I ride a 2022 FXLRST and the mids don’t bother me at all. I rode baggers for years with floor boards never again for my riding. I am 5’11” tall, yes it felt cramped at first but now I love them.
Agreed. I have a 32" inseam and prefer the mids as well. An aftermarket seat helped a little too, but I don't get the complaints. Likely it's those who have been doing the barcalounger position for years.
@@nicksavich7970 I really think the mids put you in more of an aggressive riding position, ready to make quick second adjustments faster. Also after a long ride I am less fatigued than when I had forward controls on my old roadglide.
I have owned a sport chieffor a uear now, and i have done 6 hour journeys with only one stop, and i have to say, the brakes are excellent, the suspension is spot on, i do not experience any vibration of any note, so all in i am not sure what this review was about, considering the comments.
There were a bunch of comments that left me scratching my head. Brakes don't grab? Bitch I have to be careful to not grab too hard. Suspensions to stiff? They're not configured for a 5 foot 100 lbs fella, change it to the appropriate tension.
74 hp? Needs a little help. I'll stay with my Low Rider S 117. LRS is better looking, especially the engine, and has everything I wanted in a big cruiser.Just wish it had a long fender like my '79 FXEF. Even got 49 mpg riding 2 up in the mountains. Love this bike.
If you compare Cycleworld dyno sheets, the Harley 117 only makes more power and torque above 4300rpm. The indian 116 makes pretty much the same power and torque up until that point. If you aren't revving your Harley 117 past 4300rpm on a regular basis, then its the same grunt you'd get from the Indian 116
@@FrankBonessa I have a 2022 FXLRST, I couldn’t believe it I got 52 mpg riding through northern Arizona a few weeks back, I had to check it with my buddy and sure enough 52 mpg.
@@NicePantsLanceSo, if I don’t actually ride the bike, and barely twist the throttle, they make the same power. Is that the argument you really wanted to make brotha? Haha enjoy
Harley tester talked about the engine! Indian tester , in response, didn’t say anything - rubber mounted? Solid mounted ? Counter balancers ? No counter balancers ? I guess it doesn’t matter much - looks like Indian lost everywhere anyway 🤔
Indian has plenty of performance options as well. Big bore kits, cams, throttle bodies, supercharger kits, intakes, exhausts, etc. You can make 130whp with the 116 thunderstroke without going big bore, and now theres even a 131ci Indian big bore kit!
I have the old version of the FXLRS with the 114. It’s a killer bike! I do wish I had the 117, but I have never needed the extra inch of lean angle. I’m sure the Sport Chief is a great bike, but I prefer the Harley styling. I like the engine design and just the overall aesthetic of the LRS. You probably can’t go wrong either way.
I have a 2023 Sport Chief, and I do not have the issues that they speak of with the throttle or vibration. I do appreciate the fact that these Indians feel more balanced and lighter compared to other motorcycles of the same weight that I have ridden. I did put forward controls on due to my bad knees not being comfortable with the mid-controls.
I would love a Sport chief, but I started riding literally 2 weeks ago and everyone said to start on a smaller bike so I started on an Indian scout. I’m eyeing the sport chief maybe after 3/4 years learning on the scout, but the main concern I have is comfort. I’m 6’1 and 250 lbs. Do you find forward controls are more comfortable than the stock mids?
My wife has a 2020 Indian Scout classic with forward controls, and extended reach seat. Which makes it more comfortable for a taller person. Even though my wife is 5'5" she prefers the extended reach as well. Both bikes are a pleasure to ride, balanced and comfortable.
I have a 2023 sports chief with 14,000 miles on it and I love this bike so far but I do have some aftermarket parts on it The front is 2 inch lifted. and upgrade the cams and two to one exhaust
I guess this is the first test between Indian Motorcycle and Harley-Davidson, where Indian actually loses... On objective criteria. Hats off to Harley-Davidson. Anyway, when it comes to aesthetics... I prefer Indian Motorcycle. Well done guys!
Test rode the Sport Chief today and was not as impressed as I was expecting. Like they said, it's vibey. Preferred the new Sport Scout. Way better engine. Now wait until Indian puts their water-cooled Power Plus engine in it... No contest on power.
I'm so conflicted between these two bikes. Looking to purchase a bike in the upcoming months and it's a really rough decision. Leaning more towards the LRS because of dealer network and potential resell value
If you can find a LRS for msrp then get it. Most can’t. I don’t think the sport chief is that far behind and at least it’s available with fair pricing. Throw a set of 585 cams and a 2-1 exhaust on the Indian and I guarantee you it’ll mop the floor with that Harley.
The M8 Softail platform is honestly a full generation ahead of Indians Chief platform. From the performance, refinement, quality and riding pleasure. I cross shopped both these exact bikes earlier this year. Took them both on an extensive test ride on the same day. Had no bias going into it, never owned either brands bikes before. I bought the Harley Low Rider S that day. Indian makes some great bikes, but the Chief lineup needs a shakeup. The Scout lineup and FTR are amazing though.
