+Rudevald serious douth and blacksmith are filthy rich for the first to make and amour off any kinde take lot of time, if you make 5 amour a year your if you are goode. seconde if and faction are amoring and lot of soldier will not use singel blacksmith but will use armor factory vare and hundred if not tusen of blacksmith are working two way for and blacksmith to be rich are be corupt or to have lot of skill and more reputation
+Connor Turton I think he was supposing the idea that armour takes months to make. Clearly he's never actually seen how much most armour is just flat surfaces bolted together and occasionally beaten into a curve. Arming hundreds of men takes months yes, but a half dozen will only take a couple weeks.
+Laurence Martin Well it depends on what kind of armour we're talking about. An ordinary soldier in the later part of the history of metal armour would be wearing munition armour: Mass-produced and of reasonable quality. Making a full, custom plate harness for a knight is something else entirely, and could take a good smith quite a while, but with marked improvements in comfort and mobility, if not necessarily in protection (it'll probably all be made from similar steel). I can imagine a master smith being paid well to make custom harnesses for wealthy customers, with a large group of apprentices under him making munition armour for the common soldier.
The empire and high elves have good heavy calvary, the wood and dark elves have good light cavalry, but the Bretonnians have good SHOCK cavalry. Their job is to melt enemy morale in one or two hits, not grind them out, so against things like beastman and skaven, bretonnia just annihilates armies.
leiah2 they definitely feel like the current updates have tweeked them a bit to make them more effective....though pegisus knights are still underpowered.
amusing... i've read on the Forums that the Bretonian air force is absolutely disgusting... personaly i wouldnt take htei rcurrent stats as granted until after they become a full fledged faction in february
There has been a few balance changes. And I think the pegasus knights are really strong if you use them correctly, but if you can't spend a lot of micro on them, they often get swamped behind enemy lines without support.
I feel like Bretonnia's peasant bowmen should be the only faction with skirmishers who should be able to utilizes stakes because of their weak infantry. The empire's infantry is more than capable of handling themselves, holding a line, and protecting their skirmishers. A Bretonnian player on the other hand, is going to be more heavily occupied with the micro of all of their cavalry units running everywhere at once. The stakes would at least give the Bretonnian player a little peace-of-mind over the security of their bowmen from frontal assaults of enemies cavalry charges, while still having to worry about how long their men-at-arms will hold off superior infantry. Since the peasant bowmen are "fair/capable" skirmishers and nothing extraordinary; I feel that the stakes will grant the little edge that the peasant bowmen need that is both fair and balanced.
So Arch, do you know about how Bretonnia 1st edition was more like Ancien Regime France than medieval version. - Bretonnia had pistols and urbanized - overtaxed peasants along with filthy urban areas. - duel-obsessed nobility.
I am not sure that the Total War guys will focus too much on keeping races balanced. Not beyond the tabletop system at least. They focused more on how powerful units were realistically in Rome Total War rather than obsessing overly on keeping it balanced. I mean, a Gaul army would always be at an disadvantage against the roman army. Requiring players to think steps ahead. That was the great thing about that game. It wasn't fair. Meaning that you had to be smart to win with the less developed factions.
Kaiser Louis-Philip V I'm bloody willing to pay their chopped up content, as long as they actually make the game good. And I'd pay 20 for bretonnia :P I wouldn't pay a single $ for orcs or skaven though :P
Kaiser Louis-Philip V Hey if its a concentrated faction exclusive campaign with the faction with some good content shubed in their id pay happily......a fuck their the grail knights id pay if it was a unit pack
The way that Bretonnian armies work has already been implemented in Medieval II, well to some extent so CA could just look at that game for Bretonnian and to some extent the Empire, as the Knightly orders in that game are The Knights Templar and The Hospitallers the Spanish also get a unique one but I can't remember what they were
math2222322 purty much, but the bretonnian knights are core choices so you can have as many of them as you want while the empire knights are limited. Weather or not that is going to be implemented in any way in TWW is anybody's guess thou.
Arch Warhammer Yeah, but Bretonnia hasn't been updated in forever. They're only crap because of the codex creep. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to update it, that they'd make life a little less bleak for the peasants too. Being cavalry centric, the big thing the Brettonians would have is a cavalry unit for every situation. Knight's Errant and Knights of the Realm for the numbers game, Questing Knights for... I guess Questing... maybe a unit that tires slowly and being good at running down and chasing enemy units about, and/or perhaps some sort of zone capturing bonus. Grail Knights for anti-elite and punching holes. Mounted Yeomen for scouting, quick strikes, anti-skirmisher, and lighting fast cycle attacks. The Bretonnians want to gain cavalry superiority by quickly slaughtering /all/ the enemy cav /away/ from the enemy infantry support and then launching concentrated attacks on vulnerable enemy units. They'd also have prefer the Alexandrian school of strategy, where the infantry merely holds off the bulk of the enemy forces while their general runs straight for the enemy commander. Most horde style armies get pretty panicky when their big boss dies.
DracoAvian Sadly the bro-tonnians aren't getting an update and will most likely be merged with empire and dwarves in 9th edition. The entire world was destroyed in the end times so who the frogglers knows what will happen next :/
I have no idea what's going on in Warhammer anymore... I kinda stopped after Storm of Magic ruined tabletop for me. Something about my style of play being ridiculously bad in a storm of magic fight.
DracoAvian I think they retconned storm of magic. Tho if you don't like giant magic balls of death that end the game in a single turn you won't like end times. I feel like they're murdering my childhood. Goodbye Bretonnia, tomb kings, and beastmen. I hope that if they do get merged there's options to continue using them as separate entities.
Instead of an upgrade to Men at Arms, couldn't the Grail* Reliquary work similarly to the Great Cross in Medieval 2? Basically it becomes a single, comparatively vulnerable unit that offers big morale buffs around allied units and can, if necessary, drop its item to defend it, albeit not particularly well.
I have a question not related to the video. Are you ever going to make a video about famous people from lore? Like Nagash,Gotrek and Felix, Malus Darkblade, Teclus, and possibly Brunner a personal favorite of mine. I personally like fantasy better than 40k and own a lot of the novels.
Hey are a few suggestions of fantasy books, should you want any more. There are good 40K novels but you prefer fantasy. Omnibuses The Brunner omnibus (although you'll probably read it) (All around the world) The Witch Hunter omnibus, (Empire) The Sundering Omnibus (Elves), The Calard the Knight (of Knight Errant, Knight of the Realm, Questing Knight and Grail Knight) they are also combined in a single book (Bretonnia), The Tyrion & Teclis omnibus (Elves). The Ambassador Chronicles (Kislev/Empire) Novels Iron Company (The Empire), The Enemy Within (Empire/Chaos) Necromancer (Empire/Undead) The Red Duke (Bretonnia/Undead) There are other good fantasy books but I haven't finished reading them (like all the chronicles) However if you are watching the Slayer series (Gotrek and Felix), I would suggest stop reading the series after Vampire Slayer I hope that helps
TerranGaming and it seems that flying units are in, along with magic and the current nations are empire chaos orcs vampires and also heroes are a thing
@Pyrrus of Macedonia I think they were the Santiago knight. The HRE had also the Teutonic knights. I personal would hope for a more complex system for getting the knightly orders of your side (earn glory in battle with them, do quest, fight certain enemy's, build certain temples and all that fun stuff). PS. couldn't answer directly.
french did not loose to english because of the english long bow but because of the tons of mud knights stuck within mud so they got murdered by the bowmen's secondary weapons :-)
Your right but the bow helped a lot due to the fear it instilled because of other battles Poitiers for example. In agincourt the French had maybe 8000 men at arms and lost to an army of just about 1000 English men at arms with 5000 archers most untrained and ill equipped with melee weapons and armour
What I don't understand: How are the bretonians able to use hit and run: as you mentioned in the beginning The blessing takes of if the unit flees. So the unit would fluffwise avoid to flee or even disengage ( cause this can be seen as a form of fleeing).
