Well, if they don’t get bought. You don’t want to do something that would make them less likely to be bought and rolled into warranty service by another company. Maybe make a short window where it’s “be bought” or “open source” to speed up the decision.
I can see your perspective but in these scenarios why wouldn't it be best to play into the interest of the 1. The owners already invested 2. The mechanics willing to work on these 3. Anyone new who might be willing to take on the risk @@malcolmw513
@mansonitefirefox I'm wondering what the highest windshield price will be for this in the next 10yrs? Eventually, nobody that owns one will be willing to pay for a windshield but I still wanna know that number. It would be worth decent money if it were actually a good vehicle but it's not so the cost has to be suitable to maintain the novelty of owning this POS.
25:41 to answer your question, Rich, please keep going on this project. The discovery alone is fascinating, and it represents a much larger battle for modern consumers
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He definitely have to do it, he can help so many people who are stuck with this car.
Fix it Rich! This stuff made you famous - the pain the suffering the commentary - decades of material. And we need an another real EV maker in America. Fight the right to repair!
No refunds unless you use a credit card and refuse to agree to that policy but insist on moving forward anyway. I've had companies state "blah blah blah we'll screw you over" and I said "no thanks but I still need service so I'll pay you anyway". They're usually confused, they never say no. Because all they know is to get your money. Record the call and if a dispute comes up you'll laugh so hard at their lawyers and supervisors for thinking their rules applied when you explication said "no but I'll pay you for the service anyway" when they mention the ToS/EULA.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Have you tried this? I suspect THEY will be the ones laughing. Remember, your credit card's TOS say you agree to THEIR chosen arbitrator INSTEAD of going to court. How do you get around that?
Big 3 Module Engineer here; bricking modules (and therefore bricking the entire vehicle) is a very valid concern. The one rep who stated every update must be performed in order is 100% correct. The individual who stated every Warning Light / DTC must be resolved and cleared before re-programming is also 100% correct. I would also add that a Diagnostic Self-test should be performed after every update in the series, as well as making sure your 12 VOLT battery's SOC is at least 80% before doing any module re-programming. Keeping a charger on it might be a good idea too! Before you do anything, talk to your owner's group and find out the specific failure points, then take their collective wisdom and do all that you can to avoid those previously discovered pitfalls.
I would expect nothing less from a big 3 engineer to expect modules to brick themselves... 😂 hardware in any other industry can be reset and flashed with current software
@@alexandrecouture2462 Some HP servers had certain firmware that required this due to certain major changes - such as the end of TLS 1.0 and/or to patch potential exploits. Since the company I worked for at the time hired a tech firm that was run by illiterate monkeys, there was no organized patching of firmware at all, so when it got to the point it affected them, they could no longer access the devices to perform the updates, leaving it all up to me because I did.
I still remember Fisker Ocean owners on Rich’s first video, demanding that we all concede that both buying one and investing in the company stocks was a brilliant idea, and now we’re here
Yeah this just means I’ll be buying last years model of whatever new car comes out. I’m not dealing with being an owner of a new new car, it’s basically beta testing nowadays.
If you have it in earth mode, it's FWD, but if you change it to Fun or Hyper mode, it's supposed to be AWD. I say this, because I saw you guys had it in earth mode.
good eye, I usually keep it in earth when casually putting around. I had it in hyper when I was doing the tests. I don't even think earth has enough power to break traction at any given time
@@RichRebuildsoh, it absolutely does. If you have a lead foot and keep it in Earth mode, you'll go through your front set of tires quick. I just dismantled my Ocean and lifted my PDU up off the front motor to try to figure out why my Ocean kept going into (N) suddenly and without warning, regardless of speed. To my surprise, the two bolts which secured the power tabs (+ and -) to the front motor from the PDU were NOT tight. One was so loose I could unscrew it with my fingers; the other couldn't have been more than 20 in/lbs tight. I think the CPU thought that the motor dropped out, and cut power and put it in (N). That fault also seemed to redirect all power requests to the 12v battery, draining it VERY quickly. Going on a longer test drive tomorrow to see if I've fixed the issue.
Love your Salem techpersts reference. I had the honor of talking to him and joking with him about bill burr in the commments back when he just took off.
Definitely agree on needing to open source a vehicle, if every single bit of code contained in the car's software was created in-house, but one would think there's a whole lot in there that wasn't coded in house, and was used under license from others. So, I'd imagine it's a bit sticky legally to open source things with that in mind since those companies, I doubt, ever intended their efforts to become public domain.
@@sauronringholder5042 Their code wouldn't be public domain, just the tools from the bankrupt company would need to be, anything else they used from a 3rd party can stay closed as long as it performs it's role correctly, like external api's or other stuff
@@totalyep They could be forced to create an opensource, basic firmware at launch. If they go bankrupt it reverts to that. I'd like to see it for Android phones too. Not prepared to support the car/phone anymore? Let people do it themselves.
Definitely get it updated!!! Go with the shop that said that you have to go in sequence they seem to know what they're talking about and have everything ready
Fisker should just opensource the software and let people fix it themselves. A group of 5 talented AND incentived developers could easily fix the software problems..
Open-sourcing previously closed-sourced software is tricky. Many of these manufacturers integrate third-party systems and libraries. Those part can't be open-sourced since they don't belong to Fisker. What you'll get in the end is just a bunch of codes that won't compile.
