@@omarsimpson8414 Clearly Spurgeon was not speaking of race, but rather divisive ideas which usurp the authority of Christ in favor of superficial "unity". This is the behavior of CRT apologists. I believe James understood the quote in the same manner.
John Piper is absolutely right that we shouldn't make assumptions about what people believe based on the questions they ask. That is an extremely judgmental attitude, something that Christians should keep well away from.
@@Ancient_Path First, we ARE told not to judge in Scripture. In Matt 7:1 Jesus says: 'Do not judge, so that you won't be judged.' There is a wrong kind of judging that Jesus refers to in this verse, and it is this kind of judging that I was referring to in my original comment. Second, of course we should judge in the sense of being discerning, but that wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to the wrong kind of judging that often happens when someone makes guesses about what people believe based on questions they ask. Christians mustn't do that.
If we dont ask questions how do we learn and grow. After all we are told to by God in the scriptures, we are also called to be discerning Christians, which means questioning.
@@lee-annebarrett366 Yes, of course we should question. I didn't say we shouldn't. My point was that we shouldn't make confident assumptions about what people believe based on the questions they ask.
@@maxaplin4204 -- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is). Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory? What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? How did you do?
Judging from the comments, I’d say that straying from Jesus and into pop-academia has caused some discord among brethren. Christianity and Marxism don’t mix.
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Marx was a hungry soul turned down by the church. He believed what he read about Jesus, yet he found no support to Jesus teachings from whatever particular leadership he was in contact with. He ended up misslead. We can do better.
Yeah thats why Jesus spoke constantly about hoarding your goods from the poor cuz You have a right to them.... wait a minute *Edit:* And for the record no I'm not a Marxist or anything so drastic but that was a really silly thing to say
-- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is). Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory? What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? How did you do?
Thank Dr Piper for this reasoned approach. I am convinced that Almighty God knows what is in the hearts of each side, and He will judge and bring justice accordingly. A Black Pastor in Memphis made these comments about CRT and those Christians who oppose it. "They have already made their minds up,” said Johnson, who is Black. “They could really care less if I tell them about the tenets of CRT.” Johnson, who is the longtime pastor of a church in Memphis, said he sees no contradictions between the study of critical theory and Christianity, despite claims by critics that CRT conflicts with the Christian gospel. Critical theory looks at the way race operates in society, said Johnson. It doesn’t say anything about salvation or theology or other spiritual concerns. But it can show, he said, the way sin can permeate any system. “It is not an indictment of white people,” Johnson said. “It is not an indictment of individuals or groups of individuals. It is an indictment of the system and it offers a way to repair the system. But they’re not interested in any of that. So don’t waste my time.” I believe Pastor Johnson has nailed it, they have already made up their minds and don't want systemic racism and historical racism in the Church to be examined critically. But God is allowing it be done in spite of their opposition, and this frightens many Evangelicals..
-- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is). Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory? What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? How did you do?
Its disappointing to see Piper misread this discussion. Its not a pejorative. Its a label to define the ideas being discussed. The counter to CRT during that debate had nothing to do with attacking that brother. Someone can be so indoctrinated, so academically persuaded by these ideas they've never heard of because the people they learned them from never called it CRT. Its like someone espousing Nazi ideas, but because they lived under a rock, had never heard of the term Nazi. Renvi (sp?) made this point. People today espouse socialist and communist ideals having never read Marx because his ideas have so saturated the conversation that it takes real intellectual discernment to recognize the ideas for what they are. Piper is off base on this one
He addressed that very argument at 12:11. The idea he's fighting against is that it's okay to throw out hurtful labels on people or dismiss their arguments based on your presumptions about their heart.
@@Ashitaka1110 The vast majority of people aren't attaching labels to someone because they're presuming their heart. They're attaching labels of CRT on people, based on what they've directly said and the idea's they espouse. And yes, if someone is professing anti-biblical and harmful idea's in the church, you should be calling them out for it, eventually going as far as to excommunicate them. Why is that you, nor John can accurately represent what is happening here with this issue?
-- Those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is). Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory? What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Ironically most of the behaviors Piper condemns are practiced by the side he's apparently defending. What a sad take to hear from a man I truly respect, and will continue to respect. I'd urge him, along with all others involved, to watch "Cultural Marxism" by Dr. Voddie Baucham.
@@k1ngfalcongaming783 - for sure! Just as we should not have hatred or contempt for someone because they appear different externally, we should also not assume hatred or contempt toward us lives in those who look different.
Unity is a goal of every Christian. The reality is God, and we are directed to do our part to live in peace and to maintain fellowship - especially among the faithful. We do this with the knowledge that unity and peace will never fully materialize, because the world and the people of the world will reject us, our faith, and even God.
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I enjoyed the open discussion by John Piper, and then I looked at the comments section. Then I realized the Church in America may NEVER know unity anymore. I think they will always be divided by political and racial matters. Everyone is so entrenched in their own corner and viewpoint that they can't seem to see past it. No bearing one another's burdens or suffering with those who suffer, no empathy or compassion, just on attack mode constantly. It is exhausting. Thank you John Piper for your contribution.
This is actually a disagreement over doctrine and Truth, which supersedes our desires for unity. I can have no real fellowship with someone who claims I’m a racist because I’m white. There is no unity to be found in CRT.
Saying that white people are inherently more evil by virtue of their skin color (CRT) causes division and is on par with other forms of racism. Holy Scripture said there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus. We can sorrow in the racism that people experience, but judging a person's guilt and innocence based on the way GOD made them is horribly divisive.
I don't believe anything should supersede a desire for unity. Christ and division don't mix. We are to pursue peace with all men... pursue it. It will not come by easily. This offense we want to hold on to is why the love of God will grow cold in the Church. As far as it depends on you, choose peace, unity, love, joy. There is only ONE doctrine that matters. Love God with everything and love your neighbour, in whatever package they come, as you love yourself. If Christ who is the SON of God gave up His place, His rights, His status, to come and die for mankind, why can we not lay aside our own hurts or feelings? Are we not called to be like Him? I am seriously wondering, where is the love? Absolutely nothing supersedes unity in the body of Christ! We are called to oneness. A house divided cannot stand. The person you easily hate or block or despise, whatever their colour or ethnicity or doctrine, Christ deemed worthy to die for. I say this to myself as well. I have no right to hate anyone Christ loved enough to die for... at least not if I call myself a Christ follower.
I appreciate what you’re saying and I agree we should pursue peace “as much as it depends on us”. But you’re understanding of unity needs to be placed in its proper context. Truth cannot be reconciled with error and righteousness cannot be reconciled with sin. Unity only occurs to the degree that truth is acknowledged. Luke 12:51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
But surely that scripture doesn't speak of a divided Church, especially over race and politics. Divided or separated from the world? Yes. A divided Church? No. Christ also said blessed are peacemakers for they are children of God. My bottom line: Christ is all that matters and we must get rid of anything that divides us. He is a God of love and peace. By this everyone will know we are His disciples when we love one another. There cannot be division spurred on by hate in the Body of Christ... I can't get with that. I believe division is the devil's tactic. As long as we stay busy fighting each other, we will never get around to spreading the good news of Christ. I am saying that as believers, whatever is thrown at us, let the love of Christ be our response. There is nothing more powerful. I say this to you and me both. In this toxic culture, I NEED the reminder. My big takeaway from the episode was to avoid slander at all costs.
Thank you John Piper...instead of slandering one another in the church of JESUS CHRIST...lets talk and listen to one another being led by the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD and the truth will be shown to those who have an ear to hear...I have listened to this vedio (part 1) and part 2 and you have nailed it...lets atack CRT instead of destroying one another in the body of CHRIST...love you all...❣❣❣
Yes! Thank you for these words. The story about the black pastor being labeled a CRT proponent simply because he had experienced and spoken against certain systems that discriminated against him based on the color of his skin said it all. When I read what many Christians believe CRT involves and then how they automatically place those beliefs onto anyone who supports building bridges between the people groups my heart breaks.
@@artscraftsantiquity2185 -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is . I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive? Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?" Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory? What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?" How did you do?
@@artscraftsantiquity2185 -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is . I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive? Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?" Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory? What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?" How did you do?
-- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is . I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive? Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?" Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory? What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?" How did you do?
Does anyone understand any clear message from this? Of course Shenvi disagreed with his debate partner. He didn't have to know what crt was to push it. Piper just adds to the confusion
Thank you, Pastor John, for taking the time to analysis not only what CRT is (by definition) but also how we are called as believers to respond and engage with other believers on this topic. I particularly like how Part 1 came first because I fear that explaining the definition alone may be used to as a mechanism to silence or minimize between believers, seen as "ammunition" for a prepared back and forth debate - when we are called to speak truth, in love.
As a white evangelical, I find the comment section heart breaking. Piper literally said crt is wrong. He just also warned people not to slander and pointed out that wanting to address racism does not mean you believe in crt. (Which is true. Cry is a tiny fringe view in academia. Most ppl who want to address racism neither know what it is nor believe in it.). And so many commenters blew up. I did appreciate the slander warning. I definitely do that in other areas and will need to be keeping an eye out.
-- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is). Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory? What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? How did you do?
