I forgot to mention it in the intro, as I do sometimes, but some people are asking why I chose Mr. House as the first Fallout character to cover considering the moral ambiguity surrounding his character. Well that's because I didn't! The patrons did. Mr. House was the patron pick for this month, and so he happened to be covered before any of the other more villainous organizations/people in this universe due to their selection. Hope that clears things up for people wondering why I went with him first!
Analyzing Evil; Nekron From (DC comics) Analyzing Evil; Thulsa DOOM From (KULL and Conan the barbarian) Analyzing Evil; Skeletor From (He-man and the masters of the universe) Analyzing Evil; Mumm RA From (Thundercats)
hell, even the ncr belongs on that list since they evolved into conquerors themselves between the era's of fallout 2 and fallout new vegas while becoming everything wrong with buerocracy. new vegas was the game that showed you really were picking the side that was lesser of evils
i never understood how wanting to keep your own money and invest them in things you like is immoral and egotistical but the government stealing your money to invest in things you hate isnt immoral and egotistical.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fate of Vault 21. As someone who sided with House, i find it to be one of his most interesting displays of ruthlessness that make him such a compelling character. He displaced an entire community of potentially hundreds of people, destroyed most of their home, and only allowed the remains to function as a hotel that would serve his Strip, all because he didn't want the Vault's tunnels to be used against him - only for Benny to have a secret escape tunnel of his own that went completely undetected.
Benny’s tunnel was only an exit way out of his hotel, it didn’t reach deep into the Lucky 38. The reason for Vault 21s closure was because those tunnels bordered the basement of the lucky 38
Him kicking the Vault residents out is what led to Doc Mitchell and his wife venturing towards California. She died on the way at Good springs, and doc Mitchell never moved on. You can actually find her grave. Anyway the very guy who saves you and never asks for anything in return, has dialogue trees where without expressing a negative opinion, reveals the consequences of Houses decisions. You could say it worked to the Couriers favor that things went as they went, but it didn't go to Doc Mitchell's favor. I like a lot of the good things about being under House, but I side against him for reasons like this. I love the way House built up a future Vegas, but I also prefer when the people win the jackpot and the house doesn't win. House won't bring as much change as his stans seem to think he will, most people's lives will never change, he is not the savior of the wasteland. House says democracy is what led to the war, but actually it was people like him too. The people running vault tec, were people like him. The Chinese government, were autocrats like him. He's not all to different from Caesar, he doesn't crucify people, but he just makes them live in squalor and abject misery.
The Free Economic Zone of New Vegas is an autocracy, there's no other way to put it. House doesn't respect people property rights, it's might make right for him.
Apparently,shooting defenseless,decrepit piles of man jerky is frowned upon. Even if the only reason he's presently defenseless is because you saturated his penthouse with pulse grenades.
Wouldn't be the first questionable part of the karma system. In Fallout 3, you slip an aphrodisiac on a guy without his consent on a date and it's supposed to be a good thing. And you lose karma for taking out a former Project Purity scientist who embraces the Enclave.
The karma system in general is terrible because what one might find something evil, other people will have a different perspective on that same thing. New Vegas did put far less emphasis on it in favor of the faction reputation system, but the karma system should have just been cut.
Fallout’s universe fits this show perfectly and I mean that literally there’s so many characters you can go in depth with. You got Caesar, The master, President Eden, Father Elijah, Benny, Boone, and way more have no clue if you’ve done that or not but you very much should.
@@CB7368 the possibility for this would be so sick. There’s so much analyzing evil could do with characters in the Fallout Universe especially with the new TV Show coming out
@@dialloayodele8094 Well considering they turned shady sands into a shit hole crater like the psychic damage inducing megaton I don't have high hopes for them sticking to canon let alone being able to write interesting characters and they better not touch any previous characters from games Bethesda didn't develop.
The master wasng evil tho. In his own way he wanted to save humanity and push them to a state where the wasteland is no longer poison to them. He went about in a fucked up way and it was a deeply flawed strategy but his intention was far from evil
Robert Edwin House is a peculiar character. He definitely has an ego and is a businessman first above all else, but I believe him to be a ruthless pragmatist who isn’t easily sidetracked nor does he concern himself with the affairs of others as long as they don’t conflict with his ambitions. His authoritarian tendencies are his worst quality, without question, yet he simultaneously seems the best suited to ensure the long-term survival of humanity. The man is perfectly controversial.
i disagree. when it comes down to "how do we stop the actual extinction of humanity?" house is the only one in the entire series that provides answers. its about the survival of the species. arguably, new vegas is the only actual civilization in the entire wasteland.
It’s because Authoritarianism is bad when you need peace between nations usually. Because House is trying to establish Switzerland without a Congress of Vienna, he has TO BE that force and thus establish himself as a stable nation not to be trifled with. You can’t establish this with words, just look at Haiti. I just realized the Haiti phrase is very similar to “look out the window” as House said.
@@Jimothy-723I agree with House’s vision, I just merely, like others, question his methods in reaching those goals. That said, I disagree with the notion that his vision is the only solution to ensure the survival of humanity. Under President Tandi, the NCR was doing pretty well in that regard, bringing civilization and cooperation for the collective good back to the wasteland in California. Sure with corrupt individuals like Kimball subsequently at the helm, the NCR lost its way, but the potential for it to return to its original purpose remains. Honestly a major reason I sided with House on my first playthrough was also because, in addition to supporting his long-term agenda, I wanted to give the NCR a chance to reclaim its identity from corrupt politicians like Kimball, and it’s outright stated he’s going to be thrown out of office if the NCR loses the Mojave campaign.
@@LordDaret I have to disagree, that Authoritarianism is a bad thing, especialy in good written Fallout universe (not counting Fallour 4 and 76). Everything in this universe in in shades of gray, even Legion (and underdeveloped as well, originaly map was supposed to be much bigger and even deeper than it is). Egalitarianism and Democracy have a lot of negatives, same way like direct opposite. Best example of this is BoS and Followers of Apocalypse, both on the opposite sides.
He doesn't give a fuck. Like every other dictator, despite his lofty claims, he just wants power. He could've protected all of the US from the bombs, but he didn't.
I think it’s funny driver Nephi uses a 9 iron, considering that’s almost as far away you can get from an actual driver. The only club shorter than that is a pitching wedge
Courier: It aint the 9 iron you should be concerned about Housie. Its what I'm gonna do with the knife and fork in my pack after I've finished with the 9 iron, thats whats gonna make you really wanna puke. Now just relax and don't make this harder than it has to be now, ass jerky don't make itself. FORE!! *woosh-squish-splat* House: My God, do you know what you've done!!!? Courier: Yhea, I forgot the god damn salt an' pepper. Shiet.
After House, should be Caesar, Elijah, Ulysses, THEN some NCR people. Then John Henry Eden of course followed by The Institute. No sense covering just one person when it's a hive ideology they all share.
NCR had some of the less...all the less complicated morality in NV. They were a government, in the same sense we know them, just in an apocalypse. Not that deep
I admit I haven't clicked on a video in a while for various reasons, but this was a must-click for me. Mr House is one of the most interesting characters in all of fiction, and the constant debate that rages on to this day about who or what is best for the Mojave never gets old.
@@Jormmg Plus simply having a moral sounding board to keep him in check would likely keep him from slipping too far off the deep end But the man sat around and waited for over 130 years for the opportunity to rebuild. He's clearly not a man prone to hasty decisions.
Facts. When it was all over bro set me and my boys up in the Lucky 38 permanently, and might just be me, but it really felt like Mr House had a lot of respect for the Courier too. Like, when they talked, he actually listened.
There was an alternate ending that ended up being cut where after destroying his securitrons, the Courier could convince House to surrender to the NCR and allow New Vegas to be peacefully annexed. I honestly wish they'd left this in as it would open up a multitude of interesting possibilities. Not the least of which being House slowly taking over the NCR via the ballot box.
I think it was a much better choice to cut out the peaceful Mr. House option. It FORCES the player to make the difficult choice of killing Mr. House when siding with the NCR/Legion and it makes the player really reflect and go all out for their preferred faction, no half measures. It forces the player to truly believe that their faction is the one and only good choice, which is not easy. Presenting these difficult choices and making the player reflect on which one is the best is what makes this game so fucking great. For me at least, everytime I sided with the NCR or legion, I was always filled with dread everytime I had to execute Mr. House, it really feels like you've just doomed humanity.
@@sossysoss Any time you talk about FORCING the player to do anything in a role playing game specifically designed to take into account as many outcomes as possible the player could feasibly do, you sound like a buffoon.
I like how House actually has a plan for the future. The NCR is spread too thin and can't get anything done... though they would be my next pick, the legion seems like a horrible fate tbh, and yes man is basically putting all your chips into an AI that can go skynet any moment, although the morals of that ending would depend on your character
the NCR cant even provide clean water. the Legion is doomed to fail because they are incapable of actualy forming civilization. ya know... food and medicine and all that.
THIS. Throughout the series very few factions think about the long term, and the few that do are down right evil like the Enclave and Institute but House realizes the failures of the past and knows how to move forward.
