- "My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism." - Karl Marx, Father of Socialism - "We are trained Marxists." - Patrisse Cullors, Black Lives Matter Co-Founder
Nothing to do with anything John Piper said. You should try listening instead of looking to critique at every corner. Also, there is actually 0 evidence Karl Marx ever said that quote and he wasn't "the father of socialism" either. This tells me you aren't being honest and are just a reactionary. I pray that God opens your eyes past your stubbornness.
@@k1ngfalcongaming783 You should read your Bible. It has everything to do with what John Piper said. We don't "tolerate" heresy in the Church. We're not "divisive" for throwing it out. It's commanded. Read Galatians. Read Ja. 4:4. Just read a Bible.
Thank you Dr Piper for this discussion. God is watching and listening and will judge accordingly. A Black Pastor in Memphis said this about CRT.. "They have already made their minds up,” said Johnson, who is Black. “They could really care less if I tell them about the tenets of CRT.” Johnson, who is the longtime pastor of a church in Memphis, said he sees no contradictions between the study of critical theory and Christianity, despite claims by critics that CRT conflicts with the Christian gospel. Critical theory looks at the way race operates in society, said Johnson. It doesn’t say anything about salvation or theology or other spiritual concerns. But it can show, he said, the way sin can permeate any system. “It is not an indictment of white people,” Johnson said. “It is not an indictment of individuals or groups of individuals. It is an indictment of the system and it offers a way to repair the system. But they’re not interested in any of that. So don’t waste my time.”
Could y'all please pray for me? I am having unbelief and doubts in God, I hate it so much! I need God!! 😭 Please pray that instead of worrying, I trust and have faith in God. That my doubts and unbelief in God will disappear like it never even happened. Please pray that I will have nothing but confidence in his existence and he will always help me. Thank y'all so much!! God bless ya'll!! 🙏🏻❤️
Dear friend, I am praying for you to know the depth of the love of God for you. You are loved dearly and without restraint. By the death of His Son, God has declared that He will allow nothing to stand between Him and His love for you.
Please ask Jesus for more faith. Don't try to drum it up. When you read God's word, ask him to help you believe every word. Pray Psalm 27 "One thing I ask and this is what I seek, that I may live on the house of the Lord ALL the days of my life and to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord". God answers our prayers. I will be praying for you now.
I’m right there with you Shilah. I have had struggles with doubts for much of my Christian life, at times utterly agonizing. I don’t see it altogether as a bad thing though. For as you persevere in faith and cling to Christ, you show fruit of being a child of God, for the dead do not desire to know or honor him. Yet not even your perseverance is enough, for your hope must be only in the mercy and kindness of God, who has proven his love in sending Jesus for you and has given witness to himself and the coming judgment by raising Jesus from the dead. Look to Jesus, not yourself, and as it was already suggested, be with fellow believers who can speak and minister God’s grace to you. I also recommend reading The Whole Christ by Sinclair Ferguson, about 5 times or until symptoms improve 😄. Grace be with you!
I heard critical race theory explained by an advocate for it and he said it is analyzing economic and social issues theu the lense of race. Which to me make it wrong even before knowing the biblical reasons why it is wrong. If someone looks for racism in anything they are going to find it, mainly because to a hammer everything is a nail kind of thing. Critical race theory essentially makes racists of people who claim to be anti-racists.
We must stay close to the gospel, we must cling to Christ. Looking into his perfect holiness continually will expose the darkness of our hearts, in whatever form that depravity is manifesting itself.
From @10:15 thru 11:24 and I quote, "Critical race theory...tries to understand and challenge...the power and oppression relationships that have marked racial groups historically and still do today. Now it's true that a focus on groups... and the focus on power...can skew our understanding and yield _unhelpful_ strategies, yes that's true, nevertheless those very focuses, misleading as they might be, _can also reveal insights that may be strategically helpful in moving toward greater justice_ ." *_WRONG_*
LenGarden It’s amazing isn’t it? He acknowledges that CRT has so many valid points and he has spent years teaching some of its core tenets yet admits it’s unbiblical at the very end of the video. What did I miss?? I feel like there is a lot of confusion on his end so I’m going to pray for him, but honestly I am tired of all this double speak from Evangelicals. This is why we are NOT taken seriously. Let’s move away from what the world thinks and just focus on the Bible PLEASE.
@@eternallyfearless8537 I think it's too simplistic to just say 'let's focus on the bible'. Indeed, our source of truth is the bible, but at some point, the Christians must engage with the world. We use the bible to discern if what someone is saying is right or wrong. Piper is saying that there are biblical ideas in what it hopes to do, but its source, its reasoning and its ultimate outcomes are unbiblical. An example might be a secular theory that hopes to stop theft, but the reasoning is that everything ought to belong to me. Yes, we want to stop theft from a biblical perspective, but that reasoning is just completely wrong. We must acknowledge that the best lies are those with truth mixed in, and so the bible allows us to discern truth in the midst of all the lies of the world. To talk to people, we have to show them where their error is exactly, not ignore what they have to say.
Why Piper, do you express such charity for an anti-Christian doctrine, critical theory? Bear the sword! In so doing, you cut out the cancer and save the patients. The main things are the plain things and THEY have the POWER that we are called to use.
How are you or others currently using those plain things to help others and improve conditions now or plan to do so in the immediate future. Please share how in the context of the word of God that is done, backed up by scripture, and proves effective for addressing the issues of effects of oppression, suppression, inequity, harsh or at the least treatment lacking in empathy, compassion, or awareness? Keeping in mind some narratives about the APPLICATION and INTERPRETATION of the word is NOT necessarily universal and perfect even throughout the church (His Bride). Sometimes we are NOT jointly fit together. So how do we recognize our very clear differences but galvanize around our very true similarity in Christ and make things better? I'm not exactly here for debate on how we got here....because there IS an historical perspective and it is NOT pretty and is NOT biblical. But here we are and according to the word we ARE supposed to do greater things...and we can do all things thru Him. As we are DOERS of the word. So....lets use the God breathed inspired word to make change. With or without CRT. My concern is the understanding of ChRIsT and His ways and how we apply that today to the turmoil we face. Esp when everyone has a role to play. Some like us here and Pastor here have a platform to use what can a man of God with over 1/2 million followers do....or any 1 of us?
@@LamarPhillips Thanks for your post with many good points. You asked for Scripture so I'll ask that we consider together 1 Cor. 1:10 thru chapter end. There Paul, addressing divisions in the church, highlights several truths for our meditation. I will humbly submit that CT is an example of "the wisdom of the wise" that God thwarts (v.19, ESV). I leave the application of the remainder of the chapter to you. --Blessings.
@@LamarPhillips Galatians 1:9 and the whole book. When someone teaches heresy, we cast them out and tell the whole world that they're teaching damnable lies.
So thankful that Pastor Piper has explained this from a Biblical perspective with much clarity. I wasn't sure what to make of CRT until now. As much as I believe that there are many problems in our society having to do with racial inequality, CRT doesn't seem to be the right answer. I wish there was a Biblical answer to this problem. I think there is, but just not sure what it is.
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life. while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what he says Proverb (3:27;21:26;22:9 ,,Deu.28:1-5) contact the MD of the orphanage foundation WhatsApp:(+2349064374487)or Email:(saviourfoundation111@gmail.com) send your donation to them.God bless you.....
By the grace of GOD! I am well fed! Pastor John, thank you graciously. I did not know how to understand fully how to truly, critically go deeper into the world of GOD, but today I have been shown how. I as a unable to fully grasp CRT at its root and then break it down, however, you took me back to college and the remembrance of Critical Thinking and its levels of process, from comprehension to evaluation. Now I am confident in the providences of GOD a bit greater. As a black man, I saw some things that i understood, but hearing so many speak with utter disdain not just for CRT, but spiritually discerning that they were also utterly disdaining those who speak on it. Now that I have heard the fundamental issues and flaws with it, I am now knowlegable to it's detrimental affects on the Church and the world of GOD. Thank you Pastor John! I have so much more to thank God for this most holy day approaching. Thank You!
This is the most God glorifying from the heart I've heard on the reality of the CRT divide. Thanks Piper that there's still those operating with biblical reason and from a heart of highly matured Biblical Love.
I love John Piper but his attempt to split the baby (so to speak) of CRT is misguided. Any supposed redeeming qualities of CRT is merely pretext for deceit. Piper himself lands in the right place but I fear he gives place in the body of believers for subtle yet damning error.
I’m so disappointed Pastor John. CRT this is false teaching as the false teaching of the JW‘s would say Jesus is a created God. It must be completely denounced repudiated with no compromise at all. You are too smart to experienced as a pastor to not see this.
This is why I’m only supporting pastors/ministries that are crystal clear in their repudiation of this nonsense. I don’t want to hear that CRT is sinful one day and then listen to a sermon that expounds on it the next. Toooo much doublespeak and lenience toward certain world views in many mainline denominations right now, and as much as I’d like us to get along I view CRT as inherently sinful and my conscience is affected by the obsessive emphasis on RACE. As Christians we are one race and I don’t appreciate being told I need to backtrack into some fleshly preoccupation with skin color. It feels evil and demonic.
Perhaps taking another listening opportunity is in order... because though his address entailed numerous intricacies there's an incongruence in what you're saying with what he stated.
