The only smooth*ish transition in this video is at 00:01 when I take the eyebox with my hand and throw it on the background. So there is hope for smooth transitions. That's proof that those camera can do it. PS , this video is filmed with my xh2s fw 7.0 . If you zoom in on me ( Static subject on a chair ) My face is out of focus at every slight movement back and forth when I talk. The video before this "First look X-M5" was with fw 1. Perfect eye focus throughout the whole video. Link to the song : suno.com/song/5ad903ab-e86d-470e-8aef-561dd4a63d8a
This is bad ass my friend. I did Fujifilm review back in 2018 and people said the AF isnt wrong, I just didnt know how to use the camera lol. Glad to see the trouble in 2024
In X-H2s, AF was excellent until FW 3.0 was released. With the new predictive algorithm, the AF performed pretty bad. Fuji tried to solve it for more than one year. Well, we are still here
Nothing changed in the foundation of af system. Yes they've added Subject detection but the actual AF system is the same , even worse now in some cases.
@@edvard2942 Yes, I agree. The problem back in 2018 was too much fanboys making system worse. Im glad you made this video. Maybe I should follow and also bring back fuji in my channel. Only do autofocus lol😂🤦♂️
It is hilarious that Fujirumors shills are saying you are acting like a child while they are calling people liars, disregard every little criticism from other users of the site and blatantly lie about AF and else. You give them less than they deserve Edvard.
@@andyp5693 I wasn't talking about Patrick but wouldn't be surprised if he is affiliated with Fuji. People on that site are way worse, attacking everyone who criticizes Fuji like rabid dogs.
Patrick from fujirumors is an immature hack who can't admit that he's never taken a single photograph in his life. The only thing he knows is how to browse the film sim menu. And how each option magically changes colors on the lcd screen. WOW!
There are so many favorite parts to this video. The song, the stepping sound effects, the sarcasm, and the white box illusion. All that aside, I’m asking myself if Fujifilm can / will actually fix this?
Thanks, bud. I almost ended up with X-H2 , but I've changed my mind after your videos and got Panasonic Lumix S5 Mark II instead. Will do some AF tests to see how perfoms, but should be fine.
kinda devilish to compare Fuji AF to "ancient" Canon AF lmao. but tbh Canon's AF was superb back in the day, which makes it sadder that current Fuji flagships cant even compete in terms of AF accuracy.
@@edvard2942 I was using an 80d before switching to X-S10. I was expecting at least a bit better autofocus but it feels like Fuji’s stuck with entry-level DSLR autofocus.
One of the best intros on TH-cam hahaha :D Thanks for your information about this topic! I hope Fuji will finally take this issue serious enough to get it where it should be in 2024.
My man, you have got yourself a follow. Amazing video, and positively hilarious lol. Btw, I was deciding between XS20 and A6700 and I got the A6700 because of honest reviews like yours.
Another way to stress the autofocus that wasn’t explicitly mentioned here is *getting close.* Obviously you cannot go closer than the minimum focusing distance, but depth of field increases with distance to the focal plane. There are a lot of autofocus tests out there where not only is the aperture at f/5.6 or whatever, but the subject is further away as well. When the subject is closer, the autofocus accuracy matters much more. Of course, none of that matters if your camera focuses on your curtains.