@@nashtheneet I would not call Institute as evil, well certainly same way like BoS there. Fallout 4 lore is undeveloped in a big way, so I do not have any opinion. Except that Railroad is possibly worst of them all, because their idealistic stupidity without thinking of consequences.
@@radeksilar543bos in fo4 steals crops and resources from people. institute literally murders and replaces people with their androids. how in the world can you possibly consider them LESS evil? and the railroad is maybe naive, idealistic and disorganized but certainly not evil
"Sorry to deny you a moment of primate triumph, but you'll have to go elsewhere to sound your barbaric yawp" These lines sum him up perfectly, the condesencion, the dismissal, the superiority sense. Love your content vile
For me it never came off as him being condescending. It shows that he doesn't take pleasure or romanticizes violence but sees it as necessity and nothing more. He see the celebration of it as something barbaric. So if you want to revel in a violent victory do it away from him.
@@nickchavez720 Right, it's no more condescending than your parents telling you off. It's just that when we become adults, we like to pretend we don't need to reminded of how to behave anymore. House isn't evil lol. He's definitely lawful good.
@@dramamine755 We don't know that (yet). I personally love what they did with the first season and I'm on the edge of my seat for the next. I'd love to see a backstory about how NV got rebuilt. Personally, I think House's "blink and you'll miss it" appearance was spot on. Don't forget that Bethesda collaborated on producing the adaptation. Maybe Obsidian will have a hand in the next installment.
I have some villains i like to suggest 1. The Master (the first fallout game) 2. Frank Horrigan (fallout 2) 3. DIO (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure part1 and part3)X 4. Caesar (fallout New Vegas) 5. Frieza (dragon ball) X
House is easily my favorite ending in the game. I always saw his endings as as a reflection of the Courier themselves. A good karma Courier resulting in a much more fairer House. The one thing that absolutely stood out to me the most from the rest of the factions is how he's not wanting to be the dictator, but a facilitator. He wants humanity to have a chance to thrive once again via interstellar travel and supposedly continue on without him. I've heard that the development team had to make some drawbacks to House like killing the BoS because he would've been an easy choice for players to side with over the rest. I'm one of the few that doesn't mind killing the BoS given how they refuse to adapt in the Mojave. In Veronica's quest, they literally gun down a bunch of harmless physicians and the fact that McNamara never addresses that not to mention he knows they'll die out shows how twisted the chapter is. If F:NV is to ever be given a canon ending, I think the House ending is the perfect canddiate as it leaves a lot of open ended scenarios with both the Legion and the NCR. Thanks for covering one of my favorite video-game characters of all time.
Fallout is an RPG and the courier is whoever you want them to be so it’s more of a reflection of yourself, not a complete one because a story can only account for so much (and new Vegas had a very short dev time)
RIP Rene. You were the heart and soul of DS9. Mr House was Lawful Evil. He had a plan, a possibly delusional one, but he never stepped out of a generally ethical framework to make it happen. The House always wins, because he stacked the deck; if you help him win, you win too.
Honestly, Lawful Neutral would fit Mr House more. Only thing I could see doing that was "evil" was wiping out the Steel boys and even then he was correct in assuming that they would definitely act against him.
@@MoaRideryeah i honestly agree with you more than lawful evil. house tries to kill you, you live, so he hires you to go into caesar’s camp and unleash all the securitrons. he doesn’t care who or how gets the job done, as long as the house wins
@@MoaRider No, he's evil. Not neutral. The evil comes from his selfishness and entitlement, and the actions they lead to. He has no qualms about killing any who get in his way, he displaced and gated away the "poor masses" to create the strip and _cause_ Freeside, and he literally stored himself away for 200 years with a force of robots, so he could pop up again as the self-appointed king of Vegas. Yet he still acts as if he's above all that, acts like his hands are clean and his misdeeds were justified by default because he says so. And then there's his absolute insistence on eradicating BoS because he knows their technological skills could be a potential threat to him at some point. (The obvious real reason.) House always puts House first in everything and treats the Courier as a mere tool. He doesn't ask, he _commands_ you to do things as if he had the authority.
@@MoaRider No, he's evil. Not neutral. The evil comes from his selfishness and entitlement, and the actions they lead to. He has no qualms about killing any who get in his way, he displaced and gated away a lot if people to create the strip and _cause_ Freeside, and he literally stored himself away for 200 years with a force of robots, so he could pop up again as the self-appointed king of Vegas. Yet he still acts as if he's above all that, acts like his hands are clean and his misdeeds were justified by default because he says so. And then there's his *absolute* insistence on eradicating BoS because he knows their technological skills could be a potential threat to him at some point. (The obvious real reason.) House always puts House first in everything and treats the Courier as a mere tool. He doesn't ask, he _commands_ you to do things as if he had the authority.
@@RuSosan”technological skills” is a blatant misrepresentation of why Mr. House hates the brotherhood. They are just a group of cult-minded raiders that will not hesitate to murder anyone that *might* have access to prewar knowledge or technology.
@@rhymenoceros3303That's more like a service fee on those doing business on his property. I doubt his taxation policy would be too extreme. He seems like the type of guy to see too much taxation as stifling to the economy.
I think Fallout NV is the perfect game for you to cover, because in a way every faction is evil and at the same time also has good points to them as well
Imagine if Mr. House was able to get in contact with the institute and have the same process done as Carrie did to be able to become a synth/ human hybrid
considering house went to CIT and the institute was founded by CIT graduates, it wouldn't surprise me at all that house would be able to do that. imagine if the fallout show followed this concept, since S2 is planned to be in new vegas. would be genuinely awesome
@@plugshirt1762That's not good writing. It wouldn't make sense to do that for Mr. House like it does for Curie. The main thing being that Curie was never really a person and her being in a synth body doesn't make her one. But what's the plan here? To download Mr. Houses mind to a computer then transfer it to a synth body? That isn't Mr. House. That's a thing designed to imitate him. If some scientist came up to you and offered you this service would you take it? To kill you and make an immortal thing that imitates you even if this thing acted as you 100% of the time.
@@jon6carMr.House is OBVIOUSLY set up to be in season 2 of the Fallout show in New Vegas but how he’s going to appear is most likely in the game or his real body went through some cryo-chamber sequence.
I mean the other *do* have plans but House stands out by being the one with the highest goals while simultaneously being the best equipped to ensure long term success
how about freeside? westide? north vegas? what about the fuckin mojave? say what you want about the ncr, they’re not perfect but at least they actually give somewhat of a shit about the wasteland.
@@demsocialistboiNcr gives a shit? how about freeside? westide? north vegas? what about the fuckin mojave? noone wants them here, everyone starting from goodspring and primm and ending in any non Vegas Strip part of the city has an opinion that NCR is going to push them and tax everything they do like they already do in Freeside
@@demsocialistboiFor purposes of taxation and resources. They care not for the people and if they had it their way, I'd suspect they'd flood the area with more NCR citizens, usurping the people of the Moajve.
@@demsocialistboi Mr house does care though? He had a plan to use the followers of the apocalypse throughout the Mojave and expand into freeside plus use the kings (depending on the ending)
@@someshtbaglcpl5455 Caesar isn’t the best choice for Vegas, he may be the best hope for order in the Wasteland as a whole but he would ruin what makes the city of New Vegas special. That being the debauchery of course.
House is certainly more on the ruthless side than outright evil. But boy, does he have his moments that make you question just how many graves he will fill.
An analysis of Father Elijah would be absolutely amazing. He has probably one of the most intriguing stories in fallout lore and is such an underrated character in general.
I like how all 3 factions have the element of *Past , Present and Future* and their different leanings on each one are what give them their good and bad sides: *NCR* is focused on the present while taking inspiration from the past , but not considering the futue. Its the most "good" faction on a base level , but it doesn't remove the fact that many of its officials are corrupt and their lack of forethought could lead them to make the same mistakes the previous government made. No matter how many well-intentioned people there are. *The Legion* is all about bringing the past into the present. A time whem human life only mattered if you were born into privilege or if you were strong enough to be the last man standing. Its the most prosperous faction for sure, with the most territory, resources and army. But what does that prosperity really mean when it was built on the backs of slaves who are ready to rebel at any given opportunity or when vast army is mostly made up of just slightly more disciplined and better equipped raiders who are itching at the chance to get more power. The Legion, like the empire they take so much inspiration from, is a house of cards doomed to fall in on itself because they aren't looking to fix potential future problems, just bury them with more conquests, which is ironically having the opposite effect. In fact, the conversation with Legate Lanius you can have if your Speech is high enough is essentially just you pointing this out. How the Legion's constant rapid expansion will one day stretch them soo thin that actually *defending* all that territory will be impossible. Be it from attacks from rival factions, from rebellions and/or traitors in their own ranks. And, to Lanius' credit, he does show himself reasonable enough to hear you out and has a *genuine* "Oh, shit!" moment when he does the math himself and realises that you're right. He leaves to convince Ceasar to retreat to fix the festering problems with the Legion, which he HAS been warning him about for years, albeit not before giving you a great deal of respect by saying that he's looking forward to the day he meets you and NCR on the field of battle once their hold on the east of the country is stabilised. Basically, acknowledging you as an equal for your cunning alone. This , to be fair, shows that there *are* people in the Legion who are competent leaders and who can turn into something more than what it is, but its quite unlikely The titular character of the video House, is focused on the future and learning from the past, but is completely dismissive of the present. Sure, House has an actual plan to save humanity, with the intelligence, patience, longevity and resources to make it happen. But the problem is that the guy was completely blind, whether its willfully or not doesn't matter, to the festering problems his style of governing was creating. He didn't care about the growing inequality between the citizens of New Vegas and he didn't care about the growing anemosity between the factions helping run his city or that they were all basically mobsters. When your faction is mostly made up of robots who follow your every whim and people who are only following you out of self interest, with growing inequality on top of that, what does that say about the society House would have created? How many problems will his "ideal future" really have when its foundation is this rotted? Despite his longevity, House can't live forever so, like the Legion, even if he had the time he needed to build his utopia it would eventually crumble in on itself the moment he died.
