Starship Lore: Galaxy Class - Apartment IN SPACE
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Lore Reloaded the thing that disappointed me was that most of the time, in battle they made the ship weaker than it should have been. The episode Yesterdays enterprise is a prime example. They have 3 Klingon ships attacking and they barely fight back.
Aw, came a day late :D Next time! heheh
So - I heard there were only 6 launched at first. They tended to lose a fair few. More around by the Dominion War, including the Challenger probably.
Oh! Crap...
What do I think about the Galaxy class? Let's just say I was overjoyed with the Sovereign for all the reasons it was different from Galaxy.
"Galaxy class" _Shows picture of a Galaxy class_
"Oberth class" _Shows picture of a fireball in space_
I showed them in their natural state..thought it was fair
I will never get tired of that joke. It's my favorite joke on the entire Star Trek wing of TH-cam.
I was cracking up when I saw that.
I went back and watched it again lol
Actually a really evil joke, an Oberth has up to 80 heads on crew (min. required was 5).
They most probably got killed when any Oberth went in it´s natural state... oh dammit...
Prometheus also does a saucer separation (and more). The 'Constitution' class in Star Trek: Beyond also did a saucer separation. The Miranda class in the first episode of DS9 performed a marriage separation...
Bruh....lmao
Lauren Henschel it’s also said the original constitution could separate
Dude you better pray Sisko doesn't see your comment. He'll pimpslap you.... and not with his hand.
Literal quote from a 20.Century Human who got on Board of the Enterprise:
"I am VERY Dissatisfied with the Service here! I want to see the Captain NOW! I will complain!"
Oh my god.
@@slevinchannel7589 Fuck...a male Karen in Space
I think i remember hearing somewhere that the galaxy class was design for deep space exploration and extended away missions of 5 plus years. Hence the name and design because it was made to explore the galaxy.
EArly Generation would lead you to believe so, yea.
i agree, the biggest mistake was not building warships in tandem with gal class, pacifism sounds great and noble, but when ur a in a fight for ur civilisation, all it does is get u extinct, warships for war (and discouraging others starting wars, so warships for peace) and starships for the rest, then the gal class makes sense - can pull it out of fights and leave battle to specialist vessels and crew trained in wartime tactics
Jarrad Scarborough and when was the last engagement with the Federation in a desperate last stand war when the Galaxy was designed?
I felt the Galaxy design was top heavy, but it grew on me. The Galaxy was a ship of it's time, but adaptable enough to be changed for different times.
Oh it was definitely top-heavy, which was even a problem for the film models. But top-heavy is not necessarily an issue with a spacecraft that is never intended to land on a planet. Worf even commented that when in separate flight, the stardrive loses a great deal of the bulk of the ship making it a lot more maneuverable than the combined vessel. I read a rumor that one reason they decided to crash the saucer in the first movie was so they could destroy the cumbersome 6-foot model. And it did look cool.
Top heavy in space is irrelevant.
Lol, shows an explosion instead of an Oberth x’D
... They are exactly the same thing.
Literal quote from a 20.Century Human who got on Board of the Enterprise:
"I am VERY Dissatisfied with the Service here! I want to see the Captain NOW! I will complain!"
Oh my god.
The Galaxy Class is in my top ten list for favorite starships in Starfleet. It wasn't a ship meant for warfare, but could more than hold its ground if required. It demonstrated the mindset of the Federation during that time by allow families on board, along with other vessels (Sisko's ship during Wolf 359). Like all other Starfleet vessels, it speaks through design the views of the time.
I agree. It was probably an adequate response for most all Alpha Quadrant powers.
That being said, there were plenty of times where civilians were dragged into known engagements when they should have been left behind somewhere. Why was Sisco's wife and child still onboard when he engaged the bord at Wolf 359? If it was me, her along with any other civilians would have been on a shuttle to the nearest (hopefully safe) starbase. There were a number of times the writers/producers should have had Picard separate the saucer someplace safe while he took the stardrive section into the potential (very like a trap in some cases) situations. It was mentioned that that was the whole purpose of separation, and then they rarely bother to use it. One of the few times we see it done correctly (based on what is said on screen) is in the first season episode with the arms planet. Jordi breaks orbit, separates, returns (in the stardrive section) to fight the threat.
@@LoreReloaded Enough Scene Analysis already! More about Ships! And Ships! AND ALSO SHIPS! Yay! Ships for the Win!
And seriously, think of a Projekt like designing your own Spaceship-Concept - it would be great and super interesting!
And/Or just listing the actual Differences of Spaceship-Concepts and Ranking them!!
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@@LoreReloaded Enough Scene Analysis already! More about Ships! And Ships! AND ALSO SHIPS! Yay! Ships for the Win!
And seriously, think of a Projekt like designing your own Spaceship-Concept - it would be great and super interesting!
And/Or just listing the actual Differences of Spaceship-Concepts and Ranking them!!
We need Stuff like that!
@@LoreReloaded Literal quote from a 20.Century Human who got on Board of the Enterprise:
"I am VERY Dissatisfied with the Service here! I want to see the Captain NOW! I will complain!"
Oh my god.
In a time of peace, if a given Galaxy class ship ONLY explores and does sciencey things, having families on board makes perfect sense as they were originally intended for long duration missions.
the dominion war changed them into effective battleships.
A battleship doesn't get a hole through critical spaces when it takes a hit. Take the oil out of a super tanker and you could bolt on a fairly terrifying number of ways to kill other people but it is certainly not a battleship.
Galaxy class ships have more in common with Q ships than battleships.