@@bltzcstrnx Yeah, i know about that.. I heard somewhere that some brands have a mix of 100's of components and each have their own piece of software and license :-/
Fisker is in bankruptcy so all assets are in control of the court. The update would be considered a asset { owners are willing to pay a Grand Plus for it).
@powertothesheeple5422 ICE aren't immune to this either, unless you deliberately buy low tech. I bet anything in the last 20 years that's fuel injected has a computer in the loop that could fail.
@@powertothesheeple5422 You see, that's how you do it, you just slap a beefy, very silent muffler on it with some engine bay sound deadening and now even at low speed the engine barely makes a sound, the cooling pumps of an EV would be louder. Its always funny to me that, unless you've opened up the exhaust for high performance, ICE cars are so silent that all the noise you hear from the outside at a cruise be that at 50 mph or 120 mph is tyre noise, where EVs are a lot louder due to their weight. Edit: I forgot the reason for making it quiet, its so cops who are being paid by the -corps- -globalists- _government_ don't pull you over for suspicion of driving a gas vehicle. You also turn the exhaust pipe down, stick fake EV badges on it, and cover up and paint over the bumper exhaust exit hole.
Actually, it's more involved than that usually. It's a kin to bios flash for a laptop/desktop, but for every module. So you need to test things and ensure calibration is correct after too.
@@1337GameDev Usually end-user(which is mechanic) rarely do the stuff you described at least when we are talking about reglamented firmware upgrade from the manufacturer(its fully scripted, to exclude human error as much as possible). Did some firware and end-user software dev in my days. Although in case of non-supported vehicle with defunct manufacturer it may be more difficult than usual.
@@lessgrep The same could be said about providing bios updates. I personally don't care about the %, I think the possibility for you to control your device regardless of the manufacturer is what should be upheld. I don't want the manufacturer to just say "ehhh, we don't want to provide the software and tools, and want to hide schematics, so you need to purchase the next product so we make money." I don't want them in control over the lifetime of the product. Sure, if it needs a service, I should have the ability to replace that service with one I want, whenever. This means that people have control over their device and can use it for as long as possible, regardless if the manufacturer deems it not profitable to extend the life, and force people to buy new.
@@1337GameDev Unfortunately car industry is the dirtiest proprietary bog you can find. Clogged with patents, lack of opened documentation, use of common protocols and so on. And modern cars are making things worse. Allowing owner to shut you from your own vehicle, since lots of functionality now may require some sort of online connection to company backend services. Just remember BMW and their "brilliant" idea of subscription to car features, like steering wheel heating and so on.
Considering the price of the car there's literally no bad outcome of the software update. You do the software update: - it works and you have a better car. - it doesn't work you have a bricked car which you can sell for parts worth several times more than you bought it for
You might wanna try SerenityEV in Phoenix they are the first national just accredited Fisker Ocean service center (getting all the tool and computers from Fisker this week).
Buying a car like this would be stupidity for the majority of people, but it’s smart for a large TH-camr like Rich to do this, so he can make amazing content for the rest of us
See if there are other Fisker owners around you that need updates, so you can get someone to fly in. That could really help some of the other owners in the area out that are in the same predicament.
Rich, unlike Fisker the software that we (team of 4) wrote for monitoring and setting up the McLaren F1 super-car back between 1990 and 1992 at Tag McLaren in the UK I believe is still in use on the cars using an ancient Compaq laptop and a piece of inhouse designed hardware called a CA-13 to this day. I was astounded to find that out a few years ago. I believe there was an effort to modernize that stuff.
LOL at BMW logos 😂 I love your Fisker adventure, dude. I’d say drive far and make it a risky upgrade, but document every mile, so to speak, since it can be valuable for other Fisker Ocean owners.
Find anther totaled ocean and pull all the modules that would update, perform the update on your modules and if it bricks, swap in the salvage modules as a recovery option.
I honestly think that this is the perfect opportunity to build an open source automotive OS. The hardware is ubiquitous. Everything under the hood is essentially the same, but just implemented differently.
"the same but implemented differently" is a contradiction. Either either the same or it's different. Even if 2 modules (ABS controls, for example) have the same overall purpose, if the hardware is different, then firmware is different, then inputs & outputs are different... etc. etc. which means you need custom code for the custom combination of custom modules. "Open Source" sounds great when it's just 2 words, probably because people think "Linux is open source and it works great, how hard can it be?" And they don't realize that there's literally thousands of programmers employed or donating their time to constantly update various hardware-specific drivers that are included in Linux. And this is for a product where hardware manufacturers are actually OK with people operating a different OS because it increases their potential customer base. Whereas car manufacturers may buy off-the-shelf modules, they generally get custom-made modules for their unique vehicles, because they're in the business of trying to make a better package than their competitors. And you want them to open-source the trade secrets they invested in their (hopefully) superior modules? What do they get out of helping all their competitors? A feeling of goodwill & respect from 1% of the world which are nerds who actually are interested in tinkering with the code?
Once upon a time, I updated the software on my Garmin GPS. It turned the GPS into a brick. I lost $150. I was upset. If a software update turned my $70,000 car into a brick, I might consider taking up hunting.
$10,000 car. It's only a $70,000 car if Fisker were to keep building & selling them.... and if they were able to stay in business, then they'd be able to sort out the bricking issues. It really makes me wonder WTF the fisker software guys were doing that makes the car so prone to being bricked.
@@TrueGrantsta70000$ car. People have purchased these POS for around that price for the top model. Its possible they can look to get it updated and potentially get it bricked
Your EGarage guys are geniuses now in this space. Just listen to you tech talk thru the “Buck” . This could be a Rich moment where you take over the service for this whole FOA fleet. Good for you Rich.