Ideally in the fluff, what would happen in a Bretonnian Army Skirmish/Battle: The enemy would mass up as they do. Consider Bretonnia's major enemies are Orcs, Vampires, Beastmen, and Skavens, all "Big Blobby" armies. They don't really fight the Empire all that often to deal with formal ranked formations. Nor do they fight Kislev's hit and run horseback skirmishers, or all that often fight Chaos and Lizardmen and it's heavy Grindfest and attrition. When considering Fluff Tactics and how an army is "Supposed" to fight, you always have to consider who their real enemies are. In the case of Orcs, Beastmen, and Skavens you typically have very low Leadership enemies for the most part. Orc Boyz/Goblins are terrible at Combat Resolution, meaning once they take a charge, it's very likely that Orcs will break and flee, leaving the bretonnians in the area to consolidate again. Granted in tabletop this tends not to happen due to clunk with the Rules, and you just charge again, picking your mark. But in Fluff they'd wheel about to consolidate with the Men at Arms and Longbowmen, to set up another crushing charge... unless they were like Knights Errant and thus so full of Glory Seeking that they'd just charge the fleeing orcs can run them down. The same applies for Skaven, the danger with Skaven is that they WANT you to bog down on their rank and file slaves and such. But as long as you can inflict terrible enough casualties the enemy breaks, then you won't get bogged down, swarmed, and taken down. In the case of Undead this usually means the knights will be picking off the more mobile units on their list. The various beasties that can run around. The rank and file Zombie and Skeleton blocks are just going to get hammered with a ton of arrows from the Peasants. Since the Knights are more likely to be engaging mobile elements they are similarly unlikely to get bogged down in a protracted combat, giving them the ability to punch, scatter/slay an enemy, and regroup again. You wouldn't be going after the undead as the undead are immune to psychology, and thus won't break. Well, unless the undead unit is weak enough that you feel confident in sweeping them completely with that initial charge and maybe a short clash afterwards. Now the enemies that they don't normally face... that's where Lore wise the Bretonnian tactics tend to fail. Then again... it's enemies they don't normally face. Chaos Warriors are unlikely to break, and able to take the charge unless weakened significantly at first they'll grind it out, because that's what they do. And Bretonnians aren't exactly the best at grinding it out. Not against super heavy elite infantry blocks like Chaos Warriors, or Saurus, etc. But against the enemies that they do face normally? They can hit and run quite well. Just keep in mind lore wise they're not running themselves. What they are doing is the Fantasy equivalent of "Tank Shock", hitting something so hard, so fast, that it scatters. And that scattering gives them time to regroup after the initial clash, pick their target, and do it again. Considering the enemies that they normally fight (Orks, Beastmen, Undead, Skaven), they can't "Grind it out" like Chaos, Lizardmen, The Empire, etc. It's feeding into the sort of fighting that those forces want and excel at, pinning you down to where the raw numbers game matters, either in terms of fighting against things like genetically bred super soldier Incan Dinosaurs with more years of military service than your Kingdom has even existed and hides so tough that they can turn aside sword strikes, or just facing the Skaven nightmare of "For every 1 I kill, 3 more take its place!", or Undead Hordes that are just replenishing bodies faster than you can grind through... or heck just the simple fact that Orc Boyz (Feral and Not), are just really, really good at Melee and that's where they want to keep you so they can crump you. The Empire doesn't hit and run with its forces because while yes, they do face some of the same enemies (Orcs and Vampires), they also don't face others (Skaven) and some are more of a "nuisance" than a proper army they face regularly (Beastmen). But more inparticular it's Norscan Raiders and Chaos Warriors that define their tactics. Enemies that don't break right away, and you do have to grind it out against them. Thus why they have a far more static army, with knights trained less to be Linebreakers as it were, and more to be meat grinders. Carroburg Greatswords that never turn their back to the enemy, under any circumstance, and of course the massive gunlines and Halbred/Spear formations. It's just interesting to think about. The Empire is defensive, no question about it. Their entire army and tactica is based on being under siege effectively. That's just how they roll, and they gear their units accordingly and drill them as such. Bretonnia however is not a defensive army. When they fight wars they don't fight from Walls and Towers, fortified positions and wooden palisades and earthworks. They fight crusades and errantry wars. Their culture and faith gives them a sense of superiority (Then again if I can bounce cannonballs off my chest because I pray to a Lady who gives out magic kool-aid to the worthy... I might feel a bit smug too, particularly over those lesser Knights to the Northeast who CAN'T bounce cannonballs when they pray to a Guy with a Hammer...), and they subscribe to that adage "The best defense is a good offense", always keeping enemies off kilter and trying to respond to them.
How whould Bretonnia handle siege battles, seeing that peasants wont be able to hold or take walls? Is there any fluff on dismounted knights since that would be awesome on walls?
It remember me than i kill "definetly" a Sinople knight with a simple Saurus champion in WHFB. my openent was totaly upset. The luck of dice and maybe....karma also. ^^
Knights as the core of the army could work. It's somewhat comparable to how Parthia and the Massagetae worked in Rome II. The Massagetae with their single infantry unit and their highly-developed lancers being the better example, perhaps?
+TemplarX2 In the snuff yes, in the table top no - Bretonnia are underpowered in Warhammer itself. If we based it on lore, Bretonnian knights would most certainly hold their own against Imperial knights and even defeat them, but in a straight up fight with the Empire (who would be using all their advanced weaponry and artillery) the Bretonnians would get completely fucking decimated. I say this with a heavy heart as the Bretonnians are my favourite race in the Warhammer universe.
+SteveTheDruid you're right! From the campaign video they released, Brettonia is a fully realized faction that even has at least one legendary lord, so it's most likely that they will give us this one for free as they're already so much done.
I think what you proposed about how the Damsel works is the likely possibility now that we know that heroes are agents that can merge with armies and be used in battles.
Bretonnia and the High Elves are the two armies I can't wait to see in Total War: Warhammer. Just colossal knight charges, and super elite cavalry. Grail Knights and Dragon Knights of Caledor FTW.
The knights can go on foot but most prefer to go mount because of chivarly and that. Their most likely going to make knight foot unit or make the yeoman dirth cheap and cost effective.
maybe there should be a thing where men at arms with a lot of experience become veteran men at arms with better morale and stat-wise they are not terrible, maybe even decent spear units. still negliglable armor but better spears picked form the field of battle during their war careers. is this a good idea or does it go against any brettonian law that too experienced men at arms are killed or something?
At least in Shogun 2 there is. I suppose there must be in other TW games. But cavalry units are pretty crappy on foot. But bretonnian knights could act as powerful foot soldiers when dismounted.
It always annoyed me that the Bretonians never had a unit of like, dismounted knights. Heavy infantry with maybe 2 handed weapons or s sword and shield that would really help balance and round out the Bretonian list. Hell maybe even just something like sergeant spearmen just so they had at least a mid tier infantry unit
+Timothy Easton Well in the Total War franchise you are able to dismount mounted units at the start of combat (or at least you could in some games), so maybe in the game you'll have Grail Knights on foot.
+rhemorigher that's actually a decent idea, only problem is that cavalry units are half the standard infantry size, but then again they are elites so should be able to hold their own against most tier 1 and 2 inf
Especially considering how expensive it was for a knight to be fully equipped for war. The Destrier which most think of the warhorse of the knight were too expensive to for the average knight who would had to settle for lesser horses such as a Courser or Rouncey. If the Knight was particularly poor he would of had to go on foot
Just started playing Warhammer 2. Im playing Brretonnia...... The knights are ridiculously expensive. Right now the cheapest knight is 508 gold. The most expensive is 1400 gold. And that's maintenance fees!
idea : well total war games had quests ... and bretonia uphold honor and well...they do theyr quests...sooo maybe after x amount of quest you get some grayl knights
I think all your knights (until you build upgrade buildings) should start as knights errant and as they get more experience become knights of the realm etc ?