That's weird because the Chief won the Big Twins Cup race on thay same chassis, beating out an entire field of Harleys. Harley also loses to Indian in flat track, king of the baggers and endlessly in Super Hooligans. Across the board, Indian is dominating in racing with nearly all their chassis. Harley on does well in King of the Bagger, due to a very skilled rider they have.
@user-eq4ne1xv5d lol nah spent about 7k in total that's with suspension and everything it absolutely rips tho been riding it for 7 years but the last year or so I haven't rode as much as I'd like to I'm honestly debating on selling it and getting back on the dirt and getting another 450 motocross bike a new Honda or Yamaha 450 but I hate to sell the dyna best street bike I've ever had. But im definitely dying to get back to moto and at the moment Definitely don't have the funds to have both so I'm not sure what I wanna do
You buy a Harley. You disassemble half of it. You buy a whole Japanese bike price worth of performance upgrades. You install them. You get the power it should have had from factory.
Look at where they make power. If you compare the hd 117 with the indian 116, they both make the same power and torque until they get to 4300rpm. Virtually the same
My '22 FXLRS - Great motor, styling, handling, and front brakes. About as comfortable as a church pew and dragging my right foot works better than the rear brake.
I like that Indian are at the very least keeping HD to improve their game. Now being King of the Baggers (thanks to the current Australian Superbike Champion - go Troy!) will only drive HD further. A big positive for the customer on either side of the paddock!
Absolutely the LRS. Been on them all (though my personal ripper is a Dyna LRS).... Gotta say also, you guys gotta get those feet up in the canyons on these kinda bikes... A few turns there I was expecting broken ankles from you guys....
Very interesting conclusions. I own the 2023 Sport Chief & my friend has the 2023 Lowrider S & we agree after riding both that the Indian is slightly better in almost every single way, even in torque & power so I'm not sure the numbers are accurate at the wheel. The reality is they are extremely similar bikes & both well made motorcycles & I guess the rider experience is too subjective to bank on. DEFINITELY go test ride both before buying either to see for yourself, and remember that things like stock seats & pipes are RARELY what you end up with, unless you live in Commiefornia.
Been riding for 30 plus years. Test rode both of these and also the Indian 101 sport chief. I’ve had many different motorcycles and have a few I keep. The low rider S is hands down the most fun and better motorcycle. Like you said - they’ve have more time to test and develop the low rider S. The low rider model itself, how long has it been around? Harley Davidson is the king here and although Indian is great at imitation it can’t beat the HD.
@@Boom-ou1vb The 101 sport scout is a completely different class of motorcycle, a water-cooled "compact" sports cruiser. It is lighter, sportier, and more nimble than the LRS. How could it not leave an impression if you are such an experienced rider as you claim?
@@Shah_creates It is just my opinion on riding both. I prefer the HD. The aftermarket support is hands down a lot better than the Indian and that is what I am interested in. I also don't like the way the Indian looks. Fit and finish are not my favorite. These are just my opinions on which one I choose. The new softail frame is great for handling and with some slight upgrades that are readily available it can be even better.
@@Boom-ou1vb That's fair. I love the LRS but when I rode it, it was HEAVY. But it moved like a light bike. Havent ridden the 101 Scout yet but it looks promising on paper.
I never understood the new Chief line up, it feels low effort as if the bean counters had more input than the engineers. I do like their instrumentation but that does not make up for the rest of it. I remember when they first came out and many were a bit annoyed at the shock setup and it seemed a real step down from the Chieftain line. When it comes to the next size down, the Scout line up is just amazing as compared to Nightster and Sportster models
What you are saying makes no sence the dealers can't keep those bikes on the show room and barely to none in the use market. Those bike are well made and super simple to maintiain, they run super strong the Video is total BS from Harley guys putting down their main competitor!
Interesting...I rode both and the SC felt more powerful despite the numbers and the handling wasn't close for me. I bought a '23 SC and with exhaust, intake, and tune it rips. Both cool bikes, but my impressions when riding both were much different.
Those Indian dyno numbers really surprised me. And helped make me feel more justified on my Harley purchase even though when I test drove the Indian in sport mode I thought it was faster because the throttle response in sport is crazy.😅 I like both bikes though. The Indians super nice And the triumph. It was hard for me to choose a bike, Harley was just so aggressive and desperate to sell one when I bought I went with them. It’s also the old school feel of the Harley that made me choose it. I actually didn’t like how easy the clutch pull is on the Indian or the triumph. Or the other controls for that matter.
@Rockybalboa541 Yes they have to flash it after you put it on that's part of the 350$ I'm talking about unless you have a tuner some of them allow you to activate it yourself and save more money. Best money I have ever invested in a motorcycle
When I heard the comments on the HP and the performance of the Brembo brakes, I thought, "I must have been spoofed, the account must be Cycle Werld". But I checked and it is Cycle World. What a pathetic star of affairs.
That Indian is on some sloth style, especially the heinous fairing. I've also not seen any on the road at all but then again all I ever see is baggers, HD or Indian. Harley cats where I'm at don't even buy the LRS much less than that a splurtchurf. Fuck a 1/4 mile time, 29° of lean? All that suspension and no height to use it, not that most would even push hard in the turns. Either way, atleast both companies are trying. With a handful of changes both scoots can be shredders.