Go to Albany and get the software update. I own an Ultra model, and I want to see how the process goes. I am on the 2.0 software (which updated over the air), and am waiting for the 2.2 software update. I have over 10,000 miles on my car.
You are an incredible pioneer and warrior of EV ownership. OMG, you have a level of patience with troubleshooting I would never be able to do. The vehicle is like a quirky old truck. Never let your wife or children drive that car. Carry On Sir.
@@craigchatterton4164 I'm no electrician but from what I could tell it basically puts a voltage on the low end of the contactor (think giant electrical switch/relay) so that when you go and close the circuit the voltage difference is not that big (going from 400v or whatever to 0v, instead going 400 to 255) so that no giant arcs of electricity go through the air and damage the contactor.
@@craigchatterton4164 As @devnol stated, in a typical EV system, there are large capacitors inside the motor or charge controller that need to be at least partially pre-charged before connecting the main battery through the contactors. If the capacitors are empty when the contactors close, a huge inrush current will rapidly charge the capacitors (similar to a short circuit), and the resulting arcing could potentially weld the main contactors shut and damaging them. It's a silly way to make expensive paperweight. Think of it like a 'soft starter' for large motors or audio amplifiers.
JD in Lubbock, Texas is a good dude. He’s got the fast tool. Updated his own two Fiskers. Probably about to buy one of his off of him. Should give him a call.
I wore a Rich t shirt into Ace Hardware today (the black Quackbang grenade one) and some older gent who worked there commented on my shirt with enthusiasm. Good times. Glad to see Rich is permeating the hardware stores these days! 😂
I’m not surprised an Ace Hardware employee would recognize Rich’s shirt. Those guys are rock stars. They are the one hardware store left where you can ask a question about a project and they actually know how to address the issue. I freakin love Ace!
As someone who has an original fisker karma, I am not at all surprised to see you having these issues. Good luck cause 12 years later I still have issues with it.
Awesome video. As a Fisker owner in MA, can Electrified Garage please become a certified Fisker repair center and get the FAST tool? It is a great car just such a poorly managed company. How cars were allowed to be driven with the 1.0 software is just crazy. Part of me thinks if they waited until version 2.0, they would not have gotten so much negative press and cancelled orders but then again they probably would have run out of cash first.
TH-cam should just look at most of the comments that show up within the first few minutes of posting a new video and track anybody who posts to see if they do the same thing on other videos because I can’t believe the number of bots that are here and YT tells me it has literally been 58 seconds since this video was posted.
It used to be drug sales and now its prostitutes. I don't even let the kids use my account until TH-cam gets it figured out. I reported one with a profile pic that looked like a private body part and when I clicked to report it the account page of the pic was that part being used. I am starting to think some of them are actual YT employees clowning YT.
Because each service bay usually earns $200-250 per hour, and if your car is occupying that bay and being watched by a tech, they need to get that money every hour--or they are losing money.
We start a betting pool to see how many hours it takes you IF you can read a Fiskar center. And a second pool to see if the brick it. And a third pool to see if you get home. Turn this into a betting channel!
@@lyfandeth Not really an excuse you dont need to jack up a car on a lift to run a software update they should be able to just plug a laptop into it in the parking lot and have the tech come back every hour or so the check the progress updates should not require constant monitoring = just saying
Rich, Fisker is not a manufacturer. Like Nike, they make nothing. The Fisker is built by the Same Canadian company that builds every Mercedes G Wagon. Magna Intl. at their plant in Austria.
You are a brave person taking a risk on that car, but it makes for GREAT content. Definitely wait a year until everyone else gets the updates and then see how many cars are actually bricked before you decide.
To give credit where it's due, dude had already flopped an automaker once, and decided to pay even less attention to this one than he did to the first, wonderful combination
Keep the car. The car is great and you know it. Torque steer is there, not great but you get used to it 😀 For the rest updates and service will fix most of the issues. FOA is recreating the service the owners needed and possibly even improving it.
I kind of admire a person who can tolerate all the glitches and issues with modern EVs like that ,, you know.... I have 20 year old Fords,, I've never experienced any of that weird stuff and I couldn't handle it if I did...
@@JoshsAutoReviews_0424 I take mine through touchless car washes (they use extra strong water jets to make up for the lack of brushes) all the time. No issues. Some people hand wash their vehicles because that's the "right" way to wash a car.
@@JOfAllT Really? Oceans have bad wiring protection so water often gets into the lights causing them to malfunction, but I guess every car is different.
I would add some sort of mechanism to release the bricking mechanism from the back. You might need an emergency release from a charger but then you are stuck. Pull a reset from inside the hood would be a good idea.
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a company should be forced to make their cars opensource if they go bankrupt as per right to repair in some sense
Louis Rossman is that you?
@@MrMCDiggles not me but it sounds like it.
Well, if they don’t get bought. You don’t want to do something that would make them less likely to be bought and rolled into warranty service by another company. Maybe make a short window where it’s “be bought” or “open source” to speed up the decision.
I can see your perspective but in these scenarios why wouldn't it be best to play into the interest of the 1. The owners already invested 2. The mechanics willing to work on these 3. Anyone new who might be willing to take on the risk @@malcolmw513
If they go bankrupt you can't force them to do anything. You can yell at an empty storefront all day long.
