Starship Lore : Prometheus Class - A ship for War
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The Prometheus-class was a highly classified Federation starship designed for deep-space tactical assignments. It was one of the most advanced Starfleet vessels in operation during the later half of the 24th century.
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I think I just realized something about the ship. All three sections are warp capable separated... or are they? There only one deflector array, which is necessary to keep dust and small particles fouling the warp field. So it makes little sense to give each section the ability to create their own field.
That's a really good point that I didn't consider.. Which it has broad implications. Let's assume the other two sections have no deflector array. That would mean during a Multivector attack.. The deflector array would also have to extend.. and as we see in the battle..extend to also protect the attacked ship.. That's really really intriguing.. good call out.
Can we be certain they didn't have deflectors? They could just have simpler non-dish type deflectors like the Miranda.
Plus I can't help but notice the upper and mid separations (the alpha and beta units?) Have a series of small square slits on their upper nose, I might be wrong and they serve another purpose... but is it possible they could be the deflector units?
I think the idea is that it could multi-vector at warp. The main module creates a the deflector field and there Attack maneuvers revolve around expanding the warp bubble between the three ships with power from their nacelles.
I wouldn't say that the lack of a giant blue or radar dish shaped belly button deflector array would prevent either of the other two section of the Prometheus from maintaining warp velocities. There are plenty of other ship designs throughout Star Trek that do not feature a big deflector array (most shuttles/small craft, just about any Klingon ship, a handful of larger Federation ships, etc). However, the lack of a large deflector array on the other two sections may give credit to the notion that not all 3 sections are capable of sustaining maximum or cruising warp speeds without the 3rd section's deflector array since whatever secondary arrays that exist may not be as effective at maintaining their warp fields while separated.
That all said, the Prometheus design is definitely one of my favorites and I was secretly hoping that the Voyager crew would find some way to take advantage of the super long range transporter/transmission situation that landed the Doctor there in the first place. Cruising the rest of the way home to Earth in a ship armed to the teeth and subsystems in triplicate would definitely made for some interesting adventures on the final leg of the trip.
Multi-Vector could be more useful in sub-light combat, it gives the enemy three small targets to shoot at instead of one big one
Star Fleet Captians: "in most engagements we're our ships are out numbered 3 to 1, maybe we shouldn't send our ship out alone."
Star Fleet ship design, "What if our single ships can become several ships?"
The Prometheus really shows what the Federation is capable of when they actually decide to build a warship.
I love the Prometheus, not only for the multi vector mode but for the holographic emitters on every deck. Why is that awesome? Imagine an epic space battle with the borg or dominion or whoever. Lots of explosions. Special effects. Dramatic music. Suddenly there's an alarm on the bridge. It's the intruder alert. There's a squad of pissed off Jemhadar tearing sh*t up. Looks like everyone's doomed, and then the ship deploys a few hundred holographic MACO's or holographic red shirts or ninjas. What other ship could even attempt this?
And if you really wanted to mess with the enemy you could turn all your holo-troops transparent, and suddenly there's a hundred invisible phasers chasing the Jemhadar out the door. Thank you for reading this far. Have a great night
There are allways 250 Ninjas on board the Prometheus... but you can´t see them because they are Ninjas XD
Boarding parties are much more common in the Kelvin timeline, are they a big thing in the prime timeline nowadays? Or do ships tend to get destroyed rather than boarded?
Also EMH's are resource intensive for the computer. If all you need is to repel boarders, phaser emplacements or stun emitters along every deck is easier and probably more effective.
i like the idea. turn of "safety measures" and kill them with bullets made of light
You are EVIL hahahaha, I like it lol
But no, the holograms all have the personality of Andy Dick.
“Where did the Prometheus go?”
“It had to...”
(Puts on sunglasses)
“...split.”
YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!
"Uh, actually, sir! Sensors indicate that the... uh... the Romulans stole her..."
"They, they... stole her?"
(bridge ambience)
"Yeah."
"Please Specify Target..."
"...ROMULANS!!!"
That's a little bit Racist, but also funny, so i let it slip.
I see what you did there!
Get out!!!
Let's build the ultimate multi vector warship costing the equivalent of 3 or 4 and then forget to put theft deterrence on it.
+Rob Okray Never gonna get stolen..ever!
(Default passwd: "Password") 😧
"Well, we can change it later! No rush." 😬
It got LoJack. That was how Starfleet found Prometheus when the Romulans stole it.
In an alternate universe, the theft deterrent was soo good that the Romulans got away!
It was planned but the budget ran out. Something had to be cut!
Can we all just admit they did not fully think this ship out and created it as a throw away for one episode.
matthew greenwood admit to nothing! 'Cept ... buttons!
Common sense has no place on this channel lol
It was a great design....too great. I think once it aired and viewers saw it rip apart the Warbird, the Nebula and whatever else, the producers realized they created too much ship. A couple of these things would have ended the Dominion War and wiped out the Borg. The show execs had to do something to get rid of it or something bc the entire franchise would have come to a screeching halt. No enemies to fight means no drama, no drama no ratings, end of Trek.
Feels like one of those project "Hey! We got all these budget because of dominion threats, let's throw all our idea onto a prototype and see what happens."
