Is Harley Davidson heading in the right direction ?
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The last CEO was way more customer oriented. He wanted everyone on a Harley, Zeitz is such a joke.
Harley is headed toward electric motorcycles and elimating the gas engines according to the CEO. Is it the right direction? no
Do they have a choice?
Why wouldn't they havea choice?
@@KindredGh0st Because the world’s going EV.
Many countries are banning ICE vehicle sales in the near future, and a number of manufacturers have already pledged to stop making combustion engine vehicles by a certain date. We can see that trend making its way into the motorcycle industry with more and more electric and hybrid motorcycles being introduced. Harley would be silly not to keep up with the competition in investing and developing electric bikes. If they want to compete on the global stage, they’re going to have to follow suit.
Yeah they can still make combustion engines for markets that havent agreed on a ban, but is there really any point in still investing and developing combustion engines when those markets are just going to get smaller and smaller and eventually fuel prices wont be affordable for the average joe because oil companies will have switched their time and investments into renewables and gas will be reserved for heavy vehicles.
Its just my opinion anyway. I dont personally believe electric is the way forward nor is it any better.
@@xjsonxyes vote GOP
@@KindredGh0stvote Democrat to take away your choices and options…they know what’s best for everyone
IDGAF, long as I can ride on 2s
Yeah! Electric bikes are better anyways!
If Triumph managed sales success with the 400 Scrambler, Why on Earth can't Harley manage to build a decent 400?
That Triumph is made by Bajaj in India. You cool with Harley doing that?
@@EclecticGearhead Why not? A lot of bikes are made in different countries, and they're great bikes. Why would someone looking for a cheaper entry level bike care if the bike was made in India? It's about making a good bike to attract a younger customer base, not the older customers who already buy harleys and wouldn't look at that entry level bike anyway
@@tomoates8568🥴
@@EclecticGearhead You say about the Triumph 400 Scrambler being built by Bajaj, I'm from the UK and I'm not being biased, but the Triumph 400 Scrambler is way more likely to attract the Younger Riders and Commuters to the Motorcycle Culture and Community than the Harley Davidson X440 that is made and built in India, Or am I wrong! Only Saying!! 🏴
@@EclecticGearhead I have owned and rode Three Harley Davidsons in the last 35 years and at the age of 60, I ride a Harley Davidson Dyna Street Bob Monster Chopper Trike due to an accident at work that left me with a crippled left leg, But can You honestly tell me that the Harley Davidson X440 that is also built in India, is a Stylish Cool looking Motorcycle that is going to be a sales success? The Triumph 400 Scrambler is a Cool looking Motorcycle with a Classic look to it and I really don't know about You but I myself started riding at the age of 16 on an Italian Malaguti 50cc Scrambler of which biggest part of the Motorcycling Community started riding on Foreign Built Motorcycles as it was all that We could afford as We All weren't lucky enough to have rich Parents, Only Saying!! 🏴
Oh wow! Didn't know Jerry bought a Triumph scrambler 400, I've been thinking about getting one of those as a secondary bike as well. I currently commute on my Lowrider St, got it to over 10k miles in less than a year. No issues, but I'd rather distribute the miles onto another bike as well to help the longevity of the ST
For what it’s worth, I’m a female rider in my mid-20’s and I ended up buying a used 2017 Evo sporty 48 for less than $7k this year. None of the new bikes appealed to me. I wanted to love the new Nightster but it lacked character and couldn’t justify the price.
I love that bike great choice 👍🏽
Brilliant choice the Sportster 48 is way Cooler than the Revolution Max engined Sportsters! Wicked Cool Bike the 48!!
@@MichaelBrown-qh3fq thank you so much! I agree
That's the wrong question. It should be...........will HD survive??
They already made the 5k bike! The Iron 883, but they overcharged for it. The Iron had the look to attract the younger crowd.
I was just at a Harley and Indian dealership last week. I got out the door pricing for a Low Rider S and Sport Chief. Both bikes have the same MSRP. $19,999.00 The out the door price with all the dealer markups are as follows:
Arrowhead Harley-Davidson Peoria Az $26,083.00
Ridenow Peoria, Az. $22,500.00 The dealer markup for the Harley is 16% more. If you're willing to pay that for essentially the same bike, you're just plain stupid.
