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Microsoft Flight 2020 What HOTAS Should You Get? | Thrustmaster T16000M or T.Flight Hotas X
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- Flight simulators were the first game I can’t remember playing hours upon hours. I have always enjoyed flight Sims and aviation. But since Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator I haven’t been into them all that much. Recently I discovered DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) which is amazing and free which is amazing and yes you should go try it. Also Microsoft new flight simulator is ground breaking, and I’m sure many will be logging on to their first simulator come launch. In order to get the best experience from a flight simulator you need a HOTAS (hands on throttle and stick), but figuring out which one is best for you isn’t easy. The prices of HOTAS can go from cheap to astronomical. Lucky for you I have a entry level model and a mid-range model from Thrustmaster and today I’m going to try and help you decide which one is the best fit for you. Today we look at the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X and the Thrustmaster T16000M along with their matching rudder pedals.
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T16000M FCS Hotas “stick and throttle”
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T16000M FCS Flight Pack “stick, throttle and rudder pedals”
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T.Flight HOTAS X has the bump in the middle so you know when your at 0, before you engage reverse thrusters in sims such as Elite: Dangerous.
Yeah but airplane sims don't have reverse thrust, so it's a really dumb solution because even in space sims it doesn't work well.
@@j.d.4697 but airplane games do have reverse trust
@@j.d.4697 lmao “doesn’t work well”. It’s one of the main reasons I don’t switch to another hotas from the t-flight
@@j.d.4697 you do realize reverse thrust is very important in space sims right? in normal flight sims is barely useful
@@j.d.4697 You do realize that most people who fly airliners in flight sim use reverse thrust on most landings? I know I do, and trust me, that bump wouldn't be on my list of complaints.
I'll definitely buy one in 2089 when they're finally in stock again.
I’m waiting too.... I’m starting to think it may be ‘till 2150....
I bought the thrustmaster flight hotas x on ebay, all new. Pretty lucky since their all sold out until 2312
@@Mortax Just ordered my T.16000M from box.co.uk just back in stock yesterday. Set up email alerts, arriving tomorrow.
i just bought the cheaper one lol, can't wait to use it for christmas!
Jesus loves you ❤
From personal experience, I can also say the Hotas X is very durable, have had mine for ~8-9 years and still works completely.
lol mine started having problems after like 7 months
Mine has developed drift within 3 hours of use (PS4 version). Back it goes.
@@BluCat86 Sorry to hear, like i said it was personal experience. Maybe they've dropped some standards over the years.
I have had a HOTAS X for 4 years myself. Still works great. Although I am now upgrading because I want the better stick control of the T16000. And it has more buttons.
Fuserox The replacement seems to be from a better batch! :)
The bump on the thrust master throttle is meant for engaging afterburner
So when you hit the bump, that is supposed to be 100% on say, a ww2 plane?
@@IamRyanLPs I would think anything more is wep
@@TgWaKu Hey you're still alive after a year, cool. I might just buy one as the price is so right, although you can get the Thrustmaster T.16000M with just the stick for the same price.
Fellow Air Force crew chief here. Thanks for the vid man!
I Just got the cheaper one for SW Squadrons and I like it a lot. It made the game easier and more enjoyable for me, so I’m extremely happy with it 💯👍🏻
I picked up the Hotas X from a Thrift Shop today, for $12. I was thinking about Flight Simulator 2020, but I'm even more stoked to play Squadrons with it.
I’ll be using an Atari joystick
:p
One button is plenty.
laxmannate07 could you actually use that
same
omg that's priceless xD
Perfect vid for me rn because I am at the crossroads between these two controllers
Saaame and it's only a few days till MFS is released!!
@@Brukn0ws *weeks
This is very nice commentary. This is what I come here for
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I have owned both of these setups. The cheap one is amazing for 49 dollars US. It is also one of the only HOTAS setups that will work on an Xbox. It is a good unit and perfectly acceptable for the new flight simulation enthusiast. The T16K is a classic. My first one lasted over 5 years of daily use. Unfortunately the replacement unit lasted only about 30 days until the Yaw axis developed an intermittent massive error. Further research indicates this is a well known problem which TM has not addressed. Anyone who purchases this kit would do well to purchase an extended warranty. I personally loved the T16K for years but I would not recommend that anyone purchase one before Thrust Master addresses their quality control issues.