Update it. If it bricks it, sell the windscreen for $10k and be out for no money.
Yeah this cat could be parted out for like $20k
@mansonitefirefox I'm wondering what the highest windshield price will be for this in the next 10yrs? Eventually, nobody that owns one will be willing to pay for a windshield but I still wanna know that number. It would be worth decent money if it were actually a good vehicle but it's not so the cost has to be suitable to maintain the novelty of owning this POS.
Chinese would make those, even now fuyao manufactures oem glass for mercedes a class@@veganpotterthevegan
Have them come to you, film the whole thing and bribe the guy for his toolset :)
Never thought that you could mechanically total a car for a winshield. Crazy time we live in.
25:41 to answer your question, Rich, please keep going on this project. The discovery alone is fascinating, and it represents a much larger battle for modern consumers
He definitely have to do it, he can help so many people who are stuck with this car.
Fix it Rich! This stuff made you famous - the pain the suffering the commentary - decades of material. And we need an another real EV maker in America. Fight the right to repair!
Keep sucking off shitty evs nobody anywhere wants lol
I love these Fisker videos.
Yes.. that's why he bought it
No refunds…
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FBI OPEN UP!!! 😂😂
No refunds unless you use a credit card and refuse to agree to that policy but insist on moving forward anyway. I've had companies state "blah blah blah we'll screw you over" and I said "no thanks but I still need service so I'll pay you anyway". They're usually confused, they never say no. Because all they know is to get your money. Record the call and if a dispute comes up you'll laugh so hard at their lawyers and supervisors for thinking their rules applied when you explication said "no but I'll pay you for the service anyway" when they mention the ToS/EULA.
I needed this collab, Rich doesn’t talk enough about the gooch dust he has in his cars
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Have you tried this? I suspect THEY will be the ones laughing. Remember, your credit card's TOS say you agree to THEIR chosen arbitrator INSTEAD of going to court. How do you get around that?
Big 3 Module Engineer here; bricking modules (and therefore bricking the entire vehicle) is a very valid concern. The one rep who stated every update must be performed in order is 100% correct. The individual who stated every Warning Light / DTC must be resolved and cleared before re-programming is also 100% correct. I would also add that a Diagnostic Self-test should be performed after every update in the series, as well as making sure your 12 VOLT battery's SOC is at least 80% before doing any module re-programming. Keeping a charger on it might be a good idea too! Before you do anything, talk to your owner's group and find out the specific failure points, then take their collective wisdom and do all that you can to avoid those previously discovered pitfalls.
Needing to perform every update versions is a very, very dumb design.
I would expect nothing less from a big 3 engineer to expect modules to brick themselves... 😂 hardware in any other industry can be reset and flashed with current software
Or just buy a BMW.
@@alexandrecouture2462 Some HP servers had certain firmware that required this due to certain major changes - such as the end of TLS 1.0 and/or to patch potential exploits. Since the company I worked for at the time hired a tech firm that was run by illiterate monkeys, there was no organized patching of firmware at all, so when it got to the point it affected them, they could no longer access the devices to perform the updates, leaving it all up to me because I did.
As a Big 3 Module Engineer, can you explain why your peers design modules that are so prone to being bricked?
$599 for a software update that might turn your car into a brick. Got it.
Totally worth it.
The one that wanted to charge separately for every individual version since 1.0 and only included 5 hours of time (total?) was something else.
I still remember Fisker Ocean owners on Rich’s first video, demanding that we all concede that both buying one and investing in the company stocks was a brilliant idea, and now we’re here
In most cases it could be just the labor cost as the primary cost and the software license as the rest
@@redracerb18"Labor" 😂😂😂
Now THAT was an unexpected crossover XD. One of my favorite car and IT guys coming together
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The BMW badges? Hilarious! And just as reliable! You forgot the badge for the Steering Wheel! But you are gonna get sued! And 15:18? 🤷🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤔🤣
arguably less reliable then a bmw
emojis are gay
@@dipndaVic Nope only you are for such a dumb comment. Some emojis can make a strong point. Example. 🖕🏼🖕🏼 🤔🤣
"Each car responds differently" -- Lol. Exactly what the car-buying public wants to hear.
It means "Avoid this car at all costs".
😂😂😂 you want it, there you have it.
that was the most stupid thing i ever heard 🤣
Reminds me the 90's over clocking cpu 's. good times spending over $xx k to buy that thrill. I think one gets more pleasure spending that in vegas?
Yeah this just means I’ll be buying last years model of whatever new car comes out. I’m not dealing with being an owner of a new new car, it’s basically beta testing nowadays.
oh wow, i wasnt expecting *THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THATS EVER LIVED*
greatest crossover in anime history
I actually watched one of his videos right before this one and was so confused, like "wth has YT bugged and come back to my previous video?" lmao
Salem posted a video a few months ago about borrowing a car from rich.
Name it Billy
Pfp is crazy
The Pringles can in his jeans lmao
If you have it in earth mode, it's FWD, but if you change it to Fun or Hyper mode, it's supposed to be AWD. I say this, because I saw you guys had it in earth mode.
nice catch
good eye, I usually keep it in earth when casually putting around. I had it in hyper when I was doing the tests. I don't even think earth has enough power to break traction at any given time
Unc rich look into this
@@KutWritetwo comments above your one…
@@RichRebuildsoh, it absolutely does. If you have a lead foot and keep it in Earth mode, you'll go through your front set of tires quick.
