Cannibal Babies and The Resurrection
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- I discuss the medieval problem of cannibal babies and who's body will be resurrected if a person eats another person. I then look at what that means in terms of ontology and normal causality.
The discussion is an analysis of a twitter thread by Erik Wade.
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The music at the opening is Russian Eastern Overture, by Rimsky Korsakov.
"Alright everyone, we need to talk about cannibal babies."
This is the kind of thing I subscribed for.
Incest and cannibal babies. Sounds like Grindcore.
@David Chorak K
@David Chorak You're clearly not interested in a conversation, as demonstrated by your argumentative choice of words, so I'm perfectly happy to just wind you up until you learn to approach others with some humility.
This right here is exactly what Pageau's talking about. Waaay better having an example. The longer this goes the less stable it'll be.
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>cannibal babies and the resurrection
Never clicked a title so fast
And you are easily triggered.
"A scoffer seeks wisdom in vain, but knowledge is easy for a man of understanding." Proverbs 14:6 -- Somehow my mind went to this verse in your discussion of the medieval scholar who finds his subjects of study ridiculous.
It's very true. You can't gain any knowledge when you approach things as if you already have the answer, which is what prideful people do
It's exactly what I thought as I read it: imagine spending your whole life attempting to deface something you don't like and to signal virtue. I would assume its his way to try to "destroy what judges him", as Scruton would put it. Also, what a leap from "anxiety" to "racism".
The thinkers of old struggled with the black hole information paradox before they even knew what it was.
You don't know how cutting this remark is - very well done, thank-you
P.S. see Stephen Crothers dismantle Black Hole mathematics
I'm struck by the implied symbolism of what this video says about modern large cities. By and large they have below the replacement level of fertility of 2.1 children per family and hence they have to absorb the human material of those who were born outside the cities. Most modern cities are thus cannibalistic.
Medieval theological and logical problems are awesome on their merit.
People will always point and laugh at everything they can't understand.
Pageau is a
B-52 carrying truth bombs for this world. Stamped on each one with "from love from above"
This talk is the verbal equivalent of a Hieronymous Bosch painting.
He was using the language of science to tackle a metaphysical religious problem. Hammering a nail with a screwdriver and mocking it when it doesn't work.
Cracks me up that a video on credit is going to take some time to work out but cannibal babies was somehow more easily accessible! Lol. I really think your mind is wired differently than most humans. Love this. Looking forward to your June Q & A.
Isn't it the same thing with echo chambers where thought shrinks and shrivels if not nurtured by contact with other thought?
Thanks and keep on trucking (from France)
I had the same thought, word-for-word. Didn't mean to swipe your post 😬
That's very interesting! Reframing the mental atrophy that happens when you don't exercise your beliefs against criticism as you actually consuming your self. Nice way to understand it
Rene Girard also made the connection between cannibalism and homosexuality
It is the gateway between productivity and Satan's absolute sterility.
There's something simple about these post-apocalyptic videos that reminds me of the when this channel started. Personally, I like it.
That being said- Jonathan, I hope you and your family are getting some normalcy back, and doing well.
Thanks for all the terrific content!!!
Great explanation as always. One of my favourite examples of the motif of turning death against death is the story of Juda and Tamar, and in that case there is also a direct genealogical link with Christ. It’s also exactly the kind of story I would have mocked back in my arrogant high school atheist phase, for some reason those stories seem to be much harder for modern people to understand.
Yes, I keep wanting to make a video on that particular story because I think it can help us understand a lot about death and resurrection in our current crazy context.
Three quotes from GK Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday I find to be on subject. Firstly, for the concerned family member of one on the fringe.
"With surprise, but with a curious pleasure, he found Rosamond Gregory still in his company.
"Mr. Syme," she said, "do the people who talk like you and my brother often mean what they say? Do you mean what you say now?"
Syme smiled.
"Do you?" he asked.
"What do you mean?" asked the girl, with grave eyes.
"My dear Miss Gregory," said Syme gently, "there are many kinds of sincerity and insincerity. When you say 'thank you' for the salt, do you mean what you say? No. When you say 'the world is round,' do you mean what you say? No. It is true, but you don't mean it. Now, sometimes a man like your brother really finds a thing he does mean. It may be only a half-truth, quarter-truth, tenth-truth; but then he says more than he means-from sheer force of meaning it."