So I followed your invitation to test. Not going to do it with all lenses, but what I already had to hand X-t5 and 23 1.4 LM, which allows close focussing so I can go quite far to near. Key settings you didn't mention, or I missed. I tested with both AF mode wide/tracking and also area, box in centre only. AF-C settings: tracking at 1, AF speed at -2 for smoother transitions. Face detect on with auto eye select. First test with me moving with camera, AF mode Area keeping the box in the middle, moving around the room shifting from items from far to near, and everything in between. It behaves as I would expect. Moving the AF speed to 5 makes a difference but would be too abrupt for my usual purposes. AF locks on at a consistent speed. One criticism is that even at the slow AF speed, the final lock on is quick, so it smoothly transitions until the very last part which fast. Some might say jerky, but it's really only that last focus snap. If you move nice and smoothly to not make the viewer feel sick like I do, the focus moves and adjusts smoothly. Move to quick and you need to pause a second while focus catches up. Going from near to far, definitely more of a jerk than I'd like. Why I prefer slow pans. But AF does lock and is accurate. Second test, camera mounted on a tripod with me moving from far to near and near to far. Roughly 5m to the minimum focus distance. Appearing and disappearing suddenly into the middle of frame thanks to a door frame tested also. This time with AF wide/tracking and face detect. Same AF-C settings as before, so rather slower than fast to ensure smoother transitions. I found it tracked my face very well all the way up to minimum focus distance. With me suddenly appearing from behind a door, head first no body I was actually positively surprised. No I wasn't leaping around like a demented kangaroo on LSD, but just normal movements - if moving back and forward and jumping out of doorways can be considered normal. I guess this is why I'm happily using this as a webcam day in day out wide open (wider lens, though). For video when I'm behind the camera I usually use touch to track, and would use different AF-C tracking settings depending on the situation. Obviously hard to test on myself. Any improvements welcome but on the X-t5 I am getting nothing anywhere close to what you demonstrate. I would be claiming a defective unit if I had results like you are showing. I'm no pro but if a friend asked me to video their wedding tomorrow, I wouldn't be having any cold sweats about missing the aisle walk with the X-t5.
@@trym2121You're in luck because I don't actually shoot video like a normal person, I try force to AF failure for content by doing these ridiculous exercises. Kidding aside, no I didn't at the time but I just did. Just completed the test with the same lens both using tracking and area and each time with tracking set to max and minimum to see if we are being manipulated. Lens wide open as before. I completed the test twice, with the hand near my face and at full arms length in front of my face to create large depth of field and throw my face deeply out of focus. So 8 different shooting possibilities. I could not once get the AF box to stick to my hand and pull it aside. Once it followed my hand to about my ear at which point my eye became exposed and it went back to the eye. Once my eyes became exposed with the hand closer to the face (deeper depth of field test) it snapped pretty quick straight to my eyes and again stayed locked as I reintroduced my hand until it covered them. At which point mostly the face/eye boxes turned off, until the eyes were revealed again. But even when not it went straight back to the eyes. With the shallow depth of field test, similar story. Even though the face was just a blur. However, it unsurprisingly wasn't so snappy, it did take a couple of seconds to find the face and focussing in in 3 short phases. So jerky, but I did this all at the minimum focus distance, I was completely blurred out. There was no clue for the camera a person was there really, once it found the face, though the eyes snapped. I didn't try it with crossed eyes, an eye patch, shades or clown make up I'm afraid. It's already a moronic enough test as it is! Conclusion, I still have no idea how he is making it do this. And let's not forget it's edited. I tried maybe 20 different passes, if he tried 150 and took the one bad one... I can't say it will never happen in 1/150 attempts. And remember I have the x-T5. But this video is posted as if it happens with all Fuji bodies. I can't even force it to this choosing the worst settings I can think of. Maybe someone with another Fuji body can try too.
What firmware did tou test on? xt5 version 2.10 and below are all fine. It was the new ones that messed up the AF. I have testes 23mm f2, 35mm f2, 50mm f2. The AF-c in video mode with are gives a pulsing effect on all the mentioned lenses wth the firmware V4. I downgraded all my xt5 cameras firmware. I have been doing videos since the fujfilm xt3 came out. I have tested all the settings
@@birjub9647 camera FW 4.0, lens not sure. I guess by pulsing you mean the focus like it's checking focus on more still subjects, and not exposure because you are using auto ISO? Not something I noticed at all. I've seen it before with the x-t2 and 3 when I also only had lenses with stepper motors, but I only have lenses with linear motors now which are more suitable for video. Didn't see it in this video of Edvard either. Not saying it wouldn't happen with this lens, but I didn't notice anything when doing these tests, nor when using as a web cam - although I'm less focussed on me then. If you've got a lens with linear motors try with that and see if have it.