I just dismantled my Ocean and lifted my PDU up off the front motor to try to figure out why my Ocean kept going into (N) suddenly and without warning, regardless of speed. To my surprise, the two bolts which secured the power tabs (+ and -) to the front motor from the PDU were NOT tight. One was so loose I could unscrew it with my fingers; the other couldn't have been more than 20 in/lbs tight. I think the CPU thought that the motor dropped out, and cut power and put it in (N). That fault also seemed to redirect all power requests to the 12v battery, draining it VERY quickly.
Going on a longer test drive tomorrow to see if I've fixed the issue.
Love your Salem techpersts reference. I had the honor of talking to him and joking with him about bill burr in the commments back when he just took off.
This is criminal. If a company goes bankrupt they should be required to open source all software required to operate a vehicle.
Definitely agree on needing to open source a vehicle, if every single bit of code contained in the car's software was created in-house, but one would think there's a whole lot in there that wasn't coded in house, and was used under license from others. So, I'd imagine it's a bit sticky legally to open source things with that in mind since those companies, I doubt, ever intended their efforts to become public domain.
Hard to do when the company has no money. You can make all the demands but it won’t happen.
@@sauronringholder5042 Their code wouldn't be public domain, just the tools from the bankrupt company would need to be, anything else they used from a 3rd party can stay closed as long as it performs it's role correctly, like external api's or other stuff
@@totalyep It really takes no money to release the tools and some basic documentation to the public, it's not making an entire new software
@@totalyep They could be forced to create an opensource, basic firmware at launch. If they go bankrupt it reverts to that. I'd like to see it for Android phones too. Not prepared to support the car/phone anymore? Let people do it themselves.
Definitely get it updated!!! Go with the shop that said that you have to go in sequence they seem to know what they're talking about and have everything ready
The Electric Garage should become a Fisker specialist. It will be a captive market...
That’s precisely what I was thinking. If anyone could do it, these guys could.
Yes problem is they need access to the software
@@danielstefanovic2604the software should be crackable if you put enough smart people at it, that usually requires some money and time though.
@@danielstefanovic2604 They just need to contact the FOA and they can get certified to receive FAST.
Not enough of them sold to be worthwhile
Fisker should just opensource the software and let people fix it themselves.
A group of 5 talented AND incentived developers could easily fix the software problems..
Open-sourcing previously closed-sourced software is tricky. Many of these manufacturers integrate third-party systems and libraries. Those part can't be open-sourced since they don't belong to Fisker. What you'll get in the end is just a bunch of codes that won't compile.
@@bltzcstrnx Yeah, i know about that.. I heard somewhere that some brands have a mix of 100's of components and each have their own piece of software and license :-/
Fisker is in bankruptcy so all assets are in control of the court. The update would be considered a asset { owners are willing to pay a Grand Plus for it).
16:49 Brother is PACKIN!!!
What a dystopian world we live in, where software updates for vehicles can brick them into a several-ton paperweight. Truly a time to be alive.
I'll be driving ICE until it's illegal. Then I might still do it.
@powertothesheeple5422 ICE aren't immune to this either, unless you deliberately buy low tech. I bet anything in the last 20 years that's fuel injected has a computer in the loop that could fail.
@@powertothesheeple5422 You see, that's how you do it, you just slap a beefy, very silent muffler on it with some engine bay sound deadening and now even at low speed the engine barely makes a sound, the cooling pumps of an EV would be louder. Its always funny to me that, unless you've opened up the exhaust for high performance, ICE cars are so silent that all the noise you hear from the outside at a cruise be that at 50 mph or 120 mph is tyre noise, where EVs are a lot louder due to their weight.
Edit: I forgot the reason for making it quiet, its so cops who are being paid by the -corps- -globalists- _government_ don't pull you over for suspicion of driving a gas vehicle. You also turn the exhaust pipe down, stick fake EV badges on it, and cover up and paint over the bumper exhaust exit hole.
Come to Jacksonville Florida - we have the best engineers at Karma Jacksonville who can update your Fisker. Call for Shawn!
5 hours of tech time. Yeah, right, coffee won't drink itself while hardware update is uploading...
Actually, it's more involved than that usually. It's a kin to bios flash for a laptop/desktop, but for every module. So you need to test things and ensure calibration is correct after too.
@@1337GameDev Usually end-user(which is mechanic) rarely do the stuff you described at least when we are talking about reglamented firmware upgrade from the manufacturer(its fully scripted, to exclude human error as much as possible). Did some firware and end-user software dev in my days.
Although in case of non-supported vehicle with defunct manufacturer it may be more difficult than usual.
@@lessgrep
The same could be said about providing bios updates. I personally don't care about the %, I think the possibility for you to control your device regardless of the manufacturer is what should be upheld.
I don't want the manufacturer to just say "ehhh, we don't want to provide the software and tools, and want to hide schematics, so you need to purchase the next product so we make money."
I don't want them in control over the lifetime of the product. Sure, if it needs a service, I should have the ability to replace that service with one I want, whenever.
This means that people have control over their device and can use it for as long as possible, regardless if the manufacturer deems it not profitable to extend the life, and force people to buy new.
@@1337GameDev Unfortunately car industry is the dirtiest proprietary bog you can find. Clogged with patents, lack of opened documentation, use of common protocols and so on.
And modern cars are making things worse. Allowing owner to shut you from your own vehicle, since lots of functionality now may require some sort of online connection to company backend services. Just remember BMW and their "brilliant" idea of subscription to car features, like steering wheel heating and so on.
