What is Spinoza's God?
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- Spinoza is one of the most controversial and debated philosophers in the last few centuries. This video attempts to give a very general overview of his perspective on God as well as some ways that it can be interpreted.
The video is a collaboration with the lovely channel "Seekers of Unity", which you can find here: / @seekersofunity
Sources/Suggested Reading:
Garrett, Don (1996). "The Cambridge Companion to Spinoza". Cambridge University Press.
Nadler, Steven (2018). "Spinoza: A Life". Cambridge University Press.
Wolfson, Harry Austryn (2014). "The Philosophy of Spinoza: Unfolding the Latent Processes of His Reasoning". Harvard University Press.
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Nice livestream yesterday! Would absolutely love you to go into kabalah, after wahabi, and the other things
Good teaching of a very complex philosopher. I think you should have mentioned that Reform Judaism, the most liberal and least orthodox aspect of Judaism was initially known as "Spinozaism". Einstein identified with that as well, and did participate with Reform congregation. The key tenant of Reform Judaism is that acts of love and making the world better are more important than rituals or other acts of devotion. This is also a more liberal and broad interpretation of the Jewish Creed of "Tikkun Olam" or "Heal the World". Within Judaism, this broadening of Jewish tradition also made him upsetting to the more traditional teachings.
Hi Filip, are you also god intoxicated person?
@Let's Talk Religion - what do you make of the merits of panentheism? Have you done a video on this?
Fantastic channel, i must say. I'm an art historian and professor. I often look for supplemental videos for students in my classes who might want a little extra instructional information on topics tangential or contextual.
But every once in a while i find myself filling in little areas of the undergraduate courses i never took. Religious studies was a department i avoided in my youth - for reasons of strong personal bias which would have prevented me being a good religious studies student at that age. So, I'm very grateful for what you're doing here
... And of course I'm writing this on the Spinoza video. Ha! Typical.
“What really interests me," Albert Einstein once remarked, "is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world."
I actually learned this quote from a book by Sagan so I feel called out by the intro
Free will doesn't exist therefore he couldn't help creating the world
@@konyvnyelv. why, or how, would the free will (or lack thereof) Homo Sapiens Sapiens, in any way affect the range of possible values that the laws of nature could adopt in the universe? Your comment (as it currently stands) does not make any sense...
@@simesaid no freedom can exist in every way and realm. It's logically inconsistent so if God exists and does something, it's because he couldn't do otherwise.
There is no "He". It's just reality.
I like how you take the extra effort to pronounce peoples names in their proper languages. That is a very respectful thing to do and very admirable.
if one is fluent in other languages (as I assume our host may be) that can be easier. personally since i am not fluent in other languages I never attempt to pronounce someone's name as it would be pronounced in their language. it's too easy to butcher it, badly, or, if I happened to do a good job, it can create the false impression I was fluent in a language I wasn't fluent in. It's smoothest to get as accurate as a pronunciation as I can manage in my natural accent. If someone was speaking about me to one another in French or German or Russian or Chinese, or anything, I wouldn't dream of expecting them to pronounce my name in an American accent. I couldn't imaging expecting anything but their best approximation of my name in a pronunciation in their natural accent.
Even some people fluent in English, but with strong accents, pronounce my name quite "wrongly", emphasizing wrong syllables or not getting the consonants the way I would. I wouldn't dream of correcting them. If they have it roughly right and consistent with their mastery of English, I consider it right.
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 yeah I don't think anyone would expect anything more but thats why I felt the need to compliment the host for going the extra mile.
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 yeah I can imagine a British or Australian person having that issue with your name. I have a friend who is from New Zealand and everyone has to ask him about 2-3 times to repeat himself, best times is when he has a couple of alcoholic drink
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Spinoza is a giant in history. I am thankful that you covered him. People should know about him.
Humans, like everything in nature are multi-dimensional, especially in their thoughts. Great thinkers like Spinoza, Rumi, the Buddha, Descartes and so many others are capable of expressing their philosophical thoughts in a way that reaffirms our own thoughts about the causal forces giving shape to what we know as physical Universe. A great video.
Very wise words sir.
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Thank you for this great collab Filip. It's a pleasure being part of the creator community with you. Looking forward to more great work together. Much love, Zevi.
