Here’s How Toyota’s Self Charging Hybrid works!!!
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- Over the past few months, we’ve heard more and more about Toyota and it’s new Self Charging Hybrid technology. We’ve seen it mentioned in ads. We’ve heard people talking about it on social media. And we’ve heard from viewers wanting to know more about how it works.
If Toyota has invented a car capable of electric operation but which never needs plugging in, we’re asked, why are we still focusing on electric cars?
Today, we’ve decided to let Toyota’s big secret out of the bag, and explain why we’re still covering the tech we are.
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A short explanation of series parallel hybrids (the tech Toyota uses):
Rather than a transmission that engages and disengages, they use a planetary gear set, called a power split device.
It has an input from the engine, a flywheel, and an output to the wheels. Spin up the engine and the flywheel will spin. Slow down the flywheel and the power will instead go to the output, the wheels, and drive the car.
This means you don’t need to connect or disconnect anything mechanically, so the transmission, if you can even call it that, will last endlessly longer than an automatic or manual. All you need to do is slow the flywheel down, and because it’s geared, for every one unit of energy you slow the flywheel down by, 10 units of energy get transferred to the wheels.
Now they could use friction to slow down the flywheel, but that’d wear out pretty quickly. Instead, they connected an electric generator to it. Now, they can leave the engine in it’s most efficient rpm constantly, and adjust acceleration by how much power they pull off it.
Problem was, they were getting far more power than they needed. Throw in all the in car DVD players you want, they just don’t draw enough power. Switch to electric aircon and heating, add a massive 12v battery, it just doesn’t work.
So instead they added a second motor onto the output, so now they can feed all the spare energy right back into the drivetrain.
Add a 1kWh battery to store all the surplus, and you’re golden.
So (some of) the actual driving modes are:
All electric
Engine on, and:
1. Surplus power charging battery
2. Surplus power going to wheels
3. Surplus power going to wheels and charging battery
4. All surplus power going to wheels, energy from battery going to wheels
If the battery’s less than 20% charged, it will usually pick mode 1. When cruising, it’ll pick mode 1 or 3 to bring the battery to 70% (it’ll run the engine in the most efficient range so this is actually better than just not using that extra fuel to charge)
This leaves 30% for regenerative breaking, usually more than enough, and keeps the battery in good health.
When accelerating heavily, it’ll pick between mode 4 and 2, switching from 4 to 2 when the battery has run low, then to mode 1 once the acceleration has stopped. It’ll even rev the engine up quite a bit to more quickly charge the battery to 20% if need be.
So this is why I’d say self charging isn’t exactly wrong. I was confused at first as to why my Toyota Aqua would say, when accelerating, that it was both giving energy to the wheels from the motor AND charging the battery at the same time, but once I understood how the power split device works it all made sense. I’ve been planning on making a video explaining this for some time, originally with a scale model but I think it may be easier to just use the actual PSD from an Aqua I have spare, as they’re pretty small.
If someone else was keen on making a video like this, I’d be happy. Everything I’ve seen so far either over-complicates things, or just attributes it to magic.
That magic is a power split device.
"regenerative breaking" that would be "regenerative braking"..A whole different meaning,😁but nonetheless, a good explanation.
Glad I read your explanation in its entirety. I think this is the clearest explanation I have read or seen so far. Thanks, Funposting!
Good explaining. I like my rav4hybrid everytime I drive it.
" ...for every one unit of energy you slow the flywheel down by, 10 units of energy get transferred to the wheels. ... " You just created 9 units of energy from nowhere! Fantastic! And I mean that last word literally.
The bottom line is that if you don't plug the car into an external source of electricity [to charge the battery] - [which I know you can't with these Toyotas] then all the power comes, in the final analysis, from petrol.
lol
Full time Uber driver here for 3 years. On my second Prius and I wouldn't drive anything else. 10 hours drive time on $20 worth of petrol.
Is it worth doing uber?
@@Inanimate22 unfortunately, no. Uber had many legal issues, and the profit margin is well...marginal, if everything goes perfect, you can make a little below minimum wage. But Uber having legal issues is anything but perfect.
@@Inanimate22 I drive using a Chevy Bolt EV. I make over $20/hr and my "fuel" cost is US $11 per 1000 miles. No maintenance costs on the Bolt also. So well above minimum wage 😂.
@@Allan_A chevy cars are terrible cars. Have fun contantly paying a small fortune for that car LMFAO
@@amritsingh8918 strange comment, you must know nothing about EVs. My car has almost 115K and no maintenance issues.
And they would've gotten away with it if it weren't for these pesky Ev enthusiast.
^^^ This Scooby Doo reference needs more likes.
It's basically a real electric car, with a range extender.
Don’t worry I can run that small engine completely on water - then it becomes fully Self Charging without Toxic exhaust.
@@SamMonkulas lmao HHO? It's a good supplement for gasoline but the energy being put into the production of HHO is greater than what you can get from it. Only makes sense when you combine it with Gasoline because then it helps with the burning and you have a more efficient burn. But you can't run a car purely on water. Maximum 5 meters before you run out of excess hydrogen from the pipes.
@@atranas6018 ahhh "range extended EV" the old marketing spin bs. The Lightyear One is a range-extended electric car. This is just another hybrid.
We recently got a Corolla Hybrid and it is brilliant. It runs on electric far more than I expected it to and costs a lot less to run than the Astra it replaced. At the end of the day if driving a hybrid saves us money then its happy days.
So, its about money?
@@flexairz Unfortunately in the world we live in you need money to survive and we don't have much of it, so we have to look after the pennies.
@@jonholding3880 Isn't it about saving the planet?
@@flexairz most of us use the car for work so yeah less fuel equals more left on that paycheck we essentially pay for convenience and not for "climate" this is why u have many against electric vehicles because it simply is not convenient and realistic for the average user, heck I'd go electric if it was as good as gas or better.
@@WAN2TREE4 it's never about saving the planet while humans die the planet will still exist whatever form it takes.
'Never be afraid to to mislabel a product'
~Rule of Acquisition 239
Ferengi?
Mark Plott, I believe that’s attributted to P.T. Barnum, though with no evidence he actually said it. Something like it was probably around before he was even born. But W.C. Fields was an actor and he may have said it in a role, but many years after Barnum died.