Unfortunately that's Thrustmaster for you. Goddamn Frenchie, some of their sim racing wheels have similar issues, a great shame as their products are often extremely good at their price point. Still I'd rather spend £100 and get a duffer than a couple of grand and still get a duffer from a competitor who then takes 3 months to send a replacement that doesn't even work out of the box.
Thanks! I've been thinking about the T16000M for awhile and you just helped me make my decision. Very informative and great personal insight on the difference between the two !
How’s it been after a year
And now these have tripled in price .
Option 3, VKB NXT. Don’t waste your money on thrustmaster trash.
@@gasser5001 I have thrust master stuff and for its price point it’s really good
@@frostyvr9805 I had the hotas x fail on me quickly (sensors in the stick got seriously flakey).
Not impressed with at least the entry level.
My brother has the Warthog and loves it.. but until COVID subsides and allows the supply chain to fill, we're talking 800ish for one of those setups (sorry, no).
R King oh I’ve had my wheel for three years, my pedals for 2 and my stick for 1 and the only problem I’ve ever had was some dust messing with a sensor on my clutch pedals because the lubricant got old
@@frostyvr9805 Very good result for you.. I think the problems with the thrustmaster products aren't 'all joysticks produced', but rather a quality problem that only shows up in a percentage of shipped product. If you look at reviews of the products on amazon you'll see quite a few reports of bad product for both HOTAS setups reviewed here.. but that could be due to only a 1% failure rate, or a 50% failure rate (impossible to know the actual rate of issues among shipped joysticks). I certainly got caught by it.. but this doesn't mean the next one will be bad.
Anyways.. happy joysticking!
I just got informed that the new Star Wars squadrons will be playable with this thing,that’s why I want one.
Same! Plus the vr supports got me frothing at the mouth
What joystick will squadrons be playable with? Because I want one to make it even more realistic
@@atomictoast4842 they havent said for sure yet but they will most likely announce it soon :)
SaveDudeurcar4: thanks 👍
@@atomictoast4842 If they have any resemblance of a brain, they'll make it work with all Joysticks and HOTAS systems (and maybe HOSAS's too).
i play elite dangerous, that bump is all the thing i need to buy the cheap one.
(space ship can do reverse)
You can bind a button to switch throttle to reverse thrust instead of needing a middle stop. I also remember finding a better throttle with more range and middle stop, don't remember brand and model.
It's a fantastic HOTAS, to be sure. The reason I went with the T.16000M FCS HOTAS after about 2 years with the HOTAS X was that it didn't have enough controls for my taste. The T.16000M FCS HOTAS has 9 programmable axes (I only use 8, mind, but it's enough) and 30 buttons (29 if you use one for a shift, giving you 58 buttons' worth of controls) as opposed to the 12 (22 with a shift) of the HOTAS X. And you can add the detent with magnets and epoxy if you so wish. In the end, you like what you like, but it's something to think about.
zacao same in some planes you can revers
2x T16000M is the shit for Elite.
@@adriankoch964 Why 2?
T flight 4 was my first hotas, then i moved on and tried some Saitek/Logitech sticks. Had both the X52 and X56. At the end of the day, i sold them both and got myself another TF hotas 4. Its not fancy, but the ergonomics and button placement are absolutely perfect for elite dangerous, and with a keyboard in between, theres nothing you cant do with it. Im in my 3rd one now. I view them as consumable hardware at this point. I can get about 4000 hours out of them before the drift becomes too much
As somebody with Virpil, VKB and MFG gear that's eyeing up a RealSimulator stick and base I got a good laugh out of the thumbnail for the video - but credit given where credit due, it got me to watch the video!