@@lessgrep
Yeah, we just need a more liberal administration that will actually put consumer rights over corporate greed and profits :/
@22:21. It’s a boost. A buck takes a higher voltage and bucks it back to a lower. A boost will take it from a lower to a higher voltage.
Almost didn't notice the Technician's Great Big Updating Probe hiding in his pants at 16:00
No kidding, what is that thing?.❤
dude I was searching one comment mentionning him
Update the car. No guts, no glory!
seriously, nobody is here for anything less....
Yea - especially since 1.x was supposed to be total garbage. Not like he has very functional software at the moment.
As a software engineer for last 15 years, I say - Send it!!
@@vaibhavdlv as a software user for the past 20 years, I say "better the devil you know than the angel you don't"😂.
Considering the price of the car there's literally no bad outcome of the software update.
You do the software update:
- it works and you have a better car.
- it doesn't work you have a bricked car which you can sell for parts worth several times more than you bought it for
We are one company bankrupcy away from a new bill being introduced to cover this situation. It's not reasonable for anyone to keep this status quo.
This has been one hell of an awesome series....wishing you nothing but the best with this project!
16:30 The pringles can in the pants...Classic
WTF
I wouldn’t put it past him 😂
Best collab i didn't expect this. I want internals of this car in my honda fit. Just make it look like a odyssey please Rich😂
God the fisker series of video you pumping out is probably the best of all time 😂 comedy gold
that mechanic at the end was extremely knowledgeable. That was awesome, keep up the good work both of yall!!!
Got offered 8k to buy one in FL….. was going to part it out…. You want it ?
Where at?
Oh snap another channel I’m subbed to enters the chat.
@TheRustyCracker please buy it. We want to see as many people as possible live out the nightmare.
Wise investment
@@veganpotterthevegan The contents, man!!
4:45 The BMW Logos give it kind of a new family now as an orphan
Never expected Salem Techsperts on this channel but also not suprised, nice
You might wanna try SerenityEV in Phoenix they are the first national just accredited Fisker Ocean service center (getting all the tool and computers from Fisker this week).
Buying a car like this would be stupidity for the majority of people, but it’s smart for a large TH-camr like Rich to do this, so he can make amazing content for the rest of us
TH-cam car guys are famous for staging "stunts" for views and likes.
It's a nice-looking vehicle. I hope you get the kinks worked out without a complete overhaul.
See if there are other Fisker owners around you that need updates, so you can get someone to fly in. That could really help some of the other owners in the area out that are in the same predicament.
Then 5 fiskers get bricked on the same day🤣
Is that the great technician that's ever lived 😀😀😀😀
Rich, unlike Fisker the software that we (team of 4) wrote for monitoring and setting up the McLaren F1 super-car back between 1990 and 1992 at Tag McLaren in the UK I believe is still in use on the cars using an ancient Compaq laptop and a piece of inhouse designed hardware called a CA-13 to this day. I was astounded to find that out a few years ago. I believe there was an effort to modernize that stuff.
It's definitely been updated, we use modern high power laptops on much newer software now. All the teams use the McLaren system though.
Holy unexpected crossover episode!! Absolutely love both my different friend groups get together 😂😂
LOL at BMW logos 😂
I love your Fisker adventure, dude.
I’d say drive far and make it a risky upgrade, but document every mile, so to speak, since it can be valuable for other Fisker Ocean owners.
THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THAT EVER LIVED
Find anther totaled ocean and pull all the modules that would update, perform the update on your modules and if it bricks, swap in the salvage modules as a recovery option.
You're gonna get an email from BMW.. 😅
My thoughts exactly!
Nope. Certified Letter. His signature that it was received is required.
FACTS!!
BMW wont do a thing...
I honestly think that this is the perfect opportunity to build an open source automotive OS. The hardware is ubiquitous. Everything under the hood is essentially the same, but just implemented differently.
"the same but implemented differently" is a contradiction. Either either the same or it's different. Even if 2 modules (ABS controls, for example) have the same overall purpose, if the hardware is different, then firmware is different, then inputs & outputs are different... etc. etc. which means you need custom code for the custom combination of custom modules.
"Open Source" sounds great when it's just 2 words, probably because people think "Linux is open source and it works great, how hard can it be?" And they don't realize that there's literally thousands of programmers employed or donating their time to constantly update various hardware-specific drivers that are included in Linux. And this is for a product where hardware manufacturers are actually OK with people operating a different OS because it increases their potential customer base.
Whereas car manufacturers may buy off-the-shelf modules, they generally get custom-made modules for their unique vehicles, because they're in the business of trying to make a better package than their competitors. And you want them to open-source the trade secrets they invested in their (hopefully) superior modules? What do they get out of helping all their competitors? A feeling of goodwill & respect from 1% of the world which are nerds who actually are interested in tinkering with the code?
Once upon a time, I updated the software on my Garmin GPS. It turned the GPS into a brick. I lost $150. I was upset. If a software update turned my $70,000 car into a brick, I might consider taking up hunting.
$10,000 car. It's only a $70,000 car if Fisker were to keep building & selling them.... and if they were able to stay in business, then they'd be able to sort out the bricking issues.
It really makes me wonder WTF the fisker software guys were doing that makes the car so prone to being bricked.
@@TrueGrantsta70000$ car. People have purchased these POS for around that price for the top model. Its possible they can look to get it updated and potentially get it bricked
What a POS Fisker the person is. Criminal and should be charged legally. Rich, there's going to be more windshields available than un bricked cars.