I do not have enough time to list all the battelships that took holes through critical spaces in just WW 1 and 2. Suffice to say a lot did even the all or nothing designs.
One of the reasons why battleships fell out of use is that anti-ship weapons (missiles in particular) do so much damage that you can't reasonably armor a BB sufficiently to take many hits. You might as well use smaller vessels that are faster and thus a bit harder to hit and much MUCH cheaper to use while still having weapons capable of surpassing the 16 inch guns in range and destructive power.
My point? Photon torpedoes in star trek vastly dwarf nukes in destructive power. Weapons in star trek in general are pretty silly powerful. So armor isn't really that useful until ablative armor (DS9 Defiant) and whatever that armor tech was that future Janeway used and gave to Voyager.
Even as a kid in the theater I was calling bullshit on the Enterprise getting wrecked in generations.
They could've used non-battle intended ships for family bearing ships. The more ambitious officers are less likely to have family to take care of. They'll also be drawn to the more dangerous and prestigious ships.
Even better than housing family on starships? Make mobile starbases. They help consolidate power, house family and personnel, and set a safe range for ships to retreat and resupply.
That makes no sense as the galaxy class was not battle intended in the first place. It was intended as an exploration science vessel. The galaxy class starship WAS a mobile starbase. Well as close as you can get with federation tech. There is NO safe place in space though so even your mobile stations would be facing the same crap the galaxy class ships were facing.
Kirk captained in peace time and look at all the wacky shit he got into. The wilds of space is no place for the faint of heart.
I never researched any of this of course but I always assumed the ship was so heavily armed for a scientific and exploritory vessel because the families on board were precious cargo.
It was heavily armed not because it was intended for war, they just packed in every latest technology available to the federation onto that ship.
TentaclePentacle Good to know. I was just sharing the thoughts I had as a viewer when I would wonder why a ship that I had always viewed as a ship of exploration at that point in my life would have such powerful weapons is all. I wasn't stating it as fact but I appreciate your comment none the less and apologize if my previous comment was unclear.
That's what I thought too! People going onboard probably know the risks, but they are also going to do their utmost to protect the civilians. Hell, I'd go if I had the chance.
Ell also by that point the Federation was all too well aware that not everyone is as peaceful as the Federation tries to be. So they designed it for peaceful exploration, but if someone was dead set on picking a fight, they made sure the ship could handle herself without relying on backup which could be weeks or months away.
Literal quote from a 20.Century Human who got on Board of the Enterprise:
"I am VERY Dissatisfied with the Service here! I want to see the Captain NOW! I will complain!"
Oh my god.
I'd always liked the idea of family on board.
What's that? You're traveling in space for years at a time? Let's make you less homesick, more willing to defend this costly ship, and less likely to go crazy from not being around anyone but coworkers for years on end.
And stressed to hell and back when we fight the Borg..what's that? Don't like a command that you think will get your kids killed? I'm sure you won't mutiny!
The Galaxy class never really went far out of federation space, so you always had the option to be re-assigned to a different location or take a month off, perhaps making that decision would be harder for people as you went up the chain of command, but in the end, even Picard could have had the option to just take some time off and go somewhere else if he for some reason had the desire to
Lance LaRosa In fairness, if you are going to have multi-year long missions with mixed gender crews, you're going to make some sort of accommodation for the... progress of nature. Either prevent all pregnancies or plan to accommodate children.
But, then again, do we ever see a Galaxy going out on it's own for more than a few months at a time? I mean so far away from support that a pregnant female couldn't be transferred off ship?
Well, the Galaxy class wasn't designed with the Borg in mind. Heck, the Galaxy class was at the time, supposed to be the big gun of the federation, right? I don't think they were concerned it would get into many situations it couldn't handle.
Also, I don't know about you, but the concept of a apartment building that travels through space was awesome to me as a kid. I grew up in the projects of NYC. So , to me, the Galaxy class was the ultimate luxury living, and job combined.
General User They kind of explained this in DS9 but it was only a quick comment between Sisko and Cassidy when she told him of her pregnancy by saying " You know you missed something this month, so did I" My guess is it is men that get some kind of hypo-spray to prevent pregnancy once a month seeing as a woman only has a small window to get pregnant, again unmarried men would go to sickbay once a month get their injection and be on there way, a case in point Riker with all the women he had he should have kids all over the ship
The galaxy was a ship of its time, designed for a federation at peace and blithely overconfident. When war came they were stripped down and pressed into service, I imagine they probably had a series of major refits during the war. Dumping research departments to make room for more shield and phaser generators. And fixed that darned warp core that tended to explode every three weeks.
One known Galaxy Class refit was the U.S.S. Venture, which had an extra phaser array installed on the top of each nacelle. It was seen several times in DS9.
Actually shipping the whole family on a long time peace, exploration or diplomatic mission does make sense.
In my time as a active solider I saw up to 75% of all relationships of soliders who went to Afghanistan for 6 months fail - imagine the same for a 3-4 years mission.
Having the family around makes for a stable Crew environment and social integration. I would see a galaxy more as a flying city than just a apartment.
Of course when it's going to War you wouldn't do that but you also wouldn't send a ship to fight on the line for months and years and war is always a extreme situation.
What seems a better strange was that starfleet apparently did not evacuate civilian crew prior to the wolf 359 battle (was that ever explained)
But back to the topic - families seem to be often part of crews in star trek and it makes absolutely sense - we can't really compare that to our today earth standards where every point of the planet can be reached in roughly 2 days - maybe you can draw parallels to the old British empire where colonial officials usually would take their families with them to their postings.