I never understood fuedal warfare, They completly scrapped everything of the roman legions, "Huh Rome fell. Now what do we do with armies?" "I KNOW LETS DO THE OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING ONE OF THE BEST ARMIES IN HISTORY DID!" "Lets use shit spearmen and expensive heavy cavalry!" "What was that alexios about turks at the gates?"
They couldn't utilise the same type of warfare as the Romans as they did not have the industry or the population to make all the stuff or supply the troops. Also medieval armies were not professional. The peasantry were mostly levied militia men and the only real profesional soldiers were of a born caste (knights). The medieval society was entirely different to the Romans and so their armies could not be the same.
ThreeDog You do realize that pike and shots became a thing because of medieval warfare yes And secondarily I’m gonna go ahead and state that a fully armored war horse and they are knight would generally be enough to break the Roman army it’s only for the fact that they would have Sapir your armor weapons in training combined this of course with the fact that they have anti-armor weapons such as the poleax
+Arch Warhammer @ 8:51 onward - The Brettonians are nothing like the Byzantines aka The Eastern Roman Empire.. in Warhammer The Empire IS literally the Holy Roman Empire in look and architecture especially and the very religious sects. Byzantines were very very similar in troop composition as well to The Empire.. The backbone of the east romans armies was a Heavy Cavalry utilized by the byzantine army... The Cataphracts (a heavily armored soldier with an armored warhorse) which essentially is the knights of the reiksguard or just an Empire Knight even can pass as a Cataphract but none of the bretts.... , the Knights of The Realm in bretts are more like your typical French cavalier and the knights of british and French origin.. working for lords for housing food and to have a position in society, enforce their own military.. its totally british/frenc inspied and they have the same kind of system of land ownership and tax the shit out their peasants like the Brits and the French., also the Byzantines had access to gunpowder, which the Bretts have no use of. Sorry I had to correct you :( I still love your vids of course :D :D :D :D
Okay that was a typo I didn't mean holy romans ill edit that "holy" part out. Thanks for clearing that up I didn't even notice there was a typo there or I woulda fixed it by now. Thanks.!
Damn it, my ghosts can't really affect those damned knights... gonna need to slow them down with some zombies... no, they wouldn't catch up, perhaps some Blood Dragons or something just to bog them down long enough for the zombies and necromancers to catch up.
sounds like the Bretonnians might have a bit of trouble unless they do something with the cavalry because in attila disengaging your cavs pretty much a death sentence
+Jacob Dischert They were movement 8 as usual but they had a special rule that allowed them to ignore the movement penalty for barding, so they were faster than most other heavy cavalry.
Jakob Schöning It’s basically a long intricate rifle they were originally made by the Arabs and the main purpose of them was just to show off how much money you had similarly to the five fingers brought dagger that the Italians made its purpose is to show off your bling while also being useful as a murder implement or hunting
The # of knights in bretonia is closer to what the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth looked like where 10% of society were nobles, true they were poorer and held less land but there was alot of them. In France nobility was closer to 2% of society.
The way knight ranks are is as follows: Knights Errant -> Knight of the Realm -> Questing Knight -> Grail Knight. Also of interest may be that in the old army book there were a ton of special characters (almost all knights, of course). They could have up to 75% of their army worth of points of those, even. Knights also had special magic items and a type of benefit called knightly virtues (the Questing knights' and Grail knights' specific benefits being two of those). Also of note is that commoners couldn't be more than 50% of the army whereas knights had to be at least 25% (up to 100%) of the army. That, and they had the most awesome warhorses, reputed to be of sturdy human breed bred with speedy elven steeds. Of course knights being knights there were rules to allow certain high-ranked knights to ride various beasties, from Wyverns to Dragons. Anyway, Bretonnia should have the most knights in an army (potentially), the best knights (their whole culture is based around 'em), and a lot of heroes.
I have some suspect, that the Bretonnian Army will be strong in filed battles, but will lacking in siege, both defence and attack. That could be soften, if they add a foot knight units like in Medieval 2. But still I see Bretonnian at a disadvantages in sieges, compared to the Empire or Dwarves or Elves. If the knight simply dismount, than they would not the man power infantry units usually has and bretonnian knights have not really good armour on foot (calv get additional amour for being mounted). Bretonnian infantry is not particularly good and a unit of state troops of the empire probably would hack most of them to pieces (bihanded swords are even worst). Bretonnian range is nothing special either and the arty has no cannons and the cities of the empire for example have cannons on the walls/tower. Overall I think the Bretonnian army could use some addition, both in units and chars, since the armybook is pretty old. Maybe something like a grail monk? As a char? A hunting master (bowchar)? A additional paladin like char? Perhaps the foot knight units? Additional infantry? Maybe a unit of heavy crossbows/longbows, as a kind of guard unit for cities/castles? I share you thought on, hippo-griffon. Grail knights? i would think different: for Generals, i would assume that make quest is the way to get them the chance to drink form the grail, making them extreme powerful. The unit however I would make simply make them a limed unit of which either 1-2 exist (maybe correspond with the size of the empire?).
Si Wi for the Grail knights why don't you have a quest line with the general and his body guard in witch your general starts with questing knights as bodyguards and after he kills a lot powerful dudes or wins a bunch of battles he and his bodyguard become Grail knights? But that shouldn't be the only way to get them either so maybe some sort of quest line or maybe a upgrade system, like if after a unit get X amount of x.p. they become then next tier unit starting from knight errant and ending with Grail knight or maybe like what you said you can only have 2 or 3 of them witch is probably the most likely thing that's going to happen
Sir Dude Well in my vision of Wh TW (read here more if you want to: forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/140687-My-Personal-vision-for-a-Warhammer-Total-War) there are no bodyguard units, but you do it like in the Tabletop and chose which unit a chars joins. Overall I do like your idea (upgrading units for exp, should be a thing anyway...) as well as the quest reward, but still I would say that this unit is so important for the Bretonian army (since what else does really hurt from them? Compare to let's say big daemons), I think excess should be reliable.
Si Wi no i can put the missing pieces together but i think you're just missing a couple words here and there and it makes it a little hard read to but i'm no English teacher! :D
Can you explain Men at Arms to the people who make the Call of Warhammer mod: BOTET. For some reason they seem to think men at arms should have similar stats to Empire state troops.
in Dom4 there's a hero called Catherine, she's the head grail maiden and rides a unicorn. is that just a Dom4 thing or is she in the warhammer lore too?
Historian here. The wedge formation is actually almost never used in reality and has very few examples in history. In games it makes sense but in real life you just put your main guy right in front for all the pokers and arrows etc and then basically feed yourseld into the enemy one at a time. Theres alot of debate about how useful the wedge actually was and if it was ever even used. A long thin line of charging knights is ALWAYS better. Thin bc once you impact in as wide an area as possible. Nobody is behind you losing momentum and you mght even be able to wrap around the enemy. So i can totaly see why only bretonians would have wedge. Bc they are warhammers hillbillys and not very smart. Simply put they are proly the only faction dumb enough to try it. Of course in a game wedge is standard. But it simply isnt in real life.
