to solve the problem with where new heroes come from, just add a fighting pit building to the Ogre bases. During the game it produces wealth (I´m pretty sure Ogres love betting) and every 4 or 5 level of your main character you can activate that building to get a new hero. But you have to sacrifice an Oger unit which is send into the fighting pit. The Oger coming out of the pit alive is the new hero.
What I really like about the Ogre kingdoms is how one can play around with their hunger in game. During battles Ogre units, Gorgers especially, could just start wolfing down smaller enemy units left and right. After battles you can decided to capture the survivors for later uses such as food.
You could have them get tired very quickly but be able to regenerate by eating the dead. Ogers should also have a high upkeep while outside their land to represent the problem feeding them.
+Arch Warhammer Now that we've been shown the Greenskins 'Fightiness' mechanic this seems like an even more feasible and thematically suitable thing if they were ever to add an Ogre faction. They could have a similar gague with various points at which the whole army gets buffs or debuffs depending on wether the gague is more or less full, and it drains over time, but can be filled by simply eating a great number of battle captives or choosing the Raze option when conquering cities.
Like the videos! Remember that Greasus is still very strong. He squeezed all of the fluid out of an black orc warboss, until only a unrecognizable hunk of flesh and metal were left. He is only too lazy to walk, but that does not mean he doesn't still like bashing in heads. The support skills are just an extra. Ogre leadbelchers have the same ballistic skills as humans and dwaves. All three are ballistic skill 3. Ogres ride Mournfangs, which are great clawed bear-like creatures not rhinoxen. Also they have access to sabretusk packs, firebellies and giants.
There's also the fact that Ironguts hit hard enough that even monstrous creatures like Dragons can't afford to ignore them. An Ogre wielding a sledgehammer is strong enough that each blow has about a 50% chance to cause permanent damage even to a full-grown dragon. That puts into perspective just how bloody strong an Ogre is.
Loving these videos, always awesome when each faction feels overpowered in its own right, but maybe that's just your enthusiasm describing each army :)
with WHTW Now out I believe that the ogre kingdoms should be played like the orks they have a "Metter" But it's for what it's called "Hunger" Basicly if you don't feed your ogres they will infighting with each other and basicly take a chunk out-of your army removing a full unit or two, How to feed your ogres are simple, Special buildings in their towns and cities, Units like butchers, and what I call a "Slave Army" I think the Ogres should have a secondary army following a main army with a special lord known as a slave deliver basicly ogres will eat anything and these slave drivers round up slaves in units to basicly feet that army but these slaves can still fight so in a emergency the slave army can be called to help the ogres in battle either in a real battle or a auto resolve
Since the maneaters are mercenaries you could maybe have several versions of them who all come from different Countries and therefore have all different abilities. Like you could have "dwarven maneaters" who carry around dwarven and are heavily armored or a "imperial maneater" who has a slight increase in armor and movement speed because they are used to marching.
To fill in the gaps- Mournfang-while not as deadly as the rhinox riders, they still can reach levels of rhinox’s if you buff them, they can get a 2+ save or a 3+ if you give the riders bloody great weapons making them a beat stick, and given a banner called the dragon hide, can make opponents strike last in combat unless they are elves but even then taking away there rerolls isn’t that bad and in addition of your charged you may reroll all failed to hit rolls. However like rhinox riders they are expensive low leadership and are massive targets but if they can get the charge prepar for D3+1 impact attacks with more if they get off over charge along with stomp and fear.
I really hope that the next Total War game will let you choose which Ogre to be able to put on a mount. Mostly cause I want to put a Firebelly on a Stonehorn purely because I want a model that has two breath attacks, one of fire and one of ice.
I think if the Ogres lack a proper amount of versatility, why not use the Ogre Manhunters as a form of variety? Seems like there are a LOT of different variants of Manhunters just by looking at their many different models. Having there be different Manhunters with different specialized tactics, weapons, equipment, and roles within the Ogres would be good to add variety and fill out different roles.