The only half way comparable situations we have today are arctic exploration stations and the ISS - and if we had either one with crew compliments in the thousands you probably would see families there (either move there or be created there...)
lol, an oberth class in its natural habitat
Explosions ?
mid explosion or crisis 😁
The reason the 20 year old bird of prey was able to fatally damage the Ent-D was because the opening volley of torpedoes went RIGHT THROUGH HER SHIELDS. The BoP had intel. Intel can make all the difference. In the real world Navy, a submarine can destroy an aircraft carrier with a single, well placed torpedo. That the BoP was able to destroy the Ent-D in the way it did is not in anyway inconsistent or unreasonable to me.
I agree that the armor was stupid weak and comparable to an oberth..
...or any ship from that era. The first ship that I'm aware of that had any mention of armor was the Defiant with its ablative armor.
Darin Wagner And Starfleet's incompetence in not checking Geordi for any surveillance equipment or bugs even though he's just been abducted and tortured for information. Riker shouldda been court-martialled.
Well, I'm sure they were relying on the transporter scan to catch those kinds of things. Soran was smart and was able to modify the VISOR surreptitiously. Once again, we're dealing with an overconfident, peacetime version of Starfleet here.
Riker probably should have been drummed out of the service for his insubordination against Capt Jellico.
My favorite ship design! Nothing else can compare with it for conveying senses of grace and power simultaneously.
It may have been the first that was _specifically_ designed for families, but remember that Sisko's wife and son lived with him on the _Saratoga._
On a distantly related note, when Carol Marcus joined the crew of the _Enterprise_ at the end of _Into Darkness,_ I was thinking that in that timeline Kirk might actually get to be a part of David's childhood. I was wondering if we'd see him toddling around on the ship in _Beyond._ I suppose that would have undercut the sulky "It's so lonely out here!" mood of Kirk's log entry. At the least, though, I would have enjoyed seeing Carol and David make a cameo at the starbase, possibly instead of turning Sulu gay for no reason.
Oh, and by the way, there is a quote by Moore somewhere out there that confirms that the DS9 writers made the _Odyssey_ a Galaxy to send the message that shit just got real, that the Jem'Hadar are the Trek baddest villians of the 24th century, by virtue of the fact that they'd just done what none of the others ever could.
grace and power at the same time ? D'Deridex cruiser, Jem'Hadar Dreadnought and Scimmitar take that title easily over Galaxy class any day
The galaxy class carrying civilians makes sense for the early era of TNG, it showed the mentality of the federation but not necessarily that of starfleet. However in an active combat situation it doesn’t make sense, that leads me onto the saucer separation, the idea of the saucer making a run for it whilst the secondary hull fights is pretty weak sauce, how far could they get before the enemy caught up with them if they didn’t have warp power, coasting only gets you so far. Other than that I liked the idea of the galaxy but much preferred the defiant and intrepid, at least they didn’t get a warp core breach the moment they hit turbulence.
+Tobias Fowler
the saucer section is basically a giant escape pod for their families, the only time you need to separate is when you know you are fighting a hopeless battle.
TentaclePentacle why fight when you can run, running is a valid survival strategy, starfleet had some of the fastest ships except for perhaps the Borg.
Separating just means they pick off the civilians a short time after the secondary hull is destroyed or with numerically superior foes, outflank it. Bye, bye civilians.
The best use of the saucer separation was in the movie and even then the ship was a write off, wouldn’t have been a problem if the saucer could even get to warp 1.
The only reason to have saucer separation is cool factor, who doesn’t like Voltron in space. It’s just a flawed concept, they only really used in the opening and closing scenes of the Enterprise D.
+Tobias Fowler
Sometimes running is not an option. Like the episode where leforge was in command, he had to separate the ship to rescue the away team. He put the ship in danger when he went into the atmosphere, so he had to offload the families first.
TentaclePentacle I don’t recall that particular episode myself but couldn’t shuttles perform the same role, I’m not trying to crap on TNG just highlight that beyond an engineering exercise and cool factor, saucer separation has very little use and just over complicates an overall good design.
Oh it does serve one purpose, it can be exploited in armarda 2,, using the Gemini effect to produce 100’s of free galaxy classes.
+Tobias Fowler
leforge needs to shot down an cloaked satellite that's firing on the enterprise. A shuttle would have been 1 shotted by it.
BTW, it's no coincidence that the USS Odyssey was destroyed in the season two finale of ST:DS9... which aired a week after the series finale of TNG.
And she was captained by this fellow: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Keogh - look familiar?
Literal quote from a 20.Century Human who got on Board of the Enterprise:
"I am VERY Dissatisfied with the Service here! I want to see the Captain NOW! I will complain!"
Oh my god.
Your videos normally get a thumbs up out of me, usually around the middle or the second half of the first viewing.
The Oberth picture is the earliest thumbs up you've gotten out of me. Thank you.
Literal quote from a 20.Century Human who got on Board of the Enterprise:
"I am VERY Dissatisfied with the Service here! I want to see the Captain NOW! I will complain!"
Oh my god.
i've always loved the Galaxy class as it combines alot of power and comfort together. the concept of families on the ship does make sense if you consider that these ships were for exploring, ie. going on exploration missions for a long period. so it does make sense that an officer would bring his family with him/her if they are going to stay away for along time.
It doesn't when you juxtapose that it is a ship of war - as we see when the galaxy has people killed against the borg and then romulans.
true but that was later in the series, which means essentially the idea was sound. if you think about it, how many armed encounters did the Enterprise have during the total run of the show? i don't imagine it was alot. what do you think?
