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Spray the ball on the t16000m with silicone oil spray. You can get a small spray can for airsoft guns. That will make it nice and smooth again. You'd probably want to remove the old grease on there with some rubbing alcohol though.
The LED on the 16000M is so annoying as it turns off when the stick is centered and turns on when not, so when going through center in a dark room, it keeps stealing attention of your eye. The spring on the 16000M is also too strong that it kills the great precision the stick offers.
Sounds like you could solve that with a tiny piece of electrical tape. But yeah, the amount of annoying leds on all sorts of tech stuff is too damn high!
Hi buddy, being a Boeing pilot for about 20 years and an Airbus pilot for about another 20 years... means >40 years flying time, could you confirm 2 points 1) about the " nul point" of the side stick: on Airbus, this stick center position has no lag... means, as soon as you move it, it will give immediatly the signal to the flight controls. 2) about the red button we have 2 functions: Auto Pilot disconnect and Priority switch. Is this second function activated on this side stick as it is on the Airbus Side stick? Thank you for your good job. Claude:.
Hey cpt thanks for watching! 1. Yes there is no lag from the the sidestick center position. And if you would like it to be less responsive or more sensitive you can adjust the response curve in your simulator for each axis. 2. The buttons need to be manually set up. So you can do with them any function you would like.
If I can chime in too cpt, I think that second question will depend on your simulator. I assume you use Xplane 11 and I have yet to find a button assignment that be activated by say a button hold. So I think the button assignment can only be either autopilot disconnect or priority. My current T16000M is pretty much the same setup. Would be awesome to see more intricate button assignments. God bless and may the tailwinds be in your favor!
@@indianboy0453 Ok Indianboy04... so only one action can be assigned? To bad! The red button acts as a priority take over button when the AP is disconnected and as AP disconnect button when the AP is in function... not so difficult to adapt the software with those 2 functions which are of utmost importance when 2 side sticks are linked to the system knowing that a lot of young captains had a tailstrike when taking over the controls from their copilot in last resort to avoid a crash landing...this without pushing and maintaining the disconnect PB switch... Have fun and take care
@@skychaserA330 That logic has to be done on the simulator side. Just as an example, the F/A-18 Hornet has a pinkie switch that is for nose wheel steering on the ground or flight deck, but acts as a undesignate button for the sensors in flight. In DCS, you just map that function "NWS/Undesignate" to one single button and what it does depends on conditions (weight on wheels, radar/TGP being SOI) just like the real one. As for the priority takeover function of the Airbus: That's something we all hope to get in FS 2020 as part of the multi-crew feature that won't be in at release yet. As soon as you'd be able to share the cockpit with someone else, that function would be very much needed.
I feel there's nothing really to choose between the sticks but the quadrants or HOTAS parts are very different. I went for the T16000 because the TCA quadrant has no hat switch and is too specific to airbus simulation for me.
Hi! The T-16000M was my first joystick. What are the buttons for on the Airbus stick? Like I know the trim, and the red button to turn off Autopilot, but what do the left button, the trigger, and the button above the trigger do?
For T16000, how much that throttle central wheel rotates? I want to use it in racing games and put acceleration and brake on that central wheel? But if it rotates too much, it can't be done. It must go from low to high on one move, without having to lift the finger and apply the movement again in the same direction. I hope I explained right what I need.
This was a great comparison and thanks for making it. I do have a question about the directional thumb controller on the 16kM. It appears to be physically higher on the joystick compared to the TCA. I ask because I have smaller hands which would likely require a bit of a stretch to comfortably reach it.
I have an older T16000m that I've had for a few years now. (you can tell it's age by the fact that it's got green LED's and marginally different buttons and a different throttle slider) I broke the throttle by dropping it, but otherwise it's fine. (the throttle is a 100k linear pot, so it should be relatively easy to replace) I have mine configured for left-handed use. That and the low price and high reliability is why I bought it. Other than the throttle which is my own fault, it's held up pretty well over what has got to be 4 or more years now. There's no way that I'm aware of to lock the twist axis on the T16000M - at least, not the older version, and I don't see any major change to the stick design itself. Swapping the handedness of the stick is done through 3 screws; One is a captive screw that you loosen, and this lets you rotate the hand support 180 degrees before tightening it again. The other changes require that you have the alternate set of rubber parts. The flat part can simply be pulled off. Doing so exposes two screws that hold the thumb-rest rubber in place. (they're quite long) You unscrew them, swap for the other rubber thumb rest, put the screws back through the other side, then push the flat piece for the opposite side in place. If needs be, you can make the stick almost fully ambidextrous by using both flat pieces and ignoring the thumb rests. In this case you can comfortably swap back and forth from one hand to the other, much like the airbus stick design. Overall a pretty robust stick, and if you're on a budget one of the best options. Also THE best option you've got if you need a left-handed stick, because the only other major choice is trash, and beyond that you end up with stuff like the hyper-expensive Virpil sticks that cost something like $800 once you include the stick and base (without the base the stick doesn't work). There's almost no left-handed sticks before you hit that price point.... So If you definitely need a left-hand stick, get a T16000M (or this airbus branded version that's almost the same...)