Looks like a very cool army... I hope they will be fleshed out a bit more as a potential TW:WH DLC, a few more smaller units would put some more meat into the whole army.
EliteRifle999 Yeah, that's because an Ogre Mage is still...well...an Ogre. Ogre Mages can wreck the faces of most factions' dedicated combat characters.
Honestly, using the same engine they have kept using since Empire, I would prefer if they didn't add the oggre kingdoms. Otherwise we will se the "hilarious" effect of the Rhino cavalry ogres charging at full speed towards some tiny human infantry formation, coming to a full stop once they reach base contact and proceeding to fight instead of just trampling everything into red paste.
+t zimm The Ogre Kingdoms are a major faction, although they only very recently became one. Minor factions include such nations as Tilea, Estalia, Araby, Cathay, etc which don't have their own proper army list. And I believe they only said they would LIKE to make all the major factions, but I kind of doubt that they will. Unless the game somehow ends up being a raging success and they get really awesome DLC and expansion sales to boot, to incentivize them to keep the ball rolling as it were.
It would be cool if they did make the Ogres a playable faction or even a auxilary you can hire for alot of money. Thats to bad some of the minor factions wont be playable. They have some cool sounding backgrounds.
Wolf linked to an excellent site with tons of maps and ofc theres always the vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/c/c7/Warhammer_olde_world_map.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130917163104 Excuse the slow reply i occasionally feel the need to pass out for a few hours every other night ;)
I don't think the Ogres will be present in the vanilla game. Probably a DLC expanding the map eastward. Otherwise they're just too far from the Old World to come into play.
I think they will be in the second game, which I think will expand the map to the east and to the south, thus including ogres and tomb kings. I then think they would add skaven here as well.
Personally, I was never a fan of Ogres. It just feels like their only unique twist is having a ridiculous amount of sheer brute force. Their elite infantry is "hits even harder than regular infantry", their monsters are "hits EVEN HARDER than elite infantry". I guess what I don't like is that the entire point of the army, and the magic is to enable an extraordinarily straightforward strategy to go ahead. I mean, that can be fun, (don't get me wrong, I like Orcs, so it's not like straightforward violence is unappealing to me), but they just feel very one-dimensional. Orcs can go Black Orcs, normal Orcs, Savage Orcs, Goblins, Night Goblins, Spiders, Troll-heavy, monster-heavy, magic-heavy, even Artillery-heavy if you like. That's a lot more to my style than Ogres.
What about Bragg the Gutsman, why didn't you mention him and how would he fit in an Ogre Army? Like what are his strengths and weaknesses and is he any good?
think of this: to unite all ogres + chaos dwarfs+ all green skins (goblins,orcs,goblars etc)+ skaven+ vampires+ the chaos forces+dark elves vs empire+bretonia+kislev+tilea+estalia+border of princes+dwarfs+ albion+ wood elves +high elves.. I would call this event: world armageddon! Arch if u know the guys that are working for this game,give them this idea,of a world war,about surviving,about the ballance of good and evil,about forgeting old hatreds,stuff like that,ofc the evil forces (is verry clear who are) will be the one atacking,starting the war,the fight,and lets say as a scope it would be to beat them back:exterminate the skaven,dark eles,pushing the ogres and the green skins far away,exterminating the vamps and chaos dwarfs,and beating the chaos forces untill the eye of terror and closing those portals.Happy end!
STEFAN9484 And if the forces of evil win,they would masacre all humans,dwarfs,elves,and after wining the war,either end of story or a civil war between the evil forces on who to get and how much land.
STEFAN9484 forgot to put the beast man so: green skins + ogres+beast man+ chaos dwarfs+skaven+vampires+dark elves+ chaos forces vs empire+bretonia+kislev+tilea+estalia+border of princes+dwarfs+albion+wood elves+high elves
ogres are evil,lizardmen are on the other continent,and the tomb kings,didn't watch their lore&army,so dont know if they are evil or not,but they seem to me to minor
STEFAN9484 Ogres are not evil. You will find them on both sides in any war in basically even numbers. Ogres do not care for who they fight as long as they get paid with food and gold. Their biggest battles were against orcs and warriors of chaos.