I still think the first test should you just be standing there. Perfectly still. Keep the camera on a tripod and set up the interval timer shooting with AFC and face detect. There was no people in the background, just my family in the frame. Wasn't even using wide open. I got like 50% of photos out of focus. I've been with Fuji since 2015, so I'm used to deleting lots of photos, but it's annoying to have to rely on single point AF to take decent photos. Should have kept my old X-T10 if I wanted to take photos like that.
@@edvard2942 If you didn't make videos about Fuji AF bs, they would still knowingly hide it from the fans, experts, but because of you, they already promised new updates.
I have not seen any company whose communication department with its customers is so weak and insulting. They don't answer emails, they don't give an answer on social media, and they don't give an official statement. nothing Only after two years and for fear of losing the market two weeks ago, they officially said that we will give another update and they don't blame themselves for how much they messed up and how many users in professional work, from photographers to videographers, have problems and losses. It's really ridiculous I don't even have hope for a new update...
If you want more comedy then go to Fuji rumours and read comments of all those people living in denial. They applaud tests like this jumping "monkey" in front of the camera, lens set at f5.6 and stating that now they really see an improvement in AF although hardly anything is really visible in those test. Please keep posting those videos Edvard until Fuji really listens and fixes their AF. People on the Fuji rumour are going crazy with the comments about your videos, they just can't stand the truth😂
exactly, that what i have been saying since april. Only time I see consistent af tracking is in face detection on firmware 1. But on the newest firmwares seems like PDAF is missing. They messed up something big time
As a Fuji fangirl I don't mind you holding their feet to the fire. I'm thankful that it's not a hardware problem and is solvable with a firmware fix eventually. I think they just tried to get too fancy with autofocus -- probably tried some new "efficient" way to do things that reduced processor usage and battery consumption -- but overlooked some of the drawbacks. I use Fujis for wedding shoots and have never had an issue personally but can definitely see this problem if you're shooting sports or music videos or something.
@Jada_Maru What body lens combination and settings used for Wedding. I am curious. I did consider Fuji for wedding years ago but was out of budget that time
@@amitkrupal1234 The X-T4 is my primary camera and the X-E4 is my quick shooting camera. As for lenses, what I use is different than what most people would suggest so I don't recommend that you use it as a guide. For example, my workhorse lens is the Tamron 17-70 f2.8. It lacks an aperture ring but this has never bothered me and I'm fine controlling it with the front dial of the camera. Most people would tell you to go with the new Fuji 16-55. Beyond that, I use the Fuji 10-24 for wide shots and the Fuji 56mm 1.2 for portraits. Those three lenses cover everything you would ever need for a wedding from my experience. All that said, I capture the best moments between people with the X-E4 with the 18mm F2 pancake.