One should remember, though, that the Galaxy was conceived and then built in a time when the Federation was going through as least three armed conflicts. The Cardassian war, the Galen border war and the Tzenkethi war. You'd expect this to result in a more militaristic Starfleet, and yet they start putting civilians on their largest ships, that will be pushing the boundaries of Federation space and possibly encountering hostile civilisations?
Of course, these wars were introduced to canon after TNG started, so they only act retroactively, but it does still introduce that strange paradox of thought. If writers wanted to stick with the peaceful Starfleet one wonders why they brought these conflicts in, so close to the timeline of the TNG era.
+andymac4883
The thing with those wars is that the federation was vastly winning. The federation was being overly confident.
TentaclePentacle
Were they, though? There's not much information about the Tzenkethi War in alpha canon, and the Cardassian War seemed to end in a stalemate. Beta canon may expand on the conflicts, but I'm not sure how much I'm really willing to take from that.
Its iconic that a series called "the Next Generation" featured what was essentially a generational ship.
I always liked the relationship between the Galaxy and Nebula classes, with the Galaxy being a "Look what we can build" almost showoff ambassadorial ship, and the Nebula being more like a Federation Workhorse-looking design, reminiscent of the Miranda-style design
Early on that was the general nature. The Galaxy was meant to be a limited run "showpiece" meant to display the best the federation had to offer, while the Nebula was supposed to be the mass produced workhorse. Until DS9 started, it was strongly implied that there were only a few Galaxy class ships in service (less than 10, as few as 6 by some estimates) and that the Nebula was the backbone of the fleet. The main reason (other than money and ratings) the Enterprise ended up close to home handling encounters with the Borg, Romulans and Cardassians was that during the TNG run, Starfleet simply didn't have enough Nebula class ships built yet, and thus the Galaxy ships had to pick up the slack. Once the Nebula class was in full service, the Galaxy's would be free for their intended use, as flagships and first contact, long range exploration vessels.
Things started to get really screwy at some point between Best of Both Worlds and the start of DS9. All of a sudden the Federation has so many Galaxy class ships they don't know what to do with them all, but only a handful of Nebula's, which makes absolutley no sense. Facing increased dangers, it would be more logical to ramp up production of the smaller, more capable Nebula than the big resource hogging Galaxy. Lest we forget, the base Nebula class essentially had all the same capabilities as the Galaxy class, and the integrated rollbar made it that much easier to expand.
If the later episodes of DS9 had kept to the program, we would have seen fleets of Nebula class ships, supported by 1-2 Akira's and dozens of older, smaller ships, led by a single Galaxy class. Instead we got spammed with Galaxy's and only a few token other ships.
Lastly, from a purely headcanon point of view, I see the Federation starting to homogenize their fleet after the Dominion war, possibly even a full restructuring into two separate "branches" of Starfleet. One dedicated primarily to science, exploration and diplomacy and another dedicated primarily to defense. The scientific side would inherit most of the pre-Dominion war vessels while the defensive branch would be made mostly of newer designs.
when i've seen the Odyssey get destroyed i was like holy shit...the dominion is going to be a tough one
and indeed they were..
You should look up the Battle of P3Y-229 which goes from tough to one of the greatest displays of getting your butt kicked on syfy. At least the Jem hadar fighter was destroyed when it rammed the Odyssey, where as a Hatak which is much larger, didn't even scratch the paint job on an Ori mothership. In short you go from tough to holy crap we are so screwed.
seth Thomas I did see that
+seth Thomas
the battle of P3Y-229 also known as The Attack of the toilet bowls.
Massive kudos to the writers for that one. That episode aired not that long after All Good Things..., so, in a brilliant display of Show Don't Tell, they, as SF Debris put it, showed us that "this was a threat that could've destroyed the Enterprise."
And before anyone brings up Generations, let me remind you that the Duras sisters only won by cheating. ... Though the Enterprise crew ended up cheating too, which really ruined the moment. That scene would've been better if the crew had managed to win due to their superior technology and skill, and only lost the ship because of a lucky hit; makes it a tragedy instead of the farce we actually got.
And let's face it, I think the filmmakers knew it too. That's why they had to add the stupid dropped teddy bear scene to give the seperation sequence pathos it lacked otherwise. Not sure what's worse; the fact that they did it, or the fact that when I was watching it in theaters it actually worked on me. I mean, yeah, I was 12 at the time, but still.
It seems as it was build just to be build, but when you compare it with ships from that era. It's powerfull
i concur..
I love your comparison between miranda/constitution and nebula/galaxy classes. It makes so much sense to me.
i do have to say i love how you put your videos together man! well done, you deserve all the success
This video got me right in the nostalgia.
Glad to oblige
Best breakdown of Galaxy Class I've ever heard. Bravo!
I like the idea that SF Debris put forward regarding the Odyssey's demise. They had the Dominion kill the Odyssey to prove to the veiwers that the Dominion could kill the Enterprise
Family on board makes sense. You crusing around with several 5 Years Mission, you want your family around. That there was so much action on the Enterprise is the law of Storytelling, and we only see the interessting stuff, and not the boring one. And i don´t think during the Dominion War, the Galaxy Class was filled with familys.
The Borg and vidiians would appreciate it
It would make sense that the construction process of the Galaxy was refined over the years making it faster and cheaper to produce. So yea initially it was hard to produce and expensive but the Federation grew, wars came up and thus the class was refined making its construction time and expense fall, allowing for more ships to be produced. The Sovereign would take the place of the Galaxy in its expensive and hard to produce nature. Regarding the families i thought that was dumb too but if you factor in the long duration mission of long term exploration having families on board does make perfect sense. In war on the front lines? Absolutely not. You did say they were customizable Id assume families would have been a load out for long term exploration missions.