I use a twin sticks for Elite dangerous. I have the green variant too. They are combined with a Logitech Formula force GT wheel, I use the pedals for throttle. These have been my sticks for about 4 (almost 5) years. They have taken a beating, both have lost the throttle control (plastic parts came off taking the metal support with them, failure of the housing on the resistor). But this is of no issue for me as I do not use them. In the last 6 months, the right stick has become more slack and is prone to drifting (calibration done on them but still there) but a larger dead zone makes up for that. The trigger on the right stick is also a fair bit less reliable (sometimes presses aren't registered, others it's a double press). These were purchased to replace a faulty X56 Rhino (itself a replacement for a faulty X56 Rhino). I much prefer these to the yoke of the rhino. Overall. I am massively happy with the T.16000m's.
I've had two 16000m's go bad on me, one after several years and one right out of the box. They both had z-axis drift. This is a common problem with the 16000m. Does the Airbus one have the same issue?
While I haven't got one, I used a Sidewinder with the same number of buttons on the stick for a year on DCS (still use it for helicopters because no pedals). Works fine, just need a couple modifiers for the hat switch.
Do not buy a used thrustmaster! You get a solid 6 months then calibration are needed. After that, what ever side you rest your palm is the direction the aircraft will start to bank..trim needed at that point. finally, the twist aspect will go and then, its time for a new joy. Trust me..I'm on my 3rd Thrustmaster...Fun fact, the first Thrustmaster was green/light. Love the Hotas Quality..great medium range joy...true step up for all you logitech 3D pro users..yes, i was one also :) Went through about 15 of those damn things before getting the Thrustmaster T16000.
The T.16000M doesn't need to have anything unscrewed to change it from right to left. It comes with additional pieces that swap out, just like on the Airbus model. You just pry the pieces out and switch them around.
Maybe they redesigned it, but on my older T16000M you need to undo 3 screws. One to rotate the base, two to actually be able to swap the additional pieces around. The design for those rubber pieces still looks identical, so I have no reason to believe they changed it...
@@KuraIthys ok...I think I misstepped. You can pop off the rubberized thumb piece and palm piece and swap those out. But you DO have to unscrew the actual stick to swap from right to left. I wasn't thinking about the hand-rest on the stick still being on the right side.
The Amazon page for the 1600M says that the twisting rudder can be locked, but Thrustmaster's website doesn't mention this, and the instruction book doesn't either. Nor could I figure out any kind of way to actually do so either. I'd really like to do this as I fine myself accidentally twisting when I'm doing maneuvers and it throws me off all the time.
Although I cannot confirm this, after searching, it appears the 16kM cannot be locked natively. Otherwise, it requires opening the unit and making physical changes to the rudder springs.
Hello. I started out with XP10 on a PC using the T16000m. I switched to iMAC on Catalina now running Ventura and XP11. It's a plug-and-play device. I just found it on Amazon for 149 bucks. I don't remember having paid so much for it about 10 yrs ago, probably around 50 is more like it. Would I pay 150 nowadays? Probably yes, pricey but worth it.
I have to disagree with you about the durability of the T16000 stick. The z-axis on mine broke within a week and I've talked to MANY people who have had the same problem. If the TCA stick uses the same mechanism, I'd be very hesitant to recommend it.
It's a common issue. Just check any forum. I got the same problem three weeks after purchase. Looks like TM is cutting the corners with cheap and crappy potentiometer. And I don't think that Airbus joystick will be different.
@@BluGames Ok so i know this is an old video and all, but you really must have not looked. The twist axis fails because thrustmaster's molding has a fault in it, and a piece of the grip puts excessive force on the potentiometer causing it to fail. This has been known for over a decade at this point, and they didn't fix it even when they updated the t16000 to this newer orange color scheme version ages ago. Good stick for the money, unless you need the twist rudder.