The Main Point, for the impatient: 19:23 - 23:43 "The claim to have an infallible Bible undermines the fundamental assumption of Critical Race Theory. That fundamental assumption is that human identity is self constructed, not God given. Any group, therefore, that claims to have access to an infallible word of God that dictates human identity and human right and wrong is a manifest threat to human autonomy and within the frame of reference of CRT can only be understood as a group that is trying to seize power, particularly white power, since most of the confessions of faith in the history of the Church that espouse Biblical infallibility have been written by white men. CRT, in its generic definition as a quest for understanding the history of oppression in race relations and present attitudes and structures that continue that oppression is a worthy quest. CRT in its more essential definition including its mainstream assumptions and conclusions is a manifestation of the age old enslavement of the fallen human heart, to self deification: I will be my own God ; and self definition: I will define my own essential identity; and self determination: I will decide my own truth and morality without reference or deference towards any authority outside myself. Therefore to try to make progress in racial justice, racial respect and racial harmony by absorbing the assumptions and categories and conclusions and strategies of CRT is a dead end street. CRT is not a problem because it raises the challenge of racial justice, respect, harmony and glory. *It is a problem because it fails us as we try to take up these challenges in a hopeful, Christ-exalting way.* Inside CRT God is small and negligible. Inside CRT, the Bible is small and negligible. Truth is small and negligible and evil is big and there is no answer for it. None. It is a hopeless path. Tragically hopeless. But, inside that infallible word called the Bible, there is an absolutely explosive redemption and blood-bought reconciliation and Christ-exalting harmony. And the failures of the Church historically and today cannot cancel it. It is there. And if we were more saturated by God’s word, and more broken by God’s word and humble and submitted to that word in all of its radical ramifications, there would be hope. Oh, there is hope."
Pastor John, I am certain you have many great definitions, interpretations, and conceptions - this may not exactly be one of them that is completely seen objectively. At the very least I believe that this stance does not look at the lens of every created being. I have to go to work soon and cannot give all of the thoughts I have on this subject. Know this, I am a Christian and have been nearly my entire life (as long as I can remember and officially since being 7 years old). I looked into CRT myself. As an educator, who studies both current trends, and education foundations and history - as well as one who takes long, looks into the biblical history and doctrinal studies of multiple "denominations" and division in the Church (it is sad that they exist because there is only ONE Christ, but they do exist) - I see that the use of the 2 Tim 3:16-17 has often had some negative consequences for various groups of people. I am not saying that it is wrong per se (following your concept of an infallible Word of God), but it's application by those parties who use and promote oppressive practices. I cannot defend all of the parties that make use of or pay attention to CRT, but your stance that it is akin to the same interpretation and historical analysis of homophobia and transphobia is off in my opinion. I will at least say (while I do not totally disagree about some things you say) that too many people put gender, sexual orientation, and race together. Even those who are a part of the LGBT(etc) community do so. I won't speak on if those orientations are a choice or not, but race definitely is not a choice. Nor is the treatment one receives a choice. Similarly, those who continue to perpetuate beliefs that stem from concepts that lead to acceptance of status quo treatment, even if it is harmful are not necessarily INITIALLY choosing this. Yet when one becomes aware of the systemic need for change and tries to identify a stronghold that is taught, promoted, and nurtured it is important to look at why and determine how to address this. Even Jesus noted bias and separation among various peoples (the woman at the well) and rose above it. Even the very popular depiction of Jesus across the world gives pause to (not the WORD of God) but the concept of much of how it is interpreted or portrayed. People of color are often, even now, are at some disadvantage. At the very core, the interpretation can be off. What person that is biblically described as having hair of lambswool and color of bronze can look anything like the pictures we see. However, that's what is promoted. The same is true in education and history throughout the western world. The so-called dominant culture pushes the narrative: geography set to a narrative that promotes colonialism, manifest destiny, denying religion, cultures, and altering artifacts, misrepresenting history - multiple things taught as standard education - documented...these things have deep psychological, economic, political, tangible, physical results, and yes - spiritual as well. So (there is so much more to discuss) - I can't say that CRT is perfect, but the denouncing of it sounds so similar to the concept of questioning the curious stances the church takes because it will confuse and taint people. It seems short of calling people ignorant sheep. I DO see the Good Shepherd in my life with regard to spiritual belief, but not a shepherd that doesn't give me a mind to think and analyze and question (Paul liked the Bereans because they reasoned and studied for themselves). Some of the greatest apologists that I have heard of started off as atheists and agnostics. Let people think, question, discover. Is God not so great and awesome and loving that HIS truth will not be found? NOT the truth of every person that claims Him but not ALL of Him. I never saw where God invented racism or oppression - yet it exists (sometimes..in the name of God)????? Before I get written off as a radical or anti-anything. Just know I love God, His people, and even my enemies - but I won't promote deeper understanding, nor healing but shutting down anyone else. I watched both videos and I would love to have further DISCUSSION on this with facts, historical references, and to both LISTEN and be HEARD from each others' lens AND with the Word sitting next to us. I want others to take a walk in MY shoes and vice versa before we consider having had the final word. Is THAT a possibility? My doctoral work, btw, is NOT necessarily in this field (although it affects it)...but since the 1st DAY I went to Christian camp at 7 and since being introduced to the church at 5 these concepts have never gone away. As I studied history...it has ALWAYS been present. So let's talk about it openly and freely without bias (or as much as possible), or at least understand any implicit bias that may be present and learn from it.
@@EvangelineRudolph Thank you. I do not want to dominate the conversation. I also don't want all people that have an issue to be misrepresented. If we do NOT use critical race theory then please offer another lens (according to the word of God) that addresses the issues of systemic racism and oppression that DO REALLY exist. Not you, or any of us specifically, but we NEED to address this. It is NOT going away. Especially in western society. Equity and Inequality and unfair treatment abound and those with influence MUST be a part of the equation in helping to educate others. It won't happen with our lack of ability to empathize and energize and mobilize others through compassionate concerned work that embraces the oppressed.
I think my struggle with this current evangelical trend against CRT is that the right-wing political scheme in America is just as damaging, just as unbiblical as CRT is argued to be. Though CRT might benefit me as a Black woman, I love Jesus enough to admit that it is a skewed, biased theory that perpetuates divisiveness. However, I’d like to see the same critiques against right-wing politics. Both CRT & right-wing politics (left-wing politics too!), in my humble opinion, divide people. Therefore, if our goal is to be more Christ-like, the church should abandon ALL theories & political schemes that promote division & strictly stick to the infallible Word of God. We should stop trying to be of the world & cause social changes through secular means & instead unite in Christ, make more disciples of all nations & spread the Word of God in Spirit & truth. I don’t think critiquing CRT makes folks of color feel the love of Christ as much as other methods, like simply teaching the Gospel, would.
@@tracijenningsesq.5203 I cannot disagree with you. I wonder, however, if NOT CRT, then what do we use to see through the lens of what makes us comfortable (well some of us anyway). The issues which CRT attempts to address are real. They can't be explained away...actually not even prayed away. "men ought always pray"...watch and pray. Be hearers and DOERS of the word. When there is injustice a stand must be taken. The problem is that some (even in the church) do not see injustice. They sometimes see color blindness. Where is that biblical? God did, indeed, make us different. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. and SHOULD be jointly fit together. But some enjoy other privileges that they may be unaware of because they know nothing else. The opposite is true too. Let's fully apply ALL of the word of God. That's all. KNOW that there ARE differences and they should be celebrated. It's not divisiveness to say I grew up over here. I learned this. I am treated like this. I need help understanding and accomplishing. I am your brother. I will help you. I am your keeper. I will not silence you nor ignore you nor minimize you. So if not this, then what, how, and when? I am open to the possibilities....in the most Godly and thorough and swift fashion. Is anything to hard for God?
@@LamarPhillips I believe the lens should be treating everyone equally and respectfully as image-bearers of God. I do think that some understanding of how this hasn’t been accomplished in America is necessary. I don’t think CRT should be the lens, because it technically just flips the power scheme, rather than being entirely equitable. I think this argument against CRT in evangelical circles seems to pacify individuals who do not want to recognize injustices. It’s such a sticky situation, because while I do not propose the rich are stolen from or whites are treated unfavorably, I do believe there has to be some mature recognition of “America has poorly treated people on the basis of color, it impacts people’s’ lives on multiple levels, and going forward as CHRISTIANS, we should individually adopt the ways of Christ by ensuring we do not fall prey to systemic ills.” I don’t think CRT should be applied to Christians because it essentially seeks to oppress one group that has historically been seen as the oppressor. It’s not a biblical approach. BUT, neither is this idea of pretending disparities don’t exist. I think there has to be an ACTIVE stance taken by the church as a whole that involves acknowledging ills of this country and intentionally adopting Christ’s view of everyone as people made in the image of God. That involves a stance against CRT’s “solutions” and it involves a stance against the left wing & the right wing. In my opinion again lol
I also now understand that the two statements given or at least the last at minimum is the very ideology of thought behind Women's rights regarding abortion and sexual expression.
The problem with this video, and the argument against CRT that many Christians are making, is that it is entirely possible (common even) to be a critical race theorist that disagrees with both of the outrageous, unbiblical statements Pastor John brings up. Arguing against "mainstream scholarly expression" when talking to somebody, like myself, who doesn't take cues from Ibram Kendi or Angela Parker, is the easy way out. It's unhelpful and creating division where there shouldn't be any.