Yep. And indeed, in wartime all the families were removed from these ships.
Still, why was Saucer seperation so under-utilised given it's entire premise was being able to send the non-combatants away to safety in the Saucer section while the stardrive section fought the battle or confronted the danger?
KuraIthys Because it was expensive to show on screen!
Really enjoy watching your videos! Keep them coming!!
I'm glad you enjoyed..
Love your channel. The thought of families on the ship was initially because the ship was supposed to do 10 year deep space exploration somewhere during the show they bailed on the idea of writing a show like TOS and hence what we saw of the ship mainly only ever being in federation space.
The Galaxy Class Starship, this ship is truly...
"We come in peace, shoot to kill...."
I get it as a ceremonial guard type of ship, a powerful projection of its ideals and abilities, making diplomatic contact rather than first contact... you don't take children into a situation where in a first contact they are seen as dinner... (and considering Federation attitudes would they have caused a fuss or said would you like some ketchup???)
If you are certain to be going to a dangerous situation like a Neutral Zone you don't bring Children.... what if your called to Ram the enemy? Could you order Ensign Red Shirt to take the ship full speed into a Romulan Super Ship when his little Johnny is playing in Ten Forward?
Why would little Johnny be playing in Ten Forward during a red alert?
All joking aside, Starfleet is a weird hybrid of military, explorer, and civilian fleet, where they have family ships engaging in frontier exploration and all the dangers that entails. I can only assume that it's due to how long some of these ships remain in the field and the fact that most Starfleet officers do not serve a tour then go home like soldiers but remain officers for most of their lives. They aren't going out seeking trouble, and may be away from 'home' for 20 years, so to keep everyone sane families often accompany long range ships.
Joshua Coleman he was playing in Ten Forward because he spilled his weapons grade plutonium for his science project in the quarters bathroom 😆 Sorry Wesley and his Anti-Matter......
That's a good point you make.... when I was thinking of Star Fleet I thought of the Old British Navy... ships at sea for a year or two but always kept their families at home... space is much bigger and would require a longer duration mission... we also have to look at the Federation Society as presented... they have different values and live in a post scarcity society so to that mindset maybe having families is acceptable.
For me, it is abhorrent, because you may be called on to deal with situations like a plague or major disaster which requires the sacrifice of the ship... if you are military or quasi military that is acceptable, but also sacrificing your family... that I could not do agree with....
Great points raised by you and it is a very worthwhile discussion
shronemor I always figured heading off Ensign Redshirt's hesitation (or mutiny) at obeying suicidal orders was the reason why so many of the ship's functions could be handled by the computer acting on senior officers' voice commands.
tba113 it is kind of suspicious that Starfleet doesn't seem to trust that officers can follow through with whatever orders their captain might issue...
shronemor one would think by this point that there would be near-frontier superships or starbases where families live, and near-frontier exploration and military ships that are crewed from those superships. Families stay on this side of the Neutral Zone/black hole/plague world, and the officers are never more than a year or so out. Of course, since basically all starships are constructed at Utopia Planitia, maybe they are not as post-scarcity as they pretend. One would think in a truly post-scarcity civilization, they would have starship replicators all over Federation space.
Joshua Coleman that's a really good point... just as in Militaries all over the World, military personnel have their families on bases... and they do move around... but no family members do the "Robot Chicken" and accompany Gary the Storm trooper aka their parents to work when they are trying to get back the plans for the death star...
It's why I have an issue with families on the Enterprise but when it comes to DS9 I'm actually okay with as it is the base and also commercial hub... and it pretty much stays where it is....
I think it makes for a reasonable thought to have families on board if you are on Lagrange exploration or scientific research. Such an arrangement would show of the cultural as well as societal values of the federation. Though of course this really is only viable on paper. In practical terms its bonkers.
Great video! Can't wait for part 2 to come rolling out!
woot!
You Rock, Lore Reloaded!
I love the future refit enterprise D with a third nacelle and a massive gun on the underside.
though we never get to see one that is a 'prime' reality and not a possible future ;(
yeah, too bad she never made it to that refit in Prime
Lore Reloaded Other galaxy classes could look like that in the future
Lore Reloaded Well, if you play Star Trek Online, shell out a few bucks on a very much worth it bundle of Galaxy Class ships. Then, you can see it all the time. Personally as a STO player. It was my favorite ship until the revised version of the Jupiter Class came out and I moved to that. As I am a carrier person at heart and Star Trek in general never really did the Shuttle Pilots any justice.
in the distant future, where warp 13 is possible.
I want big space ship go vroom vroom
Loved your review on the Prometheus nice work. You did my fave ship justice 😂😂
The whole families on board thing was so officers could stay in deep space for extended periods of time and truly treat their ship as their home.
It also shows how confident the Federation of that era was, since they were apparently certain that they could reliably protect the civilians on their ships in any situation.
Seriously though, given all the stuff the Enterprise-D encountered, I'm surprised we never heard of a child phasing into the ground below like that woman during "In Theory".
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Families on a star ship??
For deep space, long duration missions, like a 5 year mission, makes some sense.
But for close to home, Keeping an eye on the romulans, so on, no, offload non essential personnel.
One interesting thing you can do with the galaxy class, is use it as a very well defended logistics ship. It has an lot of extra space and science facilities, which could actually be put to good use in a war, like offloading wounded or housing spare parts.
What a great vid to finish off my lore-binge
Personally the Galaxy class is a bit squat for my tastes, I prefer the more stretched out sleeker looks of ships like the Intrepid or Sovereign class.