I’ve been using two t16000s for about a year. I would never recommend this stick to anyone. The z-axis will fail. Spend a bit more and get VKB Gladiator NXT. That’s what I’m going to do.
hello sir excellent video, very good comparison, I need to ask you although I think I already commented but to be sure, which of the two joysticks consider that it is smoother? I mean which of the two must make less force to move it? the other question is if you consider that the two joysticks have the same travel of the Y axis that would be the elevator .... thanks and greetings to you.
The real question is did they fix the twist. The T16k is known for the twist going out due to how the pot is held inside the grip. I have two T16k's, one developed the problem within only a couple months of use. I've fixed it multiple times, but every time it comes back. I ended up going back to my old trusty Microsoft Sidewinder FFB2 for my right hand stick.
Fun facht: Got two FFB2s with the twist axis broken the same way, otherwise both are fine and one has seen like 14 years of service now. The twist axis freaking out on the second one made me buy pedals back in the day. That way I solved three problems: I could keep my stick, have a spare one ready and finally have decent rudder control. Today I know how great that stick is because I never needed to switch back to the first one since the second one still works like a charm. I'd be ready for another 15-20 years without new FFB hardware probably. Just hope there will be new stuff, especially with the MS FS20 on the horizon...
Was hoping for some information on what looks like the only real difference in the slider, does the airbus version have a stop you can feel before the bit marked as reverse? Or is it just the graphic and the actual motion is identical between them?
Thanks for the thorough comparison! My local microcenter had these in store for a somewhat reasonable mark-up (80 each) and I was not sure if I should snag 'em or not.
I ordered the TCA today on amazon, but then realized thanks to this video that I could get something IDENTICAL for 20 euros less, so I'm getting a few months-used T1600 and deleted my order for the TCA. Thanks
The main (and most important) difference between the two is that the T16000m uses potentiometers for its axes whereas the TCA uses HAL (frictionless, magnetic sensors) for its axes, which means that the TCA will never twitch on its axes because they never touch anything. Dust will not affect it over the long term like it would do any axis with potentiometers.
Have Thrustmaster confirmed that the slider and twist axis both use contactless sensors? Because the T.16000M has HALL effect sensors for the pitch and roll as well, just has potentiometers for the slider and twist.
I'd love an updated twist axis sensor because I've had 3 failures on the T16000M. But for me, not being able to select trigger 1 and trigger 2 in any combination is a big negative. Maybe you can slide your finger up or down to select different combos, but that seems a little wonky. Maybe they'll switch out the pot for a HAL sensor on the T16000M (or have they?). I can't find anything on their website that says they are using a Hall Effect sensor on the twist axis and I seriously doubt they are. If you plan on using the twist axis for rudder, not just nose wheel steering, you may want to purchase an extended warranty plan.
@DiBarkis - What are you talking about!?!! If I compare each of their FEATURES, they both have the same HallEffect AccuRate Technology. The only difference I read, is that the Airbus has a 14-bit resolution while the T.16000M is 16-bit. But, it may be an error in the description.
The t16000m uses a Hall effect sensor for x and y axis, they do use potentiometers for the throttle and the twist. I suspect very strongly that the new TCA uses an identical guts as the two previous versions of the T16000m sticks with only deleting the two led lights on the stick base and changing the shape of the grip.
Branding. The differences seem little more than cosmetic. It’s pretty cheap though, compared to some. I like the throttle quadrant, and spoiler, controllers though.
@@BluGames thanks very much, because I have the Airbus edition and I want a better throttle with more buttons and the throttle quadrant of the Airbus edition is only for civil fight sims.
Why do you already have the TCA? I don’t know where are u from and if it’s already released there but I’m from Germany and here it’s still not released
The Infidel Do they fall apart or what? I was considering getting one later thiis year, what experience have you had with Thrustmaster and which model?
If you are on a budget, a good joystick for beginner or people playing some retro sims would be the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Really good one for the price.
If it’s lighter it’s gonna have the same fake feeling as the t6k. Airbus sticks are much more stiff and hard with less input range required. The Logitech has a much more realistic feeling.
The lack of analog thumbstick on flightsticks makes no sense to me. I really don't freaking understand it. It's an obsolete remnant from the 80s. Nobody uses digital hat for any reason., IF you use it for POV, then you have no analog fine control for head movements which is, really dumb and people having to pay for things like IR head tracking is a result of this ancient mechanism.
Yeah, a shame the Jaw is garbage on these things... had mine for exactly ONE day of use, not even a full 24hours, then the Z axis went crazy and it was unbearable....