It’s not just music videos, this applies to all videos. Edvard is absolutely right, it's a disaster in every situation. The system is unreliable, unpredictable, and I have no idea what kind of magic you’re working to avoid these issues. Honestly, the only reason we stick with Fuji is their unbeatable color science and they look cool. Without that, they would be nothing more than garbage-worthy
Love this channel! It's my discovery of 2024. Could you guys please help me with suggestions for making a smooth transition? I currently have an X-T3 and X-S20 with six dedicated X-mount lenses, flashes, cages, small screw-in filters, etc. Both cameras have not only struggled with autofocus, but lately, both(!) have been shutting off after several minutes at room temperature (around 20-23°C) while recording in 4K 30fps (I never use higher frame rates for longer videos). I've also been experiencing frequent card writing errors across various brands (SanDisk, Lexar, Kingston, Sony Tough M), with cards ranging from 64GB to 256GB. Also X-S20 doesn't have record time limits but has HUGE overheating issues. X-T3 is better with that. Just short breaks every 30 min. In terms of reliability X-T3 is a bit more trustworthy. Any suggestions for a reliable hybrid system (60% video, 40% photo)? I'm mostly considering: 1. Lumix S5II/S5IIX - likely the best video camera at this price point, with excellent stabilization. However, many TH-camrs say it's a niche camera, making it hard to resell. Also, while the autofocus isn't as good as Sony's, some people say it's better than Nikon's. 2. Sony A7C II or saving a bit more for the Sony ZV-E1 (but is it good for photos?). 3. Something from Nikon. 4. Canon EOS R6 Mark II (or something similar from Canon; the R5C would be perfect but it's out of reach). 5. I'm even considering the Blackmagic 6K, but it lacks autofocus, though the image quality is superior. Also it's only video camera so for stills probably I'll stay with X-T3
Excellent. For the stills test, you could give the camera a chance by using focus priority instead of release priority. It may never take a picture though...
@@edvard2942 Same. At concerts (I'm on stage with the band and constantly moving myself) I sometimes have to wait seconds for the camera to take a shot with focus priority. Whoever recommends this setting has no experience shooting action scenes. To you fanboys: birds are not action
Fuji experts often take random shots on Sundays. They have no idea what is going on when it comes to shooting an action for clients for whom you promised to deliver real results. You cannot afford to go for Sunday walks just to show off your new Fujifilm camera. You lose money by using a malfunctioning camera.
@@INFOXlive I was so angry when my A7iv delivered less than 70% sharp sports shots when shooting as an amateur, I can't figure how pros can use Fuji at this stage.
It does not matter what brand the camera is. If it is broken, it is bad. Any high-end camera can produce poor results if used incorrectly. You cannot expect a camera to function in the dark unless it is a night vision camera. However, if the camera fails to deliver results despite being used with the correct settings for the conditions, it is most likely faulty. However, if your Sony camera was not faulty, a 70% hit rate appears strange. I have used Sony a6000 and a6400 cameras in challenging conditions and have never received the poor results you describe. Either the camera or the cameraman was defective.
I’m about to sell my XT5 and buy a Sony A6700. I made the horrible mistake of trying the Sony on a short portrait shoot yesterday. Zero misses. Zero. Beautiful shots. Great little camera. Fuji, get with it.
great that you recorded such videos as this, I don't trust fuji when they release software 7.0 - what they are doing is a joke. I have a whole system for FujiX and I have to change it because I make videos
Fujifilm manupulate their used camera market. No other manufacturer does this. We already know their "demand" is artificial (purposefully release too few models). We also know that they use dodgy third party hackers to harass people listing the latest fuji gear on ebay for lower prices!
OK OK! I've had my sights set on buying an a6700 since your first video, why do I keep watching you? And yes, how do I sell my old fuji now, you've ruined the whole second hand camera market :)
You are correct to rost fujfilm.. XH2s is a flaghip camera from fujifilm, most expensive apsc camera to be offered. On specs its amazing everything is good but the firmware which they made is the worst!
So funny! Good job calling out Fuji! Seriously with the price hikes on all their popular cameras and crappy autofocus I want to change to another system, except Sony, it’s the perfect camera but it’s soulless 😅 (I’ve had an a7iii, a7c and rx100)
Pal 2 Tech is heavily biased. It does not appear to be a trustworthy source. In one video, he claimed Fujifilm had excellent autofocus by showing blurry images.