Would rather have the low rider st version personally. Either way my 2011 dyna street bob has the 110 tire shredder on it making 106hp/122tq so there's ZERO reason for me to part with it for one of these two bikes.
Hahah that is like saying Indian should make cars and nothing on two wheels , maybe Harley Davidson should stop worrying about making pride glides and woke cycles I’ve had both Indian by far
@@deangelisstudio1 no not what I am saying. Look at Victory. They had their own style. It wasn’t carbon copies. I can look at an Indian and pick out the exact bike style they try copying. Go back into your own history and evolve something original. I think that would be way cooler.
@@AlexUllerifollowing the popular style of the time is what they are doing Victory made "chopper" styled bikes something Harley attempted and failed breakout etc. That was the trend 10-20yrs ago. Now it's club and baggers, just because Harley just kept making the same bikes with no updates other than ci doesn't mean everyone is copying them. If you put a victory next to a Indian the styling cues flow over. Do the fairings look similar of course there are only so many ways to keep them aerodynamic etc. Both companies have some learning, refining and the competition only makes it better for us as customers.
@AlexUlleri The only similarities of the two brands is they have two wheels, You can not change the dynamic of a motorcycle, Just like cars planes and trucks they always will have the same shit!
HD has More power, more torque, lighter, better breaking, better drag times, better lean angle, better dealer network, better accessory list: No brainer.
test rode both of them and ended up with the lowrider s. At 6'2 225lbs and the ergonomics on the sport chief had me leaning forward a lot in an unnatural way.
@@NicePantsLance I could see that. The lowrider s is pretty good on twisty roads. I think bc of my size, the leaning forward on the indian is just uncomfortable for me
I mean given the difference in price between the two... How is this even a comparison? I mean I get it they look so similar and everything and yes you make some great points but $19,999 vs $33,250 Again I get why their being compared but it didnt feel like you ACTUALLY looked at the full story here. Do harley deserve credit for the bike damn right they do.. But the Indian being that close at such a smaller price.... Its not even a small difference
@@mr.b3168 epa restrictions. Harley gets around that with their “aftermarket” screaming eagle accessories. So you’re not comparing apples to apples here. The 116 has more potential than that
I see HD is paying the so called journalists again. You guys are full of it with these numbers. No way Indian is that much lower than Lowrider. Vibrations on Indian are bad and Harleys are adding character. Lol what a joke.
Good to see you're sporting the Air-Bag Vests. 👍 as far as the Bikes, The Polaris wins on Tech, but it's a Slug power wise. The H-D 117 is classic, but H-D at the moment is Limp-wristed and WOKE...So I'll pass on Both
@@Boom-ou1vb I don’t have TikTok on my phone that’s China crap , an Indian died years ago. Indian is a Bought , name by Polaris and as long as they employ American worker’s I’m good with with them no matter what they’re called.
I love when people say west coast club style look. It was never ment to be a look. It's the result of making the bike handle better. Better lean angle and rider position little bit of wind protection. That's the point of taller suspension, moto style bar and fairing.
Man. I just test rode the Indian Chief Bobber Dark Horse. Sport mode was... not... useable. The delay in the throttle response was too much, and when it finally kicked in, it wanted to yank my arms off. Not smooth at all unless you're at speed. It's only too bad the Indians look sooo much nicer than the Harleys. I'll stick to my base model Indian Chief with the 111 engine. Very useable and more fun to use than the comparable Harleys. But yeah, clear winner here is the Low Rider S, if that wasn't obvious. Too bad it looks so meh and feels so cramped. Great color options, though, though not as good as Indians'. It's also too bad the Harley culture is way more toxic and annoying, plus the Harley company is shady and disgusts me.
Four minutes in and I just can't... These guys might have moto-journalism skills (maybe, I don't know,) but their delivery is robotic and riddled with cliche. Every other word comes out like a fax machine- maybe they need to practice or do something to get more comfortable? But it's not there yet.
The 116ci is pretty dated, where as Harley just made a new engine. Im sure Indian will come out with an improved version soon. They always have to compete with HD
A 116 with 70 horse power and over 600 lbs is trash. An uninspiring paper weight. You don’t. We’d dual Brembos if you’re not going anywhere any time soon.
It's biased because the Harley is just a way better motorcycle in almost every objective metric. More power, less weight, better brakes and suspension, more lean angle, better aftermarket support and dealer network. Looks way better too.