צבי (זאבי?) איפה אתה גר? בארצות הברית? בארץ?
This was a great collaboration! Looking foward to more in the future!
@@LetsTalkReligion You nailed the pronunciation btw 😉👌🏻
@@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375 בארץ
@@SeekersofUnity Yay! :)
It's nice how often you reference Middle Eastern philosophers, because I know so little about that area's philosophy. I am roughly familiar with a Western ensemble and it's nice to see other folks pop up from areas of the world that I'm less familiar with. You are making me interested in obtaining a much more global perspective of philosophy. It took me several years to become familiar with the Western ensemble. I wonder how long it would take for me to become more familiar with our Eastern (Middle East and far-East alike), African, perhaps autochthonic American, and perhaps autochthonic Oceanic philosophies. The conversation about "what life and the universe is" is a very long and global conversation, and it is our responsibility to hear the fullest amount of the conversation that we can handle in one lifetime.
Oh my god I never thought I'd see this channel cover spinoza. This might be the only non philosophy video on spinoza on youtube.
Philosophy is theologies hand Maiden.
Sycophants suck
Non philosophy? I'd say this channel is quite philosophical. Philosophy doesn't mean atheist only, Daniel Dennett type stuff. At least in my opinion it doesn't
@@Zeerich-yx9po Nietzsche.
I hope you are doing well, friends 🥰. As humans, we must worship the creator of the universe who made this life that is representing a test for us . So, I really liked to show the evidence of his existence Almighty.
creator’s miracles in his book, the holy Quran, more than 1440 years ago:
1-the scientific miracles. (expansion of the universe, the chemical composition of humans, the front of the head function, the mountains functions as pegs, factor determines Gender, and etc.….)
2-historical and metaphysical miracles.
3- the numerical miracles.
4-the unmet challenge of bringing something like it.
5- the preservation of the Quran miracle and others.
The prophet of Islam, Muhammed (may blessing and mercy of God be upon him) miracles:
1- the prophecies of his advent in the Bible and the Torah.
2- the historical miracles performed by him that we knew by narrators.
3- the metaphysical miracles and knowing some things in the future by the knowledge of the creator, and others.
Logical proofs:
1- findings of the Religious comparisons.
2- Issues in the religions except for Islam.
3- The superiority of Islam over other religions to guarantee rights and the survival of life.
4- the innate of worshiping a god (mentioned in the Quran).
5-the illiteracy of the prophet of Islam and the Benefits of saying that this Qur’an is from him.
6- the vast logical proofs in the Quran.
My beautiful friend, try to think about what I said. Then, ask our merciful creator to help and guide you to the right path, read the holy Quran, and see the links that illustrated a small piece of the evidence. Don’t hesitate to ask me any Question and to ask me for helping you in your search. thanks.
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www.islamreligion.com/en/articles
You explained this quite well. Thank you for sharing your research and knowledge!
This is among the best channels on TH-cam. Thankyou! For such amazing content
Oh, what great things are here on this channel!!! You outdo yourself with every episode. How can such a seemingly 'fluffy' medium as TH-cam be the conveyor of the weightiest of ideas?! I'm so glad that you've acknowledged the substantial overlap there has always been between Theology and Philosophy. I look foreward to Schopenhaur,whose pessimism I find ironically comical.(You may well have done it already). His love of animals as well as Eastern thought makes him my true kindred spirit.He's like my old pal. Keep doing what you're doing,dear friend!
Extremely well said and thought out! Thank you, so much.
Your content, the voice, the ambience, the art you use, the material which you explain is very enlightening and spiritual.....the aura which surrounds you emanates knowledge and peace.....
You are truly making many of us leave relixion and embrace universal spiritual brotherhood and goodness.....
Thank you for your excellent work.....
Spinoza's idea of substance seems easy to draw parallels with Ibn Arabi and wahdat-al-wujud as well as shankaracharya and more broadly the hindu idea of brahman, though Spinoza seems like an 'atheistic theist' in a unique and interesting way. None of these people's ideas can be put into an accurate label or sentence that wouldn't be reductive, but all of them share a conceptual through-line.
Similar parallels to tao te ching and the dao
Definitely!
Spinoza is a Deist.