Quarrkkk.
Your content is always efficient and extremely well delivered.
My coworker just got a Honda Insight and started saying that he's trying to optimize and figure out how to stay in only "EV mode" and just use electricity and never use any gas...it was too late to save him
Tell him to trade it in for a used Gen1 Volt 2013-2015.
So sad some people buy that BS
@@robertpryor7225 PHEVs are gateway drugs into EV. 23-50 Miles of EV and ICE running on Gas to go futher. I would love to have a BEV but I can't afford one at the moment. There will be a lot of second hand EVs in the next couple of years.
A very superficial Wikipedia check tells me the Honda Insight does not have plug-in capability. Therefore, you cannot keep it in EV-mode as it requires petrol to power it. I assume this is the point you were trying to make. As someone who is unfamiliar with the Honda Insight, I suspected this had to be what you were getting at, but I didn't know for sure until I looked it up. Next time, maybe include the fact that it isn't a plug-in hybrid in the initial comment? That way the point is immediately clear beyond any reasonable doubt, even to people who don't know the particular car in question.
Toyota is EV-PHOBIC. Seriously they have even spoken against full electrics. Mr. Toyoda must have oil Tycoon friends
“It’s powered by... advertising!”
🔥🔥🔥
It's powered by high quality engineering. But don't mind her, the British car industry went to shit repeatedly for tons of advertising without any base.
yes they are realying on customers having no sense of physics... . how can buy a car whose producer is considering you as an idiot unless you just have no clue . really strange...
You only need to see real world numbers not someone's word trying to puff up Tesla
Here is my case: I bought 2019 Prius LE and drove 2,000 miles while paying only $90 for the gasoline. I do not care what Toyota are calling their technology as long as they deliver their product right. Heck! Toyota could call their technology “moon shine” for their 100 mpg car and I will still buy it. Lol
hahahhahahha... i like this idea. same here.. as long as it saves fuel compares to petrol only...
Thats dogshit, go full electric and get solar panels and do 2000 miles for $0
100mpg... reseting at the top of a hill and checking at the bottom of it.
Never seen a hybrid doing more than 40mpg at constant 70mph
@@slyse7en get a rocket ship while your at it, if money is unlimited.
@@slyse7en Can you gift me 30k please
If you can save 40% fuel on Toyota hybrid then why complain?
You cannot bit Toyota all round, they are doing great job.
Mr Hq , I don’t think they’re complaining about calling it a hybrid, but calling it self charging. A bit misleading
@@fanfeck2844 Not really, because I'm sure tons of ppl think you need to plug in a Hybrid for the Electric portion of the powertrain to work. Not misleading, more of a clarification.
Nothing wrong with self charging. It indeeds charges it's own batteries and the output is significant.
@Gary Robinson show me when your e350 or I3 can reach 94mpg (2.5l/100km) fuel economy? Beacuse new prius can. Of course if 90% of your trip is just cruising it will be around 39-47mpg like in normal car, but hybrids are made for city, they shine when you brake and accelerate often. If you still think that hybrids doent have sesne... well you cant fight with numbers.
Because Tesla is an even bigger save without being tethered to a charging station. Tesla can charge everyday at home.
As Robert Llewellyn points out, your Bolt is a self charging electric car! ...every time you show down or brake
You mean slow down.
James Dubben regenerative breaking converts the kinetic energy of mechanical breaking into electricity. It does not create energy but converts the ‘speed energy’ of the car into electric current (same as dynamos) and the result is the car slowing. In normal mechanical breaking the speed reduction of the vehicle creates heat, noise and physical war of the break pads...kinetic, thermal, and sound energies. This pathetic attempt to appear ‘greener’ than they are and to sell more cars by Toyota is nothing more than a trick and will not save on fuel or emissions.
All vehicles that have Regen are Self charging, as far as the Toyota advertising goes. So my Leaf, Ioniq Electric and my Mi scooter are all Self Charging... :) So as Robert from Fully Charged has said.. Lets drop that "Self Charging" on to all things the same and it might get a more accurate message out about the hybrid etc.
naomisfine Yes, it is indeed ‘braking’, I should be more careful when writing comment when stoned, my apologies.
wozzapoet - LOL, hybrids are way better than a regular ICE, no comparison. You DO save gas every time you use the brake, everything you stop, every time you go down a hill, etc. BEV is great, but not everyone can afford them, and of course, the government hand out is only for the rich. Thank you, Ronnie Ray Gun, zapp.
I also have a "self-charging" 12V battery in my gas car.
You are so brilliant...😂😂😂🤗
@One a hole
@Desmond Bagley english people call it petrol
Keep in mind you let the 12V battery run flat more than about 6 times and you will be replacing it. Really only good for pushing the starter motor at 5 second intervals. Thankfully the plates in a lead acid is nearly 100% recyclable.
real genius comment there john ya blithering idiot
Not even Scotty can break the laws of physics...
Unless you have anti-matter power and your science officer is a genius.
are you talking about Montgomery Scott or Scotty Kilmer. lol
he did speak to a computer keyboard though
Keyboard, how quaint! :-)
You conveniently forgot to mention regenerative braking. It does charge itself every time you drive downhill or use your brakes. Instead of wasting brake pads and discs, most of the time you are harvesting energy! We have a 1,6 l petrol car, a 3 l Diesel and 1 Prius hybrid. Around town both of the first ones uses approximately 15 litres pr 100 km while the Prius uses 5. So 1/3. I would call that self charging. Try drive one for a while, it's awesome!
That is the "expected" and "existing" behavior in hybrids! Regenerative braking is not a new concept; it has been around for a while!
Hans Christian Holst you are so correct and it seems like these people are a little slow or something.
No actually that was explained. It doesn’t charge its self really, regenerative breaking is reusing petrol energy that came from an external non self source. You have to run petrol engine harder to go up a hill or reach a faster speed in first place, you then convert kinetic energy to storage chemical energy in battery as you go down the hill or apply breaks.
But all that energy 100% came from petrol which has to applied externally.
It’s also not self in terms of car only applies regen after the driver gives input to tell it to via pressing breaks.
