How Fallout TV Show Makes Mr. House New Vegas Ending Canon | All the Clues
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- The new Fallout TV show has come out on Amazon Prime. A lot has changed in the 15 years since Fallout New Vegas. This video goes over how Mr house's ending is the only possible outcome that explains the current state of the Fallout world.
Something I want to point out that I missed is that the chaulk board says the fall of Shady Sands happened in 2277, which is before the events of Fallout New Vegas in 2281. It's unclear if this is when it was blown up or if this is when it started to decline and then was blown up later after Fallout New Vegas. Either way, this just adds more confusion to the whole thing.
The board said the fall of shady sands started it 2277, and lead to its destruction. The first battle of hoover dam happens around that time
@fatmac11c It doesn't say start of it's simply the fall of. Which is extraordinarily inconsistent especially how in 81 we hear a bunch about Shady Sands and how it's still a seat of governance.
It 100% is not intended to be interpreted as "the bomb went off in 2077." By the logic of the diagram: an event happens, followed by an arrow denoting that time has passed, followed by the next chronological event. None of the events before the bomb happen together, so therefore the bomb would not have gone off in 2077. My best guess is they wanted to leave the exact date of the bomb ambiguous to give themselves room for writing season 2.
@@mitchellwb12 So what caused the "fall"?
is clear that 2277 is the date the NCR capital got nuked and that makes no sense the arrow points to the nuked as the reason for the fall. go look for what the fall of a city means
the house always win: Completed
As it should be.
You can see in the ending credits of the last season 1 Falloutv episode that Vegas is in utter ruins and that a huge battle took place between NCR and Vegas destroying the city, possibly Cesar's Legion is destroyed too. Bethesda wanted to revert the west coast to the conditions thing were in fallout 1, a desolate wasteland. Perhaps take the reins away from Obsidian, since New Vegas outshines alot of the work Bethesda did.
@AthleticHobo-br4qh Totally they are using this show just to dump on what their predecessors did, which has always been better. Great show but they should have left it on the east coast where their crappie stories take place.
About damn time
Hell yeah baby
Though House was at those meetings, its clear he wanted no part in it but couldnt do anything to stop it.
All he could do was plan to save what he could. Him being in on those meetings is what kicked off him investing in saving what he could.
Basically data collection. Finding out their idea to drop the bombs.
He humored Vault Tec in the same way the Courier humored Caesar in a Mr. House playthrough. He got information and was there with his own plans for what to do going forward.
He might've also sponsored Vault 21 as a contingency on contingency and to keep an eye on Vault-Tec, making sure they wouldn't try anything that would upset his plans for New Vegas.
Hence why he dumped concrete in it when he was satisfied it was no longer needed.
Pathetic headcanon to defend slop and shit consistency.
The strip might also be destroyed due to the tunnelers from the divide
Yep, they were my problem with any New Vegas ending.
@dennis2376 Yea it's kinda funny seeing everyone get mad that NV might be destroyed. When obsidian themselves made that canon
If anyone has a chance at beating the tunnelers its house and spoilers
the scene where vegas was destroyed was in a credit part which has shown places that as far as we know are intact like the BOS base in ruin so I doubt the strip is in ruin at the moment
i doubt it, tunnelers are established to be afraid of lights and mr house constantly keeps new vegas lit up like a christmas tree
@amyroseliz but at the end of episode 8 we do see the strip is eerily dark without a single light i feel like vegas has already fallen but we'll see in s2
Not really a retcon, if House had predicted the nukes dropping then why wouldn't he at least entertain the idea of investing in vault-tec. He may have eventually diverged in method but there really is no reason for him not to be at the table.
There is a small thought that the "Fall of Shady Sands" and the "Destruction of Shady Sands" were 2 separate events. That Shady sands lost control in 2771 and was ultimately destroyed at some later date but yeah timeline wise its got people in a tizzy.
*2277
No kidding, that timeline has got people in a “Tizzy”
Kimball visits Hoover Dam from Shady Sands in 2281; Shady Sands can't be destroyed nor even lost control before that. It was still the capital after 2277. At least according to New Vegas.
@@San_Vito The bomb on Shady Sands falls around December 2282. Fallout new vegas ends on the beginning of that same year. Also everything regarding vault 31 (32 and 33) is linked with the Societal Preservation Program, showed in the games
according to the fallout wiki
Fall of shady sands happens 2277 - 2280's
2nd battle of hoover dam 2282
hank blowing up shady sands 2282 (same year but possibly months later) and lucy and her brother are 5-8 ish years old as their mom was trying to take them away.
tv show set in 2297
Todd, Todd never changes.
I think it's very clear they left it vague and open because of the gap between seasons. A lot of new work, new talent coming in, etc, will shape season 2 in a completely different way. Them finalizing plans for New Vegas before S2 is even in the works would be silly.
Surprised I had to scroll a bit to find a comment like this.
I’d totally love if they went this route, but I wonder if Bethesda would really let The New Vegas writers that work for Obsidian actually help with the project.
The negative critics of the shows depiction of New Vegas are the people didn’t want to face the facts, the House always wins.
Have to disagree. What it means is we have 3 ending possibilities.
1. House Always Wins
2. No Gods, No Masters
3. brand new ending.
I actually think No Gods No Master be the most fertile ending but if they instead decide to adapt the entirety of FNV they could.
Graham Wagner, one of the showrunners was quoted saying the writers wanted to avoid making any of the game endings cannon.
As it would invalidate the experience of the gamers and what they perceived to be "their" favorite endings.