Secondly, from a similar vein as Mr. Wade an example of falsely equating sinful behavior (in this case terrorism, in the parlance of the novel anarchism, with Christian identity and practice.) Also a great example of virtue signaling.
"They never learn about anarchists from anarchists. We have no chance of denying the mountainous slanders which are heaped upon our heads from one end of Europe to another. The man who has always heard that we are walking plagues has never heard our reply. I know that he will not hear it tonight, though my passion were to rend the roof. For it is deep, deep under the earth that the persecuted are permitted to assemble, as the Christians assembled in the Catacombs. But if, by some incredible accident, there were here to-night a man who all his life had thus immensely misunderstood us, I would put this question to him: 'When those Christians met in those Catacombs, what sort of moral reputation had they in the streets above? What tales were told of their atrocities by one educated Roman to another? Suppose' (I would say to him), 'suppose that we are only repeating that still mysterious paradox of history. Suppose we seem as shocking as the Christians because we are really as harmless as the Christians. Suppose we seem as mad as the Christians because we are really as meek.'"
And finally from the same section a progressive normalizing cannibalism.
"I say we are merciful," repeated Gregory furiously, "as the early Christians were merciful. Yet this did not prevent their being accused of eating human flesh. We do not eat human flesh--"
"Shame!" cried Witherspoon. "Why not?"
"Comrade Witherspoon," said Gregory, with a feverish gaiety, "is anxious to know why nobody eats him (laughter)."
This was legendary!! I think you’d love to have a convo with a proper medievalist like Rachel Fulton Brown. She is writing up some primers for unauthorized.tv (which totally would work for you btw). Cheers!
You know I have interviewed her twice for my channel.
"We need to talk about cannibal babies and how they relate to the resurrection"
Add that to the list of sentences I never expected to hear.
Cannibalism was one of the first accusations against Christians during the first century.
WOAH HARDCORE CANNIBALISM CONCEPT INVERSION
Looking at the thumbnail: "Man I really hope that isnt what I think it is..."
*edit: (after watching) damn, Paguea went DEEP on this one...mindblown as usual, and multiple rewatchings required... Definitely appreciate the "food" for thought heh heh heh
A few months ago, my girlfriend was taking a Political Philosophy course at a public uni and the very first day of class they went through some of the most disturbing thought experiments possible (incest, necrophilia, cannibalism, bestiality, and combinations of the bunch) meant effectively to break down their system of morality in order that the instructor could build it up in his own image (at least that's my interpretation). She thought it was gross, dropped the course, and didn't think much more of it than being ridiculous, but when we were talking about it, I was trying to explain philosophically why it was wrong but had difficulty nailing the language down completely. This language of the fractured ontological hierarchy is INCREDIBLY helpful for these kinds of things, so thank you!!!
It's a strange world when people need to virtue-signal by letting everyone know they're not a cannibal.
what's stranger is virtue signalling that you _are_ a homosexual
This gets at something fundamental to our time: society requires an other, while simultaneously deeming it morally unacceptable. So the other becomes "he who labels anyone an other"
of course there's no rational reason why this new other is morally acceptable. It's disguised behind a shallow word game. The old, "I'm tolerant of everything except intolerance".
I don't get the anxiety over not having your original atoms or whatever in the afterlife. I think it's based in a mostly pathological aspect of materialism. You aren't your atoms, even though it is vital that you are manifest in your atoms.
I've never heard anyone else connect identity with technology. The idea, if I understand you correctly, is that as we move from the center of identity by adopting and using more technology, we move away from identity. Is this why so many people change their name/adopt a public persona?
Kudos to you for tackling such a topic, very well done!
Yes "well done", my way of proclaiming appreciation for how he approached the subject.
Self loving? Funny think i was hearing from homosexuals that they usually fall in love with people that have a lot of similarities with them.
I think that is most who work in secular “religious” studies and medieval studies. Just a guess though.
One wonders how did they manage to skip the hermeneutics.
Going by what happened to Rachel Fulton Brown, I'd say that would be more than just a guess.
I think this is one place where modern science offers a solution because now we know that every 5-7 years all the atoms in the body are replaced so it can easily be said that if not having all the atoms in your body you had as a baby isn't an issue for the resurrection this wouldn't be either.
