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- Which German driver's car offers more smiles per dollar in today's used market - the previous generation BMW M2 Competition at $55-60K plus a few grand in mods, or the Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 at $95-100K?
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Thank you for focusing on FUN. That’s really what us driver car enthusiasts care about, and more often than not it’s difficult to discern how fun a car is from conventional car reviews.
Most car reviewers can’t drive, so to me at least their opinion is null. Luckily we have Zygrene 😁
I’ve had an M2C and now have a 981 Cayman S. Can totally relate to your comments. The Cayman is just a better car in every way; engine sound, handling, and way quicker on twisty roads. But I remember in the M2C I’d literally laugh out loud a lot at how crazy and fun it was to drive. Both great cars! Love your vids btw.
makes sense. what do u do?
A mid engine car is always going to be different to anything front engined.
The closest comparison to the Cayman 4.0 GTS would be the Evora GT.
Not in every way....the M2C has room for 4 people and a trunk. There is no such Porsche (4 seater and trunk) to beat the M2C .....no Panamera, no Macan, no Cayenne !!
For me it’s the Cayman all day. To me the cayman is a true sports car vs the BMW. The BMW Is a passenger car that is done up sporty. Add the flat 6, the mid engine balance, and the lighter weight and it is just brilliant.
Objectively you are right but subjectively I preferred the M2C. Then I drove (and bought) the M2CS and it was way more fun for me than the GTS.
May be the wrong thing people want to hear, but when I switch from the GT3 to the e46 or e92, I might smile more driving it on the street. Being able to do small power slides in public (allegedly) when no one is around is just so much fun in an FR car.
You're a bad boy
That's the only thing I'm a bit wary of. Had my fair share of bimmers and love how fun and easy it is to allegedly have some fun on a quiet empty street.
Deciding between a m2c now and a 981s/987. Scared the P's will lose that hoon factor for me.
Nice review. I love the focus on driving enjoyment, that is really what is all about. I went from a 2020 M2 Comp Manual bone stock to a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 Manual bone stock. For me around town the M2 is more fun on the curves and ramps, it has a playfulness to its handling the GTS 4.0 lacks. But I would still pick the 4.0 for overall enjoyment as the naturally aspirated flat six with a superior manual simply connects you to the driving experience in a way the S55 and rubbery manual (in comparison) can't. For someone who values playful handling over drivetrain though, the answer might be the M2 Comp. The value equation is also tricky as the GTS 4.0 has appreciated and will likely hold its value better than the M2, so it may actually cost less.
Love this video. As an M2C owner i'm biased, but it's nice to see someone put into words my feelings about the engine. It doesn't really sound very good, but it FEELS really "motorsporty." It feels like a pretty nice car that someone dropped a race engine into and the nosies it makes aren't necessarily good, but they are very exciting. The M2 Comp feels like the tuner car you always imagined having as a kid.
exactly how you'd describe my e46m3 experience!
Was so much fun spending the morning with you! Excellent comparison video! Now I need to go find an M2C…
Love the color! What color is that 💙💙💙
Believe it or not, I sold an M2 CS to get a Cayman GTS 4.0. Never regretted it at all! The CS was a great car but the Porsche was just superior in every way. The BMW was possibly the best M car ever and was fun to drive but it did not sound great and I didn’t love the manual gearbox. The Porsche was not perfect (gearing not great) but the manual gearbox was amazing, the engine always wanted to rev and the sound was intoxicating! Both awesome cars but the Porsche was a cut above!
Very good review. Clear and honest. I really apreciate your style.
That M2 looks like a big looompia
What you got against Lumpia man? 😅
LOOOOOOOMPIA
Didn’t come here to get hungry
@@RyuMotopeep the license plate 😂🥰
Last year I cross shopped the m2 comp with a 981 GTS. I’m sure this comparison had more to do with what cars were available but that seems like a better comparison.
I went with the 981. It just felt exceptionally special vs the m2 comp. Maybe I’m biased but after driving them back to back it was easy.
M2 comp has some serious power though haha
The Cayman won me over as soon as I heard the induction growl 🔊 😌.
That GTS 4.0 is the obvious choice here. Add reliability to the equation, and its a no-brainer...
The obvious choice is $40k more?! Doesn’t seem obvious to me…at that price point the obvious choice is a 981 GT4.
@@ericm8368obvius choice for new one
@@ericm8368Eh? The 981 GTS is years old.