@@simoneidson21 He's a cold egoist but not a narcissist. He doesn't require narcissistic supply and seems if anything indifferent to other people's opinion of him. He doesn't even care when they betray him beyond it hurting his plans. Caesar is an actual example of a mood swinging malignant narcissist who requires (literal) worship.
@@simoneidson21 No, a narcissist would try harder to manipulate you. House is nothing but direct and transactional in his conversations with the player. He's not narcissistic, he's solipsistic. He believes himself to be the *only* person in the world that truly matters, and damns anyone else. The strip is falling apart due to him neglecting to govern it for even a single second, and Freeside is completely chaotic and borderline just as bad as being outside the walls in the mojave. The most damning thing about him is that he calculated when the bombs were going to drop *almost down to the very day it happened* and ONLY made a defense system for Vegas. He kept this a secret from the world. House could have saved the world, but he only chose to save what he saw was his property... and damn everyone else. You're right for not trusting him, but for the wrong reason
Vile Eye breaking into Fallout: New Vegas?! Oh, hellllll yeah. Such a number of legendary characters of fiction that the Fallout franchise can offer up.
Great stuff as always, Vile. Hope to see these covered some day! - Joe Cooper (Killer Joe) - Nino Brown (New Jack City) - Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors) - Dr. X (from the Operation: Mindcrime albums by Queensrÿche)
Here are some villains you could analyze in a future video: -The Major, from Hellsing Ultimate -Shogo Makishima, from Psycho-pass -John Dupont, from Foxcatcher -Vaas Montenegro, from Far Cry 3
I think what makes discussion around New Vegas endure is that you could theoretically make one of these videos for every major faction in the game. NCR, Legion, Yes Man/Benny, and House all do heinous things in order to further their own interests and take control of the Mojave.
Whether or not House was evil depends on your view of ethics, if you're an utilitarian then Mr. House is morally good but if you're an apologist of deontology he's evil
Always my favourite Ending for NV. He has a vision for the future and the track record to prove that he is actually capable to bring it into fruition. Of course his autocratic leadership style is unsuitable for the long term, but it sill beats NCR, Legion and Yes-Man
@@raidenpz the devs confimed fans misunderstood what yes man meant it was to show that yes man can put his foot down when you are not around and not be manipulated like how you used yes mans weakness against benny. you do rule vegas and how good a job you do depends on your courior so for me Yes man ending is the best because my courior is the best pick and will do everything better. Again they added that bit about yes man being more assertive so he can do shit for you while you are out in the wasteland and so no one else can use yes man against you. It would be a bad day for yes man if he fucked with courier 6 he knows better. yes man only takes orders from you now
@@maxgrozema1093Incorrect, he (Elijah) is a representation of just how evil the Brotherhood can be, turns out they are almost if not equally as evil as the Oldclave. The Brotherhood have caused many an atrocities since there inception including: Elijah’s very existence the brainwashing of Christine after destroying her life and sentencing her to a fate worse than death at the Sierra Madre as its Warden preventing less malicious parties from recovering its invaluable technology. Massacring Followers of the Apocalypse Destroying the NCR’s Gold Reserves destroying the most stable currency in the Post War. Genocidal Campaigns against Non-Feral Ghouls, Sapient and Non-Hostile FEV Spawn, and Sapient Synthetic Organisms that are no longer under the Institute’s control. The biggest crime of all the Brotherhood has committed has been their deliberate stagnation of all Technological and Scientific development unless of course it except the developments that benefits them and solely them.
He used the power of the Tomar Emeralds to escape punishment for his crimes and now is making Villain deep dive videos, Tomar can only get away with this for so long!
One of my favourite things about mr house is that one of his arguments for trusting him not to be power hungry and greedy is literally just “Trust me bro”
It's disturbing how many people see Mr. House as the best option. Yet, his vision easily gets derailed by the machinations of a guy in a checkered suit, and some woman who lives in a tent. What's more, for his plan to come to fruition, he requires the willing complicity of some brain-damaged delivery worker, who may or may not decide to just off House and take the reins for themselves. For all his prose and grandstanding, one really must question whether Mr. House is the all-knowing genius he claims to be. Say what you want about The Legion and the NCR. But, at least their goals won't go completely sideways if the courier is killed, or just faffs off elsewhere. If either of those scenarios were to happen, House would be just another obstacle for whoever wins Hoover Dam.
Imo, House has a god complex. He never seems to genuinely want to help mankind as a fellow human, just considers himself above them. He believes he’s entitled to be the ruler of humanity just because he’s really smart. Benny may have shot the Courier at the beginning, but I’ve no doubt House would’ve done exactly the same had it been to his benefit. At least when you talk to Benny in Caesar’s tent, he asks you to continue his work, meaning he was genuinely doing it for someone other than himself. I’d say it’s pretty bad if Benny is more selfless than you.
quick note, RobCo WAS putting prisoners' brains into robot and making a torture bots, so don't think House was just the normal brand of "ruthless businessman". Honestly the greatest bit of House writing was the "if you want to see the fate of democracy look at the window" line simply because he just blatantly manipulating you. Like he's just assuming you didn't know the resources war was fought because of a overconsumption of resources and one side was a literal dictatorship like he arguing is needed. like his whole pitch is the demonize his opponent by stating "democracy=war" while just restarting the cycle of consumption that doom the world in the first place, like he's just gambling on being able to get to space. granted the only other people really working on sustainability are the OSI and the Institute.
@@BaconMinion yeah those are specifically post NV, though NV also used Bethesda's "RobCo helped made a nuke throwing doomsday robot" too so not like they're just dirtying up the company image.
@@nonamegiven202 Yeah but Liberty Prime Didn't throw nukes anywhere near the size you could end the world with, and what's better: In a short process where they are incinerated or smashed he turns any commies he finds into Good Commies. With results like that, I can't complain about house making him.
@@Gun_Metal_Grey For his personal arc maybe, but I feel there's a lot more room for nuance when it comes to murdering the leader of a band of savage despoilers. Unless you're saying it's morally wrong to kill Caesar as well? At least Caesar has something of an ideological and philosophical motivation, Salt-Upon-Wounds is about as evil and senseless as they come in New Vegas.
@@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089 i wasnt saying Salt Upon Wounds wasnt evil. I implied Joshua's past with the Legion, it doesn't undo his past crimes now that he is trying to help out the Dead Horses. Graham is anti-villain during most of the DLC. Humiliating Salt Upon Wounds by sparing him in the end makes Joshua not to be so violent "hey lets erase them from existence" anymore, no matter how awful the White Legs are and he achieves peace.
I got a few suggestion for new episodes Micah Bell - Red Dead Redemption 2 The Greek - The Wire Phil Leotardo - The Sopranos Misty Quigley - Yellowjackets Livia Sopranos - The Sopranos Bob - Twin Peaks Ultron - Avengers
A subtle theme that Fallout has always had is the idea of building and maintaining civilization, and how different spectrums of humanity go about them. The BoS, the Enclave, the NCR, the Khans, the Legion, Mr. House, the Followers, the Minutemen, the Institute, even the vaults and the Master's Army. They all under unique categories of morality, politics, government structures, and cultural values, but they each share the same goal: survival and prosperity despite the circumstances. They're all trying to build back some aspect of the Old World way of life in the emptiness of the wasteland. Under the circumstances they found themselves in, they each create their own version of society with their respective upsides and flaws. But it's still rooted in that goal of building back what little remains of the Old World. People may interpret that as "there's no right or wrong answer", but I want to think of it more like "the right answer will reveal itself eventually." No matter how much the Vault Dweller, Chosen One, Lone Wanderer, Courier, or Sole Survivor do to shape the wasteland, only time will tell who will truly rebuild America, if at all. House is just one interpretation of America's future in Fallout, and there's no telling if a techno-utopia or a callous inhumane monolith will follow. But whatever happens, when all else fails, humanity will always try again. Nations rise and fall, but people will always pick up the pieces in search of a better way of life.
The interesting thing About Mr Houses death is hes the only major character where seemingly no one has anything nice to or sorrow to say about him. Pretty much everyone is happy or at-least doesn’t care. He is in general super disliked despite having good intentions, and being responsible for Vegas having as high of living standards as it has and not being overtly cruel. He may be a visionary but, he is NOT the uniting figure he thinks he is.