Agree with your point, on a separate note though… damn I got the 24 Sport Chief for 24k OTD in Chandler a few months ago lol. Wish I shopped around more. They did throw in the taller risers and taller windshield for me so maybe I ended up ok…
Man that’s insane! I paid $27G out the door in Australia for a new Low Rider s, that’s a huge difference.
Here in Brazil, Honda sells more than 1.3 million bikes per year, while Harley Davidson, even with a local factory, sells about 4k bikes per year. A low-cost bike would increase this number by thousands, but with this actual CEO, HD only loses market share each year-and it looks like that's the plan.
Dont forget about Royal Enfield they are selling a ton of bikes.
Harley-Davidson just needs to bring the SOYGLIDE out. The electric bagger. I’ve been saying it for years. 🤘⚡️🤘✨✨✨✨✨😂😂😂😂😂
When motorcycles are priced as much as cars, it's a VERY hard sell for the younger generation to purchase. The age Jerry is in, that's who they have always targeted, but as generations started getting older they started selling trikes. As that generation gets older and no longer can ride those...Harley will die off within 10-15 yrs. Unless they drop the prices or introduce a new model, like the Street Fighter / Bronx, say good bye to Harley Davidson. I know everyone has said this for years but I just don't see a bright future for Harley Davidson. I hate to say it.
BRING ON THE HARLEY SPORTBIKE !!!
Motor company needs a change at the top ASAP! Then we can discuss demographics.
There is no entry level Harley price point. If they actually cared they could redesign the street 400/750 to hook everyone in. They could do it. They don’t want to.
Who ever pulled the plug on the "Bronx" needs to go. Obviously not in touch with what the people want.
I would have picked the Bronx over the sportster s any day. This coming from a sportster s owner himself.
I’m glad Harley is trying to change its culture. For too long it’s been dominated by 1% gang bangers and hog groups full of boomers. What happens when them and their close minds die? What does Harley do then? Not everybody these days is scared of people different than them. So Harley has to recreate their culture to accommodate the riders that will be in their 40s in ten twenty years. Until then, they need to get em hooked on the culture and used bikes so they can age into their more expensive bikes. And most new riders don’t appreciate gang bangers and boomer hog groups.
Gang bangers. 😅 😅😅😅😅
Not all boomers
@@aarondeere if a group of guys puts on blue bandanas and claims a neighborhood and doesn’t let anyone in from the next neighborhood or that’s wearing red what do you call them? Especially when they enforce it with violence. Now put them on bikes. Does it change who they are?
@@nrgrlsd9931 it was just funny how you tagged these groups to harley. I'm part of a group that does a bunch of charity work. Harley does have a stereotype that has been a hindrance to them. I will say harley is going in the wrong direction and indian is gonna pick up their mess and gain share.
@@aarondeere that’s pretty much who dominates Harley culture. MCs and hog groups are about 75-80 of the people who ride Harleys. Not all MCs are gang bangers. There are a lot of clubs that are just about riding. For some reason though, bikers in general and Harley riders specifically refuse to call these 1% thugs what they are. They’re criminals and thugs and gang bangers who don’t want to get hit with rico so they claim. Their club isn’t involved in crime. But anybody who has spent any time around any of these douchebags knows that’s a lie.
The core customer is the late 40-50k
The next most important is them focusing on the new younger customer , with the lower cost bikes , beginner friendly
The 25-35 yr olds are not a major concern as they know we are the one who like modifications and we make the bike how we want it. A modded Harley is a better Harley to our age group .
This woke shit is destroying Harley if they would get an American as a CEO and start being more patriotic and stand on values they could turn around. I love my Harley but it is a 2003. When I get ready to upgrade it will be used until they start acting the way they use to be. Age 34
Good discussion....economics is the name of the game....you guys said it....they are targeting the generation who has the most disposable income.....is it the right direction.....yes (Stock price) & no (growth?)....I do agree they should have one model that is targeted for the new generation of Harley riders....I never see any Sportsters or Pan Americas when I ride....and there is no way they'll be able to assemble & sell a model domestically below a $10K price point.....Triumph sold 50K units of those Scramblers 400 globally and keep in mind they are made in India.....strategically MoCo can sell more units build abroad by circumventing the tariffs...who knows maybe they are retooling for a Bronx launch....if I were them...I would put the Bronx into the Sportster family.....