I totally disagree with you. A non hybrid car does not have a charging system.Going downhill, slowing down or braking you are waisting energy. When you push the brake pedal on a non hybrid car you are waisting brake pads and discs, (causing pollution while you are at it) while for the most on a hybrid you are running your electric motor - read charger- in reverse CHARGING the battery. How do you capture your kinetic energy in your non hybrid car?? If Toyota claimed it self charges 100% they would be lying, but they don't.
Hans Christian Holst , and when you start talking about percentages, you are into marketing
My wife and I have been big Toyota fans for over forty years, we’ve always had a trouble free run with our Toyota cars and SUVs. My wife drives a late model RAV4 and I tootle around in a late model Toyota Corolla Hybrid and e-bike when the weather is fine, this combo gives as all the options we need from picking up the groceries to hauling our e-bikes into the mountains for rides on New Zealand’s fantastic grade 2 wilderness trails. The Corolla is hugely efficient (no problems there), the RAV4, not so much, so we swap cars based on where we’re going and what we’re doing, this works well. We would like to upgrade the Corolla to a full electric model but Toyota has nothing to offer, when I quizzed our local Toyota dealer about a full electric option he appeared very uneasy and started babbling on about the absence of Government subsidies and the lack of charging stations in NZ. The Corolla Hybrid is what it is, a very efficient electrically assisted internal combustion powered vehicle that’s fun to drive, not an electric car! Toyota, stop this silly pretence, you’re better than that.
How about repairs? Have had any?
Hi Ken, no repairs only replacement tyres and low voltage auxiliary batteries, the cars also have regular service.
Toyota knows what they are doing, very successful in hybrid technology and not jumping into the EV game until it is more economically practical. Toyota is sold around the world and much of the world does not have the infrastructure or the income to support EV sales. Toyota has have very few flops in their history and you can bet when they do introduce full electric cars they will be better than any other makes. I expect you will begin to see affordable EV in NZ in the next few years from many sources, including China. Most folks may get by with charging at home or work so charging network may not need to be as big compared to places where it is more common to drive longer distances. And you have good rail service in NZ; sorely lacking in some larger countries.
For my daily 100 mile commute to work and back I recently went from driving a 15-mpg F-250 Super Duty pickup to driving a 43 mpg Rav 4 hybrid, and after reading these comments I realize for the first time there are people out there that have a problem with hybrids. Really? For some, stupidity knows no bounds.
Well the battery charges from the engine so you get less miles than if it was just a normal car how people can't understand this mind boggling. So take the hybrid part off and you will get moor miles per gallon.
@@mattlawton4715 You sound like an idiot and don't know what you're talking about! So dense it would be a waste of time explaining to you
@@mattlawton4715 boy are you seriously serious ?
@@julioanthony1951 oh yes. I would have it charge only when slowing down / breaking would be beneficial 👍
Hybrid is much better for now. Less hassle than full electric. You can stop in any service, with no trip planing or delays. Plus you can only plug your car if you live in a house with a drive, which is not very common in central London.
And if you live in a flat then you can’t even charge it at all.
cedric1997 plus not everyone can charge his car overnight
@cedric1997 Hybrids are less reliable because they use MORE parts??? Lol, ok, to coin a well known phrase: you know nothing Jon Snow.
It also recharges during braking... not just while cruising/coasting.
And while cruising, its uses fuel to charge them there batteries.
@@flexairz Regrettably you do not appear to know much about hybrid technology
Yeah, that was a terrible description of how standard hybrids work, I had to put a thumbs down on this one. The main point is to capture energy while braking that would otherwise have been lost to heat in brakes, which is a massive amount hence the great MPG they get.
Charging the battery with excess engine torque is just the cherry on the cake, and it's not useless: you're borrowing energy from the engine when it's efficient to help it when it's not which is very clever.
I agree it's a bit of a shady marketing move by Toyota but come on, customers aren't gonna buy one thinking it's an EV. There's a fuel door and a window sticker saying "gasoline" with an MPG rating on the damn thing.
Anyways, she calls out Toyota on using words that'll mislead customers into thinking they're 100% clean by giving a description of HSD that will mislead them into thinking they're pointless...
"Congratulations, you played yourself"
Excellent video and great presentation! Question though...can I top off the batterie(s) charge at a regular ev station with a conversion kit of some sort? This in case gasoline is a bit scarce?
Interesting. We just bought a new Yaris Hybrid. The dealership were using the 'self charging' slogan and one of my neighbours asked what this was all about.
I said that
" unlike a full EV that you charge from a charger, the Hybrid is a mix of (in the Yaris) a 1.5 petrol engine and an electric motor with its own battery to power it.
The electric motor works mostly at slow speeds around town if sufficiently charged, for short distances; much better for the local environment in town. The petrol engine takes over at high speed and under acceleration, the two motors sometimes working together to share the load. It switches seamlessly between the two. It uses less fossil fuel and is more efficient and cleaner than petrol/diesel alone."
I explained that " the petrol engine, along with recaptured energy when breaking, charges the battery for the electric motor. That's why its being called 'self charging', the car's petrol engine charges the small battery for around town stuff, you don't have to plug it in anywhere. It's not a full EV."
I never once thought that it was a fully electric car.
If Toyota had said 'self charging EV' that would have been different but they didn't. They use the word Hybrid. That is and has been for 30 odd years a mix of electric and fossil fuel, not full EV.
The petrol en
Alun Hoskins you are so much smarter than this lady. They are misrepresenting and saying Toyota is. Stupid.
Listen to this guy lady
Flawlessly I really am thankful for mine I can get over 600
Miles Range on a single 13.5 gallon tank.
2020 corolla hybrid (52mpg combined)
Prius Eco (56 mpg combined),
Hyundai Ioniq blue (58 mpg combined)
non-hybrid corolla 2.0 (34 mpg combined)
US EPA, per greencarreports
No need to discourage buyers from buying hybrids. Some buyers with families can't afford a large EV, so a hybrid vehicle is a logical and responsible compromise. Toyota is doing the right thing by providing that option.