So, just speculation here... but my guess is they will avoid making any of the endings cannon, while writing scenarios that would've conquered any of the winning faction(s) that eventually happened in New Vegas and the Mojave.
So, for example, if House would have won... the Enclave (or someone else) eventually went in and took him out.
Hence, the evidence of the destruction in the credits of Episode 8.
Bethesda is bipolar, they turned the good ending of fallout 3 into canon. But why wouldn't New Vegas have its own?
It seems to me like a cowardly ending for New Vegas, if none of the endings are true, it removes the meaning of any ending. No matter what I choose, it will never be real.
@@gonfr5091 Congrats, you seem to have understood why that choice was made but yet you missed the point entirely; that picking one ending would make people just as mad as you are right here that their favorite ending didn't get picked.
You know the best part? You know how to validate your ending? Play the game, like everyone else.
@@gonfr5091 I'm just speculating based on an interview I saw my friend...
At the same time, I'm not sure how they COMPLETELY avoid making any of the endings at all cannon.
It doesn't really seem feasible...
Especially if they do games and shows in the futures of any of the areas they already have stories based in... like the show is doing in the California/Nevada region currently.
It also doesn't mean any of the endings aren't "true"... it just means that after everything, someone else eventually won.
War never changes... and in the Fallout universe... it never ends.
honestly i dislike this style of writing because it leads to us never seeing our favourite characters again. If its a 'hey anyone could of won new vegas but it doesnt matter because its destroyed now :)'. Its worse than picking an ending, imo picking the Mr House ending has way better story potential than just it being rubble now.
@@SpinfoilHat I think you have a really good point, I've changed my mind about that now.
I really didn't see it from that perspective.
About your point on Brotherhood and NCR relationship, they were at each other throat for a long time now since late 2250. NCR starts expanding around 2240 and NCR starts acquiring Old-world Technology to develop their Republic. The thing about brotherhood after the first Maxson is that they hoard technology and will not let anyone but their own faction have them. NCR and brotherhood argue about which technology belongs to whom and brotherhood adopted a policy to seize any advance Old-world technology, particularly Energy weapons. There was a good(or selfish) reason why not many ingame faction use energy weapons and power armor other than BoS,Enclave and Van Graff. After that It was a long war between Brotherhood and NCR.
Given the state of New Vegas yet lack of NCR control (Every ending Caesar dies is an ending the legion collapses, and every ending the legion wins, the NCR raises an army), im guessing the Courier created an independent Vegas. House would never let that happen to Vegas and pretty much everyone including the courier had interest in his death. Im guessing when they find the Lucky 38, Yes man will be there, if anyone. I doubt they will directly show a protagonist, even one is famous as Courier. We could see characters like the Kings that arent removed return however.
Personal theory, both his predictions and the show occurred as stated.
He may have decided that they were a chaotic lot that had little chance of succeeding but may provide useful intel and access to resources. They did a very poor job considering their power pre-war. House saw this as a sign of the coming end and accelerated his plans. The cabal talks and plays around with ideas until Vault tec makes contact with the early Enclave who really like the idea of wiping the slate clean. Seeing how poorly organized and ruthless the group is they decided to jumpstart the process with Valut tec. Taking the responsibility away from the cabal and giving him little reason to talk about it post war. Most of the reason that House was doing poorly in the game is he was missing one chip from pre-war. Seems a bit coincidental that this would be hard to get on zero hour unless the members either weren't notified or only some of them were. If he had the chip pre-Fallout Vegas would have been untouched by the missiles and probably a thriving city-state. His attitude doesn't fit either, being a lot more diplomatic about how he ran the city as opposed to the crazy/autocratic plans of the Enclave and Bit MT.
I'd say that meeting may have only confirmed Mr. House's predictions. Remember, we don't know when that meeting happened in relation to the bombs dropping
A cameo doesn't mean that its a house ending.
They could spin it into mr house was lying to make himself not look evil for starting the war even if it was part of the initial lore.
Tbh house has been the only iteration of a chanche of restoring humanity that felt sound to me.
Mind, machines, resources, he got everything, he somewhat won the competition against the other companies of 2077.
Almost made possible for vegas and mojave to survive the war unscathed, just 1 day off from that.
Man might feel like the coldest option, but in fact is the only one practical enough to work.
Mr House is likely much smarter than all of the other CEOs in that room. When he did his calculations for the end of the world, I’ll bet he attended the meeting simply out of sheer curiosity but knew that he would come out on top
3:42 House says he ran the projections in 2065, the corporate meeting takes place likely in the early 2070's. He figured it out and was taking steps to protect Vegas long before he walked into that meeting room. Likely he only went to that meeting to get an inside handle on just how dire the situation was. Then he started working on the Platinum Chip project to upgrade his Securitrons, but was unable to get the chip in time to make the system upgrade before the war
Corrections: NCR isn't destroyed, just weaken. This has been confirmed by Todd Howard. Vault-Tec played a part, but did not drop the bomb themselves.
The NCR was destroyed at the Griffith Observatory finally.
@@JohannWolf99 Nope! Watch the interview with Todd. He is very clear on this. The NCR is still around. He is also crystal clear that Shady Sands was destroyed AFTER the events of New Vegas.
I hate that people think just because one city got nuked they just fell apart. NCR is all across California, Nevada, and New Mexico. With a population at the time of New Vegas sitting at 700,000+ and still growing. Even if they lost the second battle of hoover damn a civilization like that wouldn't just fall apart.
I think house may have predicted the war via calculations a bit before that meeting where they decided to do it themselves
I expect that, having killed off all the factions from Fallout 1 and 2 (except the Enclave, which they apparently re-resurrected for no actual plot reason - literally anyone could've been carrying the power chip), we will see all the New Vegas factions killed off in Season Two.