Harley-Davidson started going downhill quickly in 2017. When they discontinued the Evo Sportster in in 2022 was the final nail in the coffin for me. All the stuff going on lately is just digging up a corpse and killing it again.
I almost bought a Pan America. The dealer had it $5,000 over MSRP, $4,000 on a used one, and they said it’s because it’s a rare bike and I was lucky they had them. Wow, thanks Harley, I don’t know what I would do without you.
I bought an Indian FTR. I freakin’ love that bike. It’s awesome in the twisties, so much fun.
I really don't understand why Harley Davidson doesn't make a 400-500 Flat tracker style Bike for the streets! I really think that it'll be a hit with the Youngsters and Commuters alike, and what with Flat track racing being such a big Motorcycle Racing Sport and Harley Davidson being so dominant in Flat tracking for so many years, I really think that it could be quite successful in sales, more so than that 500-750 Street model which They sold a few years back, that machine was quite boring!
Entry level HD is a used bike. Bronx won’t come out because they did it before with the Buell, which had the evo sporty engine, great bike. Great point trying to get the sports bike riders over to the brand, that was the Vrod, only real popular in Europe and Australia. With the bikes being made in Thailand, this has already been happening with all models since 2022 / 2023 for the Australian market, which I’d say is the same for all of Asia and Europe. I’d hate to be a union worker on the factory line in the USA, because this is definitely cutting jobs.
They should have kept perfecting the street models. That model had made inroads and should only have improved it. The hate for street 500, 750, street rod 750 was funny and foolish. The new CEO is wrong in every which way. He was successful selling shoes but not motorcycles. He will take the whole factory to Thailand for the same reason.
You are focusing to much on price. I have kids in that age group. They don't care about riding motorcycles regardless what the price is. They don't even talk about buying any brand motorcycle. It's changing in the US.
Harley has cheaper bikes, the X 350 and X 500. Neither of which are sold in the US. They only make those available for their riding schools.
I suspect that even if they sold those in stores, they still wouldn't sell.
Why they came with the 1 inch suspension sportster S which will hurt a rider if they use the bike frequently but not the Bronx which is more like an naked bike for a performance bike is out of my brains. By the way things are going I think Harley might bring the sportster S Speedo in rainbow colors on low rider S . Nothing against rainbow colors.
Well if you want to end motorcycling yes but for the majority of motorcyclists it couldn't be worse the figures in UK was 80+% that wouldn't buy electric and in Europe it was higher all said they would rather give up so may I suggest we fight for our freedom to ride what we want and stop saying it will niver happen look around you it already is
What harley should be concerned with is staying "cool." Ive had harleys since i was 18 and im 32 now.
We know they are actually worst than anything anyone else makes for the same money but we get them because they are cool. Harley is starting to lose the appeal
Godammit Jerry!!! Where is my hat!!
Laying on the side of the road with some forehead skin
Does BMW have money probs? Or do those expensive ass bikes get sold to lots of people that have the money…there are a lot of elements that don’t exist in that “genre” of motorcycling….
Buell super cruiser here I come
That’s a super cool bike 🏍️ 👍🏽
Did you say you wanted a 500cc, mid-control motorcycle, I got one - 2023 Honda Rebel 500 - it even has cool bronze colored rims!
Thailand, not Tawain. The press release that I read stated they are moving those to Thailand to make room for touring manufacturing. No jobs will be lost.
If you think this won't lead to layoffs then I have some business opportunities you'll want to take advantage of. I'll make these offers available only to you. wink, wink
The layoffs will happen if the finance rates stay as high as they are because people can’t afford new bike or cars. The Thailand move for those certain bikes is partially due to avoiding tariffs in other countries where they sell bikes so they can compete.
It’s possible it will bring the bikes made here cheaper. HD is a corporation in end out to make a profit. As for entry level bikes they def need to figure out an affordable option
Made in Thailand 🇹🇭 tag in the dealerships can’t wait for the videos 😢😢😢😢
Harley is the Apple of the motorcycle world, they offer less for more. Old tech, and raising prices. Thousands NEED to be put in the bikes in upgrades which raise the overall cost
Harley is totally going in the wrong direction. Fire the CEO with his woke ideas. Thats why I bought an Indian.