-- Those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is). Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory? What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
I commend Ps. Piper for making all this effort to facilitate genuine discussion on this issue. Your faith in the Spirit's work in the brethren is immense. I say this bcus as far as I can see it, both sides have become like the world in that they do not want a discussion. They want to call each other names and form factions. The "Red" / "Blue" divide is now in the church. I would've been silent on the issue and spoken only to the pastors involved were I in his position. There's no reasoning with these people.
@@mildredkingsley-okonkwo7425 you're impersonating someone and using false doctrine to solicit funds. Repent of this. Such things incur the Wrath of God. The only way for you to be saved from God's Wrath is to trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Please trust in Christ's finished work of redemption and repent from this heinous sin.
Rasool's complaint that the church, when faced with ethical concerns, responds with epistemological critique comes because the church's response doesn't acknowledge that the issue is real and offer biblical solutions. Instead, we get arguments. There's a significant difference to the aggrieved party between hearing that Black citizens are experiencing disparate outcomes in interactions with the police because of widespread racism, affirming, empathizing, then offering a Biblical solution, and hearing that same concern and critiquing it for it's ties to critical race theory.
@Samuel E. Fubara Acknowledging that racism exists and acknowledging that racism is causing desperate outcomes is two different things. If you're arguing that racism exist, but "jumping to the conclusion that disparate outcomes are DEFINITELY the result of racism is, at best, naive, or, at worst, intellectually lazy." then we don't agree; you're arguing with me and not acknowledging the problem that I've raised as valid.
@Samuel E. Fubara So when you read a study that concludes that Black male criminals face longer sentences than similarly situated white male offenders "after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors", how do you hold to the belief that racism doesn't cause desperate outcomes? Example: www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf
@Samuel E. Fubara The study controls for the "number of points assigned under Chapter 4 of the sentencing guidelines" (appendix C of study) www.ussc.gov/guidelines/2018-guidelines-manual/2018-chapter-4#:~:text=1.-,%C2%A74A1.,be%20counted%20under%20this%20subsection. That said, it's not the only example worth mentioning, just the most straight forward that I could come up with. You don't want to talk about criminals, ok. We could talk about how housing discrimination has caused desperate outcomes in wealth building opportunities; employment discrimination often faced by individuals with Black names; or increased maternal mortality rates in Black women. The issues are simply more complicated. There's a lot of Christians who aren't economists, statisticians, or sociologists (or whatever type of education is relevant in any given situation) who find problems with these studies. They haven't read the studies. They haven't read the methodology in the appendix. They just listen to guys like Pastor John saying that all critical theory is unbiblical and dismiss scientific evidence out of hand. Hiring discrimination: www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.full THE DEVALUATION OF ASSETS IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018.11_Brookings-Metro_Devaluation-Assets-Black-Neighborhoods_final.pdf Pregnancy-Related Mortality Ratios www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternal-mortality/disparities-pregnancy-related-deaths/infographic.html But, like I said, those issues are more complicated than 1 link answers. Tl;dr - My complaint is that I see the above issues and want to help, but my brothers and sisters in Christ stand in direct opposition to finding solutions by refusing to acknowledge the problems.
All are Shades of brown.. from dark to light.. All are precious in His Sight measure the "angle" of CRT by the spirit behind it if it heals by Reconciliation, listen! If it seeks healing by Retribution? RUN
Wrong place to start JP ("trust me"?). This video mischaracterizes people who have rightly and helpfully recognized the dangers of CRT (while you have been mostly silent). I have loved you for so long, but what an amazing failure to bring clarity and be a help. Also, the link between the response to COVID and CRT is telling - both are addressing a trumped-up problem in a totalitarian and non-Christian way. CRT has nothing to do with racism (individual, not systemic, hatred and bad treatment based only on the color of skin) except possibly to create it.
Can you expound on this, "CRT has nothing to do with racism (individual, not systemic, hatred and bad treatment based only on the color of skin) except possibly to create it."? I think I follow but am not exactly clear.
That which is at the center table of any and all dialogues is a vast number of perspectives (world views). However, we as Christians are unique in that we view God along with His perspectives (His word) as having full and final authority in and over our lives. Beginning first in our minds thoughts (Rom 12:2), and filters it’s way through our hearts and experiences as we mature in relating with God (Heb 15:4) The fruit that results from our relationship with God will hopefully reflect God’s reality as we learn to trust and believe the supremacy of His Providence over all creation, thus, seamlessly making God (in the words of Piper) our greatest treasure (Deut 6:5). Reflecting God’s glory in a world that is both helpless and hopeless is huge in our relating with one another (John 13:34-35).
@@eurekahope5310 I have now listened to the second part of this series and I can't shake the notion that this is actually more about politics than it is about religion or faith. As a Christian I don't get the sense that Critical Race Theory is an issue for the Church in any real way. It's a totally secular concept and I'm curious as to why Pastor John Piper is even discussing this.
@ikasdjfh Speaking up against racism as a Christian does not mean that one is espousing critical race theory. It means that one is living by the precepts of the Bible. The word of God makes it very clear that our God hates injustice and oppression and that we as Christians are to speak out against such things (Prov. 31:8,9). In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free. You are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28). If the church is falling short of God's standard of us all being one in Christ then we have an obligation to speak out about it in love, without anyone being accused of espousing critical race theory. At the end of the day we are going to answer to God for our treatment of others. Straw manning in the name of CRT in order to silence criticisms about racism in church will not work with our Lord Jesus. Shalom.
@@docdeeone2813 - nobody is "strawmanning." In the absence of actual racial bias, discrimination, or mistreatment, many have decided that we are all "asymptomatic carriers" of system(at)ic rAcisM™. Show me actual racism and I'll fight it. But tell me that I hate someone because of their skin color, because of MY skin color and you might not be welcomed into glory like you were expecting.
I don't find people in the church not wanting to address racial disparities, but you will be deemed a racist if you say fatherlessness is the main problem and God's Law is the solution.
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@@marcelniles342 -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is . I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive? Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?" Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory? What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?" How did you do?
..."Oh for Bible people ... Oh for Bible people"...don't give a rip for what anyone says if you cant use scriptures to back up." ...."The lack of precision is the beginning of liberalism (another gospel) -- the old John Piper ... I miss the old John Piper :(
Learning. Listening. Doing the work. When it comes to racial bridge-building for black people, Be the Bridge places a lot of the focus on listening to and learning from people without color. But there’s also some important internal work that black people need to do as well. When black people don’t understand some of the basic tenets of blackness, it’s hard to fully engage in the work of racial reconciliation. For this reason, we have created a resource that breaks down the Four B’s: 1. Black Supremacy 2. Black Fragility 3. Black Identity 4. Black Privilege
Why is this not information black people already know and understand? Black people live very segregated lives, benefitting from NOT knowing and engaging with their racial reality. Black people are most likely to live in racially homogenous communities and least likely to come into contact with people racially different from themselves.
Poor Pastor John has really stumbled on race issues. Somehow it’s bearing false witness and slander to logically trace the foundations of a destructive belief system, but labeling an entire race as guilty of racism because of their color isn’t? He needs to do more study of what’s actually occurring here instead of following the easy path of responding emotionally.
@@demetriusmiddleton1246 Piper whining about the CRT label as if that's the big problem causing division in the Church and not the people espousing CRT that have been labeling people as racists and dividing churches by race for the last decade
Piper is trying to make a pastoral response, which requires a part 1. He has no problem going straight to calling out CRT and its adherents, but the very foundation we use to have discourse is already faulty. That foundation is the deeper relational issue of people refusing discern a true adherent to a false teaching from someone who just trying to think critically. In other words, we live in a time when trying to grapple with racial issues honestly will make you branded as something sinister from well-meaning people, just for raising a question or a concern. Someone can simply say they don't support BLM and be branded a racist. Also, someone can simply say that race is a big issue and be branded as possessed by CRT. That seems to me why he wanted to explore the issues of labeling and slander first, so that when we get his answer in Part 2 on CRT more specifically, we have gained a perspective that allows us to engage people in a more thoughtful and Christlike way, and not like the world.
@@AP-Design that would all be great if any of it were based on premises that were true. I happen to be a person that takes racial issues very seriously, but no one accuses me of espousing CRT because I know that CRT promotes racism under a guise of anti-racism. Well meaning or not, a person unwittingly parroting CRT still needs to be confronted and it's really not helpful to cry about a label of CRT being used if that is the case. on the other hand people who don't support BLM are being labeled a racist, and just like in Pipers last controversial letter, your making a moral equivalency between being labeled a racist and being told you might be parroting CRT views. These are clearly not the same thing nor do they carry the same moral implications
I am curious. Concerning slandering christian brothrs, is it slander when a pastor says, to Donald Trump, “Any real, true believer is going to be on your side in this election.”? And is it slander when I as a christian publicaly (such as here on comments) say that this pastor is wrong for saying such things?
I'm not even 2 minutes in and I can tell you (or the majority of commentors) haven't even really researched what Critical Race Theory is and why it was even created...its sad to see but it is what is...your opinion is not a heaven or hell issue
Critical Race Theory is not just a pejorative term as was said in closing. Pastor John is so right in calling on the Church to be respectful of each other. But it feels as though he doesn't recognize the danger in the idea.
Your point? Critical race theory IS "racist". How is it hypocritical for him to say that and also that people shouldn't call people racist who aren't racist? There's no contradiction there.
