cousin. Then after it took the lead it was gone.
That nsx was fast too. Once it got 2nd place it kept up with the rx7, might have been gaining a little ground too.
RX7's main weapon being chassis balance and handling, made to tackle small technical road courses such as Tsukuba. The NSX did well and showed it's potential. While I was surprised the R32 GTR couldn't stick with them better, it never really lost a lot of ground after awhile, but couldn't catch back up either, the front tires looked like they were overheating as the under steer became very evident. The other powerhouses (Z32, Supra, GTO, MR2) bringing up the middle of the pack fell victim to traffic and had a hard time holding a more preferable racing line to take full advantage of their potential.
Rx7 is tyre was new type in this era and Mazda elaborated this car of debut. So this car has arraignment precisely and pick good condition car. That cause this resault.
Rx7 Mazda perfect
Celica 😍
シフトミスを認めない黒さん
土屋：清水さん無言だろうな！！NSXで！
Did he just scratch an itch on his helmet at 7:45 ?????
Can this be translated?
Nsx th gem* engineering 👍
ガンさんマジック！
Most of these cars would have trouble with a diesel Jetta now...
T F no
@@TheBb6prelude better tire tech has allowed so much improvement in chassis suspension brakes etc. The times have helped cars
TAしたってNSXと0.4しか違わないじゃない。
他の方が言ってるように序盤の団子が聞いたんでしょ
GTR 🔝
このfdが早いのはタイヤのおかげです
FD好きだけどここまで来るとさすがに胡散臭い…w
いや、広報車はいじってるから実際速い。
説明文『ランサーエボ3』は誤りで、正しくはエボ登場以前の『ランサーGSR』です。
恥ずかしいので早く直してください
デビューだからFD勝たせなかったらマツダに何言われるかわかんないししょうがないね
28年も前かよ....みんなわかいなぁ....
がんさん好きだわー爆笑
土屋さん途中からドリドリして遊んでるな笑
果たしてどうなりますか。で笑った
neat
FD速すぎんか笑
NSXVTEC力強いエンジン音。でもランサー抜かれながらも頑張っている。
The supra driver was kinda lazy it looked like
粕谷さんのブロックはガン爺所ではない
大井さん土屋さん黒沢さん以外誰も知らねえ😂笑笑
他の動画のI〜Ⅲ型のセブンなんて遅い車なのにやけに速い…笑
FD早すぎだろちょっと…… ブーストあげてるんだな
むしろ時がたつほどブーストダウンしてるからこれが真の力なんだよ。遅いFDは経年劣化とかヘタってることが原因なのさ。
FDが速すぎるというよりも、NSXとGT-Rが遅すぎるんだよ(´・ω・`)
NSXとGT-Rが本気で走って1分9秒なわけがないやん(´・ω・`)
I don't believe this is true 32 is mutch faster
That weight over 6 laps doesn't help the brakes and tires.
このVTRを見てもまだGT-Rが日本一最速の車といえるのか？ ちなみに僕は断然ホンダ派だな!!
池田雅治
アホか、後番手スタートで前が詰まって差が広がっただけだろ
FD、NSXに圧勝してるシーンなんぞ腐るほどあるわww
少なくとも今は最速だと思うね。今のnsxはタイヤがお粗末らしいし、すごい壊れやすそうだし…
＞このVTRを見てもまだGT-Rが日本一最速の車といえるのか？
何年前の映像見てコメントしてんだよwww
VTEC信者さんかな？