Can you expound please? And furthermore can you, or anyone else, give a basic definition of the who, what, when why and how and even the where behind the framework of CRT and its uses to analyze situations. I asked some other scholars and the name(s) mentioned by Pastor John do not resonate with them. So is he talking about CRT at its foundation or specifically as applied to behavioral and sociological analysis of the church. In education these people aren't the parties who are at the core. I digress I want to understand more of what you are trying to say
@@LamarPhillips Critical theory is an approach to social philosophy which focuses on providing a reflective assessment and critique of society and culture in order to reveal and challenge power structures. It started in 1930s Germany; Wikipedia has more info on it, and I'm not a sociologist. The main thing that definition and a basic understanding of critical theory offers is that critical theory is a framework, not the conclusions of the people who used that framework. There are many common conclusions that critical theorists come to, but using those to define critical theory is allowing the tail to wag the dog. Pastor John and Niel Shenvi, by using conclusions as their definition (cherry picked conclusions at that; who even is Angela Parker?), are sidestepping the difficult conversations we need to have in the church in favor of blanket dismissals of their brother's and sister's concerns. Critical race theory is just a branch of regular critical theory that focuses primarily on racial power structures. It started in the 80s and has it's own Wiki.
@@james35813 In all honesty with no insult, you providing a drive-by understanding following up with a cursory mobile summary verdict... with a disclaimer tacked on for good measure. CRT unto its own end is the secular abuse of atheistic self-actualization (existence precedes essence)... Piper is not giving credence to such a thing but rather it's the American church and their obstinance towards self-examination that reveals itself to be the problem. Self-segregation of Christian congregations is the demonstration of this very point. American churches are the ones with this distinct phenomenon... That will not tolerate or hear any discussion that is beyond what are designated boundaries. Christians that look similar congregate with each other and quite honestly condescend to others who don't. This is a fact- and it's not what one sees in Christian martyr publications. Please put more into it than wiki-understanding.
@@scottcarter1689 You're all over the map with that reply and it makes it hard for me to respond. Are you disagreeing with my definition? Are you arguing that CRT, defined as a framework, is inherently atheist? That it is the cause of self-segregated churches?
Critical Theory comes from the Frankfurt School, which was a Marxist think-tank that came from Frankfurt, Germany and took up residence at Columbia University from 1930 to the late ‘40s. Because violent class revolution was not occurring how Marx had supposed it would, the Frankfurt school proposed sociological means of instituting communism by undermining Judeo-Christian values, families, and injecting Marxism into academia, education, government, media, churches, etc. Critical Theory, CRT, multiculturalism, postmodernism, etc. are fruits of the Frankfurt School and Marxism. The idea is come to maximum discord between identity groups and destroy culture, to create anomie, destroy social cohesion, etc.
I think that ultimately, this is the only conclusion possible that also squares with Biblical teachings. CRT is an effort to explain perceived injustice, but it is an entirely worldly philosophy. In its view God is irrelevant and is only ever added as an afterthought. It divides society by race in the same way that Marxism divides it by class, and leads only to further division and contention, which are not of God and should not be pursued by people that follow Him. Racism and Christianity are incompatible to begin with (although many Christians have fallen into it) because we should treat everyone the same and always seek peace and fellowship with our brethren. Racism and the injustices wrought by it are products of a fallen society and imperfect people. Our eyes should be on God.
"it is rightly contested" That is right and like you said that this has a historical position. Yet you spend a whole episode making a point to stop people from calling someone who is using CRT, that they are using CRT because it is pajorative (or mean). Im not sure where you are heading in your thinking but you missed the fact that the gospel does not see race or oppression as a cultural problem and therefore it cannot be beneficial to Christians.
This explanation of CRT is elementary at best. His summary starts like this, "Critical Race Theory in it's generic definition as a quest for understanding the history of oppression in race relations and the present attitudes and structures that continue that oppression, is a worthy quest." He ends the summary by saying that the deeper meaning of CRT is that man is trying to "be my own god"....So you say, "well he came out against it, what is your problem?" The problem is that John Piper misunderstands CRT. I fear that the charity John gives CRT, will end up destroying his legacy of spreading the Gospel by his failure to protect the church from this lie. The Gospel IS the solution to the enmity that divides humanity. Take a page from from the JustThinking crew: justthinking.me/ep-108-critical-race-theory/
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life. while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what he says Proverb (3:27;21:26;22:9 ,,Deu.28:1-5) contact the MD of the orphanage foundation WhatsApp:(+2349064374487)or Email:(saviourfoundation111@gmail.com) send your donation to them.God bless you.....
Great description...thank you! It doesn't matter how you explain something, there will always be atacks from both sides...thank you for at leaest trying to answer the question as best you can...I appreciate that...John Piper will never speak plain enough to satisfy everybody...GOD bless you brother...❣❣❣
After listening to this, it sounds like his views are that education about groups with power and marginalized groups in regards to race and other areas is a good thing, but that people can take what is a good thing and make conclusions that are unrelated, which would be a bad thing? I guess I'm just wondering if Critical Race Theory could be a good thing if not taken the direction that Piper criticizes. I think there are many people who would want further education in power and oppression, especially in regards to race, gender, etc. but who don't agree with the things that Piper also doesn't agree with. So then I wonder where Christians are supposed to go to learn more about the systematic racism and oppression in their culture and location, what resources are available. It feels like if people in the Church don't want CRT, the Church should offer a specific theory for these issues in these times as well, based on Biblical principles. A specific theory to address racial inequalities that exist in our time, and what needs to change to help those who are marginalized. Thoughts?
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life. while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what he says Proverb (3:27;21:26;22:9 ,,Deu.28:1-5) contact the MD of the orphanage foundation WhatsApp:(+2349064374487)or Email:(saviourfoundation111@gmail.com) send your donation to them.God bless you.....
God made me white and I’m not apologizing for it. Not anymore. I’m Southern and I’m not apologizing for that anymore either. My ancestors were poor and that means we didn’t own slaves!!! Even if I did come from a plantation pedigree, I’m not apologizing for it. I wasn’t born yet. Growing up in eastern NC among tobacco fields and the crap bullying and beats and curses I received from blacks on my school bus where I was one of three white kids; seriously there are some black people who need to repent to me for their sins committed against me. So the Bible tells me so. It has taken decades to shake off the public school indoctrination I received. Public school education is a social experiment gone wrong. It was a waste of my time 70% of the time. I dare anyone to come at me this CRT CRAP. Please. Seriously.
I am sorry you endured such things. There is no sweeping description of anyone that can be true of everyone. Unfortunately, I don't know if everyone is looking at the full picture here. I DO see race and think it is wonderful. I have a crayon box full of brothers and sisters and multiple economic and historical backgrounds. Many of my friends are educators and due to what, how, and where we teach we love each other and our kids enough to have tough conversations. They don't have to apologize to me for who they are. If I'm mad it's because you did something stupid or hurt me specifically. We talk and then we hug and it's over. But we DO know how to address things because of our common passion. We go to each other's weddings and watch each others' kids and eat and cry and laugh together and will bust you upside your head if you mess with any one of our crayon kids. But we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater without making an effort to solve and address long-term issues. We weren't' born back in the day either. But we are here now with issues in our laps and we lovingly try to get things done and make it better for our kids in the future. Lizzie your treatment wasn't right and those people SHOULD repent. True. But we have to keep on working so it doesn't continue for anybody. I would hope that as we see and use the word of God as we apply it correctly and make positive change...with or without CRT, but we can't act like nothing is wrong. Thank you for speaking your truth. It is important to hear and valid
@@LamarPhillips I appreciate your view. I’m not sure what you mean when say “speak your truth.” Every time people have said that, it refers to a relative truth. If it’s true TO ME, then it’s my truth. I get to define truth for me. Okay that’s not biblical. Something is either true or it it is not. And God is the arbiter and determiner of truth. And always in alignment with His Word. So what do you mean?
@@lizinaz2480 i suppose a better phrase is honestly and authentically sharing. I can't speak for others but when I say YOUR TRUTH I mean what is real and poignant and relevant to you. I think people sometimes espouse positions and thoughts that may be true but not relevant or miss the point from which the original speaker was coming. If I responded to you and hinted at some BLM stance it would not validate what you were talking about. You were saying what mattered to you. There was a biblical context AS APPLIED to you...not someone else in THIS conversation. You weren't making blanket statements, were you? It was personal and I appreciate that
@@LamarPhillips okay. Something can be true but not right. According to God’s standards as revealed in His Word. It is “true” what happened to me. At the same time, God’s word tells me it was wrong. And those people should have been punished / disciplined. But the black school bus driver did nothing. And the black principal did nothing. For SIX years. 🧐 what my parents should have done was take me out if that school. I’m still not digging the use of “your truth” lingo. It’s too vague and trite nowadays. Public “government-run” education is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars and frothy in its corruption.
@@lizinaz2480 If I flipped it around and rattled off hundreds or thousands of stories like yours that went the other direction in the past and still happen today ...even to the tune of lost lives and nothing happens that would be insensitive and almost invalidate your very real and painful experience...that was very wrong. Someone should have stood up. There needed to be an agent of change...and advocate...not just your situation should have been changed but the system that perpetuated it right? Ethical and biblical truth calls for it right? Still true today.. you and that stance are right? Where is it? Who does it? Where are the platforms and mouthpieces? It can start with us and Pastor John and everyone making and reading these comments. The word of God is infallible and Christ died for all the wrongs and sins past present and future but we don't keep living that way. We show others the way. Who's doing what? And How? I don't want another person to say what is right or wrong if a solution doesn't follow behind their statements. A strategy. If you're going to speak biblically then speak truth to power and let's see what happens. If someone wants to shoot down a perspective then what are you using in its place......per the word of God? Btw Lizzie....lol...I'm a 26-year vet of education and taught in public health 10 years prior to that sooo ... lol I know the system isn't perfect. We have many changes to make. My private studio education and other endeavors can help but in our country, each state runs education according to our US constitution so we have a lot of work to do. The church should be a part of it strategically and influence what is right.....I guarantee others will attempt the opposite
The church is being tested. Do we trust God and his word and is his salvation and promises enough? Or do we yearn to go back to Egypt (our old sin life) instead of waiting for God to lead us to his promised land? Are we free in Christ or do we want to be free of Christ? Is God holy? Or do we think we are holy? God will purify his church with the refiners fire into the purest of gold as he molds us into what he wants us to be. The bride of Christ. His holy church. His elect. The body of Christ. His remnant. The true Israel. The one whom Christ then calls his brethren. For the glory of the LORD. Holy holy holy. Worthy of all praise and all honor and all dominion. Worthy is the Lord God the lamb who was slain.