Apart from the Legion, (and the Elijah ending) I think any ending is possible. My reasoning is that Bethesda doesn't like the evil ending being canon. Something we saw in F04 de-canonising the ending where you destroy the Citadel. And the TV show has already de-canonised the Institute and Railroad ending (with the Prydwen being there).
So starting with the NCR, they secure the Mojave, but then the fall of Shady Sands, as well as the NCR being stretched too thin causes an inevitable collapse. The Mojave is abandoned as the NCR standing army deserts or retreats to secure California. Once the NCR is gone anarchy reigns the streets resulting in the scenes we see in the post credits of the TV show. I feel that this is the most likely.
Yes-Man (Independent). So the NCR army is gone and the Securatrons control the Strip, dam and other key positions. The last conversation you have with Yes-Man points towards him re-programming himself to be more "assertive". If that happens, then I could see YM going full psycho and starting a war with everyone else (possibly the Courier too) and the end result of that being what we see. The second possibility is that without House and/or the Courier the SC army is eventually broken down through gradual attrition leaving a ruin. Either way so long as YM threw Oliver off the dam, I'm happy.
Lastly House. I hope House isn't the canonical ending because out of the three options he is definitely the best one for a long term future and if they make the House ending canon that would be a slap in the face to every House player, making it so every sacrifice was a waste. Putting that aside the most likely House outcome I can see is if another factor (maybe the Courier) takes House out the picture and from there everything falls apart.
I know some people (myself included) thought that with House in series 1, doesn't that mean he'll be in series 2? Answer, yes. But it's possible he might be there in some other form, perhaps in holotape entries, or terminals, or maybe using some technology from big MT he was able to transfer his mind into a SC or some machine so he isn't limited by the lucky 38 anymore.
This whole video is absolute COPE considering that New Vegas isn’t light up and the walls are wrecked…
Yes! The lights being out in New Vegas at best means it’s a Ghost Town, at worst it’s a mass grave.
Bruh, you're assuming too many things from a fricking 3 second scene. I highly doubt they actually showed 100% accurate Vegas.
@@darkphoenix2745 Why did they show it like that then? A "fricking 3 second scene" that shows New Vegas destroyed.
@@user-kj14pj8lv8It didn’t look destroyed to me, just daytime.
I don’t think the show retconned Mr house knowing about nuclear war going to happen. I think he knew and kept it secret and started working on it in secret. (Because why the hell would he tell anyone he knows about the end of the world) and his technology was incorporated into vault Tec so it’s no surprise he was at the meeting. And he played it off like he didn’t know what was going to happen, that’s why he asked why they were basing it off a hypothetical. Then when they tell him they are going to drop the bombs, he most likely freaked out a bit in the inside, but it proved him right, and probably ordered the platinum chip right then and there. Only he was a day late as we know
The NCR has NOT completely collapsed. They've just lost certain areas. At least that's how Toddie boy made it sound.
The fall was the war with the legion. It began in 2277 with the first battle of Hoover Dam.
It slowly drained the repiblic out of their resources and manpower and pushed them into a economical downwards spiral.
The nuke of Shady Sands just accelerate what was already in movement, the decadence of a empire wich grew too big too fast and was too spread to hold on their holdings while keeping internal stability.
I'm pretty sure that the fallout series is set in the year 2296. 9 years after Fallout 4. So I hope we see a Hover Dam reference and some survivors from the Khans and the Legion. So hyped for Season 2.
Mr. House in 2065 made the calculation that deemed the end of the world within 15 years.. the meeting in the series feels close to 2077 maybe 2075 because of Cooper Howard's daughter age in the time of the meeting and the falling of nukes.. also something about maximus's childhood.. if the destruction of shady sands was in 2277 and that was in his childhood then the destruction of shady sands was maybe 15 to 20 years prior of the series
The meeting with house is in 2077, so him saying that he “mathematically deduced” the war to happen in 2065 just means he knew the war was gonna happen, so when he was invited to meet with Vault-Tec, he likely went into the meeting knowing that his predictions were all but confirmed at this point and according to plan.
The Courier walking with all his companions walking into Vegas to take it over again after it’s in ruins is gonna go crazy.
Gonna argue that if Mr. House is in charge, that also means a 1 Int Courier is canon and makes sense after 2 bullets to the brain. I personally went for a Yes Man ending but suspected House was canon.
Just a thought, but maybe House is still in control…. Cause it’s pre-game. NCR could have just attacked and House defended.
He did come out on 2274 and unite the Three Families. The lack of buildings around the Strip might just be lazy animators.
One thing that confuses me is what’s the point of doing scientific experiments on the last of humanity if there’s no one to do anything with that research..
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Why would house allow the strip to be destroyed? Aren’t his securitrons very powerful with missiles and miniguns? Idk it doesn’t make sense.
Also the Legion needed Vegas for a new capital, he never intended to destroy it.
Depends really on which ending, for example the securitrons only got upgraded cause of the Courier getting the chip from the Legion if you sided with Mr House. The show could also follow a completely original ending where different things happened at the end of Fallout New Vegas
In the ending credits you can see securitirons broken laying around the strip in front of a lucky 38 in ruins
We actually don't know that it is destroyed. It doesn't look crazy different from how it did during the daytime in Fallout:NV
@@crazando like I said, watch the ending credits
Or as house would say "want to see the fates of democracies? Look out the windows"
i only really played fallout 4 but mr house's character seems extremely interesting i was also spoiled about the reveal of mr house in new vegas but that must have been a big plottwist
This makes me realize that ED-E who was trying to reach the enclave managed to find them
they did collapse tho. Following the series in that area they did "collapse" doesn't mean their movement did? they lost shady but still have outposts around it.