Where i live, the price difference for both cars is 200k+ so the obvious choice for me was the M2C. The M2C cost 370k (when it was still avaliable) and the 718 GTS cost 600k at present.
man, you have the best comparisons, I have the M2C and thinking about this same move. Thanks
I just found this channel this week. Great channel man, you are doing great work.
You need to get your hands on a G80 M3.
It really shows that fun is subjective. I adore my GTS exactly because of how capable it is, and how it lets me do exactly what I want. You feel like you're carving through space with a knife.
Great video bro! 100% agreed to your comments. Before I bought my M2 CS (DCT), I was x-shopping between it and the Boxster Spyder or GT4. I finally picked the M2 CS due to its practicality and that "Fun" factor you also mentioned.
Also I find the DCT is way more "fun" than the pdk despite the pdk may be a tiny bit faster, but pdk just doesn't give me that raw and violent shift like the DCT. The pdk is too smooth like a CVT in my opinion.
Wish I have the $$ to own both the CS and a Spyder (manual).
718 - Soul OAP’s are the way to go if you’re only going to do one exhaust mod. I also did the Soul valved muffler and the car really gives me an “RSR light” exhaust note experience that I was looking for in the 718
If you are also taking the cost into consideration, OG M2 is not that bad. It’s lighter and cheaper than M2C. Also it has better sound and MPG. As a street sports car running within legal speed, OG M2 is a good choice.
PS I am an owner of OG M2.
Prefer the Cayman GTS 4.0. And for $70k one can get a 981GTS.
I think a key point is the way the car you drove feels much improved with the mods done by the owner. I remember driving M2C stock at a BMW event, and it was objectively better than M2 base but it felt more like a parts bin car in terms of steering and suspension. Like it didn’t quite have that unified steering/suspension/chassis feel, which the M2 base (stock) did imo
Great cars and some good points made during the drives. One fact that has to be made if really comparing these two is resale. While being more expensive it has WAY better resale value and the potential to continue to just rise. Especially since the Cayman/Boxster chassis is going electric. While both are quick, etc. they are not in the same class when it comes to appreciation in value.
Good point
BMW M2C is going to be an instant classic, if not already. I test drove the M2 and it was amazing. Thanks to the new G87, the F87 will maintain its value....
M2C owner who scrolls the auction sites on the daily for a 4.0 GTS. When it comes down to it, the Porsche is the answer, but it’s very hard to justify a 30-50k premium.
I own a base M2, and test driven 3 different Caymans (718 base & S and 981 S), and I preferred my base M2. It's just more playful. The Caymans were objectively better cars and could take a corner at far higher speeds. That said, they were SO perfect that all the fun had been sapped out of them. The M2 was a dance, you had to tame the wild animal and finding that balance was an enjoyable challenge.
That said, I test drove a 991.1 S Carrera, and those & 997.2 S are what I'm looking for. They have the perfect blend of higher capability of the Cayman, with the playfulness of the M2. You can feel the weight over the back axels, behaving like an unstable pendulum.
Same here before buying og M2 I rent 718 base cayman , while Porsche is more precise then M2 is mutch more fun and better sound. Besides all hardware parts between M2 and M2C besides engine offcourse are identical, there are only some software adjustments differences.
If you want value+fun. Any 981 beats both of these cars. My daily has been a '16 981 for 2 years. And it's market price has gone up 10K since I acquired it. And I will never ever sell it. Ever. It's the perfect sports car.
The M2C is great in every way, but the Pcar's PDK simply feels like heaven.
True the pdk is telepathic however I must say the M dct does have more character does shifts hit you in the chest like not much else
I've got a base 2014 base Cayman as my daily driver. Just passed 72k miles and even the 2.7 sounds glorious at 7k rpms. Honestly, more than I need on the street. However... if I ever win the lottery, the GTS 4.0 is my 1st purchase!
Note, the GT4 RS shift knob makes the PDK experience even that much better! Just put it on my Cayman and love it👍
I had a 987S PDK for 11 years and 130k miles.
@@tamasszabo8824 Going to do my best to take her to 200k. We shall see! ;-)
@@hangpilot1200 Best of luck with that!! As the car got older, I became more and more concerned about the $16K PDK-replacement looming over my head.