🙏👏🌹 THAT May be DIVINE BLESSINGS OF THE DIVINE FREE WILL 🙏👏🌹
@@anahata3478 Abrahamic god can be pretty vindictive.
All my favorite channels are converging into the ultimate synchronicity! 🔭📡
Thanks man. I love leaving you talks with more wonder then when I started the video. Beautiful.
Bro, Just... Wow. You sir are gifted, and blessed to say the least. Thank you for your interpretation of such complex wisdom. 🙏☯️
Yaay!!! Excellent!!!! Was waiting for this!! Thank you!!! 😃
Loved it! Great presentation on his philosophy:)
These videos cover all the important aspects of a topic in such short time, and save me hours of reading. Thanks so much.
These videos actually stimulate me to read more. But I know what you mean. I have a difficult time getting through philosophy books. Same thing with books on religion sometimes
Thanks for this lesson Very helpful. Time to read Ethics again because it went over my head 40 years ago. And probably still will.
Love this video! For my part, Spinoza’s mastery also comes from the refined order of propositions and proofs, not just his conclusions abt God, reality, humankind etc. Totally not the focus of this channel, but I think the Euclidean origins of Ethics’ structure adds so much to the rigor of his arguments, and gives insight on why Spinoza has been so inspiring and dangerous thru history lol.
And also another reason why his philosophy is so attractive in this scientific & digital age in which structured reason & patterned frameworks have great value.
And also ...
. potentially, a foundation for a genuine digital metaphysics, ontology, epistemology & ethic...
. a possible bridge or nexus between tech, science, and philosophy ...
. and almost certainly another building block, or better, strand of living DNA, for co-weaving emergent, robust textures of an ever-richer, more nuanced, 'lobalized' & 'glocalized', plectic, consilient, universal understanding of faith, gods, God, love, peace, myth, religion, spirit, spirituality, truth, and more ...
Thanks so much Filip, wonderful.
Very interesting comment. Thank you.
I have not given Spinoza a great deal of thought. I'm more drawn to phenomenology.
I think this is an excellent, very clear exposition of Spinoza's view of God/Nature/Substance. I especially like your clear, brief discussion of the pantheist-panentheist labels. I also loved your comparing and contrasting of Spinoza's view of God with the broadly anthropomorphic character of the God of living Abrahamic religions. I also think you correctly identify exactly what is, and is not, "radical" about Spinoza's view. Kudos!
Philosophers are the greatest thinkers. This is a new concept. And a new channel discovery. I like it! Thanks!
they're all bullshitters living atheist and dying christian
@@messianic_scam lol
I disagree. Philosophers are great at one thing, creating definitions that are predisposed to proving their own ideology true rather than accurately describing the world we live in.
Philosophers are agents of evil
@@A_Realist says who
Great channel! I want to personally thank you for covering Middle Eastern philosophy, theology, and history. It means a lot to us that people are starting to recognize our contributions.
scientists have for countless years. hundreds
Amazing! This is all new to me. I'm going to need to do some research! Thanks for the video.
Impeccable timing for this video lol I just started a uni course on Spinoza's Ethics last week.
I enjoyed this very much ,wonderful content look forward to more
Thank you for these videos. Many of the philosophers of history are forgotten, or simply not talked about enough
To me Spinoza's God makes a lot of sense than any other personal or anthropomorphic Gods.
Zeus makes more scene
I believe in big tit anime God's
Willy how SAD for you & atheists who don’t have the love of Jesus!
Christ came into the world & there’s Never been anything Bigger than He!
@Wally Reyes / Betcha you voted for sleepy Joe Biden right snowflake?
True!
Spinoza is my favourite philosopher, so excited that you made a video about him.
Why? What are you seeing that I'm missing?
This is not a comment that I have heard often. And I'm a historian. I know philosophers.
Care to elaborate? I'm curious.
You can read an introductory book by Gilles Deleuze: Spinoza: Practical Philosophy. It's a short read, will do him (Spinoza) better justice than giving an incoherent explanation since the ideas are built or rely upon one another. @@ems4884
Another excellent video. I especially enjoyed the different perspectives that you presented instead of trying to fit him into a box.
Wonderful presentation. Very informative. Thank you!