GW certainly snobbs at the Men-at-Arms. I mean, historically they were more or less professional soldiers (albeit in the lower levels of the hierarchy). Even in the model representation of them, do they display reasonable equipment (Kettle helmets, pole arms, shields looking to be of decent quality etc.) Anyways, I suspect that CA will take some creative liberties and diversify units, to the point where you have like 3 or 4 types of men-at-arms (or faction substitute) in different roles. Simply because tabletop only allow so many models (because costs, practicality and what not). Total war is different, I geniunly hope that it has the depth enough to have each and all factions have spearmen, various melee troops, polearm equiped troops and so on to properly represent different types of roles. Whereas it is rationalized away in table top, it pose a lesser problem for a video game.
I agree, Men at Arms can actually be a pretty solid unit, they're as well equipped as Imperial soldiers when it comes to armour and weaponry, the voulges they carry are pretty nasty and like you said, their shields are also very effective, on the tabletop all shields are the same but in a total war game I can easily imagine them offering more protection than the ones used by orcs or Imperial swordsmen. The lore talks about them forming huge, Roman style shield walls to hold the enemy down whilst the knights countercharge them, since despite what a lot of sources say, the main bulk of a Bretonnian army will be made up of peasant soldiers. They're very easy to underestimate too, and you can catch a lot of foes off guard by supporting them with magic.
I don't see why people are surprised at how peasants are treated. This was how peasants are really treated in medieval times. All that King Arthur chivalry is nothing but pure BS.
+Aldous Jose A. Castro Not quite, 90% taxes is absolutely insane. Medieval serfs paid around 25%. There is no way a tax rate of 90% could be sustained without having the country in a permanent state of rebellion or everybody simply leaving. Low tech agriculture does not allow people to produce 10 times what they need to survive.
Not anymore, CA confirms they offcially implemented the Lance Formation to Bretonnian Knights for the Free-DLC of Bretonnia that's coming out in the 28th. Also Green Knight is confirmed a Legendary Hero.
Did you ever study any byzantine military history at all? Cuz u said u wanna imagine them like byzantines then proceeded to talk about various tactics that ate Much more in line with like. 14th century german lands or even, as you should know, nordic tactics in high middle ages. After vikings basicaly. Byzantines had cataphracts yes but they were more finishers than anything. The infantry was the main deal. The cataphracts would engage the nubians or keeo nimble persian cabalry busy (tho usually persian cavalry owned the byzantine one hard. Like 9/10 times.) But the cataphracts were nobles like bretonia. Except its real life and they didnt wanna die but wanted glory. The infantry would do the work and once the upperhand was gained or the oersian cavalry routed THEN the cavalry would smash into the flanks and finish it. Less risk for noble but they can take all the credit. Same as winged hussars. Like siege of vienna? That was all the infantry the hussars just charged at the end to clean up THAT is byzantine cavalry tactics. So not sure what byzantine youre talkin about but it seems to me youre more talkong about reconquista spain, or high middle ages germany/nordic tactics. Where cavalry was to charge and back off. Or be shock troops.
I'm not being mean btw and I know I'm like a decade late but just being like a historic advisor. But I mean it in a friendly way. (I specializes in Europe. Also educated in and western and southeastern Asia/northern Africa. Subsaharan Africa (not south) and the geopolitics of the time. from like 500BC to 1500ad Btw. After Richard the 3rd, got some bad luck when he should've won and was killed and Henry Tudor ran a propoganda campaign, killed the boys and pinned it on Richie, I lose interest immediately. The Tudors suck. Rest of Europe is crazy interesting tho at the time luckily. )
+khalid bin ghaith Nope, but it's almost guaranteed they'll make them in Total War because cavalry is almost always useless XD except in Attila when it was a lil broken
+khalid bin ghaith Well if it's about as good as it was in Rome 2 then sure cavalry will be handy but unless they go full Attila and make it so the only thing you can't the front of with melee cav is pikes then I'd expect it'd only be helpful on your flanks for killing their cav and then acting out rear charges.
Can't the Champion in Rome II challenge a general or other hero to single combat? If it isn't one of the abilities, it could be in Warhammer. Then maybe Britonian lords would just have a higher chance to die in those.
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With all this armor shit in warhammer universe blacksmith must be filthy rich.
+Rudevald serious douth and blacksmith are filthy rich for the first to make and amour off any kinde take lot of time, if you make 5 amour a year your if you are goode.
seconde if and faction are amoring and lot of soldier will not use singel blacksmith but will use armor factory vare and hundred if not tusen of blacksmith are working
two way for and blacksmith to be rich are be corupt or to have lot of skill and more reputation
Omg reading that made my brain collapse
+Connor Turton I think he was supposing the idea that armour takes months to make. Clearly he's never actually seen how much most armour is just flat surfaces bolted together and occasionally beaten into a curve. Arming hundreds of men takes months yes, but a half dozen will only take a couple weeks.
Alright thanks for clearing that up fam
+Laurence Martin Well it depends on what kind of armour we're talking about.
An ordinary soldier in the later part of the history of metal armour would be wearing munition armour: Mass-produced and of reasonable quality.
Making a full, custom plate harness for a knight is something else entirely, and could take a good smith quite a while, but with marked improvements in comfort and mobility, if not necessarily in protection (it'll probably all be made from similar steel).
I can imagine a master smith being paid well to make custom harnesses for wealthy customers, with a large group of apprentices under him making munition armour for the common soldier.
"the bretonnians have very little anti-artillery"
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Cavalry! any and all cavalry.
Sweeping cavalry charges , that’s chivalrying
The empire and high elves have good heavy calvary, the wood and dark elves have good light cavalry, but the Bretonnians have good SHOCK cavalry. Their job is to melt enemy morale in one or two hits, not grind them out, so against things like beastman and skaven, bretonnia just annihilates armies.
Not until, THE WINGED LANCERS OF KISLEV ARRIVED!!!!
@@daswordofgork9823 lol! In lore, a winged lancer does not even come close to a grail knight. Its like comparing a phoenix guard to a goblin
@@jonstalin5992 damn savage rebuke. Virgin hussar vs chad grail knight
CA Should have seen this before giving the Grail Knights and Pegasus Knights their stats.... They feel sooooo underpowered.
Grail Knights should be some of the best horse cavalry (i.e. excluding monstrous cavalry) in the game.
leiah2 they definitely feel like the current updates have tweeked them a bit to make them more effective....though pegisus knights are still underpowered.
amusing... i've read on the Forums that the Bretonian air force is absolutely disgusting...
personaly i wouldnt take htei rcurrent stats as granted until after they become a full fledged faction in february
There has been a few balance changes. And I think the pegasus knights are really strong if you use them correctly, but if you can't spend a lot of micro on them, they often get swamped behind enemy lines without support.
I feel like Bretonnia's peasant bowmen should be the only faction with skirmishers who should be able to utilizes stakes because of their weak infantry. The empire's infantry is more than capable of handling themselves, holding a line, and protecting their skirmishers. A Bretonnian player on the other hand, is going to be more heavily occupied with the micro of all of their cavalry units running everywhere at once. The stakes would at least give the Bretonnian player a little peace-of-mind over the security of their bowmen from frontal assaults of enemies cavalry charges, while still having to worry about how long their men-at-arms will hold off superior infantry. Since the peasant bowmen are "fair/capable" skirmishers and nothing extraordinary; I feel that the stakes will grant the little edge that the peasant bowmen need that is both fair and balanced.
So Arch, do you know about how Bretonnia 1st edition was more like Ancien Regime France than medieval version.
- Bretonnia had pistols and urbanized
- overtaxed peasants along with filthy urban areas.
- duel-obsessed nobility.
That became Estalia, no?
peasants are still over taxed now they live in filthy hamlets in the shadow of castles.
@@RocketHarry865 Typical peasant whinging
I am not sure that the Total War guys will focus too much on keeping races balanced. Not beyond the tabletop system at least.
They focused more on how powerful units were realistically in Rome Total War rather than obsessing overly on keeping it balanced.