@@demetriusmiddleton1246 It’s a rhetorical question. Piper never lectured those who slander others as “racist,” even though it is shouted from the highest mountaintops in the media, academia and allegedly “Christian” twitter blue checkmarks. He only lectures those who point out critical race theory. There lies the hypocrisy.
15:34 - OK "don't slander and accuse people of wrong based on the questions they ask." Check. Q: how did you come to the conclusion that you are bleeding?
See the division in the Church over this movement that champions perfection as an expectation and also providing a large and comfortable category for unBiblical demands to be treated better in a fallen world and harboring unforgiveness and offense toward God? Jesus Christ says, "These things I have spoken to you that in me you might have peace. In the world you will have tribulation: but be of good cheer (not offended); I have overcome the world." John 16.33 Behavior modification as a doctrine relying on the efforts of fallen people is a fail. Pray for one another, and stop doubting the faithfulness, sovereignty, and genius of God almighty.
With all due respect Pastor John, is it really slander to call an Arian an Arian or a Gnostic a Gnostic, even if the holder of the views espoused is unaware of where they originate? Is it not also possibly slanderous, then, to accuse those believers who accurately use the term "Critical Race Theory" in calling out un-biblical ideas as being slanderous for using the term? Would you accuse St. Athenasius of slander for calling out Arianism or St. Iraneus for calling out the Gnostics? I'm sorry, but I believe that suggesting that the labeling of CRT is slanderous because it makes assumptions about the motives of the speaker. If Pastor Berry is bothered that he has been labeled a critical race theorist, why is he upset by the label, rather than addressing the heretical nature of the ideas that draw the label? No one is saying that the issues of race are unimportant, but, perhaps, just maybe, espousing ideas that are themselves racist will not solve or address the racial issues at hand. Oh, and don't call it CRT? Should I not call Gnosticism Gnosticism? Should I not call Arianism Arianism or Palagianism Palagianism? If you are espousing heretical ideas, should I not tell you that you are espousing those ideas and where they come from? I should come to you privately where possible, but also, if you freely espouse heresy in public, you leave yourself open to a public rebuke, do you not? Did not Paul publically rebuke Cephas (Peter) for his public failure for not walking in step with the truth of the Gospel? 'But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”' - Galatians 2:14 I'm sorry brother, but no.
Thank you Ps John, for beginning this topic with a call against some unhelpful and divisive attitudes and behavior by many of us when trying to deal with it. Look forward to part 2 when you get into dissecting this theory and comparing it to the bible. There are too many right now who are using it as justification for all kinds of behavior and ideas that are wholly foreign to the word of God.
unhelpful divisive behaviors like introducing Marxist nonsense into church communities and spreading racism and shame and then attacking anyone who tries to defend the Church against worldly philosophies?
@@joshs.7612 He may have been late to the game. He may also not have been on top of the stuff happening as he probably should have. All these just affirm the fact that he is human. Honestly I have no idea what is God's role for him in all this. If there's any failing on his part, that is something he will account for before the Great White Throne. What he calls for in this video is for Christians trying to grapple with this issue to avoid some unhelpful attitudes and behavior. Christians across the spectrum on this issue. Imho that is a valid call.
@@bretlynn You have laid out some of the egregious behavior happening all across the body of believers. I agree this is happening. My question to you is: As Christians how should we handle this? How should we fight this? Imho, this fight has got to proceed from a good foundation in the bible, and has to occur on multiple fronts. As I wrote earlier, I don't know God's role for Piper in all this, but if he is trying to bring the word of God to bear on this so-called theory and its various applications by individuals and groups across Christendom, that is something in the right direction. Personally I will be looking at how it goes in Piper's attempt to do this in his next video to judge whether he is still credible as a biblical teacher. Want to put it out here, that I am already watching/reading Voddie Baucham, James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, and some others who, from various perspectives, are making the good case against CRT and the tactics of those pushing it in our churches.
@@isogashiin to answer your question as to how we handle and fight this. We have to stop capitulating and conceding points to weak men. We have to stop accepting premises and start calling out the phony disingenuous rhetoric that Big Eva pastors push. Like every single time. We are only responding to cancerous worldly philosophies, it's not like we wake up in the morning thinking "how can I cause division and spread disharmony in the church today? " no, these people are the ones who wake up every day thinking that there's something they can fix about the Church, and they're the ones being argumentative, grumbling complainers, and sowing divisions among the brethren
Source: Wikipedia According to the UCLA School of Public Affairs:[9] CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color. Legal scholar Roy L. Brooks has defined CRT as "a collection of critical stances against the existing legal order from a race-based point of view", adding that:[10] [I]t focuses on the various ways in which the received tradition in law adversely affects people of color not as individuals but as a group. Thus, CRT attempts to analyze law and legal traditions through the history, contemporary experiences, and racial sensibilities of racial minorities in this country. The question always lurking in the background of CRT is this: What would the legal landscape look like today if people of color were the decision-makers? So let's break this down. Has racism made its way through the fabric of society? Absolutely. First point, check. Are there laws that give certain people of color less rights than whites? No. But the application of the law through adjudicators have shown to punish people of color more harshly than whites. But they'll never admit that. I saw a pretty racist post on Facebook and looked at the guy's profile. His tag line showed the perfect response to anyone who is pro-White America and anti-POC. "Admit to nothing. Deny everything. Counter accuse when you can." How does this attitude fit the Bible? It doesn't.
Nice post, but how does it square with the Bible and with your faith? There was racism "engrained in the fabric and system" on display in nearly every book and chapter of the Bible. How did the Bible teach Christians to respond?
@@braedenh6858 Disagree with racism being engrained in the fabric of the system in every chapter of the Bible. I don't know what you're reading. Also, the Bible is full of all bad people, one Good God and one Good Man (Jesus) and the bad people killed him. I wouldn't model behavior after anyone but Jesus. How did God want us to respond? 1. Love God with all our heart, soul, and might. 2. Love your neighbors as yourself. Also, Leviticus 19:34 - You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. Revelation 7:9 - After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
@@4dwyn Examples of 'engrained' racism abound in the Old and New Testaments. The Israelites were slaves in Egypt, of course. They were also oppressed and discriminated against by Nebuchadnezzar and Darius in Babylon. Because they were a different people. The Israelites themselves oppressed and discriminated against the Philistines and Canaanites and the other tribes sharing their lands in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament they did the same with the Samaritans, Gentiles, and other surrounding peoples who were not like them. Also, there is the Roman Empire, which had its own means of oppression and racism. Is it possible to look at the Bible with an eye attuned to seeing race and racism and miss so many obvious examples?
@@4dwyn You did provide several examples in the Bible that racism is incompatible with obedience to God, in the OT, and Christ, in the NT. Nonetheless, in culture and in politics, institutional racism existed then, if we apply the current definitions of the CRT philosophy to it.
What is a church and what is a Christian in the first place? Christian is a pejorative term also and it takes many forms so all the words that you speak do not have any understanding or consideration for the subject matter as far as I'm concerned!
I expected better from John. This was a terrible analysis and misrepresentation of what is actually going on. It was a strawman to pretend that people are being met with charges of CRT because they're merely asking questions. Pastor Barry wasn't just asking questions, he is asserting the tenants and worldview of CRT. This provided great cover for further deception in the church, treating CRT as a valuable strategy that can be used. CRT labels aren't pejorative if they're justified.
@@LarryBradley -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is . I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive? Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?" Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory? What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?" How did you do?
@@LarryBradley -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is . I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive? Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?" Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory? What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?" How did you do?
@@derrickbell24 How did I do? Sorry, laughing too hard to take your "test." I have no idea what, if any, use or purpose there is for your "test" other than to prove that you have done a lot of thinking and/or studying about CRT and consider yourself an expert in the subject, not to be challenged by those like me who simply look at the content of a CRT course syllabus and conclude that it is a racist, radical, marxist pile of . . . well, you know.
These things that you are saying are very selective. And unrealistic. The very nature of Christianity in this country is there black churches and white churches separated by racism in the first place!
The two warnings being addressed by the two points at the end happen so often. Especially the first point. We so often size people up based on the questions they ask, and get hostile and dismissive whenever a biblical critique is attempted on CRT subjects. Let's "give each other room", as Piper said, to think critically and comprehensively about these things.
Seems to me the researcher is saying follow the guidebook on this disease that has been around and diagnosed since time began, and the doctor is prescribing leeches.
Well, John, people are often offended when they are called out and made conscious of how they’re wrong. It’s up to those of us who know about the roots of CRT and it’s agenda that have to teach people like you - and the offended activists you mention - that there is terminology to help us all understand and discern it’s evils. CRT is the racist, divisive ideology here, not the “pejorative” label of Critical Race Theory. Please do some more homework, John, with a special focus on Marxism and communism. Also, how is pointing out that someone is looking at life through a Marxist lens “slander”?? Aren’t we called to tell our brothers and sisters the truth, in love? I highly doubt that saved Christians are running around, yelling and pointing at people using CRT saying “Critical Race Theorist! Critical Race Theorist! You’re evil!!”, which is how you make it sound. After years of listening to you, John, it’s starting to seem like you’re either knowingly or unknowingly working for the enemy. Very sad and disappointing.
Neil Shenvi has literally made up a boogeyman straw man with his definition of CRT. this is a bad take if Shenvi is Pipers basis. I suggest Piper read Bradley Mason on the subject, cites his sources. Shenvi cites himself.