Where's my Bronx?
That's what I want from Harley. You guys are amazing commentators ✌️
Triumph has the best smaller market for sure!! Nighster bit worth 15, with all that plastic. And everything else is wrong. They need a new CEO, and get there head out there a##
A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
I like the improvements to the touring models. But they are ignoring the entry level market and they need need need to step up reliability
We should be boycotting this crap oh whatever it is what it is I really wish I grew up in the older days where I can actually make a stand for something and make sense of it just at the point where America needs to stop selling out and standing for something appreciated the channel
Hit the nail on the head, almost everybody I know can’t justify spending $20k on a bike…. I’m in my early 40’s, if they want the younger generation to latch on, they need to make an affordable starter bike and get these youngsters hooked.
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They tried that nobody bought them
Most of the young guys nowadays are too girlie to even consider riding a motorcycle imo
@@socalgolf9978 To add to this, yes they did. And their core customers made you feel like shit for even thinking of buying one. I once joked about putting the rev max in a cruiser and almost lost my life LOL. In the end, their core customer is doing a great job at alienating anyone who even thinks of riding a Harley.
On one side the government might even plan to sanction CF Moto to save Harley-Davidson to go out of business.
Great video guys. I think Harley’s long term plan is electric. Kids nowadays ride more electric bicycles than pedal bikes. I think content creators and enthusiasts such as yourself can help keep the younger riders interested in the motorcycle culture. Harley Davidson Corporate seems to be out of touch with the younger generation of riders and loosing their way with their veteran riders.
From what I see they are politically Influenced in a direction totally opposite of their core….
If they eliminate the Ultra’s then they would either have to redesign the trikes or just keep them the same.
Thanks for the garage talk man!!! Great discussion. I personally wanna have more conversations like this so I can better understand the fuss. 🫡
Right on!
Harley don’t keep the bike u.s made they are gona lose
Yerrr! Probably wont buy a new bike again, hanging on to my 21
Good good…They should be paying u consultation fees
When it comes to the younger demographic, they latch on to sport bikes because it fits the niche. Dyna bros do a great job of attracting younger riders, but the dyna is the dodo and the cheapest softail is about 14 grand, AND its the 107 M8. In a world of machismo, no one wants the lesser version of anything. In other words, a liter bike gets you with the big boys - gsxr 1000, 15k. You do the math as a 25yr old and see if cruising with brothers is more important than shaving 10 mins off GPS travel time. LOL
YEEEEEEER!¡ Happy to see an upload on the subject of Harley making a Huge change in Manufacturing!¡
Entry bikes…don’t forget they had those cheaper Street models (500, 750?) a few years back and it didn’t sell.
They need to make a Nightster/Sportster model cheaper at around $10k to replace the old 883 pricing and compete against the Indian Scout price point
With the Street Bob, get rid of the slower models like the Softail Standard to lower costs and trim the lineup like they have been doing to other models.
The Street 500 and Street 750 were boring and bland, Why can't Harley Davidson build a 400 or 500 with a Flat-tracker style for the streets? I personally think that it'll be a hit with the Youngsters and Commuters alike!
If closing the doors is what they are wanting to do then yes.
Indian must be laughing their heads off 😂😂
An entry level bike is a used bike. Do you want a new Hyundai base model car, or a three year old Mercedes that’s still going to last longer and have tons more character and smiles per miles?
Harley-Davidson has put out some bikes in the past couple of years that have competed, and even beaten, the best bikes in their class. The CVO Road Glide ST is the best all around motorcycle I’ve ever ridden. If you take money of the equation, I wouldn’t trade it for any other modern motorcycle.
It’s called evolution. It’s why they’ve survived when others haven’t. If you don’t think they have evolved over the years and always ruffled a few feathers on the way, then you don’t know anything about their history.
The Pan America alone is all you need to show that they are the best they’ve ever been. To compete, and beat, the BMWs with their very first modern entry into that class. Wow.
There is no other Motor Co. with the legacy, heart, soul, and passion that they have.
