No purple lasers? No technicals? NO JOHN CONNOR?! NO SKYNET?!!!I’m putting a bounty on the heads of the rebel scum behind this..2000000 my imperial credits alive.
This film is about individuality which is a stupid reason because she didnt earned it that much all she did was giving em hope in one scene but thats not enough a leader does leader things which is why John in T2 came up with the idea on destroying Skynet before inception in their timeline.
Dragonfury3000 well I mean, John Conner has the same process happen to him, well he would have, but he got killed. So in reality, neither of them earned it.
Point the movie is trying to make is that judgement day is inevitable. John connor isnt important anymore because the actions in t2 stopped that version of judgement day. Man will continue to create an artificial intelligence that will eventually become judgement day and the human race will always win in the end. "Human created it, humans can destroy it" Grace made it clear in the movie. John dies in the beginning because he is no longer important. They destroyed the arm and chip in t2. No more skynet = no more john Conner leader of resistance caus it never happened.
@@patrickrkruger "who gave you permission to look at my private parts?" "Where are the prisoners? They are called detainees" like who wrote that and thought yeah that is oscar worthy.
It sucks but it would make sense since they never really gave a reason for Skynet to not send more terminators in case one didn't cut it the first time... But yeah let's butcher your nostalgia with 12 gauge...
After watching Dark Fate, I have a new found respect and appreciation for Salvation. It had it's problems for sure, but at least it tried something different, and actually attempted to move the story forward instead of recycling the same plot line over and over again.
I actually liked salvation when I was younger and still do, but I could tell by the trailers these new ones we're gonna be ass, didn't even bother watching them LoL
Never understood the massive hate boner people had for Salvation, it aint perfect but it was a nice step into the future war many wanted to see , i guess its something similar to Star Wars where many hated the prequels with passion, chatised Lucas for ruining the franchise and literally thoughy anyone could do a better job, actually celebrates when Disney bought the franchise only to see how much worse it got , i see a similar case here where it took films this bad for some people to question why other movies were "bad"
like shit... all that i can think of it now is i born to late to explore the world and too soon for galaxy exploration... but right on time to see this shit!
Wait Joe gave genesis an 8? Wait he even says this is better than every movie after T2... Lol okay honestly they need to have alex front and center for these movie discussions cause joe is out of his element.
Killing off John Connor in the opening scene had me thinking they were going to take it in a new and interesting direction... but we ultimately just get Connor and Skynet surrogates which made it all meaningless.
@@jmedrano704 I agree. And technically John Connor did die in the future war, Katherine Brewster take over as the leader, there u go Hollywood, Katherine can be your Woke hero.
I don´t think so. I wouldn´t say "meaningless". It´s just another timeline now with different protagonists. "Surrogates", I do agree with that. However I think, this film gets harsher criticism than it actually deserves because of nostalgia goggles. I mean, I understand that it´s a franchise, but I kind of enjoy a slightly different angle within the same story. I´m a sci-fi geek. I like Doctor Who (well, not currently, but in the past), I enjoyed Final Fantasy 13-2, I actually enjoyed Genisys, but I think this one, Dark Fate is such much more well crafted. I actually enjoyed all the characters and if you really think about it, the plot actually makes sense, too and is a very interesting sort of different perspective. I would be bummed out, if this will actually be the last one of the series...
I actually think, Joe sums it up perfectly from 21:27 on. I would totally agree with that. Although I probably enjoyed the whole thing more than Joe did, because I´m also not that nostalgic about the whole franchise. T1 is still my favorite BY FAR....
wiggles877 yeah how many are there now? i've seen the first two and unfortunately that 3rd one in theaters a long time ago. then it's genysis? i think there's one more before that. then there's the other one. then there's dark fate? so that's 1 2 3 4 5 6 in total? 6. I have no idea. and I don't care. there are only 2.
Two ironies: They made a token gender switch and sitting right there is Linda Hamilton/Sarah Connor, one of THE earliest badass female characters I can remember. Like we've already done this - and properly too. Second: They mock "your womb is important, not you', but that is precisely part of what made T2 great - Mother's tenacious defense of what comes out of that womb - her son. In comparison, New Female Lead Character has no emotional hook with the audience. She wants to be ME - NOW - not live in a mineshaft - end of story. Well that story isn't remotely in the same league as Sarah Connor's story.
Very well put my friend. I personally wish that the order of the films would have just been T1, T2, Terminator Salvation, then another future war film that continued the battle against Skynet with an absolute ending with some epic final battle against all of the remaining humans Vs all of Skynet lol I believe that would have been perfect 😂
@@Ganon999 i know right ellen ripley is my hero as well as sarah connor, cant see anyone male or femake in these roles, i do however wonder what it woulda been like if sigorgney was sarah and linda was ripley!
@@deeplaysgaming4754 both of them can switched roles and i believe they are still believable compared to these current fake female shove-on-our-face fighter.
Ikr... i hate these woke stuff like "there's no strong female representation in the past"...i mean just look at characters from the 80s and 90s like sarah connar, ellen ripley, kill bill, lara croft all of em just got overlooked by the hypocritical woke feminists who dont actually care about actual female characters but just want whatever the men were having
then they'll retcon Alien 3 and up and make Aliens Dark Fate that'll make Alien 1 and 2 pointless. seriously, i feel people complaining about T3 and up is what brought Dark Fate into creation.
@@edwinplayer The only thing that brought this into creation is the studios growing incompetency. They made mediocre sequels to one of the best action movies ever and they got the reception they deserve.
I actually feel like these are VERY different scenarios. Hicks and Newt were (amazing) side-characters, but NEVER the core of the franchise story. I actually loved the shocker of their deaths, as it was brutally realistic, even though I absolutely loved and missed their characters, it felt like an actual plot development, instead of a “how can we make a sequel?” Scenario, like Dark Fate does. In this franchise though, John Conner has ALWAYS been the absolute key to the series, even if Sarah is technically the protagonist. So basically, I agree with your point, even if I view it a different way. F*** this film.
anyone remember that really old video where its an "alternate" ending to T2 and its Anrold sinking and rather than a thumbs up it was a middle finger? cause when I found out about the beginning of Dark Fate. I just thought of that vid lol.
Salvation was ruined by its stupid trailer that gave away the fact Sam Worthington's character was a cyborg. The film itself was actually good because it was set in the Terminator universe without all the time travelling nonsense.
"I've got a great idea for continuing a franchise. Let's kill off the main character and then we'll recon everything making everything in the franchise completely pointless!"
Name an interesting thing about John Connor. He's not even a character he's always just been a plot device, a super weak plot device. His death scene was stupid but the series should never have hinged on him so much. It's pretty much the same as the Skywalkers in Star Wars. They don't own The Force and yet the movies constantly have to be about them, even though The Force doesn't work like that. Both franchises have desperately needed to move on and so have the fanbases, nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
@@DravicPL Are you one of these nerds who thinks Star Wars should be about the Skywalkers even though it's literally Star. Wars. and there was a huuuuge amount of material not about them that was much more interesting? I'm not even that big a fan of Star Wars and I can see how fundamentally stupid it is that The Force revolves around one shitty family for no sensible reason. heck, makes it seem like midi-chlorians are a thing and they're the only people left who have them. That what you want then Mr. 13 year old?
@@Arcexey It means that they stopped Skynet from happening in T2. But now they made ANOTHER AI that is going to destroy humanity named Legion. AKA they stopped Skynet, but it was all for nothing. It's like Jurassic Park, but now there is a NEW park named Jurassic World. Same with First Order. The same, but different...but still the exact same damn thing.
The most impressive thing about this movie was that a T-101 managed to grow a conscience even though the default setting was supposed to be "read-only." Seems like poor design.
And I like how he casually walks away after shooting a child in the chest with a shotgun at point blank range and no one dose anything to stop him or pursue him. No cops or anything lol. He just somehow ended up being able to move into a nice little house in the woods and then this robots feels "guilt" for murdering a kid.
Wait, so if all the Terminators had the ability to have emotions based from this movie. Well then what was the f**king point of removing the inhibitor chip in T-2? They already had a reason as to not go beyond their programming, so unless Skynet wanted a bunch of emotional, liabilities to themselves left in the past who could one day possibly want to stop Skynet because of their grief/regret, with all their knowledge and skills with no backup plans then Skynet just killed themselves.
How would Skynet know that their AI would develop that way though? They only live in their present, they have no way of knowing how the past could affect their machines. An AI can't really cover all bases. The whole series is pretty dumb anyway I don't know why people take each plot point so seriously. Like is Skynet stupid? Of course it is, it could literally just send one T-1000 back to cosplay as the President or other pivotal individuals and start WW3 that way.
The inhibitor is from a deleted scene, in T2 is clear that terminators learn more when they pass time with humans, nevertheless Uncle Bob(t-800 from t2) is reprogramed by the resistance so is parameters are to obey John and he commanded to be more human. The premissed of this movie is that when there are no more Skynet any T-800 are free. Which is kind of stupid, one of the subplots is that in t1 the t-800 help the humans to create skynet by his microchip...