@Samuel E. Fubara "Dr. Shenvi’s account of the core tenets of critical race theory do not represent the core tenets of my work in any way. They create a polemic which I do not recognize. Shenvi sets up critical race theory as a rigid straw man to knock it down. To do serious work on privilege requires careful observation and nuanced thinking. None of what Shenvi claims are core tenets are valid to me, and I do not think any of them are accurate as a description of critical race theory in general; it is a scholarly, serious undertaking, not an ideology." - Peggy McIntosh alsoacarpenter.com/2019/10/07/a-critical-caricature-dr-mcintosh-responds-to-dr-shenvis-characterization-of-critical-theories/
I understand that using “CRT” as a pejorative is unhelpful and wrong, but please recognize that CRT itself uses all sorts of pejorative language itself to denounce anyone that disagrees with it. If you disagree with it, you are racist. However I appreciate what you’re doing here. To me it is an “open handed” issue like Calvinism-vs-Arminianism. Just have to agree to disagree is the solution.
@Desiring God - at 14:45 John Piper says, "If I pose the question why there MAY be racial disparities in Health Care or Education or anything else....", I think you're being rather generous in assuming that people are including that all important "MAY" in that question. Most of what I hear and see is a similar question with the "MAY" excluded, which proves that the question itself is founded on an assumption that racial disparity DOES in fact exist in Health Care, Education or anything else. I have yet to see enough compelling evidence that this would be the case, and someone who assumes this is the case must assume this under the unbiblical, "everyone is racist until proven innocent (possibly)", worldview of CRT. That's why I don't think it's slander to label someone's worldview as CRT based, when their questions are obviously founded on these assumptions. Through their questions, they prove their own guilt.
@@annlowry9841 just because you or someone you know has seen people act in a seemingly racist way doesn't mean that those institutions are inherently racist or based on racism, nor does it prove that there is an intentional oligarchical conspiracy of racism in those institutions. It simply means that some people are racist, which is a painful evidence of individual sin.
I didn't hear about CRT until this year. I think it's completely reasonable that a pastor who is busy teaching God's Word and serving people isn't ahead of the public narrative on current philosophical issues.
@@bretlynn I have not listened to the pastor he is referring to, so I couldn't verify whether or not he is a defender of CRT. I got the impression from Piper that it was more of a discussion of the way we as Christians talk about racial justice and CRT. I would hesitate to make blanket statements about anyone I disagree with since all that does is inhibit loving dialogue.
@@amyclutter7259 making blanket statements like accusing people of being subconsciously racist because they were born white? how about Piper start his thoughts on that divisive little nugget before jumping into the fray late in the game?
There is a TH-cam channel called "Founders Ministries" that has a couple of videos that you may find helpful for understanding CRT. The first is called "Cultural Marxism" by Voddie Baucham and the second is a documentary called "By What Standard" that dives into the issue more in depth.
@ikasdjfh i might be wrong but the way I understand it, it's a way of looking at and criticizing institutions, not examining people's worth. That's why I don't get the conflict.
Anybody on here trying to say that Piper is getting this wrong might need to concider the possibility that they have it wrong or do not understand, first. Lol but seriously. This is a very very intelligent, gracious, and loving man that has more widom in his pinky finger than we will ever have, period.
SOLA SCRIPTURA! I saw you confess your racist past John. God has forgiven you. Now get on with your KINGDOM work and leave this PSEUDO-SCIENCE to the secular academics please.
There was no wisdom in what this man said. Yes of course we don’t want to mislabel anyone but I don’t think that happens as often to warrant this warning. The issues are clear cut. We denounce CRT but do so truthfully. This was an obvious thing. Not a very informative podcast.
-- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is . I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling? What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma? What was “The Alternative Course?” Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement? Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant? Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb? What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory? Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive? Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?" Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory? What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?" How did you do?
@@derrickbell24 nice try. Many of the questions you ask can be answered from several perspectives. It’s not a matter of answering questions that you could easily google to find the answers to. CRT has a very very essential core belief to it and it doesn’t matter if other members of the Left disagree with one aspect to it. Your little 20 question stunt doesn’t in any way shape defeat a person’s critique of it. Im familiar with CRT’s lineage to CLT at HLS. Im familiar with the writings of Delgado. Certain Marxists do reject it because it detracts from the view that it’s class struggle not racial that’s the problem. Same approach but from a different angle. Also what an absurd and silly thing to ask concerning the nazis and hitler. What’s your point? The fact that they could have possibly disagreed means what? That CRT is a good thing? The nazis also hated Bolshevism. Look no one is impressed with your little question pop quiz except for you. CRT is at its core a very irrational approach to race in society. It must be rejected.
@@frederickdouglass383 to support the claim it’s irrational to the core? Absolutely. Just take a look at the curriculum of the schools that have implemented it where they ask non POc to discuss their supposed privilege or ways their “whiteness” keeps them from understanding blacks. The subtext. They’re whiteness has a built in racism they are unaware of. You can google it. I’m not doing your homework for you.
@@JR-be5iy "to support the claim it’s irrational to the core?" What claim? "Just take a look at the curriculum of the schools" Do you have links? "that have implemented it" Implemented what? "they ask non POC to discuss their supposed privilege" Who is they? What is the supposed privilege, exactly? "or ways their 'whiteness' keeps them from understanding blacks." What ways, exactly? "Whiteness has a built in racism." I hold that whiteness and white racialized identity refer to the way that white people, their customs, culture, and beliefs operate as the standard by which all other groups of are compared. Whiteness is also at the core of understanding race in America. Whiteness and the normalization of white racial identity throughout America's history have created a culture where nonwhite persons are seen as inferior or abnormal. Thanks.
“To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus.” - Spurgeon
do you think spurgeon was talking about race?
@@omarsimpson8414 Clearly Spurgeon was not speaking of race, but rather divisive ideas which usurp the authority of Christ in favor of superficial "unity". This is the behavior of CRT apologists. I believe James understood the quote in the same manner.
That’s right. Let’s never be united with those we disagree with
@@user-mi5xq8zj7u Disagreeing is different from coercion. CRT demands actions grounded in wrong metaphysics.
@@bradspitt3896 Doubt it
John Piper is absolutely right that we shouldn't make assumptions about what people believe based on the questions they ask. That is an extremely judgmental attitude, something that Christians should keep well away from.
That is incorrect. Christians should be very discerning and we are not told to not judge in scripture, rather how to judge.
@@Ancient_Path First, we ARE told not to judge in Scripture. In Matt 7:1 Jesus says:
'Do not judge, so that you won't be judged.'
There is a wrong kind of judging that Jesus refers to in this verse, and it is this kind of judging that I was referring to in my original comment.
Second, of course we should judge in the sense of being discerning, but that wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to the wrong kind of judging that often happens when someone makes guesses about what people believe based on questions they ask. Christians mustn't do that.
If we dont ask questions how do we learn and grow. After all we are told to by God in the scriptures, we are also called to be discerning Christians, which means questioning.
@@lee-annebarrett366 Yes, of course we should question. I didn't say we shouldn't.
My point was that we shouldn't make confident assumptions about what people believe based on the questions they ask.
@@maxaplin4204 -- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is.
The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is).
Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory?
What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
How did you do?
Judging from the comments, I’d say that straying from Jesus and into pop-academia has caused some discord among brethren. Christianity and Marxism don’t mix.
If you want to know what it means to have a relationship with Christ, check out our TH-cam teaching called: “Walking in the Spirit and Truth”. It looks at the two way nature of our relationship with Christ.
Marx was a hungry soul turned down by the church.
He believed what he read about Jesus, yet he found no support to Jesus teachings from whatever particular leadership he was in contact with.
He ended up misslead.
We can do better.
The fact that you think CRT has anything to do with Marxism shows how deep your misunderstanding
Yeah thats why Jesus spoke constantly about hoarding your goods from the poor cuz You have a right to them.... wait a minute
*Edit:* And for the record no I'm not a Marxist or anything so drastic but that was a really silly thing to say
-- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is.
The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is).
Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory?
What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
How did you do?
Is it a pejorative to call someone a racist or a white supremacist on the basis of systemic racism?
Thank Dr Piper for this reasoned approach. I am convinced that Almighty God knows what is in the hearts of each side, and He will judge and bring justice accordingly. A Black Pastor in Memphis made these comments about CRT and those Christians who oppose it. "They have already made their minds up,” said Johnson, who is Black. “They could really care less if I tell them about the tenets of CRT.” Johnson, who is the longtime pastor of a church in Memphis, said he sees no contradictions between the study of critical theory and Christianity, despite claims by critics that CRT conflicts with the Christian gospel.
Critical theory looks at the way race operates in society, said Johnson. It doesn’t say anything about salvation or theology or other spiritual concerns. But it can show, he said, the way sin can permeate any system.
“It is not an indictment of white people,” Johnson said. “It is not an indictment of individuals or groups of individuals. It is an indictment of the system and it offers a way to repair the system. But they’re not interested in any of that. So don’t waste my time.” I believe Pastor Johnson has nailed it, they have already made up their minds and don't want systemic racism and historical racism in the Church to be examined critically. But God is allowing it be done in spite of their opposition, and this frightens many Evangelicals..
-- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is.