@@tamasszabo8824 Not as severe as the poor folks who specced Carbon Ceramics on 981s now facing $20k + bills just to change the discs. Imagine having to write-off your car just because of worn out brakes, sounds crazy but gonna hit loads of 981 once their future values fall to current 987 levels.
Thanks for another substantive and helpful review. I have a BGTS4.0 with a Kline exhaust, which I love. But I have been thinking hard about adding a 718 cayman base, or 718 GTS 2.5, as a starter track car (I’m too tall to track the boxster). If you ever had the chance to drive one, would be really curious to hear your thoughts on the 2.5 cayman as a track car. It’s a lot cheaper than a GTS 4.0, and offers some of the same handling.
Go for it-don’t hesitate. Or even get a 981 Cayman S or GTS in PDK for track use.
Thumbs up for Loompia_M2 or BMW M2 Competition! The moment it started the engine, I loved the booming sounds! With all the upgrades the owner made, it's truly a significant improvement over the original M2. The suspension, the engine, and overall, it's the best! Porsche may be overrated, but in terms of performance, Loompia_M2 did an excellent job with all the upgrades on this unit! Love the pokemon squirtle on it as well 🥰 Wow did 20 Track Race 😳 Good luck and stay safe always!
Fully agree with your conclusion. I'm not the biggest fan of the F87 M2C, but I found the 718 GTS 4.0 a bit too clinical, too sterile, and frankly too expensive for what it is. The M2 is more fun for ~55k. I'd go for a 981 GT4 with some miles on it over all of these, full stop (have owned a number of late model--EPS-era--Porsches and that one was definitely my favorite). Throwing a 981 GTS or lightly modded ~50-55k 981S into the mix would be interesting, too.
Fenton, you completely captured the essence of these two cars, and why I can’t take replace my M2C with a 718. The M2C has a sense of humor that the Cayman doesn’t (even with my M Performance coilovers, which are made by KW). The 718 is clinical, surgical, pristine. The answer for me is 718 and M2C in the same garage. Selling my Evora 400 today with the intent of grabbing a GTS or GT4. In the meantime, I grabbed a GR86 because I miss my Miata. Slow car fast is the ultimate joy, but the M2C is surprisingly playful and safe at reasonable speeds. Love my M2C on track, but the 718 is a different animal altogether!
Why selling the Evora? (I have an M2C and a GT4 and had a 981 CS.)
@@HelpMeHelpU212 LOVE the Evora on the street below 7/10, but didn't get along that well with it on track at 8/10+ even after slightly tweaking the setup. I need to love each of my cars on track and street. The Evora is a phenomenal driving experience and kind of a time machine for purity. I just felt it wasn't the right midengine platform for me on track. Does your M2C get any track time (given you have a GT4)?
@@chasejohnson6587 Understood. Unfortunately, none of my cars are getting track time these days but I would love to drive the M2C on track. Perhaps later in the year.
To me, comparing the M2C to a GT4 or CGTS 4.0 is kind of silly. They are completely different cars at completely different price points. They are ALL great cars; just different.
To me the M2C is a better all-around, more usable car and the Porsches are more of an event. If nothing else, the seating position alone makes them very different driving experiences. All of those cars have more power than most of us can ever use safely on the streets.
When paying $65k and up, I’d buy the more serious sports cars.
For less expensive fun, the BRZ and CTR style cars are great.
Sup bro, n55 does not have a twin scroll turbo. I learned that recently at bmw training. twin power means a combination vanos, valvetronic and turbo
Had 981 Cayman GTS Manual, PTV, X73, now have M2 Competition Manual with Stage 1, Ohlins, CAE, etc etc. I prefer the M2C, the Cayman feels slow, super long gearing, the X73 is good but not Ohlins good. M2 is more usable too. The Cayman chassis is great, loads of mechanical grip, sounds great too, but I have more fun and giggles in the M2 Comp. It feels so small and nimble.
Great review! The sound of that flat 6 is SO good. I wish you could review my Pure stage 2 base M2, it's a rowdy little thing 😅
I've owned 4 BMW's and 4 Porsches (inc. my current 718 Spyder). They are my two favorite car brands, and each has their own personality. The only thing I would add is that you really need to take resale value into account if you're going to talk value as part of the equation. The $15k in mods hold basically no value when you sell the car, and BMW's depreciate faster than Porsches, especially something like the GTS 4.0. That $25k to $30k price gap is going to largely disappear when you sell the cars. On the flip side, modding is fun and brings you closer to a car. Thanks for the video of two excellent cars.