@@deniseherud By all reasoning the Prometheus would've been ungodly expensive even for the Federation to churn out in any large quantity, and if they did that their opponents could, like the Dominion did, just build overwhelming numbers of small throwaway ships. Basically the Prometheus was designed to be a bigger, nastier Defiant able to take out things like Dominion dreadnoughts and stand up to Borg cubes for more than 10 seconds.
The Prometheus is what happens when a Galaxy and Akira have a baby together. I love that ship. That's what Voyager should have been like!
The shields woud always be cardboard though because drama phaser fire is so strong
"Please Specify Target..."
"...ROMULANS!!!"
That's a little bit Racist, but also funny, so i let it slip.
@@zuzoscorner The prometheus shields were the strongest we have ever seen, the warbirds and nebula didn't seem to have cause any damage at all to the vessel.
@@DavidKnowles0 Hmm, cool. Maybe Federation finally invented circit breakers. XD
The Prometheus class is clearly a response to the heavy casualties Star Fleet was taking in the Dominion war. Holo Emitters on every deck and completely automated combat systems make it clear the vessel could be operated by a crew of minimal size with minimal training. It's multi vector attack system seems ideal for confounding dominion fighter tactics. In the event of a hostile boarding holographic troops could be generated to defend the ship, and holographic engineers could even be used to repair damage. I wouldn't be surprised if the design was sidelined after the Dominion war because it's use would have meant putting too much power in the hands of too few officers.
We've already seen holographic engineers in Voyager, namely when the Holograms the Hirogen created went rogue and the "rescued" three from a ship only to find they weren't sentient but were designed to fix the ship and nothing more.
So it's not hard to believe that Starfleet would do the same since most holograms on the holodeck aren't sentient either.
Also it would make alot of sense in a battle situation to have them aswell as holographic Security.
not to mention the vast amount of computer storage needed for the basic military operations with out the holographic soldiers
I disagree, I believe the Prometheus was designed to fight the Borg. The Defiant class ship was a response to the first Borg attack on Earth. After the second attack on Earth by just one Borg cube again, Starfleet would have freaked out again and the only tactic against the Borg in Star Trek history that actually went to plan was when the Enterprise D split up and they used a shuttle craft to retrieve Captain Picard. I believe that was the purpose of developing the Prometheus, a ship that can break up into three to distract the Borg to try and deliver a fatal blow. The Jem'hadar usually fly in packs and they have kamikazed Starfleet and Klingon ships a like. As soon as the Jem'hadar see the Prometheus give them problems they would just kamikazey the shit out of the Prometheus and it would not be a cheap ship for Starfleet to replace, that's why its classified and only four offices trained to use it.
"Please Specify Target..."
"...ROMULANS!!!"
That's a little bit Racist, but also funny, so i let it slip.
Actually, the Prometheus class would be one of the longest lived classes in starfleet history, as we see Prometheus class ships during the battle with the sphere builders when Daniels takes archer to the enterprise j. And I know, that’s cost cutting by reusing old models, but it’s on screen so it’s canon god damn it.
From a design standpoint this is the ship I do absolutely love the most wholeheartedly. The fact that it's really slim and streamlined compared to other vessels makes it very elegant and makes it look very agile (which it is).
You know you got Starfleets attention when they send Defiants after you. good one. Defiant Class is my favorite.
Tough little ship.
Where's my Akira-class love?
I love the Prometheus class! I remember me and my Uncle watched this episode and the ship separation blew our minds!
You can tell Starfleet took what they learned from their mistakes from those first batch of anti-Borg designed warships and applied those lessons into this (a term I am reluctant to use because it is Starfleet) "battleship". She has thick skin with 3 types of armour and regenerative shielding. She's got bite with her weapon systems plus the multi-vector assault mode. And though she may be a resource hog, one of Starfleet's biggest shortcomings during the Dominion War was their loss of manpower. I recall from In Pale Moonlight, Vreenak mentioned a few points when weighing in who to choose to support and said something about shortage of manpower vs fresh clones. You also see young Starfleet kids that look straight out of the academy in Seige of AR558 near the end. Ships might be expendable but the people they lost would have been their Achilles heel if not for the new warship designs that required less crew.
I think the Prometheus looks cooler in default mode. In multi-vector mode it just looks silly.
From a practical standpoint it is also extremely inefficient. You would need more hulls inbetween the sections, more armor, more engines, and more warp cores. It is far more effective to just make three stand alone vessels that are controlled by a primary ship using the automation program. One large powerful ship is also more effective. Splitting it like this is just silly from any angle. It is to be expected in Star Trek though; nearly all of the ship designs are insane from an engineering perspective.
I agree. The multi vector mode looks like waste of resources. I think if they really wanted to go with something they should have make it like, the bridge can disconnect go in cloak, and the ship itself would be controlled remotely. So that way energy from life support could go to shields of weapons, hull damage wouldn't be as big of a problem etc.
I know federation had some regulation against using cloaks, but still.
If Star Trek had any warlike sense then they would have exoskeletons lining the walls that people can jump into on red alert. It would keep people alive during hull breaches, reduce energy demands, and protect crew from boarding parties, provide tactical displays with voice commands if their station is destroyed, and more.