Robert House is the perfect morally gray character for the world of fallout. You're hard pressed to debate his reasoning because a lot of what he believes is logical based on how events played out. But his methods of obtaining his goals puts him at a place between the NCR & the legion on the morality scale.
You can definitely say House is Machiavellian, apathetic, & purely utilitarian, but I wouldn't say evil. Sure those traits definitely make him rub up against the line, but he doesn't truly cross it.
What he did to vault 21 what he continues to do to freeside are proof he is evil. A leader who does not care for all of the people he imposes his rule upon is inherently evil. He forces freeside to follow his rules and continues to not allow them the same benefits as the few wealthy people that live on the strip. Actively making a decision that condemns hundred to thousands of ppl to starving to death and other horrid living conditions is evil. You can't argue that he isn't able to help these people or that it's just a side effect he didn't intend. Keeping freeside in perpetual poverty is a conscious decision he makes to keep them so focused on day to day survival that they don't have any opportunity to push back against his rule. If he at the very least saw to it that the people of Freeside were well fed and had clean water and that it's ppl had their basic needs cared for, you could make the argument he's just utilitarian. But he chooses not to help them just because they want to be independent and his ego cannot handle doing something that doesn't end up with the people he's helping not being kept under his thumb. He very clearly can afford to extend relief to at the very least the people of Freeside and it would benefit them, but because they understandably don't want to give up their freedoms, he forces them into poverty and doesn't even allow those who are okay with being at the mercy of a corporate autocrat the opportunity to enter New Vegas unless they're wealthy enough or know someone who is. Hes just good at pretending like he's just being pragmatic even though his actions are very clearly poisoned by his ego and need to be in control and always profiting. He not only allows the casinos to run, he runs the entire The Strip itself like one big casino. He only allows you to play the game at all if he knows he can have the house edge and that you can make him richer.
I always felt that House did hold some of the best points behind his reasoning for New Vegas to be independent from NCR rule or any other outside party. The NCR themselves have gone downhill considering how much has changed since the time of the first two Fallout games. Kimball's presidency has led to more problems than it should for both the economy and morale of the republic, not to mention the blunders made by Colonel Moore and General Oliver (Moore creating conflict with the Brotherhood of Steel and Oliver creating conflict with Caesar's Legion, not to mention his personal feud against the NCR rangers).
I remember my first playthrough of New Vegas, thanks to the internet, I was able to both kill House and take control of his army of security bots, while also making friends with the Boomers, so come the siege on the dam, I was able to push both invading armies out with a combination of bomber raids and threats to target New California next (and beating up Ceasar's main honcho).
Ambition is what truly keeps that man alive. Otherwise what's the point of living in lawless and unforgiving wasteland if nobody except you tries to fix it, even for a lil' bit
I forgot to mention it in the intro, as I do sometimes, but some people are asking why I chose Mr. House as the first Fallout character to cover considering the moral ambiguity surrounding his character. Well that's because I didn't! The patrons did. Mr. House was the patron pick for this month, and so he happened to be covered before any of the other more villainous organizations/people in this universe due to their selection. Hope that clears things up for people wondering why I went with him first!
Other YT videos on Mr. House have failed to capture my interest. Well done Sir!
I just finished a show called Snowfall on Hulu and I think you should definitely do an analyzing evil on Franklin Saint!
Analyzing Evil; Nekron From (DC comics)
Analyzing Evil; Thulsa DOOM From (KULL and Conan the barbarian)
Analyzing Evil; Skeletor From (He-man and the masters of the universe)
Analyzing Evil; Mumm RA From (Thundercats)
I hope you cover Caeser Edward sallow next.
Bad choice, dude is nowhere near evil, he is just as tough as he needed to be to save his city.
Man, if we're getting an episode for Mr. House, I'm really looking forward to when you might cover Father Elijah, The Think Tank,Ulysses and Caesar.
And Joshua Graham. Not a villain per se, but an Anti-Hero.
Yes please do!!
hell, even the ncr belongs on that list since they evolved into conquerors themselves between the era's of fallout 2 and fallout new vegas while becoming everything wrong with buerocracy. new vegas was the game that showed you really were picking the side that was lesser of evils
Elijah would make a great subject for sure. Plenty of material to cover there!
All great candidates. Ulysses is one of my favorite characters in anything.
“Why did you allow President Kimball to get assassinated?”
“He tried to make me pay taxes.”
“………understandable….”
Andrew Ryan approves this.
Based
I always allow Kimbal to get capped just so I can have that sweet bit of dialog lmao
i never understood how wanting to keep your own money and invest them in things you like is immoral and egotistical but the government stealing your money to invest in things you hate isnt immoral and egotistical.
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I'm surprised you didn't mention the fate of Vault 21. As someone who sided with House, i find it to be one of his most interesting displays of ruthlessness that make him such a compelling character. He displaced an entire community of potentially hundreds of people, destroyed most of their home, and only allowed the remains to function as a hotel that would serve his Strip, all because he didn't want the Vault's tunnels to be used against him - only for Benny to have a secret escape tunnel of his own that went completely undetected.
Benny’s tunnel was only an exit way out of his hotel, it didn’t reach deep into the Lucky 38. The reason for Vault 21s closure was because those tunnels bordered the basement of the lucky 38
Him kicking the Vault residents out is what led to Doc Mitchell and his wife venturing towards California. She died on the way at Good springs, and doc Mitchell never moved on. You can actually find her grave. Anyway the very guy who saves you and never asks for anything in return, has dialogue trees where without expressing a negative opinion, reveals the consequences of Houses decisions. You could say it worked to the Couriers favor that things went as they went, but it didn't go to Doc Mitchell's favor. I like a lot of the good things about being under House, but I side against him for reasons like this. I love the way House built up a future Vegas, but I also prefer when the people win the jackpot and the house doesn't win. House won't bring as much change as his stans seem to think he will, most people's lives will never change, he is not the savior of the wasteland. House says democracy is what led to the war, but actually it was people like him too. The people running vault tec, were people like him. The Chinese government, were autocrats like him. He's not all to different from Caesar, he doesn't crucify people, but he just makes them live in squalor and abject misery.
The Free Economic Zone of New Vegas is an autocracy, there's no other way to put it. House doesn't respect people property rights, it's might make right for him.
@@no-barknoonan1335He's the Enclave without the racism
@@no-barknoonan1335I didn't know you can find Doc Mitch's wife's grave, where is it?
If House is evil, the why do I lose karma when I kill him? Checkmate 😎
Apparently,shooting defenseless,decrepit piles of man jerky is frowned upon. Even if the only reason he's presently defenseless is because you saturated his penthouse with pulse grenades.
Wouldn't be the first questionable part of the karma system. In Fallout 3, you slip an aphrodisiac on a guy without his consent on a date and it's supposed to be a good thing. And you lose karma for taking out a former Project Purity scientist who embraces the Enclave.
The karma system in general is terrible because what one might find something evil, other people will have a different perspective on that same thing. New Vegas did put far less emphasis on it in favor of the faction reputation system, but the karma system should have just been cut.
@@okagron FO3 had other worldly evil, so kamra made sense like that cult with the obelisk. NV didn't have it.
Because your Karma interface is built by RobCo. Don't damage Company assets.
By crossing into New Vegas mythos you have opened Pandora's Box
And I'm all here for it
"I prefer the term autocrat"
- Mr. House
Based Andrew Ryan
"If you want to see the fate of Democracies, look out the window."
@thechaiizfalling8349
It's one of the most memorable "oh shit" moments.
Another famous historical figure also preferred the term autocrat. I'll let you guess which one.
@@wahwahwah6690mother Teresa?
Fallout’s universe fits this show perfectly and I mean that literally there’s so many characters you can go in depth with. You got Caesar, The master, President Eden, Father Elijah, Benny, Boone, and way more have no clue if you’ve done that or not but you very much should.
Not to mention villains from the first two fallout games like the Master and Frank Horrigan
@@CB7368 the possibility for this would be so sick. There’s so much analyzing evil could do with characters in the Fallout Universe especially with the new TV Show coming out
@@dialloayodele8094 Well considering they turned shady sands into a shit hole crater like the psychic damage inducing megaton I don't have high hopes for them sticking to canon let alone being able to write interesting characters and they better not touch any previous characters from games Bethesda didn't develop.
Boone? can't a man get his vengeance and a mercy kill.
The master wasng evil tho. In his own way he wanted to save humanity and push them to a state where the wasteland is no longer poison to them. He went about in a fucked up way and it was a deeply flawed strategy but his intention was far from evil
Robert Edwin House is a peculiar character. He definitely has an ego and is a businessman first above all else, but I believe him to be a ruthless pragmatist who isn’t easily sidetracked nor does he concern himself with the affairs of others as long as they don’t conflict with his ambitions. His authoritarian tendencies are his worst quality, without question, yet he simultaneously seems the best suited to ensure the long-term survival of humanity. The man is perfectly controversial.
i disagree. when it comes down to "how do we stop the actual extinction of humanity?" house is the only one in the entire series that provides answers. its about the survival of the species. arguably, new vegas is the only actual civilization in the entire wasteland.