Man, this is what really gets me about SJW shit
I don't really care about your personal politics or how violently you defend them or how dumb your political rhetoric is. It's not like politics has ever been reasonable.
But how we're colonizing the apolitical for the petty reason of politics --- that grinds my gears
where once we studied texts for the love of knowledge, culture, and art, now we troll through them looking for buzzfeed headlines that can be taken out of context to leverage our politics
resolving these, in the grand scheme of things, utterly petty political disputes is costing us centuries of cultural heritage that our ancestors dedicated their lives to, that they died for
it really is Dostoevsky's prediction than once man has it perfect, the first thing he'll do is toss his toys out the pram
How can you be a progressive medievalist haha!
Wow that was really interesting tbh😂
Saint Thomas Aquinas pray for us🙏
Before any new hype thing comes up to become a huge part of our culture like the internet, we really need more Pageaus in the world.
So, according this argument sometimes influx of outsiders (migrants and refugees) can be healthy to a civilization with a homogeneous population. Like Normans into French and English civs.
But then the next obvious question is what are the conditions when influx of outside elements into original can be healthy??
The difference between drinking a glass of water and drowning.
Or flooding
Thank you. Great reply. Something which I won't ever forget.
I watched this video not because it seemed edgy, but because I knew there was some profound insight that would come from it, and you did not disappoint. Thank you for all you do.
Wtf? Man I hope this isn’t clickbait lol
What is this thumbnail I don't even...
I am not nearly as worried about cannibal babies as I am about baby cannibals. That would be a really scary topic, although when I was nursing my babies I sometimes thought they were going there. LOL. Great job as usual Jonathan.
Don’t watch while eating.
Anyone who describes himself as a queer, he’s only talking bad about others to take some of the heat off himself. They have hard lives from infancy until the day they die. At least.
Very insightful. Basically if we dont get our hierarchy framework established we could more easily be influenced by modernist misinterpretations that seem focused on inverting foundational knowledge that orients us properly
You are a genius. Thank you for your insightful interpretation.
As Eucharist in a very strict manner incorporates cannibalistic aspect with productive eating, isn't that the same pattern with the conception of Jesus? He was conceived in a way that is impossible in a normal productive relationship, as Mary was virgin. So it is another causal loop which makes way to resurrection by the divine element in it.
I immediately thought of John 6 where Jesus feeds a multitude, but then tells them later that He is the bread of Heaven. That got them all disgusted much as this blogger is disgusted. Thanks Jonathan
What was their understanding of matter? From your few quotes it seemed like they assumed that everything ever eaten or spent made up the totality of the body. But it also seems like they thought matter was finite.
Hi Jonathan , I love your heart for Christ and the Christian faith. I really enjoy your take on these fringe topics too!!
Cannibalism was a very real thing in the ancient and medieval world. Primary accounts of siege warfare, during which the besieging army would cut off food sources, describe mothers eating their own children. It is quite disturbing, and it was to those men of yore as well. And, of course, this specific example speaks very well to your symbolic description. Cut off from the world, the denizens of the city have no choice but to eat their own, ending in the ultimate self-destruction.
If cannibalism is the self consuming oroboros, then the food chain is the proper hierarchy of sustenance
God has given me visions this is a serious issue and the lord is not pleased with this cabanabal
We are in a universe which eats itself.
Press replay - must understand this properly!
When I saw the title I thought that you were going to talk about why Christs body in the altar is depicted as a Emanuel(child) and how that is associated with Christians eating baby Jesus during Eucharist.
Like I said, the symbolism of cannibalism is present in the Eucharist.
Mind blown.
Jonathan you need to do John Wick chapter 2 analysis. There is some wierd and creepy stuff in there.
obviously, eating cattle does not make man cattle, or let cattle run out of body. personally, i do not have to "go out of identity" to get food from some store. actually, my identity is what makes the grocery list, not the other way around. lastly, a father can be the father of his daughter's grandchild without having to become her husband.
In my days I've noticed that people who love beef can be quite bullish, people who love pork are pigs, and chicken eaters run away from everything. And taking a look around shows me we definitely are cattle. The human mind is easily controllable. Just like cattle.
Plus... Where did you get the energy from to write your grocery list? From the food. How did you know you wanted to eat that food? Because the food told you by pleasing your taste buds and nourishing your body, while you were in infancy, long before you even realised you had a back to your head, let alone an identity.