I mean, a Gaul army would always be at an disadvantage against the roman army. Requiring players to think steps ahead.
That was the great thing about that game. It wasn't fair. Meaning that you had to be smart to win with the less developed factions.
I’ve binge watch loads of your warhammer vid over the last couple of days. Their great, thanks Arch.
How the hell has total war warhammer been out this long already where did the time go?
I really needed this. Thanks for brightening the day Arch!
It's interesting how many things Arch assumed or guessed or was close to guessing that were actually right and are present in the game.
Indeed he was pretty close with most of it
After all the times youve said the phrase " taking a cannonball to the face " you should do a lore video on cannons historical or fictional
He'll do that somewhen between tomorrow and the heat death of the Universe.
@@MizantropMan Cut that, he’s doing it after the next Big Bang.
I think we all know how we're going to get the rest of the factions.
"BRETTONIA DLC $20.00"
Kaiser Louis-Philip V sad but true, we should not buy it...nvm..long live the king ffs
Kaiser Louis-Philip V I'm bloody willing to pay their chopped up content, as long as they actually make the game good. And I'd pay 20 for bretonnia :P I wouldn't pay a single $ for orcs or skaven though :P
Kaiser Louis-Philip V the game will be sold with 4 to 5 armys and will later sell 2 addons to the map with new armys
#notbuying until Bretonnia released/modded
Kaiser Louis-Philip V Hey if its a concentrated faction exclusive campaign with the faction with some good content shubed in their id pay happily......a fuck their the grail knights id pay if it was a unit pack
The way that Bretonnian armies work has already been implemented in Medieval II, well to some extent so CA could just look at that game for Bretonnian and to some extent the Empire, as the Knightly orders in that game are The Knights Templar and The Hospitallers the Spanish also get a unique one but I can't remember what they were
what i understood from this video is "they are worst than the empire in every way, even in their speciality"
math2222322 purty much, but the bretonnian knights are core choices so you can have as many of them as you want while the empire knights are limited. Weather or not that is going to be implemented in any way in TWW is anybody's guess thou.
Arch Warhammer Yeah, but Bretonnia hasn't been updated in forever. They're only crap because of the codex creep. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to update it, that they'd make life a little less bleak for the peasants too.
Being cavalry centric, the big thing the Brettonians would have is a cavalry unit for every situation. Knight's Errant and Knights of the Realm for the numbers game, Questing Knights for... I guess Questing... maybe a unit that tires slowly and being good at running down and chasing enemy units about, and/or perhaps some sort of zone capturing bonus. Grail Knights for anti-elite and punching holes. Mounted Yeomen for scouting, quick strikes, anti-skirmisher, and lighting fast cycle attacks. The Bretonnians want to gain cavalry superiority by quickly slaughtering /all/ the enemy cav /away/ from the enemy infantry support and then launching concentrated attacks on vulnerable enemy units. They'd also have prefer the Alexandrian school of strategy, where the infantry merely holds off the bulk of the enemy forces while their general runs straight for the enemy commander. Most horde style armies get pretty panicky when their big boss dies.
DracoAvian Sadly the bro-tonnians aren't getting an update and will most likely be merged with empire and dwarves in 9th edition. The entire world was destroyed in the end times so who the frogglers knows what will happen next :/
I have no idea what's going on in Warhammer anymore... I kinda stopped after Storm of Magic ruined tabletop for me. Something about my style of play being ridiculously bad in a storm of magic fight.
DracoAvian I think they retconned storm of magic. Tho if you don't like giant magic balls of death that end the game in a single turn you won't like end times. I feel like they're murdering my childhood. Goodbye Bretonnia, tomb kings, and beastmen. I hope that if they do get merged there's options to continue using them as separate entities.
"It's not a ranged attack, it's a barrel of oil!"
Instead of an upgrade to Men at Arms, couldn't the Grail* Reliquary work similarly to the Great Cross in Medieval 2? Basically it becomes a single, comparatively vulnerable unit that offers big morale buffs around allied units and can, if necessary, drop its item to defend it, albeit not particularly well.
Congratulations
Arch called the ward save system.
I have a question not related to the video. Are you ever going to make a video about famous people from lore? Like Nagash,Gotrek and Felix, Malus Darkblade, Teclus, and possibly Brunner a personal favorite of mine. I personally like fantasy better than 40k and own a lot of the novels.
Hey are a few suggestions of fantasy books, should you want any more. There are good 40K novels but you prefer fantasy.
Omnibuses
The Brunner omnibus (although you'll probably read it) (All around the world)
The Witch Hunter omnibus, (Empire)
The Sundering Omnibus (Elves),
The Calard the Knight (of Knight Errant, Knight of the Realm, Questing Knight and Grail Knight) they are also combined in a single book (Bretonnia),
The Tyrion & Teclis omnibus (Elves).
The Ambassador Chronicles (Kislev/Empire)
Novels
Iron Company (The Empire),
The Enemy Within (Empire/Chaos)
Necromancer (Empire/Undead)
The Red Duke (Bretonnia/Undead)
There are other good fantasy books but I haven't finished reading them (like all the chronicles)
However if you are watching the Slayer series (Gotrek and Felix), I would suggest stop reading the series after Vampire Slayer
I hope that helps
It's that time of the year again.
CA is releasing a new faction and I go back to watch these videos once again :)
just to let people know:
TOTAL WARHAMMER IS ANNOUNCED ON STEAM AND THERE IS A TRAILER!!!
TerranGaming and it seems that flying units are in, along with magic and the current nations are empire chaos orcs vampires and also heroes are a thing
Dwarves? Elves? Stalin led Medieval France.? I was looking forward to all of them. You think they will be DLC? Or just not made at all
yeah dwarfes are in too, there are also going to be 2 expansions that will make the map bigger and add factions so i do think elves will be added
Its funny because the Longbowmen and Knights are the ones who gets the kills
while the Men-at-arms - gets killed.
fascinating, warhammer fantasy is so well developed and all this happening on one planet? amazing
41:50 Guy on the left must be a crack shot.
I miss this background music in Arch video😔
Me to, I also really like his more relaxed/laid back way of talking.
@Pyrrus of Macedonia
I think they were the Santiago knight. The HRE had also the Teutonic knights.
I personal would hope for a more complex system for getting the knightly orders of your side (earn glory in battle with them, do quest, fight certain enemy's, build certain temples and all that fun stuff).
PS. couldn't answer directly.
Oof old arch videos are still lit
french did not loose to english because of the english long bow but because of the tons of mud knights stuck within mud so they got murdered by the bowmen's secondary weapons :-)
Your right but the bow helped a lot due to the fear it instilled because of other battles Poitiers for example. In agincourt the French had maybe 8000 men at arms and lost to an army of just about 1000 English men at arms with 5000 archers most untrained and ill equipped with melee weapons and armour
What I don't understand: How are the bretonians able to use hit and run: as you mentioned in the beginning The blessing takes of if the unit flees. So the unit would fluffwise avoid to flee or even disengage ( cause this can be seen as a form of fleeing).
Ideally in the fluff, what would happen in a Bretonnian Army Skirmish/Battle:
The enemy would mass up as they do. Consider Bretonnia's major enemies are Orcs, Vampires, Beastmen, and Skavens, all "Big Blobby" armies. They don't really fight the Empire all that often to deal with formal ranked formations. Nor do they fight Kislev's hit and run horseback skirmishers, or all that often fight Chaos and Lizardmen and it's heavy Grindfest and attrition. When considering Fluff Tactics and how an army is "Supposed" to fight, you always have to consider who their real enemies are.