@@drsuessre14 Kendi isn't a Christian as far as I can tell. Parker is the one who was quoted as having spoken at an Evangelical conference, but I can't find a video or anything of it.
Is Piper a traditional Trinitarian? @ 2:43 seems like an unusual definition of Yahweh God - separating the Father from the Son. Help me understand this phrasing...
Learning. Listening. Doing the work. When it comes to racial bridge-building for black people, Be the Bridge places a lot of the focus on listening to and learning from people without color. But there’s also some important internal work that black people need to do as well. When black people don’t understand some of the basic tenets of blackness, it’s hard to fully engage in the work of racial reconciliation. For this reason, we have created a resource that breaks down the Four B’s: 1. Black Supremacy 2. Black Fragility 3. Black Identity 4. Black Privilege
Why is this not information black people already know and understand? Black people live very segregated lives, benefitting from NOT knowing and engaging with their racial reality. Black people are most likely to live in racially homogenous communities and least likely to come into contact with people racially different from themselves.
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life. while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what he says Proverb (3:27;21:26;22:9 ,,Deu.28:1-5) contact the MD of the orphanage foundation WhatsApp:(+2349064374487)or Email:(saviourfoundation111@gmail.com) send your donation to them.God bless you.....
Could possibly have been helpful 10, 5, or even 1 year ago. I have loved and been helped by John Piper for so long but he has FAILED to lead and even now there is way to much deference to false teaching - this failure to lead may (unless God gives us grace) allow us all to see the "radical ramifications" of CRT. Also, it does matter what questions you ask and CRT IS a problem because it raises the wrong questions.
Much of evangelical church leadership has failed us in these areas in recent times. The church is being tested with refining fire. Is Christ our all in all or not?
Be careful what accusations you make towards God Elect. Just because he didn't lead in the way you see fit, doesn't mean that he didn't lead. People running around acting like this silliness is the world coming to an end. In the meantime, he's actually preaching about the world coming to an end... smh. *(Isaiah 8:12-13)* *“Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread. But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.* God is still on the throne.
I can see why the theory would call out the concepts of inerrancy and authority of Scriptures; errant and fallable individuals, throughout history, have appealed to the inerrancy and authority of Scriptures to justify atrocities. There is a difference between believing the Bible is inerrant and believing our personal interpretation is inerrant. We all believe that our beliefs are right, otherwise we wouldn't hold to those beliefs. So the Bible was used by many to justify Southern slavery and other racism. It's been used to justify killing people of other religions (crusades), drowning paedobaptists and anabaptists, the chemical castration of homosexuals, and is used today to justify spousal rape. We have Doug Wilson authoring a book on how Southern slavery was good for black people and writing things like virginity is a woman's crowning glory, sexual sin isn't the same for men and women, and his wife writing that since the Bible says you don't own your body in marriage men can't ever be "unwelcome" in their "own garden" (you can't rape your own wife).The ACBC uses the Bible to claim that schizophrenia is a choice and therefore most schizophrenics can't be Christians and Masters Seminary teaches that women should be willing to die like martyrs for the faith in the face of domestic violence in order to be missionaries to their husbands. And even that it is good for kids to see their mom's getting abused for the sake of the kingdom. And a whole segment of Christians believe in Christian reconstruction and the only, which would place non-believers under Christian morality enacted by civil government. So there is a pretty rich history in the world of men and especially white men using the TRUTH that the Bible is the inerrant authoritative word of God, to justify their own interpretations as therefore inerrant and authoritative for all peoples. So, if I'm looking at concepts of systemic racism, it does become concerningly dangerous for a group of individuals to claim that they have the words of God and are justified in using those words to potentially persecute other groups. I can see why a secular theory would find it difficult to believe you can be anti-racist if you also claim you have a book that is the ultimate authority over everyone and depending on your interpretation...may allow you to justify keeping slaves, ignoring abuse, objectifying women, and dictating your "morality" on others.
I have a comment for both sides: CRT: the Bible wasn't written by white men... PJ: Based on your previous episode, couldn't we appreciate at least the effort CR theorist put into fighting injustice, knowing that they themselves don't understand or know Truth? What can we really expect from people who are angry with injustice but don't know Jesus? I think theories like this is the natural result.
CRT? nope...not WRITTEN by white men....but used and interpreted and decisions were made "because" of it. Many decisions and actions may not have TRULY been biblically based...but that is/was the argument used. So THAT needs to be addressed. Some of it is historical and some current. PJ? I agree - appreciate the effort and try to steer in the right direction but do NOT for one minute ignore injustices. In fact...consider how to JESUS deal with injustice? Look it up. How do we use the same example? How did others recorded in the word do so? Are there clues for us to use? When we look at the bible...were the same issues addressed? If so, let's get to it. If not, let's recognize that. I'm not PROMOTING CRT - but stating - we better think of SOMETHING. Things are getting more volatile each day.
"No wild beast are such dangerous enemies to men as Christians are toward one another." - Ammianus Marcellinus, Roman Soldier, Historian (330AD - 400AD)
“He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man. Say to it: This is what the Lord God says: Breath, come from the four winds and breathe into these slain so that they may live!”” Ezekiel 37:9 CSB
You know what. Just read James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose’s book Cynical Theories. This man is not a serious thinker and doesn’t know the fullest nature of CRT. He seems to think one can Christianize CRT. Piper has no wisdom.
Finally you say it in the end John. It’s wrong because it’s not of Christ and it denies God’s full testimony of truth. It presents the same lie in the garden that we could exercise our own will to power over God and his law and each other. Only in Christ is there true freedom and salvation from our sin and also from the circumstances of sin (racism suffering etc). “What then? Are we any better off? Not at all! For we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin, as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away; all alike have become worthless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one. Their throat is an open grave; they deceive with their tongues. Vipers’ venom is under their lips. Their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and wretchedness are in their paths, and the path of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that whatever the law says, it speaks to those who are subject to the law, so that every mouth may be shut and the whole world may become subject to God’s judgment. For no one will be justified in his sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin comes through the law.” Romans 3:9-20 CSB
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life. while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what he says Proverb (3:27;21:26;22:9 ,,Deu.28:1-5) contact the MD of the orphanage foundation WhatsApp:(+2349064374487)or Email:(saviourfoundation111@gmail.com) send your donation to them.God bless you.....
I will remember fondly Pastor John best sermons in my hearing were the "Bondage of the will" which changed my spiritual worldview on predestination and election and the preaching at Passion 2017....the ultimate essence of evil. Foundational for me! Now this.....its sad.
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life. while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what he says Proverb (3:27;21:26;22:9 ,,Deu.28:1-5) contact the MD of the orphanage foundation WhatsApp:(+2349064374487)or Email:(saviourfoundation111@gmail.com) send your donation to them.God bless you.....
I will try my best. Feel free to ask questions! There is a set of ideas called Critical Race Theory. In some ways, it is helpful for thinking about how race functions in America today, and how race impacts people's lives today. But. There are some big problems. In their main form these ideas don't account for God. It makes the struggle for justice the only standard by which you can measure truth. That's wrong, because God and his word are the standard for truth. However, just because you see a Christian saying stuff similar to things that Critical Race Theory says doesn't mean that they've abandoned the Bible as truth, and you need to ask specific questions to understand them and their heart.
Three parts to the answer. 1 - First is that as Christians we must try not to slander and accuse other Christians. We must do what we can to create peace among each other, and we must acknowledge that God is truth, love, and submit to His ultimate authority. (this was in the previous episode) 2 - CRT is the theory that society is composed of groups locked in a constant struggle (for wealth, for rights, etc.) where one group is supreme and others are oppressed - specifically in America, that the white race oppresses people of color and was designed and constructed to reinforce that. In this view, people are not individuals formed by God but only members of their identity group and everything must be viewed through this framework. In this view, God and Christ have no role to play. There are only people groups oppressing each other for worldly benefits. 3 - John Piper is arguing that CRT can't jibe with the Christian faith because it dismisses God's power and authority and instead focuses on and promotes division and worldly interests, which goes directly against Biblibal teachings.
CRT comes from the Frankfurt School, a Marxist think tank from 1930-? It looks at the world through that Marxist lens of a great power struggle between groups. Since the class-based Marxism wasn’t creating socialist revolution as Marx had supposed, the idea was to inject maximum discord by pitting identity groups against one another. The idea is any white person has more privilege than any non-white person. Any man has more privilege than any woman. And if you have a position of privilege you have no right to speak and be heard.
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- "My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism." - Karl Marx, Father of Socialism
- "We are trained Marxists." - Patrisse Cullors, Black Lives Matter Co-Founder
Nothing to do with anything John Piper said. You should try listening instead of looking to critique at every corner.
Also, there is actually 0 evidence Karl Marx ever said that quote and he wasn't "the father of socialism" either. This tells me you aren't being honest and are just a reactionary. I pray that God opens your eyes past your stubbornness.
@@k1ngfalcongaming783 it's not biblical. Bottom line.