I'm going to go with VKB sim, heard too many horror stories with Thrustmaster HOTAS I'm avoiding like the plague
6:00 didn't know about this, now my throttle has become buttery smooth from being super sticky. TY! :D
Same here I am looking into these videos becuase my z axis for the joystick and throttle have been acting up
Don't order from Amazon, their prices are way inflated from the limited availability. Just wait until they restock
6 months from now
Option 3, VKB NXT. Don’t waste your money on thrustmaster trash.
@@wolfshanze5980 it’s been 6 months I’ve been waiting
still fucking waiting...
@@gasser5001 Your finances are obviously fine. Your attitude, however, needs work. Lots of work. I hope you're still young enough to be able to mature.
The bump in the mid throttle is so you can cruise at a steady speed, I find it really handy. On ace combat 7 it keeps your speed at 599
If anyone is after a first class rudder pedal set and is willing to pay a bit more for quality, they should checkout MFG Crosswind. Nothing comes close and dealing with them is a pleasure. This is produced by a flight sim enthusiast who got sick of the plastic garbage on offer and decided to make his own at his small custom furniture workshop. The build quality is first class and the driver software WORKS, end of story, It WORKS. I have no affiliation with them, I'm just a very happy customer and will always sing my praises to promote it. This is the sort of company flight sim enthusiasts should support. We should support our own kind. Maybe we can convince him that he is wasted making furniture and he might design some other goodies for us. Well done MFG.
Go with the dearer of the two. The Hotas X is great yes, until the stick drift issues start. All depends on the game/ simulation your playing some are more forgiving than others. But but the X and within a year you'll most likely be looking to upgrade. Microsoft 2020 however seems very forgiving on what controllers you use from gamepad upwards. Where as other flight sims certainly aren't.
I own the Hotas X and been looking at getting a new flight stick for MFSim2020 so I like this video. However, I am curious how this would do with a space game where reverse thrust is used a lot. Like with the Hotas X i know i am in neutral when i hit that bump.
I have the Hotas X and it's great for flying considering the cheap price. My combat flying in Arma III has really improved. Good luck shooting me out of the sky!
I've been using a Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS since the early 2000s. Still works great, and I've used it within the last 24 hours to fly F-16s in both DCS and Falcon BMS 4.35.
Thank you very much for the review comparison! I've picked up myself a T.1600m and I'm looking forward to flight sim 2020 soon!
How you liking it with mfs2020?
@@overratedprogrammer been loving it so far the improved tracking of motion compare the Logitech extreme 3d pro is just indescribable. the joystick is just a breeze and joy to use.
Price vs quality I think the thrustmaster TM16000m & Hotas is a great buy. The only regret I have is not purchasing the foot peddles. Prices are way out of control right now. I paid less then a $100 USD for the hotas and yoke this time last year.
For those curious the answer is neither. The T16000m is famous for breaking if you use and the T flight sucks. If you want to get quality get something from VKB. If you want decent and cheap get an X52. Downside to VKB quality is they are always out of stock and don't yet have a commerical version of the throttle.
You helped refuel my B-52, fellow Crew Chief 😎
Just a note: TWCS throttle is fairly close copy of the F/A-18 Hornet one including the button layout - the real one is of course dual as Hornet is twin-engine airplane
A simple mod on the tflight throttle allows you to remove the bump entirely takes about 10 minutes
Link please 🙏
Literally just upgraded this year from the T.Flight Hotas X to the Thrustmaster T16000M!! What a coincidence these came in my feed!!
While he's right about the throttle being a bit sticky, he's totally wrong about using lithium grease. Over time it will damage the plastic and eventually it will break. Use a silicone based grease that's safe for plastics. Do a TH-cam or Google search for this issue and there's a number of videos and threads on how to fix it.
RIP my throttle you speak truth
@@MajorHardware Yeeeah.. When you said you used Lithium grease on the sliders a little part of me died inside.
@@MajorHardware it's not world ender. Just get silicon based grease and clean it up properly before applying the better one. Especially the throttle doesn't have much to break about it. Stick on the other hand...