@@haloboy456the latest is fine. They don't touch the AF algorithm anymore (a.k.a they're lazy AF). Any AF related firmware beyond the firmware 1 in xh2s is just downgrade in AF performance
@@amitmanner Thanks a lot. I'm going to check with my xt3 is running now and if it's that or older I'm not touching anything, The F was never perfect but I remember updating it a few times and maintaining the not as good as I'd like it to be feeling. But there were moments and stretches where it was actually working just fine. So now we all out here firmware hunting. The industry just needs to slow it the hell down and expand firmware sizes. Just a little bit accepting that you going to need a little bit of more processor grunt to keep fast boot times for these professional workflows. The semiconductor cornering of the market that Sony has too doesn't help much
Omg, i immediately wanted to sell all my fuji gear after seeing this video / videos! But then I started looking at photos I took with it and realised that I might regret it! I mean fuji colors for example - some photos look better than from Canon so…
For a moment, I thought the background was also a challenging one with such high contrast. And then you filled the frame with your face. And waited…lol. I do wonder if it would have the same troubles with a less busy background.
As a Fuji fan since X-T1 days I sold everything after testing out the X-H2 on release date. Went Sony and didn't look back. But wowzers... peaked back to see if Fuji has caught up or not and to my surprise they gotten worst?
8:47 ooofff that Canon AF obliterates any Fujifilm camera AF for sure. Great video (minus the AI stuff, I don't like it but I get your point lol). Keep up the good work. I don't expect the new firmware to do miracles at this point but at least they should have it working more consitently.
@@noyo1444 Let me tell you a secret you probably don't know. There are still film cameras you can buy. Yes, cameras still work with manual focus. You can still use the camera without eye detection as well as without AF in general. You can still paint, how did people do it before photography? And then there's a function called AF. If it works it's usable. If it doesn't, it's not. It has nothing to do with what and how you take the pictures, you pay for it there to work. Spoiler alert, it doesn't. I know you just tried to make yourself look interesting but you could at least think for a second before actually sending the comment lol.
@@michalsiegel6717 still didn’t answer my question. I bet there is no difference in your pictures at all. The guys who are crying the loudest make the worst picture outcomes….😂😂😂
@@noyo1444 I literally don't care about some random troll opinion because prices for a single photo I do for my clients are higher than your month salary lol. 😂
Stills taken with burst mode, with priority to Release or Focus makes little difference, in my experience with an X-T3 if the subject is moving towards or away from the camera Fuji AF-C can't cope. My ancient Nikon D700 works far better in this regard.
@@tycjanjakubczyk i have an s5iix and and xh2. the s5iix has reliable AF-C for talking heads, 75% for stills of a running puppy. Im not a fan of the Panasonic colors except for skin tones. I havent explored the LUT options. If I sell the s5iix it will be for a Canon r6ii
@@tycjanjakubczyk Any issue so far, coming from the a7iv it feels slower in very dark ambience but is totally workable, but lumix color science is fkin better than Sony.
@@LuisFelipeBustilloVelasquez Also with Fujifilm focus even if its spot on its not smooth. With Lumix you have also "hesitate" focus or its rather smooth and no drifting between background and subject?
You are Fuji's worst nightmare! I had to downgrade my Fuji from X-t5 to X-T3. Fuji just needs to pay Sony and buy thier Focusing system. Lets all face it Fuji has just never been know for any kind of good AF. Sh#t, I just bought the Panasonic S9 and it smokes the Fuji AF on my X-T5.
all the lenses are focusing in steps, stm or lm , same 3rd party lens on fuji has a stepping aperture, on other cameras is stepless, same lens on canon/sony body behaves very differently (better) than on fuji
you need to call out the fujirumors admin patrick, he is the reason fujfiilm is so behind he keeps making excuses for them his latest post on the comments he says your video is wrong lol
Patrick is deep in fanboy delusion. Someone needs to give him panasonic with real time LUT so Fuji has no more advantage, later introduce him with addicting AF from CaNiSony
Such fanboys are actually detrimental to business. They cause harm in the long run. Instead of properly addressing the issue, they are going insane in defense mode, making the product appear even worse than it is.
The only smooth*ish transition in this video is at 00:01 when I take the eyebox with my hand and throw it on the background. So there is hope for smooth transitions. That's proof that those camera can do it.