This dudes Pronunciation of names and last names is everything I love about languages. :)
Extremely well presented... especially for a novice, like me. Keep up the great work.
Excellent. So greatly appreciate your service, truly enlightening.
i just can't stop watching your content. it's so good.
Wow that was awesome. Thank you very much for bringing this man and his philosophies so eloquently to my attention. Very much appreciate it the trouble you've taken.
Excellent descriptions for Spinoza
Excelent approach to explain such a complex subject. Thanks!
I can't wait for a video on Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz's theology. Really appreciate the channel and the work you are doing.
Spinoza is one of my favorite philosophers. People always over look him for later philosophers such as Nietzche.
@@michaelgonzalez288 NIETZSCHE was the first cuckhold of the modern era
to be fair Nietzche takes a lot of influence from Spinozas ethical system, the will to power is very similar to a lot of Spinozas prescriptions
@@stellan8965 Nietzche Beyond Good and Evil that ethical system ?
@@raygon8 a lot of his writings, BGE included
You understand nothing good for Nietzsche being dissed by you.
Tack så mycket! Spinoza is so fascinating, the perfect bridge to religion for someone who's a fan of contemporary theoretical physics. :)
Thank you for the most interesting and informative presentation with personality 👍
Thank you. Enjoyed your explanation and felt a connection to Espinoza's thinking as well.
Funny you bring up Cosmos, because all through the video up to then I'd found extremely similar Spinoza's God and Sagan's definition of the Cosmos as he states it in the eponymous television series. It's also right there in line with my own regard of the universe as being multifaceted aspects of one, but without any sort of deification or self-awareness of the grand unity, nor beforeness (imo a near-universal hangup of creatures sensorily bounded by time [well, that's another discussion (-: ] ) Spinoza was one of those philosophers I missed out on reading/studying, so I really appreciate your distillation here. It's not just interesting but relevant for me on several counts, one of which is being a nature-loving intellectual atheist raised among relatives practicing various fundamentalist Christian belief systems.
I loved how he thought, these ideas have well filtrated into my consciousness 🙏
Very concisely explained summary on Spinoza's interpretation of God. Thank you for sharing.
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Jesus says to you today: “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." -Matthew 11:28
Great video, thank you for making it.
Spinoza was Jewish actually and believed God was everywhere, and that he could find God anywhere. Which is considered more of a spiritual view today. Which makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for drawing attention to that. Spinoza's being Jewish, and growing up in Amsterdam within the Sephardic refugee culture with that traditional conception of God, is very significant as a context to understand the 'fermentation' ground for his thinking. The boy is the father of the man.
Moreover, Spinoza's Sephardic Jewish ancestors were first expelled from Spain, and then fled the Portuguese Inquisition, because of these Jewish conceptions, which they sought to maintain by refusing to convert to Catholicism in Portugal, seeking refuge instead in the free-thinking Dutch Republic. Persecuted protestant Christian groups from England (the Pilgrims grouped as refugees in Amsterdam before the Mayflower set off from there to the New World) and France (the Huguenots) did the same. And other philosophers like Descartes and Locke, were attracted by the free press policies in 'Golden Age' Amsterdam. The rich city was both a magnet and a crucible for free and new ideas. In the cut and thrust of ideas in that context, for the young Jew Spinoza, fresh from Leiden University, his own developing ideas were really a logical consequence.
nothing makes sense for me. this world is just random for me
@@aditya234567 same
@@aditya234567 the fun part of this world is that it’s a big mystery.
@@aditya234567 I think that the complex order already points out to the intelligence that had established it. When you come to the room where the order is established, how do you know that it was put down by someone, especially if the order is the complex one? Very simple. The order already points out to the intelligence that had established it. Our world points out to the Intelligence that is out of space and time, transcendent and one, like in Islam, Prisca theologian or Deism. That's not a fact, but just my worldview.
But anyway I'm going to like your comment))
Lovely! Many long years ago I had a several days long conversation with a cop in an Australian outback town. Most of what he talked about was Spinoza’s philosophy and he made a lot of sense at the time. That might have had something to do with the beer :-) It’s only recently that I began his “Ethics” and yes, it seems difficult to follow. Thanks for your clarifications here. Very much appreciated...