Eliminate racism from the planet and accomplish nothing to satisfy the coming wrath.
@@k1ngfalcongaming783 You should read your Bible. It has everything to do with what John Piper said. We don't "tolerate" heresy in the Church. We're not "divisive" for throwing it out. It's commanded. Read Galatians. Read Ja. 4:4. Just read a Bible.
Thank you Dr Piper for this discussion. God is watching and listening and will judge accordingly. A Black Pastor in Memphis said this about CRT..
"They have already made their minds up,” said Johnson, who is Black. “They could really care less if I tell them about the tenets of CRT.” Johnson, who is the longtime pastor of a church in Memphis, said he sees no contradictions between the study of critical theory and Christianity, despite claims by critics that CRT conflicts with the Christian gospel. Critical theory looks at the way race operates in society, said Johnson. It doesn’t say anything about salvation or theology or other spiritual concerns. But it can show, he said, the way sin can permeate any system. “It is not an indictment of white people,” Johnson said. “It is not an indictment of individuals or groups of individuals. It is an indictment of the system and it offers a way to repair the system. But they’re not interested in any of that. So don’t waste my time.”
“To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus.” - Spurgeon
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Could y'all please pray for me? I am having unbelief and doubts in God, I hate it so much! I need God!! 😭 Please pray that instead of worrying, I trust and have faith in God. That my doubts and unbelief in God will disappear like it never even happened. Please pray that I will have nothing but confidence in his existence and he will always help me. Thank y'all so much!! God bless ya'll!! 🙏🏻❤️
Dear friend, I am praying for you to know the depth of the love of God for you. You are loved dearly and without restraint. By the death of His Son, God has declared that He will allow nothing to stand between Him and His love for you.
Hey friend, if you don’t mind could you tell us about the nature of the doubt?
Please ask Jesus for more faith. Don't try to drum it up. When you read God's word, ask him to help you believe every word. Pray Psalm 27 "One thing I ask and this is what I seek, that I may live on the house of the Lord ALL the days of my life and to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord". God answers our prayers. I will be praying for you now.
I’m right there with you Shilah. I have had struggles with doubts for much of my Christian life, at times utterly agonizing. I don’t see it altogether as a bad thing though. For as you persevere in faith and cling to Christ, you show fruit of being a child of God, for the dead do not desire to know or honor him. Yet not even your perseverance is enough, for your hope must be only in the mercy and kindness of God, who has proven his love in sending Jesus for you and has given witness to himself and the coming judgment by raising Jesus from the dead. Look to Jesus, not yourself, and as it was already suggested, be with fellow believers who can speak and minister God’s grace to you. I also recommend reading The Whole Christ by Sinclair Ferguson, about 5 times or until symptoms improve 😄. Grace be with you!
Another fantastic book to read is Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund. SO encouraging!!
I heard critical race theory explained by an advocate for it and he said it is analyzing economic and social issues theu the lense of race. Which to me make it wrong even before knowing the biblical reasons why it is wrong.
If someone looks for racism in anything they are going to find it, mainly because to a hammer everything is a nail kind of thing. Critical race theory essentially makes racists of people who claim to be anti-racists.
We must stay close to the gospel, we must cling to Christ. Looking into his perfect holiness continually will expose the darkness of our hearts, in whatever form that depravity is manifesting itself.
From @10:15 thru 11:24 and I quote, "Critical race theory...tries to understand and challenge...the power and oppression relationships that have marked racial groups historically and still do today. Now it's true that a focus on groups... and the focus on power...can skew our understanding and yield _unhelpful_ strategies, yes that's true, nevertheless those very focuses, misleading as they might be, _can also reveal insights that may be strategically helpful in moving toward greater justice_ ." *_WRONG_*
LenGarden It’s amazing isn’t it? He acknowledges that CRT has so many valid points and he has spent years teaching some of its core tenets yet admits it’s unbiblical at the very end of the video. What did I miss?? I feel like there is a lot of confusion on his end so I’m going to pray for him, but honestly I am tired of all this double speak from Evangelicals. This is why we are NOT taken seriously. Let’s move away from what the world thinks and just focus on the Bible PLEASE.
@@eternallyfearless8537 Amen Fearless
Neo Marxism is wrong but it could help us have a more just society?
@@eternallyfearless8537 I think it's too simplistic to just say 'let's focus on the bible'. Indeed, our source of truth is the bible, but at some point, the Christians must engage with the world. We use the bible to discern if what someone is saying is right or wrong.
Piper is saying that there are biblical ideas in what it hopes to do, but its source, its reasoning and its ultimate outcomes are unbiblical. An example might be a secular theory that hopes to stop theft, but the reasoning is that everything ought to belong to me. Yes, we want to stop theft from a biblical perspective, but that reasoning is just completely wrong. We must acknowledge that the best lies are those with truth mixed in, and so the bible allows us to discern truth in the midst of all the lies of the world. To talk to people, we have to show them where their error is exactly, not ignore what they have to say.
Why Piper, do you express such charity for an anti-Christian doctrine, critical theory? Bear the sword! In so doing, you cut out the cancer and save the patients. The main things are the plain things and THEY have the POWER that we are called to use.
How are you or others currently using those plain things to help others and improve conditions now or plan to do so in the immediate future. Please share how in the context of the word of God that is done, backed up by scripture, and proves effective for addressing the issues of effects of oppression, suppression, inequity, harsh or at the least treatment lacking in empathy, compassion, or awareness? Keeping in mind some narratives about the APPLICATION and INTERPRETATION of the word is NOT necessarily universal and perfect even throughout the church (His Bride). Sometimes we are NOT jointly fit together. So how do we recognize our very clear differences but galvanize around our very true similarity in Christ and make things better?
I'm not exactly here for debate on how we got here....because there IS an historical perspective and it is NOT pretty and is NOT biblical. But here we are and according to the word we ARE supposed to do greater things...and we can do all things thru Him. As we are DOERS of the word. So....lets use the God breathed inspired word to make change. With or without CRT. My concern is the understanding of ChRIsT and His ways and how we apply that today to the turmoil we face. Esp when everyone has a role to play. Some like us here and Pastor here have a platform to use what can a man of God with over 1/2 million followers do....or any 1 of us?
@@LamarPhillips Thanks for your post with many good points. You asked for Scripture so I'll ask that we consider together 1 Cor. 1:10 thru chapter end. There Paul, addressing divisions in the church, highlights several truths for our meditation. I will humbly submit that CT is an example of "the wisdom of the wise" that God thwarts (v.19, ESV). I leave the application of the remainder of the chapter to you. --Blessings.
@@LamarPhillips Galatians 1:9 and the whole book. When someone teaches heresy, we cast them out and tell the whole world that they're teaching damnable lies.
So thankful that Pastor Piper has explained this from a Biblical perspective with much clarity. I wasn't sure what to make of CRT until now. As much as I believe that there are many problems in our society having to do with racial inequality, CRT doesn't seem to be the right answer. I wish there was a Biblical answer to this problem. I think there is, but just not sure what it is.
That is very honest. Thank you for your truth.
Jesus and His gospel!? 🤷🏾♀️
Thank you Pastor John. So helpful, and as always, so gracious, and Christ-exalting.
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life.
while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family
Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what he says Proverb (3:27;21:26;22:9 ,,Deu.28:1-5) contact the MD of the orphanage foundation WhatsApp:(+2349064374487)or Email:(saviourfoundation111@gmail.com) send your donation to them.God bless you.....
By the grace of GOD! I am well fed! Pastor John, thank you graciously. I did not know how to understand fully how to truly, critically go deeper into the world of GOD, but today I have been shown how. I as a unable to fully grasp CRT at its root and then break it down, however, you took me back to college and the remembrance of Critical Thinking and its levels of process, from comprehension to evaluation.
Now I am confident in the providences of GOD a bit greater. As a black man, I saw some things that i understood, but hearing so many speak with utter disdain not just for CRT, but spiritually discerning that they were also utterly disdaining those who speak on it.
Now that I have heard the fundamental issues and flaws with it, I am now knowlegable to it's detrimental affects on the Church and the world of GOD.
Thank you Pastor John! I have so much more to thank God for this most holy day approaching.
Thank You!
This is the most God glorifying from the heart I've heard on the reality of the CRT divide. Thanks Piper that there's still those operating with biblical reason and from a heart of highly matured Biblical Love.
I love John Piper but his attempt to split the baby (so to speak) of CRT is misguided. Any supposed redeeming qualities of CRT is merely pretext for deceit. Piper himself lands in the right place but I fear he gives place in the body of believers for subtle yet damning error.
Awesome...! This is so well presented...! Thank you John Piper...❣❣❣
I’m so disappointed Pastor John. CRT this is false teaching as the false teaching of the JW‘s would say Jesus is a created God. It must be completely denounced repudiated with no compromise at all. You are too smart to experienced as a pastor to not see this.
This is why I’m only supporting pastors/ministries that are crystal clear in their repudiation of this nonsense. I don’t want to hear that CRT is sinful one day and then listen to a sermon that expounds on it the next. Toooo much doublespeak and lenience toward certain world views in many mainline denominations right now, and as much as I’d like us to get along I view CRT as inherently sinful and my conscience is affected by the obsessive emphasis on RACE. As Christians we are one race and I don’t appreciate being told I need to backtrack into some fleshly preoccupation with skin color. It feels evil and demonic.
Perhaps taking another listening opportunity is in order... because though his address entailed numerous intricacies there's an incongruence in what you're saying with what he stated.