Premature to make these assertions.
You assume Todd is intending to follow the script of New Vegas.
No indication that is true.
I think he intends to retcon as much as he feels he can get away with.
To put paid so as to to speak to the New Vegas fandom he knows is out there.
I think Mr. House just wants some of the credit for «finding out about the impending nuclear war» himself. That’s certainly more plausible than positivism actually being worth a shit…
I dont know why all the New Vegas fans are upset about the show. I was ecstatic that they included so much from my favorite fallout. I cannot wait till season 2 to see how much more we get!
I dont think it matters who wins NV. The Tunnelers were coming and the best opposition against it would be House. However, hes still pretty unaware of them and what they are.
These things scared away Deathclaws btw.
If Barb knew when the bombs were gonna fall why didn't she have her kid that day?
You know have a very sneaky suspicion that house isn’t dead…well he’s all the way technically/lawfully dead but he may have just copied his mind into something like the platinum chip and this way we get a House but it’ll be his robot son with all his memories and ambitions lol
There is no thing as canon for Games to Movies, as the inherent inclusion of potential player would invalidate any/all endings, as Canon is just one of the viable path that COULD be taken
at its best, its assumed that any/all previously mentioned Media, has the complete absence of any type of Player, in which the player's character is considered a NPC by default.
I hope you're right. Mr. House was always my favorite fraction in New Vegas.
As an NCR supporter, I'm completely cool with this.
In the first place having Vault-Tec be responsible is such a dumb plot. It was way better when it was a mystery. Why on Earth would a company nuke the place that ALL their money comes from? Why on Earth would the government be down for that? You can't make tons of money and be a superpower when there is nothing left.
also tbh in the game i always tought of house being a major player, having enough equipment ready to have prolonged his life. knowing about history etc i usually sided with him.
The scary part about everything happening and the bombs dropping is that it's not too far off from reality
Tbh I think it’s yes man. It’s the only ending where the brotherhood survives
3:23 this could easily be fixed by just saying Mr. House lied to the Courier and this show finally gave a glimpse at the realty. The truth is: the game was rigged from the start.
If we look at the new vegas it the show the courier probably Crippled him. He was waiting for Hank to save him.
I think all endings to fallout are still possible as the NCR faction we see in the tv show may just be a different wing of the group located in LA similar to how we know that there are more BOS than what we see in the show or in fallout 4 , just because this branch failed does not mean the NCR as a whole is gone or defeated
mr house didnt like the idea of the vaults im pretty sure he even filled in the vault in the center of new vegas with concrete, also why does the town look so fucked up with no lights, something is up
I don't know man, they wouldn't tear down the whole city. Hard to believe your assumptions
The Republic collapsing isn't too outrageous economic trouble because of the war and the fall of the capital may have also seen most political leaders in the government killed.
The timing of all that is just confusing
I want to see House so bad in the show properly! He is my favorite character in all of Fallout!
Ill be pretty pissed if house isn’t the canon ending. It’d be so dumb and remove an interesting part of the lore just replace it with another ncr location.
To be fair, Vegas was probably screwed no matter what ending. Even if House won, there are other factors that would probably lead to its downfall. It’s still possible that House is alive though, and perhaps Lucy’s father will try to find him and conjure up some sort of plan that establishes the main conflict of season 2.
If the house ending is canon then why does New Vegas look completely abandoned?
show making him collude with vaultech makes no sense he has more money that all those people in that table
The show never shows him colluding so that is good. But I really hope they do not try to push that narrative later
Não da pra ter 100% de certeza, algumas pessoas teorizaram que pode ter acontecido o final do Yes Man, e o fato de Vegas estar destruída ter algo a ver com aquilo de ele "desligar para fazer um upgrade".
Honestly, I think you misunderstand how government works on this level.
The fallout games really depict humanity at a much lower stage of sociopolitical development. A classical petty republic like the NCR is a single sack of its capital city away from collapse just like most ancient societies were.
If the concentration of wealth, politics, and military command is in once city, the dominos of collapse and chaos will rapidly occur as people scatter to hoard resources for themselves.
An NCR Vertibird on The Strip and a downed Securitron is shown in the credits, following the New Vegas reveal. It doesn't seem like anyone talking about what happened to the NCR and what could have happened to Mr House noticed this.
Even if the ncr got into nv they probably never made it to houses body, maybe shut his control center down, but he very well could still be in that secret room. Hank might show up, see the destruction and carnage and go find house and turn him back online
The Fallout TV show is entirely non-canon, and is full of massive plot holes that make it incongruous with the games.
3:45 nah both of these can be true. He predicted it AND was let in on the plan later on
It’s going to be Yes Man. It is written.
NCR and peaceful are strange words to put together
I've gone with the House ending everytime. I assume they are gonna do something different though, not exactly involving any of the endings.
So what you're saying is... the West Coast BoS has been wiped out completely?
The problem with this is that if you had infinite energy you would make so much more money than selling the vaults.