@@Schlebergertypical biased response 😂 the Low Rider S is 680lbs wet, and the Sport Chief is 685lbs wet. 5lbs is literally indistinguishable. So the Low Rider can lean only 1.8 degrees more than the Chief, but the Chief has more ground clearance than the Low Rider. Once again, indistinguishable unless you scrape peg with every turn. The Low Rider has 300mm brakes in the front and 292mm in the rear, and the Chief has 320mm in the front and 300mm in the rear 😂 so yeah, Indian has the better brakes. The Low Rider has single cartridge forks in the front, and a monoshock in the rear. The Chief has KYB adjustables up front, and DUAL Fox adjustables in the rear. Indian has far better suspension. Also, if you compare Cycleworld dyno tests, the Harley 117 only makes more power and torque above 4300rpm. The Indian 116 makes pretty much the same power and torque up until that point 😂 Only difference really is that when you buy the new Harley, you run a high chance of needing your engine replaced before you hit 10k miles 😂
So you mean to tell me that my sister's 95 Magna makes only 6 less hp but weighs 150 lbs less than the big bad Low Rider S!?! Honda FTW lol I'll keep saving for a Buell Super Cruiser
h-d lighter faster at straights ,have more lean clearance it dosent necessery mean it be faster in corner cos resultsnt cog tore size and profile hiton this aswelll and from your talking it looks like indian can be slightly fadter actuallly in corner when ypu say its only 9 pound heavier but feel like ypu mist put much more effort to force him to change direction it mean it proabbaly have higher cog in results acumulate more corner speed 👌🏻its not me class bike but if im must choice than 🤔 whatever-for me draw 👍🏻☕️
The thing I like about the Indian is it is going to keep Harley on there toes and make them keep stepping up.
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I ride a 2022 FXLRST and the mids don’t bother me at all. I rode baggers for years with floor boards never again for my riding. I am 5’11” tall, yes it felt cramped at first but now I love them.
Agreed. I have a 32" inseam and prefer the mids as well. An aftermarket seat helped a little too, but I don't get the complaints. Likely it's those who have been doing the barcalounger position for years.
@@nicksavich7970 I really think the mids put you in more of an aggressive riding position, ready to make quick second adjustments faster. Also after a long ride I am less fatigued than when I had forward controls on my old roadglide.
I hear you man.
Ya’ll need to do this on the new Scouts and the new Sportsters
I have owned a sport chieffor a uear now, and i have done 6 hour journeys with only one stop, and i have to say, the brakes are excellent, the suspension is spot on, i do not experience any vibration of any note, so all in i am not sure what this review was about, considering the comments.
There were a bunch of comments that left me scratching my head. Brakes don't grab? Bitch I have to be careful to not grab too hard. Suspensions to stiff? They're not configured for a 5 foot 100 lbs fella, change it to the appropriate tension.
I just wish the Sport Chief had, at least, a 5-gal Fuel Tank. Thats why i lean my interests to the Lowrider-S. Less times to pull over, during a trip.
74 hp? Needs a little help. I'll stay with my Low Rider S 117. LRS is better looking, especially the engine, and has everything I wanted in a big cruiser.Just wish it had a long fender like my '79 FXEF. Even got 49 mpg riding 2 up in the mountains. Love this bike.
If you compare Cycleworld dyno sheets, the Harley 117 only makes more power and torque above 4300rpm. The indian 116 makes pretty much the same power and torque up until that point. If you aren't revving your Harley 117 past 4300rpm on a regular basis, then its the same grunt you'd get from the Indian 116
@@FrankBonessa I have a 2022 FXLRST, I couldn’t believe it I got 52 mpg riding through northern Arizona a few weeks back, I had to check it with my buddy and sure enough 52 mpg.
@@waydel1 impressive for sure.
@@NicePantsLanceSo, if I don’t actually ride the bike, and barely twist the throttle, they make the same power. Is that the argument you really wanted to make brotha? Haha enjoy
@03Grunt-arrino how often are you really riding at 4300+ RPMs? Let's be real 3k-4k is where you're living
Harley tester talked about the engine!
Indian tester , in response, didn’t say anything - rubber mounted? Solid mounted ? Counter balancers ? No counter balancers ?
I guess it doesn’t matter much - looks like Indian lost everywhere anyway 🤔
Low rider s performance options to increase torque and hp are key. Better looking too
Indian has plenty of performance options as well. Big bore kits, cams, throttle bodies, supercharger kits, intakes, exhausts, etc.
You can make 130whp with the 116 thunderstroke without going big bore, and now theres even a 131ci Indian big bore kit!
@@NicePantsLancelol sure 👍🏿
As well as the ability to install a 131 or 135 which can also be upgraded 🍻
@@palmettolowlife1996Scouts go 9s with boltons and cams
They go deeper into the 9s with the big bore
10s with boltons
@@Wes.jumpssscouts dont need power and they go 9s in 1/4 mile
I have the old version of the FXLRS with the 114. It’s a killer bike! I do wish I had the 117, but I have never needed the extra inch of lean angle. I’m sure the Sport Chief is a great bike, but I prefer the Harley styling. I like the engine design and just the overall aesthetic of the LRS. You probably can’t go wrong either way.
I have a 2023 Sport Chief, and I do not have the issues that they speak of with the throttle or vibration. I do appreciate the fact that these Indians feel more balanced and lighter compared to other motorcycles of the same weight that I have ridden. I did put forward controls on due to my bad knees not being comfortable with the mid-controls.
I would love a Sport chief, but I started riding literally 2 weeks ago and everyone said to start on a smaller bike so I started on an Indian scout.
I’m eyeing the sport chief maybe after 3/4 years learning on the scout, but the main concern I have is comfort. I’m 6’1 and 250 lbs.
Do you find forward controls are more comfortable than the stock mids?