In the case of Orcs, Beastmen, and Skavens you typically have very low Leadership enemies for the most part. Orc Boyz/Goblins are terrible at Combat Resolution, meaning once they take a charge, it's very likely that Orcs will break and flee, leaving the bretonnians in the area to consolidate again. Granted in tabletop this tends not to happen due to clunk with the Rules, and you just charge again, picking your mark. But in Fluff they'd wheel about to consolidate with the Men at Arms and Longbowmen, to set up another crushing charge... unless they were like Knights Errant and thus so full of Glory Seeking that they'd just charge the fleeing orcs can run them down. The same applies for Skaven, the danger with Skaven is that they WANT you to bog down on their rank and file slaves and such. But as long as you can inflict terrible enough casualties the enemy breaks, then you won't get bogged down, swarmed, and taken down.
In the case of Undead this usually means the knights will be picking off the more mobile units on their list. The various beasties that can run around. The rank and file Zombie and Skeleton blocks are just going to get hammered with a ton of arrows from the Peasants. Since the Knights are more likely to be engaging mobile elements they are similarly unlikely to get bogged down in a protracted combat, giving them the ability to punch, scatter/slay an enemy, and regroup again. You wouldn't be going after the undead as the undead are immune to psychology, and thus won't break. Well, unless the undead unit is weak enough that you feel confident in sweeping them completely with that initial charge and maybe a short clash afterwards.
Now the enemies that they don't normally face... that's where Lore wise the Bretonnian tactics tend to fail. Then again... it's enemies they don't normally face. Chaos Warriors are unlikely to break, and able to take the charge unless weakened significantly at first they'll grind it out, because that's what they do. And Bretonnians aren't exactly the best at grinding it out. Not against super heavy elite infantry blocks like Chaos Warriors, or Saurus, etc.
But against the enemies that they do face normally? They can hit and run quite well. Just keep in mind lore wise they're not running themselves. What they are doing is the Fantasy equivalent of "Tank Shock", hitting something so hard, so fast, that it scatters. And that scattering gives them time to regroup after the initial clash, pick their target, and do it again. Considering the enemies that they normally fight (Orks, Beastmen, Undead, Skaven), they can't "Grind it out" like Chaos, Lizardmen, The Empire, etc. It's feeding into the sort of fighting that those forces want and excel at, pinning you down to where the raw numbers game matters, either in terms of fighting against things like genetically bred super soldier Incan Dinosaurs with more years of military service than your Kingdom has even existed and hides so tough that they can turn aside sword strikes, or just facing the Skaven nightmare of "For every 1 I kill, 3 more take its place!", or Undead Hordes that are just replenishing bodies faster than you can grind through... or heck just the simple fact that Orc Boyz (Feral and Not), are just really, really good at Melee and that's where they want to keep you so they can crump you.
The Empire doesn't hit and run with its forces because while yes, they do face some of the same enemies (Orcs and Vampires), they also don't face others (Skaven) and some are more of a "nuisance" than a proper army they face regularly (Beastmen). But more inparticular it's Norscan Raiders and Chaos Warriors that define their tactics. Enemies that don't break right away, and you do have to grind it out against them. Thus why they have a far more static army, with knights trained less to be Linebreakers as it were, and more to be meat grinders. Carroburg Greatswords that never turn their back to the enemy, under any circumstance, and of course the massive gunlines and Halbred/Spear formations.
It's just interesting to think about. The Empire is defensive, no question about it. Their entire army and tactica is based on being under siege effectively. That's just how they roll, and they gear their units accordingly and drill them as such.
Bretonnia however is not a defensive army. When they fight wars they don't fight from Walls and Towers, fortified positions and wooden palisades and earthworks. They fight crusades and errantry wars. Their culture and faith gives them a sense of superiority (Then again if I can bounce cannonballs off my chest because I pray to a Lady who gives out magic kool-aid to the worthy... I might feel a bit smug too, particularly over those lesser Knights to the Northeast who CAN'T bounce cannonballs when they pray to a Guy with a Hammer...), and they subscribe to that adage "The best defense is a good offense", always keeping enemies off kilter and trying to respond to them.
How whould Bretonnia handle siege battles, seeing that peasants wont be able to hold or take walls? Is there any fluff on dismounted knights since that would be awesome on walls?
+Christian Palm Forsgren Trebucheeets and Pegasus knights shrekt walls
It remember me than i kill "definetly" a Sinople knight with a simple Saurus champion in WHFB. my openent was totaly upset.
The luck of dice and maybe....karma also. ^^
Knights as the core of the army could work. It's somewhat comparable to how Parthia and the Massagetae worked in Rome II. The Massagetae with their single infantry unit and their highly-developed lancers being the better example, perhaps?
Seems like everything Bretonnian does the Empire has an unit that does the same thing but better and with cannons.
+side_burned Nah, Bretonnia has superior mounted knights by far. The basic troops though, the Empire is better.
+TemplarX2 In the snuff yes, in the table top no - Bretonnia are underpowered in Warhammer itself. If we based it on lore, Bretonnian knights would most certainly hold their own against Imperial knights and even defeat them, but in a straight up fight with the Empire (who would be using all their advanced weaponry and artillery) the Bretonnians would get completely fucking decimated. I say this with a heavy heart as the Bretonnians are my favourite race in the Warhammer universe.
Remember when i was young and i bought my first boxes, and they where all men at arms. And when i see how bad they are i really regret buying them....
I want these in Total War: Warhammer!
I just want to kill empire cavalry with Bretonnian cavalry
+Tom Awesomeface Dont be afraid. This will probably be the free faction that they will give us! 99% chance that this will be the one.
+SteveTheDruid you're right! From the campaign video they released, Brettonia is a fully realized faction that even has at least one legendary lord, so it's most likely that they will give us this one for free as they're already so much done.
+SteveTheDruid You think i'm gonna buy their game? Hah! Not after Chaos, its like a WW2 game and making Germany a buyable DLC faction
+Tom Awesomeface You'll probably get them as mercenaries
Laurence Martin Its a shame what they've done to the game, Martin, it really is...
oh god look at those models, they are so cool >w
I think what you proposed about how the Damsel works is the likely possibility now that we know that heroes are agents that can merge with armies and be used in battles.
Not sure if someone pointed it out before, but 5+ on 1d6 equals ~33%, not 25%. 2/6 = 1/3 = 33/99 = 33,33%
Apart from that, great vids. Keep it up!
I really hope bretonnia will be a playable faction, I want to make an empire and have an epic hippogriff gryphon duel with karl franz :)
Cool army, shitty way of life. I'm sticking with Skaven. #SkavenFanboy
Agreed with you #skavenfanboyhere
TerranGaming Do you feel like being zerged? #TheSwarmIsComing
no #AllHereticsShallBurn
TerranGaming Let's just stick to the Skaven.
Rush4in why does almost everyone like the skaven that much? actually, they are just oversized junky rats that love to murder each other right.
now the grail knights can't get tired... that's awesome!
Bretonnia and the High Elves are the two armies I can't wait to see in Total War: Warhammer. Just colossal knight charges, and super elite cavalry. Grail Knights and Dragon Knights of Caledor FTW.
***** yeah the dragon knights are the high elves super heavy shock cavalry, they hit incredibly hard and fast but are almost double the price XD
I love listening to this
I'm thankfull CA decided to tone down the grimderp
Very good job man, cant fucking wait.
The knights can go on foot but most prefer to go mount because of chivarly and that. Their most likely going to make knight foot unit or make the yeoman dirth cheap and cost effective.
I'm surprised the peasants are allowed to possess longbows to begin with,as those would pose a threat to their overlords.
Rellana1
And also rival lords and imperial knights.
maybe there should be a thing where men at arms with a lot of experience become veteran men at arms with better morale and stat-wise they are not terrible, maybe even decent spear units. still negliglable armor but better spears picked form the field of battle during their war careers. is this a good idea or does it go against any brettonian law that too experienced men at arms are killed or something?