This Is gonna be GOOD 👍
I would love to see you do a comparison between the Lotus Emira and most recent Evora.
After driving the M2 comp, how does it stack up versus the Camaro SS 1LE?
Fun fact: The M3 comp is almost 40 pounds lighter than the M2 comp. Even with 4 doors.
M3 also has 40 more issues than the m2
I think the M2C is great value, but an old Cayman for the same money, maybe a more special car to own. Overall though, I prefer the M2C since I could only have one car and the rear seats in the M2 make a big difference in terms of practicality.
M2c is fun since its harder to drive fast always a lot to learn in every back road runs. Gt4rs is say one of the easiest cars to drive stupid fast back roads. Its the only 718 cayman variant ive driven didnt get to chance to drive the others. actually 2 cars is very different. Im trying to keep both since m2c is also a good daily driver
I guess you have to push the GTS a lot more to get the giggles…insane speeds on public roads. M2CS appears to be more playful and needs finer driver inputs
Not sure the m2 comp is worth 10-15k over the base. Also im not sure you can reach some of these conclusions without driving them stock back to back
The M2 Comp is absolutely worth 10-15k over the base M2 with N55 motor. The M2CS is not worth 30-40k over the Comp variant, however. OG to Comp, no questions asked, worth the upgrade. Between seats and the engine, no brainer.
16:00 any manual version? What about f10 m5 manual...🧐 imo the dct is better in that situation.
I own an M2 Comp so Im slightly biased. BUT I do love the 718 GTS. Was nice to see a modded version of my car getting driven properly. I think I'm definitely going to do the KW V3 Coilovers when the time comes. Does the owner have an instagram?
@loompia_m2
Just get clubsports if you’re going to spend the money
The Cayman can be extremely comfortable for long rides and you can't say that for the M2. And then the current 2023 M2 has an unlivable Samsung screen right in front of your face and not even switches for the heater, so stupid! The latest BMW designs are hideous.
How do these cars compare to the BRZ in terms of fun factor? I know that these cars are faster, but I was wondering if that makes them more fun to drive.
I still have more fun in the BRZ, but it's a somewhat different kind of fun.
I'm really interested in getting a 718 GTS. But in your opinion for the price what's better the C8 Corvette,718 or m2
The C8 is much more of a comfy long-distance GT car, whereas the 718 is more of a hardcore lightweight sports car. They are very different.
C8 Z51 is a damn good car. I'd love to compare one against the 718 GTS 4.0. M2C is still the value play through.
If it aint manual I don't want it
I'd love to see an M2C vs a Cayman 981 S comparison ,both cost about the same. Thanks
That's a great comparo idea
I'm guessing it would probably be pretty much the same as this video - just more evenly priced.
Nice vid and comparison. I still miss my 997 despite all the merits of my M3. I think it always boils down to whether or not someone has room in their fleet for a dedicated sports car or not. While my 911 was slower and less powerful, it was an absolute joy to drive. Conversely, it was terrible for moving my daughter in a car seat to and from school. My M3 is FAR better at being a normal car that I can exercise on backroads from time to time. It won’t ever be as nimble as my old 911, but it’s a superior single car option.
Excuse my color blindness. TE37s on the M2 are bronze 😬
Do you know the tire sizes the owner was running on those TE37s?
Fast forward and you can get a M2C for the price of a 981 Base. Let that sink in.
I think it's time for Evan to get some new rear tires, that a side i love the Porsche, but would probably go for the m2c , fun, back seat ,trunk and price
If they’re holding air they’re good to go! 😂
I’ll take the cayman if money was no object but m2 comp is definitely better value. Porsche does have better resale value though…
It would be interesting to see how gt350 compares with these cars
GT350 vs M2C is a great comparison idea
For these: which is more fun videos, you're going to need a Zygrene Chuckle Meter to ensure a fair conclusion all the time.
ha ha ha
How was the manual in the M2C? A detailed answer would be greatly appreciated. 😊
Not Zygrene, but i have an M2 Comp with a stick. It's better than a shifter from an economy car and worse than the shifter in a sports car. Slightly rubbery/isolated, but not nearly as much as in most FWD cars. Kind of like a WRX shifter with a bit more feel. But not "direct" and "connected" like most porsche shifters, most modern american perfromance cars and high performance hondas. Maybe 6/10 in the grand scheme of things. Lots of short shift kits though and they'll significantly increase feel if that's what your'e after. Also worth mentioning that there's a clutch delay valve, which can make for a slightly odd feel in the clutch/weird timing. It can be removed pretty easily though.