The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is).
Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory?
What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
How did you do?
Its disappointing to see Piper misread this discussion. Its not a pejorative. Its a label to define the ideas being discussed. The counter to CRT during that debate had nothing to do with attacking that brother. Someone can be so indoctrinated, so academically persuaded by these ideas they've never heard of because the people they learned them from never called it CRT. Its like someone espousing Nazi ideas, but because they lived under a rock, had never heard of the term Nazi. Renvi (sp?) made this point. People today espouse socialist and communist ideals having never read Marx because his ideas have so saturated the conversation that it takes real intellectual discernment to recognize the ideas for what they are. Piper is off base on this one
Thank you! It's good to see people who don't blindly follow celebrity pastors.
@@mildredkingsley-okonkwo7425 I didn't know God gave you special revelation. Are you rejecting sufficiency of scripture?
He addressed that very argument at 12:11. The idea he's fighting against is that it's okay to throw out hurtful labels on people or dismiss their arguments based on your presumptions about their heart.
@@Ashitaka1110 The vast majority of people aren't attaching labels to someone because they're presuming their heart. They're attaching labels of CRT on people, based on what they've directly said and the idea's they espouse.
And yes, if someone is professing anti-biblical and harmful idea's in the church, you should be calling them out for it, eventually going as far as to excommunicate them.
Why is that you, nor John can accurately represent what is happening here with this issue?
-- Those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is).
Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory?
What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Ironically most of the behaviors Piper condemns are practiced by the side he's apparently defending. What a sad take to hear from a man I truly respect, and will continue to respect. I'd urge him, along with all others involved, to watch "Cultural Marxism" by Dr. Voddie Baucham.
Which "side" is he defending?
Piper is not defending one side or the other...in part 2 he says that CRT is not compatible with the bible and not to be followed...
Piper seems to be rather off on most of these racial issues posts. Like others have said here, he seems to promote unity over reality.
Union in the body of Christ between all different races should be a reality.
@@k1ngfalcongaming783 - for sure! Just as we should not have hatred or contempt for someone because they appear different externally, we should also not assume hatred or contempt toward us lives in those who look different.
Unity is a goal of every Christian. The reality is God, and we are directed to do our part to live in peace and to maintain fellowship - especially among the faithful.
We do this with the knowledge that unity and peace will never fully materialize, because the world and the people of the world will reject us, our faith, and even God.
If you want to know what it means to have a relationship with Christ, check out our TH-cam teaching called: “Walking in the Spirit and Truth”. It looks at the two way nature of our relationship with Christ.
Relativism is being conflated with unity. You can't have unity with evil. The sword cuts, it divides.
I enjoyed the open discussion by John Piper, and then I looked at the comments section. Then I realized the Church in America may NEVER know unity anymore. I think they will always be divided by political and racial matters. Everyone is so entrenched in their own corner and viewpoint that they can't seem to see past it. No bearing one another's burdens or suffering with those who suffer, no empathy or compassion, just on attack mode constantly. It is exhausting.
Thank you John Piper for your contribution.
This is actually a disagreement over doctrine and Truth, which supersedes our desires for unity. I can have no real fellowship with someone who claims I’m a racist because I’m white. There is no unity to be found in CRT.
Saying that white people are inherently more evil by virtue of their skin color (CRT) causes division and is on par with other forms of racism. Holy Scripture said there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus. We can sorrow in the racism that people experience, but judging a person's guilt and innocence based on the way GOD made them is horribly divisive.
I don't believe anything should supersede a desire for unity. Christ and division don't mix. We are to pursue peace with all men... pursue it. It will not come by easily. This offense we want to hold on to is why the love of God will grow cold in the Church. As far as it depends on you, choose peace, unity, love, joy. There is only ONE doctrine that matters. Love God with everything and love your neighbour, in whatever package they come, as you love yourself. If Christ who is the SON of God gave up His place, His rights, His status, to come and die for mankind, why can we not lay aside our own hurts or feelings? Are we not called to be like Him? I am seriously wondering, where is the love? Absolutely nothing supersedes unity in the body of Christ! We are called to oneness. A house divided cannot stand. The person you easily hate or block or despise, whatever their colour or ethnicity or doctrine, Christ deemed worthy to die for. I say this to myself as well. I have no right to hate anyone Christ loved enough to die for... at least not if I call myself a Christ follower.
I appreciate what you’re saying and I agree we should pursue peace “as much as it depends on us”. But you’re understanding of unity needs to be placed in its proper context. Truth cannot be reconciled with error and righteousness cannot be reconciled with sin. Unity only occurs to the degree that truth is acknowledged.
Luke 12:51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
But surely that scripture doesn't speak of a divided Church, especially over race and politics. Divided or separated from the world? Yes. A divided Church? No.
Christ also said blessed are peacemakers for they are children of God. My bottom line: Christ is all that matters and we must get rid of anything that divides us. He is a God of love and peace. By this everyone will know we are His disciples when we love one another. There cannot be division spurred on by hate in the Body of Christ... I can't get with that. I believe division is the devil's tactic. As long as we stay busy fighting each other, we will never get around to spreading the good news of Christ.
I am saying that as believers, whatever is thrown at us, let the love of Christ be our response. There is nothing more powerful.
I say this to you and me both. In this toxic culture, I NEED the reminder. My big takeaway from the episode was to avoid slander at all costs.
Thank you John Piper...instead of slandering one another in the church of JESUS CHRIST...lets talk and listen to one another being led by the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD and the truth will be shown to those who have an ear to hear...I have listened to this vedio (part 1) and part 2 and you have nailed it...lets atack CRT instead of destroying one another in the body of CHRIST...love you all...❣❣❣
Yes! Thank you for these words. The story about the black pastor being labeled a CRT proponent simply because he had experienced and spoken against certain systems that discriminated against him based on the color of his skin said it all. When I read what many Christians believe CRT involves and then how they automatically place those beliefs onto anyone who supports building bridges between the people groups my heart breaks.
Have you seen groups like “be the bridge” by Latasha Morrison?
Why is it that in these groups only people with black or brown skin are allowed to talk about the discrimination they felt?
@@artscraftsantiquity2185 -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is .
I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory?
What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive?
Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?"
Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory?
What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?"
How did you do?
@@artscraftsantiquity2185 -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is .
I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory?
What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive?
Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?"
Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory?
What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?"
How did you do?
-- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is .
I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory?
What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive?
Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?"
Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory?
What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?"
How did you do?
Does anyone understand any clear message from this? Of course Shenvi disagreed with his debate partner. He didn't have to know what crt was to push it. Piper just adds to the confusion
I have had to stop listening to him, he just makes things worse.
Thank you, Pastor John, for taking the time to analysis not only what CRT is (by definition) but also how we are called as believers to respond and engage with other believers on this topic. I particularly like how Part 1 came first because I fear that explaining the definition alone may be used to as a mechanism to silence or minimize between believers, seen as "ammunition" for a prepared back and forth debate - when we are called to speak truth, in love.
All the white evangelicals mad in these comments let me know my boy Piper did not let me down.
As a white evangelical, I find the comment section heart breaking.
Piper literally said crt is wrong. He just also warned people not to slander and pointed out that wanting to address racism does not mean you believe in crt. (Which is true. Cry is a tiny fringe view in academia. Most ppl who want to address racism neither know what it is nor believe in it.). And so many commenters blew up.
I did appreciate the slander warning. I definitely do that in other areas and will need to be keeping an eye out.
A lot of pastoral wisdom...thank you Pastor John...❣❣❣
-- Almost all of those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is.
The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is).
Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory?
What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
How did you do?
-- Those I see on social media criticizing Critical Race Theory don't seem to have a very good understand of what it is. The way I see it, if they can't answer at least half of the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, they can't possible have well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory? (If you can't define something in one sentence, you don't have clear idea of what it is).
Why would the Nazis have hated Critical Race Theory?
What problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did it mean?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
Name one of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
I commend Ps. Piper for making all this effort to facilitate genuine discussion on this issue. Your faith in the Spirit's work in the brethren is immense.
I say this bcus as far as I can see it, both sides have become like the world in that they do not want a discussion. They want to call each other names and form factions. The "Red" / "Blue" divide is now in the church.
I would've been silent on the issue and spoken only to the pastors involved were I in his position. There's no reasoning with these people.
@@mildredkingsley-okonkwo7425 you're impersonating someone and using false doctrine to solicit funds. Repent of this. Such things incur the Wrath of God. The only way for you to be saved from God's Wrath is to trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Please trust in Christ's finished work of redemption and repent from this heinous sin.
Rasool's complaint that the church, when faced with ethical concerns, responds with epistemological critique comes because the church's response doesn't acknowledge that the issue is real and offer biblical solutions. Instead, we get arguments.
There's a significant difference to the aggrieved party between hearing that Black citizens are experiencing disparate outcomes in interactions with the police because of widespread racism, affirming, empathizing, then offering a Biblical solution, and hearing that same concern and critiquing it for it's ties to critical race theory.
@Samuel E. Fubara You're doing it right now. No acknowledgement of the problem and arguments with no solutions. I didn't even mention CRT.