A lot of people share that opinion.
I never liked the Intrepid much. Always looked kinda bloated, like a balloon that had been over-inflated. I've always thought of the Sovereign as the Intrepid's hotter sister.
Fair enough. The smaller nacelles and body design of the Intrepid do make it look a bit funny and front-heavy.
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Aerodynamics is very important in space.
spaceodynamic :)
I hate hearing the Early Galaxy Class ships were 'inadequate' or 'wanting'. They went out to the unknown, so they "expected a little bloody nose"! Other than the Borg, and a suicide mission, and sabotage! Against known opponents, the Galaxy made short work of Cardassian Cruiser, for example.
I don't doubt the Cardassians were never a major Threat to the UFP. Starfleet 'could' have crushed them as easily as the Klingons later did! Proving my point. The Galaxy could handle all known threats. Great ep BTW, you did get it right the Galaxy was a ship of peace, built in an era of peace!
At the time it was built, the Galaxy Class was the most advanced known ship in the whole quadrant, not just the Federation. The Klingon Vor'cha was roughly equivalent to the Ambassador Class, which was already 40 years old. And the Cardassian Galor was roughly equivalent to an Excelsior, which was pushing 80. The Romulans had gone into full isolationist mode after the Treaty of Algeron, and hadn't been seen in decades. The Federation had no reason to believe that their flagship design could be matched by anyone, much less surpassed. Hubris perhaps, but you can't know what you don't know.
Lore Reloaded held its own against the Borg where a whole fleet was taken apart. Dominion could shoot through its shields and yet despite having 3v1 still had to resort to ramming it? Think you’re being a little harsh on it! ;)
galaxy wasn't suppressed by dederix, the D was less maneuverable and had worse torpedo systems. however it was implied in TNG that romulan tech in general slightly better, this changed in ds9. fed always had the best the all rounded ship designs, they made the max out of thier tech
The analogue drawn between the Galaxy/Nebula classes and the Constitution/Miranda classes is something I’ve always believed to be a very good possibility.
Also, with the customizability of a Galaxy would make a lot if sense. think about it - the Stardrive section with 10 phaser banks/emitters and fore/aft photon launchers could be easily replicated, leaving the vast shell of the saucer module to be outfitted with anything and then mated together in space dock; barracks, colonial personnel, evac and emergency response facilities, extra experimental modules all could be built in on an as-needed basis. Theoretically, with the large main shuttlebay doors, you could even build in additional hangar and maintenance facilities and turn the damn thing into a shuttle or fighter carrier. Stardrive could act as the big guns up front and allow the Saucer to hang back and rescue or deploy as needed. Frankly, I’d actually like to see that as a combat scenario.
Been waiting for this one
Apartment complex in space pfff SDF-1 Macross was a city in space. But to be fair that was an accident .
the
GALAXY class
was a concept based on the
AMBASSADOR class
the
NCC 1701 C
USS ENTERPRISE
Destruction
sped up the construction
of the
GALAXY class
The Ambassador was NOT constructed with the intention of having families! on board
JAGTHEGEMINI
NO it wasn't
neither was the
GALAXY class
the
NCC 1701
USS ENTERPRISE
was the only
GALAXY class
with families aboard
in the
STAR TREK TNG ep
YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE
we get to see the original
intention of the
GALAXY class
USS ENTERPRISE
a WARSHIP
No this is TOTALLY wrong. Like in this video mentioned, the galaxy class was intended to have families on board!
YOU are messing up two VERY DIFFERENT galaxy class ships called Enterprise D from two DIFFERENT timelines.
One can only wonder if you even ever watched "yesterdays Enterprise"
JAGTHEGEMINI
I've been watching STAR TREK
since 1985
I had ST TNG on
VHS and DVD
watch ST TNG ep
BOOBY TRAP
GEORDI LA FORGE
recreates the
NCC 1701 D
USS ENTERPRISE
construction on the holodeck
the GALAXY class
was created during the
STARFLEET
KILINGON
ROMULAN
conflict during the
2350's
as a warship
it was the peace of the
late 2350's that changed
the
NCC 1701 D
USS ENTERPRISE
into a ship of peace
ST TNG ep
YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE
TASHA YAR tells
LIEUTENANT
RICHARD CASTILLO
" she was the
1st GALAXY class
warship ever built "
meaning the
NCC 1701 D
USS ENTERPRISE
was built AFTER the
NCC 1701 C
USS ENTERPRISE
was destroyed
in the late 2340's
during wartime
Uhm no...
The prime universe galaxy class was build AFTER the incident of the romulan attack against the klingon outpost.
So the federation was already at peace with the klingons when the galaxy class was planned.
The alternate universe galaxy class was build in a WAR DRIVEN time where the Enterprise C failed it's mission which lead to a totally DIFFERENT Enterprise D
My favorite part of trek is when Admiral Ross Relinquish command and gives Sisco command of the San Paulo and permission to rename the San Paulo the Deffiant. Thanks lore for this vid I love all your streams.
Great information, love your videos!
glad you enjoy it..
I grew up watching TNG, it was my intro to Star Trek.
I always hated the idea of civilians on the Galaxy Class for the reasons mentioned despite the very rare opportunity for a good storyline in the occasional episide. Aside from that I was never a fan of the Galaxy Class in the first place as it seemed an ugly design.
That changed after watching the film Generations and later seasons of DS9 as it seemed visual effects improved to improve the overall look of the class.
There are a few other reasons I can't remember off top of my head right now but I've now come to like the Galaxy Class ship.