@@TrueGrantstaI thought it was supposed to be a $40,000 SUV mid market. I wonder what happened to that.
Cheap IT guys from Indian universities @@TrueGrantsta
Your EGarage guys are geniuses now in this space. Just listen to you tech talk thru the “Buck” . This could be a Rich moment where you take over the service for this whole FOA fleet. Good for you Rich.
Talk about headaches involving updates!😮 this makes me appreciate my model S long range 2021 even more!😊Great informative subject 😊
My only black friend!
Rich is white
No... His dad was Dolomite
@@thelifeoffullerif I was blind I’d believe you lol
You need an N car then 😅
Actually.. it should be.. I have a white friend.. I have the white friend pass
Go to Albany and get the software update. I own an Ultra model, and I want to see how the process goes. I am on the 2.0 software (which updated over the air), and am waiting for the 2.2 software update.
I have over 10,000 miles on my car.
A you are waiting for a SOFTWARE update from a dead company?
Sigh...
@@billmyke746 2.2 is out at some of the places Rich called.
@@billmyke746 Have a search on here - someone has been pumping out 2.2 OTA very recently (past week or so) - it's not as daft as it sounds
I can't believe Fisker went bankrupt that an amazing car! No issues at all.
The update is worth the drive
A Twice pic? You rock dude. Love that group.
Rich loves a good Fiskering.
You got charged for that usb cable, did you keep it or was it one time use?
It was rent only😂
I think it became hazardous waste
Yeah, you saw the guy too it with him!! Black people getting robbed in daylight!! 😆😆
@@jerrydwyer9057 Every cable that touches Fisker data becomes hazardous waste.
he actually didn't get the software updates. that was a fake invoice, just for giggles.
it does look damn good for 10k.
It does! Here in the Netherlands they try to sell these cars voor 40k plus secondhand... Don't think anyone is going to fall for that :)
You are an incredible pioneer and warrior of EV ownership. OMG, you have a level of patience with troubleshooting I would never be able to do. The vehicle is like a quirky old truck. Never let your wife or children drive that car. Carry On Sir.
This joke was too nice 🤣🤣🤣 0:06
5:16 the bmw logo on it has me dead🤣🤣☠️
True that!
22:23 buck converter bucks the voltage down. boost converter boosts the voltage up. Buck-Boost converter kinda geh it can go both ways.
What's the purpose of it though? They kinda explained in the video but I didn't quite understand. Something about reducing arcing?
@@craigchatterton4164 I'm no electrician but from what I could tell it basically puts a voltage on the low end of the contactor (think giant electrical switch/relay) so that when you go and close the circuit the voltage difference is not that big (going from 400v or whatever to 0v, instead going 400 to 255) so that no giant arcs of electricity go through the air and damage the contactor.
@@craigchatterton4164 As @devnol stated, in a typical EV system, there are large capacitors inside the motor or charge controller that need to be at least partially pre-charged before connecting the main battery through the contactors. If the capacitors are empty when the contactors close, a huge inrush current will rapidly charge the capacitors (similar to a short circuit), and the resulting arcing could potentially weld the main contactors shut and damaging them. It's a silly way to make expensive paperweight. Think of it like a 'soft starter' for large motors or audio amplifiers.
@@mtx33 @devnol Thank you both for answering. That makes sense.
My guess is it takes the output from the solar on the roof to charge the battery
After your last video I went shopping here in California $23-$27 thousand mostly from dealers.
Without a question at the price, you paid update baby! Plus, we get more content from you keep up your great work!
JD in Lubbock, Texas is a good dude. He’s got the fast tool. Updated his own two Fiskers. Probably about to buy one of his off of him. Should give him a call.
I should say that he’s on the list of approved Fisker shops
10:45 imagine doing an update on a perfectly working car which costs you 500 bucks and they brick 🧱 your car 😅 then they can’t repair it 😂😂😂😂😂 WoW
Imagine doing an update on a car.
I save my backup to the previous OS version in iTunes. /s/s/s
a perfectly working car, what car you talking about?
@@filip000 Imagine living in the 21st century?
I wore a Rich t shirt into Ace Hardware today (the black Quackbang grenade one) and some older gent who worked there commented on my shirt with enthusiasm. Good times. Glad to see Rich is permeating the hardware stores these days! 😂
I’m not surprised an Ace Hardware employee would recognize Rich’s shirt. Those guys are rock stars. They are the one hardware store left where you can ask a question about a project and they actually know how to address the issue. I freakin love Ace!
@@brian5o Hell yeah. I always go to ace. Immediately walk in and they’re happy to help you.
I wore my Only Vans shirt the other day, and the guy at Firestone recognized it. The shirt only gets recognized about once every six months.
@@azmax623 Rough. I remember when Vans were the shoe to have in the 90s for certain folks.
Imagine the being a person who was happy they had paid full price for a fisker ocean, and then wanting a simple update 6 months to 1 year later! 🤣
As someone who has an original fisker karma, I am not at all surprised to see you having these issues. Good luck cause 12 years later I still have issues with it.
Awesome video. As a Fisker owner in MA, can Electrified Garage please become a certified Fisker repair center and get the FAST tool? It is a great car just such a poorly managed company. How cars were allowed to be driven with the 1.0 software is just crazy. Part of me thinks if they waited until version 2.0, they would not have gotten so much negative press and cancelled orders but then again they probably would have run out of cash first.