@Samuel E. Fubara Acknowledging that racism exists and acknowledging that racism is causing desperate outcomes is two different things. If you're arguing that racism exist, but "jumping to the conclusion that disparate outcomes are DEFINITELY the result of racism is, at best, naive, or, at worst, intellectually lazy." then we don't agree; you're arguing with me and not acknowledging the problem that I've raised as valid.
@Samuel E. Fubara So when you read a study that concludes that Black male criminals face longer sentences than similarly situated white male offenders "after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors", how do you hold to the belief that racism doesn't cause desperate outcomes?
Example:
www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf
@Samuel E. Fubara The study controls for the "number of points assigned under Chapter 4 of the sentencing
guidelines" (appendix C of study)
www.ussc.gov/guidelines/2018-guidelines-manual/2018-chapter-4#:~:text=1.-,%C2%A74A1.,be%20counted%20under%20this%20subsection.
That said, it's not the only example worth mentioning, just the most straight forward that I could come up with. You don't want to talk about criminals, ok. We could talk about how housing discrimination has caused desperate outcomes in wealth building opportunities; employment discrimination often faced by individuals with Black names; or increased maternal mortality rates in Black women. The issues are simply more complicated.
There's a lot of Christians who aren't economists, statisticians, or sociologists (or whatever type of education is relevant in any given situation) who find problems with these studies. They haven't read the studies. They haven't read the methodology in the appendix. They just listen to guys like Pastor John saying that all critical theory is unbiblical and dismiss scientific evidence out of hand.
Hiring discrimination:
www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.full
THE DEVALUATION OF ASSETS IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS
www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018.11_Brookings-Metro_Devaluation-Assets-Black-Neighborhoods_final.pdf
Pregnancy-Related Mortality Ratios
www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternal-mortality/disparities-pregnancy-related-deaths/infographic.html
But, like I said, those issues are more complicated than 1 link answers.
Tl;dr - My complaint is that I see the above issues and want to help, but my brothers and sisters in Christ stand in direct opposition to finding solutions by refusing to acknowledge the problems.
All are Shades of brown.. from dark to light.. All are precious in His Sight
measure the "angle" of CRT by the spirit behind it
if it heals by Reconciliation, listen!
If it seeks healing by Retribution? RUN
It's Marxist. The best ideology so far for persecuting and killing Christians.
Wrong place to start JP ("trust me"?). This video mischaracterizes people who have rightly and helpfully recognized the dangers of CRT (while you have been mostly silent). I have loved you for so long, but what an amazing failure to bring clarity and be a help.
Also, the link between the response to COVID and CRT is telling - both are addressing a trumped-up problem in a totalitarian and non-Christian way. CRT has nothing to do with racism (individual, not systemic, hatred and bad treatment based only on the color of skin) except possibly to create it.
Can you expound on this, "CRT has nothing to do with racism (individual, not systemic, hatred and bad treatment based only on the color of skin) except possibly to create it."? I think I follow but am not exactly clear.
That which is at the center table of any and all dialogues is a vast number of perspectives (world views).
However, we as Christians are unique in that we view God along with His perspectives (His word) as having full and final authority in and over our lives. Beginning first in our minds thoughts (Rom 12:2), and filters it’s way through our hearts and experiences as we mature in relating with God (Heb 15:4)
The fruit that results from our relationship with God will hopefully reflect God’s reality as we learn to trust and believe the supremacy of His Providence over all creation, thus, seamlessly making God (in the words of Piper) our greatest treasure (Deut 6:5).
Reflecting God’s glory in a world that is both helpless and hopeless is huge in our relating with one another (John 13:34-35).
What is critical race theory, and why is it so bad? Without that context nothing I heard in this video makes any sense.
Yes, Piper admits that he usually defines terms but refuses to define terms until spending quite a bit of time on feelings.
@@eurekahope5310 I have now listened to the second part of this series and I can't shake the notion that this is actually more about politics than it is about religion or faith. As a Christian I don't get the sense that Critical Race Theory is an issue for the Church in any real way. It's a totally secular concept and I'm curious as to why Pastor John Piper is even discussing this.
@@docdeeone2813 Tune in for the next exciting episode!
No really, he said he'll define it in the next episode
@ikasdjfh Speaking up against racism as a Christian does not mean that one is espousing critical race theory. It means that one is living by the precepts of the Bible. The word of God makes it very clear that our God hates injustice and oppression and that we as Christians are to speak out against such things (Prov. 31:8,9). In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free. You are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28). If the church is falling short of God's standard of us all being one in Christ then we have an obligation to speak out about it in love, without anyone being accused of espousing critical race theory. At the end of the day we are going to answer to God for our treatment of others. Straw manning in the name of CRT in order to silence criticisms about racism in church will not work with our Lord Jesus. Shalom.
@@docdeeone2813 - nobody is "strawmanning."
In the absence of actual racial bias, discrimination, or mistreatment, many have decided that we are all "asymptomatic carriers" of system(at)ic rAcisM™.
Show me actual racism and I'll fight it. But tell me that I hate someone because of their skin color, because of MY skin color and you might not be welcomed into glory like you were expecting.
God bless you and your ministry Pastor John, we love you
I don't find people in the church not wanting to address racial disparities, but you will be deemed a racist if you say fatherlessness is the main problem and God's Law is the solution.
So sad how mighty falls so stiff. Years I have listen to him I feel completely lost 😢.
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Take what was good.
He is just a man.
Lean on God and his word they are everlasting .
@@yesorno1768 thank you for your wisdom 🙏
Llisten to part 2...very good...love Piper' treatment of this difficult subject...
@@marcelniles342 -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is .
I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory?
What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive?
Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?"
Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory?
What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?"
How did you do?
..."Oh for Bible people ... Oh for Bible people"...don't give a rip for what anyone says if you cant use scriptures to back up." ...."The lack of precision is the beginning of liberalism (another gospel) -- the old John Piper ... I miss the old John Piper :(
Learning. Listening.
Doing the work.
When it comes to racial bridge-building for black people, Be the Bridge places a lot of the focus on listening to and learning from people without color. But there’s also some important internal work that black people need to do as well. When black people don’t understand some of the basic tenets of blackness, it’s hard to fully engage in the work of racial reconciliation.
For this reason, we have created a resource that breaks down the Four B’s:
1. Black Supremacy
2. Black Fragility
3. Black Identity
4. Black Privilege
Why is this not information black people already know and understand?
Black people live very segregated lives, benefitting from NOT knowing and engaging with their racial reality.
Black people are most likely to live in racially homogenous communities and least likely to come into contact with people racially different from themselves.
Now you are confusing me. Injecting Eurocentric views on Black people.
5 minutes in there's been no clarity or information given. Keep speaking in circles and playing word games. CRT is evil.
Poor Pastor John has really stumbled on race issues. Somehow it’s bearing false witness and slander to logically trace the foundations of a destructive belief system, but labeling an entire race as guilty of racism because of their color isn’t? He needs to do more study of what’s actually occurring here instead of following the easy path of responding emotionally.
this is projection at the highest level
What is "this"? The presentation / speaker, or the theory?
@@demetriusmiddleton1246 Piper whining about the CRT label as if that's the big problem causing division in the Church and not the people espousing CRT that have been labeling people as racists and dividing churches by race for the last decade
@@mildredkingsley-okonkwo7425 uuuuh LOL
Piper is trying to make a pastoral response, which requires a part 1. He has no problem going straight to calling out CRT and its adherents, but the very foundation we use to have discourse is already faulty. That foundation is the deeper relational issue of people refusing discern a true adherent to a false teaching from someone who just trying to think critically. In other words, we live in a time when trying to grapple with racial issues honestly will make you branded as something sinister from well-meaning people, just for raising a question or a concern. Someone can simply say they don't support BLM and be branded a racist. Also, someone can simply say that race is a big issue and be branded as possessed by CRT.
That seems to me why he wanted to explore the issues of labeling and slander first, so that when we get his answer in Part 2 on CRT more specifically, we have gained a perspective that allows us to engage people in a more thoughtful and Christlike way, and not like the world.
@@AP-Design that would all be great if any of it were based on premises that were true. I happen to be a person that takes racial issues very seriously, but no one accuses me of espousing CRT because I know that CRT promotes racism under a guise of anti-racism. Well meaning or not, a person unwittingly parroting CRT still needs to be confronted and it's really not helpful to cry about a label of CRT being used if that is the case.
on the other hand people who don't support BLM are being labeled a racist, and just like in Pipers last controversial letter, your making a moral equivalency between being labeled a racist and being told you might be parroting CRT views. These are clearly not the same thing nor do they carry the same moral implications
All I can say to those who are so sardonically critical of this episode is this: 1 Corinthians 2:14
I am curious. Concerning slandering christian brothrs, is it slander when a pastor says, to Donald Trump, “Any real, true believer is going to be on your side in this election.”? And is it slander when I as a christian publicaly (such as here on comments) say that this pastor is wrong for saying such things?
Thank you for taking the time to address this topic 👍
I'm not even 2 minutes in and I can tell you (or the majority of commentors) haven't even really researched what Critical Race Theory is and why it was even created...its sad to see but it is what is...your opinion is not a heaven or hell issue
Dang it Piper, you really swung and missed! 😢
Critical Race Theory is not just a pejorative term as was said in closing. Pastor John is so right in calling on the Church to be respectful of each other. But it feels as though he doesn't recognize the danger in the idea.
Remember when Piper made a video lecturing people for using the "racist" pejorative against people who weren't racist?