I just bought a 2019 Toyota Prius XLE Hybrid, I did so because it has AMAZING gas mileage, i'm talking anywhere from 62(my personal worst)-88(my personal best) mpg. that is NOTHING to gripe about. I spend $35USD to fill it up and it lasts me over a month. yes you heard me right, I fill up once a month. Granted I do not make super long commutes, I have gone on a 200 mile round trip twice, and two 150 mile round trips, with the rest of my driving going about an average of 8 mile round trips, all in one month and I still have a little under a quarter tank of gas left. so I don't honestly care what they call it, (it was not advertised like this to me) it works very well and is dependable and allows me to make very long journeys (over 1.8k miles one way) without the need to worry if there is a charger along the way, how long its going to take to charge when i am there, or whether or not i have to find a hotel to charge it up while i sleep to go another 300 miles. I get routinely over 550 miles to a tank, near 650 once. So all in all I call it a smart and justified investment.
Good explanation, but too complicated. Try it's a plug_in hybrid with the plug missing so you use more petrol.
Gwallter Rixon 100% of a conventional hybrid’s energy comes from fossil fuel. “Self-charging” is just a marketing term.
Hybrids get better fuel economy in part because they recover via regenerative braking some of the energy conventional ICE vehicles waste in braking (energy dissipated in the form of heat) and idling (via engine shutoff). Additionally, the ICE Atkinson cycle adds efficiency; the hybrid electric propulsion assists the engine during peak power demands, mitigating the Atkinson cycle’s lower power output.
@Phoggbank the biggest part of the increase in fuel economy comes from the simple fact that in a hybrid car the engine can run in its optimal power band (almost) all the time.
Or more efficiently just call it a Petrol Hybrid.
You forging idiots you use coal and fuel every time you plug you stupid car in. How can you be that dumb.
Robert Johnson , you don’t , I’m signed up to 100% renewables, and even if you weren’t , a power station is far mor efficient than a car engine.
Law of Thermodynamics tells us you can’t have a self charging car but a hybrid is able to capture lost Kinetic energy which typically is transferred into heat from braking and transform it into chemical energy in the form of a battery.
Think about the lost potential energy descending a hill. Hybrids can capture the potential kinetic energy of a hill decent and the constant stops at lights, stop signs and traffic jams.
That is the beauty of a hybrid-to reclaim kinetic energy that is transferred into heat by braking which energy is lost with a regular internal combustion engine.
Yes but nobody have problem with understanding that way of recharging. Toyota is advertising self charging hybrid while driving. This is the first video that explained it to me.
If you live on the top of a hill and charge the battery to 100% when you get home from work then you don't get to reclaim that potential energy when you drive back down the hill to work on the next day. You need to not fully recharge. In fact, it seems that the Nissan Leaf disables full regenerative breaking until the battery state of charge is below 90 ~ 95 %.
Agree - and based on that, energy can be destroyed, by heat which is the normal method of braking a gas vehicle but turned into energy in the hybrid.
Another great video - you guys do the best work - looking for to what we learned from you next.
Very good video. Kept my attention throughout.
Also, my car RPMs don't go up with acceleration often when the engine is on, that's likely because it is running off electric while the engine charges the battery. I don't think that's false marketing in terms of a "self charging" car. The 2020 Corolla hybrid is much more efficient than my 2015 Prius C and runs significantly more on electric than it does with the engine. Less wear on the breaks (regen motors), less wear on the gas engine (electric motor does most work), planetary gears (only one clutch like a manual to disconnect engine from transmission), super reliable platform with a proven track-record in its 4th generation. No one has anything on Toyota at the moment in term of overall costs, efficiency, and reliability for a hybrid.
Personally I love my self-filling coffee maker! It's fantastic! I mean, you have to put water and coffee grounds in, and plug it into the wall, but other than that it's a MIRACLE!
@@rocketfox1672 you are certainly right it's an energy saver at the same time.
As the sun blows so much energy passed our planet it's almost incalculable. And we're here on this marble ,yelling you got to save energy.
Thanks for the heads-up!
thanks for the video! I just purchased a toyota highlander hybrid and figured this was how it worked, but being so used to a regular engine, I've been a little nervous about this car works, especially if the battery drained or if something else happens and the whole vehicle shuts down. It's a great suv so far, fast as heck too, I'm hoping it continues to be the vehicle I'm hoping it will be!
You may or not agree the nomenclature but Toyota's HSD (hybrid system with a very small battery ie 1-2 kwh and not even being lithium based) seems the main stream solution and will remain so at least about 5 or more years.
Every day I come across another news of lithium battery shortages or prices of EV not coming down etc. helps Toyota s HSD remain strong and continue to hold.
Wow, brilliant!
Very nicely put. I’ll save this link for my next discussion with Toyota / Lexus
Great work as always.
The main point with the hybrid the hybrid is fuel economy that’s it, the car is not capable of driving solely on electric power now you can get about 500 to 600 miles for a full tank and use regular gas which can translate into savings pretty quickly. Also if you have a hybrid plug in which is probably the best of both world’s you can drive without gas (petro) for extended periods of time avoiding the need for gas for really really really long times they are extremely efficient while still run on a combustion engine but avoiding depending on it most of the time I think they can get near to 80 or 90 miles to the gallon that is crazy if you think about it compare to a 300 miles range full charge electric.
chinojarjos at the expense of boring car to drive.
I heard Toyota have nearly perfected the flux capacitor.
Thanks for explaining that. My hybrid I,ve been driving for years, is a self charging car all the time. Who knew.
Yes better the anything in the market and very practical if you planning a long trip
Great to see you at FCL last weekend. Got to love a self polluting hybrid’
You give the general public FAR too much credit Nikki! Probably 90%+ don't have a frickin' clue how an internal combustion engined vehicle works either. All they're interested in is if they can get their Android or I-Phone to show up on the infotainment display. All the rest is superfluous.
Toyota needs to be given a break. I work for a Toyota dealer and people don't understand hybrids let alone EV's.
Toyota has been doing hybrids since 90's with the original Prius, and people still don't get how it works so all these people like this channel pushing EV's and making people turn against hybrids really need to understand there is a massive gap in people's knowledge.
Also Toyota's hybrid are a better idea in a county that has less then 15 chargers across the whole county like Herefordshire.
Let's get people as a minimum in to hybrids and the people in hybrids in to EV's, Push to far and the average Joe will be alienated.
Hello Ashley,
Toyota dealers in Japan organise a workshop to give drivers a better understanding about hybrid. toyota.jp/after_service/hybrid_e_service/advice/
Do Toyota dealers in UK have this type of activities?