Agree with Felix. It's like all other BMW manuals I've tried. Rubbery and a bit vague. Easy to use though.
I went from an NC Miata, manual, to test driving both a manual and dual clutch M2C and ended up buying the DCT. If you're used to shifters like a MIata or a Civic Type R, BMW always feels subpar and vague. Loved the DCT for a couple years but ultimately regretted my decision and sold the car. At the end of the day, the DCT while superior, made the car kinda boring.
Does the short shift kit make a lot better? I've have driven E92 M3 manual and the shifter was awful, but the tranny did not have any upgrades.
There is no difference between og m2 and comp in terms of suspension, the steering feel is only different due to software (you can easily update steering/lsd/dtc softwafe to m2cs level, dct programming as well if it's not a manual), your better impressions there are mostly due to modifications. There is some additional front end strut reinforcement with the carbon bar and extra bracing in the comp (can be retrofitted to og, but youre likely better off just doing a strut tower brace and maybe stronger corner braces for a fraction of the price and work), some reviews said there is some difference in bushings/subframe mounting.
Stock shocks on the m2 are awful (economy car level), happily replaced with ohlins r&t with softer swift springs and a revalve aka 3dm roadsport.
Can't wait to get my auto solutions ssk, still gotta install e90 slave to get rid of the annoying cdv.
Fbo n55 with a custom tune is pretty decent (stock was running out of steam a bit early at my elevation and didnt sound as exciting), maybe pure stage 2 turbo is viable.
Stock pads are terrible (lots of dust, non linear response, don't hold up to heat, too much initial bite), but at least og m2 calipers allow fitting 18" wheels unlike the bigger comp calipers.
Didn't really see much of a point in paying $10-15k more for comp over an lci and having an around 200 pound weight penalty as well as not being able to fit 18" wheels without switching the brake calipers to something smaller, twin turbo power delivery could be more exciting in certain scenarios, but i don't think it's worth the extra money compared to how an og m2 can be improved with that extra money. S55 also suits dct better while n55 is better matched with a manual from what i've heard.
Maybe get a better rear diff mount with bushings to eliminage wheel hop which seems to have gotten better after suspension and lsd upgrades.
The M2 would be perfect if it was 2-300lbs lighter and NA. Unfortunately BMW went the opposite direction with the latest M2: more power, more weight.
Unusually late on a Zygrene comment. I don't own either and no fanboi, but too many people rush to the Porsche dealership and put down an allocation for P cars without driving them. The status, high resale is a sweet spot for them.
Modern P cars are precision balanced lethal speed weapons, great for putting quick times anywhere and shocking the driver about the performance envelope vs actually experiencing motoring joy managing weight transfer, lean, some rowdiness, maximizing the power etc. Few actually accumulate a lot of miles for this lack of fun reason.
Drive a Boxster and Miata side by side to know what I mean, and I'd take an 86 over the Cayman anyday if it was my dollars.
Miatas are cool, but they are literally half as much car as the Cayman. I can’t even fit in one.
Wouldn’t want to get hit in one. And large vehicles can barely see you,
The 86 is nice too, but closer to a Miata than the Cayman. A great value, though. I could at least fit in one, and also have some metal around me, if someone hit me.
For me, it’s a no brained. Porsche! I would happily pay the additional $20 to 30k.
I have Tuned the 718 Boxster S for you to test drive
Are you in the bay area?
My M2CS fixes the sudden on turbo torque out of low speed corners. That plus 275's on the rear and you can put the power down so much better and use the diff to it's full potential which is a big M character component. You really need to drive it.
I've wanted to review an M2 CS but don't know any owners in the bay
@@Zygrene have Terry give you my email. I am about to change to fresh Bridgestown RE-71RS's so the next couple of months is a good time to do it. Just have to get out to Mines.
That m2s camber is wild, half the damn rear tyre is bald
My stock e39 M5 is like that.
Fabulous handling, but even with no wheel-spinning, or any other high-wear activities, 5000-6000 miles of life for the rear tires.
You wanna play, you gotta pay.
M2C is almost half price of GTS4.0, but you know it's not a half car.
If you’re doing a fun to drive comparison, you need a manual in both
Wana to see a comparison between modified supra and cayman.