So what's The Difference between the Thrustmaster T16000m & the New TCA Sidestick Airbus Edition Hardware for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 , X-Plane 11 & P3D.??
Now Available to Pre-Order --------------
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Do you think the trigger would be ok for combat games like Star Wars squadrons?
Sorry for laaaaaatr reply but yes!! Its will work
@@BluGames yay! I’m not interested playing that game but yay
@Blu Games i know this may be a stupid question and I hate to bother you but can you play DCS without the throttle and rudders?
@@AuzzieWithAGun yes u can
You missed a little detail: the TCA throttle slider has a reverse :)
so i cant do reverse with t1600m?
I did mention it
Yes but u will have to find a different way to activate reverse
@@BluGames thanks
I got both. You don't have the reverser that you can proper use on airbus neither. It's just a imitation.
It's behaving like a button number 17
Thank you for someone finally making a comparison video from the two
Welcome!
Spray the ball on the t16000m with silicone oil spray. You can get a small spray can for airsoft guns. That will make it nice and smooth again. You'd probably want to remove the old grease on there with some rubbing alcohol though.
Appreciate you Blu Games. This is exactly what I was looking for.
You didn't talk about how comfortable they are compared to each other.
Comfort is the same also
The LED on the 16000M is so annoying as it turns off when the stick is centered and turns on when not, so when going through center in a dark room, it keeps stealing attention of your eye. The spring on the 16000M is also too strong that it kills the great precision the stick offers.
Sometimes my light would stick on and not turn off overnight
@@BluGames yikes
Sounds like you could solve that with a tiny piece of electrical tape.
But yeah, the amount of annoying leds on all sorts of tech stuff is too damn high!
Loving the purpose built Airbus version more and more for my Sim. Thanks for the comparison.
Welcome bro
"These things last a long time"
Really? Do they? I have two of them and both have the same issue with the Z-Axis jittering from time to time.
Hi buddy, being a Boeing pilot for about 20 years and an Airbus pilot for about another 20 years... means >40 years flying time, could you confirm 2 points
1) about the " nul point" of the side stick: on Airbus, this stick center position has no lag... means, as soon as you move it, it will give immediatly the signal to the flight controls.
2) about the red button we have 2 functions: Auto Pilot disconnect and Priority switch. Is this second function activated on this side stick as it is on the Airbus Side stick?
Thank you for your good job.
Claude:.
Hey cpt thanks for watching!
1. Yes there is no lag from the the sidestick center position. And if you would like it to be less responsive or more sensitive you can adjust the response curve in your simulator for each axis.
2. The buttons need to be manually set up. So you can do with them any function you would like.
If I can chime in too cpt, I think that second question will depend on your simulator. I assume you use Xplane 11 and I have yet to find a button assignment that be activated by say a button hold. So I think the button assignment can only be either autopilot disconnect or priority. My current T16000M is pretty much the same setup. Would be awesome to see more intricate button assignments. God bless and may the tailwinds be in your favor!
@@BluGames thanks buddy !! 🙏🙏🙏
@@indianboy0453 Ok Indianboy04... so only one action can be assigned?
To bad! The red button acts as a priority take over button when the AP is disconnected and as AP disconnect button when the AP is in function... not so difficult to adapt the software with those 2 functions which are of utmost importance when 2 side sticks are linked to the system knowing that a lot of young captains had a tailstrike when taking over the controls from their copilot in last resort to avoid a crash landing...this without pushing and maintaining the disconnect PB switch...
Have fun and take care
@@skychaserA330 That logic has to be done on the simulator side. Just as an example, the F/A-18 Hornet has a pinkie switch that is for nose wheel steering on the ground or flight deck, but acts as a undesignate button for the sensors in flight. In DCS, you just map that function "NWS/Undesignate" to one single button and what it does depends on conditions (weight on wheels, radar/TGP being SOI) just like the real one.
As for the priority takeover function of the Airbus: That's something we all hope to get in FS 2020 as part of the multi-crew feature that won't be in at release yet. As soon as you'd be able to share the cockpit with someone else, that function would be very much needed.
It has the same z-axis issue as the 16k also, how they didn't fix that for an update is beyond me.
I just got this after only a handful of uses. Livid.
I feel there's nothing really to choose between the sticks but the quadrants or HOTAS parts are very different. I went for the T16000 because the TCA quadrant has no hat switch and is too specific to airbus simulation for me.
But the airbus stick would work fine for anything , right?
Hi! The T-16000M was my first joystick.