Axises ❌
Axes ✅
Sort of like radii
@@deadlybladesmith3093 Or penii. 😑
axises❌
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Somehow he made it through an engineering program and never picked up on that.
Axises ❌
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Exercises✅
The T-flight's thruster bump is perfect for elite dangerous! Lock it in middle to stop thrusters and no more guessing exact position of zero.
I used the PS4 version of the HOTAS X (HOTAS 4) with Elite Dangerous and I CANNOT play with a controller anymore. Recently started playing on PC and FUCK Keyboard & Mouse. I ordered the T16000M and it should be arriving on Thursday. I'm looking forward to getting back into Elite Dangerous once the T16000m comes in
In Elite, you should probably set your throttle to forward only and just use one of the buttons to switch to reverse mode. You pull the throttle all the way back and there's no guessing the exact position of zero. It' also gives you more control since the entire range of your throttle is only 1 direction.
@@the_omg3242 I recently got the T16000m and can confirm forward only is the best method
Realised I had a Hotas X laying around in my room that I haven't touched since I bought
why not
@@MajorHardware I bought a T16000M (just the stick) tried to play War Thunder, didnt touch the thing anymore :c looks like in war thunder( more arcady game ) controller is just better i guess... even in Simulator Battle. I noticed when i fly with the stick, the plane starts to drift to one side and up, tried with last tier MIG, also the same thing, cus i tought it was because of the older plane proppeler pulling to one side.
Then i tried DCS, and the same happened.
Idk what am i doing wrong, it's calibrated right, but i cant figure out what it is, am i supposed to always compensate while mid flight with the stick?
As you might have noticed, im very new to flight sim, always wanted to get in, but never understood much. Hope to hear something from someone experienced players.
BTW Good video major. o7
@@AltoBo123 propeller troque. Counter it with opposing rudder
@@AltoBo123 that's what trim is for, an airplane will naturally drift in flight without either constant control input or trim input to counteract, Trim is butter though because it essentially will reset the center point of the stick so that way you don't have to physically move the stick to compensate.
@@terraoftime He is talking most likely about single engine piston aircraft. That really needs right rudder input for takeoff. But twin engine aircraft should not.
For everyone thinking about buying the T16000m FCS (the left one in the video). I use it for two and a half years now and i am impressed by its precision and amount of buttons of the throttle. In sensitive games like DCS it is often enough to barely move it (simply increasing the force on the stick) and the aircraft starts reacting.
Unfortunately from factory the throttle comes a bit stiff, mine even squeeked a little as i moved it forward and backwards. But once you adjust the front and add some kind of silicon lubricant stuff, it works fine. Running it on Bearings would be more pleasant though. The first bug accured two weeks ago, so the joystick yaw axis was far off center and constantly held the rudder of the aircraft pointing right. A simple pull out, shut down-unplug-boot up-back in-calibration fixed it though :D
I really like, that if the game supports it, you can map multiple layers of functions on every button on stick and throttle by assigning one button of choice as a modifier ( for example i mapped all buttons on my throttle with radar and weaponry in DCS, while i can use the exact same buttons for landing gear, flaps and other stuff as i hold the previously assigned modifier button. I heard there is even a thrustmaster software to double map buttons with keyboard commands (counting for every game you play).
After all if anyone wants to buy it, i can recommend it.
I would also add that the T1600m FCS is a great stick and throttle setup that has lasted me for years. definitely worth it if you can afford it ($159.99 right now, ouch!). I stumbled onto a great product that's cheap for anyone who likes their throttle smooth with a little dampening. It's called Energy Suspension, Formula 5 Prelube. I had a small packet left over after a rebuild and didn't want to buy the expensive Nyogel 767a. I decided why not, its a silicone grease and it's easy to clean up. Well it works like a charm and that small packet lasts forever. Just want to share my find with the community so maybe it could help others.
I really hope you make it to atleast a million subs. Your content is quality. Just saw your video on water cooled air cooler. Talk about innovation and creativity.
If you do (and I really hope so), I've been here since 31k subs.
F22 lighting 3 was what I played as a kid, that was a military flight combat game
I loved dropping the nukes.