I agree
They made it look somewhat flatter
I like the Civilians because it shows that Starfleet is NOT A MILITARY, it is NASA with guns.
The title sounds like a rental advert for Craigslist or something.
_Galaxy class apartment in space_
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contains recreational facilities (bar, holodeck, observation lounge...), science and medical facilities, one Captain's Yacht and 5 hangars. can separate in case of battle or core breach.
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ScientistCat 5 Hangas? The Enterprise D had Shuttlebay 1-3
idk Memory Alpha said five, reckon I haven't personally watched TNG
I only saw 3, but there are hatches on the underside of the saucer that also have been marked as hangar space in some blueprints.
Great video, good work.
Galaxy class- star fleet's luxury liner with heavy firepower, shield tank, yet thin armour. This was star fleet's multi mission purpose dreadnought in latter half of the 24th century.
As far as ship building, the primary hull would be the basis for attaching pylons, secondary hulls, and other modules. With show production's budget, it would be easier to use the starring ship's saucer section and build a homogeneous supply of ships.
I'm sure that by the time of the Dominion war, ablative (spelled right?) armour was added to aid "survivability". Hopefully the mark 2 version solved the "starboard power coupling" problem that Cardassians, the Duras sisters, and Dominion targeted.
I have honestly always been impressed by the versatility of the Galaxy-class Starship.
I didn't realize how versatile till i started researching it.
Another awesome vid lore thank u 😁
I like to think of it as a colony ship. There were a gymnasium, theater, concert hall, salon, holodecks so having families on board didn't stand out; it was like a space station that can wrap.
Great commentary! The NCC-1701-E rectified a lot of the shortcomings of the Galaxy class. Aggressive design, elimination of family quarters, and also missing a design weakness (the dorsal). I am fond of the D, but think it is better suited for exploration rather than a warship.
I have always thought it would be cool if Star Trek would send out a fleet of ships together much like today's US Navy does. This could mimic our carrier fleet accompanied by support ships for various types of missions.
The best ship ever. I've always loved this ship. Its nice on the eye looks elegant and its badass on paper too
The galaxy class is my favorite starship class in Star Trek. Nothing will ever change that.
a lot of people enjoy it.
Love the comparisons to the Oberth and Miranda classes.
Love your channel
The Borg. A slap in the Federations face.
The Dominion war. A kick......a heavy kick with Doc Martins right in the Federations knackers!
The Galaxy-class has long been my favorite design. The whole "families in space" thing is kind of goofy and counter-intuitive, yes, but the ship itself is phenomenal. Taking into consideration what we saw in the TNG series finale, that thing could be a SERIOUS powerhouse.
Love love love this video. I like videos about just the ships.
Great vid as always Lore! Now about that model...... 😁
A Galaxy class on its own is elegant. A battle-line of them is terrifying.
Good talk glad we had it
my favorite class my first enterprise thanks for these videos bud
glad you enjoyed.
This is the first video I've seen and I think I will subscribe. I grew up with the Enterprise D.
4:11. I always thought it was wierd that the Enterprise was firing phasers from its torpedo launcher. I guess the vfx people mixed up the weapon enplacements.
I'm so ready to win. Great video.
6:20 Tomino: "That never stopped me before"
Well researched!
I try
Yay my fav. ship design!
I would say the ability to house people would be a great asset as an explorer vessel because you have so many opinions and knowledge to handle problems. This exposes a lot of people, even at a young age, to see the world beyond Earth's Paradise and I would imagine it would have lingering effects on families on the front line, coming home to participate in political activities.
First hand experience dealing with different cultures, events and situations, is absolutely vital to a healthy dose of reality for Federation Civilians.
Kiddies running around while in a dog fight is the best description of TNG
I believe the saucer section had a warp-sustainer engine that could hold warp speed, as long as the whole ship was at warp during the separation, though if it had to drop to sub light, it was then stuck there until they rejoined with the secondary hull (or got a tow from another warp-capable ship).
Just one point about the saucer separation...
The idea behind it was that the saucer was supposed to be separated *before* shit hit the fan, not after. In reality we were supposed to see it any time the Enterprise knowingly went into a potentially dangerous situation (i.e. the Neutral Zone). Budget concerns were the main reason we didn't see it more often. Basically the way it was done in Encounter at Farpoint and the time Geordi was in command was how that feature was always meant meant to be used. It was just too expensive to film a new separation sequence (or separated sections) every other day, and the crew didn't want to constantly re-use old footage, so it wasn't shown as often.
Always been interested in what the saucer and drive sections are capable of on their own. I used to let my saucer section “die” in STO because it was that much fun playing with just the drive section at which point it behaved like an escort class.
I liked the whole angle with the families.
Good work.
I thought bringing families along made sense, at least to a degree. I mean, it happens a lot with military personnel (at least back when I was growing up). But as you pointed out, as more and more hostile forces showed up, it was better for families to stay behind. Thanks for another great video!
Families stayed on submarines...destroyers and air craft carriers ?
No, but Subs Destroyers and Carriers are vehicles of war, not exploration vessels and for every borg,vidiian, etc. they met, how many non hostiles did they meet. Also remember serving is voluntary, You're offered the post it's not mandatory you take it or take the family along, and refusal of the post may result in a career nosedive it is an option.
Nice video man my favourite ship
Glad you enjoyed.
Good channel, keep up the good work.
i attempt to aspire
The galaxy class was one of the federations best ships. Granted it was a glass cannon when the shields dropped, but it took a top ship(or a group of smaller ships) to be able to do this at all. But as we saw in yesterdays enterprise it could destroy ships at will when picard actully orders a fire at will(which is rare, really rare).