My wife has a 2020 Indian Scout classic with forward controls, and extended reach seat. Which makes it more comfortable for a taller person. Even though my wife is 5'5" she prefers the extended reach as well. Both bikes are a pleasure to ride, balanced and comfortable.
I have a 2023 sports chief with 14,000 miles on it and I love this bike so far but I do have some aftermarket parts on it The front is 2 inch lifted. and upgrade the cams and two to one exhaust
Make a video about the bike
I guess this is the first test between Indian Motorcycle and Harley-Davidson, where Indian actually loses... On objective criteria. Hats off to Harley-Davidson. Anyway, when it comes to aesthetics... I prefer Indian Motorcycle. Well done guys!
Test rode the Sport Chief today and was not as impressed as I was expecting.
Like they said, it's vibey.
Preferred the new Sport Scout. Way better engine.
Now wait until Indian puts their water-cooled Power Plus engine in it... No contest on power.
i agree, i felt like the chief was missing some important refinement in the important aspects of the ride experience
I'm so conflicted between these two bikes. Looking to purchase a bike in the upcoming months and it's a really rough decision. Leaning more towards the LRS because of dealer network and potential resell value
Also the plethora of aftermarket parts for customizing the LRS
Better resale? Are people buying Harley's today with a WOKE company?
If you can find a LRS for msrp then get it. Most can’t. I don’t think the sport chief is that far behind and at least it’s available with fair pricing. Throw a set of 585 cams and a 2-1 exhaust on the Indian and I guarantee you it’ll mop the floor with that Harley.
@@brettcloud8550 wait. The FXLRS is due for major overhaul upgrades from the factory. If I were to bet i would think 2025 or 2026.
@@Rambiker2023chief Do same with HD 117 and adios mf.
I rode both and own a FXLRST. I love both. I bought FXLRST because it was a good deal($20k) The next bike purchase definitely would be Sport Chief.
I bought the indian sport chief with stage 1. 8-12 + hp, 10-15 lbs overall weight reduction.I love it.
The M8 Softail platform is honestly a full generation ahead of Indians Chief platform. From the performance, refinement, quality and riding pleasure.
I cross shopped both these exact bikes earlier this year. Took them both on an extensive test ride on the same day. Had no bias going into it, never owned either brands bikes before. I bought the Harley Low Rider S that day.
Indian makes some great bikes, but the Chief lineup needs a shakeup. The Scout lineup and FTR are amazing though.
That's weird because the Chief won the Big Twins Cup race on thay same chassis, beating out an entire field of Harleys.
Harley also loses to Indian in flat track, king of the baggers and endlessly in Super Hooligans.
Across the board, Indian is dominating in racing with nearly all their chassis. Harley on does well in King of the Bagger, due to a very skilled rider they have.
My horsepower inc built 1999 dyna has 111hp and 129ftlbs torque at the wheel out of what was originally an 88" twin cam but has a 95" kit
That HPI TC probably cost as much as a whole softail too lol
@user-eq4ne1xv5d lol nah spent about 7k in total that's with suspension and everything it absolutely rips tho been riding it for 7 years but the last year or so I haven't rode as much as I'd like to I'm honestly debating on selling it and getting back on the dirt and getting another 450 motocross bike a new Honda or Yamaha 450 but I hate to sell the dyna best street bike I've ever had. But im definitely dying to get back to moto and at the moment Definitely don't have the funds to have both so I'm not sure what I wanna do
You buy a Harley. You disassemble half of it. You buy a whole Japanese bike price worth of performance upgrades. You install them. You get the power it should have had from factory.
@@exothermal.sprocketI don't think there's a Japanese air/oil cooled pushrod v twin on the market.
@@johncarl5505 There's more of those than people who understand grammar and metaphors.
Cycle world dyno'd the 116 indian chieftain limited at 85hp in 2021? Is it really down 10hp since the then?
EPA
Lol, every European and Japanese manufacturer is up.
Look at where they make power. If you compare the hd 117 with the indian 116, they both make the same power and torque until they get to 4300rpm. Virtually the same
Indian's baggers (Springfield, Chieftan & Roadmaster) use a different tune on the 116's than the Chiefs. I don't know why.
My '22 FXLRS - Great motor, styling, handling, and front brakes. About as comfortable as a church pew and dragging my right foot works better than the rear brake.
That low rider S looks incredible.
I like that Indian are at the very least keeping HD to improve their game. Now being King of the Baggers (thanks to the current Australian Superbike Champion - go Troy!) will only drive HD further. A big positive for the customer on either side of the paddock!
Great video. How are y’all recording both GoPro audio feeds together?
Curious how one of these would compare vs a speed twin 1200
Great video guys. Very well done. Definitely made in California.
Absolutely the LRS. Been on them all (though my personal ripper is a Dyna LRS).... Gotta say also, you guys gotta get those feet up in the canyons on these kinda bikes... A few turns there I was expecting broken ankles from you guys....
Low Rider s all day! Choice is pretty clear listening to these guys.