If its the table top - not really. Ogres can pretty much take on anything WoC have. All Elf factions are solid counter to Ogres shooting them down before they can get even into the charge range.
Myrdin not really. Ogres are initiative 2 while woc are initiative 5. Also warriors of chaos troops (who the fuck uses maurauders) have a 4+ armor save 3 with a shield and 2 with either a bullshit banner and/or mark of chaos. On top of that they have the same strength as ogres and outnumber them 2-1. The warriors of chaos cannot be hurt by handguns, cannons, giant monsters, and magic. I know because I have tried all of that with Empire on a single unit of 20 and only killed at the MOST 5. And on top of that ogres will lose 2-3 of them in combat due to this. Especially if they have Halberds. WOC would then wound them on a 3.
+Gunmasterx7 Nippon isnt really existent in the lore. Its mostly mentioned in context with Skaven and Ogres. The same counts for Cathay. Maybe with a bit luck we will see them in the TW Games. Well besides the problem that they have no army list and never really had any units.
to solve the problem with where new heroes come from, just add a fighting pit building to the Ogre bases. During the game it produces wealth (I´m pretty sure Ogres love betting) and every 4 or 5 level of your main character you can activate that building to get a new hero. But you have to sacrifice an Oger unit which is send into the fighting pit. The Oger coming out of the pit alive is the new hero.
What I really like about the Ogre kingdoms is how one can play around with their hunger in game. During battles Ogre units, Gorgers especially, could just start wolfing down smaller enemy units left and right. After battles you can decided to capture the survivors for later uses such as food.
Tyler Stalvey Could be a cool if somewhat grisly mechanic to let you chose to simply eat the post-battle captives for a morale boost!
Ransom or Feast!
Arch Warhammer they could have it as a morale boost to a unit that is nearby during the battle or instead of morale have a melee buff
You could have them get tired very quickly but be able to regenerate by eating the dead. Ogers should also have a high upkeep while outside their land to represent the problem feeding them.
+Arch Warhammer Now that we've been shown the Greenskins 'Fightiness' mechanic this seems like an even more feasible and thematically suitable thing if they were ever to add an Ogre faction. They could have a similar gague with various points at which the whole army gets buffs or debuffs depending on wether the gague is more or less full, and it drains over time, but can be filled by simply eating a great number of battle captives or choosing the Raze option when conquering cities.
"Bring me gold, or bring me seasoning!"
Like the videos!
Remember that Greasus is still very strong. He squeezed all of the fluid out of an black orc warboss, until only a unrecognizable hunk of flesh and metal were left. He is only too lazy to walk, but that does not mean he doesn't still like bashing in heads.
The support skills are just an extra.
Ogre leadbelchers have the same ballistic skills as humans and dwaves. All three are ballistic skill 3. Ogres ride Mournfangs, which are great clawed bear-like creatures not rhinoxen. Also they have access to sabretusk packs, firebellies and giants.
There's also the fact that Ironguts hit hard enough that even monstrous creatures like Dragons can't afford to ignore them. An Ogre wielding a sledgehammer is strong enough that each blow has about a 50% chance to cause permanent damage even to a full-grown dragon. That puts into perspective just how bloody strong an Ogre is.
"there are no brakes on this paticular rape train". this statement reprsents your channel as a whole.
Ogre mercenaries just came out. Anyone else think it's time for @arch to release a new ogre Kingdoms vid?
SomeBODY once told me the world is gonna roll me...
If I was alive back in the day, this would probably be the army I started out in playing before moving on to tomb kings
Another funfact it was the Ogres that destroyed the Giants Mountain/sky Kingdom, causing the giants to inbreed into what they are today in the lore.