The Main Point, for the impatient:
19:23 - 23:43 "The claim to have an infallible Bible undermines the fundamental assumption of Critical Race Theory. That fundamental assumption is that human identity is self constructed, not God given. Any group, therefore, that claims to have access to an infallible word of God that dictates human identity and human right and wrong is a manifest threat to human autonomy and within the frame of reference of CRT can only be understood as a group that is trying to seize power, particularly white power, since most of the confessions of faith in the history of the Church that espouse Biblical infallibility have been written by white men. CRT, in its generic definition as a quest for understanding the history of oppression in race relations and present attitudes and structures that continue that oppression is a worthy quest. CRT in its more essential definition including its mainstream assumptions and conclusions is a manifestation of the age old enslavement of the fallen human heart, to self deification: I will be my own God ; and self definition: I will define my own essential identity; and self determination: I will decide my own truth and morality without reference or deference towards any authority outside myself.
Therefore to try to make progress in racial justice, racial respect and racial harmony by absorbing the assumptions and categories and conclusions and strategies of CRT is a dead end street. CRT is not a problem because it raises the challenge of racial justice, respect, harmony and glory. *It is a problem because it fails us as we try to take up these challenges in a hopeful, Christ-exalting way.* Inside CRT God is small and negligible. Inside CRT, the Bible is small and negligible. Truth is small and negligible and evil is big and there is no answer for it. None. It is a hopeless path. Tragically hopeless. But, inside that infallible word called the Bible, there is an absolutely explosive redemption and blood-bought reconciliation and Christ-exalting harmony. And the failures of the Church historically and today cannot cancel it. It is there. And if we were more saturated by God’s word, and more broken by God’s word and humble and submitted to that word in all of its radical ramifications, there would be hope. Oh, there is hope."
Pastor John, I am certain you have many great definitions, interpretations, and conceptions - this may not exactly be one of them that is completely seen objectively. At the very least I believe that this stance does not look at the lens of every created being. I have to go to work soon and cannot give all of the thoughts I have on this subject. Know this, I am a Christian and have been nearly my entire life (as long as I can remember and officially since being 7 years old). I looked into CRT myself. As an educator, who studies both current trends, and education foundations and history - as well as one who takes long, looks into the biblical history and doctrinal studies of multiple "denominations" and division in the Church (it is sad that they exist because there is only ONE Christ, but they do exist) - I see that the use of the 2 Tim 3:16-17 has often had some negative consequences for various groups of people. I am not saying that it is wrong per se (following your concept of an infallible Word of God), but it's application by those parties who use and promote oppressive practices.
I cannot defend all of the parties that make use of or pay attention to CRT, but your stance that it is akin to the same interpretation and historical analysis of homophobia and transphobia is off in my opinion. I will at least say (while I do not totally disagree about some things you say) that too many people put gender, sexual orientation, and race together. Even those who are a part of the LGBT(etc) community do so. I won't speak on if those orientations are a choice or not, but race definitely is not a choice. Nor is the treatment one receives a choice. Similarly, those who continue to perpetuate beliefs that stem from concepts that lead to acceptance of status quo treatment, even if it is harmful are not necessarily INITIALLY choosing this. Yet when one becomes aware of the systemic need for change and tries to identify a stronghold that is taught, promoted, and nurtured it is important to look at why and determine how to address this. Even Jesus noted bias and separation among various peoples (the woman at the well) and rose above it. Even the very popular depiction of Jesus across the world gives pause to (not the WORD of God) but the concept of much of how it is interpreted or portrayed. People of color are often, even now, are at some disadvantage. At the very core, the interpretation can be off. What person that is biblically described as having hair of lambswool and color of bronze can look anything like the pictures we see. However, that's what is promoted. The same is true in education and history throughout the western world. The so-called dominant culture pushes the narrative: geography set to a narrative that promotes colonialism, manifest destiny, denying religion, cultures, and altering artifacts, misrepresenting history - multiple things taught as standard education - documented...these things have deep psychological, economic, political, tangible, physical results, and yes - spiritual as well.
So (there is so much more to discuss) - I can't say that CRT is perfect, but the denouncing of it sounds so similar to the concept of questioning the curious stances the church takes because it will confuse and taint people. It seems short of calling people ignorant sheep. I DO see the Good Shepherd in my life with regard to spiritual belief, but not a shepherd that doesn't give me a mind to think and analyze and question (Paul liked the Bereans because they reasoned and studied for themselves). Some of the greatest apologists that I have heard of started off as atheists and agnostics. Let people think, question, discover. Is God not so great and awesome and loving that HIS truth will not be found? NOT the truth of every person that claims Him but not ALL of Him. I never saw where God invented racism or oppression - yet it exists (sometimes..in the name of God)????? Before I get written off as a radical or anti-anything. Just know I love God, His people, and even my enemies - but I won't promote deeper understanding, nor healing but shutting down anyone else. I watched both videos and I would love to have further DISCUSSION on this with facts, historical references, and to both LISTEN and be HEARD from each others' lens AND with the Word sitting next to us. I want others to take a walk in MY shoes and vice versa before we consider having had the final word. Is THAT a possibility? My doctoral work, btw, is NOT necessarily in this field (although it affects it)...but since the 1st DAY I went to Christian camp at 7 and since being introduced to the church at 5 these concepts have never gone away. As I studied history...it has ALWAYS been present. So let's talk about it openly and freely without bias (or as much as possible), or at least understand any implicit bias that may be present and learn from it.
Well said
@@EvangelineRudolph Thank you. I do not want to dominate the conversation. I also don't want all people that have an issue to be misrepresented. If we do NOT use critical race theory then please offer another lens (according to the word of God) that addresses the issues of systemic racism and oppression that DO REALLY exist. Not you, or any of us specifically, but we NEED to address this. It is NOT going away. Especially in western society. Equity and Inequality and unfair treatment abound and those with influence MUST be a part of the equation in helping to educate others. It won't happen with our lack of ability to empathize and energize and mobilize others through compassionate concerned work that embraces the oppressed.
I think my struggle with this current evangelical trend against CRT is that the right-wing political scheme in America is just as damaging, just as unbiblical as CRT is argued to be. Though CRT might benefit me as a Black woman, I love Jesus enough to admit that it is a skewed, biased theory that perpetuates divisiveness.
However, I’d like to see the same critiques against right-wing politics. Both CRT & right-wing politics (left-wing politics too!), in my humble opinion, divide people. Therefore, if our goal is to be more Christ-like, the church should abandon ALL theories & political schemes that promote division & strictly stick to the infallible Word of God. We should stop trying to be of the world & cause social changes through secular means & instead unite in Christ, make more disciples of all nations & spread the Word of God in Spirit & truth. I don’t think critiquing CRT makes folks of color feel the love of Christ as much as other methods, like simply teaching the Gospel, would.
@@tracijenningsesq.5203 I cannot disagree with you. I wonder, however, if NOT CRT, then what do we use to see through the lens of what makes us comfortable (well some of us anyway). The issues which CRT attempts to address are real. They can't be explained away...actually not even prayed away. "men ought always pray"...watch and pray. Be hearers and DOERS of the word. When there is injustice a stand must be taken. The problem is that some (even in the church) do not see injustice. They sometimes see color blindness. Where is that biblical? God did, indeed, make us different. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. and SHOULD be jointly fit together. But some enjoy other privileges that they may be unaware of because they know nothing else. The opposite is true too. Let's fully apply ALL of the word of God. That's all. KNOW that there ARE differences and they should be celebrated. It's not divisiveness to say I grew up over here. I learned this. I am treated like this. I need help understanding and accomplishing. I am your brother. I will help you. I am your keeper. I will not silence you nor ignore you nor minimize you. So if not this, then what, how, and when? I am open to the possibilities....in the most Godly and thorough and swift fashion. Is anything to hard for God?
@@LamarPhillips I believe the lens should be treating everyone equally and respectfully as image-bearers of God. I do think that some understanding of how this hasn’t been accomplished in America is necessary. I don’t think CRT should be the lens, because it technically just flips the power scheme, rather than being entirely equitable. I think this argument against CRT in evangelical circles seems to pacify individuals who do not want to recognize injustices. It’s such a sticky situation, because while I do not propose the rich are stolen from or whites are treated unfavorably, I do believe there has to be some mature recognition of “America has poorly treated people on the basis of color, it impacts people’s’ lives on multiple levels, and going forward as CHRISTIANS, we should individually adopt the ways of Christ by ensuring we do not fall prey to systemic ills.” I don’t think CRT should be applied to Christians because it essentially seeks to oppress one group that has historically been seen as the oppressor. It’s not a biblical approach. BUT, neither is this idea of pretending disparities don’t exist. I think there has to be an ACTIVE stance taken by the church as a whole that involves acknowledging ills of this country and intentionally adopting Christ’s view of everyone as people made in the image of God. That involves a stance against CRT’s “solutions” and it involves a stance against the left wing & the right wing. In my opinion again lol
22:24 important summary
He should have just started the series there. So much garbage spewed in this and the preceding video.
Jesus Gives me Everything I Need and Delivers me from Evil..just as He Promised. I could not ask for more.
I also now understand that the two statements given or at least the last at minimum is the very ideology of thought behind Women's rights regarding abortion and sexual expression.
The problem with this video, and the argument against CRT that many Christians are making, is that it is entirely possible (common even) to be a critical race theorist that disagrees with both of the outrageous, unbiblical statements Pastor John brings up. Arguing against "mainstream scholarly expression" when talking to somebody, like myself, who doesn't take cues from Ibram Kendi or Angela Parker, is the easy way out. It's unhelpful and creating division where there shouldn't be any.