Thank you your perfect review. spec and all way around covering every bases!
I also started in sim flight on an uncle’s pc. I was hooked from the very start.
There’s so many “that’s what she said” moments in this video. Overall great video 👌🏻
The bump is a benefit for Elite Dangerous. How do people not know this that game is huge and a big reason to get the t flight
Oh yeah was it JANE's ATF you played? That and Falcon series were classic back in the day!
LOve Janes ATF.. the f35 was so overpowered too.. lol
My introduction to flight sims was f29 Retaliator on my Amiga - true classic that 😁
I was thinking it was Chuck Yeagers Advanced Flight Trainer or air combat as it was pretty obscure en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager%27s_Advanced_Flight_Trainer
Played so much Jane's. Still have my box copy. Wish games were still sold with those kind of manuals.
I have been doing Microsoft Flight Sim since 1997. Started on FS95 and on to FSX. I have the H.O.T.A.S X and still love it. I also have FS2020 on pre-order. I may have to upgrade to the one you prefer. Thanks for the information.
Want to skip the video and know the short answer ? NONE. Get yourself a flight yolk. The planes you're flying in Flight Simulator don't even use Joysticks unless they're a military jet or an uncommon civilian plane that uses a stick.
If you buy a yoke you BETTER want to only fly general aviation EVER. If you want to do ANYTHING else hotas is the superior option as it gives you the most options.
I have a TM Warthog and love it. I did have to replace the ring and do a bit of sanding to relieve the striction issue. Mine was never bad but figured while I was in there. It's butter smooth now.
I heard the Warthog is the best one you can get, how is it after this long?
@@SemiCollin I've had mine for a few years now. Still loving it.
@@UnfocusedRacing awesome! I think I’ll save up for it
10 mins of video on whether I should buy the cheaper Thrustmaster setup - or the more expensive Thrustmaster setup. I daresay that this is content that, you know, Thrustmaster definitely likes. Ads are getting smarter... :)
Informative video though, thanks!
I have been using a Thrustmaster T-16000M for years, still works great.
Same, not a warthog or virpil, but the thing is a god damn tank. It gives you a great value for money
Thanks! I have been waiting for a video like this. I have played flight sims since I was a kid. I even made my own cockpit for Microsoft flight sim x back when it was new. Take care in this crisis. I hope you and all your family are safe.
Same for you
The bump is to let you know you’re at 50%
Jet Fighter 3 was my first flight sim. Now you are going to make me get back into flight sims!
I was introduced to combat sim with a game called "Chuck Yeager's Air Combat"
the throttle bump in the middle is great for space games like Star Citizen where reverse throttle is an option
I got the T1600M on sale a couple years ago on sale for 99,99 USD. Great value, definitely recomended.
I remember playing F15 Strike Eagle III, F16, and Warthog with the early hot as. They were fun.
Very well spoken and put together video. You earned my like and subscription 👌🏽
YESS THATS EXACTLY THE VIDEO IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR
The TFlight X is actually worse than the TFlights that they made for the consoles, that would be the TFlight One and the TFlight 4. The older X is actually harder to find, often more expensive than the newer console models. Definitely go with one of those over the X.
Drakon Motredos I’ve decided to go with the thrustmaster TCA
“I was in the Air National Guard and went to school for this”, proceeds to call yaw, roll, several times.
I'll never forget when my brother changed the game speed settings in ww2 flight simulator and smoked my zero with his biplane.
I was never able to get one airplane to take off ✈ I'm seriously too dumb to understand the game. But mannn I'm so excited for flight sim 2020 🤣 and these joysticks 🕹 looks so awesome although I have NO idea what you're saying about all the buttons lololol
@@gumzster i know! I saw many fish 🐟
@@Lindastyle what.
Glad I kept my Hotas X for MS Flight, but more so for Star Wars: Squadrons coming up.
Will the hotas work with Boeing planes in ms 2020?
@@zelooo89 Yes. It works with every plane.