Uncanny timing. Exactly what I'm reviewing next.
@@Zygrene hhhh,can’t wait that.
I have a Cayman GTS 4.0, and Im biased. I test drove m2C vs Cayman GTS vs Carrera S. The Cayman was my choice, more fun, more reliable, huge smile on my face evey time I get in the drivers seat.
I also wonder at two comparison points, rear wheel drive, front monuted engine.
And this M2C has been modded.
Stock GTS 4 vs modded M2C?
It's understood, you're splitting some pretty subjective hairs here and to your credit you don't hiding that. Performance is important to me, but I agree, there are times when the appeal of a car is the overall experience of driving it. IMO a truly great performance car gives you a tactile relationship with the road/track. I've driven some ridiculously fast cars where it often feels like you're either an afterthought or a passenger. The higher the numbers get, it's a harder balance to strike.
tyres are key point for M2 ... get all those extras KW, AP Racing .... and use "all season" crap, seriously?
Is it just me or did your arms bulk up, wtf is your workout routine lmao
Lmao might be the camera angle. I'm a shell of my former self
So I had a 17 n55 manual m2 and now own a 2022 718 gts 4.0 pdk. The m2 is more fun, I describe it as a puppy on the beach just romping around saying cmon let’s play let’s play! (btw please stop calling the n55 ‘the base’ they were never available at the same time.) The gts is a much more serious car. Finding the edges of its capabilities is scarier and more nuanced. You need time in it to learn how to extract more, for example I can tell you are not being as aggressive with the throttle and you are not trusting the suspension as much as you could. Also your downshifts were pretty sloppy, keep the revs up as you go through the corners. I mean, do what you feel is safe, but there is SO MUCH more to be found in that gts. For me, zero regrets after I found out more about its capabilities. Took me a few months though. Great video and I respect your opinion.
I was surprised you gave the bmw the edge in those one. It looked like you had smiles and giggles for days in the 718 boxster spyder video
That Spyder felt a lot more hardcore than this stock GTS 4.0, and top down added to the smile factor
The Spyder is much sportier than the GTS, including less sound deadening, shorter shifter, and front suspension from a 991 GT3
@@joe718gt4 ah. Thanks! Did not know that bit
Why are you driving a auto like a manual when u have paddles......
M2 com, in long run maintenance n parts easier to do
Gotta admit. Porsche got it beat here.
No back seats on the cayman, that’s whack
There’s an engine there, bro….
Evan Loompia_M2!
Ehh, I'd go with the BMW in this selection. Idk why but I'd definitely go with the m2
Uhhh the M2 Comp is faster period over the GTS. In fact, in the SoCal tracks I frequent, the S55 M2/M3/M4s are generally faster than the GT4s. Not sure what you're talking about here.
I think if your reference is your local track, driving skill is the limiting factor here. If you're looking at Pro laptimes, even the 2.5 GTS is faster than an M2 Comp. These are laptimes around VIR at Car & Driver Lightning Lap
M2C 2:59.7
718 2.5 GTS 2:56.7
718 GT4 2:50.3
Heck, Randy Pobst ran 2.5 seconds faster around Streets of Willow in the older 981 Spyder(1:21.74) than the M2 Competition(1:24.30).
Perhaps why you see M2, M3, M4s faster around your local track is an FR layout is easier to drive, especially for less experienced drivers. In order to get the speed out of MR and RR layouts, you not only need to understand concepts like weight transfer, trailbraking, etc but you have to master them as well. Even more so true for a 911.
Well that aged poorly, and quite quickly 😂
Yet another pointless modded vs stock comparison, (no I don't care about the relative price points of the modded BMW vs stock Porsche - only a infinitesimally small percentage of owners ever mod their cars - that's a statistical fact no matter how full of such modded vehicles car forums or youtube are). You need to change the title of this video to say MODIFIED BMW M2 Competition vs ..... Otherwise it's a totally misleading title to what's actually being compared. When you have a title that implies stock vs stock, then test stock vs stock.
OR …. Go watch a different review 😂 this one is great
Sorry brother but thumbs down you know as well as I do that the Porsche is better but you choose the BMW cuz of bias preference in my opinion.
Well, that depends on what you're after.
Great comparison! where'd you get that SpeedSF shirt? @zygerene I want one haha.
m2 looks 500 times better.
LOL. Is that you, Kutcher?