What they really wanted was to restructure the world and be the overall power/government. They kept cold fusion in the hopes to one day come from the vaults and restore power hoping everyone will bow down to them. It was all a power play in the end, they didn’t really care about the money, they were the richest company in the world and owned pretty much every tech company
it make the most since because it would expand how he got the robots and why he was in a time freezer thing and that why he the probably the cannon ending also the main player is called the carrier so it make since on why he would give the plumate chip he want to kill benny and probably due his job
hank woildnt even know if house was alive and setting a canon ending is not what they can do. "possible hints" dont overstate the contract lol
It also shows newvegas desolate my geuss would be either mr house but in my opinion more likly is courier 6 ending and some point later something happened leaving it desolate and destroyed sadly
Mr House isn’t as evil as the rest good choice imo
Although I hope they didn’t, it seems like the show is hinting that Bethesda has new Vegas destroyed. In that case, could Caesar have won, disabled the securitrons and eventually had Vegas picked apart by raiders with the weaker defenses, then upon his death, due to old age or the tumor coming back, had Vegas fall to anarchy?
Best new vegas ending is cannon hell yeah
I really wanted to watch this but the narrations genuinely hurts
It's such a shame that Odo (René Auberjonois) won't be reprising his role as the voice of Mr. House. RIP Mr. Auberjonois.
ikr, anyways the dude looks like the mutant in the series with the one eye
If anything you will likely hear some voice recordings. From the game.
Godbless him
I really hope we can get Michael Dorn in on this. Worf as a live action supermutant... if only it could be Frank.
@@nopenoperson9118 This cameo makes sense.
To be fair Mr. House predicting the end of the world in 2065 isn’t incompatible with him knowing Vault Tech would start the war after a meeting. It could even explain why he was a day off.
Edit. Thanks for the likes 👍🏻
Don’t think Vault Tec dropped the bomb still
in the Series he seems that doesn't like the idea,maybe he refused to continue and started to Study Vault tech and all the data from the war to predict when Vault Tech will drop the first bomb to Start the Doomdsday
@@jazzysoggy12nothing in that show is canon in my book
I mean. If YOU were part of a secret Cabal that ended the world, would you tell some rando courier? Especially one you're trying to convince to work with you?
@@jazzysoggy12 They didn't drop the bomb directly, no. But they convinced those in power within the Enclave to launch nukes at China, which in turn made China launch their nukes at the US. Mutually assured destruction.
Watch the scene again: House doesn't buy into the plan that they have, you can tell he's just taking in the information they're giving him. They purposely have him as the most skeptical person there.
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Ye house doesent want to nuke the world lmao hes already rich and the most powerfull one in the robotics center so why does he need more
yeah i think he still had all the calculations done and knew it was coming. I think him in that meeting just officially confirmed that they were right
Mr House would 100% play them for fools and double cross them. They all prob tried to double cross each other anyway
Well yeah I’m sure vault tec had made a vault for their executives and major shareholders but house didn’t trust that shit and instead invested in defenses for the strip
@@kevinescobar370there was a Vault in Vegas itself. I bet he had it built in a way he could take advantage of the spare resources and free tech.
Too bad he was stuck with Windows XP.
@@LordDaretthat would explain why he wanted to fill it with concrete
@@mr.notlegit7940he filled it with concrete specifically because the vault complex was a security risk. The vault reached far outside Vegas’s walls, so it was basically a giant tunnel that could be camped if infiltrated. If I remember correctly, the other end wound up with Caesar camping right on top of it so filling it was the right call.
@@LordDaret Does it really connect all the way to the fort?
Mr House says it exactly that he made his prediction in 2065. We don't know exactly when that Meeting with Vault Tec was but it could be anywhere between 2065 - 2077. It would still make his statement true. He made calculations and had his own plan *then* Vault Tec invited him to the meeting. He would't just tell them then and there that he had his own plans, he'd keep it a secret.
No, actually the meeting with vault tec has to be within 3-4 years before 2077 because the Ghoul's daughter looks about same age as when the bombs dropped. So House DEFINITELY DID predict it before they told him. He wasn't just lying
@@crazando you can tell by his dialogue in this scene and the fact he doesn’t recommend a vault experiment that he’s already got his mind set on his new vegas plan, it would make sense that he wasn’t part of this scheme after this meeting as he isn’t frozen and has found other means of staying alive for over 200 years
@@crazando House is not a reliable narrator.
@@crazando The meeting could not have happened after 2075 because robco bought repconn in 2075 and there was a repconn representative in the meeting, now I wonder if he bought repconn as part of his plan to defend vegas with rockets built and developed by repconn?
@@bragagd1618this is actually good, because this gives us almost complete confirmation that this meeting took place somewhere in the years 2073 or 2074. That’s around 1-2 years for mr house to formulate his final plans before purchasing repcon.
everyone keeps fucking forgetting that house NEVER wanted the NCR to fall, as he saw them as a customer and a source of income. He also stated that, should you go for the house ending, that he expects there to be a dip in revenue for about 2ish years as the situation in the NCR is stabilized a bit, as at that point he would have full control over hoover dam which he intended to fully repair and bring it back to full power output, which he can then sell to both the NCR and the nevada area. In the end Houses ultimate plan was .SPACE. COLONIZATION, where he state's and I quote "With all that money porin in? Give me 20 years, and I will reignite the high technology sector, 50 years and I will have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation", this is Houses ultimate plan. So having the NCR jsut... get taken behind the barn and have its head blown open and having New Vegas look like shit is just.... BLARG!
The one thing you aren't factoring in is Mr. House is a salesman. He's quite literally telling you, the player character, everything you want to hear. When you finally see behind the curtain and meet the "Wizard of OZ" it isn't a pretty sight. It doesn't exactly inspire a skeptical person into thinking he can last to the next decade. If the Enclave, Pre-war U.S government, and all the other world factions couldn't pull off a space colony ship before the war, there is VERY little chance of anyone doing it after. Furthermore, its stated in game that all the Vaults eventually fail regardless of circumstances proving there is just too much that can go wrong during the trip to the nearest habitable world. LIGHT YEARS AWAY. You can see this time and time again in multiple vaults across multiple games from the benign ones to even the freezing/suspended animation ones.