Experienced men-at-arms become yeomen or sergeants and captains for men-at-arms companies
Remember that "Dismount" button in those other Total War games? The one you never used, ever?
It might have an use now.
There's a dismount button?
At least in Shogun 2 there is. I suppose there must be in other TW games. But cavalry units are pretty crappy on foot. But bretonnian knights could act as powerful foot soldiers when dismounted.
I never use it but the A.I does in siege battles.
Remember when Arch was about this instead of pretending he wasn't on board with Dev's gommunism?
It always annoyed me that the Bretonians never had a unit of like, dismounted knights. Heavy infantry with maybe 2 handed weapons or s sword and shield that would really help balance and round out the Bretonian list. Hell maybe even just something like sergeant spearmen just so they had at least a mid tier infantry unit
+Timothy Easton Well in the Total War franchise you are able to dismount mounted units at the start of combat (or at least you could in some games), so maybe in the game you'll have Grail Knights on foot.
+rhemorigher that's actually a decent idea, only problem is that cavalry units are half the standard infantry size, but then again they are elites so should be able to hold their own against most tier 1 and 2 inf
Especially considering how expensive it was for a knight to be fully equipped for war. The Destrier which most think of the warhorse of the knight were too expensive to for the average knight who would had to settle for lesser horses such as a Courser or Rouncey. If the Knight was particularly poor he would of had to go on foot
I think knights should have the ability to just overrun enemy units and break them emidiatly....
Just started playing Warhammer 2.
Im playing Brretonnia...... The knights are ridiculously expensive. Right now the cheapest knight is 508 gold. The most expensive is 1400 gold. And that's maintenance fees!
idea : well total war games had quests ... and bretonia uphold honor and well...they do theyr quests...sooo maybe after x amount of quest you get some grayl knights
I think all your knights (until you build upgrade buildings) should start as knights errant and as they get more experience become knights of the realm etc ?
Bretonnia had such a nice miniatures....fucking age of sigmar...
I never understood fuedal warfare, They completly scrapped everything of the roman legions, "Huh Rome fell. Now what do we do with armies?" "I KNOW LETS DO THE OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING ONE OF THE BEST ARMIES IN HISTORY DID!" "Lets use shit spearmen and expensive heavy cavalry!" "What was that alexios about turks at the gates?"
They couldn't utilise the same type of warfare as the Romans as they did not have the industry or the population to make all the stuff or supply the troops. Also medieval armies were not professional. The peasantry were mostly levied militia men and the only real profesional soldiers were of a born caste (knights). The medieval society was entirely different to the Romans and so their armies could not be the same.
ThreeDog You do realize that pike and shots became a thing because of medieval warfare yes And secondarily I’m gonna go ahead and state that a fully armored war horse and they are knight would generally be enough to break the Roman army it’s only for the fact that they would have Sapir your armor weapons in training combined this of course with the fact that they have anti-armor weapons such as the poleax
Just BINGE re playing, commenting and liking (after the hack) ..
green knight + blessing of the lady = fireworks!
+Arch Warhammer @ 8:51 onward - The Brettonians are nothing like the Byzantines aka The Eastern Roman Empire.. in Warhammer The Empire IS literally the Holy Roman Empire in look and architecture especially and the very religious sects. Byzantines were very very similar in troop composition as well to The Empire.. The backbone of the east romans armies was a Heavy Cavalry utilized by the byzantine army... The Cataphracts (a heavily armored soldier with an armored warhorse) which essentially is the knights of the reiksguard or just an Empire Knight even can pass as a Cataphract but none of the bretts.... , the Knights of The Realm in bretts are more like your typical French cavalier and the knights of british and French origin.. working for lords for housing food and to have a position in society, enforce their own military.. its totally british/frenc inspied and they have the same kind of system of land ownership and tax the shit out their peasants like the Brits and the French., also the Byzantines had access to gunpowder, which the Bretts have no use of.
Sorry I had to correct you :( I still love your vids of course :D :D :D :D
insert boner joke here he said what he'd like to see, not what it is in the lore. Also Byzantine was just Eastern Roman no holy
Okay that was a typo I didn't mean holy romans ill edit that "holy" part out. Thanks for clearing that up I didn't even notice there was a typo there or I woulda fixed it by now. Thanks.!
Damn it, my ghosts can't really affect those damned knights... gonna need to slow them down with some zombies... no, they wouldn't catch up, perhaps some Blood Dragons or something just to bog them down long enough for the zombies and necromancers to catch up.
Theron Black Might be good to bog down the peasants with wraiths and other etherials whilst I try to get rid of the knights.
Wait what are you talking about? I sear Bret knights don't have a worse armour save than Empire knights
sounds like the Bretonnians might have a bit of trouble unless they do something with the cavalry because in attila disengaging your cavs pretty much a death sentence
Thoose are knights, so have only nest hopes :)
"Pegasusus"
I seem to remember Brettonian horses being quicker than normal horses.
+Jacob Dischert They were movement 8 as usual but they had a special rule that allowed them to ignore the movement penalty for barding, so they were faster than most other heavy cavalry.
+Baller Larva thanks for clearing that up!
jessiles? Or what ever? What the hell are jessiles? ( 42:18 )
Jezzails are the skaven equivalent of sniper rifles, but require two skaven to use it.
Tristan Bigornia Ok, thank you
Jakob Schöning It’s basically a long intricate rifle they were originally made by the Arabs and the main purpose of them was just to show off how much money you had similarly to the five fingers brought dagger that the Italians made its purpose is to show off your bling while also being useful as a murder implement or hunting
The # of knights in bretonia is closer to what the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth looked like where 10% of society were nobles, true they were poorer and held less land but there was alot of them. In France nobility was closer to 2% of society.
The way knight ranks are is as follows: Knights Errant -> Knight of the Realm -> Questing Knight -> Grail Knight.
Also of interest may be that in the old army book there were a ton of special characters (almost all knights, of course). They could have up to 75% of their army worth of points of those, even. Knights also had special magic items and a type of benefit called knightly virtues (the Questing knights' and Grail knights' specific benefits being two of those).
Also of note is that commoners couldn't be more than 50% of the army whereas knights had to be at least 25% (up to 100%) of the army. That, and they had the most awesome warhorses, reputed to be of sturdy human breed bred with speedy elven steeds. Of course knights being knights there were rules to allow certain high-ranked knights to ride various beasties, from Wyverns to Dragons.
Anyway, Bretonnia should have the most knights in an army (potentially), the best knights (their whole culture is based around 'em), and a lot of heroes.
I have some suspect, that the Bretonnian Army will be strong in filed battles, but will lacking in siege, both defence and attack.
That could be soften, if they add a foot knight units like in Medieval 2. But still I see Bretonnian at a disadvantages in sieges, compared to the Empire or Dwarves or Elves.
If the knight simply dismount, than they would not the man power infantry units usually has and bretonnian knights have not really good armour on foot (calv get additional amour for being mounted).
Bretonnian infantry is not particularly good and a unit of state troops of the empire probably would hack most of them to pieces (bihanded swords are even worst). Bretonnian range is nothing special either and the arty has no cannons and the cities of the empire for example have cannons on the walls/tower.
Overall I think the Bretonnian army could use some addition, both in units and chars, since the armybook is pretty old.
Maybe something like a grail monk? As a char? A hunting master (bowchar)? A additional paladin like char?
Perhaps the foot knight units? Additional infantry? Maybe a unit of heavy crossbows/longbows, as a kind of guard unit for cities/castles?
I share you thought on, hippo-griffon.
Grail knights? i would think different: for Generals, i would assume that make quest is the way to get them the chance to drink form the grail, making them extreme powerful. The unit however I would make simply make them a limed unit of which either 1-2 exist (maybe correspond with the size of the empire?).