Very interesting conclusions. I own the 2023 Sport Chief & my friend has the 2023 Lowrider S & we agree after riding both that the Indian is slightly better in almost every single way, even in torque & power so I'm not sure the numbers are accurate at the wheel. The reality is they are extremely similar bikes & both well made motorcycles & I guess the rider experience is too subjective to bank on. DEFINITELY go test ride both before buying either to see for yourself, and remember that things like stock seats & pipes are RARELY what you end up with, unless you live in Commiefornia.
That Indian exhaust looks like someone born with two right arms
Been riding for 30 plus years. Test rode both of these and also the Indian 101 sport chief. I’ve had many different motorcycles and have a few I keep. The low rider S is hands down the most fun and better motorcycle. Like you said - they’ve have more time to test and develop the low rider S. The low rider model itself, how long has it been around? Harley Davidson is the king here and although Indian is great at imitation it can’t beat the HD.
You mean 101 sport scout
@@jocoloco1320 probably. It was 101 something. Didn’t leave too much of an impression so I couldn’t exactly remember.
@@Boom-ou1vb The 101 sport scout is a completely different class of motorcycle, a water-cooled "compact" sports cruiser. It is lighter, sportier, and more nimble than the LRS. How could it not leave an impression if you are such an experienced rider as you claim?
@@Shah_creates It is just my opinion on riding both. I prefer the HD. The aftermarket support is hands down a lot better than the Indian and that is what I am interested in. I also don't like the way the Indian looks. Fit and finish are not my favorite. These are just my opinions on which one I choose. The new softail frame is great for handling and with some slight upgrades that are readily available it can be even better.
@@Boom-ou1vb That's fair. I love the LRS but when I rode it, it was HEAVY. But it moved like a light bike. Havent ridden the 101 Scout yet but it looks promising on paper.
I never understood the new Chief line up, it feels low effort as if the bean counters had more input than the engineers. I do like their instrumentation but that does not make up for the rest of it. I remember when they first came out and many were a bit annoyed at the shock setup and it seemed a real step down from the Chieftain line. When it comes to the next size down, the Scout line up is just amazing as compared to Nightster and Sportster models
What you are saying makes no sence the dealers can't keep those bikes on the show room and barely to none in the use market. Those bike are well made and super simple to maintiain, they run super strong the Video is total BS from Harley guys putting down their main competitor!
I can't belive has more ho and torque while weighing virtually the same too! And the same price wow! Choices, choices, choices...
The Harley hands-down is the better motorcycle. And cooler looking 🍻
@@Wes.jumpss nobody agrees with you. 😂
I agree with him💁🏻♂️@@mrdude3540
Interesting...I rode both and the SC felt more powerful despite the numbers and the handling wasn't close for me. I bought a '23 SC and with exhaust, intake, and tune it rips. Both cool bikes, but my impressions when riding both were much different.
Those Indian dyno numbers really surprised me. And helped make me feel more justified on my Harley purchase even though when I test drove the Indian in sport mode I thought it was faster because the throttle response in sport is crazy.😅 I like both bikes though. The Indians super nice And the triumph. It was hard for me to choose a bike, Harley was just so aggressive and desperate to sell one when I bought I went with them. It’s also the old school feel of the Harley that made me choose it. I actually didn’t like how easy the clutch pull is on the Indian or the triumph. Or the other controls for that matter.
On the Indian, you had it in the wrong mode...put it in normal, not sport, if you want smooth
You can add cruise control to any Harley softail for about 350$ if you can install it yourself. It’s totally worth the work
Pretty sure the dealer has the flash the ecu
@Rockybalboa541 Yes they have to flash it after you put it on that's part of the 350$ I'm talking about unless you have a tuner some of them allow you to activate it yourself and save more money. Best money I have ever invested in a motorcycle
I've been a harley guy ever since i started riding but that sport chief is nice.
Great edit, apart from I wanted to hear the bikes and there was either talking or music most of the time.
When I heard the comments on the HP and the performance of the Brembo brakes, I thought, "I must have been spoofed, the account must be Cycle Werld". But I checked and it is Cycle World. What a pathetic star of affairs.
I have a 2023 Chief Dark Horse and Love it, especially the round TFT display and Sport Mode, but the stock exhaust note sucks.
That Indian is on some sloth style, especially the heinous fairing. I've also not seen any on the road at all but then again all I ever see is baggers, HD or Indian. Harley cats where I'm at don't even buy the LRS much less than that a splurtchurf. Fuck a 1/4 mile time, 29° of lean? All that suspension and no height to use it, not that most would even push hard in the turns. Either way, atleast both companies are trying. With a handful of changes both scoots can be shredders.
Finally! I've been waiting for this comparison for so lang now..
I have the LRS ... Change the exhaust and put forwards control's and it makes the LRS a completely different bike a million times better, lol
People hate forward controls. Except boomers.
Would rather have the low rider st version personally. Either way my 2011 dyna street bob has the 110 tire shredder on it making 106hp/122tq so there's ZERO reason for me to part with it for one of these two bikes.
Keep your dyna. Nothing wrong with them. If it breaks, REBUILD
I really wish Indian would stop trying to make a copy to each model Harley makes and just do their own thing.