It’s because Authoritarianism is bad when you need peace between nations usually. Because House is trying to establish Switzerland without a Congress of Vienna, he has TO BE that force and thus establish himself as a stable nation not to be trifled with. You can’t establish this with words, just look at Haiti.
I just realized the Haiti phrase is very similar to “look out the window” as House said.
@@Jimothy-723I agree with House’s vision, I just merely, like others, question his methods in reaching those goals.
That said, I disagree with the notion that his vision is the only solution to ensure the survival of humanity. Under President Tandi, the NCR was doing pretty well in that regard, bringing civilization and cooperation for the collective good back to the wasteland in California. Sure with corrupt individuals like Kimball subsequently at the helm, the NCR lost its way, but the potential for it to return to its original purpose remains.
Honestly a major reason I sided with House on my first playthrough was also because, in addition to supporting his long-term agenda, I wanted to give the NCR a chance to reclaim its identity from corrupt politicians like Kimball, and it’s outright stated he’s going to be thrown out of office if the NCR loses the Mojave campaign.
@@LordDaret I have to disagree, that Authoritarianism is a bad thing, especialy in good written Fallout universe (not counting Fallour 4 and 76). Everything in this universe in in shades of gray, even Legion (and underdeveloped as well, originaly map was supposed to be much bigger and even deeper than it is). Egalitarianism and Democracy have a lot of negatives, same way like direct opposite.
Best example of this is BoS and Followers of Apocalypse, both on the opposite sides.
He doesn't give a fuck. Like every other dictator, despite his lofty claims, he just wants power. He could've protected all of the US from the bombs, but he didn't.
A man chooses a slave obeys,
Mr House: Courier, why are you carrying a 9 iron?
I think it’s funny driver Nephi uses a 9 iron, considering that’s almost as far away you can get from an actual driver. The only club shorter than that is a pitching wedge
Courier: It aint the 9 iron you should be concerned about Housie. Its what I'm gonna do with the knife and fork in my pack after I've finished with the 9 iron, thats whats gonna make you really wanna puke. Now just relax and don't make this harder than it has to be now, ass jerky don't make itself. FORE!! *woosh-squish-splat*
House: My God, do you know what you've done!!!?
Courier: Yhea, I forgot the god damn salt an' pepper. Shiet.
*is literally doing the slave obeys action every time you do that*
Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a video about Caesar.
Meh, I think a video on General Lee Oliver would be more interesting. Or one of the other evil NCR faction leader characters.
@@Thisisnotreal642chief hanlon deserves to be covered, his actions ultimately hurt the ncr
After House, should be Caesar, Elijah, Ulysses, THEN some NCR people. Then John Henry Eden of course followed by The Institute. No sense covering just one person when it's a hive ideology they all share.
NCR had some of the less...all the less complicated morality in NV. They were a government, in the same sense we know them, just in an apocalypse. Not that deep
@@Facebones2391taxes are evil
I admit I haven't clicked on a video in a while for various reasons, but this was a must-click for me. Mr House is one of the most interesting characters in all of fiction, and the constant debate that rages on to this day about who or what is best for the Mojave never gets old.
House is a really interesting character. He's almost an anti-villain.
Definitely. He's an "ends justify the means" type of character
@@nighteye4042 I do usually side with him, due to the bigger picture, and also. FUCK THE NCR!
@@nighteye4042Thus why i like him so much, similar view on things for most part :p
He's not even a villain
@@DovaDude That's why I said "almost" an anti-villain.
At least Mr. House was genuinely grateful for my assistance.
And the Courier ENSURES he keeps his word about his plans on humanity, while on the other endings we just get a "thanks" and some lame title/reward
How so @@DharGez
@@mrazbyte3150 The implication is you would kill him otherwise, likely by golf club to the head
@@Jormmg Plus simply having a moral sounding board to keep him in check would likely keep him from slipping too far off the deep end
But the man sat around and waited for over 130 years for the opportunity to rebuild. He's clearly not a man prone to hasty decisions.
Facts.
When it was all over bro set me and my boys up in the Lucky 38 permanently, and might just be me, but it really felt like Mr House had a lot of respect for the Courier too. Like, when they talked, he actually listened.
Mr. House is objectively correct about the BoS, though.
Yeah, well, House is old-world utopia and doesn't serve humans of Earth only his own ambitions.
Yes.
yeah but i cant bring myself to exterminate em cause karma and his bossy ass is so fuckin annoyin
Techno-fetishists, but not the kind that the Silver Rush was in the business of.
BoS is just the diet Adeptus Mechanicus
RIP Rene Auberjonois.
The Dual Performance of Armin Shimmerman (Andrew Ryan) and René Auberjonois (Robert House) is always amazing in DS9, the heart of the show imo
There was an alternate ending that ended up being cut where after destroying his securitrons, the Courier could convince House to surrender to the NCR and allow New Vegas to be peacefully annexed. I honestly wish they'd left this in as it would open up a multitude of interesting possibilities. Not the least of which being House slowly taking over the NCR via the ballot box.
I think it was a much better choice to cut out the peaceful Mr. House option. It FORCES the player to make the difficult choice of killing Mr. House when siding with the NCR/Legion and it makes the player really reflect and go all out for their preferred faction, no half measures. It forces the player to truly believe that their faction is the one and only good choice, which is not easy. Presenting these difficult choices and making the player reflect on which one is the best is what makes this game so fucking great.
For me at least, everytime I sided with the NCR or legion, I was always filled with dread everytime I had to execute Mr. House, it really feels like you've just doomed humanity.
@@sossysoss Any time you talk about FORCING the player to do anything in a role playing game specifically designed to take into account as many outcomes as possible the player could feasibly do, you sound like a buffoon.
This would be awesome unfortunately obsidian only had a year and a half to work on New Vegas. Otherwise I'm sure the game would be much much different
@@vthemachine7965 Josh Sawyer said that it was not cut due to time, but rather because it didn’t fit his character.
@@mask-mimic House wants to be sole proprietor CEO, not a board member
I like how House actually has a plan for the future.
The NCR is spread too thin and can't get anything done... though they would be my next pick, the legion seems like a horrible fate tbh, and yes man is basically putting all your chips into an AI that can go skynet any moment, although the morals of that ending would depend on your character
the NCR cant even provide clean water. the Legion is doomed to fail because they are incapable of actualy forming civilization. ya know... food and medicine and all that.
THIS. Throughout the series very few factions think about the long term, and the few that do are down right evil like the Enclave and Institute but House realizes the failures of the past and knows how to move forward.
@@nashtheneet I would not call Institute as evil, well certainly same way like BoS there. Fallout 4 lore is undeveloped in a big way, so I do not have any opinion. Except that Railroad is possibly worst of them all, because their idealistic stupidity without thinking of consequences.
@@radeksilar543bos in fo4 steals crops and resources from people. institute literally murders and replaces people with their androids. how in the world can you possibly consider them LESS evil? and the railroad is maybe naive, idealistic and disorganized but certainly not evil
I like the chaos, I’m anti-NCR it’s just boring it’s like picking the railroad in F4 lol.
"Analyzing Evil: Mr. House" - .....Oh this is going to be some fun, nuanced introspection on the man, isn't it?
"Sorry to deny you a moment of primate triumph, but you'll have to go elsewhere to sound your barbaric yawp" These lines sum him up perfectly, the condesencion, the dismissal, the superiority sense. Love your content vile
“Which you did with surprising subtlety and finesse, moving on”.
For me it never came off as him being condescending. It shows that he doesn't take pleasure or romanticizes violence but sees it as necessity and nothing more. He see the celebration of it as something barbaric. So if you want to revel in a violent victory do it away from him.
@@nickchavez720 Right, it's no more condescending than your parents telling you off.
It's just that when we become adults, we like to pretend we don't need to reminded of how to behave anymore.
House isn't evil lol. He's definitely lawful good.
The guy's been alive for 200 years, he went from.pre war society to literal rubble. I think the guys got a chip aisle on his shoulder.
Arrogance…
Mr House has that "Vegas First" mentality and I'm here for it
And the people who write the show are going to destroy all of that work he did in the lore.
@@dramamine755 Non-canon. Doesn't matter what the wokeys say.
@@dramamine755 We don't know that (yet). I personally love what they did with the first season and I'm on the edge of my seat for the next. I'd love to see a backstory about how NV got rebuilt. Personally, I think House's "blink and you'll miss it" appearance was spot on. Don't forget that Bethesda collaborated on producing the adaptation. Maybe Obsidian will have a hand in the next installment.
No he has that "Vegas strip first" mentality. He doesn't give a shit about Freeside or any of the outer Vegas communities
I have some villains i like to suggest
1. The Master (the first fallout game)
2. Frank Horrigan (fallout 2)
3. DIO (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure part1 and part3)X
4. Caesar (fallout New Vegas)
5. Frieza (dragon ball) X
The Master is one of the most interesting villains of all time and i haven’t even played the game.
The Master is a real villain.
@@Jimothy-723He is for sure but he had good intentions but as it goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions
Frieza has no nuance he’s just your moustache twirling villain bro lol
@@sercravenmohead3631 I have to agree. But I still like him as a villain well expect that he keeps coming back and back over and over.