Can you expound please? And furthermore can you, or anyone else, give a basic definition of the who, what, when why and how and even the where behind the framework of CRT and its uses to analyze situations. I asked some other scholars and the name(s) mentioned by Pastor John do not resonate with them. So is he talking about CRT at its foundation or specifically as applied to behavioral and sociological analysis of the church. In education these people aren't the parties who are at the core.
I digress I want to understand more of what you are trying to say
@@LamarPhillips Critical theory is an approach to social philosophy which focuses on providing a reflective assessment and critique of society and culture in order to reveal and challenge power structures. It started in 1930s Germany; Wikipedia has more info on it, and I'm not a sociologist.
The main thing that definition and a basic understanding of critical theory offers is that critical theory is a framework, not the conclusions of the people who used that framework. There are many common conclusions that critical theorists come to, but using those to define critical theory is allowing the tail to wag the dog.
Pastor John and Niel Shenvi, by using conclusions as their definition (cherry picked conclusions at that; who even is Angela Parker?), are sidestepping the difficult conversations we need to have in the church in favor of blanket dismissals of their brother's and sister's concerns.
Critical race theory is just a branch of regular critical theory that focuses primarily on racial power structures. It started in the 80s and has it's own Wiki.
@@james35813
In all honesty with no insult, you providing a drive-by understanding following up with a cursory mobile summary verdict... with a disclaimer tacked on for good measure.
CRT unto its own end is the secular abuse of atheistic self-actualization (existence precedes essence)...
Piper is not giving credence to such a thing but rather it's the American church and their obstinance towards self-examination that reveals itself to be the problem.
Self-segregation of Christian congregations is the demonstration of this very point.
American churches are the ones with this distinct phenomenon... That will not tolerate or hear any discussion that is beyond what are designated boundaries.
Christians that look similar congregate with each other and quite honestly condescend to others who don't. This is a fact- and it's not what one sees in Christian martyr publications.
Please put more into it than wiki-understanding.
@@scottcarter1689 You're all over the map with that reply and it makes it hard for me to respond. Are you disagreeing with my definition? Are you arguing that CRT, defined as a framework, is inherently atheist? That it is the cause of self-segregated churches?
Critical Theory comes from the Frankfurt School, which was a Marxist think-tank that came from Frankfurt, Germany and took up residence at Columbia University from 1930 to the late ‘40s. Because violent class revolution was not occurring how Marx had supposed it would, the Frankfurt school proposed sociological means of instituting communism by undermining Judeo-Christian values, families, and injecting Marxism into academia, education, government, media, churches, etc. Critical Theory, CRT, multiculturalism, postmodernism, etc. are fruits of the Frankfurt School and Marxism. The idea is come to maximum discord between identity groups and destroy culture, to create anomie, destroy social cohesion, etc.
I think that ultimately, this is the only conclusion possible that also squares with Biblical teachings.
CRT is an effort to explain perceived injustice, but it is an entirely worldly philosophy. In its view God is irrelevant and is only ever added as an afterthought. It divides society by race in the same way that Marxism divides it by class, and leads only to further division and contention, which are not of God and should not be pursued by people that follow Him.
Racism and Christianity are incompatible to begin with (although many Christians have fallen into it) because we should treat everyone the same and always seek peace and fellowship with our brethren.
Racism and the injustices wrought by it are products of a fallen society and imperfect people. Our eyes should be on God.
Braden Harris..so what do you plan to do about white supremacy and racism that is causing so much racial injustice ?
Calling CRT a philosophy is like calling Algebra a religion. This is why you all keep failing.
"it is rightly contested" That is right and like you said that this has a historical position. Yet you spend a whole episode making a point to stop people from calling someone who is using CRT, that they are using CRT because it is pajorative (or mean). Im not sure where you are heading in your thinking but you missed the fact that the gospel does not see race or oppression as a cultural problem and therefore it cannot be beneficial to Christians.
This explanation of CRT is elementary at best. His summary starts like this, "Critical Race Theory in it's generic definition as a quest for understanding the history of oppression in race relations and the present attitudes and structures that continue that oppression, is a worthy quest." He ends the summary by saying that the deeper meaning of CRT is that man is trying to "be my own god"....So you say, "well he came out against it, what is your problem?" The problem is that John Piper misunderstands CRT. I fear that the charity John gives CRT, will end up destroying his legacy of spreading the Gospel by his failure to protect the church from this lie. The Gospel IS the solution to the enmity that divides humanity.
Take a page from from the JustThinking crew: justthinking.me/ep-108-critical-race-theory/
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After listening to this, it sounds like his views are that education about groups with power and marginalized groups in regards to race and other areas is a good thing, but that people can take what is a good thing and make conclusions that are unrelated, which would be a bad thing? I guess I'm just wondering if Critical Race Theory could be a good thing if not taken the direction that Piper criticizes. I think there are many people who would want further education in power and oppression, especially in regards to race, gender, etc. but who don't agree with the things that Piper also doesn't agree with.
So then I wonder where Christians are supposed to go to learn more about the systematic racism and oppression in their culture and location, what resources are available. It feels like if people in the Church don't want CRT, the Church should offer a specific theory for these issues in these times as well, based on Biblical principles. A specific theory to address racial inequalities that exist in our time, and what needs to change to help those who are marginalized. Thoughts?
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God made me white and I’m not apologizing for it. Not anymore. I’m Southern and I’m not apologizing for that anymore either. My ancestors were poor and that means we didn’t own slaves!!! Even if I did come from a plantation pedigree, I’m not apologizing for it. I wasn’t born yet. Growing up in eastern NC among tobacco fields and the crap bullying and beats and curses I received from blacks on my school bus where I was one of three white kids; seriously there are some black people who need to repent to me for their sins committed against me. So the Bible tells me so. It has taken decades to shake off the public school indoctrination I received. Public school education is a social experiment gone wrong. It was a waste of my time 70% of the time. I dare anyone to come at me this CRT CRAP. Please. Seriously.
I am sorry you endured such things. There is no sweeping description of anyone that can be true of everyone. Unfortunately, I don't know if everyone is looking at the full picture here. I DO see race and think it is wonderful. I have a crayon box full of brothers and sisters and multiple economic and historical backgrounds. Many of my friends are educators and due to what, how, and where we teach we love each other and our kids enough to have tough conversations. They don't have to apologize to me for who they are. If I'm mad it's because you did something stupid or hurt me specifically. We talk and then we hug and it's over. But we DO know how to address things because of our common passion. We go to each other's weddings and watch each others' kids and eat and cry and laugh together and will bust you upside your head if you mess with any one of our crayon kids. But we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater without making an effort to solve and address long-term issues. We weren't' born back in the day either. But we are here now with issues in our laps and we lovingly try to get things done and make it better for our kids in the future. Lizzie your treatment wasn't right and those people SHOULD repent. True. But we have to keep on working so it doesn't continue for anybody. I would hope that as we see and use the word of God as we apply it correctly and make positive change...with or without CRT, but we can't act like nothing is wrong. Thank you for speaking your truth. It is important to hear and valid
@@LamarPhillips I appreciate your view. I’m not sure what you mean when say “speak your truth.” Every time people have said that, it refers to a relative truth. If it’s true TO ME, then it’s my truth. I get to define truth for me. Okay that’s not biblical. Something is either true or it it is not. And God is the arbiter and determiner of truth. And always in alignment with His Word. So what do you mean?
@@lizinaz2480 i suppose a better phrase is honestly and authentically sharing. I can't speak for others but when I say YOUR TRUTH I mean what is real and poignant and relevant to you.
I think people sometimes espouse positions and thoughts that may be true but not relevant or miss the point from which the original speaker was coming.
If I responded to you and hinted at some BLM stance it would not validate what you were talking about. You were saying what mattered to you. There was a biblical context AS APPLIED to you...not someone else in THIS conversation. You weren't making blanket statements, were you? It was personal and I appreciate that
@@LamarPhillips okay. Something can be true but not right. According to God’s standards as revealed in His Word. It is “true” what happened to me. At the same time, God’s word tells me it was wrong. And those people should have been punished / disciplined. But the black school bus driver did nothing. And the black principal did nothing. For SIX years. 🧐 what my parents should have done was take me out if that school. I’m still not digging the use of “your truth” lingo. It’s too vague and trite nowadays. Public “government-run” education is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars and frothy in its corruption.
@@lizinaz2480 If I flipped it around and rattled off hundreds or thousands of stories like yours that went the other direction in the past and still happen today ...even to the tune of lost lives and nothing happens that would be insensitive and almost invalidate your very real and painful experience...that was very wrong. Someone should have stood up. There needed to be an agent of change...and advocate...not just your situation should have been changed but the system that perpetuated it right? Ethical and biblical truth calls for it right? Still true today.. you and that stance are right? Where is it? Who does it? Where are the platforms and mouthpieces? It can start with us and Pastor John and everyone making and reading these comments. The word of God is infallible and Christ died for all the wrongs and sins past present and future but we don't keep living that way. We show others the way. Who's doing what? And How? I don't want another person to say what is right or wrong if a solution doesn't follow behind their statements. A strategy. If you're going to speak biblically then speak truth to power and let's see what happens. If someone wants to shoot down a perspective then what are you using in its place......per the word of God?