Customers want a "non-Elton John" option
Hahah that is like saying Indian should make cars and nothing on two wheels , maybe Harley Davidson should stop worrying about making pride glides and woke cycles
I’ve had both Indian by far
@@deangelisstudio1 no not what I am saying. Look at Victory. They had their own style. It wasn’t carbon copies. I can look at an Indian and pick out the exact bike style they try copying. Go back into your own history and evolve something original. I think that would be way cooler.
@@AlexUllerifollowing the popular style of the time is what they are doing Victory made "chopper" styled bikes something Harley attempted and failed breakout etc. That was the trend 10-20yrs ago. Now it's club and baggers, just because Harley just kept making the same bikes with no updates other than ci doesn't mean everyone is copying them. If you put a victory next to a Indian the styling cues flow over. Do the fairings look similar of course there are only so many ways to keep them aerodynamic etc. Both companies have some learning, refining and the competition only makes it better for us as customers.
@AlexUlleri The only similarities of the two brands is they have two wheels, You can not change the dynamic of a motorcycle, Just like cars planes and trucks they always will have the same shit!
your all videos are really impressive & interesting
👌👍💪
Why it took you so long?
It would be fun to add the new BMW R12 Cruiser.
I’m a Harley guy, but looks wise, I think Indian Sports Chief is a better.
No way.
LRS is the way to go....
That 1/16 faring on the Harley is hilarious 😂😂😂
The Indian hands-down is the better motorcycle & cooler looking 🍻
No.
@@mr.b3168Yes
@@mrdude3540 nah.
@@mr.b3168 yah
Nope.
Surprised that Polaris put out a sport chief that's slower than comparable Harley. Mind blown
HD has More power, more torque, lighter, better breaking, better drag times, better lean angle, better dealer network, better accessory list: No brainer.
test rode both of them and ended up with the lowrider s. At 6'2 225lbs and the ergonomics on the sport chief had me leaning forward a lot in an unnatural way.
Are you keeping the bike stock? Cause you can get taller risers and different bars
That slight lean forward is what makes the Indian better for carving twisty roads
@@3dee106 yes im comfortable with the stock bike but if I ever needed to raise the bars there's a ton of aftermarket support
@@NicePantsLance I could see that. The lowrider s is pretty good on twisty roads. I think bc of my size, the leaning forward on the indian is just uncomfortable for me
Go indian.
5:41 i dont mind wearing something that bulky if its cheap....would a life jacket give the same protection???? LOL
Crazy the Indian is closer to an FXR than the HD is 😅
What the Buell Super Cruiser?
Super Cruiser is not in production yet.
That Indian looks like it has a long reach to the bars. You look uncomfortable stretching to the bars.
Maybe learn how to lean if you're going to review how the bike handles in the twistes
I mean given the difference in price between the two... How is this even a comparison?
I mean I get it they look so similar and everything and yes you make some great points but $19,999 vs $33,250
Again I get why their being compared but it didnt feel like you ACTUALLY looked at the full story here.
Do harley deserve credit for the bike damn right they do.. But the Indian being that close at such a smaller price.... Its not even a small difference
That Dyno numbers aren't making sense for Indian sport chief, both power plant are similar in HP . You can tell this guys are Harley FanBoys😊
Huh? Numbers don't lie.
The Harley has stage 1 as stock. You let that 116 breathe and you’ll see higher torque figures on the 116
@@Rambiker2023chief soooo indian should make it stock from the get go then.
@@mr.b3168 epa restrictions. Harley gets around that with their “aftermarket” screaming eagle accessories. So you’re not comparing apples to apples here. The 116 has more potential than that
HP is torque multiplied by revs. You can have low torque and stupid high horses
I see HD is paying the so called journalists again. You guys are full of it with these numbers. No way Indian is that much lower than Lowrider. Vibrations on Indian are bad and Harleys are adding character. Lol what a joke.
LRS has a sage 1 kit, chief is stock
@@brocklndrsthe LRS looks completely stock. Definitely the standard air filter and exhaust.
Kind of like what Dodge and Chrysler do in MotorTrend. Truck of the Year BS. 👍
Good to see you're sporting the Air-Bag Vests. 👍
as far as the Bikes, The Polaris wins on Tech, but it's a Slug power wise.
The H-D 117 is classic, but H-D at the moment is Limp-wristed and WOKE...So I'll pass on Both
So you just follow TikTok trends? Haha lame. better get rid of everything you own if you’re gonna cry over corporate policy.
@@Boom-ou1vb
I don’t have TikTok on my phone that’s China crap , an Indian died years ago. Indian is a Bought , name by Polaris and as long as they employ American worker’s I’m good with with them no matter what they’re called.
For it's Indian Scout bobber the one and only that I would have ❤❤.
Great video
The Scout 101 would blow both of those bikes out of the water.
Lol no
the only thing I like on the Indian are the brembo's
Harley uses brembo aswell
It would have been good to have the new Buell in this comparison too.
There's no new Buell. It isn't out yet.
The Buell is more comparable to the Ducati XDiavel, Rocket 3, and Vmax. Its a high revving high horsepower compact cruiser
Performance wise the new Buell seems to be more like a VMax or Diavel but visually I’d put it with these bikes. Probably similar customers too.