Mr. House is selling you a pipe dream because during NV he is the one with the weakest hand at the table. Even with the securitron army active it would make taking Vegas difficult but not impossible for the Legion or NCR. It's sole purpose is to put House in an upper hand position to cut another deal. Not smash his rivals.
The truth is I think they're going with the Yes Man ending in order to keep their writing easier for them. It's far easier for Hank to take over the Lucky 38 if all the NV factions wiped each other out and the courier died after the war once the casinos turned on him/her. All they need to do is put a smiling face on a computer near Hank and it all makes sense as to why Vegas is the way it is now.
@@pokeman5000 then where is the legion? or its remnants to be specific, as it is stated in game that the only reason it is even a thing is cos of Caesar, and that after his death it would stick around a bit longer cos of laniuses iron fist, ASUMBING you talked him down, but inevitably the legion will fall and splinter. So keeping that in mind there should have been a LOT more raider tribes or legion splinter factions that formed that are still around the nevada and NV area, yet no mention of them or the legion it self is ever brought up. Which is another issue along with the NCR being nuked out of existence as a formal power in the wasteland. I will concede the point about House selling us on an idea, as you have pointed out he is a salesmen, but there is also the flip of it, the part where he is a businessman that is looking to both strengthen and expand is power base. He has survived for 200 years on buggy software and half operational hardware, whos to say that he cant survive for 200 more years with a fully operational Lucky 38, the only reason he would not last for more then a decade more is if you take him out of his pod and kill him, so if he stays in it he MIGHT be able to do what he is selling you, us the players, on. Which then cercles us back to the big question: which of the remaining 2 endings is the cannon ending to FNV now, given that the NCR is more or less FUBAR and the Legion is no where to be seen, that jsut leaves us with the yes man and house endings. I personally always lean more in to the house ending as, imo, House is the best option for survival and progress in the wasteland, or at least in the nevada area, the yes man ending to me feels more like " Fuck it, I dont care how big the room is, I said I cast FIREBALL" kinda ending. But thats jsut my own 2 bits on this, it remains to be seen how they fill in the MASSIVE hole the made with the NCR, lack of Legion and which of the 2 remaining endings is now cannon to FNV. Pich forks and torches are at the ready btw
@@lazarmarinkovic8486 You're thinking too much like a player and not like a writer. If they were willing to nuke Shady Sands an OG location from 1/2 and cripple the NCR appearing in 3 games then they would be more than willing to do the same to the Legion (off screen even) which is basically a NV exclusive faction. Hank says it verbatim "The solution is to get rid of the factions." It frees up the writers and staff to go in a different direction.
Truth is I give House 50/50 odds for next season. He appears in 1 episode but its more of a nod than a plot relevant character. It's the writers saying "Yes, Mr. House would be invited to sit at the big kids table to discuss the apocalypse with Vault-Tec and the other major corporations. Here you go fans." It's just immensely easier to set Hank up as the bad guy in Vegas while keeping some semblance of the continuity from NV with Yes Man. I'd honestly wager Hank will setup his own pseudo Enclave in Vegas and the reason he does so is because the Lucky 38 is equipped to shoot down nukes coming its way. Ergo it isn't a leap to say it can shoot down the massive Brotherhood Prydwen. Hanks goal is to knock out rival factions and the Brotherhood has set itself up as next on the chopping block.
@@pokeman5000 Fair enough, tho my point on the legion still dos stand, regardless if they are a NV exclusive faction, they still left a BIG mark on the nevada area as a hole, they are going to have to at LEAST mention them or camio an abandoned legion banner somewhere jsut so that the can acknowledge that the legion existed, hell they could even work in that some one brings them up whilst talking to the MC's like I dont know, the raids, the slavery the raizing of that one place whos name I forget, jsut s othat they acknowledge that the legion DID exist but is no longer a player, cos so long as you dont go with the legion ending, the legion is doomed to fracture and fall apart leaving a lot of warbands and raider gangs of which SOME may still be lurking in the nevada area. theres 101 ways from a righting perspective that this could be incorporated in to season 2, like the most simplest one being, the MC/s run in to a small raider band that still has there former legion gear and they wipe them out, and then its explained in passing who they are as the keep going. That is the EASIEST and SIMPLEST way to wright in the legion or whats left of it. Is it a cheese way and a cope out? absolutely, but its still one of the possible ways it can be done
@@lazarmarinkovic8486don't mean to be rude but what is your point? They have yet to show season 2 so they could still have a legion callback.
The Mr House Ending states that he would "keep New Vegas stable, if not free, for generations." 15 years isn't "generations."
Who says New Vegas wont remain stable?
the show MCs issue is with her father, she could possibly work with house against her father
That'd be epic @@L4NTZEN
Ngl it looked pretty abandoned at the end of the show @@L4NTZEN
@@CameronMiddleton So does vegas during the day in the game until night hits
@@hyperkaioken4982 not really. its always full of people and there aren't destroyed robots and crashed vertibirds littering the streets.
There is also the possibility of one of the Lonesome road endings being canon. The additional nukes would have cutoff NCR access to Vegas and the tourism flow House expected.
One of them have to be, it just makes sense
It'd make sense. But so far, the only nuke we've heard about was already explained and was unrelated.