Bill S, might as well have the crews injected with Starfleet nanoprobes that can repair all their organs when damaged, share info with the whole crew... oh right.. that's the borg.
or was it the Breen that also had cybernetic/exosuits...
well star trek wanted to keep each side uinque... and war sense sometimes doesnt go with aesthetics or some honor system.
You can keep sides unique until it becomes silliness.
I think they should have kept technologies unique for certain species. Like in enterprise using transporters for living things was a big deal. Then we saw klingons use it regularely... It would have make sense in enterprise humans can use transporters for living organism because of the superior denobulan medicine and understanding of biology, while the war like klingons had better hulls, shields and photon torpedos from the beginning.
Or other example could be the borg: acces to transwarp network which is pretty much unique to them for hundreds of years.
And for a certain degree Star Trek has it (like breen energy leeching), but not with the main races and factions. It makes the balance of power shift episode by episode to serve the narrative which is sometimes really annoying.
I love how the creative Trek minds at Paramount created warships for Starfleet as soon as Roddenberry died. Gene definitely would have vetoed the idea. Ironic since Gene piloted B-24 Liberators on combat missions in the Pacific Theater of World War II. The Defiant Class had its shotcomings, but its firepower was awesome.
i love how Star Trek has designations that have a lot of thought invested into the names of things (nouns and verbs). like, i imagine that the Prometheus is a play on bringing fire to man; in this case it would be the power that man would need to properly defend the Federation. so many designations in this series are very clever and detailed.
USS Prometheus has been one of my all time favorites since it first appeared. I had hoped we would see more of it. Once Voyager ended, and the TNG movie series ended without including any significant appearances of Prometheus, those hopes became more remote. However, the ship is the primary setting of an entire episode of Voyager, which is uncommon for a ship that isn't a "hero ship".
In Voyager: "Message in a Bottle", we get lots of visuals and dialogue describing and illustrating what kind of ship Prometheus is and what it can do.
By comparison, Prometheus gets more screen time in that one episode than the USS Excelsior gets in the entire TOS movie series.
Enjoyed this video, thanks for giving USS Prometheus some love!
Looking back at the battle, it is still pretty boss for the Akira to tank 3 Romulan ships by itself while the Defiants handle the Prometheus.
I think the Prometheus was exactly what both Starfleet and the Federation council wanted. Starfleet wanted warships to fight the Dominion while the Council didnt approve of warships. Starfleet needed to convince the Council that Prometheus would have a use in peacetime. So equipping it with a warpdrive capable of warp 9,995 would show the council that it would have great use in exploring deep space while capable of defending itself. I think that also expalin why we see so few of the class after the Dominion War, they are out in deep space exploring.
Worrying about peacetime when you are in an existential war shows arrogance of a sort only the insane could muster
@@seamusoblainn4603 Agreed. That's like being in a fight for your life, and worrying about messing up your clothes. If you lose, you die. Literally nothing else matters at that point.
When I first saw that episode, I thought that the ship was such a fanboy type of ship, but now, that ship was the perfect ship for an at war Starfleet.
The best Star Trek ship never explored. Thanks for posting this.
Borg + Dominion *attacks*
Federation designing warships that can now obliterate both:
"almost lost my cool there"
I never understood Starfleet's weakness for "multi-vector" ships. Just build a dedicated carrier!
Then I present to you the Typhon class.
Take the warp engines out of the Defiant class and strap a load of them to the belly of a big, fast ship.
Well, the thing is. Most Star Trek combat is on a large scale. Meaning capitol ship verse capitol ship. Smaller ships aren't really seen and not saying they didn't exist. Just that smaller ships were useless against these large scales wars. A carrier would be impractical. As they would be the weak point in the fleet. Even if you put point-defense beam arrays. Though you would have to basically gut any idea of using this ship for anything but as a support role. Which is not beyond anything within Starfleet.
Still, the Prometheus was a very effective ship. This Multi-Vector system is something Starfleet likes. As they want as much firepower within one ship they can bring to the battle. To overwhelm and cause their enemies to rethink their choices on messing with Starfleet. Though a Carrier would do the same. It just doesn't have the same impact.
This is coming from a guy who loves his Jupiter Class Starship *Hugs a console*. So don't think I don't like the idea of Carrier base ships. Just that I see the limits in the idea of trying to launch out Fighter Shuttle Crafts against a Capitol Ship. Sure they may be effective for a short time. Yet the loses would be rather high. Starfleet hates dealing with High-Cost values. Either lives or building ships. Both are hard to keep on hand. As Replicators still need something raw to make something from it.
If capital vs capital ship is the primary form of warfare then smaller faster ships become even more effective as they are able to outmaneuver the larger ships. But lets just say they can't because the beams track to well and smaller weapons are too ineffective. Then dreadnought ships with a massive fuck off cannon and dedicated swarm launch torpedo vessels would be the way to go. You win wars with decidedly unfair advantages, whether that is numbers, firepower, or mobility. Clearly Star Trek isn't into the numbers game and we already ruled out mobility.
The Akira-class is just one of the few carriers Starfleet has to offer but it is also a torpedo gunboat. The idea of the Prometheus-class is to literally "gang up" on an enemy ship while use pre-programmed manuevers to overwhelm said enemy ship. This is great for overloading the shield emitters and disrupt the enemy from fighting back.