As a previous owner of two X52 Pros (that eventually broke down) and two T16000Ms (which I've eventually sold) I recommend you pick up the T.Flight X. Hands down the best value for the money, decent build quality (much better than what I expected), good protection from dust, effortless plug & play, spring tension adjustment and great ergonomics. I don't get the complaints about the stick precision in this review - there is zero difference between the T.Flight and the T16000M with regards to precision IMHO, and the dead zones really are minimal. Cons are minor - a bit shorter cord between the throttle and stick than I would've liked and only 12 buttons, though you can use whatever button you want as a modifier. I would've also liked to see more resistance in the throttle. The joystick works flawlessly in Elite.
I just bought the T.Flight Hotas 4 for casual VR flying.
DCS is amazing.
I am very pleased. For the money it is a good setup.
Great review. I have the T Flight Hotas but I find the precision a bit off putting at times. However, the way I have it set up is that I use the little axis behind the throttle for looking left and right and it works perfectly when I want to look left or right smoothly inside the cockpit. I wish that it existed on the new Airbus TCA officer pack.
I used to play Chuck Yeager's Air Combat back in the day lol
Me too
I've had the 16000 for about 1 year. Love it. Only gripe is the sensor for the rocker on throttle has started going out. Gets jittery, so I don't use it anymore. Otherwise, good hotas.
You could get a PS4 controller, or XBox One controller. For XPlane however, can't stray away from the good old Force Feedback 2~
"I like it loose" - Major Hardware, 2020
Very interesting, at the height of the pandemic I was looking to get into flight sims but the T16000 with throttle was more expensive than the FCS is today if you could find one. Now into the 2nd ¼ of 2022 I see the price is more or less the same as this video.
Thanks for the review! I play a lot of Elite Dangerous and the T Flight would be great for that game because of the 50% bump. With the T16000 I've seen Elite players upgrade it with an aftermarket magnet inside to stop it at the 50% since Elite players can use it as FWD thrust vs RVR thrust. Plus it's cheap! Ha!
I personaly liked the bump in the middle of the T.Flight Hotas X throttle because i used to play Mech sims like Mechwarrior with this stick. Basically: middle=Standing still, Push forward to move forward, push it backwards to go reverse with the mech.
t16000m is what ive used for 4 years now. Works amazing in every game. Has tons of buttons for DCS. MSFS2020 is a charm on it. Compared to the hotas X the ergonomics are so much more comfortable. If you buy shitty things for flight simming your going to get a worse experience. Dont go out and buy a warthog, but get something mid ranged. I promise you wont regret it. A good hotas is so much more important than trackir. The t16000m without rudder pedals is also a bit cheaper. You dont need em cause the joystick twists, and its less setup compared to with pedals.
Honestly, get the Honeycomb set when it releases later this year. There are way more yoke based aircraft than stick based.
I'd rather have the desk space and cleaner set up.
That is a good idea but this video is more focused on fighting.
Imagine flying an f18 with a yoke. That makes me feel sick
@@JFK_Speedwagon A video about 2020 is focused on fighters? There are no fighters in 2020 and won't be for quite a while - I'm in the alpha.
@@Harry_Ng There isn't an F-18 in 2020. So what's your point?
Very nice :-). Just by name i know ThrustMaster it's supposed to be very good stuff... Now dual joystick like that would be perfect if there was a real machinery simulation like skid steer loaders and other machines and digging machines that have 2 joystick's (real machineries style)
An addendum: As to the rudder pedal functionality with the T.Flight HOTAS X; while it _is_ true that the HOTAS X is not compatible with them, the upgraded version, that is to say, the T.Flight HOTAS One and T.Flight HOTAS 4 (which, as their predacessor, work with PC) _are_ compatible with the T.Flight Rudder Pedals (TFRP). So, this is more of a previous generation drawback. If you're concerned with the pedals, get one of those two. Also, regardless of the model of T.Flight HOTAS, you _are_ able to plug the TFRP (with the provided RJ12 to USB adapter) into a USB port on your computer.