A cop in an Australian outback town with a better than average knowledge of Spinoza. Isn't it beautiful how learning appears in the unlikeliest places and among the unlikeliest people? Long live the liberal arts!
This guy is great, thanks for bringing me into the light of knowledge, not a lot of comments
Great video, thanks so much for explaining a complicated worldview in such approachable terms. Spinoza's ideas are inspiring.
I can't tell you how much these analysis videos help to clarify my own thoughts.
like other geniuses, Spinoza was way ahead of his time.
And his moustache too
Quite the opposite. He was quite late to this party.
@@MultiSciGeek late to the party, how so? everyone during his time were still worshipping the Judeo Christian God, my man.
@@metsrus Umm no. Maybe in like 20% of the world. Also everyone? Not even close. This was the time of the enlightenment mah man. And late because his ideas are just a recycling of a bunch of older ideas, as explained in the video.
They were all geniuses, ahead of his time by 20 years, that's not that difficult that's the problem.
Thank you!!!!! I just started Philosphy as a premaster due mainly to your and your channels influence, and now I'm struck with required reading of SPinoza's Ethics and it scared me a little 😅
But now I think I can jump back in with some understanding 🥰
what’s a pre-master?
Wonderful exposition! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
Wow this is such an interesting discusión, love this channel
Thank you for this wonderful video.
I would suggest if you are interested to do one about krishnamurti, it is not about the man but about the ideas he presented on how to make the world a better place.
I think his teachings are of something totally new to the common man. If you understand what he was trying to say, you will understand the belief of monism. As people can not understand these ideas where the self image exists in them.
I am sure you will be very interested in them
Thank you so much for sharing this. ... 🙏💎
I was thinking about the Unity of being as you were talking of Spinoza. As you say strong parallel there. Thanks!
I applaud Spinosa. I don't care personally about God or an idea of God, but what Spinosa did was: he made God bigger and much more significant than this geographically stuck, provisional God interfering with human affairs throughout history. Spinosa got very close to Yogig understanding of God as a source of all manifestation/creation and its connection, meaning God is an essence of all manifestations and without this essence, nothing can exist. what he missed is the way how to get reunited with this essence. from the source, through the manifestation back to the source. that is what Yoga teachings (if it is an authentic Yoga) are all about.
Yoga will lead you away from God
@@dorareynolds5304 Yahweh is a false and weak god. Plato's cosmic world soul is the designer
@@iansarmiento5991 you are so very wrong and there is no weakness in taking the sins of the world on a cross for all mankind including those that reject him….reconsider your words and repent before it’s to late he is also a forgiving God
After watching the video then reading through the comments I pleasantly found that this video drew very interesting and brilliantly minded people mostly in one accord, something that we just don't see all that often in today's world. Thank you all for being part of the solution.
loving the collection of images !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! amazing work
Great video, thank you. Spinoza's God reminds me of the description stated in The Kybalion, calling it the All.
Thank you so much for explaining the God Of Spinoza . Though I wasn't a student of Philosophy in my early life. But now I'm intrigued and really wanna dig it out . Your channels has so far been proved a great source of exploring philosophies.
You must be kidding me, I was just searching that in Arabic, within the same second I get you....... wow
The work of the universe is weird!
Maybe the future affects the past, like you 'seeing' this video in the future somehow made you think about this topic in the past
The Angel of the Library.
@@covalentbond7933 Huh?
@@flamixflame2685 xD just based on the idea of the past-present-future existing simultaneously, maybe there's some spillage idk
Your work is marvelous. They surely open our minds. And the best iş, you are very much unbeist. Thank You. ❤
Trying my best to stir my soup (the critical thinking and form some ideas and determine what to think about these academic teachings on this channel. Definately on of my favs.🌺
I agree with Spinoza, just never realized it until now, thank you, !!
3:50 just a timestamp for when I come back, great channel btw
I appreciate your work,thank you 💯
Excellent discussion. Thanks much!
Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you so much for posting. From a Catholic doctrinal viewpoint, we believe that God is 'reflected' in His creation and that we are required to live in the world but be detached from it. It is also important for us Catholics to believe that the world that God created is not to be despised because it is evil but because it is good i.e because it is good we can become attached to it, rather than God and as a result it can lead to moral ruin. Ne timeas.