Can we give a massive shout out to the late Rene Auberjonois for his amazing portrayal of Mr. House? He did fantastic and amazing here, and is missed.
Ive only just realised he's also odo from ds9! Two amazing characters
And Azmith from Ben 10
House is easily my favorite ending in the game. I always saw his endings as as a reflection of the Courier themselves. A good karma Courier resulting in a much more fairer House. The one thing that absolutely stood out to me the most from the rest of the factions is how he's not wanting to be the dictator, but a facilitator. He wants humanity to have a chance to thrive once again via interstellar travel and supposedly continue on without him.
I've heard that the development team had to make some drawbacks to House like killing the BoS because he would've been an easy choice for players to side with over the rest. I'm one of the few that doesn't mind killing the BoS given how they refuse to adapt in the Mojave. In Veronica's quest, they literally gun down a bunch of harmless physicians and the fact that McNamara never addresses that not to mention he knows they'll die out shows how twisted the chapter is.
If F:NV is to ever be given a canon ending, I think the House ending is the perfect canddiate as it leaves a lot of open ended scenarios with both the Legion and the NCR. Thanks for covering one of my favorite video-game characters of all time.
When Outer Worlds was coming out, a ton of people made it a joke that this game was the very future House wanted.
Fallout is an RPG and the courier is whoever you want them to be so it’s more of a reflection of yourself, not a complete one because a story can only account for so much (and new Vegas had a very short dev time)
My only problem with House ending is that he is capable of murdering the group of Elvis impersonators if he wins.
@@CCLOSPINA Complete GI Blues with the Kings attacking the NCR and he will leave them alone as he sees them as being loyal to New Vegas.
@@CCLOSPINAHe kills them ONLY if you have them side with NCR, because they start immediately attacking his Securitrons when they enter Freeside.
RIP Rene. You were the heart and soul of DS9.
Mr House was Lawful Evil. He had a plan, a possibly delusional one, but he never stepped out of a generally ethical framework to make it happen. The House always wins, because he stacked the deck; if you help him win, you win too.
Honestly, Lawful Neutral would fit Mr House more. Only thing I could see doing that was "evil" was wiping out the Steel boys and even then he was correct in assuming that they would definitely act against him.
@@MoaRideryeah i honestly agree with you more than lawful evil. house tries to kill you, you live, so he hires you to go into caesar’s camp and unleash all the securitrons. he doesn’t care who or how gets the job done, as long as the house wins
@@MoaRider
No, he's evil. Not neutral.
The evil comes from his selfishness and entitlement, and the actions they lead to.
He has no qualms about killing any who get in his way, he displaced and gated away the "poor masses" to create the strip and _cause_ Freeside, and he literally stored himself away for 200 years with a force of robots, so he could pop up again as the self-appointed king of Vegas.
Yet he still acts as if he's above all that, acts like his hands are clean and his misdeeds were justified by default because he says so.
And then there's his absolute insistence on eradicating BoS because he knows their technological skills could be a potential threat to him at some point. (The obvious real reason.)
House always puts House first in everything and treats the Courier as a mere tool.
He doesn't ask, he _commands_ you to do things as if he had the authority.
@@MoaRider
No, he's evil. Not neutral.
The evil comes from his selfishness and entitlement, and the actions they lead to.
He has no qualms about killing any who get in his way, he displaced and gated away a lot if people to create the strip and _cause_ Freeside, and he literally stored himself away for 200 years with a force of robots, so he could pop up again as the self-appointed king of Vegas.
Yet he still acts as if he's above all that, acts like his hands are clean and his misdeeds were justified by default because he says so.
And then there's his *absolute* insistence on eradicating BoS because he knows their technological skills could be a potential threat to him at some point. (The obvious real reason.)
House always puts House first in everything and treats the Courier as a mere tool.
He doesn't ask, he _commands_ you to do things as if he had the authority.
@@RuSosan”technological skills” is a blatant misrepresentation of why Mr. House hates the brotherhood. They are just a group of cult-minded raiders that will not hesitate to murder anyone that *might* have access to prewar knowledge or technology.
My favorite character in New Vegas. And Ultimately, the one I enjoy working with the most.
How can he be evil if he’s against taxes
Amen brother 😂
He's against getting taxed, not taxes lol
Dude taxes businesses for 50% of their profits.
@@rhymenoceros3303That's more like a service fee on those doing business on his property. I doubt his taxation policy would be too extreme. He seems like the type of guy to see too much taxation as stifling to the economy.
Sounds like the good guy to me
I think Fallout NV is the perfect game for you to cover, because in a way every faction is evil and at the same time also has good points to them as well
Imagine if Mr. House was able to get in contact with the institute and have the same process done as Carrie did to be able to become a synth/ human hybrid
Bro cooked here
considering house went to CIT and the institute was founded by CIT graduates, it wouldn't surprise me at all that house would be able to do that. imagine if the fallout show followed this concept, since S2 is planned to be in new vegas. would be genuinely awesome
@@SwagWolf89 put bro on the writing team
@@plugshirt1762That's not good writing. It wouldn't make sense to do that for Mr. House like it does for Curie. The main thing being that Curie was never really a person and her being in a synth body doesn't make her one.
But what's the plan here? To download Mr. Houses mind to a computer then transfer it to a synth body? That isn't Mr. House. That's a thing designed to imitate him. If some scientist came up to you and offered you this service would you take it? To kill you and make an immortal thing that imitates you even if this thing acted as you 100% of the time.
@@jon6carMr.House is OBVIOUSLY set up to be in season 2 of the Fallout show in New Vegas but how he’s going to appear is most likely in the game or his real body went through some cryo-chamber sequence.
I love Mr house. He's the only faction that has a plan for New Vegas, also that he's inspired by Howard Hughes.
I mean the other *do* have plans but House stands out by being the one with the highest goals while simultaneously being the best equipped to ensure long term success
how about freeside? westide? north vegas? what about the fuckin mojave? say what you want about the ncr, they’re not perfect but at least they actually give somewhat of a shit about the wasteland.
@@demsocialistboiNcr gives a shit? how about freeside? westide? north vegas? what about the fuckin mojave? noone wants them here, everyone starting from goodspring and primm and ending in any non Vegas Strip part of the city has an opinion that NCR is going to push them and tax everything they do like they already do in Freeside
@@demsocialistboiFor purposes of taxation and resources. They care not for the people and if they had it their way, I'd suspect they'd flood the area with more NCR citizens, usurping the people of the Moajve.
@@demsocialistboi Mr house does care though? He had a plan to use the followers of the apocalypse throughout the Mojave and expand into freeside plus use the kings (depending on the ending)
I appreciate the variety from your normal content by creating the first "Analysing Good" episode here.
Real. He's the best choice by far.
@@XtoDoubt25 Yes Man is better, why? Because I'm Him.
@XtoDoubt25 we’re talking about House, not Caesar
@@someshtbaglcpl5455 "femboy Larpers in skirts is the best choice for Vegas"
@@someshtbaglcpl5455 Caesar isn’t the best choice for Vegas, he may be the best hope for order in the Wasteland as a whole but he would ruin what makes the city of New Vegas special. That being the debauchery of course.
The DS9 note made me think immediately of The Founders and Dominion, or even just Dukat on his own. They had such great villains on that show.
House is certainly more on the ruthless side than outright evil. But boy, does he have his moments that make you question just how many graves he will fill.
An analysis of Father Elijah would be absolutely amazing. He has probably one of the most intriguing stories in fallout lore and is such an underrated character in general.
This meeting truly has been a long time coming.
I like how all 3 factions have the element of *Past , Present and Future* and their different leanings on each one are what give them their good and bad sides:
*NCR* is focused on the present while taking inspiration from the past , but not considering the futue. Its the most "good" faction on a base level , but it doesn't remove the fact that many of its officials are corrupt and their lack of forethought could lead them to make the same mistakes the previous government made. No matter how many well-intentioned people there are.
*The Legion* is all about bringing the past into the present. A time whem human life only mattered if you were born into privilege or if you were strong enough to be the last man standing. Its the most prosperous faction for sure, with the most territory, resources and army.
But what does that prosperity really mean when it was built on the backs of slaves who are ready to rebel at any given opportunity or when vast army is mostly made up of just slightly more disciplined and better equipped raiders who are itching at the chance to get more power.
The Legion, like the empire they take so much inspiration from, is a house of cards doomed to fall in on itself because they aren't looking to fix potential future problems, just bury them with more conquests, which is ironically having the opposite effect.
In fact, the conversation with Legate Lanius you can have if your Speech is high enough is essentially just you pointing this out. How the Legion's constant rapid expansion will one day stretch them soo thin that actually *defending* all that territory will be impossible. Be it from attacks from rival factions, from rebellions and/or traitors in their own ranks.
And, to Lanius' credit, he does show himself reasonable enough to hear you out and has a *genuine* "Oh, shit!" moment when he does the math himself and realises that you're right.
He leaves to convince Ceasar to retreat to fix the festering problems with the Legion, which he HAS been warning him about for years, albeit not before giving you a great deal of respect by saying that he's looking forward to the day he meets you and NCR on the field of battle once their hold on the east of the country is stabilised. Basically, acknowledging you as an equal for your cunning alone.