Ugh. Agreed. Also, why didn't Carl kill her? The woman that trained John Connor seems like she'd be an obvious secondary target if not a credible threat.
Hate to be this guy.........but they say in the movie once Karl killed John his mission was complete. Karl no longer had to kill anything else by Skynet order.
@@ethanminajj That's because Skynet sent multiple terminators to different dates. So the terminator that she killed 2 years ago was still sent at the exact same time as the others.
@@Lirka_906 Skynet sending these multiple terminators kinda contradicts Terminator 1 when Kyle explicitly says that it is only he and T-800 which have travelled through time. But that's also has been retconned by T2, so I guess it is hard to complain.
I rewached T1 and T2 before this abomination and it made the disapointment greater... now watch Genysis looks like a good option to purify my soul after Dark Flop
If John Connor dies in this film it makes no sense and I won't watch it. Therefore, in my universe, there are still only two Terminator films - T1 and T2.
I can appreciate John being replaced if Judgment Day gets pushed back to the 2040s, but he'd only be like 40 in 2020. John Connor should have been the mentor character passing along his own torch.
In T3 the Terminator told John that he killed him. So its all just a plot about Timetravel and possible Effects of it. Every Terminator had another Actor playing John. The only shitty thing is the showing of the killing of john. Just like it was edited on a fullrush in 2min. And the execution also sucked cause instead of just blowing johns head off with his shotgun he shoots him in his chest so they can still have a joker - yeah john survived this attack in the next movie cause nobody wanna see the politic motivated "female hero" and "legion" shit.
a movie where they both leech off of and ignore past movies to make their movie "better" and kills off a popular/important character to see up a new character in the same role but no where near as cool/interesting? where have i seen this before? hmmmm.
Deaths Dollar For sure because Phase 4 is the SJW phase. Disney hooked us and now they are going to start pushing their SJW shit. Falcon & The Winter Soldier is going to focus on racism and America not wanting a black Captain America. Like dude we voted for a black president TWICE! The fuck out of here with that shit. I was so excited for that show till they said that.
That's because the woke "creators" can't do anything on their own, they always stick their garbage to already established characters and then they try to kill them because theirs can't succeed otherwise. They killed Star Wars and all its important characters to the point that real fans don't even consider their movies being canon. Remember this movie's director started flaming their "misogynistic and bigoted" audience 3 months ago, before the movie was done even filming for the movie's future failure. The damage control started back then and they knew it will fail, but they couldn't stop pushing their woke garbage.
@@KidCas1031 I just wonder why that if sjws are a such a small group of people who dont even watch these movies anyway who the hell is giving them all the power to make all our movies into garbage!? Is it crab people!?
@@analothor T3 was not appropriate. It was an absolutely pathetic joke. Soooo bad, so cringy. It's a comedy. The only good Termintors are 1 & 2. The rest are shit (the one with Christian Bale is respectable but the rest are cheap, horrid cash grabs).
Mrtwistedblack first 2 movies spend the entire storyline protecting John and expressing how important he is to the future. He is the leader of the human resistance. Then they just undo all of it for some woke SJW bullshit. Horrible movie. 2/10. Only reason it’s not a 1/10 is because there were a few action scenes that were really nice. The Rev-9 was constantly getting his ass whooped. Main protagonists were overpowered in that regard. Linda Hamilton seemed so out of place.. she just didn’t seem like a main character. Even with this jacked up rewritten storyline it could have been masterful if done properly. I like some of the ideas. But killing off the most important character and introducing 2 more new ones and bringing back 2 originals from 3 decades ago doesn’t write the wrong
@@conormcdaddyofficialdickri312 TBH though, the need for John Connor disappeared when they destroyed Skynet. T2's ending is the ending of John Connor. Dark Fate just plays on this, saying; "John is no longer needed in the future, so now he can grow old and live a care-free life, just like Sarah wanted in T2". Then BAM, he is murdered pointlessly by a terminator. Sarah won over Skynet, at the cost of her only son. So you see, it was never John's story, it was Sarah's. Which, to be honest, should be quite obvious. So, Dark Fate is an ending (and a new beginning) for Sarah. It's an ending because Skynet is no more, and the last remnants died with Carl. It's also a beginning because she needs to prepare Dani for a new future. And, again, tbh, Legion fits better as a comment on todays digital life than Skynet does. Skynet was a communist scare stand in, where Skynet nuked the world. Legion is a surveillance/digital tracing scare, whereas humanity nuked the world to kill it.
Am I only one here who actually loved Treminator Salvation. Salvation at least tried something new and you cannot say that for the rest of these carbon copies.
I always loved Salvation aswell...Terminator Salvation was ment to lead into the big 2029 Future War with further seqeuls but the so called ''fans'' ruined that chance by review bombing the movie at the time...Terminator Salvation wasnt perfect but it atleast broke the series free from this standard chase movie/timetravel formula which we have seen mulitple times now and they also had badass and fresh new designs for the machines in the future.
Chilean Guy #6 we should all just accept that all our favourite 80s and 90s franchises are dead and we should just imagine that modern movies don’t exist at this point
@@dillonn3918 Or stop being hypocritical assholes and listen to your own opinion, instead of following what everyone says about the movies they watch. It's your opinion and its your choice. If people hate it, your friends hate it ok that's fine but that doesn't mean you can't love it.
ragemonkey117 no because she wasn’t really badass in the first one at least not as much as the 2nd one anyways, plus there wasn’t this border patrol, or illegal immigrant woke shit
@@ragemonkey117 It wasn't forced in the first two films. Ppl who cite old movies with female leads as some kind of evidence that today's female lead movies (usually at the expense of pre established male characters) are the same have no clue of what they are talking about. Zero.
Did anyone expect this movie to be good? The whole time travel thing is just old and worn out. All films like this and Star Wars and Alien etc can do is desperately try to recapture the magic of the originals. I have to agree with the Critical Drinker, these new movies just rely on nostalgia instead of good storytelling to carry them. I'm glad I haven't been to a theater in 8 years. I feel like I've missed nothing.
hey the marvel movies were the reason to go to the theaters in the past few years if you missed the avengers movies you missed out of some important movies of this generation
@@deathsdollar2606 That's true but I saw all 23 of them when they came out on Blu Ray. After all you only have to wait a few months and they are out on streaming or disc. I used to go to the theater at least twice a month so I'm not some guy who never went but as my set up got better and better,just paid $1500 for a Denon Ave X4400H with amp for 15 speakers and an entire Atmos set up,I felt less need to go to a theater. I'm not bragging,just pointing out the fact that almost anyone now can have a really good movie experience in the comfort of your home with friends and family instead of a mob of people. Back in the day when you had a small Curtis Mathis tv with crappy sound the theater was an great place to be but after I saw The Tree of Life in an art house theater in Chicago I wondered why I even bothered anymore. One of the best experiences I had in a theater was seeing Aliens on opening night,not much is gonna top that.
@@deathsdollar2606 And yes I loved Infinity War and Endgame but I'm good with not seeing any more Marvel films since I feel things came to a close well.
The worst part is, they essentially negated the importance of John Connor. Essentially, what happens is if you kill John Connor, you still get Judgement Day but someone else will be the savior, thereby negating its importance and makes Skynet/Legion's efforts pointless.
It works as a scale...from a certain point of view. Check it: 10/10 is the greatest movie ever made. 8/10 is mediocre 6/10 is STRAIGHT TRASH! So, if we're going on a 5-Star Scale: Angry Joe's "8/10" would be a solid 3-Stars 6/10 would be 1-Star and 10/10, of course, would be 5-Stars. You just have to know the context...as "angry" as Joe is, he's actually quite a considerate person and very diplomatic in his approach... ...except to Alex....to Alex, he's kind of a dick.
@@pacemsilk8561 thats kinda confusing since angry joe rates games where: 1-2/10 is unplayable and terrible 3-4/10 is still playable, but has lots of problems a 5/10 is an average, but still playable game 6-7/10 is something unique and worth your time and you definitely wont be dissapointed 8-9/10 is something you absolutely cant miss, almost perfect with 1 or two things holding it back from perfection 10/10 is basically unachievable because it means absolutely flawless.
@@benmasta5814 The real key here is that movie critics are afraid to rate anything below a 5 or else they might stop getting invited to rate movies and see them before anyone else. Or stop receiving many of the other "favors" they receive from the industry. Same reason you see video game critics bend over backwards to rate shitty games far more favorably than the community rates them, for fear they might lose access to the tools that make their job possible. For some reason, people still take professional critics seriously when the majority of them are not worth their salt. I prefer to go to someone who isn't afraid to tell it how it is like Angry Joe. Sometimes brutally honest for better or for worse, but absolutely necessary. Not just some boot licker that comforts the businessmen and tells them they are pretty when they strut around wearing trash just to remain in their good graces. If a company stops sending them review copies or refuses to do business with an honest critic, then they aren't worth my money either I say.