You're completely right. Even as old as the hybrid technology is. The general conception in the states among non hybrid owners is that the Prius and cars like the Prius need to be plugged in. I've had my Prius V (wagon)for over 2 years now and before then, I had no idea how they worked. I only knew they were fuel efficient. I've had so many people approach me with mine, rather it be co workers, family, friends, even strangers and I'll get asked questions like..."how do you plug it in? what do you do when the battery is drained? How do you charge it?" to people saying "you know your electric car still burns coal when its plugged in right?, you have to save so much money up before that battery dies, they die so often in those cars". But when trying to explain the technology, how long the Prius itself has been around, how it doesn't need to be plugged in, how much I spend on gas, my average mpg, how far I can go on a tank and so on. They'll either have a look of bemusement like a light bulb goes off over their head or they'll still blindly keep with what they said about having to save up for new batteries, and needing to plug them in and so on. So much of general public in the States view hybrid cars as being inferior, or being liberal or being gutless. Your so right Ashley with everything you said. The education somehow needs to get out to the masses about how technology works. Get people who are still not knowledgeable about hybrids, into hybrids. Those are already in Hybrids will be the first to get EVs. You force this stuff on to the average Joe, they won't be accepting of it.
@@keyhideki-nakao4177 nope
Ashley Ward. You work for Toyota! All is needed to know that you’re a salesman slag! Dealerships should be out of business soon for always scamming. Carvana will dominate like Uber did to outdated Cab Companies.
@@ericmendez5815 she actually has a point though, and it especially applies here in the US. I'm not pro-Toyota, but I will say these are great, and necessary, solution that get more hate than they deserve. Hybrids just haven't taken off in the US, despite being much more fuel efficient and still putting out less emissions. Many see them as a joke "appliance" like an oversized toy remote control car (even when they aren't fully electric vehicles), and therefore wouldn't even dream of getting actual EV vehicles. The exception is Tesla, mostly because it's associated with luxury & status with an ADDED BONUS of long range driving on no gas. But that's the exception, and it's all due to lack of education on EV vehicles. Many people don't trust any type of electric car in this country or in others like it, but if we want to really get scared consumers to move from gas cars to full EV's, it's better to first introduce them to hybrids which have a mixture of both to give them long term insight for jumping to full electric
Thanks for sharing!!
Very informative! Love❤️
I have been picked up by a few Uber hybrids in the last year and it always struck me as odd and disappointing that we rode about 50 metres before the engine kicked in. Not in the least interested in this technology. Great synopsis as always- thank you.
MegaRooikat 2001 hybrids like Prius were auto stop start systems. They were 1kw batteries, able to move a vehicle alone up to 10kph (7mph). That allowed the gasoline motor to cut off at stoplights or creep traffic, then the car could move away effortlessly and start the engine a few dozen yards down the pike. The battery would keep climate control working as well when the motor was off.
Real engine was a 1.5L and got 40mpg hwy. 55mpg city (due to stop and go, meaning mostly stop). A Fiesta or Mazda 3 with just a 1.6L motor got 40mpg hwy and 38city. Made some sense as a in city commuter to avoid running an idling engine.
Prius made sense if you live inside a gridlock city or commute into one. I live in the country, don't commute to work, save the planet by not daily driving, so a Fiesta was half the price, for the same thing. Not problem one in 125k mi and six years. 450 mile range for $25 in fuel. Tesla was still stringing us along last time I bought a car, and the Leaf was useless to me, or I would have bought it.
Even when the engine is on, the electric part helps it along. So the overall fuel economy is better than pure gasoline cars.
MegaRooikat. All true. But based on fuel per mile not by much for the 1st gen Hybrids. 1kw of battery is only 2-3miles in a complete EV. Therefore over a 300-400 mile run on a tank, that adds up to 1% average assist with regen braking factored in. Regen braking is really just a modest extender in avg interstate/dual carriageway trip conditions since they are mostly flat.
My wife was given a Fusion plugin hybrid (loaner), that was 20kw and it could roll 20-35 miles on the EV gen alone, then the motor would kick in. So it was designed as a EV commuter and a gasoline trip car in one and a very comfortable car vs a T3 or Bolt. That is the right vehicle for some people, where an EV wouldn't fit.
I would not sweat it. You have choices as a consumer and may choose which product you wish. It is not a religion, it is an appliance. Most EV buyers are not really motivated by Captain Planet goals anyway.
Also remember most who preach the gospel of clean energy, global disaster or pending doom: do so by flying around in wide body jets, meeting in committees all over the world in person, when a webmeet would do, riding to the big lecture in a limo, having a bicoastal romantic partner they see every other weekend, .... Al Gore, to the GNDers, to Niki here....
All while telling you not to consume, pollute, and to take a train. Food for thought.
S Tho seen Uber’s go faster than 7mph on electric.. maybe you need to check that 7mph idea
Good luck charging if you live in a flat or a house with no drive..
People look @Rav4 AWD 40 MPG Hybrid !! Awesome 👍
Stanley Kania. People look 4x4 Diesel BMW 55mpg absolutely great, get real Toyota are taking the piss with their self charging car, theirs no such thing, they are useing a petrol engine to generate electricity to power electric motors, this is conning people on a grand scale and it's time trading standards looked into this deception. It's Not an electric car at all it's a petrol powered car and it should be sold as such.
Now I know. The skill of the advertisement writer!
Hahaha I enjoy your videos! I have a 2015 Leaf and it is enough to get me back and forth from work and run errands before I charge at night - love Electric cars - I will eventually buy a new one that has longer range. Thanks again!
It’s a well-known fact that main stream car buyers know very little about ANY car!
OMG!!!! Loved the video. Awesome humor.
Anyone want to buy my magic flying suit? You simply jump out the window in it and you fly straight down.
Ha! "Little fans... that spin..." I didn't know I was getting a primer on thermodynamics. Lol.
I was hoping they put in a mr fusion
Energy cannot be created - only transferred. I have not heard that in a long time. Thanks for a very informative video.
Thank you so much for your honesty, I never liked dishonest marketing spinoff in fact I am sick of it.
A very good channel thank you.
That same law applies to BEV vehicles.
The electricity going into the battery has to come from somewhere.
In some places it's green, in most places it's not and in some places, electricity is either intermittent to none so much so that they can't even power a telephone and gas stations have a hand-cranked pump.