However, I don't think the multi-vector assault mode is any useful in attacking a Borg vessel given finesse isn't what's necessary in that battle. But against a Dominion ship? It's perfect for that kind of enemy. This is also useful when a Prometheus-class cruiser faces off a Romulan warbird or even a Negh'Var.
Just found your channel yesterday. As one who cut my teeth on the original series as it was released, I have to say that I approve!
First off , let me say , this episode was very enjoyable. Great work 🖖The ships in the end did get mass produced. On Enterprise the series when Archer is shown a future war we do see a Prometheus class ship wizzing by the porthole of the future Enterprise.
Also , in this series we see the Columbia and the Enterprise sharing a warp field to allow the Enterprise to disable the computer virus the Klingon augments downloaded on the Enterprise. Since they where both 2 separate ships pre Federation that managed this , it’s safe to assume that by the 24th century they perfected this concept in the Prometheus class .
I've loved this ship since the Voyager episode message in a bottle.My life was complete after using it for years on STO
Raoul Duke that beautiful imagery makes my cats eye sting with every breath you take ... Fayde out effect to a sandy beach of legal alien on planet Dune (not that is the name of the planet I just don't know how to spell that) ((or be cool))
Same. I have only purchased one ship in all the time I played STO. And that ship was my first prommy way back when it was new and people were wondering if it needed to be nurfed because of it's, potentially, insane DPS.
Heh..those were the days.
ShinJudo before the Prometheus was nerfed l, there wasn't many missions or operations that posed to great of a challenge especially once you activated MVAM.
Afterwards it was criminal how easy you could be defeated, especially when facing the Cardassian Keldon Class which itself should have been nerfed as they were stupidly OP and attacked in packs.
Sadly prometheus, defiant, akira from the sto cash shop is pretty weak 😂 you just want their unique item.
Maybe the fleet variant is good but need to much of a grind to get them.
Ahh sto I miss those days 😍 each time I rewatch star trek I want to play it again 😊
I played with my Prometheus Class, I fondly named Trinity, for a couple of years. Then I finally decided to try a new ship...then I find the Hestia class in the Zen store. Now I run a more beefy bigger Sister to the Prometheus.
It's a great design, so great it should have it's own spin off show.
+BadwolfGamer #winning
And the show would revolve mostly around the wacky adventures they got thanks to the technical glitches its "great design" causes. I mean they have been using transporters for who knows how long and yet stupid shit always happens. Can't wait to see how many warp core breaches happen because some part got misaligned during separation, or how some minor battle damage makes the ship go boom when in rejoins.
@randy s - Did you just use the argument that 3 separate warp cores would cause it to be less likely to blow up? Yeah, sure, why not. It can totally survive a friggin antimatter explosion and run on the remaining warp cores. I am sorry, but this is about as stupid as saying carrying 3 separate containers of nitroglycerin is safer as having one.
@randy s - And that needs extra engineering solutions, more space being used, an ejection port for each warpcore that cannot be placed where the ship is joining, so 3 entires to the warp cores on the outer hull even when in one. In what is essentially a ship that splits into 3, this would be a friggin nigtmare to design.
Look, the whole "split into 3" concept is just plain retarded. Want 3 smaller ships attacking? The just use 3 smaller ships! Instead of the designers and engineering having to jump trough hoops for a concept that provides no benefit whatsoever. This is either essentially just 3 ships hanging on eachother for no reason like you make it sound to be, or its one ships that splits, in which case all the things i mentioned will be issues.
It should have been three shows. You know, because of all the time where the multi-vector mode is totally, definitely used. Which is definitely always, for sure.
Great episode of Voyager, with a very exciting ship
I absolutely loved the Prometheus. The episode of voyager was pretty good but the design and attention given to the ship was phenomenal in my opinion. Good video on it. I just wish there was more on it than just one episode
It was my favorite ship the moment i saw it. Wish they had done more with it.
With a phased cloaking device this ship would be practically unstoppable.
With one large warp core powering the ship they probably could have used the saucer's warp core to power an phased cloaking device
Now put the Voyager from the last two episodes of its run, put THAT armour, shields and transphasic torpedoes on top of multi-vector assault mode from the Prometheus and now you have the "ARNIE of STARSHIPS!"
Glad to see your channel grow lad!
Loved the design. Loved the interiors. Nice, easy to see. Didn't look awkward or clumsy.
In before the comment - "BUT LORE RELOADED THE PICTURE HAS DIFFERENT STATS" - Yes, I couldn't find some of the canon behind the stats used on the video - but I really like the creators work and wanted to give him a semi shout out and it fit nicely..
I remember this ship from Voyager, wish the writers back then wrote more stories about Starfleet warships and incorporate them in the general timeline, like more Federation warships in DS9, which imo is the best Trek series (story wise)... fingers crossed for Discovery, but it seems so un-Trek up to now, not that I don't like it, just different feel ....
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Remember warp works like a bubble around the ship so Hypothetically if they could all stay in the field. The ship could break apart in warp. After that though the parts do need to make their own warp fields to move away from the main section.
wouldn't that make 3 separate ships that could stick together turning them into 1 big?