PS , this video is filmed with my xh2s fw 7.0 . If you zoom in on me ( Static subject on a chair ) My face is out of focus at every slight movement back and forth when I talk. The video before this "First look X-M5" was with fw 1. Perfect eye focus throughout the whole video.
Link to the song : suno.com/song/5ad903ab-e86d-470e-8aef-561dd4a63d8a
the best part of the video is the begining lol
@@ramonarias1234 Smooth AF and a smooth 'sweeping' hand :D
@@edvard2942 It's called FujiFanboyFocus. Or simply FujiFocus in the "pro" world. It's better than Autofocus. More dynamic. Much more dynamic.
th-cam.com/video/O30WsdvA2j4/w-d-xo.html fujifilm XT3 Af tracking from 5 years back
I am just waiting for you to drop another epic dis on the newest ''fixed' AF software update. Gonna be fun bro.
My song is now irrelevant. A.I has defeated me.
I'm also a muscian , music producer , and this AI stuff is destroying my career
Omg😂 he here🎉
Also Kasey, I need your help , please buy a fuji camera
@@edvard2942 u don't need that :) he has already done many videos cliticising fuji (with 200k subscribers) but none of them made the effect you did
@@edvard2942anti fanboys power rangers, it's morphing time!
Chat GPT knows more about Fujifilm AF than Fuji does
This is bad ass my friend. I did Fujifilm review back in 2018 and people said the AF isnt wrong, I just didnt know how to use the camera lol. Glad to see the trouble in 2024
In X-H2s, AF was excellent until FW 3.0 was released. With the new predictive algorithm, the AF performed pretty bad. Fuji tried to solve it for more than one year. Well, we are still here
Nothing changed in the foundation of af system. Yes they've added Subject detection but the actual AF system is the same , even worse now in some cases.
@@infantfrontender6131 even on fw 1 xh2s Is still the worse af you can get now in a modern camera that has "af".
@@edvard2942 Yes, I agree. The problem back in 2018 was too much fanboys making system worse. Im glad you made this video. Maybe I should follow and also bring back fuji in my channel. Only do autofocus lol😂🤦♂️
@@theCameraVille Do it
It is hilarious that Fujirumors shills are saying you are acting like a child while they are calling people liars, disregard every little criticism from other users of the site and blatantly lie about AF and else. You give them less than they deserve Edvard.
You mean Patrick, ceo of fuji PR club, employed by Fuji and the official news channel of market manipulators fujifilm?
@@andyp5693 I wasn't talking about Patrick but wouldn't be surprised if he is affiliated with Fuji. People on that site are way worse, attacking everyone who criticizes Fuji like rabid dogs.
i started this channel to show the lies that fuji af is "good" but now I do it for fun. And the fanboys never dissapoint
You’ve been crucified in the Fuji Rumors comment section before, but after this video, there’ll be a bounty on your head 😂😂
Patrick from fujirumors is an immature hack who can't admit that he's never taken a single photograph in his life. The only thing he knows is how to browse the film sim menu. And how each option magically changes colors on the lcd screen. WOW!
Nah they say that you can put all in focus 😂😂
Camera conspiracies needs to see this 😂😂😂😂😂 RIP Fujifilm
Why
@@Raj2005_sa he made a song about Panasonic autofocus so now it's fujifilm. Pani boy gave fujifilm cancer
why worry about the autofocus when you have a film simulation dial!!!
😂
that is so funny 😄😄😄
There are so many favorite parts to this video. The song, the stepping sound effects, the sarcasm, and the white box illusion. All that aside, I’m asking myself if Fujifilm can / will actually fix this?
Thanks Jackie , I actually hope that they will fix this. I'm not the bad guy. I just show facts with a little comedy :D
I have to give Fujifilm credit for hiring former Imperial Stormtroopers to work on their autofocus system.