16:49 man he got really excited talking about that software! Had some hardware in his pants
So nice that those voice actors could take a break from day drinking to read those scripts for you
16:19 why did bro put a half can of pringles in his pants?😂
I really like the part where you lift the car up and start looking at individual parts! I have no idea what anything is, but it was cool to see that!
I saw one in Cali back in June, and I really liked it. Had they stayed around I might have considered one as a second car.
TH-cam should just look at most of the comments that show up within the first few minutes of posting a new video and track anybody who posts to see if they do the same thing on other videos because I can’t believe the number of bots that are here and YT tells me it has literally been 58 seconds since this video was posted.
You need to get laid, asap
A little hint, the b0ts are fr0m yt itself, this to appear (artificial engagrment) more profitabIe for sh4reholders.
TH-cam is part of it
It used to be drug sales and now its prostitutes. I don't even let the kids use my account until TH-cam gets it figured out. I reported one with a profile pic that looked like a private body part and when I clicked to report it the account page of the pic was that part being used. I am starting to think some of them are actual YT employees clowning YT.
Save your breath and aggravation. TH-cam ain’t doing shit.
usb-c to usb-c cord $80 🤣straight ripoff
And the tech took it with him 😂
Apple Thunderbolt 4 (USB‑C) Pro Cable (3 m) = $159.00
@@drevvd lmao thunderbolt 4 is overkill for a simple software update in a car lol, he aint trying to drive 4k monitors or something
plus $50 hazardous waste fee lol
@@c0d3_m0nk3y really hoping that invoice was a joke.. wtf!!
That was the most legit software update ever😅😅😅
I can’t believe it didn’t stick!
Works 25% of the time, every time.
Do the update. If it bricks you can sell it for it's valuable parts. If it works, then it works! Either way it's great content.
BMW Ocean!
Same difference.
Get a quote from carmax and carvana on it. I know for me for the right price it would be gone and they can deal with it.
Babe wake up, rich rebuilds just dropped
The cross over I never expected... Rich and the greatest technician that ever lived!
Can’t describe how bad I needed this uncle Rich therapy session. Thank you sir. You have no idea
Why on earth is a software update for a car you already purchased $600? It's not like they have to replace any parts is it?
Because 3rd party companies arent running a charity, they gotta make money.
Because each service bay usually earns $200-250 per hour, and if your car is occupying that bay and being watched by a tech, they need to get that money every hour--or they are losing money.
We start a betting pool to see how many hours it takes you IF you can read a Fiskar center.
And a second pool to see if the brick it.
And a third pool to see if you get home.
Turn this into a betting channel!
@@lyfandeth Not really an excuse you dont need to jack up a car on a lift to run a software update they should be able to just plug a laptop into it in the parking lot and have the tech come back every hour or so the check the progress updates should not require constant monitoring = just saying
Rich, Fisker is not a manufacturer. Like Nike, they make nothing. The Fisker is built by the Same Canadian company that builds every Mercedes G Wagon. Magna Intl. at their plant in Austria.
Shouldn’t he have left you that $80 USB-C cable?
It was sentimental to me
Only an $80 usage fee on a sentimental usb cable is a steal
His grand pappy brought it back from the war
His granny choked his grandpa when he demanded some pickles with this cable. It's a symbol of feminism!!
You are a brave person taking a risk on that car, but it makes for GREAT content. Definitely wait a year until everyone else gets the updates and then see how many cars are actually bricked before you decide.
Salem Techsperts! the best PC repair shop! Dude love their content great that yall combined like the megazord!
Paying for a software update is crazy
Fisker: that's what happens when the founder leaves his wife without experience at the charge of the company. Sheet happens.
To give credit where it's due, dude had already flopped an automaker once, and decided to pay even less attention to this one than he did to the first, wonderful combination
He should have stuck with Tesla
@@ryanlavender2411 Indeed, that LS engine will run forever
Your video shows why they rightfully went bankrupt. This car should be banned from even being on the road. Respectfully
Keep the car. The car is great and you know it. Torque steer is there, not great but you get used to it 😀
For the rest updates and service will fix most of the issues. FOA is recreating the service the owners needed and possibly even improving it.
I kind of admire a person who can tolerate all the glitches and issues with modern EVs like that ,, you know....
I have 20 year old Fords,, I've never experienced any of that weird stuff and I couldn't handle it if I did...
YOOOOOO! Truly The Greatest Technician that ever lived!!!!!
That invoice.. 🤣
I forgot to charge for a few things…
@@SalemTechsperts Sales tax was a great deal.
Waste disposal charge.
Well, d'uh. The old software has to go somewhere.
4:42 Yes, NEVER drive the ocean through a machine car wash, it is guaranteed to break, that’s why my dad hand washes his ocean.
Ocean can't stand water. Awesome!
Hmm, you'd think with a name like that, it could get wet ...
@@stacymcmahon453is the ocean wet when you wash it?
@@JoshsAutoReviews_0424 I take mine through touchless car washes (they use extra strong water jets to make up for the lack of brushes) all the time. No issues. Some people hand wash their vehicles because that's the "right" way to wash a car.
@@JOfAllT Really? Oceans have bad wiring protection so water often gets into the lights causing them to malfunction, but I guess every car is different.
The greatest technician to ever live showed up and fixed it 😂
I would add some sort of mechanism to release the bricking mechanism from the back. You might need an emergency release from a charger but then you are stuck. Pull a reset from inside the hood would be a good idea.
i feel like you are the black elon
thank u belon