Loving these videos, always awesome when each faction feels overpowered in its own right, but maybe that's just your enthusiasm describing each army :)
with WHTW Now out I believe that the ogre kingdoms should be played like the orks they have a "Metter" But it's for what it's called "Hunger" Basicly if you don't feed your ogres they will infighting with each other and basicly take a chunk out-of your army removing a full unit or two, How to feed your ogres are simple, Special buildings in their towns and cities, Units like butchers, and what I call a "Slave Army" I think the Ogres should have a secondary army following a main army with a special lord known as a slave deliver basicly ogres will eat anything and these slave drivers round up slaves in units to basicly feet that army but these slaves can still fight so in a emergency the slave army can be called to help the ogres in battle either in a real battle or a auto resolve
John Sheffar No more waaaghs in disguise, thanks
Since the maneaters are mercenaries you could maybe have several versions of them who all come from different Countries and therefore have all different abilities. Like you could have "dwarven maneaters" who carry around dwarven and are heavily armored or a "imperial maneater" who has a slight increase in armor and movement speed because they are used to marching.
To fill in the gaps-
Mournfang-while not as deadly as the rhinox riders, they still can reach levels of rhinox’s if you buff them, they can get a 2+ save or a 3+ if you give the riders bloody great weapons making them a beat stick, and given a banner called the dragon hide, can make opponents strike last in combat unless they are elves but even then taking away there rerolls isn’t that bad and in addition of your charged you may reroll all failed to hit rolls. However like rhinox riders they are expensive low leadership and are massive targets but if they can get the charge prepar for D3+1 impact attacks with more if they get off over charge along with stomp and fear.
I really hope that the next Total War game will let you choose which Ogre to be able to put on a mount. Mostly cause I want to put a Firebelly on a Stonehorn purely because I want a model that has two breath attacks, one of fire and one of ice.
I was wondering what beasts could scare an ogre, now I know.
Slowing skills will make charging devastating coz you know you gonna die when ogres charge you.
I think if the Ogres lack a proper amount of versatility, why not use the Ogre Manhunters as a form of variety? Seems like there are a LOT of different variants of Manhunters just by looking at their many different models. Having there be different Manhunters with different specialized tactics, weapons, equipment, and roles within the Ogres would be good to add variety and fill out different roles.
I legit probably have Arch two dollars on just watching these videos alone. And I'll keep doing it.
Looks like a very cool army... I hope they will be fleshed out a bit more as a potential TW:WH DLC, a few more smaller units would put some more meat into the whole army.
me want an ogre army too
@@orkhepaj and now we have them
its ogre now everybody...
ogre: SKAVEN
skaven: what what
ogre: IT'S ALL OGRE NOW
there no skaven that were left un-nawed on
seth rice they call skavenblight the worlds best buffet
It would be prudent to give high tier Ogre melee units an initial missile attack on charge, huge stones or just their giant javelins.
Few but strong units,
If they are exhausted they go rampage and eats everything
I’m actually only playing the Ogre Mawtribes/Kingdoms because the Gnoblar horde *doesn’t exist anymore*
Ah the Proper owners of the warhammer world
where's the mournfang cavalry?
Its a shame Rhinox aren't really a thing anymore.
Da fuq giant cleavers for hands, ferocious, strong, big as fuck guy that would be badass and awesome. But no, he's a wizard....
EliteRifle999
Their Wizards are essentially a Tyrant able to make other ogres immortal for a bit.
making other ogres immortal for a bit sounds gay, a giant ogre with hand cleavers wrekting shit sounds way more awesome
EliteRifle999
Thing is he does that and he makes the other guys around him unkillable.
Ok now that sounds better :D
EliteRifle999 Yeah, that's because an Ogre Mage is still...well...an Ogre. Ogre Mages can wreck the faces of most factions' dedicated combat characters.