I love this and its one of the most iconic star trek ships. But the soverion and defiant are above it on my list.
I would love to have a galaxy class ship. TNG was the first Star Trek series I watched and it was the voyages of the Enterprise that got me into trek and sci fi in general.
The galaxy class is my favorite class in trek I love the design I have the technical manual for the enterprise-D
LOL! I love how the picture of the Oberth is an explosion.
Its what god would have wanted.
@6:20 I guess Ron Moore learned quite a bit since Battlestar Galactica basically was a colony ship in space, which is what the Galaxy class was supposed to be.
I love the Galaxy Class. I think it really shows how the Federation and Starfleet think and operate.
They take a mostly-finished ship (large sections with "facilities go here" stenciled on the walls), order a 30-70 mix of actual-crew-to-civilian-randos to board it as their new home for the next several years (hope you like shipboard life, kids!), and then send it on tour, patrolling disputed demilitarized zones, investigating deadly stellar phenomena, and giving assistance to plague-ridden colonies. With the closest backup days away. Oh, and if a military threat shows up somewhere, the crew are expected to take their families into harm's way without hesitation.
...And they saw nothing wrong with this. In the Galaxy Class's three years of design, planning, and construction, which had to include at least some thought about how the vessel would fit into the Federation's overall mission and fleet deployments, no one saw this as anything more than a brilliant opportunity.
Like I said, I love how the Galaxy Class shows how Starfleet and the Federation really think.
I saw the Galaxy class ships built during the war as being stripped down ships. The advanced science labs and holodecks and family quarters were never installed in favor of heavier armor and weapons. The "excess space" in cannon descriptions would have been loaded with supplies to be taken to the front as well. I would not be surprised if there were accomodations made to carry all those fighters used during operation return and the 'galaxy wings' would be fighter wings embarked on galaxies...
The Galaxy was nice and all but my favorite ship was the Intrepid. I loved that it was able to land when needed.
You’re spot on....
Families in Space. This is an Issue I have always FIRMLY been of two equal but opposite minds on.
Considering that the Enterprise was meant to be a ship of peace and exploration, it makes PERFECT sense to bring the families of the crew on board who would be spending literally YEARS of their lives in deep space. There are so many positives to bringing ones family on board that it's hard see any downsides, especially given how damn big the Enterprise D was. These ships had empty space for crying out loud ment to be fitted out as needed, maybe even as the need arises. There was PLENTY of space for families. Not to mention, having families on the ship brought something truly special to the series in my opinion.
And then,,, there is as you pointed out, the fact that the Enterprise D was birthed during a time of tenuous "Peace" that was always being crossed. The fact of the matter is, The Enterprise D was virtually guaranteed to be placed in harms way with appalling frequency. This makes having civilians on-board not just impractical, but completely irrational. Decisions constantly had to be made based specifically on the FACT that there were civilians on board. And even then, they were often placed in mortal peril. This was an almost untennable handicap for the Enterprise D the vast majority of the time. And it was really only Captain Picards LEGENDARY status as a diplomat that allowed Enterprise to exist under those conditions. Other sister ships did not fair nearly as well, and ended in all hands lost.
In my opinion, the concept of bringing families along is in fact a great idea; under completely different circumstances from that of the Enterprise. I would say that the concept would be much better suited to a TRUE ship of peace, like maybe a science vessel or a medical ship. But the fact of the matter is, the Enterprise form factor was created specifically TO house families where virtually no other ships were. Therefore, sister ships I believe would be well suited to having families in space, so long as they had a legitimately peaceful existence, and roamed the comparatively well known and safe expanses of space. And that means that they could not be, under any circumstances, be called upon for potential military situations, unless the civilians could be successfully off boarded. This would mean for all in tents and purposes, that any such ship would be indeed incapable of making a timely intervention into a dangerous situation. And Star Fleet, not actually having an inexhaustible amount of resources, would constantly be attempting to breach that boundary. But then, maybe THAT"S one of the reason the Nebula Class was created. A sorta welfare version of the real deal. Maybe a more civilian oriented ship, stripped of much of the capabilities that would lend itself to being called into dangerous situations in the first place.
Ultimately, I think the mistake was calling the Enterprise D an "Experiment" and not pursuing the idea of families in space under a different set of conditions. Personally, I can see a strong reason, as a space fairing species, to work on and towards a semi permanent presence in space. Space in my opinion SHOULD be considered just another "Planet" or environment to live and flourish in. That way, natural disasters, and Borg planet destroying ships, would have a much harder time making us extinct. And with the life sustaining capabilities of the Galaxy Class ship, maintaining a virtually permanent presence in space could be possible. I can easily see scenarios where humans spend nearly all of their lives on-board a Star Ship, or COULD spend their entire life aboard a Star Ship if they choose to.
In my old table top sessions we called it a floating Ramada in...we basically made it a ship class that, any culture with anything vaguely resembling an aristocracy, would have.
You forgot that the Galaxy class was not the only ship shown to separate. Prometheus took saucer separation to the next level. Their multi-vector assault mode allows them to separate the saucer (more like a triangle), the center section and the stardrive section where each are capable of independent action.
Hey I watch this video I do like the information you gave off about the house of class cruiser and ask for having families on board that is kind of a double-edged sword but I would believe that main reason why they had that specially in Star Trek next Generation with a Deb of class cruiser is because shifts like that were supposed to stay out in deep space for extremely long periods of time some could even stay at space for years so having family on board pretty much made it easier on the people that were actually working on the ship that had families