Si Wi for the Grail knights why don't you have a quest line with the general and his body guard in witch your general starts with questing knights as bodyguards and after he kills a lot powerful dudes or wins a bunch of battles he and his bodyguard become Grail knights? But that shouldn't be the only way to get them either so maybe some sort of quest line or maybe a upgrade system, like if after a unit get X amount of x.p. they become then next tier unit starting from knight errant and ending with Grail knight or maybe like what you said you can only have 2 or 3 of them witch is probably the most likely thing that's going to happen
Sir Dude Well in my vision of Wh TW (read here more if you want to: forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/140687-My-Personal-vision-for-a-Warhammer-Total-War) there are no bodyguard units, but you do it like in the Tabletop and chose which unit a chars joins.
Overall I do like your idea (upgrading units for exp, should be a thing anyway...) as well as the quest reward, but still I would say that this unit is so important for the Bretonian army (since what else does really hurt from them? Compare to let's say big daemons), I think excess should be reliable.
Si Wi I sorry man but are you a native English speaker?
Sir Dude
Enope (sorry), is something in particular you don't understand and I shall try to make clearer?
Si Wi no i can put the missing pieces together but i think you're just missing a couple words here and there and it makes it a little hard read to but i'm no English teacher! :D
I hope they come after Wood Elves dlc is out
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@@InquisitorThomas And getting a dlc
Can you explain Men at Arms to the people who make the Call of Warhammer mod: BOTET. For some reason they seem to think men at arms should have similar stats to Empire state troops.
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You should look into 9th age if you want good updated bretonnian rules.
Ohh Knights you poor poor Knights
in Dom4 there's a hero called Catherine, she's the head grail maiden and rides a unicorn. is that just a Dom4 thing or is she in the warhammer lore too?
Historian here. The wedge formation is actually almost never used in reality and has very few examples in history. In games it makes sense but in real life you just put your main guy right in front for all the pokers and arrows etc and then basically feed yourseld into the enemy one at a time. Theres alot of debate about how useful the wedge actually was and if it was ever even used. A long thin line of charging knights is ALWAYS better. Thin bc once you impact in as wide an area as possible. Nobody is behind you losing momentum and you mght even be able to wrap around the enemy. So i can totaly see why only bretonians would have wedge. Bc they are warhammers hillbillys and not very smart. Simply put they are proly the only faction dumb enough to try it.
Of course in a game wedge is standard. But it simply isnt in real life.
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GW certainly snobbs at the Men-at-Arms. I mean, historically they were more or less professional soldiers (albeit in the lower levels of the hierarchy). Even in the model representation of them, do they display reasonable equipment (Kettle helmets, pole arms, shields looking to be of decent quality etc.)
Anyways, I suspect that CA will take some creative liberties and diversify units, to the point where you have like 3 or 4 types of men-at-arms (or faction substitute) in different roles. Simply because tabletop only allow so many models (because costs, practicality and what not).
Total war is different, I geniunly hope that it has the depth enough to have each and all factions have spearmen, various melee troops, polearm equiped troops and so on to properly represent different types of roles. Whereas it is rationalized away in table top, it pose a lesser problem for a video game.
I agree, Men at Arms can actually be a pretty solid unit, they're as well equipped as Imperial soldiers when it comes to armour and weaponry, the voulges they carry are pretty nasty and like you said, their shields are also very effective, on the tabletop all shields are the same but in a total war game I can easily imagine them offering more protection than the ones used by orcs or Imperial swordsmen. The lore talks about them forming huge, Roman style shield walls to hold the enemy down whilst the knights countercharge them, since despite what a lot of sources say, the main bulk of a Bretonnian army will be made up of peasant soldiers. They're very easy to underestimate too, and you can catch a lot of foes off guard by supporting them with magic.
The Bretonnian DLC is coming very soon.
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is battle in total war warhammer going to be like rome 2 with the bad flag capturing even on the plains with no god dang city in sight?
What do you think about the solution they went with for limiting numbers of men at arms? With the peasant economy?
I don't see why people are surprised at how peasants are treated. This was how peasants are really treated in medieval times. All that King Arthur chivalry is nothing but pure BS.
+Aldous Jose A. Castro Not quite, 90% taxes is absolutely insane. Medieval serfs paid around 25%. There is no way a tax rate of 90% could be sustained without having the country in a permanent state of rebellion or everybody simply leaving. Low tech agriculture does not allow people to produce 10 times what they need to survive.
See, and guess what if you want to have the Bretonian Lance Formation, you need to download a mod.
Not anymore, CA confirms they offcially implemented the Lance Formation to Bretonnian Knights for the Free-DLC of Bretonnia that's coming out in the 28th.
Also Green Knight is confirmed a Legendary Hero.
Pegasus knights turned out to be rather weak actually.
This is mostly innacurate considering men at arms used to be the same stat line as state troops
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I think they are space marines in 40k universe.
Arch sounds so young
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Did you ever study any byzantine military history at all? Cuz u said u wanna imagine them like byzantines then proceeded to talk about various tactics that ate Much more in line with like. 14th century german lands or even, as you should know, nordic tactics in high middle ages. After vikings basicaly.
Byzantines had cataphracts yes but they were more finishers than anything. The infantry was the main deal. The cataphracts would engage the nubians or keeo nimble persian cabalry busy (tho usually persian cavalry owned the byzantine one hard. Like 9/10 times.)
But the cataphracts were nobles like bretonia. Except its real life and they didnt wanna die but wanted glory. The infantry would do the work and once the upperhand was gained or the oersian cavalry routed THEN the cavalry would smash into the flanks and finish it. Less risk for noble but they can take all the credit. Same as winged hussars. Like siege of vienna? That was all the infantry the hussars just charged at the end to clean up THAT is byzantine cavalry tactics. So not sure what byzantine youre talkin about but it seems to me youre more talkong about reconquista spain, or high middle ages germany/nordic tactics. Where cavalry was to charge and back off. Or be shock troops.
I'm not being mean btw and I know I'm like a decade late but just being like a historic advisor. But I mean it in a friendly way. (I specializes in Europe. Also educated in and western and southeastern Asia/northern Africa. Subsaharan Africa (not south) and the geopolitics of the time. from like 500BC to 1500ad Btw. After Richard the 3rd, got some bad luck when he should've won and was killed and Henry Tudor ran a propoganda campaign, killed the boys and pinned it on Richie, I lose interest immediately. The Tudors suck. Rest of Europe is crazy interesting tho at the time luckily. )
You mean pegasi right? :D
Anyone looking forward to Bretonnian Dismounted Knights being the core of your army?
+Laurence Martin where there any dismounted knights in the fluff?
+khalid bin ghaith Nope, but it's almost guaranteed they'll make them in Total War because cavalry is almost always useless XD except in Attila when it was a lil broken
Laurence Martin I hope they make the cavalry good here since i want to use some imperial knights
+khalid bin ghaith Well if it's about as good as it was in Rome 2 then sure cavalry will be handy but unless they go full Attila and make it so the only thing you can't the front of with melee cav is pikes then I'd expect it'd only be helpful on your flanks for killing their cav and then acting out rear charges.
well roman times werent the age of cavalry so i hope they emphasize more on cavalry here cuz those demigryphons are looking damn sexy
Can't the Champion in Rome II challenge a general or other hero to single combat? If it isn't one of the abilities, it could be in Warhammer. Then maybe Britonian lords would just have a higher chance to die in those.
the worst military in warhammer?
Good joke, these guys have a decent army.
I'd say the tomb kings are pretty lame
Not worst since they still have so many knights.
actually the tomb kings are pretty bad ass I'd say the beastman army is pretty lame
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