This , to be fair, shows that there *are* people in the Legion who are competent leaders and who can turn into something more than what it is, but its quite unlikely
The titular character of the video House, is focused on the future and learning from the past, but is completely dismissive of the present.
Sure, House has an actual plan to save humanity, with the intelligence, patience, longevity and resources to make it happen.
But the problem is that the guy was completely blind, whether its willfully or not doesn't matter, to the festering problems his style of governing was creating.
He didn't care about the growing inequality between the citizens of New Vegas and he didn't care about the growing anemosity between the factions helping run his city or that they were all basically mobsters.
When your faction is mostly made up of robots who follow your every whim and people who are only following you out of self interest, with growing inequality on top of that, what does that say about the society House would have created? How many problems will his "ideal future" really have when its foundation is this rotted?
Despite his longevity, House can't live forever so, like the Legion, even if he had the time he needed to build his utopia it would eventually crumble in on itself the moment he died.
Also, I don't buy his "vision" for a fucking second. He's a textbook narcissist
@@simoneidson21 He's a cold egoist but not a narcissist. He doesn't require narcissistic supply and seems if anything indifferent to other people's opinion of him. He doesn't even care when they betray him beyond it hurting his plans. Caesar is an actual example of a mood swinging malignant narcissist who requires (literal) worship.
@@simoneidson21 No, a narcissist would try harder to manipulate you. House is nothing but direct and transactional in his conversations with the player.
He's not narcissistic, he's solipsistic. He believes himself to be the *only* person in the world that truly matters, and damns anyone else. The strip is falling apart due to him neglecting to govern it for even a single second, and Freeside is completely chaotic and borderline just as bad as being outside the walls in the mojave. The most damning thing about him is that he calculated when the bombs were going to drop *almost down to the very day it happened* and ONLY made a defense system for Vegas. He kept this a secret from the world. House could have saved the world, but he only chose to save what he saw was his property... and damn everyone else.
You're right for not trusting him, but for the wrong reason
Very well said!
Only natural that Caesar would be next
Ave. TRUE to Caeser !!!!
Vile Eye breaking into Fallout: New Vegas?!
Oh, hellllll yeah. Such a number of legendary characters of fiction that the Fallout franchise can offer up.
now we need an analyzing evil: House M.D.
I've waited so long for Mr.House to get an episode and it did not disappoint
Mr. House will always be my favorite person to affiliate with in New Vegas.
Killing Mr. House and Ryan with a golf club is a yet another reference to Howard Hughes. Who loved Golf, and owned golf clubs.
Mr house " why did you kill Kimball"
Courier " he tried to make me pay my taxes "
Mr house " understandable have a good day "
Analyzing Evil Ideas:
1. Silco(Arcane)
2. Lester Nygaard(Fargo)
3. Napoleon(Animal Farm)
4. Avon Barksdale(The Wire)
5. Tighten(Megamind)
6. Wheatley(Portal 2)
7. Dennis(It’s Always Sunny)
8. Jim Moriarty(Sherlock)
Tenpenny from GTA San Andreas
Mr. House is a very rare human.
Great stuff as always, Vile.
Hope to see these covered some day!
- Joe Cooper (Killer Joe)
- Nino Brown (New Jack City)
- Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors)
- Dr. X (from the Operation: Mindcrime albums by Queensrÿche)
I love Mr House. Such a complicated villain that I choose to side with.
"Evil"
Here are some villains you could analyze in a future video:
-The Major, from Hellsing Ultimate
-Shogo Makishima, from Psycho-pass
-John Dupont, from Foxcatcher
-Vaas Montenegro, from Far Cry 3
He already did Vaas
I think what makes discussion around New Vegas endure is that you could theoretically make one of these videos for every major faction in the game. NCR, Legion, Yes Man/Benny, and House all do heinous things in order to further their own interests and take control of the Mojave.
Analyzing Evil? Now THAT is debatable.
ikr? House wasn't even evil
Whether or not House was evil depends on your view of ethics, if you're an utilitarian then Mr. House is morally good but if you're an apologist of deontology he's evil
Found your channel a couple of months ago, another great video. Such well-structured and concise videos.
The rule of Mr House would be another bloody chapter of human history. In a way another old world blues just in a different shade from the NCR
Now I need Caesar, Ulysses and Joshua Graham.
Yes, Yes, and Yes. 👍
Ulysses and Joshua aren't evil
Nah, Caesar, The Think Tank/Mobius, and Elijah. Ulysses and Joshua aren't villains, antagonists perhaps, but very much not villains.
@@smitefulaxe1344 I sat Ulysses because he was planning to nuke the NCR. NCR may be corrupt, but there's still innocent people in them.
@@smitefulaxe1344 I agree on most of them except for Caesar, I think he’s more of a villain but a complex one for sure.
Robert Edwin House is a chad. Fuck the BoS . Vegas will be reborn amongst the stars , HOUSE ALWAYS WINS.
Surprised that Cesar or Lanius weren't first.
House has always been my personal favorite choice, but I can't deny his shade.
Now with the release of the show, you might want to revisit Mr. House again.
Maybe a Vault tec vid too
That shit is a travesty and will never be canon I don't care what Todd says.
i know our timelines differ, but this man could be watching skibidi toilet videos right now, and thats scary to think
😂 💯
Hellll yeah, I didn’t even think there was gonna be a fallout vid. Loving it
Since you mentioned DS9 I'd like to see Dukat on this channel.
So thats what you look like, cool! Im here after binging Fallout show, real good, Mr. House makes a cameo too.
And the show shits on him completely.
Seeing you cover Fallout is something I'd never expect, but I adore it. New Vegas is my favorite game of all time. I look forward to what's in store!
Always my favourite Ending for NV. He has a vision for the future and the track record to prove that he is actually capable to bring it into fruition. Of course his autocratic leadership style is unsuitable for the long term, but it sill beats NCR, Legion and Yes-Man
Hmm idk yes man ending is guaranteed to work. Anarchy is social bed rock.
@@BOBINDUNthe “Yes man” will just say yes to all your ideas. You didn’t replace house, you just became him.
After all, he can’t complain…
@@LordDaret I just mean an independent vegas is borderline anarchy
@@LordDaret Watch the ending dialogue with yes man again. You don't become the ruler of Vegas.
@@raidenpz the devs confimed fans misunderstood what yes man meant it was to show that yes man can put his foot down when you are not around and not be manipulated like how you used yes mans weakness against benny. you do rule vegas and how good a job you do depends on your courior so for me Yes man ending is the best because my courior is the best pick and will do everything better. Again they added that bit about yes man being more assertive so he can do shit for you while you are out in the wasteland and so no one else can use yes man against you. It would be a bad day for yes man if he fucked with courier 6 he knows better.
yes man only takes orders from you now
Man Elijah is far more evil than House.
House is more interesting though
Elijah is just a plain crazy man that got lucky.
Elijah is a shining example of everything the brotherhood stood against
@@maxgrozema1093Incorrect, he (Elijah) is a representation of just how evil the Brotherhood can be, turns out they are almost if not equally as evil as the Oldclave.
The Brotherhood have caused many an atrocities since there inception including:
Elijah’s very existence
the brainwashing of Christine after destroying her life and sentencing her to a fate worse than death at the Sierra Madre as its Warden preventing less malicious parties from recovering its invaluable technology.
Massacring Followers of the Apocalypse
Destroying the NCR’s Gold Reserves destroying the most stable currency in the Post War.
Genocidal Campaigns against Non-Feral Ghouls, Sapient and Non-Hostile FEV Spawn, and Sapient Synthetic Organisms that are no longer under the Institute’s control.
The biggest crime of all the Brotherhood has committed has been their deliberate stagnation of all Technological and Scientific development unless of course it except the developments that benefits them and solely them.
neither are evil.
Been waiting for a Fallout Analyzing Evil for the LONGEST
I’d love to see a video about Elder Arthur Maxson. I have my own idea but I’d love to see an analysis of him by the Vile Eye.
Im so happy you made this please do more on this fantastic masterpiece of a video game
0:10 hey look, it's you Tomar
He used the power of the Tomar Emeralds to escape punishment for his crimes and now is making Villain deep dive videos, Tomar can only get away with this for so long!
“Hey jaxxy I brought you some FOOD”
I can’t get over that Mr. House is a Gen Alpha
Imagine every time house speaks to the courier he has subway surfers be lower his screen lol. Or has coco melon nostalgia
A good villain to do a video on would be Kane from “Command & Conquer.”
A new analysing Evil video always means a good day.
One of my favourite things about mr house is that one of his arguments for trusting him not to be power hungry and greedy is literally just “Trust me bro”
Fallout NV's baddies are great characters to study. Can't wait to hear him cover Caesar and Ulysses and (debatably evil) Joshua Graham.
It's disturbing how many people see Mr. House as the best option. Yet, his vision easily gets derailed by the machinations of a guy in a checkered suit, and some woman who lives in a tent. What's more, for his plan to come to fruition, he requires the willing complicity of some brain-damaged delivery worker, who may or may not decide to just off House and take the reins for themselves. For all his prose and grandstanding, one really must question whether Mr. House is the all-knowing genius he claims to be.