Also, Ulysses mentions that the tunnlers would reach the mojave within a few years
@@Swanky2024 This so much. And there's a picture of what looks like a Tunneler or a Trog in the background of a scene, it's a blink and miss situation. But I doubt it's a Trog, those cannot exist outside of Pittsburgh. It would be super interesting that no matter who won at Hoover Dam, eventually Ulysses' predictions came true and the Tunnelers ran amok through the Mojave after the events of NV, potentially swarming the city.
they literally said they wouldn't set a canon ending it was in the contract
It would be funny if they get to New Vegas and everyone think Mr. House won only for it to reveal it's Yes Man behind the screen following instructions from Courier who has long since left after getting bored.
Thats whats gonna happen 100%
that would be fucking epic! def need a reference to the courier or something.
No 👎
@@J22k5J well man that's like your opinion
@@willreed2052 What about the Battle of The Divide?
Watch it be yes man
Because let me tell you vegas didn't expand like how house said he would
Mrhouse be like give me 15 years and i will have complete control of the northern Mojave
15 years later.... Courier the strip has no power please restore it😂
Id prefer house. I hate yes man because you can’t kill him. The best you can do is use console commands and he’ll still appear at the end of the game if you choose him to rule vegas
@@BallinProductionDogs Just imagine if Obsidian had another year of development time, maybe even two - I reckon they'd have added an independent-but-without-yes-man outcome.
The most based ending.
NCR is probably reorganized up north, there are more major cities up north than the south with the sign saying Shady Sands(first capital of the NCR). Meaning that the Hub, Vault City, New Reno ,or Arroyo might be the new capital. I doubt NCR is completely gone entirely, they probably will return in a Season 3 or for Fallout 5.
the NCR was a full blown nation state by the time of NV, there is no way civilization just stopped even if they fragmented into city states again
Dont forget Shi in Sac Town
In the s1 episode 8 end credits you can see Vegas is utterly destroyed in a great battle between NCR and Vegas, Todd Howard also said NCR may exist in " some form" in a recent interview, so he doesn't want humanity to develop and society to slowly build itself back together. He wants it to perpetually be a desolate wasteland with people living fairly primitives save for BoS and Enclave factions. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the cities of NCR got hit by nukes or by terrible catastrophies of other sorts. Erase the direction obsidian was taking the world, and have it perpetually be a fallout3ish wasteland.
Smartest take I've seen
I hate that people think just because one city got nuked they just fell apart. NCR is all across California, Nevada, and New Mexico. With a population at the time of New Vegas sitting at 700,000+ and still growing. Even if they lost the second battle of hoover damn a civilization like that wouldn't just fall apart.
3:44 he said by 2065 he deemed it a mathematical certainty that the bombs would drop, by the point of the movie it was 2077. He could have just joined up because this was the certainty he evaluated, but the only thing that was missing was him being a day short.
Probably earlier than 2077. Rob-Co bought Repconn in 2075 and still in the meeting is a Repconn Rep at the conference, so it could actually be during the 2060s.
@@RenegadeSamurai can't be during the 60's because Cooper's daughter is the same or very similar age to the day the bombs fell. In episode 1 we see her and the later flashbacks happened before that date, while Cooper and Barb are still married and we see their daughter and she looks the same. I think all the flash backs happen within a year of each other. But it could be 2075 and House decides to Buy Repconn in order to gain more resources and personnel so that he could more easily and efferently prepare
Cant be 2077 because repconn was a separate entity.
If this info is correct, then we could interpret it one of two ways.
A. Repconn received a separate invitation despite being owned by Rob-co.
B. This takes place, at a minimum, during 2075. This is because Cooper's daughter doesn't have much visible aging between the last time we're shown her before Coop listens in on the meeting, and the 2077 flashbacks.
@@RenegadeSamurai I would say that he could have bought Repconn because of the meeting, Mr. House now has concrete proof that he is correct and needs to accelerate his plans or make backup arrangements if his projects cannot be completed faster.
I think "complete fall' of the NCR is overstated too. Shady Sands was 35,000 peeps, so a HUGE amount of their population is still around, just reeling. Those who survived Shady Sands are of course going to teach about their immediate woes the most
I bet well find out in future seasons that other cities like Vaultcity, Hub, Klamath etc were also hit by nukes or some other major catastrophy so that Bethesda can more or less get rid of NCR as a substantial power.
Todd Howard seems to perpetually want the world to be a desolate wasteland with pockets of humanity living inside the crumbling ruins of the old world building homes out of scrap junk, unable to rediscover masonry or build infrastructure (save for BoS and enclave). In f4 we can probably be certain the Institute are wiped out. Gotta have that perpetual barely evolving wasteland.
They're definitely going to the nearest NCR city, like Vault city or something.
They probably lost their leadership at that time, but yes, there’s no way this was the end of the NCR. Other group like BoS, Enclave, and any remnants of the Legion would’ve taken advantage of the situation, so most of the NCR was probably too focused on securing it’s borders to help Muldover with her power plan.
MR house was always the rational one. He was the only one making effort to save vegas from nukes
Hank may actually be ignorant of House downfall caused by some guy with a bullet in his head.
So Courier may be canonic ruler of Vegas
If so , will we get a cannon courier or will it just be yes man telling them the boss is out and to leave a message
That what I'm scared of actually. I love New Vegas because game doesn't tell you WHO are you supposed to be, but instead gives you all the tools to become whom you want to. It's alright if Bethesda says that one of endings of NV is canon, actually I kinda liked the series and I would love to see Mr.House in action. But I hope they won't do anything specific with Courier. "Oh, yeah, I would help ya with force, had that one guy with strong fucking will, but we go our separate ways. He did his part anyways." - something like that would be good
@@stehouse with the amount of endings, it'd be pretty problematic to find a good compromise.