I don't that's what leads to evil or moral ruin if your god would be aware of this predicament
@@miguelatkinson Unchanging, constant teaching of the Catholic Church, the Body of Christ. In hoc signo vinces +.
"The notion of God we typically had in the past was very anthropomorphic, we made " God , exactly like us, fickle, prone to mood swings, tantrums, sudden anger, prone to lay blame., jealous, wrath ful, vindictive etc.Instead? It is ,A process, all of nature and life make it up, an ever ongoing, evolving "happening". More of a verb, not a noun. not a " He or She".
I mean, would Theists not argue that it’s the other way around, and it is us who are modelled off him?
@@joshdawson5201 If we are then that God is not worth worshipping. You can choose to worship a Genocidal maniac. I certainly won't.
Very true!
Fascinating. Thanks Filip!
The nature videos are absolutely beautiful 💜
Really enjoyed this video. Many deep thanks from one small particle of God to another. Separation is an illusion.🙏
Excellent work. Made Spinosa theory of God crystal clear. very close to mysticism.
clearly not if u call his god mystical
I enjoy studying all things religious theological as well as great philosophers teachings well done on your video thanks God bless
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job..
Good one - well done
Thank you, another excellent one.
If one (me) was to delve into Spinoza's philosophy, without a background in the field, where would be a good place to start?
Can such a one get much out of directly reading, for example, ''The Ethics''?
I LOVE your work here.
8:09 It's interesting how this sounds exactly like what the bible said in John 1 vs 3: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."
John 1 Vs 1-4 says:
"1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was with God in the beginning.
3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4. In him was life, and that life was the light of men."
Not really, sounds like parallelomania.
Well explained. Yes complex indeed. As a Christian I consider myself a panentheist, since there is no part of the cosmos in which God is not in residence. However, consciousness is necessarily personal in my view and teleological. I can see why people find Spinoza so troubling hard to deal with. However if there is any transcendent aspect to reality beyond the cosmos, which is non- contingent, then it has to be Spirit. The scriptures testify that God is Spurit and he who would worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. By the way I'm not hung up on gender concerning God because I don't see anything between the legs of Spirit, male or female.
Wonderfully explained. I myself share your views on God
Well, that'd kind of run into Leibniz's contingency argument, don't you think? If the universe is full of contingent features, and every single thing in the universe is contingent, and "the universe" is nothing more than a name we give to a collection of these things, then it must be explainable by something that itself is not contingent. How could God be the creator or explanation of the universe, if God is part of the universe? (I'm a much more traditional Christian, and find the arguments of people like Leibniz and St Aquinas much more convincing than Spinoza).
There'd be very few Christians who would describe themselves as a pantheist, but wanted to get your take on how you think that is tenable. Thanks
@The Great Cornholio
You say the universe MUST be explained by something that itself is non-contingent. How do you know? And if you theorise that your speculated god can be non-contingent, then why not the universe itself?
You need to realy seek to know the true God not the god you created for yourself. There is reason Jesus Christ came as a man not woman. The same Bible you refer to says explicitly that Jesus Christ is the express image of God. Colossian 1.
I studied philosophy in college, but this vid reminded me of whence my world view arose. Going on 70 now, I forgot about Spinoza's place in my own spiritual and philosophical evolution - including forays into the world views of aboriginal/indigenous peoples around the world.
Thank you for this
I like that you dig into and try to pronounce the words, names etc. correctly brother... you did a better job than me lol. You got a new sub and a like. Keep going bro..
can you make a video about mullasadra. he is realy big here in iran replacing abi sina
Respect,admiration and affection to Iran from this U.S.A. citizen. The ignorant and small-minded can't run things forever,Masood.
P.S. - I'll be reading up on Mullasadra.
Beautiful Naturalism! The God of Spinoza renders all religious texts inert lol
Science/Empirical Study (the Spinoza skeptical/logical method, natural philosophy) does that against all the false religions. The God of Spinoza is just a good thought, not evidenced/falsifiable.
@@letsomethingshine just as the eye cannot see the mechanism of itself, so too material instruments cannot see or be used to observe the source of it all, which is God.
The concept of falsification. Is not applicable since it is only applicable to concepts, being a concept itself. God is beyond concepts as well as beyond existence and non existence.