What are the buttons for on the Airbus stick? Like I know the trim, and the red button to turn off Autopilot, but what do the left button, the trigger, and the button above the trigger do?
For T16000, how much that throttle central wheel rotates? I want to use it in racing games and put acceleration and brake on that central wheel? But if it rotates too much, it can't be done. It must go from low to high on one move, without having to lift the finger and apply the movement again in the same direction. I hope I explained right what I need.
This was a great comparison and thanks for making it. I do have a question about the directional thumb controller on the 16kM. It appears to be physically higher on the joystick compared to the TCA. I ask because I have smaller hands which would likely require a bit of a stretch to comfortably reach it.
Sick, appreciate the effort here Blu!
Any time!
I have an older T16000m that I've had for a few years now. (you can tell it's age by the fact that it's got green LED's and marginally different buttons and a different throttle slider)
I broke the throttle by dropping it, but otherwise it's fine. (the throttle is a 100k linear pot, so it should be relatively easy to replace)
I have mine configured for left-handed use. That and the low price and high reliability is why I bought it.
Other than the throttle which is my own fault, it's held up pretty well over what has got to be 4 or more years now.
There's no way that I'm aware of to lock the twist axis on the T16000M - at least, not the older version, and I don't see any major change to the stick design itself.
Swapping the handedness of the stick is done through 3 screws; One is a captive screw that you loosen, and this lets you rotate the hand support 180 degrees before tightening it again.
The other changes require that you have the alternate set of rubber parts.
The flat part can simply be pulled off. Doing so exposes two screws that hold the thumb-rest rubber in place. (they're quite long)
You unscrew them, swap for the other rubber thumb rest, put the screws back through the other side, then push the flat piece for the opposite side in place.
If needs be, you can make the stick almost fully ambidextrous by using both flat pieces and ignoring the thumb rests.
In this case you can comfortably swap back and forth from one hand to the other, much like the airbus stick design.
Overall a pretty robust stick, and if you're on a budget one of the best options.
Also THE best option you've got if you need a left-handed stick, because the only other major choice is trash, and beyond that you end up with stuff like the hyper-expensive Virpil sticks that cost something like $800 once you include the stick and base (without the base the stick doesn't work). There's almost no left-handed sticks before you hit that price point....
So If you definitely need a left-hand stick, get a T16000M (or this airbus branded version that's almost the same...)
Wow
i wouldnt say they are cheap. airbus tca costs 150-160$ these days....
I use a twin sticks for Elite dangerous. I have the green variant too.
They are combined with a Logitech Formula force GT wheel, I use the pedals for throttle.
These have been my sticks for about 4 (almost 5) years. They have taken a beating, both have lost the throttle control (plastic parts came off taking the metal support with them, failure of the housing on the resistor). But this is of no issue for me as I do not use them.
In the last 6 months, the right stick has become more slack and is prone to drifting (calibration done on them but still there) but a larger dead zone makes up for that.
The trigger on the right stick is also a fair bit less reliable (sometimes presses aren't registered, others it's a double press).
These were purchased to replace a faulty X56 Rhino (itself a replacement for a faulty X56 Rhino). I much prefer these to the yoke of the rhino.
Overall. I am massively happy with the T.16000m's.
I've had two 16000m's go bad on me, one after several years and one right out of the box. They both had z-axis drift. This is a common problem with the 16000m. Does the Airbus one have the same issue?
made from the same tech.. so possibly. But hasnt happen to me yet on either
ergonomically can you use the TCA Sidestick as a center stick for combat simulations too?
Yes i also use it for dcs and stsr citizen
While I haven't got one, I used a Sidewinder with the same number of buttons on the stick for a year on DCS (still use it for helicopters because no pedals). Works fine, just need a couple modifiers for the hat switch.
the trigger is ment to be the push to talk button when u on like fsx or mfs2020 on the airbus edition
Do not buy a used thrustmaster! You get a solid 6 months then calibration are needed. After that, what ever side you rest your palm is the direction the aircraft will start to bank..trim needed at that point. finally, the twist aspect will go and then, its time for a new joy. Trust me..I'm on my 3rd Thrustmaster...Fun fact, the first Thrustmaster was green/light. Love the Hotas Quality..great medium range joy...true step up for all you logitech 3D pro users..yes, i was one also :) Went through about 15 of those damn things before getting the Thrustmaster T16000.
Jeez thats crazy and thanks for the feedback
The T.16000M doesn't need to have anything unscrewed to change it from right to left. It comes with additional pieces that swap out, just like on the Airbus model. You just pry the pieces out and switch them around.