Brilliant salesmanship. State the obvious, and use it to sell more cars. Next years models will be engineered to use gravity to help hold your car on the highway as you go around a curve, TOYOTA YOU'VE Done it AGAIN!
Hey, I want one of those gravity assisted cars. I don't want to fly off the road as I turn a corner.
The context that you ignore in dissing hybrids is that they are an interim technology leading to a fully electric future where the electricity grid isn't mainly powered by fossil fuels. (yes, I drive a toyota hybrid)
Kudos for doing such an awesome job explaining how the Toyota Hybrid works! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I smell opportunists suing Toyota
Hey Nikki !! Please don't switch to gas!! Stick to saying petrol!!
Yes, there are cars that actually run on gas. Unlike petrol cars.
@@clothearednincompoop absolutely. In india many cities mandate that taxis, three wheeler rickshaw, buses must run on CNG to get rid of diesel combustion fumes. That was a good transient step for reducing diesel fumes.
So yes. Making distinction between petrol and " gas" engines is always good :p
As an apartment dweller, I like the concept and new technology. Since I can't charge at home, it is nice to have an ICE car. However, I want to switch to electric. The hybrid, if it can be charged at a charging station, is perfect. When possible, I could charge at a charging station, either because I am in the area for something else; or, I could take my bike or a good book and go for a ride or read my book while I wait. I hadn't thought about hybrids because of the snobbish attitude of early adopters. But, I see now that a hybrid is the perfect compromise for my next car, since I live in an apartment with no electrical hook-ups. Thanks for explaining how they work!
How do you guys feel about Polestar? Have you guys (@TransportEvolved) made any videos on them yet?
Title need to be " here how a hybrid works"
But regardless, they are more efficient than ICE only counter parts. My 2019 RAV4 hybrid gets 40mpg, my gfs 2018 gas only RAV4 gets 25mpg.
@@markplott4820 If you keep being pretentious and oblivious about others needs you will never get the kind of EV adoption you are looking for.
@@markplott4820 I don't understand why EV purists have to hate hybrids. For most people, EVs are still not feasible. Until charging infrastructure improves radically, and costs come down to comparable ICE prices, I think hybrids are a good in-between. Don't be so snobby about it. This is part of the reason sustainable energy technology gets a negative connotation.
The Audi A3 hatchback etron Plug-In hybrid system that’s been out for years, does actually charge your batteries while you drive ( self charging ). Once fully charged you can switch to fully EV mode. Once batteries are empty the car switches back to the ICE and starts to recharge the batteries again. The batteries give you about 20 miles in EV mode. The Only system of its kind. Would have taken off if it got more EV Miles I think.
Noup, almost all plug-in hybrids have a mode to charge the batteries with ICE, even Toyota Prius Prime. Reason for that is to have the electricity when you approach a city or area you need to use only electric propulsion. That's NOT something you gain any economical advantage from.
I find myself admiring the older videos on this channel more and more daily.
There seems to be a sense of energy which i find lacking in terms of speaking endlessly about the topic Today
Also, i do enjoy a blazer on top of any shirt which just feels more presentable.
Yep same old snake oil recipe. 👍
Regardless of what this video says, I've had my corolla hybrid for a month now and it's done more miles per tank than my previous 2016 VW 1.6 DTI ever did, with less poisoning emissions, and only costs me 42 quid to fill up the tank. Less fumes, less money, more mileage.
Yep you are correct. I own a Toyota Camry 2016 and I get 1,000 Ks per tank (54 lt) in 40C in the outback at 100 kph. When it runs on EV mode I was convinced to purchase my Nissan Leaf. Now we Leaf around town (90% of the heavy lifting) and Hybrid long trips. So thanks Toyota Australia but that is our last Toyota (No EVs). Pity mine was not the Self Charging Model. Yes my Leaf is charged from the sun that shines on my Solar and Battery System (Well most of the time, a little rain has to fall some times. People always want to go for a ride in the Leaf, No one has ever wanted a ride in the Hybrid.
I think I'll go break the windows of a Toyota dealer showroom today :)
Lol. Thanks Nikki for taking us back to physics 101 and the laws of energy conservation. I'll definitely save this video for those self charging EV folks
A perpetual motion machine!
A world first for Toyota. LOL
Don't think Toyota ever advertised with those words.
The best way to think about the "self-charging" is the battery is a sponge that absorbs the energy from braking/coasting then the idea is to feed that energy directly to propulsion the VERY NEXT time you pull off from any stop, that's it. Now while you have this electrical back and forth system with some (small) storage capacity you can power HVAC system, electric power steering, etc while the engine is off at traffic lights for no loss of convenience, car pulls off on electric power bringing gas power as required. 5 yr owner, 3800lb car, 42mpg over 75k miles! Basically an ICE vehicle with regenerative braking. EV's with ICE backup and EV's are totally different animals and cannot be compared. The blessing of the early "hybrids" was the development of the eCVT with it's planetary gear set as a torque splitting device. That was genius, a way to blend the output of two distinct, variable torgue sources seamlessly and flow energy both directions, from stop to maximum velocity! I recommend Weber State website TH-cam videos on the development of the eCVT transmissions, inverters, batteries with complete tear downs. No clutches, no metal belts, no torque converter, nothing slipping, nothing engaging, disengaging. Genius I say, Genius! Application of the IGBT's in the inverter/motor controller wasn't shabby! 😂
So they’re just more efficient brake pads.
Jebediah Kerman
You're exactly right. They do their regenerative braking thingy with electric components but that's it. We can still thank them for battery development, exquisite motor speed controls using IGBT's, good stuff.
It is self charging. When you apply the brakes the energy is transferred through 2 or 3 generators to the traction battery...it depends if you have a 2 wheel or all wheel drive.
I can't even talk people into electric lawnmowers and new ones work just fine.
Bringing back CAFE standards would help the change a lot and would be more fairer than EV subsidies.
It depends on the size of the lawn, but generally electric lawnmowers cost 2-4x as much as a comparable gasoline lawnmower and have shorter runtimes than a tank of gas that can be refueled in seconds. I don’t see electric lawnmowers being superior to gasoline ones for at least 10 years. But EV’s are all ready superior to gasoline cars in most use cases today.