I doubt they would bring the courier back but if they did they would have to conceal his appearance real good with riot gear and make him a mute
@@pucciresetingthembobs5144 If Yes man's there, he could mention how his 'boss' left for something a while ago, and at the ending of the season, a figure approaches New Vegas, happy to be at home.
I like the idea, but I don't know, as you can see in the credits sequences destroyed NCR vertibirds and Securitrons, so there was a conflict inside the Strip, So New Vegas isn't intact, I think the Yes Man ending would aslo fit with this
But you can also argue the other endings could also had happend, If the NCR won a conflic between the families and the NCR could had happend after the destruction of the capital, and if the Legion won, after Ceasar's dead Lanius would overextend his forces to keep th Mojave and he would start worring about losing the East (This is foreshadowed in various dialogues in the game, especially with Lanius during the last battle), so he would return east and the NCR and the Families would figth to retake control
I think the would keep the ending ambiguous
Yeah but then why Hanks would like to go to New vegas if house is dead ?
@@maximeblanco6117 but how does he know that House is dead?
The Yes Man ending could also make anything the second season brings totally canon. They could just say that a psycho-Mailman take over vegas and brought total chaos into the Mojave.
@@maximeblanco6117 Well remember that they outsource vaults to the various companies so maybe he knows something about the vaults in that area
Also remember that vault-tec sees everyone that isn’t them competitors, and the idea was to divided the vaults and see which one of there ideas won, son Hank would see Rob-Co as competitors, so I don’t think he is looking for Mr. House but Barb Howard, as his assistant and Vault-Tec employ he would know were she is, it makes more sense he is looking for her instead of Mr. House, I think she is still alive either frozen, a brain, a computer, or maybe a ghoul
My theory is that they are going to use the plot of Diana from the Black Isle Studio’s cancelled Fallout 3, also known as Van Burren, who was a human brain attached to a supercomputer
What if hanks goal is to reseal himself inside the lucky 38 and reactivate Any remaining securitrons as a last stand against his daughter and the brotherhood.
The fall of shady sands was famine and drought they couldn’t recover from. 2277 was the start of the famine. So the fall. They didn’t add a date under the mushroom cloud is all. Most likely 2283-2284 my guess. 2-3 years after NV.
your right, this is the answer, people just seem to get angry that its not established in stone, even though anything we learn in the games is through second hand sources and not set in stone too, i dont understand the fuss.
headcanon as lore, we really be fallout vibin out here
@@hasanhaskovic4307 I asume you are referring to yourself. Because what I said is brought up and in game.
@@hasanhaskovic4307 What is your take?
Did you know that shady sands was not the capital of the NCR. It was the capital of the state. They control 4 states. 4 capitals. The Hub is actually the HQ of the NCR. Shady sands a shell of its former self in 2281. You find this out in NV!! If you actually snoop and find all the little things. The things not just prest into your face you would know.
@@Trampus10-4 bait used to be believable.
The presence of the BoS at Shady Shand could be explain by the Eastern Brotherooh sending reinforcement to the West. In the first episode, the order to pursue the target come from the chapter in the Commonwealth. This indicated that the BoS win in Fallout 4 (or the Minutemen but it seem less likely). After this victory, Maxson would surely send help to the Western BoS, which was in a dire situation. That would explain why Western BoS would recruit wastelanders like we saw in the show: they adopted some practise of the East. These BoS reinforcements are probably an other explanation for the NCR fall. It would be much harder for the NCR to fight a Brotherhood which can reconstitute it's rank by recruiting Wastelander. Then with Shady Sand destroyed, the NCR probably disintegrated, which each community going independent instead of supporting each other.
A minutemen/brotherhood alliance would make sense.
The reaction to the chalk board has to be the most overblown reaction I’ve ever seen, there’s an arrow between “the fall” and bomb diagram, they’re painfully cleary two different events or at the very least the start and end of a years long situation leading to the eventual blast.
Also people are quite literally making up new vegas is destroyed too, im in actual disbelief how many are saying that it is quite clearly not in the final shot, the fanbase can be so dumb and extreme at times, they have to make up justications instead of just admitting they don’t like something
Finally, someone actually watched the show!
It's also a literal classroom. It's obvious the teacher of said classroom was going to have their students try to fill in the blanks.
It's cause the ending credits show the strip looking in tatters, and if you watched the credits of each show, it shows places that they eventually go to, example KPSS is shown with a Shotgun leaning on a table with all the boobytraps.
@@omgness14 it’s not tho, it’s a stylised credit scene keeping everything in silhouettes cos they’re obviously not ready to spend budget on making or creating new vegas sets and cgi, there’s a running securitron in one shot and one downed ncr chopper doesn’t equal ruins.
Just think logically, why else would be Hank be going to vegas if not for Jodie who they included in the flashback? House alive = new vegas still alive
@@omgness14 I second the comment above about one dead robot and broken vertibird not equating ruins, but I want to add a little addition; maybe walk around the strip in game too. You have a handful of intact buildings and the rest of freehold is in ruins. What you saw was mostly Freehold.
It's a teaser, they aren't going to draw or 3D model every last speck of dust out there just to keep hardcore volatile fans from having a rabid fit. Much like how Vegas looked like a single city in the middle of the desert. Lots of people think this stuff is created with a wave of a magic wand but it's not. I'm ok with a few missing buildings, it got the point it was meant to make and that was to tease Vegas being in next season.