Or had Michel Dyson Jr be the creator of this new AI named Legion which is a even better Idea. Also have his wife be the military contact for Sarah. In my rewrite they remade Skynet but she began to learn at a rate not yet seen by others and John being the president asks to speak to Skynet after learning they remade it. They form a bond of some short like sister and brother bond and Sky net beings to understand more humans emotions. Then Legion is developed by another corporation by Michel and Danni’s character and shit happens. Sky net or Skylar even becomes a hybrid in my version which takes it further and tries to at least be in line with the lore of the show and brings in some comics to it as well.
21:05 "I guess youll never have children" Sometimes you can be a real douche bag, Joe. Probably should treat your friends better. All Alex is saying is that she should be mad enough to actually try and kill him or competent enough to focus on the mission. Having her in between makes her seem childish.
@@zechmerquise5281 indeed. i would have, over looked this large in your face problem. If they had, tank or Insect/bug terminators. They still kill so they are a terminator. Johns death, i kind of knew one of these movies would do it. Remember all men are bad, so we must kill the past. Hollywood is sick in the head. I think Hollywood only makes movies for China and certain over sea's markets. They no longer care about Home team. 80's 90's were different. Movies had good story's and CGI was used as touch ups, not entire movies. sad
they will still be humanoid because AI wants to infiltrate humans in a way of maximum efficiency to kill them...the a i. wouldn't need blue prints and would create terminators that looked like humans still because it would still come to the same conclusions that skynet did....
@@TRIOMONKEY3 maximum efficiency would be chemical warfare. Or go to the past were weapons are no match for them. There still is no way, part by part the machines being the same. The rev-9 has no bio tissue to match humans. like the rubber units, it would be spotted by the dogs. skynet got by, using living tissue. Skynet had help by having a 70% intact CPU being reversed engineered. Legion forms on it's own from software. There ideals would be 100% different.. if someone told 5 people, to build a house. you would get 5 different houses.. it would be a house, but very different from each other. I had a small problem with the T-800 also: when Skynet sends them out, they are only read-only CPU settings. He had no way of switching himself, to achieve learning new things. his skynet programming, would have him shut down in a safe place. Shut down and wait for judgement-day. His model would be very advance at the start of the war, and useful vs humans.
*HOLLYWOKE* *"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, EVER, until you are progressive." - Kyle = Truth* *DARK FATE* *Just let that sink in like the new terminator's knife did in our backs.*
Ahaahahahah, but so true. Not only did they produce a crap movie, but they want to kill off & make T1 & T2 pointless. No way is Dark Fate my T3, I pizzz all over that movie.
why send single Terminator all throughout the 90s when Skynet could've just send em together to work as a squad. and why would a terminator feel "bad" about what it did and went on to have a family. I guess when Kyle told Sarah that terminators are merciless, unfeeling, unstoppable killing machines, he was lying.
In Terminator 1 Kyle said that they did already win the war, in the future, it wasn't necessary for Skynet to mess with time travel during the war because it was using resources to fight the human resistance. Skynet sent a Terminator back in time as a last ditch effort to win because by that time, the human resistance had already won, thanks to John Connor. Skynet actually inadvertently created John Connor as a warlord because they introduced a Terminator to Sarah Connor, giving her knowledge due to Kyle's time travel, thus concluding in Terminator 2. TL;DR The future resistance won the war. Skynet only sent one Terminator because it was a last ditch, desperate attempt to assassinate the future leader, only to end up creating him. A paradox, which is why the first two films was so brilliant.
And a Terminator shouldn't feel anything, that was just dumb to put in the movie. I saw an AD on Twitter saying "even a machine can become human." They probably thought it was a good idea to do that. T2 did that way better by having uncle Bob sacrifice himself. In T1 Kyle said Terminators have no concept of feelings.
Joe: I hate this movie. It sucks! Alex: Yeah I agree! That one scene sucked! Joe: You're wrong Alex! That scene was perfect! You just haven't lost someone close!
Democritus86 I get that, but Joe didn’t have to chew his ass out for not understanding and relating to that scene. That made the video awkward. I would’ve gotten really offended if I was Alex.
Joe, I wish you would touch on the review boosting that is taking place on rotten tomatoes. The 4-5 star user reviews that are being posted in 1-2 minute increments by “verified” reviewers with generic names and no avatars is highly suspicious. I think the studios have found a way to game the user reviews. Either that or Tencent is trying somehow to recoup their initial 10% budget investment.
They didn't even have to do that. It would have been cool if Ed Furlong and Linda Hamilton came back as ass kicking mother and son. They could explain that they did stop the Skynet timeline but now they've discovered that other timelines have emerged from it. They could have told the same story.
@@BeSkeptical851 Ed Furlong has been in and out of hospitals and rehab centers for years. He lost custody of his baby son, who was allegedly tested positive of cocaine. Add to that his cases of close relationship violence. He's not a sane person.
I actually didn't mind John Connor dying. They stopped Skynet in T2. His mission was over. Saying that his death made T1 and T2 pointless isn't really true in my opinion. They did everything they had to do. This is another threat, that requires new things. What I wasn't a big fan of is that they just did the same thing again. Another kid that is supposed to become the new big fighter of the future. I would have preferred a "smaller" movie than what we got. With T2 it felt so real, even though it was fake. Because they actually did a lot of the stunts. Would have loved to see more of that instead. That said: I still thought the movie was "good". Nothing spectacular or anything, but a fairly good time at the movies. A lot better than anything else we've gotten since T2.
That scene with Sarah just being depressed talking about John sitting on a log near Carl house was quite emotional. Fun fact: there's a very similar deleted scene with Sarah and Reese in the original Terminator.
@Joslyn Vazquez Honestly, the fact that the whole sequel trilogy will have taken place within a couple weeks at the end should piss people off more than it does.
I’m going to be honest I haven’t seen any Terminator movies since Terminator Salvation. I just lost interest and with this double whammy I don’t want to watch something that will piss me off.
20:44 This look right here proves that Joe is really reaching with his rating here, and giving his partners shit for not agreeing with him. What Alex is saying makes perfect sense, and for some reason Joe refuses to see it
What Alex was saying didnt make no sense. Obviously Sarah knew that shooting him ANYWHERE with a pistol won't kill him. But THAT TERMINATOR KILLED HER SON! she is obviously fucking PISSED because she hasn't seen him in 30 years or so. Alex is literally throwing a random temper tantrum over this understandable scene.
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What the Terminator franchise has forgotten to be is a horror movie first and a science fiction/action movie second. That's been the missing formula all along in my opinion. If they just let T2 be the end of the story, and instead take us back to the future past of Johns story who sent the T-800 back to T2s timeline, make it a horror film first and foremost, then we could have something cool.
Absolynth While I haven't seen the movie, I believe your comment is spot on. An audience needs to feel for a movies character, to have enough of a connection with them to feel frightened for them. The first movie did that well, but the series dropped that to evoke a power fantasy in the audience. Boring.
I would really dig the "Dani Ramos is the creator of Legion" twist. The Rev-9 is actually sent from the future by a clone John Connor to prevent Judgement day.
@@brucewayne-ej3cx I like good writing, an original captivating plot, interesting characters, appropriate casting, linear story telling in franchises.. What are you 12 years old?
@@brucewayne-ej3cx Dude, John Connor dies in the begining of the movie (that for itself is the dumbest way to handle a character you don't know what to do anymore), wich is reason enough to be pissed, but beyond that there is also Arnold as the old terminator who sudenly realizes killing people isn't nice (what he was build to do) after completing it's mission and decides to form a family, what about the lore, the consistency from what we saw in T2, that terminators are unable to feel emotions, that their learning capacity is blocked in their chips before they are teleported to the past? Just plain dumb. You may like it for it's action scenes or the message it try to show, but as someone who loves the first two movies, I don't feel this is a sequel. Remove Sarah, John and Arnold from it, change it's name to Legion: Dark Fate and I would have no problems with it.
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And a 3/10.
hey joseph!
I've been telling them. Guess they really don't listen to you at all.
Gotta cover all bases because he always changes his mind.
Lmfao 💯
No purple lasers? No technicals? NO JOHN CONNOR?! NO SKYNET?!!!I’m putting a bounty on the heads of the rebel scum behind this..2000000 my imperial credits alive.
John connor: i cant believe what they did to my character!
Luke skywalker: first time?
@Diarmid O'Connor /cry
@Diarmid O'Connor Cry more
@Diarmid O'Connor Poor baby.
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Dude Luke Skywalker was a badass, and now they made him into a bitch.
By erasing John, they also erased Sarah's importance. Also, erased is the message of the original film of motherhood and hope.
@falchulk But her baby is not humanity's savior, she is.
This film is about individuality which is a stupid reason because she didnt earned it that much all she did was giving em hope in one scene but thats not enough a leader does leader things which is why John in T2 came up with the idea on destroying Skynet before inception in their timeline.
Technically Edward furlong is half Mexican.
Dragonfury3000 well I mean, John Conner has the same process happen to him, well he would have, but he got killed. So in reality, neither of them earned it.