Your point? Critical race theory IS "racist". How is it hypocritical for him to say that and also that people shouldn't call people racist who aren't racist? There's no contradiction there.
@@demetriusmiddleton1246
It’s a rhetorical question. Piper never lectured those who slander others as “racist,” even though it is shouted from the highest mountaintops in the media, academia and allegedly “Christian” twitter blue checkmarks. He only lectures those who point out critical race theory. There lies the hypocrisy.
15:34 - OK "don't slander and accuse people of wrong based on the questions they ask."
Check.
Q: how did you come to the conclusion that you are bleeding?
Thanks. It’s the first time that I have heard of it, so I have some learning to do
See the division in the Church over this movement that champions perfection as an expectation and also providing a large and comfortable category for unBiblical demands to be treated better in a fallen world and harboring unforgiveness and offense toward God? Jesus Christ says, "These things I have spoken to you that in me you might have peace. In the world you will have tribulation: but be of good cheer (not offended); I have overcome the world." John 16.33
Behavior modification as a doctrine relying on the efforts of fallen people is a fail. Pray for one another, and stop doubting the faithfulness, sovereignty, and genius of God almighty.
Great to have detailed breakdown instead of the one off Twitter takes you see online.
Anyone who claims skin color has any effect on human decisions instantly losses all credibiliy.
This does not suggest that CRT does not exist. Perhaps we need to identify the symptoms.
With all due respect Pastor John, is it really slander to call an Arian an Arian or a Gnostic a Gnostic, even if the holder of the views espoused is unaware of where they originate? Is it not also possibly slanderous, then, to accuse those believers who accurately use the term "Critical Race Theory" in calling out un-biblical ideas as being slanderous for using the term? Would you accuse St. Athenasius of slander for calling out Arianism or St. Iraneus for calling out the Gnostics? I'm sorry, but I believe that suggesting that the labeling of CRT is slanderous because it makes assumptions about the motives of the speaker. If Pastor Berry is bothered that he has been labeled a critical race theorist, why is he upset by the label, rather than addressing the heretical nature of the ideas that draw the label? No one is saying that the issues of race are unimportant, but, perhaps, just maybe, espousing ideas that are themselves racist will not solve or address the racial issues at hand.
Oh, and don't call it CRT? Should I not call Gnosticism Gnosticism? Should I not call Arianism Arianism or Palagianism Palagianism? If you are espousing heretical ideas, should I not tell you that you are espousing those ideas and where they come from? I should come to you privately where possible, but also, if you freely espouse heresy in public, you leave yourself open to a public rebuke, do you not? Did not Paul publically rebuke Cephas (Peter) for his public failure for not walking in step with the truth of the Gospel?
'But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”' - Galatians 2:14
I'm sorry brother, but no.
Thank you Ps John, for beginning this topic with a call against some unhelpful and divisive attitudes and behavior by many of us when trying to deal with it. Look forward to part 2 when you get into dissecting this theory and comparing it to the bible. There are too many right now who are using it as justification for all kinds of behavior and ideas that are wholly foreign to the word of God.
Fyi hes like 9 months late.
unhelpful divisive behaviors like introducing Marxist nonsense into church communities and spreading racism and shame and then attacking anyone who tries to defend the Church against worldly philosophies?
@@joshs.7612 He may have been late to the game. He may also not have been on top of the stuff happening as he probably should have. All these just affirm the fact that he is human. Honestly I have no idea what is God's role for him in all this. If there's any failing on his part, that is something he will account for before the Great White Throne.
What he calls for in this video is for Christians trying to grapple with this issue to avoid some unhelpful attitudes and behavior. Christians across the spectrum on this issue. Imho that is a valid call.
@@bretlynn You have laid out some of the egregious behavior happening all across the body of believers. I agree this is happening. My question to you is: As Christians how should we handle this? How should we fight this?
Imho, this fight has got to proceed from a good foundation in the bible, and has to occur on multiple fronts. As I wrote earlier, I don't know God's role for Piper in all this, but if he is trying to bring the word of God to bear on this so-called theory and its various applications by individuals and groups across Christendom, that is something in the right direction. Personally I will be looking at how it goes in Piper's attempt to do this in his next video to judge whether he is still credible as a biblical teacher.
Want to put it out here, that I am already watching/reading Voddie Baucham, James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, and some others who, from various perspectives, are making the good case against CRT and the tactics of those pushing it in our churches.
@@isogashiin to answer your question as to how we handle and fight this. We have to stop capitulating and conceding points to weak men. We have to stop accepting premises and start calling out the phony disingenuous rhetoric that Big Eva pastors push. Like every single time. We are only responding to cancerous worldly philosophies, it's not like we wake up in the morning thinking "how can I cause division and spread disharmony in the church today? " no, these people are the ones who wake up every day thinking that there's something they can fix about the Church, and they're the ones being argumentative, grumbling complainers, and sowing divisions among the brethren
Source: Wikipedia
According to the UCLA School of Public Affairs:[9]
CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color.
Legal scholar Roy L. Brooks has defined CRT as "a collection of critical stances against the existing legal order from a race-based point of view", adding that:[10]
[I]t focuses on the various ways in which the received tradition in law adversely affects people of color not as individuals but as a group. Thus, CRT attempts to analyze law and legal traditions through the history, contemporary experiences, and racial sensibilities of racial minorities in this country. The question always lurking in the background of CRT is this: What would the legal landscape look like today if people of color were the decision-makers?
So let's break this down. Has racism made its way through the fabric of society? Absolutely. First point, check. Are there laws that give certain people of color less rights than whites? No. But the application of the law through adjudicators have shown to punish people of color more harshly than whites.
But they'll never admit that. I saw a pretty racist post on Facebook and looked at the guy's profile. His tag line showed the perfect response to anyone who is pro-White America and anti-POC. "Admit to nothing. Deny everything. Counter accuse when you can."
How does this attitude fit the Bible? It doesn't.
Nice post, but how does it square with the Bible and with your faith?
There was racism "engrained in the fabric and system" on display in nearly every book and chapter of the Bible. How did the Bible teach Christians to respond?
@@braedenh6858 Disagree with racism being engrained in the fabric of the system in every chapter of the Bible. I don't know what you're reading. Also, the Bible is full of all bad people, one Good God and one Good Man (Jesus) and the bad people killed him. I wouldn't model behavior after anyone but Jesus. How did God want us to respond? 1. Love God with all our heart, soul, and might. 2. Love your neighbors as yourself. Also, Leviticus 19:34 - You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Revelation 7:9 - After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
@@4dwyn
Examples of 'engrained' racism abound in the Old and New Testaments.
The Israelites were slaves in Egypt, of course. They were also oppressed and discriminated against by Nebuchadnezzar and Darius in Babylon.
Because they were a different people.
The Israelites themselves oppressed and discriminated against the Philistines and Canaanites and the other tribes sharing their lands in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament they did the same with the Samaritans, Gentiles, and other surrounding peoples who were not like them.
Also, there is the Roman Empire, which had its own means of oppression and racism.
Is it possible to look at the Bible with an eye attuned to seeing race and racism and miss so many obvious examples?
@@4dwyn You did provide several examples in the Bible that racism is incompatible with obedience to God, in the OT, and Christ, in the NT.
Nonetheless, in culture and in politics, institutional racism existed then, if we apply the current definitions of the CRT philosophy to it.
What is a church and what is a Christian in the first place? Christian is a pejorative term also and it takes many forms so all the words that you speak do not have any understanding or consideration for the subject matter as far as I'm concerned!
I expected better from John. This was a terrible analysis and misrepresentation of what is actually going on. It was a strawman to pretend that people are being met with charges of CRT because they're merely asking questions. Pastor Barry wasn't just asking questions, he is asserting the tenants and worldview of CRT.
This provided great cover for further deception in the church, treating CRT as a valuable strategy that can be used. CRT labels aren't pejorative if they're justified.
What do you mean by "tenants" of CRT?
@@LarryBradley -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is .
I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory?
What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive?
Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?"
Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory?
What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?"
How did you do?
@@LarryBradley -- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is .
I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory?
What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive?
Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?"
Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory?
What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?"
How did you do?
@@derrickbell24 How did I do? Sorry, laughing too hard to take your "test." I have no idea what, if any, use or purpose there is for your "test" other than to prove that you have done a lot of thinking and/or studying about CRT and consider yourself an expert in the subject, not to be challenged by those like me who simply look at the content of a CRT course syllabus and conclude that it is a racist, radical, marxist pile of . . . well, you know.
These things that you are saying are very selective. And unrealistic. The very nature of Christianity in this country is there black churches and white churches separated by racism in the first place!
Thank you Pastor John. This is soo good!
The two warnings being addressed by the two points at the end happen so often. Especially the first point. We so often size people up based on the questions they ask, and get hostile and dismissive whenever a biblical critique is attempted on CRT subjects.
Let's "give each other room", as Piper said, to think critically and comprehensively about these things.
Please stop Pastor John!
The gospel is enough.
Seems to me the researcher is saying follow the guidebook on this disease that has been around and diagnosed since time began, and the doctor is prescribing leeches.