Are they overpriced? 1000%. But at the end of the day, there’s nothing like riding a Harley-Davidson. The good, the bad, and the ugly have a history like no other and evoke an emotion in all of us that can’t be duplicated. It doesn’t mean that we can’t appreciate all of the other bikes out there. But they’ll never evoke the same feelings that joining the HD family will. It’s America, bitches.
The young demographic is buying and modifying older Dynas and FXRs. Turn the Nightster into a modern Dyna. It’s already close. That’s how you get them to take the next step to a new bike. The stunt riding badasses doing burnouts and wheelies will create plenty of poser sales as well.
I think also is the mindset around Harley. The street was out and never sold because what did people say?.... oh that's not a real harley! Just like people did with the vrod. I love harley but at the same time, Japanese manufacturers as well as others have been in the beginner bike game forever so for the money as well as resale value for beginner bikes, other manufacturers are the way to go. Most beginner bikes are sold after people get comfortable with riding and I was able to buy a ninja brand new, let the wife learn for 3 years and then sell it for $1,700 less than what I paid for it. Probably couldn't do that with a harley
I also think the new sportsters are a hard sell because the same mindset. Although a cool bike, for a little more you can get the softail standard and get a traditional harley to learn on and it's big enough to keep for a long time
Maybe Harley CEOs are Indians investors
bronx reminds me XR1200
what do you think of buell cruiser?
I think it’s an amazing looking bike
Nice hat Jerry! 35+ year conductor here.
Would anyone still want The Bronx if it was made in Thailand
Man… when you put it that way 😬
Good discussion
Good discussion. The thing I don’t understand is if they were trying to target the younger age groups that have less purchasing power, why would they do away with the classic Sportster and Dyna models. “Entry level” (under 15-20k OTD) bikes that have the old school HD look that has already been heavily marketed in tv and movies. At the very least they should have a few more “entry level” Softails with various affordable color and customization options. It seems like the costs of all the bikes are going up which makes them only affordable to a smaller demographic. If they did this well, they’d likely sell a lot of bikes to the younger demographic and perhaps even the older demographic as a second bike. 🤷♂️.
Get rid of the breakout
Only reason I bought my '23 FXLRS is because I wanted to toy around with the thing before the thing is gone. It's fun and a motorcycle is just a toy...nothing more. However, the HD is really a piss-poor design in terms of reality. But they're still damned fun to play around with. HD is going to ride of into the sunset if they don't come up with something new. My bet is that they won't and will keep milking the cow until the udders fall off. I am noticing that there are absolutely no shortages of any HD now...They're jamming last year's models down our throats with incentives. Hmm?? I have a last year model. Charge thousands extra for a paint job? What a gaff. I think they're headed into oblivion.
The days of the $3995 883 are long gone. The Bronx? Saw it at javits a few years ago. Never came. Harley had Buell, and killed it. It was ahead of its time. Who knew that the naked bike market would come to life? IMO lose the softail standard and breakout, cut back on the CVOs, bring back the basic superglide instead of the low rider s.
I’m in the early 30’s. Been with Harley since late 20’s. My first bike was a XG750 and it was not easy for form the $$. Even less for my current FXLRST. But despite the cost. I bought Harley because I like American bikes. I like the culture etc…. You don’t get a HD because it’s a cheaper option.
Younger guys like for most part the crotch rockets.
I have no love for the "motor company" no matter how many silly events they do. I just love machinery. They're going after the wallets of people that blindly worship them. The HD experience, to me has always been a bit suspicious. They love to play the shell game and always have the vacuum at the ready for you wallet. No trust in them.
Harley can't make an affordable entry level bike. They never have. They need to embrace being a luxury brand. Make luxury motorcycles like the CVO and luxury electric bikes for yhe tech bros. Walking away from the current branding isnt the worst move either. The current riders will grumble but their average age is 51. They may not be riding anyway.
I’m calling bs on the cat that is in college and can’t afford a bike. I was in college with two jobs and I paid rent and car payment. This generation limit themselves and their capabilities
Everything HD does is overpriced. If they put out an entry level bike it would still turn most people off when they looked at the price tag and compared it to its segment competitors.
I made a video about this a while back. Harley-Davidson is not an entry level company. It’s like saying Lexis should have a $10,000 car. It’s not an entry level company. The Entry level Harley is the preowned Harley.
Jerry! Jerry! Great topic for discussion! Great ideas! Also, they need to keep focused on keeping on keeping dealers open. The customer service sets the brand apart 💯.