Say what you want about The Legion and the NCR. But, at least their goals won't go completely sideways if the courier is killed, or just faffs off elsewhere. If either of those scenarios were to happen, House would be just another obstacle for whoever wins Hoover Dam.
I would rather live in the Freeside ghetto than have to worry about raiders in the wastes
You're blinded by the idea that the choices you have are ONLY "live in ghetto" or be "raider food".
@@DreamersOfReality Those aren't the only options, but living in a ghetto is better than being raider food
Mr. Eye, always a pleasure to see another video from you, especially one based on one of my favorite games.
Imo, House has a god complex. He never seems to genuinely want to help mankind as a fellow human, just considers himself above them. He believes he’s entitled to be the ruler of humanity just because he’s really smart. Benny may have shot the Courier at the beginning, but I’ve no doubt House would’ve done exactly the same had it been to his benefit. At least when you talk to Benny in Caesar’s tent, he asks you to continue his work, meaning he was genuinely doing it for someone other than himself. I’d say it’s pretty bad if Benny is more selfless than you.
quick note, RobCo WAS putting prisoners' brains into robot and making a torture bots, so don't think House was just the normal brand of "ruthless businessman".
Honestly the greatest bit of House writing was the "if you want to see the fate of democracy look at the window" line simply because he just blatantly manipulating you. Like he's just assuming you didn't know the resources war was fought because of a overconsumption of resources and one side was a literal dictatorship like he arguing is needed.
like his whole pitch is the demonize his opponent by stating "democracy=war" while just restarting the cycle of consumption that doom the world in the first place, like he's just gambling on being able to get to space. granted the only other people really working on sustainability are the OSI and the Institute.
Were the whole brains of prisoners and torture robots part of 1/2/NV, or something Bethesda added?
@@BaconMinion yeah those are specifically post NV, though NV also used Bethesda's "RobCo helped made a nuke throwing doomsday robot" too so not like they're just dirtying up the company image.
I think that RobCo was making the Robobrains on the orders of the goverment, as House dosen't make any use of them.
@@nonamegiven202 Yeah but Liberty Prime Didn't throw nukes anywhere near the size you could end the world with, and what's better: In a short process where they are incinerated or smashed he turns any commies he finds into Good Commies. With results like that, I can't complain about house making him.
Gambling Humanities future is quite fitting given his empire is built on casino's
I violently crave a Joshua Graham episode.
he's not a villain
@@GG_1318he definitely was, still is unless Courier intervenes to not kill Salt-Upon-Wounds, his only way at redemption/good ending.
@@Gun_Metal_Grey For his personal arc maybe, but I feel there's a lot more room for nuance when it comes to murdering the leader of a band of savage despoilers. Unless you're saying it's morally wrong to kill Caesar as well? At least Caesar has something of an ideological and philosophical motivation, Salt-Upon-Wounds is about as evil and senseless as they come in New Vegas.
@@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089 i wasnt saying Salt Upon Wounds wasnt evil. I implied Joshua's past with the Legion, it doesn't undo his past crimes now that he is trying to help out the Dead Horses.
Graham is anti-villain during most of the DLC. Humiliating Salt Upon Wounds by sparing him in the end makes Joshua not to be so violent "hey lets erase them from existence" anymore, no matter how awful the White Legs are and he achieves peace.
I got a few suggestion for new episodes
Micah Bell - Red Dead Redemption 2
The Greek - The Wire
Phil Leotardo - The Sopranos
Misty Quigley - Yellowjackets
Livia Sopranos - The Sopranos
Bob - Twin Peaks
Ultron - Avengers
Bob is an excellent choice imo. The shots of him lingering around the Palmer house still creep me out to this day.
A subtle theme that Fallout has always had is the idea of building and maintaining civilization, and how different spectrums of humanity go about them.
The BoS, the Enclave, the NCR, the Khans, the Legion, Mr. House, the Followers, the Minutemen, the Institute, even the vaults and the Master's Army. They all under unique categories of morality, politics, government structures, and cultural values, but they each share the same goal: survival and prosperity despite the circumstances. They're all trying to build back some aspect of the Old World way of life in the emptiness of the wasteland. Under the circumstances they found themselves in, they each create their own version of society with their respective upsides and flaws. But it's still rooted in that goal of building back what little remains of the Old World.
People may interpret that as "there's no right or wrong answer", but I want to think of it more like "the right answer will reveal itself eventually." No matter how much the Vault Dweller, Chosen One, Lone Wanderer, Courier, or Sole Survivor do to shape the wasteland, only time will tell who will truly rebuild America, if at all. House is just one interpretation of America's future in Fallout, and there's no telling if a techno-utopia or a callous inhumane monolith will follow. But whatever happens, when all else fails, humanity will always try again. Nations rise and fall, but people will always pick up the pieces in search of a better way of life.
The interesting thing About Mr Houses death is hes the only major character where seemingly no one has anything nice to or sorrow to say about him. Pretty much everyone is happy or at-least doesn’t care. He is in general super disliked despite having good intentions, and being responsible for Vegas having as high of living standards as it has and not being overtly cruel. He may be a visionary but, he is NOT the uniting figure he thinks he is.
Makes me appreciate a great game even more...well done sir
YESSSSS NEW VEGAS CONTENT
Great video as always. Just wanted to suggest Akira Nishikiyama from the Yakuza series as another video game Analyzing Evil.
I think Shang Tsung would be an awesome episode of analyzing evil
this video could not have been better.
as someone whose critical, this is absolutely stellar commentary and narrative.
ANALYSISING EVIL TIGHTEN FROM MEGAMIND
Robert House is the perfect morally gray character for the world of fallout. You're hard pressed to debate his reasoning because a lot of what he believes is logical based on how events played out. But his methods of obtaining his goals puts him at a place between the NCR & the legion on the morality scale.
You can definitely say House is Machiavellian, apathetic, & purely utilitarian, but I wouldn't say evil. Sure those traits definitely make him rub up against the line, but he doesn't truly cross it.
What he did to vault 21 what he continues to do to freeside are proof he is evil. A leader who does not care for all of the people he imposes his rule upon is inherently evil. He forces freeside to follow his rules and continues to not allow them the same benefits as the few wealthy people that live on the strip. Actively making a decision that condemns hundred to thousands of ppl to starving to death and other horrid living conditions is evil. You can't argue that he isn't able to help these people or that it's just a side effect he didn't intend. Keeping freeside in perpetual poverty is a conscious decision he makes to keep them so focused on day to day survival that they don't have any opportunity to push back against his rule. If he at the very least saw to it that the people of Freeside were well fed and had clean water and that it's ppl had their basic needs cared for, you could make the argument he's just utilitarian. But he chooses not to help them just because they want to be independent and his ego cannot handle doing something that doesn't end up with the people he's helping not being kept under his thumb. He very clearly can afford to extend relief to at the very least the people of Freeside and it would benefit them, but because they understandably don't want to give up their freedoms, he forces them into poverty and doesn't even allow those who are okay with being at the mercy of a corporate autocrat the opportunity to enter New Vegas unless they're wealthy enough or know someone who is. Hes just good at pretending like he's just being pragmatic even though his actions are very clearly poisoned by his ego and need to be in control and always profiting. He not only allows the casinos to run, he runs the entire The Strip itself like one big casino. He only allows you to play the game at all if he knows he can have the house edge and that you can make him richer.
I always felt that House did hold some of the best points behind his reasoning for New Vegas to be independent from NCR rule or any other outside party. The NCR themselves have gone downhill considering how much has changed since the time of the first two Fallout games. Kimball's presidency has led to more problems than it should for both the economy and morale of the republic, not to mention the blunders made by Colonel Moore and General Oliver (Moore creating conflict with the Brotherhood of Steel and Oliver creating conflict with Caesar's Legion, not to mention his personal feud against the NCR rangers).
I remember my first playthrough of New Vegas, thanks to the internet, I was able to both kill House and take control of his army of security bots, while also making friends with the Boomers, so come the siege on the dam, I was able to push both invading armies out with a combination of bomber raids and threats to target New California next (and beating up Ceasar's main honcho).
Gotta cover more Fallout characters now!
Hey! You should do these guys from Fargo:
- Lorne Malvo
- The Gerhardts
- V.M. Varga and Narwhal
- Wrench+Numbers
Throw Ole Munch in and do a full Fargo
@@kazumahazeuzumaki Guessing that’s Season 5
@@Synto56 Yep, great character
@@kazumahazeuzumaki I gotta see it!
Plus Lester Nygaard
Still the best choice for the Mojave by far. Not to mention he also saved your life.
That was his mistake.
@@DreamersOfReality Big Hero 6 Reference.
House as a character is such a good example of moral shades of grey that this style of writing makes shine.
Seeing this uploaded within the last 24 hours is so funny because I've been replaying New Vegas again recently
I wonder how Mr. House just isn't bored out of his mind
Ambition is what truly keeps that man alive.
Otherwise what's the point of living in lawless and unforgiving wasteland if nobody except you tries to fix it, even for a lil' bit
He had goon material