@@ericspda I have an electric lawn mower, and love it. I have two batteries. One charges in the time it takes to run the other down. Last time that I mowed, I didn't have to switch them out. But my yard is only about 200ft by 200ft. Sure, you can fuel a gas mower in seconds, but first you have to go get it at the station. I switch batteries in seconds, I don't change oil, and push button start. Maybe I'm just lazy, but I'm not going back to gas for lawn mowing.
Jeff Stewart I don’t disagree an electric lawnmower can be a superior mowing experience to a conventional mower. But the cost to make a great electric lawnmower right now is too significant for the average consumer. $200 is about what people expect to pay for a new mower. A decent electric mower is significantly more than that, and you’d typically need to buy extra batteries for a medium size lawn at significant expense. Plus the added uncertainty of the life of the batteries makes it difficult for most people that can’t manage to save a few hundred bucks. Best I can tell, most people don’t do oil changes in lawnmowers and they last 10+ years. And if you care for the mower it can last 20+ years. I think you’d be lucky to get 5 years out of a current gen electric mower. It’s not that you can’t make a great electric mower, it just costs more than consumers are willing to pay. I know two people with electric lawnmowers, and they both complain about the runtime even with a small lawn. They both say they can’t cut their small lawns on one charge. Now, they did buy cheap ones that are clearly inadequate, but still, it’s a real issue for the average clueless consumer that buys on price.
@@ericspda I'll agree with you on the price for sure. I work at a store where, after having been there 30+ years, I receive a sizable in-store Christmas bonus. If not for that, I doubt that I would have forked over my hard earned money. Although, now that I have a taste for it, I probably would. Also, you maybe right about the longevity of the electric mower, I haven't had it that long. But here's to trying something new.
@@ericspda I didn't think about price ,,, I looked on the website I got it from and the electric I got is about the same price as gas this year ... last year it may have been different ... as for the batteries .. I have the same brand batteries from a trimmer from 2013 and have not seen any power loss .. But nothing to measure it with other than use ... used that one in the chain saw and tiller too
But ya .. those batteries are like $100 so if they do die that would be a bite .. But no problems so far ... knock on lithium
Two drawbacks ... The big battery that came with it is about half a tank of gas ... I only ever need half a tank so no problem for me .. both are self propelled and I am on a hill
Other drawback ... The electric has two speeds to save power ... it automatically shifts higher when it needs more power ... problem: it doesn't suck leaves stuck deep in the grass like it would at high speed and no button to switch speeds ... The gas only had the one high speed ... That is only a first spring now issue though
I beg to differ with your idea that Toyota is playing the sales game. Saying a car is self charging car does not to imply the energy is being magically created. The only thing Toyota has done is describe in a more definitive way what a hybrid does to conserve energy. Most people have no idea how this works but they do understand the 58/53/56 mpg, city/highway/combined of the Prius. Also most drivers don't want to be limited to the range of an all electric car. Three hundred miles of range, searching for a charging station, and a having to wait for the battery to charge is not my idea of a road trip.
So, you just prefer to pay for oil, for services, for transmission, for ware of the engine and for all the crap that comes along with owning an internal combustion vehicle?
I like your reviews and videos
This is the first time I've heard/understood the strategy of running the engine at an optimum speed and harvesting the extra power.
I don't understand why EV purists have to hate hybrids. For most people, EVs are still not feasible. Until charging infrastructure improves radically, and costs come down to comparable ICE prices, I think hybrids are a good in-between. Don't be so snobby about it. This is part of the reason sustainable energy technology gets a negative connotation.
Tesla's are self charging too, regenerative braking.
I bought an 18 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid because my wife wanted the better gas mileage and I absolutely love it but discovered a few startling facts while shopping. In my part of the country folks just aren't interested in hybrids. They know little about the, you see very few of them. My dealer had about 50 RAV4s on the lot and you go on the golf cart ride to pick one. I see a RAV4 hybrid and told him to stop. One out of fifty. He didn't even know he had a hybrid. The build sheet said it was built in Japan in Oct17 as an 18 model and I bought it in April 18. Even if it got to his lot in Dec 17 it was still there four months later. I got some discount on it but was really amazed that the sales manager and salesman just treated it like any other RAV4 and gave me a good discount and excellent financing to move it. It was well equipped with the options I wanted except for leather seats but that is ok. I agree with the video, most folks will give you a weird look if you ask them what a hybrid is.
A high percentage of sales people know very little about automotive technology. They see cars about the same way a typical customer does: external and interior styling and what is it like to drive...........I have known folks who bought a car and never lifted the hood..........You would think Toyota sales staff and the management would promote their hybrid cars, but some don't have a clue. You got lucky. Honda sells a hybrid CR-V in other countries but not offered here. I'll bet most Honda sales folks have no clue there is a hybrid CR-V eventually coming to North America....maybe as a 2020. Right now Toyota has the advantage of a hybrid RAV4, but that may change when the hybrid CR-V shows up.............if the ding dong dealers promote the vehicle. There are many parts of US and Canada where hybrids are few........no shortage of pickup trucks and big SUV. CA, OR, WA lead the way in hybrid ownership. As 4-wheel drive hybrids are added to the mix I expect some of the snow-belt states to purchase more hybrids. Are you in a snow-belt state?
Excellent, hit the nail on the head there, I was actually asked recently by someone about why they didn't harvest energy on the back wheels into another battery then use that when the first one ran out... It was a genuine question and I just didn't know where to start explaining the issues. I don't think hybrids are a bad idea, you get the nice EV experience and the security of an ICE in case you need to go further. They need to look at using the ICE purely for electricity generation and therefore completely optimise it for a set engine speed, much like some trains and diesel-electric mining trucks.
BMW already do that with the i3 Max & they also use an electric plug for transferring energy to the battery.
The reason for the recent adoption of self charging hybrid is NOT to “cash in on a demand for EVs”. It is actually correct the misunderstanding among some people who may be considering hybrid, but are put off because they think (wrongly) it has to be plugged in. We know this from researching customers.
Hybrid is now widely known as a fuel and tax efficient powertrain - car web sites report year on year search for “hybrid” up 300% after a similar increase the previous year - but not everyone knows how it works. Despite 20years of ever increasing sales in the UK, hybrids of any age make up less than 5% of the cars on the roads so the message in the marketing has evolved to meet the current need.