Wow what a Journey you had From Avaition to TH-cam. Thank you for the video
Haven't played a flight sim in ages. Way back I bought a HOTAS setup to use with MechWarrior 2, which turned out to be a less than optimal way to play that game. The HOTAS was programmable with memory for several configurations and buttons all over the place. I spent days tweaking the setup for MW2, including time spent editing the games configuration files as there wasn't any function for changing keybindings, so hacking the config files was the way you configured it. Now the game turned out to have so many controls that I ended up using three configuration banks in the HOTAS to get the most used keys mapped. In the end it turned out to be a nightmare to keep track of which functions was mapped to which profile. Besides in that game you steer the mech body and it's head independently so in the end it was much easier to run it using mouse and keyboard.
After that I spent a lot of time configuring it for a StarWars game that I don't remember the name of. Most of the time you were flying the Millennium Falcon and again there was way more keys used than there were buttons on the HOTAS, but using several banks it was doable. The joystick and throttle worked much better here than in MW2.
After that it wen't unused for a couple of years, and when I tried to get it working again I had forgotten everything about how the programming worked. However what was worse was that the joystick had developed a problem. It was a real old school analog joystick that used potentiometers and when it had been left unused these corroded so there was a small spot where there was no contact. As a result the joystick was basically unusable. This is one thing that won't happen to a joystick that uses hall effect sensors or optical sensors.
Enough about that old hunk of junk. Now given my experiences I'd say you really want to look for something that uses either Hall effect sensors or optical sensors as potentiometers tend to age, and not in a graceful way.
But before you run out and buy a HOTAS setup make sure you really want one and that whatever you are going to use it with supports it. Some flight simulators can be a bit picky about the controls. Also if you are all about simulation and know you won't be flying any fighters then you might be interested in looking at a flight yoke instead of a HOTAS with a joystick. It is more specialized but still might be what you really are looking for.
So I saw this video a few days ago and I gathered that for my budget I should probably go with the x because I wasn’t sure if I was going to enjoy it. Well I went on Amazon and ordered it for 59.99. To my surprise I did not receive the Hotas x, instead I received the t16000m😂. I am really enjoying and am seriously doubting if I would’ve with the x. Thanks for the video.
I hope you figured out the name of the combat flight sim, but in case you didn't here's a couple from back in the day that might help you out.
- Jane's IAF
- F22 Lightning 2
- Mig 29 Fulcrum
- A-10 Tank Killer
- Comanche 2
- F-16 Fighting Falcon
Worth mentioning: The T.Flight Hotas X's joystick twist axis starts to drift towards the left after while. It's actually quite severe too. Even after using 3rd party software to make a deadzone its hard to control my yaw at times cause it's all over the place. This isn't an isolated incident either, I looked it up and it's a known issue with the model. The T.16000 is a much better choice.
I’ve got a HOTAS and use it on FSX and x-plane. I’m a casual sim-er, I’m planning to do more when new ms flight sim comes out. Had about 30hrs of flight training and have flown solo winch launch glider. I can fit a full size keyboard (Logitech g810) between the stick and throttle. Good piece of kit.
I bought the warthog and i really like it!
I still have my Cougar. Best investment ever for gaming. Works for all flight sims and if someone breaks in i can use it as a weapon because of the weight.
I really wish I could grab one, but now that the game is out I gotta put the cash towards getting more memory cause 16gb barely cuts it for msfs, and a gtx1080 chugs on medium
Hotas X has a rather large and noticeable deadzone, you can get used to it, but it's why you would've experienced difficulties with precision.
I’ve had the T16000m for a couple of years now. Out of the box the spring on the joystick was too stiff, so I opened it up & shortened the spring with cable ties (tutorials on TH-cam).
Another problem was that the throttle was too stiff, so I had to open it up & apply Lithium grease to it.
The twist grip on the joystick has developed a shake when centred, so I can’t use it anymore.
All in all it’s ok, not fantastic.
Thank you for answering the question that everybody will ask once they see FS2020, also major kudos for serving.
Thank you
I bought an xbox one s all digital and the hotas one just to play fs2020 lol
Joshua Crowell you should have waited for the new generation of Xbox coming out with the release of mfs2020, I don’t think, you will have the best experience with the one s ...