I'm pretty sure identity comes after these things not before.
@David Chorak I've seen plenty of cunts and dicks in my time too
The notion of preservation via consumption in a limited cosmos has sparked an idea for a future topic of discussion:
'ould you record an episode on the duality of Satan (i.e. Shaitan spelled with Nun as 50 vs Nun in Final as 700)?
Please explain your take on how andor why Jesus calls down Peter and tells him, "Get thee behind me, Satan," then turns around at the Last Supper, as recorded in the Gospel of John, and chooses Judas to "deliver" him by literally sending Satan into Judas via the wine-sop alongside an affirmation that he who accepts whom Jesus sends, accepts Jesus himself and through Jesus, [God]--with pointed implication that Jesus intended the world to be delivered an acceptance of [God] via Jesus via Satan (via Judas).
It's quite tickling to note that the final crime of Jesus, the one that indeed (at least chronologically) led to his death was not ignoring the Sabbath nor Blaspheming nor Cleansing the Temple of the moneychangers, but rather the crime of delivering himself as the Final Sacrifice and thereby offering his flesh and blood for eternal consumption, symbolically as bread and wine, in order to expose and overwrite the extant (and possibly pervasive) practice of ritual sacrifice and cannibalism as no longer necessary or required in any way, for any reason, moving forward into the new Age(s) andor Month(s) of The Great Year.
Apparently, Babble-on as one may, one must never offer an infinite, open-system conception of [God] andor the cosmos (sorry Tesla), and there are certain "rites" andor "rituals" that must never be called into question.
Google Image search the following, in order:
- Gadsden Flag
- Pwease No Steppy
- Owobowos
Symbols of the times. You’re welcome.
Everything was made in the 6 days
Rofl at this title. Buckling up haha
i wonder if this is going to provoke some reaction tweets
I think not. Going by that guy's extant tweets, he doesn't seem to be into debating his positions.
Cave of Treasures: The apocrypha so nice, he bookmarked it twice.
First viewer esketit
7:18 **pauses** Two people are in the same room. They breath the same air. How many Catholic theologicans will it take backward calculate the alchemy involved? What of those theologians then share a human baby for brunch? What then?? **drops mike**
The assumption that we are flesh and matter is false. We are spirit and soul. Flesh is for the fire.
We're both, and we're the meeting place of both. God made man by breathing spirit into matter.
Spirit and Matter
Breath and Flesh
Mind and Body
Heaven and Earth.
I may be wrong, but I think your assertion is a key component in the Gnostic heresy.
What's the matter with spirit?
Nothing. Nothing at all
I'll be here all week
Quick question sir, just to check my own learning curve, would you consider Milo Y. to be a kind of St. Christopher archetype? Particularly considering his open catholic affinities.
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You may not have noticed but 'thumbs down' have not worked on comments on TH-cam for years now.
@@Alorand I actually meant thumbs up or down in emoji form... 👍
@@Hitlerbaddaringood ahh... I see. Interesting workaround.
@@Alorand They work, it is just that their numbers are hidden from users. This is why, say, a comment with 10+ upvotes may be placed way below one with 2-3. It means that former received a number of downvotes too, it is just that we can't see them as we once could.
While watching I thought of the Eastern Romans integrating aspects of their own periphery - the Sasanian Empire - into their architectural and aesthetic forms. The Hagia Sophia looks more Persian than Roman, for instance. Obviously this reflects the pattern of going outside the body to integrate new material. But I'm wondering if, given their apparent consciousness of this pattern, they did this consciously and deliberately to reinvigorate their polity? Was it a meta move, so to speak?
Also reminded of Jordan Peterson's emphasis on voluntarism when it comes to venturing out to the periphery and confronting chaos. If something good is going to come of it, the person has to *choose* to go out and voluntarily confront as much as they can tolerate...but if they're forced into that position, the outcomes tend to be negative.
Maybe that's the difference between the Byzantines voluntarily integrating certain cultural practices from the outside and Germany's leaders forcing their people to accept millions of outsiders...one extended the lifespan of the society by a thousand years, the other may well fracture it. Probably applies to voluntarism in leaving the family to find a spouse, or leaving your shelter to produce value in nature...the pattern scales.