Maybe they redesigned it, but on my older T16000M you need to undo 3 screws.
One to rotate the base, two to actually be able to swap the additional pieces around.
The design for those rubber pieces still looks identical, so I have no reason to believe they changed it...
@@KuraIthys ok...I think I misstepped.
You can pop off the rubberized thumb piece and palm piece and swap those out. But you DO have to unscrew the actual stick to swap from right to left. I wasn't thinking about the hand-rest on the stick still being on the right side.
The Amazon page for the 1600M says that the twisting rudder can be locked, but Thrustmaster's website doesn't mention this, and the instruction book doesn't either. Nor could I figure out any kind of way to actually do so either. I'd really like to do this as I fine myself accidentally twisting when I'm doing maneuvers and it throws me off all the time.
Although I cannot confirm this, after searching, it appears the 16kM cannot be locked natively. Otherwise, it requires opening the unit and making physical changes to the rudder springs.
Hello. I started out with XP10 on a PC using the T16000m. I switched to iMAC on Catalina now running Ventura and XP11. It's a plug-and-play device. I just found it on Amazon for 149 bucks. I don't remember having paid so much for it about 10 yrs ago, probably around 50 is more like it. Would I pay 150 nowadays? Probably yes, pricey but worth it.
Very true
I have to disagree with you about the durability of the T16000 stick. The z-axis on mine broke within a week and I've talked to MANY people who have had the same problem. If the TCA stick uses the same mechanism, I'd be very hesitant to recommend it.
Wow. Yea i have had a very different experience. And thats the first I have personally heard of that issue. But if i were u i would feel the same
I'm on my THIRD T16000M now because of this problem. And no it's not about my PC. Taking it apart and cleaning it seems to help a lot, tho.
It's a common issue. Just check any forum. I got the same problem three weeks after purchase. Looks like TM is cutting the corners with cheap and crappy potentiometer. And I don't think that Airbus joystick will be different.
I went through two before I went back to a T flight hotas X.
@@BluGames Ok so i know this is an old video and all, but you really must have not looked.
The twist axis fails because thrustmaster's molding has a fault in it, and a piece of the grip puts excessive force on the potentiometer causing it to fail. This has been known for over a decade at this point, and they didn't fix it even when they updated the t16000 to this newer orange color scheme version ages ago. Good stick for the money, unless you need the twist rudder.
Thanks for helping me decide which I should buy for my setup :)
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Thanks for watching. Glad i could help
Strange question is it possible to put the old casing from the orange one over the ugly blue of the airbus?
If you are smart and brave enough maybe u can use some tools to make it happen. Lol
I’ve been using two t16000s for about a year. I would never recommend this stick to anyone. The z-axis will fail. Spend a bit more and get VKB Gladiator NXT. That’s what I’m going to do.
Ok thanks yes i mentioned the zaxis is my recent revised review
Hey Blue, long term how you feelin about the TCA vs T16000m?
Man what an awesome quick and informative review. greetings from germany
Helloooo!! I hope i was able to help
Where did you buy your TCA Sidestick Airbus?? Everywhere I try to buy they are out of stock.
hello sir excellent video, very good comparison, I need to ask you although I think I already commented but to be sure, which of the two joysticks consider that it is smoother? I mean which of the two must make less force to move it? the other question is if you consider that the two joysticks have the same travel of the Y axis that would be the elevator .... thanks and greetings to you.
Mechanically they are exactly the same
Does the airbus version feel better overall? I have the t16000 but the pictures and on video looks exactly the same (with different stick)?
The material feels smoother but they are the same technology.
Thanks for the in-depth comparison between the two joysticks. Once this controller guy saves up the money, I can look into the TCA sidestick! :)
Nice glad i could help
I have the Thrustmaster T16000 I also find that the joystick reacts a bit too cumbersome and sluggishly. Is the Airbus joystick better?
Hi. Great video. Do either of these have like a mini joystick on them for controlling pov camera?
The real question is did they fix the twist. The T16k is known for the twist going out due to how the pot is held inside the grip. I have two T16k's, one developed the problem within only a couple months of use. I've fixed it multiple times, but every time it comes back. I ended up going back to my old trusty Microsoft Sidewinder FFB2 for my right hand stick.
Fun facht: Got two FFB2s with the twist axis broken the same way, otherwise both are fine and one has seen like 14 years of service now. The twist axis freaking out on the second one made me buy pedals back in the day. That way I solved three problems: I could keep my stick, have a spare one ready and finally have decent rudder control. Today I know how great that stick is because I never needed to switch back to the first one since the second one still works like a charm. I'd be ready for another 15-20 years without new FFB hardware probably. Just hope there will be new stuff, especially with the MS FS20 on the horizon...