Uh oh, Total war warhammer 2 has a mysterious faction coming
Honestly, using the same engine they have kept using since Empire, I would prefer if they didn't add the oggre kingdoms. Otherwise we will se the "hilarious" effect of the Rhino cavalry ogres charging at full speed towards some tiny human infantry formation, coming to a full stop once they reach base contact and proceeding to fight instead of just trampling everything into red paste.
They have massive impact cavalry charges In this one.
Might I make a request for orcs next?
as it so happens i was planning on makin the Orcs nexst so yes, you may make such a request :D
Are ogres a minor faction or major faction in Warhammer(Ca said they would do the 17 major factions? or something)
+t zimm The Ogre Kingdoms are a major faction, although they only very recently became one. Minor factions include such nations as Tilea, Estalia, Araby, Cathay, etc which don't have their own proper army list. And I believe they only said they would LIKE to make all the major factions, but I kind of doubt that they will. Unless the game somehow ends up being a raging success and they get really awesome DLC and expansion sales to boot, to incentivize them to keep the ball rolling as it were.
It would be cool if they did make the Ogres a playable faction or even a auxilary you can hire for alot of money. Thats to bad some of the minor factions wont be playable. They have some cool sounding backgrounds.
+Jørgen A no a minor faction
Like woodelves
kevin Geurts All the factions that have official army books are 'major', we're not talking about political significance. :p
Meatbus Is Comming^^
This would be a terrifying army to fight please add to TW Warhammer
Do you have a video where i could see the full map of the warhammer world if there is any? And which faction owns what parts of the map?
Ando M www.gitzmansgallery.com/warhammer-maps.html this should be good.
Wolf linked to an excellent site with tons of maps and ofc theres always
the vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/c/c7/Warhammer_olde_world_map.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130917163104
Excuse the slow reply i occasionally feel the need to pass out for a few hours every other night ;)
Arch Warhammer hahah thanks guys
I hope we get the ogres and halflings in Warhammer 3 Total War
I don't think the Ogres will be present in the vanilla game. Probably a DLC expanding the map eastward. Otherwise they're just too far from the Old World to come into play.
+Jeremias Astorga Unless we get some Man-eaters.
Those would make fantastic shock troop mercenaries.
I think they will be in the second game, which I think will expand the map to the east and to the south, thus including ogres and tomb kings. I then think they would add skaven here as well.
@@richardround2071 damn prophetic.
This seems like a good bit of world building indeed it seems like it could be added easly
Where’s the music???
I prefer your lore and speculation videos. Have you ever considered making your own faction?
Personally, I was never a fan of Ogres. It just feels like their only unique twist is having a ridiculous amount of sheer brute force. Their elite infantry is "hits even harder than regular infantry", their monsters are "hits EVEN HARDER than elite infantry". I guess what I don't like is that the entire point of the army, and the magic is to enable an extraordinarily straightforward strategy to go ahead. I mean, that can be fun, (don't get me wrong, I like Orcs, so it's not like straightforward violence is unappealing to me), but they just feel very one-dimensional. Orcs can go Black Orcs, normal Orcs, Savage Orcs, Goblins, Night Goblins, Spiders, Troll-heavy, monster-heavy, magic-heavy, even Artillery-heavy if you like. That's a lot more to my style than Ogres.
Love the videos man, great detail, great ideas. Keep em up
How do you think the game will turn out in all honesty?
Le Danny i can onely hope, with no gameplay or anything i couldent possibly guess
It has the potential to be a masterpiece its done correctly. I really, really hope it ends up so.
hey arch with the game actually out would it be possible to make update videos of the army list now that we have game play are structure to work with
What about Nippon?
i just want a lore video
It will never happen. Too little lore for it to be implemented in the game.
Why did you miss out the mourn fang cavalry?
It's Friday, where's my video Arch?
This video is 8 years old but yea. Arch does not upload schedule correctly lol.
Just BINGE re playing, commenting and liking (after the hack)...