The generator to transfer electrical charge is expensive and its more than the price of the car.So what can you save.
If the generator breakdown the cost of the generator is about $6000.00
No kudos for the devious marketeer that came up with this.
I think you need to understand that gasoline motors are inefficient in low speeds. So if you can run an electric motor at low speeds and use the gasoline motor at higher speeds and you do the change seamlessly you have a good setup for efficient driving. That’s the whole idea and it’s a good one!
Thank you I loved it
This video seems unnecessarily sarcastic and too harsh on Toyota.
The marketing is targeted to people wanting to be more environmentally friendly or wanting the comfort of EV driving while not wanting or not being able to deal with the hassles of battery charging. Toyota's hybrid are currently the best option in that sense I believe.
Toyota has the most efficient internal combustion electric hybrid engine out there. They basically cut energy losses by simplifying the engine. There is no clutch, there is no gearbox (in the traditional sense), there is no chain or belt. The video explains very well that the main point of the hybrid system is to keep the ICE running at its most efficient RPMs most of the time and compensate with the motor/generator to achieve the requested driving speed. What was not mentioned is that the engine can automatically switch between Atkinson and Otto cycles, depending on power demand. It also doesn't mention that accelerating the car from a standstill position is also greatly more efficient than a a classical engine system because there is no clutch. Also, I mentioned there isn't a gearbox, the hybrid system works as an electric CVT - which is a sort of linear gearbox where for each transmission RPM the engine always provides its peak torque, making it the most efficient "gearbox" you can have.
The Toyota's hybrid system is a marvel of engineering, it reduces energy losses in pretty much all the aspects of a traditional ICE system while simplifying the system at the same time. It's no wonder we see Priuses ou there beating the 1.000.000 mile threshold.
Also, Toyota's hybrid system is more efficient than any pure electric drive vehicle that uses an ICE for charging the battery. Why? Because in most cases it's more efficient to use the rotational force of the ICE to turn the wheels directly than converting that rotational energy into electricity to power the electric drive only to be converted back into rotational energy to rotate the wheels.
Therefore, I believe people not wanting or that are unable to charge car batteries, Toyota's hybrid cars are the best option for them.
Disclaimer: I own a Lexus CT200h, which has a Gen3 Toyota hybrid. This is the best car I ever owned, I do in average 4.8L/100km of fuel consumption (city and highway combined driving), while maintaining immediate throttle pedal responsivity when needed.
Looking forward to the new generations of turbo charged Toyota hybrids!
@@b4804514 I don't care about what you think. You make random assertions as if they implied any causality.
Go learn about Toyota's hybrid drivetrain before wasting my time with uninformed and highly speculative statements.
EDIT: for the other readers, don't trust what that guy is saying, a Lexus spokesman said the Lexus CT line will be continued on 2020 with a new version likely based on the newer turbocharged hybrid engine found in the new Corolla hybrid. The Lexus CT is a best selling car within the Lexus hybrid lineup and the entry point model for the Lexus brand. It makes little sense Lexus is killing that model.
Thanks Angelo, great answer, I found more information in your statement than what I could found on the Toyota flayers!
Toyota is a slow learner.
If it isn't broken don't try to fix it
Their profit margins would indicate otherwise...
I like the advert. Hybrids are a step in the right direction. Not all cars can be full BEV overnight
Very well presented.
EDUCATIONAL AND INFORMATIVE.
even an old lay person like me understood the message well.
Why such a negative look? Hybrid is the type of vehicle. To make sure the difference between a plug in hybrid and a regular hybrid is clear, a "self charging" hybrid is a great description everybody understands. People who choose this type of hybrid are still doing more for the climate and environment than someone who chooses a regular diesel or petrol version. This video started out great, but went downhill fast.
I still get plenty of people asking me in my Zoe is a hybrid when I say I have an electric car. Update - last night I told someone I had an electric car, he said 'is it a Toyota?' - aaarrgh
Best video so far. I like this type of commenting. Sarcastic, caustic and realistic. Reminds me of Marek. Please continue this way. Thanks.
Thank you very much, I was really looking into buying one (was being the give away word) lol
Sucks to be behind, Toyota!
Nice try.
Damn this grammar so weird!
You conveniently fail to mention that a plug in electric gets its energy from a coal, natural gas or nuclear plants. Huge amounts of energy loss from generation to the outlet. Toyota’s method is just as efficient if not more so. Huge range which means longer trips without worry or having to go out of your way to refuel, which by the way require a huge infrastructure that doesn’t exist. Many plugins are low range which means you need a second vehicle to go anywhere.
A plugin electric gets its energy from the grid which can be a blend of fossil fuel, renewable or nuclear. Even assuming for the sake of your argument that it was coal it is still far more efficient at generating power than a gasoline engine. The typical thermal efficiency for a coal plant is 55-60% vs 25-30% in a gasoline engine, i.e. a car loses 70-75% of its energy as heat. And energy increasingly comes from renewables.
Second, hybrids have a tiny battery, enough to crawl a mile or so. As soon as you pick up speed or exceed that range its gasoline again. Gasoline is the default with electricity taking the edge off consumption. A plugin hybrid can run in an all-electric mode for 20-30 miles. Electricity is the default and some people won't even use gasoline.
So no, a hybrid isn't more efficient than a PHEV. Toyota are muddying the waters with "self charging" BS, and other nonsense such as hydrogen cars. They're not the only ones doing this terms like "mild hybrid" are appearing too, but they're certainly the most prominent.
It’s more efficient to generate the electricity at a coal plant, send it over the power grid and into an EV battery than it is to generate electricity with a tiny gasoline motor. Significantly more efficient
All one has to do is look at what Toyota is able to accomplish with the RAV4 Hybrid. It is highly efficient (41 MPG) and has good power for almost every normal conceivable use. It's MPG outclasses it's gas RAV4 equivalent and other crossovers in the class. While we have so many crossovers getting 25 MPG (on a good day) I applaud Toyota for bringing to market a vehicle that makes sense for most of us. Toyota RAV4 Hybrid LE $28K. For many BEVs simply do not make sense.
She's pretty smart and understands it well. It's not self charging but basically capturing wasted energy and reusing it as needed. Nets a bit of efficiency over non hybrid.