Bobbius Shadow Form like Voltron.
BUT LORE RELOADED THE PICTURE HAS DIFFERENT STATS /s
Outside of the hero ships, this is my favorite. She could easily overtake my current favorite hero ship, defiant, if CBS would make a series involving her as the hero. Perhaps show her adventures after this point, her involvement in the Dominion War, and then move from there.
I absolutely loved your video on the Prometheus
She's basically a three-in-one goodie bag for the Dominion and the Borg to deal with, and I love her.
I just noticed the mid section kinda looks like a rhode Island class. Still one of my favorite ships ever
Nexus you mean a nova class right? The USS Rhode island was a nova class
Ive always hated these separating ship designs. With the Galaxy Class it at least had the excuse that detaching the saucer was to allow the civilians to stay clear of fights (of course they most likely cripple their fighting capability doing so, and any threat requiring such a separation could likely catch up to the non warp capable saucer after dealing with the attack hull.
The Prometheus doesn't really get a pass through. I don't see what advantage such a vessel could have that you wouldn't get from having 3 similar sized vessels to the split portions, which mind you wouldn't be bogged down by the separation process or any sacrifices such a design would have on the ship being capable of such function.
Thank you for your information I do like the Prometheus ship and knew very little about it
Hands down this is my favorite ship! Would have liked to have seen more episodes with it. Perhaps Data & the two EMH's piloting it on an errand of mercy mission or something like that!
People say that ships like these are very powerful or even 'overpowered', but they only have torpoedos and phasers...why not jamming, subspace distortion weapons (the Xindi wars), temporaral phasing bombs, energy dampening systems (the Breen), dimensional displacement, holographic decoys, wormhole openers etc. Star Trek battles are like 18th century sailing ship battles with guns (phasers) and cannons (torpedoes). Everything needs to be seen by the crew, then relayed to the captain, then relayed back, then acted upon. This is crazy. Voyager had an alien species where it was mentioned the crew had holographic versions of themselves that worked with the ship's AI during battles millions of times quicker than the biological crews and could run many possibilities at once.
TNG is from late 1980s and most of it was made in 1990s ... so it corresponds with the Sci-Fi of that time ... nowadays watching TNG Star Trek some 30 years later, its like watching TOS in 1990s ... same difference :)
Problem is that the new Star Trek brought nothing new ... it remained the same but got more fancy, shiny, polished look ...
3:20 There's a perfectly good canon explanation to how one warp field can separate so seamlessly into three and then merge back into one. There are many ways to phrase the mechanic, but it uses a tool usually referred to as the Plot Convenience module.
It could make a massive warp bubble. Like how in Enterprise they had that episode where Columbia was able to put the Enterprise in their warp bubble so that they could reboot their systems without leaving warp and exploding due to a booby trap.
I'm fairly certain part of the warp mechanic was that to engage in warp-speed battle, the 'warp fields' had to be merged... Photon Torpedoes seemed to be able to maintain their own warp field, (subspace bubble) but for phasers, you needed to merge the fields to engage in ship-to-ship combat or transport (until Scotty and starfleet engineers figured out the 'transwarp beaming' technology).
So, during seperation, the three sets of Nacelles maintained their merged subspace bubble, and kept it synchronised while engaging a hostile vessel at warp speeds, however, should they need to scatter, the fields would be able to 'desync' and part ways without reducing their speed.
I would be surprised if they DID all have the same warp speed, but it would still be considerable.
I wouldn't expect that to be part of it's usual operational plan for long-duration seperation... especially with only one part having a sickbay.
Retrospectively, it does seem like all three parts were in the same warp "tunnel". But now I wonder which sub-unit is creating the field for all of them, in that case.
Any ship that is towing another at warp is sharing a warp bubble. They just match the field so they blend and slip apart. the reverse of what the NX-01 & NX-02 did once. The bubble isn't usual a barrier *unless it's needed to be* such as on Discovery. (But that is Discovery and it's science is even wonkier than Voyagers was)
Oh yes! My favorite class starship been waiting for this!
Definitely one of my fave 5 episodes right there.
The most effective warship design is a swarm of unmanned spheres capable of accelerating in any direction at hundreds of G's. Anything else is nothing but a huge, slow coffin that hasn't been destroyed yet.
and then you wipe them all via area attack weapon with little effort because each sphere would be small and thus less capable to withstand damage - remember the Dreadnought wave weapon from voyager ? aka plasma wave ? One shot of that and all these spheres are out of commision or a decent chunk of them to the very least. for eg that was what happened to aliens trying to attack it - they were wiped out with little effort beacuase their ships were numerous but small and thus more vulnerable (and they were worst tech).
Another awesome vid bro. Always loved this ship most likely the best warship the federation has. wud have been cool seen it more
I LOVE that ship. It is soooooo cool. I wanted to see more of that ship.
Would have been great to have seen more of this ship, not sure if it would have made a good hero ship as it's very over powered but in something like a defiant role on ds9 could have been interesting.
+Daniel Mays Power creep would be a huge issue..agreed..
I loved to see a whole show built on the aftermath of the Dominion war and the societal change the Federation had to undergo. The Utopia of only embarking for peace just holds so long till the first invader shows up.