Good points from both of you 👍🏻 Sadly I feel like younger generations are just not as interested as they once were and /or older generations have not passed the torch ch to their kids. It may cause more swirl in the business to focus on making cheaper bikes, Porsche does not make a cheaper car for people to get into Porsche and the same could be said for any strong brand. This is where the used market comes into effect you can pick up a used 883 to experience Harley. It’s about brand positioning if Harley wants to create/maintain position as the leader of touring or performance vtwins in the industry they will remain focused on what sells. Perhaps shifting the revmax production overseas will enable more efficient production and save costs of the US made touring bikes or makes room for possible new cruiser or touring model. The avg. age of customers has remained around 45yrs old the cruiser or tour is where to focus. As you both said they listened to customers on the latest models and I am sure will continue. At the end of the day these are still expensive toys for most part and economic pressures constricting business is a battle all over not just with Harley Davidson.
Being a Pan America owner I follow all kinds of international groups or forums. The bikes made overseas have less trouble. I wonder if combing the Rev Max with the M8 line causes some issues. Maybe they should be ran on different lines, with different specialists. Maybe that is what they are taking a year to fix. My bike lost 12k in value in 2 years @ the same dealer I bought it from, and serviced it. I though buying a HD it would have held up a little better in the resale space. The way I looked at it I just paid more to have that HD badge on my tank. Not ready for a cruiser or bagger so that kind of keeps me off the HD sales floor. I love my Pan America :)
Harley has the X models. I think they would do amazing in north America. They are a beginner Harley!
Get rid of sportster S, all trikes, make the nightster 975 less cost, make the nightster special a 1250.
i believe the old CEO have harley on that path? it was the all roads lead plan or something like that, told em its a long term plans and may not be great for the first few years but will get people into the HD ecosystem and up sell them as the years go on. new guy came in axed that plan the streets and went to the stockholder friendly stock buyback plan instead of actually building the base and brand
Great discussion. Interesting. The business of motorcycles will be, if nothing else, changing in the next several years.
Prices have become out of hand. 17k for a street bob with a 3 gal tank is absolute robbery
You got in to Harley on an iron!!
They are missing the mark to bring in new riders !
Has anyone heard that hog is going to change their name...... Rump riders MC
I think the Bronx was re done and turned into the nightster. Also believe the sporter s and nightster are for the 20s while the new road and street glide are for those in their 30s
Al Bundy 😂
Nightater special gage on the street bob would be awaome
Harley should offer a bare bones basic like bobberish bike for new riders and hell make and optional program to have it shipped to dealers in boxes and give the new riders the opportunity to assemble their own bike with some assistance with a harley davidson tech of course but offer a price drop for the diy program. It gives the opportunity for the new rider to know how to work on their bike and makes them about it a bit more while getting a price cut.
That's a lot to ask.
No one does that
They're moving the rev max bikes production to Thailand. Just like triumph did.
Triumph left Britain a long time ago.
Omg I love the Jerry sit downs!
This whole chat was good stuff.
With some production headed overseas when they promised all bikes sold here made here and this dei crap of not hiring the best but meeting quotas im probably going indian with my next purchase. And i agree 100% on a cheaper bike. This idea of sell less for more money is very short sighted. I like the previous ceo mike which had a plan to get newer riders with more entry level bikes.
JZ has to go. NOW!
Wish the make the softail standard a little more sporty.. probably t-bars with a small fairing and different graphics
That would be cool 👍🏽
Sporty? You mean like the low rider s with inverted forks, t bar set up. Etc...?
@@John.Kramer a more appealing entry level softail.. but at the same price… nothing crazy… just to get younger customers at a lower price than the lowrider
@davincho1111 ohh I hear you. Yeah something not as pricey Fer sure
The pan America hype fell off a cliff
I agree there needed to be more momentum and a follow up
I like the Pan America, but they’re unaffordable for average people.
Get an Africa Twin imo
Indian is selling more motorcycles than Harley.
That isn’t even close to correct. You can literally go to Google right now and see how HD far outsells Indian every quarter
Nah man not even close
@@Marvelkid87Harley is going woke.
All I know is I refuse to spend anymore money on any Harley Davidson products!