Point the movie is trying to make is that judgement day is inevitable. John connor isnt important anymore because the actions in t2 stopped that version of judgement day. Man will continue to create an artificial intelligence that will eventually become judgement day and the human race will always win in the end. "Human created it, humans can destroy it" Grace made it clear in the movie. John dies in the beginning because he is no longer important. They destroyed the arm and chip in t2. No more skynet = no more john Conner leader of resistance caus it never happened.
This movie shouldn't exist.
Time to go back to the past and stop this.
I’ll be back.
[Mission Acquire]
TERMINATE THE FILM BEFORE POST PRODUCTION.
Newsflash: He won’t be back...
There's no genders but what we make for ourselves." -Dani Ramos, Feminator: Dark Poop
Ducktapes a knife to a roomba, tosses it into a hotub, and pours Chernobly over the control panel....... Welp lets see how this goes
😂😂😂🌛
“I saved 3 Billion lives, but I couldn’t save my son. Now I, am Terminated.”
Whoever wrote that line should be thrown into a pit of lava
Judging by the dialog in Titanic, probably James Cameron
@@patrickrkruger "who gave you permission to look at my private parts?" "Where are the prisoners? They are called detainees" like who wrote that and thought yeah that is oscar worthy.
ew
Just like 80s movies, right?
StepKickKing What the fuck, is this Terminator or a Shakespeare play?
Movie starts:
John Connor: ight ima head out
T-800/Carl: Let me.
John Connor: shit, I'm in the wrong movie.
Movie start..
Arnold T800: ''Hasta la vista, you little whiny bitch''.
John connor: You said you wouldn't kill anyone.
Arnold T800: Why?
I walked out when that happened
It sucks but it would make sense since they never really gave a reason for Skynet to not send more terminators in case one didn't cut it the first time... But yeah let's butcher your nostalgia with 12 gauge...
After watching Dark Fate, I have a new found respect and appreciation for Salvation. It had it's problems for sure, but at least it tried something different, and actually attempted to move the story forward instead of recycling the same plot line over and over again.
I actually liked salvation when I was younger and still do, but I could tell by the trailers these new ones we're gonna be ass, didn't even bother watching them LoL
I've always loved Terminator salvation, sure it's not Perfect. it's at least the 3rd best terminator movie in the franchise you gotta admit
Salvation? Problems? Are you kidding me? After this woke garbage fire, Salvation is FLAWLESS.
Never understood the massive hate boner people had for Salvation, it aint perfect but it was a nice step into the future war many wanted to see , i guess its something similar to Star Wars where many hated the prequels with passion, chatised Lucas for ruining the franchise and literally thoughy anyone could do a better job, actually celebrates when Disney bought the franchise only to see how much worse it got , i see a similar case here where it took films this bad for some people to question why other movies were "bad"
Everyday I'm appreciating Salvation more because at least they were original. Unlike these new films
Compatriot 🙏 so very true
I don’t get the hate for Salvation. Tbh I really enjoyed the movie...
Salvation was incredibly boring, though. The dialog was super flat and Christian Bale was completely wasted.
I love salvation tbh after these new movie this is more and more better
Not just original. the movie actually go future war & no more time travel BS that break timeline into pieces.
Skynet was such a cool sounding thing. Legion is so generic.
Skyleg sounds best
Legion and Grace. Stolen straight out of the Bible.
I wonder why it couldn't just stay skynet i mean was changing it to legion really that big of change!?
But it's from the bible. Ooooooooh, you remember the bible right? We are legion. Oooooooooh, we're such clever writers, where's my back scratcher?
Name should be called legion that net the sky
To me, everything after Terminator 2 never happened.
Me too.
I could even do it with T3 honestly, i'll take it over Dark Fate.
not my movie!
same, the last good Terminator was T2.
Come on Terminator Salvation was enjoyable. Sound design was great, Casting was great and Marcus was a cool character.
How's it feel to live long enough to see your favorite franchises go down in flames?
like shit... all that i can think of it now is i born to late to explore the world and too soon for galaxy exploration... but right on time to see this shit!
Insert Rich Evans laugh~
I am incredibly depressed. Star Wars, Terminator, Marvel (it's about to go even more woke), Men In Black, Disney, etc. are all losing my interest.
Terminator, Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who guess its back to books, even read every Ryanverse novel and new Jack Ryan season 2 is shit
Who would have said Karate Kid fans are the lucky ones?
See you in 5 to 10 years when they try to unsuccessfully reboot Terminator again.
At this rate, they’ll maybe even do a REMAKE and start from scratch 👀
@@blootube97 wouldn't be surprised if they get the Rock or someone to the new t800
Wait Joe gave genesis an 8? Wait he even says this is better than every movie after T2... Lol okay honestly they need to have alex front and center for these movie discussions cause joe is out of his element.
Probably next year the way they pump this shit out
More like 2 to 3 years. Just like last time.
Killing off John Connor in the opening scene had me thinking they were going to take it in a new and interesting direction... but we ultimately just get Connor and Skynet surrogates which made it all meaningless.
@@jmedrano704 I agree. And technically John Connor did die in the future war, Katherine Brewster take over as the leader, there u go Hollywood, Katherine can be your Woke hero.
@@danskyl7279 THAT should've been the movie. Bryce would so rock as that too.
@@tiaferrandino4881 No it should be Claire Danes!
I don´t think so. I wouldn´t say "meaningless". It´s just another timeline now with different protagonists. "Surrogates", I do agree with that. However I think, this film gets harsher criticism than it actually deserves because of nostalgia goggles. I mean, I understand that it´s a franchise, but I kind of enjoy a slightly different angle within the same story. I´m a sci-fi geek. I like Doctor Who (well, not currently, but in the past), I enjoyed Final Fantasy 13-2, I actually enjoyed Genisys, but I think this one, Dark Fate is such much more well crafted. I actually enjoyed all the characters and if you really think about it, the plot actually makes sense, too and is a very interesting sort of different perspective. I would be bummed out, if this will actually be the last one of the series...
I actually think, Joe sums it up perfectly from 21:27 on. I would totally agree with that. Although I probably enjoyed the whole thing more than Joe did, because I´m also not that nostalgic about the whole franchise. T1 is still my favorite BY FAR....
Going to do what I always do when a new Terminator comes out. Ignore it and watch the first two.
that's just crazy enough that it might work.
Amazon got my money for T1 and T2.
wiggles877 it's a tradition for me, lol!
wiggles877 yeah how many are there now? i've seen the first two and unfortunately that 3rd one in theaters a long time ago.
then it's genysis? i think there's one more before that. then there's the other one. then there's dark fate?
so that's 1 2 3 4 5 6 in total? 6. I have no idea. and I don't care. there are only 2.
You're missing out i saw it I'm very pleased with that they've done.
Two ironies: They made a token gender switch and sitting right there is Linda Hamilton/Sarah Connor, one of THE earliest badass female characters I can remember. Like we've already done this - and properly too. Second: They mock "your womb is important, not you', but that is precisely part of what made T2 great - Mother's tenacious defense of what comes out of that womb - her son. In comparison, New Female Lead Character has no emotional hook with the audience. She wants to be ME - NOW - not live in a mineshaft - end of story. Well that story isn't remotely in the same league as Sarah Connor's story.
Very well put my friend. I personally wish that the order of the films would have just been T1, T2, Terminator Salvation, then another future war film that continued the battle against Skynet with an absolute ending with some epic final battle against all of the remaining humans Vs all of Skynet lol I believe that would have been perfect 😂
@@Ganon999 i know right ellen ripley is my hero as well as sarah connor, cant see anyone male or femake in these roles, i do however wonder what it woulda been like if sigorgney was sarah and linda was ripley!
@@deeplaysgaming4754 both of them can switched roles and i believe they are still believable compared to these current fake female shove-on-our-face fighter.
Ikr... i hate these woke stuff like "there's no strong female representation in the past"...i mean just look at characters from the 80s and 90s like sarah connar, ellen ripley, kill bill, lara croft all of em just got overlooked by the hypocritical woke feminists who dont actually care about actual female characters but just want whatever the men were having
That opening seriously hurt when I saw it, that felt like a knife to the gut and it pissed me off for the rest of the movie.
Kyle Reese died for nothing. Thank you Cameron.
Uncle Bob also died for nothing.
Miles Dison also died for nothing in T2,remember he sacrificed himself to prevent Skynet.
Wasn't Cameron just one of FIVE writers?
@@doublep1980 And they did. Skynet was wiped from existence. How is that hard for you people to understand?1
Cameron gives zero fucks. He took the money, said whatever he needed to say, and sailed off to finish his Blue Pocahontas
They kill John Connor , I will never watch this movie
Same bro, same. Total BS.
It is why i'm watching this video, cause i don't care anymore.
Yes, please spare yourself, it's disturbing what they did. Tim Miller and Ruin Johnson are both sociopaths.
Y'all are super fucking dramatic lol
@@DarthMacchio Yes they are.
I thought we made it pretty clear to Hollywood that we didn’t like the beginning of Alien 3???
then they'll retcon Alien 3 and up and make Aliens Dark Fate that'll make Alien 1 and 2 pointless. seriously, i feel people complaining about T3 and up is what brought Dark Fate into creation.