Waiting on the super cruiser
26k is pretty steep
I love when people say west coast club style look. It was never ment to be a look. It's the result of making the bike handle better. Better lean angle and rider position little bit of wind protection. That's the point of taller suspension, moto style bar and fairing.
16:30 plastic pieces? Wtf are you smoking? That's painted metal parts..
Low rider is better just because the liquid cooling system, trust me thunderstroke is a real boiler
Huh? I thought these bikes were air-cooled.
Man. I just test rode the Indian Chief Bobber Dark Horse. Sport mode was... not... useable. The delay in the throttle response was too much, and when it finally kicked in, it wanted to yank my arms off. Not smooth at all unless you're at speed. It's only too bad the Indians look sooo much nicer than the Harleys. I'll stick to my base model Indian Chief with the 111 engine. Very useable and more fun to use than the comparable Harleys.
But yeah, clear winner here is the Low Rider S, if that wasn't obvious. Too bad it looks so meh and feels so cramped. Great color options, though, though not as good as Indians'. It's also too bad the Harley culture is way more toxic and annoying, plus the Harley company is shady and disgusts me.
Indian is light years beyond Harley specially in visual appeal.
Harley just can’t compare to Indian anymore.
Four minutes in and I just can't... These guys might have moto-journalism skills (maybe, I don't know,) but their delivery is robotic and riddled with cliche. Every other word comes out like a fax machine- maybe they need to practice or do something to get more comfortable? But it's not there yet.
There is nothing club style about either of them. These scream cafe racer style.
stock dyno for sport chief 73 hp was it ?? My god thats low. If HD pulled that we would never hear the end of it along with the DEI 😂
The 116ci is pretty dated, where as Harley just made a new engine. Im sure Indian will come out with an improved version soon. They always have to compete with HD
Yeah it did 73hp and like 104trq 😅😂 my 1999 dyna built of course has 111hp and 129lb torque
@@NicePantsLanceThe M8 117 came out in 2018. And even in the Low Rider S it came out in 2021.
so not sport chief but benchwarmer chief
Until HD fires the CEO and half the board, we won't hear the end of what they're doing.
I've never seen both bikes loose a comparo before.
FXLRS GANG TIL THE DAY I DIE!!!!!
Harley is more sleek. Indian looks too bulky. Altho, the indians sound better. Even with both having after market exhausts
Lovely
A 116 with 70 horse power and over 600 lbs is trash. An uninspiring paper weight. You don’t. We’d dual Brembos if you’re not going anywhere any time soon.
Sport chief is so deregulated. It needs a stage 1.
Excellent commercial for Harley Davidson! I hope they paid you well! 👍 not biased in the slightest!!
For sure 😂 These guys are a joke.
It's biased because the Harley is just a way better motorcycle in almost every objective metric. More power, less weight, better brakes and suspension, more lean angle, better aftermarket support and dealer network. Looks way better too.
@@Schlebergertypical biased response 😂 the Low Rider S is 680lbs wet, and the Sport Chief is 685lbs wet. 5lbs is literally indistinguishable. So the Low Rider can lean only 1.8 degrees more than the Chief, but the Chief has more ground clearance than the Low Rider. Once again, indistinguishable unless you scrape peg with every turn. The Low Rider has 300mm brakes in the front and 292mm in the rear, and the Chief has 320mm in the front and 300mm in the rear 😂 so yeah, Indian has the better brakes. The Low Rider has single cartridge forks in the front, and a monoshock in the rear. The Chief has KYB adjustables up front, and DUAL Fox adjustables in the rear. Indian has far better suspension. Also, if you compare Cycleworld dyno tests, the Harley 117 only makes more power and torque above 4300rpm. The Indian 116 makes pretty much the same power and torque up until that point 😂
Only difference really is that when you buy the new Harley, you run a high chance of needing your engine replaced before you hit 10k miles 😂
The Indian wins on looks, for starters.
Hardly Davidson went woke. That’s where the conversation ends.
Harley DEIvidson kept upping that M8 until they had 1 cc more displacement and that magically givew it +20 hp over the Indian.
4 valve heads also
Indian wins in aesthetics. Love the thunder stroke sound and style hope they can improve performance
Can we all agree the Buell Super Cruiser vs these two is what we really want to see?
Not at the price point of what the buell is set at
I find the Indian better looking
So you mean to tell me that my sister's 95 Magna makes only 6 less hp but weighs 150 lbs less than the big bad Low Rider S!?! Honda FTW lol
I'll keep saving for a Buell Super Cruiser
The buell better then both of them
Wheres the buell?
It’s who makes the *better* cruiser. (Copy editor on vacation?)
Indian has less maintenance and built like a tank…
Not 5 7
h-d lighter faster at straights ,have more lean clearance it dosent necessery mean it be faster in corner cos resultsnt cog tore size and profile hiton this aswelll and from your talking it looks like indian can be slightly fadter actuallly in corner when ypu say its only 9 pound heavier but feel like ypu mist put much more effort to force him to change direction it mean it proabbaly have higher cog in results acumulate more corner speed 👌🏻its not me class bike but if im must choice than 🤔 whatever-for me draw 👍🏻☕️
FXLRS > sport chief