No lol
@@sirfin459 -
On such terms, God becomes a catchall, a categorisation into which you can pour anything you wish to claim real according to your own a priori beliefs.
Beyond science, beyond empiricism, beyond modern rationalisation.
You may claim infinite substance, or modes or anything you like.
Question:
What do you do when falsification has already occured with a given definition of God?
Spinoza's God is contradicted by Hubble-Lemaitre's law and what was correctly inferred from that by Lemaitre:
That an expanding universe means a beginning, not a steady state universe ala Einstein or Hoyle etc. The infinite doesn't really play out very well in a finite universe. The CMB put the final nail in the coffin of a steady state universe.
Also the infinite, how does that work in the context of the laws of thermodynamics?
Also out of interest, but where does Spinoza get these ideas from in terms of his axioms? Are they simply revealed to him, in the same way a Pope is handed ex cathedra understanding/great wisdom directly from God or...? Hmmm of course he says no to such a notion. We shouldn't forget that Spinoza's God is not interested in the concerns of men. So given there is zero observational data, no empirical experiment, no rational logic, where do his axioms actually come from?
Did he just guess at the nature of the universe? As in singular substance, all of which is God and infinite modes etc?
It seems as plausible as tasting a candle to guess at the candle's nature ala Descartes.
Then there is his determinism. As a determinist I would welcome him with open arms, but then he sees the world as existing in the only way it could.
Well that doesn't fit with quantum mechanics, at all. So again another huge problem. Also couldn't be any different sounds an awful lot like extremely crude, mechanistic determinism. So he doesn't think that there are any choices to be made at all, no range of possible actions that are themselves shaped by cause and effect. He doesn't believe in a sophisticated, complex universe of cause and effect, where an immense number of inputs, and of people being both causes and effects, no he believes in the universe as a wound up clock, simply going through the inevitable motions as only it could.
Hmmm.
I give him a lot of credit given the time he was born into for very brave ideas, some radically so. But he cannot be taken seriously in the modern age.
I guess Einstein didn't pay much attention to his claims re the universe either. He makes all kinds of claims that deny the reality of existence as it was already known in Einstein's time, including the odd statement that actually denies the nature of the periodic table and the workings of molecules.
See people commenting that he is misunderstood? A god? Who went about having its followers write books? And is all powerful? Who is immaterial yet we have claims of people claiming it’s materializations wether they be from the sky or miracles? Yes very mysterious. Just like Santa clause and how he gets around the world too.
LOVE your authentic voice! And call me a nerd but this makes COMPLETE and ultimate sense to me! Lol I love learning about “god”. 😍🙌🏽🌍💖📚
This makes sense. The explanation and the concept.
Wait this sounds incredibly similar to Vedic concept of Brahman
Beautiful
Not necessarily. Depends on which Vedic philosophy you follow. There various schools of philosophy, carvaka, vaisheshika, nyaya, Vedanta(sub schools such as Advaita, Vishishtadvaita or Dvaita), Shaiva Siddhanta, Kashmiri Saivism, etc etc.
@@aarushsai2880 that concept doesn't exist in certain vedic philosophies such as Sankhya or Purva Mimansa.
It is a Vedantic, Shaiva, Vaishnav or Shakta concept.
It's the non-theistic alternative
Spinoza's God does not substract anything from my conventional understanding of God as handed down to me by my ancestors. On the contrary, Spinoza's God widens my limited perception of the God i worship and to whom i pray. Espinoza's God made me feel spiritually richer and even more tolerant of all believers and non-believers.
In fact, its actually against abrahamic religions.
Brillant as always!
uhmm....that poem is actually great. especially for someone who was not a writer. thank you for this great video.
The definition of Panentheism matches pretty well my position between pantheism and monotheism. I definetly believe in a metaphysical "god" existing also outside of space-time (aka this universe) and that it penetrates the whole universe and all essence.
Beliefs are a dime a dozen. Reasons for beliefs are far more important and informative.
I love this view, personally I’m a christian so I believe in the God we believe in but I agree with this as well
I read the ethics before reverting to islam and becoming a sufi, I identified on what he wrote and found a place in sufism
Absolutely Wonderful!!! :)