When he is speaking about the two men I kept thinking he. brews
Well, John, people are often offended when they are called out and made conscious of how they’re wrong. It’s up to those of us who know about the roots of CRT and it’s agenda that have to teach people like you - and the offended activists you mention - that there is terminology to help us all understand and discern it’s evils. CRT is the racist, divisive ideology here, not the “pejorative” label of Critical Race Theory. Please do some more homework, John, with a special focus on Marxism and communism. Also, how is pointing out that someone is looking at life through a Marxist lens “slander”?? Aren’t we called to tell our brothers and sisters the truth, in love? I highly doubt that saved Christians are running around, yelling and pointing at people using CRT saying “Critical Race Theorist! Critical Race Theorist! You’re evil!!”, which is how you make it sound. After years of listening to you, John, it’s starting to seem like you’re either knowingly or unknowingly working for the enemy. Very sad and disappointing.
You are too talkative you haven't even started talkin about you talkin around it
This is pathetic coming from a pastor of over 30+ years!!!
#politicallyagnostic
Neil Shenvi has literally made up a boogeyman straw man with his definition of CRT. this is a bad take if Shenvi is Pipers basis. I suggest Piper read Bradley Mason on the subject, cites his sources. Shenvi cites himself.
@Samuel E. Fubara I’m happy to be shown a single example where he uses a cited definition that isn’t his own.
@Samuel E. Fubara "Dr. Shenvi’s account of the core tenets of critical race theory do not represent the core tenets of my work in any way. They create a polemic which I do not recognize. Shenvi sets up critical race theory as a rigid straw man to knock it down. To do serious work on privilege requires careful observation and nuanced thinking. None of what Shenvi claims are core tenets are valid to me, and I do not think any of them are accurate as a description of critical race theory in general; it is a scholarly, serious undertaking, not an ideology." - Peggy McIntosh
alsoacarpenter.com/2019/10/07/a-critical-caricature-dr-mcintosh-responds-to-dr-shenvis-characterization-of-critical-theories/
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I understand that using “CRT” as a pejorative is unhelpful and wrong, but please recognize that CRT itself uses all sorts of pejorative language itself to denounce anyone that disagrees with it. If you disagree with it, you are racist. However I appreciate what you’re doing here. To me it is an “open handed” issue like Calvinism-vs-Arminianism. Just have to agree to disagree is the solution.
Pastor John read the Man-not by Tommy J.Curry. He explains brilliantly its shortcomings as well as other theory. If you want more info on this topic.
Didnt think it would stir that bad wow wasmt worth the peace relax yall.
@Desiring God - at 14:45 John Piper says, "If I pose the question why there MAY be racial disparities in Health Care or Education or anything else....", I think you're being rather generous in assuming that people are including that all important "MAY" in that question. Most of what I hear and see is a similar question with the "MAY" excluded, which proves that the question itself is founded on an assumption that racial disparity DOES in fact exist in Health Care, Education or anything else. I have yet to see enough compelling evidence that this would be the case, and someone who assumes this is the case must assume this under the unbiblical, "everyone is racist until proven innocent (possibly)", worldview of CRT. That's why I don't think it's slander to label someone's worldview as CRT based, when their questions are obviously founded on these assumptions. Through their questions, they prove their own guilt.
I know a lot of nurses who have stories of very racist things they have seen happen in the medical field.
@@annlowry9841 just because you or someone you know has seen people act in a seemingly racist way doesn't mean that those institutions are inherently racist or based on racism, nor does it prove that there is an intentional oligarchical conspiracy of racism in those institutions. It simply means that some people are racist, which is a painful evidence of individual sin.
@@trialbyfire7112 sure but it means that people are basing it off of sound evidence and not a belief that everyone is racist until proven innocent.
John piper is good on the biblical perspective with other subjects. This is not one of them.
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didn't know about CRT? sounds like he's lying then I guess. Kinda like how 9 Marks pretends to be ignorant when they get interviewed
I didn't hear about CRT until this year. I think it's completely reasonable that a pastor who is busy teaching God's Word and serving people isn't ahead of the public narrative on current philosophical issues.
@@amyclutter7259
funny how all these guys feign ignorance about CRT but defend it and teach it with such skill and vigor
@@bretlynn I have not listened to the pastor he is referring to, so I couldn't verify whether or not he is a defender of CRT. I got the impression from Piper that it was more of a discussion of the way we as Christians talk about racial justice and CRT. I would hesitate to make blanket statements about anyone I disagree with since all that does is inhibit loving dialogue.
@@amyclutter7259 making blanket statements like accusing people of being subconsciously racist because they were born white? how about Piper start his thoughts on that divisive little nugget before jumping into the fray late in the game?
Wait, can someone explain how critical race theory is bad and "unBiblical"?
There is a TH-cam channel called "Founders Ministries" that has a couple of videos that you may find helpful for understanding CRT. The first is called "Cultural Marxism" by Voddie Baucham and the second is a documentary called "By What Standard" that dives into the issue more in depth.
th-cam.com/video/DAABuCC96tI/w-d-xo.html Watch this. Only 5 mins video. Well summed up why critical theory is unbiblical
@@solaLovide this isn't an accurate description of critical theory as I understand it. Critical theory examines institutions, not individual, right?
@ikasdjfh i might be wrong but the way I understand it, it's a way of looking at and criticizing institutions, not examining people's worth. That's why I don't get the conflict.
@@djkelley6649 cultural Marxism is just a conspiracy theory about the Frankfurt school. It's not a thing.
Anybody on here trying to say that Piper is getting this wrong might need to concider the possibility that they have it wrong or do not understand, first. Lol but seriously. This is a very very intelligent, gracious, and loving man that has more widom in his pinky finger than we will ever have, period.
SOLA SCRIPTURA!
I saw you confess your racist past John. God has forgiven you. Now get on with your KINGDOM work and leave this PSEUDO-SCIENCE to the secular academics please.
#southsiderabbi
There was no wisdom in what this man said. Yes of course we don’t want to mislabel anyone but I don’t think that happens as often to warrant this warning.
The issues are clear cut. We denounce CRT but do so truthfully. This was an obvious thing. Not a very informative podcast.
-- Almost all of the people on social media supporting or criticizing Critical Race Theory have no idea what it is .
I respectfully submit for your consideration the proposition that if a person can't answer the following basic questions about Critical Race Theory correctly, that person can't possible have a well informed opinions on the topic.
In one sentence, what is Critical Race Theory?
What racial justice problem did legal scholars wrestle with in the 1970s that eventually led to the founding of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who is the Godfather of Critical Race Theory and how did he shatter the shining image of a celebrated Supreme Court civil rights ruling?
What is the Interest-Convergence Dilemma?
What was “The Alternative Course?”
Name three of the key founders of the Critical Race Theory movement?
Who coined the term "Critical Race Theory" and what did he say it meant?
Is Critical Race Theory a noun or a verb?
What are two of the key tenets of Critical Race Theory?
Why does Thomas Sowell say colorblindness as a racial justice ideology is outdated and counter productive?
Why would the Hitler and the Nazis have hated the key tenet of Critical Race Theory which holds that "race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant?"
Why do Neo-Marxists object to Critical Race Theory?
What is the name the openly racist leader of the Anti-Critical Race Theory movement who went on Fox News in June of 2021 and boldly declared that "America was founded to maintain White supremacy. Not freedom, not rule of law, not equal opportunity, not personal responsibility, but White supremacy?"
How did you do?
@@derrickbell24 nice try. Many of the questions you ask can be answered from several perspectives. It’s not a matter of answering questions that you could easily google to find the answers to.
CRT has a very very essential core belief to it and it doesn’t matter if other members of the Left disagree with one aspect to it. Your little 20 question stunt doesn’t in any way shape defeat a person’s critique of it.
Im familiar with CRT’s lineage to CLT at HLS. Im familiar with the writings of Delgado.
Certain Marxists do reject it because it detracts from the view that it’s class struggle not racial that’s the problem. Same approach but from a different angle. Also what an absurd and silly thing to ask concerning the nazis and hitler. What’s your point? The fact that they could have possibly disagreed means what? That CRT is a good thing? The nazis also hated Bolshevism.
Look no one is impressed with your little question pop quiz except for you. CRT is at its core a very irrational approach to race in society. It must be rejected.
@@JR-be5iy -- "CRT is at its core a very irrational approach to race in society."
Do you have facts and sound argument to support that claim?
@@frederickdouglass383 to support the claim it’s irrational to the core? Absolutely. Just take a look at the curriculum of the schools that have implemented it where they ask non POc to discuss their supposed privilege or ways their “whiteness” keeps them from understanding blacks. The subtext. They’re whiteness has a built in racism they are unaware of.
You can google it. I’m not doing your homework for you.
@@JR-be5iy "to support the claim it’s irrational to the core?"
What claim?
"Just take a look at the curriculum of the schools"
Do you have links?
"that have implemented it"
Implemented what?
"they ask non POC to discuss their supposed privilege"
Who is they? What is the supposed privilege, exactly?
"or ways their 'whiteness' keeps them from understanding blacks."
What ways, exactly?
"Whiteness has a built in racism."
I hold that whiteness and white racialized identity refer to the way that white people, their customs, culture, and beliefs operate as the standard by which all other groups of are compared. Whiteness is also at the core of understanding race in America. Whiteness and the normalization of white racial identity throughout America's history have created a culture where nonwhite persons are seen as inferior or abnormal.
Thanks.