@@edwinplayer The only thing that brought this into creation is the studios growing incompetency. They made mediocre sequels to one of the best action movies ever and they got the reception they deserve.
Cameron was pissed at Alien 3, so what does he do in Dark Fate? Idiot.
I actually feel like these are VERY different scenarios. Hicks and Newt were (amazing) side-characters, but NEVER the core of the franchise story. I actually loved the shocker of their deaths, as it was brutally realistic, even though I absolutely loved and missed their characters, it felt like an actual plot development, instead of a “how can we make a sequel?” Scenario, like Dark Fate does. In this franchise though, John Conner has ALWAYS been the absolute key to the series, even if Sarah is technically the protagonist.
So basically, I agree with your point, even if I view it a different way.
F*** this film.
anyone remember that really old video where its an "alternate" ending to T2 and its Anrold sinking and rather than a thumbs up it was a middle finger? cause when I found out about the beginning of Dark Fate. I just thought of that vid lol.
John dies in the first 5 minutes.
me: I'm out, this is trash
Don't blame you
@Karlimo never watched it someone spoiled it. I should thank him
amen
I wouldn't be surprised if EVERYONE walked out after that scene and that's the reason the movie failed at the box office
Fuck this shit. I'm out.
Terminator: Salvation isn't looking so bad now.
Atleast it did something new still stupid story, but atleast it wasn't t1,t2 rehash
I'll take genisys over this s***.
Nope still a trash movie
Fgc Lash why the language? There’s no need
Salvation was ruined by its stupid trailer that gave away the fact Sam Worthington's character was a cyborg.
The film itself was actually good because it was set in the Terminator universe without all the time travelling nonsense.
"I've got a great idea for continuing a franchise. Let's kill off the main character and then we'll recon everything making everything in the franchise completely pointless!"
Name an interesting thing about John Connor.
He's not even a character he's always just been a plot device, a super weak plot device. His death scene was stupid but the series should never have hinged on him so much.
It's pretty much the same as the Skywalkers in Star Wars. They don't own The Force and yet the movies constantly have to be about them, even though The Force doesn't work like that.
Both franchises have desperately needed to move on and so have the fanbases, nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
@@mrcheesemunch I assume you are the biggest "fan" of Disney Soy Wars then.
Fxck you.
@@mrcheesemunch Or, you know, you could flesh out the character instead of just off them. That'd work too.
@@mrcheesemunch or you know after t2 leave it alone.
@@DravicPL Are you one of these nerds who thinks Star Wars should be about the Skywalkers even though it's literally Star. Wars. and there was a huuuuge amount of material not about them that was much more interesting?
I'm not even that big a fan of Star Wars and I can see how fundamentally stupid it is that The Force revolves around one shitty family for no sensible reason. heck, makes it seem like midi-chlorians are a thing and they're the only people left who have them.
That what you want then Mr. 13 year old?
In 2017 we lost Alien
In 2018 we lost Predator
In 2019 we loose Terminator
What will we loose in 2020?!
You forgot about Star Wars and Star Trek
marvel
Loose? 🥴
Back To The Future.
The elections are in 2020 so that’ll be fun.
19:00
The moment Joe regrets giving the movie a high rating
He said 3/10 for fans 8/10 when brains turn off.
@@olah547 He said 3 out 10 to keep subs and avoid dislikes.
He is better reviewing games than movies
@@nixsis5281 you saying that genesys is better?
@@olah547 Did you hear me say that? No!
Joe: Skynet is gone. It is legion
Me: turns off video
Tekk Luthor what does that mean it is legion?
@@Arcexey It means that they stopped Skynet from happening in T2. But now they made ANOTHER AI that is going to destroy humanity named Legion. AKA they stopped Skynet, but it was all for nothing.
It's like Jurassic Park, but now there is a NEW park named Jurassic World.
Same with First Order.
The same, but different...but still the exact same damn thing.
@@Lirka_906 oh god that is even worse than I thought. definitely not seeing this garbage
Lirka Legion is the most unoriginal name, too. Guaranteed the writers came up with that right away with no thought afterwards.
Brian Boardwell yeah, even Genisys was at least original.
The most impressive thing about this movie was that a T-101 managed to grow a conscience even though the default setting was supposed to be "read-only." Seems like poor design.
Exactly
ANGRYJOE needs to see this and other like completely obvious failures
LMAO!!!
No wonder Skynet failed...The T-1000 would wreck Skynet in a few days.
Well that particular 800 could had beem set to read & write. It wasn't explained.
And I like how he casually walks away after shooting a child in the chest with a shotgun at point blank range and no one dose anything to stop him or pursue him. No cops or anything lol. He just somehow ended up being able to move into a nice little house in the woods and then this robots feels "guilt" for murdering a kid.
Joe: “I hate this, this, this, this, and this. It all sucks. 8/10”
Giving this and Blade Runner 2049 the same rating ...
Good god. 😖😑
he did say he was a megafan
And that is why Joe movie reviews suck, he’s a decent game critic but a terrible movie critic.
@@KaoruMzk he said as a dumb fun turn your brain off it's an 8 but as a terminator fan it's a 3
The mental gymnastics you went through to come up with an 8 score for this pile of crap film must have been exhausting....
Best Terminator quote ever: "I see now why you cry." FATE-ALITY!
Terminator: Gillette 😄
It's the best a soy boy can get.
Very good! i laughed my ass off at that.
"boys will be boys!"
As long as it triggers those lonely incels, sure why not? Separates the men from boys.
@Nostalgia Poodle wahmen,more like wah-men, as in wah, wah, wah, men crying and whining like a toddler. 😎😛😂
Wait, so if all the Terminators had the ability to have emotions based from this movie. Well then what was the f**king point of removing the inhibitor chip in T-2? They already had a reason as to not go beyond their programming, so unless Skynet wanted a bunch of emotional, liabilities to themselves left in the past who could one day possibly want to stop Skynet because of their grief/regret, with all their knowledge and skills with no backup plans then Skynet just killed themselves.
How would Skynet know that their AI would develop that way though? They only live in their present, they have no way of knowing how the past could affect their machines.
An AI can't really cover all bases. The whole series is pretty dumb anyway I don't know why people take each plot point so seriously.
Like is Skynet stupid? Of course it is, it could literally just send one T-1000 back to cosplay as the President or other pivotal individuals and start WW3 that way.
Shut your mind off and just stare at the screen it is the best way to enjoy this movie!
The inhibitor is from a deleted scene, in T2 is clear that terminators learn more when they pass time with humans, nevertheless Uncle Bob(t-800 from t2) is reprogramed by the resistance so is parameters are to obey John and he commanded to be more human. The premissed of this movie is that when there are no more Skynet any T-800 are free. Which is kind of stupid, one of the subplots is that in t1 the t-800 help the humans to create skynet by his microchip...
That is from a deleted scene
@@shanenonwolfe4109 No it's not, i have the original Terminator 2 153 min (Special Edition) | 156 min (Ultimate Cut) here on DVD.
I love how Alex offhandedly came up with a far superior plot for this movie.
I agree with Alex over joe most of the time
And it's surreal because Alex's plot is EXACTLY like my idea for a Terminator movie.
Joe should listen to Alex more during trailer reactions that way he wont get too hyped
Anybody who had 2 braincells left,realised that this movie would be a stinker,after the first trailer dropped.
That's true, I've noticed in alot of the trailer reactions that Joe gets way too over hyped about the trailer and Alex is just chill
They would never be hyped for anything again, Alex is a hater
Killed the most important thing to her. She lets him go and instead kills random Terminators for the next 30 years.
Ugh. Agreed. Also, why didn't Carl kill her? The woman that trained John Connor seems like she'd be an obvious secondary target if not a credible threat.
Hate to be this guy.........but they say in the movie once Karl killed John his mission was complete. Karl no longer had to kill anything else by Skynet order.
@@ethanminajj That's because Skynet sent multiple terminators to different dates. So the terminator that she killed 2 years ago was still sent at the exact same time as the others.
@@Lirka_906 Skynet sending these multiple terminators kinda contradicts Terminator 1 when Kyle explicitly says that it is only he and T-800 which have travelled through time. But that's also has been retconned by T2, so I guess it is hard to complain.
G Alad oh yeah I agree. But the only reason the retcon in T2 works is because Kyle couldnt know if something was sent after him.
Instead of buying a ticket for this movie im going to go buy terminator 2 on blu ray 😎
Smart man right here
Look for the extended cut, it’s even better!
I rewached T1 and T2 before this abomination and it made the disapointment greater... now watch Genysis looks like a good option to purify my soul after Dark Flop
Moron, don't let Hollywood have your money, not a single cent.
Start pirating movies.
Fake fan you should already own it on vhs.
If John Connor dies in this film it makes no sense and I won't watch it. Therefore, in my universe, there are still only two Terminator films - T1 and T2.