Does that thumb grip make a difference to yaw on the 1600?
my throttle doesnt work!Any ideas?
Was hoping for some information on what looks like the only real difference in the slider, does the airbus version have a stop you can feel before the bit marked as reverse? Or is it just the graphic and the actual motion is identical between them?
Thanks for the comparison between the two. I personally use the T1600m.
No problem
can you use the t16000m flight stick only without the throttle? there's a throttle on stick tight?
Thanks for the thorough comparison! My local microcenter had these in store for a somewhat reasonable mark-up (80 each) and I was not sure if I should snag 'em or not.
In these two sidestick Which one do you prefer for beginners?
@@NATO_Believer okay thank you 🙏🏻
how does it feel on the TCA without having a place to rest the thumb like you could on the T16000m?
Feels fine to me
I guess if it’s the same joystick used in real planes it shouldnt be uncomfortable
@@TheSomeoone Sidestick. You'll make airbus pilot mad if you say they control the plane with a joystick :)
@@alphaadhito They should be glad you're acknowledging that they fly the plane instead of just making another autopilot joke. ;)
@@TheSomeoone iTs cAlLeD a fLiGhT sTiCk
I heard that T16000M can be connected together with TWCS throttle. Does TCA airbus can do the same ?
I play Star Citizen,barley do dogfighting ,after 6 months my T16k's yaw jumps to the left...not drag..it jitters/jumps...
I ordered the TCA today on amazon, but then realized thanks to this video that I could get something IDENTICAL for 20 euros less, so I'm getting a few months-used T1600 and deleted my order for the TCA. Thanks
TCA Airbus is worth the extra buck
Very informative Bro, thanks. I have the tca so can I simply get another one and use that as my throttle rather than the little slider thing?
The main (and most important) difference between the two is that the T16000m uses potentiometers for its axes whereas the TCA uses HAL (frictionless, magnetic sensors) for its axes, which means that the TCA will never twitch on its axes because they never touch anything. Dust will not affect it over the long term like it would do any axis with potentiometers.
Thank you so much for pointing that out. I actually missed that in my comparison video.
Have Thrustmaster confirmed that the slider and twist axis both use contactless sensors? Because the T.16000M has HALL effect sensors for the pitch and roll as well, just has potentiometers for the slider and twist.
I'd love an updated twist axis sensor because I've had 3 failures on the T16000M. But for me, not being able to select trigger 1 and trigger 2 in any combination is a big negative. Maybe you can slide your finger up or down to select different combos, but that seems a little wonky. Maybe they'll switch out the pot for a HAL sensor on the T16000M (or have they?).
I can't find anything on their website that says they are using a Hall Effect sensor on the twist axis and I seriously doubt they are. If you plan on using the twist axis for rudder, not just nose wheel steering, you may want to purchase an extended warranty plan.
@DiBarkis - What are you talking about!?!! If I compare each of their FEATURES, they both have the same HallEffect AccuRate Technology. The only difference I read, is that the Airbus has a 14-bit resolution while the T.16000M is 16-bit. But, it may be an error in the description.
The t16000m uses a Hall effect sensor for x and y axis, they do use potentiometers for the throttle and the twist. I suspect very strongly that the new TCA uses an identical guts as the two previous versions of the T16000m sticks with only deleting the two led lights on the stick base and changing the shape of the grip.
I am interested in TCA Sidestick Airbus Edition but it's not even out yet.
Branding. The differences seem little more than cosmetic. It’s pretty cheap though, compared to some. I like the throttle quadrant, and spoiler, controllers though.
Only one think is importand and that is precision in move ...is same?
My 16000 lasted 2 years before the dreaded Z axis problem. It's definitely a £50 stick when you take it apart
Mhm
I bought the TCA AirBus captain pack edition and it was right at $300 but it came with the quadrants.
I actually bought the T-16000M just recently before this was announced; but won't mind picking this one up!
Just paint it light blue and you're good to go.
You cam customize the resistance on the 16000m
Wich entrance they have? USB?
Yes they both connect with usb cable
Do it have force feedback? If not how do you actually trim without it?
No force feedback you to watch your attitude in the sim visually
Will the Airbus TCA Sidestick work on Boeing aircraft aswell? On flight sims
Yes Boeing and all the other aircraft no problem, it is just purely designed to replicate an Airbus stick, but works on everything. :)
Nice video dude, look forward to more!