Starfleet needs warships and the politics around this fact are very interesting.
I feel like there was so much potential in Voyagers Starfleet ship design, but they had to go to the delta quadrant and now we won't have any new post Voyager ships apart from that MMO... I do hope CBS gives us a real post Voyager show sometime, cause I'd hate to see more prequels.
+The_Jake It would be fun
The_Jake. With Discovery being a success in broad terms I think we will see another show soon. For the flack its gotten DSC is doing exactly what a new trek had to do, its gotten attention from non fan base viewers and shown the franchise can work financially again.
I personally like DSC just fine, but I dont see the premise lasting beyond 2-3 seasons let alone the semi stamdard 7 seasons. With the property warming up again CBS would be foolish not to capitalize on it.
...and more variations of Klingons. Seriously quit changing the Klingons!
DrewLSsix Discovery is a success? That's different news to me. I disliked it and so did many fans. But I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Howard Gleason. Yes, record subscriptions, greenlit 2nd season. Lots of new fans engaging. Thats a success.
Its not perfect, I dont like all access, and theres plenty I would do different. But I look forward to each episode, thats more than i can say for Enterprise.
This is 100% without question my favorite ship in Star Trek. I love everything about it, including the interior design. I forked over the money to get it's big sister the Hestia T6 in Star Trek Online, and she was worth every penny.
Love it. Its my main ship in Star trek online
Would love to see that ship up against a scimitar. An actual battle between ships designed to fight, helmed by crews trained for space combat.
As long as the first officer doesn't try to mind rape the ship's counselor, the Scimitar would probably win...*cringe*
I fly a MU themed T6 Fleet Prometheus complete with yellow Terran skin on STO, you'll like the Hestia, it's a beautiful evolution of the design. Looks great in the MU skin
My baby in STO is my T6 Fleet Prommy, the Unspoken Truth. Truly a beautiful ship.
U.S.S./I.S.S. Wolfe is the name of my T6 Fleet Hestia
The Hestia is a perfect evolution of the Prometheus in all aspects.
Credit to the games designers for taking a already awesome ship and turning it upto 11.
Loved the interior.
Love it so much I used a Section 31 variant for my fan fiction
Sad that we don't get much more on this ship. I wish they would make this a hero ship for a new series or something. Anyone ells wish this?
this or the akira would be cool
There was a recent paperback book released that features the Prometheus. Called "Fire with Fire."
I tried to locate that one but i could only find references to it in i think what was Russian.
Strange. I saw it just recently at Barnes and Noble.
No.
3:14 the Enterprise and the Columbia managed to do it in Divergence, I don't see how it's a problem for Prometheus.
The Prometheus was one of my favorite ships the moment I saw it. There needs to be a series with this ship or a variant of it at its center. with some modifications it could have great potential. Especially when the holoemitters on every deck can turn the entire ship into a holodeck and have some interesting situations when someone tries to board them
You'd have some power creep to deal with (it's a little powerful ) but I think it would be interesting
I want Eaglemoss to include this in their XL series one day!
Aside from all the impractical aspects of the Prometheus, building one would be time consuming and resource intensive. I figure they could build two Akiras plus one or two Defiant class ships for the cost of a Prometheus, and maybe even three Akiras and a Defiant. What would you rather have? In a war where every ship matters the Prometheus seems to me a tough sell.
That's why I believe it was classified and only four officers trained to use it. It was meant to be a one time only production and think it had more to do with the response to the second Borg attack in "First Contact" and than it had do with the Dominion Wars. It was designed to fight in a Borg battle not a war.
Two words. 1- Replicator. 2- Shipyards. Starfleet retired Rosie the Robot Riveter back in 2209.157 or something like that.
In Star Trek, you don't need to know how to operate anything. All you have to do is "Computer, do x"
Why Star Fleet even uses manned ships is a mystery to me. Cardassians had that unmanned warp-capable "torpedo" in one Voyager episode, right? THAT was the pinnacle of weapon systems ever seen in Star Trek. If a cloak-capable race ever build a warp-capable high yield bomb, it's game over for the Federation.
I never got why you can't just warp drive impact into a planet. that would cause some massive damage
You mean that torpedo that got hacked by the Marqus to attack a cardassian planet, got catapulted across the galaxy and mistook another, inhabited world for said cardassian planet? Oh and it resisted change of orders and could only be stopped by putting two indipendently operating computer systems against each other?
That torpedo where the automation basically was the biggest flaw?
It also had better shields than a borg cube. It was a terrible episode, yes. But you can't hack what you can't see.
Being trained to operate something, isn't the same as figuring it out on one's own. Secrecy and difficulty are not mutually inclusive.
No more than a subluminal velocity vessel. Warp doesn't make the object within travel at ftl speeds, the warp bubble (which is a patch of space your ship is embedded in) travels ftl.
I loved the Prometheus class - and I hope it gets used in a t.v. show and/or one or more movies!
I absolutely love the Prometheus! I’ve written a story where the Prometheus-class becomes the next Enterprise flagship
Hey how did your story go. Feel like uploading it. There's actually a story called Star Trek: Athena. The Secret Fleet by Chris Robato. You should check it out
If Starfleet would just incorporate smartly placed Burger King stations, we'd be done with this.