I can appreciate John being replaced if Judgment Day gets pushed back to the 2040s, but he'd only be like 40 in 2020. John Connor should have been the mentor character passing along his own torch.
how so idiotic and closed minded you are
@@crashingcoyote no he just knows how objectively garbage this film is sheep
In T3 the Terminator told John that he killed him. So its all just a plot about Timetravel and possible Effects of it. Every Terminator had another Actor playing John. The only shitty thing is the showing of the killing of john. Just like it was edited on a fullrush in 2min. And the execution also sucked cause instead of just blowing johns head off with his shotgun he shoots him in his chest so they can still have a joker - yeah john survived this attack in the next movie cause nobody wanna see the politic motivated "female hero" and "legion" shit.
@@DrSmile81 I don't count T3 as a proper Terminator movie either.
a movie where they both leech off of and ignore past movies to make their movie "better" and kills off a popular/important character to see up a new character in the same role but no where near as cool/interesting?
where have i seen this before? hmmmm.
Rey: **Force glare intensifies**
its gotten to the point that this is every franchise anymore and marvel movies are next im afraid!
Deaths Dollar For sure because Phase 4 is the SJW phase. Disney hooked us and now they are going to start pushing their SJW shit. Falcon & The Winter Soldier is going to focus on racism and America not wanting a black Captain America. Like dude we voted for a black president TWICE! The fuck out of here with that shit. I was so excited for that show till they said that.
That's because the woke "creators" can't do anything on their own, they always stick their garbage to already established characters and then they try to kill them because theirs can't succeed otherwise. They killed Star Wars and all its important characters to the point that real fans don't even consider their movies being canon. Remember this movie's director started flaming their "misogynistic and bigoted" audience 3 months ago, before the movie was done even filming for the movie's future failure. The damage control started back then and they knew it will fail, but they couldn't stop pushing their woke garbage.
@@KidCas1031 I just wonder why that if sjws are a such a small group of people who dont even watch these movies anyway who the hell is giving them all the power to make all our movies into garbage!? Is it crab people!?
Everything after T2 is alternate universe and therefore not relevant.
Terminator 3 was good enough
No, I think that you will find that all the films after T2 are (100%) official films. They are canon.
@@analothor T3 was not appropriate. It was an absolutely pathetic joke. Soooo bad, so cringy. It's a comedy. The only good Termintors are 1 & 2. The rest are shit (the one with Christian Bale is respectable but the rest are cheap, horrid cash grabs).
Salvation, T1,2,3 are relevant. Genesys and DF can fuck right off.
@@vincer9960 T3 is awesome.
"How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"
Feels bad. Very disappointing, and very bad.
LOL Shut UP
it makes me want to shoot myself
I'm numb to it by now.......
Makes me want to cry to be honest
I'm waiting for Terminator 7: Rise of the Vending Machines.
the Dew 1000?
Refer to the movie "maximum overdrive" baseball field scene
That already exists. First ten minutes of Maximum Overdrive.
EDIT: Dammit! AlleyStar beat me to it!
The Tommy Knockers also featured a person being killed by a vending machine.
Aren't those both Steven King? Maybe he's writting Terminator 7
James Bond is next on the chopping block.
Edwin G Fine by me. I’m a 47-y-o male, so don’t need any other rote Bond film. A Jane Bond film could be some fresh air.
Ver Coda no.
@@vercoda9997 nah
Ver Coda If you feel the need to state your gender and age, then you’re probably already in the wrong :l
@@vercoda9997 as if changing gender would change a film much anyway... Just make a different movie and character if you want a 'Jane Bond'
‘John Connor is dead’ "Terminator is dead to me"
Mrtwistedblack first 2 movies spend the entire storyline protecting John and expressing how important he is to the future. He is the leader of the human resistance.
Then they just undo all of it for some woke SJW bullshit.
Horrible movie. 2/10. Only reason it’s not a 1/10 is because there were a few action scenes that were really nice.
The Rev-9 was constantly getting his ass whooped. Main protagonists were overpowered in that regard. Linda Hamilton seemed so out of place.. she just didn’t seem like a main character.
Even with this jacked up rewritten storyline it could have been masterful if done properly. I like some of the ideas. But killing off the most important character and introducing 2 more new ones and bringing back 2 originals from 3 decades ago doesn’t write the wrong
@@conormcdaddyofficialdickri312 TBH though, the need for John Connor disappeared when they destroyed Skynet. T2's ending is the ending of John Connor. Dark Fate just plays on this, saying; "John is no longer needed in the future, so now he can grow old and live a care-free life, just like Sarah wanted in T2". Then BAM, he is murdered pointlessly by a terminator. Sarah won over Skynet, at the cost of her only son. So you see, it was never John's story, it was Sarah's. Which, to be honest, should be quite obvious.
So, Dark Fate is an ending (and a new beginning) for Sarah. It's an ending because Skynet is no more, and the last remnants died with Carl. It's also a beginning because she needs to prepare Dani for a new future. And, again, tbh, Legion fits better as a comment on todays digital life than Skynet does. Skynet was a communist scare stand in, where Skynet nuked the world. Legion is a surveillance/digital tracing scare, whereas humanity nuked the world to kill it.
2019 is the year of ruined franchises.
"The Past Must Die" - Wokenet
@@markuswien447 lmfao
Except the MCU.
@@treygoldsworthy1402 that shit is TRASH FOH
But there's more!!! [SW: Rise of Skywalker]
i am personally still pissed off they killed off John conner
‘80s nostalgia is so high right now that they could have printed money by going with a more Cameron-esque future war. What a shame.
Repeat after me: “This movie doesn’t exist. The only Terminator movies that exist are 1 & 2.”
What doesn't exist?
silverblade357 The other Terminator movies in the series.
That was true for everything after 2 before this movie, and it still holds true after this movie. Even Hollywoke won't defend money losers as canon.
@@MisfitPhobia What other movies? You mean that 3D ride and that TV show? Those weren't movies. Silly Jack.
I wish this was true also Star Wars new trilogy wasn’t made or any live action Disney movies
18:50 he doesn’t morph his hand into a gun, he already has a gun, and he morphs the “lunch bag” around the gun to hide it
21:19 "It's not a good movie." 8/10
Following that thread of though Joker got a 9/10 so it makes that movie "ok" 🤣🤣
like Jake Skywalker before him, John Goner died
Yes, now Share Connor is sad
No you can't be uncle bob that's impossible!!
Man a lot of franchise are burning to the ground in 2019
Star Wars. NEXT
@@JayaMadhavadas Will Star Wars has technically been crap ever since the prequel’s came out.
Am I only one here who actually loved Treminator Salvation. Salvation at least tried something new and you cannot say that for the rest of these carbon copies.
I liked it. Love would push it but I enjoyed it.
Should have continued from Salvation and focus on the future war.
Thought it was great
There are actually tons of people that like Salvation. Besides 1 and 2 I can actually dig Salvation, at least the first half.
I always loved Salvation aswell...Terminator Salvation was ment to lead into the big 2029 Future War with further seqeuls but the so called ''fans'' ruined that chance by review bombing the movie at the time...Terminator Salvation wasnt perfect but it atleast broke the series free from this standard chase movie/timetravel formula which we have seen mulitple times now and they also had badass and fresh new designs for the machines in the future.
Joe: makes it a angry rant
Also Joe: 8/10 movie
Me: *confused John Travolta*
Like confused John Travolta from the Fanatic 🥴
@@Capthowdy098 hahahaha I watched that tonight with family and we are not the same anymore.
What do you expect? Joe tells it like a televangelist would.
There's no genders but what we make for ourselves." -Dani Ramos, Feminator: Dark Poop
Wow. Does she really say that?
Youngblaise2 no
@@Youngblaise2 of course not
Lol that Dark Poop caught me off guard. Well done 😆
Im goNa STAND aNd FIGHT! -Dani Ramos, Wokinator Dark Flop
Joe is trying to like this movie and tries to make his own head canon.
LOL
Terminator: Dark Fart
Terminator: Whamen
Dark brown, more specifically :3
Mamminator: Dark dates.
Turdminator: Dark Shart
Terminator: Rise of the LGBT-1000
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to." rip Terminator.
Chilean Guy #6 we should all just accept that all our favourite 80s and 90s franchises are dead and we should just imagine that modern movies don’t exist at this point
@@dillonn3918 Or stop being hypocritical assholes and listen to your own opinion, instead of following what everyone says about the movies they watch. It's your opinion and its your choice. If people hate it, your friends hate it ok that's fine but that doesn't mean you can't love it.
Kingdom of Gamers I mean, if you love a shit movie then you do you. Guilty pleasure movies are a thing
@@Lightguardian_HOH so instead we should just follow yours and love everything that comes out of hollywwod cause "somebody worked HARD on it".
DOESNT SOUNDS LIKE AN 8 FILM
So basically the franchise died at the beginning of the movie to be “woke”
It died when t3 appeared on screen.
I think they did it more for shock value, same shit as in Genysys.