Thank you
If I buy the Airbus edition can I use it with the 1600 throttle???
Very good video I need it
Yes
@@BluGames thanks very much, because I have the Airbus edition and I want a better throttle with more buttons and the throttle quadrant of the Airbus edition is only for civil fight sims.
Yes exactly thats the downside to it
If you fly other types of sims
Thanks for the video! I'm trying to decide between these 2 or the thrustmaster T-Flight stick x, to play Microsoft flight simulator 2020!
Once you go duo you won't comeback.
Thanks for the review, it was helpful.
Glad i could help
I was wondering for T16000M full setup rudder pedals and throttle if you can switch left to right handed how could you switch the throttle?
I dont think you can physically switch. You just use your other hand. But the throttle has always felt wierd when using my right hand
@@BluGames ok I thought I bought the wrong handed version lol. I searched but it is what it is I guess thanks bro.
Yep
Why do you already have the TCA? I don’t know where are u from and if it’s already released there but I’m from Germany and here it’s still not released
TM sent me one early. And I live in US. I believe the are currently sold out.
The Infidel Do they fall apart or what? I was considering getting one later thiis year, what experience have you had with Thrustmaster and which model?
If you are on a budget, a good joystick for beginner or people playing some retro sims would be the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Really good one for the price.
do i get one of these or a hotas x? need to know soon :)
Do both work on macOS?
I noticed you only have two hardware review videos, if you have more hardware you use for flightsim, I’d love to see what you use.
Just getting started on the hardware side. More to come! But thanks for watching
@@BluGames It must have gotten lost in editing.
Will the Airbus stick work with the t16000 throttle quadrant?
Yes
The Airbus Edition also comes with the Reverse Throtle.
Are they compatible with world of warplanes?
Great question i havent tested it
Blu Games can you test it? It would be really nice. Because I don’t want waste money.... Great Stick.
Can you test it? Hope for a answer
I preffer the TCA Sidestick Airbus 👍🏻😎👨🏻✈️
👍🏾
Great video!
Thanks alot
Does the TCA sidestick work with FSX ?
Yes
@@lucashurst4191 that about DCS World
Yes also works with dcs
@@BluGamesthanks 😊
Very useful review. Thanks for sharing
Welcome
Thanks for this ! Very informative .
If it’s lighter it’s gonna have the same fake feeling as the t6k. Airbus sticks are much more stiff and hard with less input range required. The Logitech has a much more realistic feeling.
The song is a Cymatics Loop.
Ambidextrous.......you said it right!
3 years later, how are they?
Well thanks for saying the pricing cause im actually working on buying a Gaming PC this year
Very welcome
Still not enough buttons on the stick.
There will never be enough
@@BluGames The X52 has many more though + a mode selector on the stick.
does it work with ace combat 7 ?
Just got a TCA and it does not natively work with AC7 sadly.
Is this compatible with PS3 too?
No, neither are compatible with any gaming console. Why the PS3?
Your videos are great.
Thanks alot
According to reddit you can't lock the twist on the 16000m without modding it yourself
Sold out everywhere.
Wow!!
in UK you can get it from Scan
I got the orange one, a throttle and pedals for $100 on offer up!!
Check daily!!!
i love that light blue color on the airbus one
Yep
Wow they look similiar
VERY similiar
As a left handed person, a right handed joystick does not feel comfortable in the left hand.
Pam from The Office.
Pam Pam thankyou Ma'am.
I want this sooo badly, but it's sold out everywhere it seems! I hope they restock soon cause I don't wanna play too long with the Xbox controller.
I’m in the same boat man.
it really cost 69$ before?? i see they are selling 150-160$ now.
Wow the priced jumped
@@BluGames they are making them with gold plating now probably lol
The TCA are the replica of Airbus Sidesticks and Throttle.
The lack of analog thumbstick on flightsticks makes no sense to me. I really don't freaking understand it. It's an obsolete remnant from the 80s. Nobody uses digital hat for any reason., IF you use it for POV, then you have no analog fine control for head movements which is, really dumb and people having to pay for things like IR head tracking is a result of this ancient mechanism.
Can you use them on GTA V
Yeah, a shame the Jaw is garbage on these things... had mine for exactly ONE day of use, not even a full 24hours, then the Z axis went crazy and it was unbearable....
For me the difference is one is blue and says airbus
I need the new one ,cuz Im left hand
Thank you!
Welcome
Yeah, the right stuff for World of Warplanes.