Don't be an asshole Don.
When I first saw "Ship In A Bottle," the impression I got was that this ship was inspired by the Picard/Riker/Shelby plan from "The Best Of Both Worlds" when the Ent-D separated into two halves and attacked the Borg cube. "Ship In A Bottle" remains pretty much the only episode of ST: VOY I like, despite it being scripted by hacks who knew next to nothing about how software works; why didn't they just COPY the Doctor to the computer of the Prometheus... like we all do when we email an attachment? I guess that would have meant they'd have to come up with another B story instead of Sulu-Lite and Nick Locarno creating a brand new holographic doctor...
...they explain several times how he has physical ties to his ship via the component's that house and maintain him, that have to be tuned a physically set up for him to work and not degrade...
That's irrelevant. The Prometheus was another ship with evidently the same kind of equipment. When you send an application (which was all the Doctor was) you don't delete it from your hard drive, you copy it to the destination. There was no reason for the Doctor having to be effectively deleted from Voyager in order for his program to work on Prometheus.
Wow,people who write scripts all day on computers dont know how copy and paste works.Interesting.
Plus, he apparently had a backup module that was capable of restoring him completely, as we saw in the episode "Living Witness". Which raises another question: why were we always concerned about the Doctor getting destroyed? Why was he not backing himself up on a daily basis? I can understand them being worried about the mobile emitter getting damaged, fair enough. But there were plenty of episodes where he was supposedly in jeopardy and a daily backup would have solved the problem instantly. "Spirit Folk" is an example that comes to mind.
@nbfdmd Voyager's initial concept was good, but the regular writing and continuity were severely lacking. That's why you have questions like that, nbfdmd. So much of the show feels "phoned in" when it comes to that.
Captain: "Computer, save the day, and get me a case of beer."
I liked the Prometheus. It would be nice to see more such badassery from Starfleet.
You have to love and respect Prometheus
Still don´t really see the point of splitting ships into multiple parts. With the Galaxy it was to protect the civilians on board. Sure (not a great idea to have dozens of children on board of a ship that constantly enter combat and dangerous situations). Whats the point for the Prometheus? It just means you have to split the reactor, get a ridiculous amount of warp nacelles, get different shield generators, 3 deflectors etc. It just seams extremely ineffective in every way. Why not just build 3 ships of the size of 1 part? Way more efficient. There is absolutely no point in the multi-vector-assault mode.
Just to clarify: I love the ship its just... not sensible.
Starfleet loves its expensive and nonsensical designs and live testing dangerous technologies that end up killing more starfleet personell as most enemies of the federation. (And whoever greenlighted transporters for routine use before the quirks were worked out should have been shot.)
Rule of cool
redundancy is great for war..look at the Klingon make up
Personally, I think that while the design is good, the whole MVAM thing is a bad gimmick. The problem is all the extras needed for MVAM (like extra nacelles, hull plates, warp cores etc.) take up a LOT of mass and space. Also, because the hull needs latches to hold it together in joined mode, it its potentially far weaker structually than a standard ship.Also while the two lower sections may have similar performance, there is NO WAY the saucer with those tiny nacelles can go as fast. Also what happens if the middle section is damaged or destroyed? The ship cannot rejoin then. Now the design WITHOUT MVAM could be much more effective.
I have one on star trek online it's really cool. The weapons section hits hard and when you split into three it's just a bumrush. The back section shoots torps as well as phasers
Loved this class of ship 😊
Why not just make 3 Small ships?
That would be the defiant... And defiant sucks for long-range tactical missions as it is just too cramped
I never really liked the multi-vector bit on this ship. Get rid of all the redundant systems you need to do that and this thing could be turned into a proper cruiser.
i love prometheus,more of them please!!!
I love the ship and wish there was more information and screen time featuring this ship and its role during the dominion war and after
USS Defiant NX 74205 -- respect it.
FFcecil1991 Tough little ship ;)
absboodoo (as Worf) Little?!
I loathed it. The whole idea is idiotic. Ship separation was never intended as a combat tactic. ENTERPRISE could separate the saucer as an emergency escape ship, but that's ALL. That Riker used it in combat against the Borg was unheard of.
Now, design. In order for the ship to have three sections, all would need separate warp cores and separate fuel storage. None of this is small, so the ship's interior would be almost entirely filled with warp core related tech. Additionally, the ship would be FAR more powerful conjoined. By separating the ship, each section loses the power from each of the other two. That means weaker shields, and weaker weapons. It also means there are breaks in the ship's structure, making it more fragile when conjoined.
The "saucer" arrowhead section has two little tiny warp engines (that look utterly ridiculous). If they can make warp engines that small that can propel the ship just as well as full size engines... why use full size engines?
The ship appears to have only one navigational deflector, making warp drive in the other sections... hazardous (I say generously). Without a deflector, the other two sections would be obliterated by particles and debris in space striking the ship at faster than lightspeed. (I just noticed this has been mentioned before)
In all, the LOOK of the ship is fine WHEN CONJOINED. I prefer the rounded saucer traditional with Starfleet, but the Voyager staff seemed to prefer pointy things (Intrepid, Nova and Prometheus classes). However, the design is fatally flawed.
thats my fav class of starship, i really wish it would have gotten a bit more screen time during the Dominion war.