Are we forgetting that Linda Hamilton was the main character of the first movie? Was that "woke" too?
ragemonkey117 no because she wasn’t really badass in the first one at least not as much as the 2nd one anyways, plus there wasn’t this border patrol, or illegal immigrant woke shit
@@ragemonkey117 It wasn't forced in the first two films. Ppl who cite old movies with female leads as some kind of evidence that today's female lead movies (usually at the expense of pre established male characters) are the same have no clue of what they are talking about. Zero.
Why do they keep saying "If you don't think about this movie, it's and 8/10"
Can't you do that for every movie? So the real rating is 3/10?
Because he doesn't wanna say sorry for giving this a good score at first.
"Alex really wants that robot porn in there."
*flashbacks to Detroit: Become Human intro*
Did anyone expect this movie to be good? The whole time travel thing is just old and worn out. All films like this and Star Wars and Alien etc can do is desperately try to recapture the magic of the originals. I have to agree with the Critical Drinker, these new movies just rely on nostalgia instead of good storytelling to carry them. I'm glad I haven't been to a theater in 8 years. I feel like I've missed nothing.
hey the marvel movies were the reason to go to the theaters in the past few years if you missed the avengers movies you missed out of some important movies of this generation
@@deathsdollar2606 That's true but I saw all 23 of them when they came out on Blu Ray. After all you only have to wait a few months and they are out on streaming or disc. I used to go to the theater at least twice a month so I'm not some guy who never went but as my set up got better and better,just paid $1500 for a Denon Ave X4400H with amp for 15 speakers and an entire Atmos set up,I felt less need to go to a theater. I'm not bragging,just pointing out the fact that almost anyone now can have a really good movie experience in the comfort of your home with friends and family instead of a mob of people. Back in the day when you had a small Curtis Mathis tv with crappy sound the theater was an great place to be but after I saw The Tree of Life in an art house theater in Chicago I wondered why I even bothered anymore. One of the best experiences I had in a theater was seeing Aliens on opening night,not much is gonna top that.
@@deathsdollar2606 And yes I loved Infinity War and Endgame but I'm good with not seeing any more Marvel films since I feel things came to a close well.
It was a good movie
@@alayablack9104 There's no accounting for taste I guess.
The worst part is, they essentially negated the importance of John Connor. Essentially, what happens is if you kill John Connor, you still get Judgement Day but someone else will be the savior, thereby negating its importance and makes Skynet/Legion's efforts pointless.
2019 is when franchises get burned to flames
Nerd Boy2002 except avengers endgame
@@wokepointz7228 MCU is going to go up in flames soon... give it time
There's no genders but what we make for ourselves." -Dani Ramos, Feminator: Dark Poop
All there's left is star wars
@@wokepointz7228 That one was the first
Well we all know the real sequel to T2 is the Sarah Connor Chronicles anyway
Cersei totes beat Khaleesi when it comes to Sarah Connor.
Indeed
After seeing Dark Fate I now have a new appreciation for Rise of the Machines way more, along with Salvation.
8/10 for this film? I’m getting Suicide Squad flashbacks...
Joker 8/10, suicide squad 8/10, dark fate 8/10. Yeah they definitely can tell the difference between good and mediocre/ bad films. 😐
It works as a scale...from a certain point of view.
Check it:
10/10 is the greatest movie ever made.
8/10 is mediocre
6/10 is STRAIGHT TRASH!
So, if we're going on a 5-Star Scale:
Angry Joe's "8/10" would be a solid 3-Stars
6/10 would be 1-Star
and 10/10, of course, would be 5-Stars.
You just have to know the context...as "angry" as Joe is, he's actually quite a considerate person and very diplomatic in his approach...
...except to Alex....to Alex, he's kind of a dick.
@@pacemsilk8561 thats kinda confusing since angry joe rates games where:
1-2/10 is unplayable and terrible
3-4/10 is still playable, but has lots of problems
a 5/10 is an average, but still playable game
6-7/10 is something unique and worth your time and you definitely wont be dissapointed
8-9/10 is something you absolutely cant miss, almost perfect with 1 or two things holding it back from perfection
10/10 is basically unachievable because it means absolutely flawless.
@@benmasta5814 The real key here is that movie critics are afraid to rate anything below a 5 or else they might stop getting invited to rate movies and see them before anyone else. Or stop receiving many of the other "favors" they receive from the industry. Same reason you see video game critics bend over backwards to rate shitty games far more favorably than the community rates them, for fear they might lose access to the tools that make their job possible. For some reason, people still take professional critics seriously when the majority of them are not worth their salt. I prefer to go to someone who isn't afraid to tell it how it is like Angry Joe. Sometimes brutally honest for better or for worse, but absolutely necessary. Not just some boot licker that comforts the businessmen and tells them they are pretty when they strut around wearing trash just to remain in their good graces. If a company stops sending them review copies or refuses to do business with an honest critic, then they aren't worth my money either I say.
The rev-9 was holding the gun and formed his skin around it, making it look like he was holding a paper bag.
Having the girl be the 'Dyson' of the world to found Legion sounds like a much better idea. That would have been _something,_ at least.
Well girls are very good vacuum cleaners ;)
Or had Michel Dyson Jr be the creator of this new AI named Legion which is a even better Idea. Also have his wife be the military contact for Sarah. In my rewrite they remade Skynet but she began to learn at a rate not yet seen by others and John being the president asks to speak to Skynet after learning they remade it. They form a bond of some short like sister and brother bond and Sky net beings to understand more humans emotions. Then Legion is developed by another corporation by Michel and Danni’s character and shit happens. Sky net or Skylar even becomes a hybrid in my version which takes it further and tries to at least be in line with the lore of the show and brings in some comics to it as well.
21:05 "I guess youll never have children" Sometimes you can be a real douche bag, Joe. Probably should treat your friends better.
All Alex is saying is that she should be mad enough to actually try and kill him or competent enough to focus on the mission. Having her in between makes her seem childish.
I agree with Joe but he was way too harsh to alex
@@Jacko2371 Alex is a duche so it's cool.
@@heinzerbrew Alex is a cool douche tho'
Probably why he thinks the scene is so perfect, it speaks to AJs childish nature.
@Anoneemus Noename Spot on.
Riddle me this: how does the new Legion AI, have the blue prints from skynets builds?
@Dark Night hehe : each one was a Epic item. Legion got lucky on the 0.0100% chance :)
EXACTLY!!! Even if want to believe and accept this story, the fact that it makes no sense why the legion terminators looks the same as skynet
@@zechmerquise5281 indeed. i would have, over looked this large in your face problem. If they had, tank or Insect/bug terminators. They still kill so they are a terminator. Johns death, i kind of knew one of these movies would do it. Remember all men are bad, so we must kill the past. Hollywood is sick in the head.
I think Hollywood only makes movies for China and certain over sea's markets. They no longer care about Home team. 80's 90's were different. Movies had good story's and CGI was used as touch ups, not entire movies. sad
they will still be humanoid because AI wants to infiltrate humans in a way of maximum efficiency to kill them...the a i. wouldn't need blue prints and would create terminators that looked like humans still because it would still come to the same conclusions that skynet did....
@@TRIOMONKEY3 maximum efficiency would be chemical warfare. Or go to the past were weapons are no match for them. There still is no way, part by part the machines being the same. The rev-9 has no bio tissue to match humans. like the rubber units, it would be spotted by the dogs. skynet got by, using living tissue.
Skynet had help by having a 70% intact CPU being reversed engineered. Legion forms on it's own from software. There ideals would be 100% different.. if someone told 5 people, to build a house. you would get 5 different houses.. it would be a house, but very different from each other.
I had a small problem with the T-800 also: when Skynet sends them out, they are only read-only CPU settings. He had no way of switching himself, to achieve learning new things. his skynet programming, would have him shut down in a safe place. Shut down and wait for judgement-day. His model would be very advance at the start of the war, and useful vs humans.
When they shot John, I just stand up, and walk away from the theater
Derick James waste your money dumbass
Fgc Lash I’m gonna waste you
@@fgclash454 If you leave the movie theater within the first 30mins you can get a refund.
@@fgclash454 seeing this movie in theaters was already a waste of money
So you didn't know already lol sucks to be you
I cannot wait for the Terminator: Resistance.
*Revival*
*Return*
*Resurrection*
*Revenge*
*Reloaded*
*Requiem*
*Rise* oh wait they already used that one.
Isabel Rodriguez Sjölund Revamped
Rampancy
Ruined
Revengence
Response
Ranseed
Reloaded
Revelations
Retired and Extremely Dangerous
Red
Reinstated
Reinstalled
Ready to stop makin Shitt.
R*18
??!!
Runnin our of Ideas 1/2. LMFO .
*HOLLYWOKE*
*"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, EVER, until you are progressive." - Kyle = Truth*
*DARK FATE*
*Just let that sink in like the new terminator's knife did in our backs.*
Mommy how did dad die?
He took robot load to the chest
That was funny
Wtf 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
This one makes salvation look like a masterpiece
You funny
You’re a loser
Meh maybe it is little bit better as salvation.
Ahaahahahah, but so true. Not only did they produce a crap movie, but they want to kill off & make T1 & T2 pointless. No way is Dark Fate my T3, I pizzz all over that movie.