Btw Lizzie....lol...I'm a 26-year vet of education and taught in public health 10 years prior to that sooo ... lol I know the system isn't perfect. We have many changes to make. My private studio education and other endeavors can help but in our country, each state runs education according to our US constitution so we have a lot of work to do. The church should be a part of it strategically and influence what is right.....I guarantee others will attempt the opposite
The church is being tested. Do we trust God and his word and is his salvation and promises enough? Or do we yearn to go back to Egypt (our old sin life) instead of waiting for God to lead us to his promised land? Are we free in Christ or do we want to be free of Christ? Is God holy? Or do we think we are holy? God will purify his church with the refiners fire into the purest of gold as he molds us into what he wants us to be. The bride of Christ. His holy church. His elect. The body of Christ. His remnant. The true Israel. The one whom Christ then calls his brethren. For the glory of the LORD. Holy holy holy. Worthy of all praise and all honor and all dominion. Worthy is the Lord God the lamb who was slain.
Could you please provide the citations for the two quotes?
Ibram Kendi (bestselling author of "How to be an anti-racist") and Angela Parker (who is not well known as far as I could find)
@@james35813 the quick research I did on the first one doesn't say that he's an Evangelical or Christian?
@@james35813 also, I should have said to begin with: thanks for *your* research!
@@drsuessre14 Kendi isn't a Christian as far as I can tell. Parker is the one who was quoted as having spoken at an Evangelical conference, but I can't find a video or anything of it.
Is Piper a traditional Trinitarian? @ 2:43 seems like an unusual definition of Yahweh God - separating the Father from the Son. Help me understand this phrasing...
Learning. Listening.
Doing the work.
When it comes to racial bridge-building for black people, Be the Bridge places a lot of the focus on listening to and learning from people without color. But there’s also some important internal work that black people need to do as well. When black people don’t understand some of the basic tenets of blackness, it’s hard to fully engage in the work of racial reconciliation.
For this reason, we have created a resource that breaks down the Four B’s:
1. Black Supremacy
2. Black Fragility
3. Black Identity
4. Black Privilege
Why is this not information black people already know and understand?
Black people live very segregated lives, benefitting from NOT knowing and engaging with their racial reality.
Black people are most likely to live in racially homogenous communities and least likely to come into contact with people racially different from themselves.
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Could possibly have been helpful 10, 5, or even 1 year ago. I have loved and been helped by John Piper for so long but he has FAILED to lead and even now there is way to much deference to false teaching - this failure to lead may (unless God gives us grace) allow us all to see the "radical ramifications" of CRT.
Also, it does matter what questions you ask and CRT IS a problem because it raises the wrong questions.
Much of evangelical church leadership has failed us in these areas in recent times. The church is being tested with refining fire. Is Christ our all in all or not?
Be careful what accusations you make towards God Elect. Just because he didn't lead in the way you see fit, doesn't mean that he didn't lead.
People running around acting like this silliness is the world coming to an end. In the meantime, he's actually preaching about the world coming to an end... smh.
*(Isaiah 8:12-13)*
*“Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread. But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.*
God is still on the throne.
Where were the two quotes from? Can he list a source?
Thank you Pastor John.
I can see why the theory would call out the concepts of inerrancy and authority of Scriptures; errant and fallable individuals, throughout history, have appealed to the inerrancy and authority of Scriptures to justify atrocities. There is a difference between believing the Bible is inerrant and believing our personal interpretation is inerrant. We all believe that our beliefs are right, otherwise we wouldn't hold to those beliefs. So the Bible was used by many to justify Southern slavery and other racism. It's been used to justify killing people of other religions (crusades), drowning paedobaptists and anabaptists, the chemical castration of homosexuals, and is used today to justify spousal rape. We have Doug Wilson authoring a book on how Southern slavery was good for black people and writing things like virginity is a woman's crowning glory, sexual sin isn't the same for men and women, and his wife writing that since the Bible says you don't own your body in marriage men can't ever be "unwelcome" in their "own garden" (you can't rape your own wife).The ACBC uses the Bible to claim that schizophrenia is a choice and therefore most schizophrenics can't be Christians and Masters Seminary teaches that women should be willing to die like martyrs for the faith in the face of domestic violence in order to be missionaries to their husbands. And even that it is good for kids to see their mom's getting abused for the sake of the kingdom. And a whole segment of Christians believe in Christian reconstruction and the only, which would place non-believers under Christian morality enacted by civil government.
So there is a pretty rich history in the world of men and especially white men using the TRUTH that the Bible is the inerrant authoritative word of God, to justify their own interpretations as therefore inerrant and authoritative for all peoples. So, if I'm looking at concepts of systemic racism, it does become concerningly dangerous for a group of individuals to claim that they have the words of God and are justified in using those words to potentially persecute other groups.
I can see why a secular theory would find it difficult to believe you can be anti-racist if you also claim you have a book that is the ultimate authority over everyone and depending on your interpretation...may allow you to justify keeping slaves, ignoring abuse, objectifying women, and dictating your "morality" on others.
I have a comment for both sides:
CRT: the Bible wasn't written by white men...
PJ: Based on your previous episode, couldn't we appreciate at least the effort CR theorist put into fighting injustice, knowing that they themselves don't understand or know Truth? What can we really expect from people who are angry with injustice but don't know Jesus? I think theories like this is the natural result.
CRT? nope...not WRITTEN by white men....but used and interpreted and decisions were made "because" of it. Many decisions and actions may not have TRULY been biblically based...but that is/was the argument used. So THAT needs to be addressed. Some of it is historical and some current.
PJ? I agree - appreciate the effort and try to steer in the right direction but do NOT for one minute ignore injustices. In fact...consider how to JESUS deal with injustice? Look it up. How do we use the same example? How did others recorded in the word do so? Are there clues for us to use? When we look at the bible...were the same issues addressed? If so, let's get to it. If not, let's recognize that. I'm not PROMOTING CRT - but stating - we better think of SOMETHING. Things are getting more volatile each day.
I was a little worried about Piper at first, but listening to the end I see that he's right on.
Man, those two statements are dumbfounding. Especially the last one.
"No wild beast are such dangerous enemies to men as Christians are toward one another."
- Ammianus Marcellinus, Roman Soldier, Historian (330AD - 400AD)
“He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man. Say to it: This is what the Lord God says: Breath, come from the four winds and breathe into these slain so that they may live!””
Ezekiel 37:9 CSB
You know what. Just read James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose’s book Cynical Theories. This man is not a serious thinker and doesn’t know the fullest nature of CRT.
He seems to think one can Christianize CRT.
Piper has no wisdom.
Pre-ordered three copies of the book. I cannot wait.
Finally you say it in the end John. It’s wrong because it’s not of Christ and it denies God’s full testimony of truth. It presents the same lie in the garden that we could exercise our own will to power over God and his law and each other. Only in Christ is there true freedom and salvation from our sin and also from the circumstances of sin (racism suffering etc).
“What then? Are we any better off? Not at all! For we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin, as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away; all alike have become worthless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one. Their throat is an open grave; they deceive with their tongues. Vipers’ venom is under their lips. Their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and wretchedness are in their paths, and the path of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that whatever the law says, it speaks to those who are subject to the law, so that every mouth may be shut and the whole world may become subject to God’s judgment. For no one will be justified in his sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin comes through the law.”
Romans 3:9-20 CSB
🐺 🐑 kind of a long rant to just raise your ideology over the word
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I will remember fondly Pastor John best sermons in my hearing were the "Bondage of the will" which changed my spiritual worldview on predestination and election and the preaching at Passion 2017....the ultimate essence of evil. Foundational for me! Now this.....its sad.
Beloved I don't know you in person but God knows you well God reveal a revelation to me when I was going through your profile to observe things about your spiritual life.
while I was meditating, I saw a divine breakthrough in your life and I saw evil attack of the enemies manipulating on seizing your favour and to come against your hand work for you to be confused and lost hope. As I was praying the Lord reveal to me and instruct you to sow a seed into the life of a baby suffering from leukemia in children of Saviour motherless foundation,located Edo state,Nigeria, before the end of tomorrow and let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your family
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What an absolute load of nonsense
Can anyone help me please understand this and explain in lamest lame terms?
I will try my best. Feel free to ask questions!
There is a set of ideas called Critical Race Theory. In some ways, it is helpful for thinking about how race functions in America today, and how race impacts people's lives today. But. There are some big problems. In their main form these ideas don't account for God. It makes the struggle for justice the only standard by which you can measure truth. That's wrong, because God and his word are the standard for truth.
However, just because you see a Christian saying stuff similar to things that Critical Race Theory says doesn't mean that they've abandoned the Bible as truth, and you need to ask specific questions to understand them and their heart.
@Andrew M what is the instrument of Biblical justice in your view?
Three parts to the answer.
1 - First is that as Christians we must try not to slander and accuse other Christians. We must do what we can to create peace among each other, and we must acknowledge that God is truth, love, and submit to His ultimate authority. (this was in the previous episode)
2 - CRT is the theory that society is composed of groups locked in a constant struggle (for wealth, for rights, etc.) where one group is supreme and others are oppressed - specifically in America, that the white race oppresses people of color and was designed and constructed to reinforce that.
In this view, people are not individuals formed by God but only members of their identity group and everything must be viewed through this framework. In this view, God and Christ have no role to play. There are only people groups oppressing each other for worldly benefits.
3 - John Piper is arguing that CRT can't jibe with the Christian faith because it dismisses God's power and authority and instead focuses on and promotes division and worldly interests, which goes directly against Biblibal teachings.
CRT comes from the Frankfurt School, a Marxist think tank from 1930-? It looks at the world through that Marxist lens of a great power struggle between groups. Since the class-based Marxism wasn’t creating socialist revolution as Marx had supposed, the idea was to inject maximum discord by pitting identity groups against one another. The idea is any white person has more privilege than any non-white person. Any man has more privilege than any woman. And if you have a position of privilege you have no right to speak and be heard.