Joshua Crowell that was pretty stupid, considering it’s not releasing on Xbox on launch day.
thank you, Major Hardware, this was exactly the comparison that i was looking for!
I will put in a word to get you promoted to LTC/LtCol/Lt. Col. soon..
just be sure you don't make it all the way to general, as "General Hardware" sounds like a big step downwards..
stopped by a shop and picked up the kit with the pedals a little while after writing my first comment.. then got home and had to mess around for at least an hour with the target software to figure out how to set everything up (and i'm in IT so i usually do have an advantage with technical things, but this was a small challenge).. I did manage to get it all set up though, and have then spent some time in FSX to get used to the change, but can already say it was a good decision to buy it!
I just ordered the T.Flight HOTAS One. I want to do DCS and Ace Combat and Flight Simulator 2020. I have a Logitech Attack 3, but it isn't up to the task. And, since it isn't Xbox or PlayStation compatible, Steam games can't determine what each button does. I've always wanted a "real" combat flight stick setup and the T.Flight HOTAS One isn't overpriced for what you get. I'll probably try it with my race pedals since the stick and pedals are both RJ11.
Honeycomb Alpha. For most civil aircrafts IMO the yokes are the best. In all other cases Vipril or VKB sticks. Pitty there is no more any Force Feedback stick. The last good one is still MS Sidewinder Force Feedback 2.
I got the Hotas X a couple of years ago on sale for 20€, never used it though... With the MSFS20 fever going on I wanted to check out if it was any good and I have to say I'm not disappointed at all 😅
i just bought the Full 16000m kit with joystick, pedals and throttle for 120 usd, gonna be fun to try with my quest 2 in war thunder
I do believe, by looking at it, the bump is for say an f15 or something in dcs, you have the afterburner and in the real plane, that “bump” (I say that in quotations because in the real plane there’s a lock or something, I don’t know I don’t fly it, I just like the planes. Specifically the A-10 though so I don’t know much about the other planes.) would indicate the max amount of power before you hit afterburner.
Good video buddy! Answered all my questions in one swoop!
If you are really on a budget, a good joystick for beginners or people playing some retro sims would be the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Really good one for the price.
First, thank you for your service! Second, Thanks for the DCS recommendation. Downloading now! Third, have you tried any of your flight sims with a 3 monitor setup? If so, thoughts?
I also had to grease the ball at the base of the yoke and loosen the tension in the hotas. Not a deal breaker, just preference.
My first Combat Flight Sim was "Chuck Yeager's Air Combat"...now I fly through space.
Great video, I just decided to order the T16000M thanks to you!
Hi.
Hows the Thrustmaster T16000M for a left-handed person?
And is it easy to bind for microsoft fs2020 or autodetected (if not could you provide a decent layout, if you have the game?)
Also should I buy a T16000M for flight sim 2020? (Most planes use a yoke from what I can see, does that matter?)
hello, yes the T.16000M actually has that great option to make it left-handed, whilst I'm a right-handed flyer the setup for the left-handed use it pretty simple: Microsoft flight sim 2020 has a pretty simple relatively easy to learn mapping system for your controllers. and yes the game auto-detects it and will give you a preset to start right off, you CAN change from the default to what you like: and yes can highly recommend the T.16000m because of me going from an extreme 3d pro to this: I can't even go back to a 3d pro without noticing the large tracking differences. (such as the Xcub light plane it uses a stick and not a throttle so immersion is easy to achieve) using a yoke or stick is highly dependent on what you like, I can recommend a stick merely because if you want to later play combat flight games a stick is much more agile and fast to use as you only need one hand to operate it.
@@krispyk.1786 Hi, thank you for the information.
I'm considering buying a Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus Edition next month, if I don't like it I'll try the T.16000M out :)
You are an EXPERT in Many fields!!!
Thinks for sharing!
this guide helped me out with my decision on buying a hotas thank you
Neat it went up 100-130 for the 160000. Awesome ill be able to enjoy these games one year