Salvation is actually really good.
The Terminator
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Terminator 2: Battle across time
Terminator: Salvation.
There. The only movies.
I love salvation but what is battle acros time?
@@Vagmodrising the one from Universal studios.
I here the terminator resistance game is actually pretty good and it sets up the first two movies
@@delta2372
Yup, there's early release gameplay. It has it's small flaws but makes up for it with gameplay, story and graphics.
@@DwayneHicks426 I thought graphics was one of the games flaws
why send single Terminator all throughout the 90s when Skynet could've just send em together to work as a squad.
and
why would a terminator feel "bad" about what it did and went on to have a family. I guess when Kyle told Sarah that terminators are merciless, unfeeling, unstoppable killing machines, he was lying.
Haha, yep.. Kyle was a lying maroon. And he died for nothing.
In Terminator 1 Kyle said that they did already win the war, in the future, it wasn't necessary for Skynet to mess with time travel during the war because it was using resources to fight the human resistance.
Skynet sent a Terminator back in time as a last ditch effort to win because by that time, the human resistance had already won, thanks to John Connor. Skynet actually inadvertently created John Connor as a warlord because they introduced a Terminator to Sarah Connor, giving her knowledge due to Kyle's time travel, thus concluding in Terminator 2.
TL;DR The future resistance won the war. Skynet only sent one Terminator because it was a last ditch, desperate attempt to assassinate the future leader, only to end up creating him. A paradox, which is why the first two films was so brilliant.
And a Terminator shouldn't feel anything, that was just dumb to put in the movie. I saw an AD on Twitter saying "even a machine can become human." They probably thought it was a good idea to do that. T2 did that way better by having uncle Bob sacrifice himself. In T1 Kyle said Terminators have no concept of feelings.
also surely the resistance would notice all the dates the terminators where sent too
and send resistance soliders after them
@@Andy_Paris wasn't that whole learning to become human thing in T2 possible because they flipped a switch in It's head?
Joe: I hate this movie. It sucks!
Alex: Yeah I agree! That one scene sucked!
Joe: You're wrong Alex! That scene was perfect! You just haven't lost someone close!
Joe was right there...
Democritus86 I get that, but Joe didn’t have to chew his ass out for not understanding and relating to that scene. That made the video awkward. I would’ve gotten really offended if I was Alex.
@@selectedjustin10 its Alex we talking about if he cant handle a lil chewing then gtfo
Democritus86 It’s just unnecessary in my opinion. Lol Like... He’s human. He’s allowed to have an opinion on that scene.
@@selectedjustin10 and allowed to get chewed out for that opinion
Joe, I wish you would touch on the review boosting that is taking place on rotten tomatoes. The 4-5 star user reviews that are being posted in 1-2 minute increments by “verified” reviewers with generic names and no avatars is highly suspicious. I think the studios have found a way to game the user reviews. Either that or Tencent is trying somehow to recoup their initial 10% budget investment.
I didn’t like they killed off John Conner.
They didn't even have to do that. It would have been cool if Ed Furlong and Linda Hamilton came back as ass kicking mother and son. They could explain that they did stop the Skynet timeline but now they've discovered that other timelines have emerged from it. They could have told the same story.
@@BeSkeptical851 True alltho I really liked the scene because of the good CGI and that terminator finally got to terminate John Connor.
@@BeSkeptical851
Ed Furlong has been in and out of hospitals and rehab centers for years. He lost custody of his baby son, who was allegedly tested positive of cocaine. Add to that his cases of close relationship violence. He's not a sane person.
I actually didn't mind John Connor dying. They stopped Skynet in T2. His mission was over. Saying that his death made T1 and T2 pointless isn't really true in my opinion. They did everything they had to do. This is another threat, that requires new things.
What I wasn't a big fan of is that they just did the same thing again. Another kid that is supposed to become the new big fighter of the future. I would have preferred a "smaller" movie than what we got.
With T2 it felt so real, even though it was fake. Because they actually did a lot of the stunts. Would have loved to see more of that instead.
That said: I still thought the movie was "good". Nothing spectacular or anything, but a fairly good time at the movies. A lot better than anything else we've gotten since T2.
@@ScrubNigel yeah? So? What actor plays on screen how they are in reality?
22:40 - "Skynet can't control and has to ally with humans"
You mean just like the story of Matrix.
That scene with Sarah just being depressed talking about John sitting on a log near Carl house was quite emotional. Fun fact: there's a very similar deleted scene with Sarah and Reese in the original Terminator.
You think this ended the franchise, I can't wait to see your reaction to the next star wars movie.
@Joslyn Vazquez Honestly, the fact that the whole sequel trilogy will have taken place within a couple weeks at the end should piss people off more than it does.
"They killed John Conor"🤣🤣🤣🤣 I am out too Joe.
Did they ever fully explain who actually tattooed Carl's coordinates on grace or had that knowledge in the future ?
It must have been Dani. She was the commander and knew where Karl lives.
I’m going to be honest I haven’t seen any Terminator movies since Terminator Salvation. I just lost interest and with this double whammy I don’t want to watch something that will piss me off.
They had shotgun shells loaded backwards in the previews, can’t be that good
When the Rev-9's hand turned into a gun, he was holding a paper lunch bag. It was presumably inside of that.
20:44 This look right here proves that Joe is really reaching with his rating here, and giving his partners shit for not agreeing with him. What Alex is saying makes perfect sense, and for some reason Joe refuses to see it
I always thought Alex was his older brother
What Alex was saying didnt make no sense. Obviously Sarah knew that shooting him ANYWHERE with a pistol won't kill him. But THAT TERMINATOR KILLED HER SON! she is obviously fucking PISSED because she hasn't seen him in 30 years or so. Alex is literally throwing a random temper tantrum over this understandable scene.
wait the spoilers make this a 1 out of 10 how this get a glowing review in the first review makes no sense
Joe suffers from Hype.
Symptoms may include: Over appreciation for mediocre media, Over looking obvious flaws in logic or writing, Believing corporations care, Turning a blind-eye when others are threatened by Main Stream Media, Attacking others that don't agree with your points of view, Turning their brain off when something the like happens, Ignoring problems, Being a Social Justice Warrior, Irregular heart rate, Impotence, Love of Disney Star Wars, Delays in making video content, Drooling, etc...
Symptoms can be mitigated with regular doses of Every Frame A Pause. EFAP, for all your reader response theory needs... and also, 'Hi Rag'''s''sss's'
All that combat training and John Connor reverts to kid Gohan in the opening scene🤦🏽♂️
......someone teach these kids to dodge
Now, I am picturing John Connor running on that infinite road to get a Dragon Ball...
Terminator fans: I can't believe they ruined the franchise even more
Star wars fans: I know how it feels dont worry
Some diehards would enjoy a 3 hour long video of Chewbacca taking a dump
Game of Thrones fans: entered the chat
Lmao good one @@TekkLuthor
Star Wars fans: First time?
Terminator fans: Not even close.
Agree
What the Terminator franchise has forgotten to be is a horror movie first and a science fiction/action movie second. That's been the missing formula all along in my opinion. If they just let T2 be the end of the story, and instead take us back to the future past of Johns story who sent the T-800 back to T2s timeline, make it a horror film first and foremost, then we could have something cool.
Absolynth While I haven't seen the movie, I believe your comment is spot on. An audience needs to feel for a movies character, to have enough of a connection with them to feel frightened for them. The first movie did that well, but the series dropped that to evoke a power fantasy in the audience. Boring.
I would really dig the "Dani Ramos is the creator of Legion" twist. The Rev-9 is actually sent from the future by a clone John Connor to prevent Judgement day.
Holy shit look at the interaction between Alex and Angry Joe It’s amazing 😂😂
I think Joe gets on his nerves
WAS WAITING FOR THIS VID YAY!
All we need now is Terminator Vs. Predator and the franchise tank will be complete!
Joe!! 8 out of 10.. You're shooting yourself in the leg. Movie Sux!!!
Did u see it? I did. It was great i give it a 10/10
@@brucewayne-ej3cx I like good writing, an original captivating plot, interesting characters, appropriate casting, linear story telling in franchises.. What are you 12 years old?
@@BoomBoomBoom.. did u see it or not?
@@brucewayne-ej3cx Dude, John Connor dies in the begining of the movie (that for itself is the dumbest way to handle a character you don't know what to do anymore), wich is reason enough to be pissed, but beyond that there is also Arnold as the old terminator who sudenly realizes killing people isn't nice (what he was build to do) after completing it's mission and decides to form a family, what about the lore, the consistency from what we saw in T2, that terminators are unable to feel emotions, that their learning capacity is blocked in their chips before they are teleported to the past? Just plain dumb.
You may like it for it's action scenes or the message it try to show, but as someone who loves the first two movies, I don't feel this is a sequel. Remove Sarah, John and Arnold from it, change it's name to Legion: Dark Fate and I would have no problems with it.
@Sir Memuth VII you're not a real terminator fan that's why. You're a weekend warrior. Youre a fish.