A lot of people did not notice it but the prometheus saucer has a secondary deflector on it similar to the intrepid class, but smaller. The secondary hull has one as well, hidden inside the separation area. These smaller deflectors allow for a deflector field big enough to protect those individual sections. The bottom hull or "gamma vector" has a much larger deflector because it is exposed in the normal place when the ship is integrated and thus would need to make a field big enough to encompass the entire ship. I only bring this up as a common argument against the prometheus is that there does not appear to be deflectors for each vector and those are essential for warp travel. The Alpha and Beta vectors have them. They are just very very small.
I keep one in STO as my personal testing ship for weapons and technology testing. usually one of two things happens. It survives sometimes barely and I learn what to use and not use on other tactical ships, or it wipes the floor of other players and opponents so fast that I eventually shoved its multi-vector into storage due to not needing it.
Multiple warp fields in close proximity was established in Enterprise. With a ship dedicated to splitting apart and operating as a single tactical unit, I would assume warp field merging would be automated, perhaps having the center B hull simply expand its field as far as possible and then the three fly under their own power. As for the deflector issue brought up by TheAtheistPaladin, I like Deadnought AI's explanation of simpler, less robust (and plot-capable multitasking) deflectors safely embedded in the hull. With a sudden 3-on-1 scenario, you don't need the A and B hulls' deflectors to work long, just enough to score a few hits on engineering or the nacelles and drop the target to impulse.
Great research.
Prometheus is my favourite ship. Whish they made a tv series about it because i would love to see more screen time on that ship.
I would love to see a series of ships that can combine and separate like this...
The ship is impractical. They've essentially glued 3 smaller ships together. Which might seem cool in a sci-fi sense...but doesn't make any practical sense.
If it were me I would have built a ship that had hangar space to accommodate 2-3 Defiants. Or the Defiants kind of blended with the hull like a captain's yacht.
You could even design a "mk2" of the Defiant making it even more compact. The ship would no longer need crew quarters, mess hall and such since it would no longer be an independent ship.
"Aha! We have those Huumons now! All they have guarding this world is a single fat cruiser!"
"Uh. Sir? It just launched fifty Defiant Class Ships."
"Oh for the Grand Nagus' sake!"
Cool ship!
Reasons like this is why we need another Startrek Armada game.
These are lots of fun. I can't wait till you get into alien ships. Do the Ferengi D'Kora class Maurader.
I intend to do every one of them ;)
Prometheus class is my favorite next to the Galaxy class. A ship being able to split into three sperate ships is a huge advantage. That means more weapons on target and gives each section a fighting chance to survive against more formidable opponents. Granted these odds decrease statistically once the 3v3 aspect is gone but I'm sure it would take more than that before the Prometheus class is out gunned.
can someone tell me what freeken episodes he was playing in the window of this video!?!?!? please and thank you
I fell in love with this starship the moment I saw it on Voyager.
Currently my favorite Starfleet ship
Currently my favorite ship in Star Trek is Nelix's shuttle. Talk about awesome.
The best explanation I have for this ship being able to separate while at warp is the variable geometry warp fields that the Intrepid and Sovereign had, so it could be construed that this ship also had this technology.
Full tilt, the Prometheus is my favourite federation design.
I always liked this ship idea. I had thought of taking it to the next level which would have been the use of specialized sections. The Ceberus class as I called it would be 3 section one heavy in the phaser firing, one in torpedoes and one for recon use which housed a cloaking device. Each ship would be specialized for its mission. The recon ship goes in scouts the threats it has weapons however its focus isn't in combat itself but support As it would relay information to the two other vessels through scanning. Phaser ship is fast and nimble and the torpedo ship is just a big beast of a ship slow but packs a punch. Each section would have a commander on it. So Captain for command with two first officers who are in charge of their own sections. Also the torpedo section would house a couple of fighter squads. This is a warship pure warship its crew would be enough to run the ship on two shifts. As well as the two fighter crews with pilots specialized in fighter flying.
This is great now let's see the nable class please
For Starfleet, I think the difference for the Prometheus and Sovereign classes are that these ships are built to be formidable and even terrifying to enemies, yet still have the aspect of hope and optimism. Starfleet designed and built them (and some other classes of the same era) as warships first, with the hope that someday they could be refit as vessels of exploration and diplomacy.
Within the universe of Star Trek, and within the time the media was made, I think the designers really nailed it. The ships look mean and powerful but also you can see that they could be adapted to the ideals of the Federation in better times.
all I know is when I first saw this kick ass ship for the first time I was like wow love it
Another explanation for the state of the defiant is that it was designed for a different combat role, defiant was designed to combat the borg specifically. That is why it was so small a fleet of defiants would offer a swarm of targets for borg that they would struggle to cope with (the reason the enterprise detached its saucer in its fight with the borg was to confuse it with more targets to deal with) whilst having the firepower to deal extreme damage to borg cubes. The prometheus was designed with lessons learn't from the defiants development (which came about from combat with the borg) but incorporating the lessons from the dominion war so it was more an all round combat ship designed to take on anybody.