What about Bragg the Gutsman, why didn't you mention him and how would he fit in an Ogre Army? Like what are his strengths and weaknesses and is he any good?
Statline for Shrek?
1D6, 2s or better summons "Donkey" and instantly kills every unit in your opponent's army.
What about ogre vs giants?
that has happened and the giant's lost
that has happened and the giant's lost
don't the ogre's have giants?
How so?
All faction's giants have same baseline stats and attacks.
so if all giants are the same base wise how are ogre giants worse?
I was trying to say that they are not worse. All giants are the same.
oh then why did the other dude say their worse?
how many points is the army shown in the first minute or so? Does anyone know?
You didn't mention Bragg the Gutsman? Wtf man...
think of this: to unite all ogres + chaos dwarfs+ all green skins (goblins,orcs,goblars etc)+ skaven+ vampires+ the chaos forces+dark elves vs empire+bretonia+kislev+tilea+estalia+border of princes+dwarfs+ albion+ wood elves +high elves.. I would call this event: world armageddon! Arch if u know the guys that are working for this game,give them this idea,of a world war,about surviving,about the ballance of good and evil,about forgeting old hatreds,stuff like that,ofc the evil forces (is verry clear who are) will be the one atacking,starting the war,the fight,and lets say as a scope it would be to beat them back:exterminate the skaven,dark eles,pushing the ogres and the green skins far away,exterminating the vamps and chaos dwarfs,and beating the chaos forces untill the eye of terror and closing those portals.Happy end!
STEFAN9484 And if the forces of evil win,they would masacre all humans,dwarfs,elves,and after wining the war,either end of story or a civil war between the evil forces on who to get and how much land.
STEFAN9484 forgot to put the beast man so: green skins + ogres+beast man+ chaos dwarfs+skaven+vampires+dark elves+ chaos forces vs empire+bretonia+kislev+tilea+estalia+border of princes+dwarfs+albion+wood elves+high elves
STEFAN9484 You forgot Lizardmen on the good side. Also the tomb kings and the ogres are unaligned meaning they can join either side.
ogres are evil,lizardmen are on the other continent,and the tomb kings,didn't watch their lore&army,so dont know if they are evil or not,but they seem to me to minor
STEFAN9484 Ogres are not evil. You will find them on both sides in any war in basically even numbers. Ogres do not care for who they fight as long as they get paid with food and gold. Their biggest battles were against orcs and warriors of chaos.
You should different! Neat!
And of course you have Giants
How to counter them. Warriors of Chaos.
If its the table top - not really. Ogres can pretty much take on anything WoC have.
All Elf factions are solid counter to Ogres shooting them down before they can get even into the charge range.
Sean Conley well dwarves are not initiative 5
Myrdin not really. Ogres are initiative 2 while woc are initiative 5. Also warriors of chaos troops (who the fuck uses maurauders) have a 4+ armor save 3 with a shield and 2 with either a bullshit banner and/or mark of chaos. On top of that they have the same strength as ogres and outnumber them 2-1. The warriors of chaos cannot be hurt by handguns, cannons, giant monsters, and magic. I know because I have tried all of that with Empire on a single unit of 20 and only killed at the MOST 5. And on top of that ogres will lose 2-3 of them in combat due to this. Especially if they have Halberds. WOC would then wound them on a 3.
watching in 2021
Ogres are overpowered as fuck, also ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING
Alphabetical Disorder really then why were they ranked 10 on the best army in the table top?
Sean Conley not enough people play them
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!!!
I helped create the assembly could fix the ogres units LOL we get Warhammer 3 already
damn son take a no doze
there are no brakes on this rape train!!!! hilarious
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25:56 ohgod MY EYEES
Where's the bleach?
What about Nippon?
+Gunmasterx7 Nippon isnt really existent in the lore. Its mostly mentioned in context with Skaven and Ogres. The same counts for Cathay. Maybe with a bit luck we will see them in the TW Games. Well besides the problem that they have no army list and never really had any units.