Thanks, bud. I almost ended up with X-H2 , but I've changed my mind after your videos and got Panasonic Lumix S5 Mark II instead. Will do some AF tests to see how perfoms, but should be fine.
kinda devilish to compare Fuji AF to "ancient" Canon AF lmao. but tbh Canon's AF was superb back in the day, which makes it sadder that current Fuji flagships cant even compete in terms of AF accuracy.
@@sauzefilms Dont make me buy a 70d to compare it please, Already did a comparison xh2s vs a6000 from 2014
@@edvard2942 I was using an 80d before switching to X-S10. I was expecting at least a bit better autofocus but it feels like Fuji’s stuck with entry-level DSLR autofocus.
One of the best intros on TH-cam hahaha :D Thanks for your information about this topic! I hope Fuji will finally take this issue serious enough to get it where it should be in 2024.
Never know a camera focus tutorial can make me laugh harder than top comedians.
My man, you have got yourself a follow. Amazing video, and positively hilarious lol. Btw, I was deciding between XS20 and A6700 and I got the A6700 because of honest reviews like yours.
LOL dude! I''ve made a Reaction video to this. Coming soon!
Looking forward to it 🔥🔥🔥
DO IT
I sometimes start this video to laugh. Incredible moments, incredible work my man :D
And the award for the best 2024 song goes to...! I laughed my ass off! I can't wait to see what the November firmware does.
here for v7.1 video! cant wait
Another way to stress the autofocus that wasn’t explicitly mentioned here is *getting close.* Obviously you cannot go closer than the minimum focusing distance, but depth of field increases with distance to the focal plane. There are a lot of autofocus tests out there where not only is the aperture at f/5.6 or whatever, but the subject is further away as well. When the subject is closer, the autofocus accuracy matters much more.
Of course, none of that matters if your camera focuses on your curtains.
Hilarious episode! Enjoyed it very much! 😅 Fuji engineers must have nightmares after watching this. 😂
The metaphor withe power AI using the song is super clever.
00:03 that smile... that damned, smooth, out of focus smile!
I really hope you and Kasey over at camera conspiracies get together on a collab soon. It would be funny AF. Like what I did there? 😂😂
funny AF, pun intended haha
All I want is perfect AF
Now that song is inside my head!! 😡
Why!!??
So I followed your invitation to test. Not going to do it with all lenses, but what I already had to hand X-t5 and 23 1.4 LM, which allows close focussing so I can go quite far to near.
Key settings you didn't mention, or I missed. I tested with both AF mode wide/tracking and also area, box in centre only. AF-C settings: tracking at 1, AF speed at -2 for smoother transitions. Face detect on with auto eye select.
First test with me moving with camera, AF mode Area keeping the box in the middle, moving around the room shifting from items from far to near, and everything in between. It behaves as I would expect. Moving the AF speed to 5 makes a difference but would be too abrupt for my usual purposes. AF locks on at a consistent speed. One criticism is that even at the slow AF speed, the final lock on is quick, so it smoothly transitions until the very last part which fast. Some might say jerky, but it's really only that last focus snap. If you move nice and smoothly to not make the viewer feel sick like I do, the focus moves and adjusts smoothly. Move to quick and you need to pause a second while focus catches up. Going from near to far, definitely more of a jerk than I'd like. Why I prefer slow pans. But AF does lock and is accurate.
Second test, camera mounted on a tripod with me moving from far to near and near to far. Roughly 5m to the minimum focus distance. Appearing and disappearing suddenly into the middle of frame thanks to a door frame tested also. This time with AF wide/tracking and face detect. Same AF-C settings as before, so rather slower than fast to ensure smoother transitions. I found it tracked my face very well all the way up to minimum focus distance. With me suddenly appearing from behind a door, head first no body I was actually positively surprised.
No I wasn't leaping around like a demented kangaroo on LSD, but just normal movements - if moving back and forward and jumping out of doorways can be considered normal.
I guess this is why I'm happily using this as a webcam day in day out wide open (wider lens, though).
For video when I'm behind the camera I usually use touch to track, and would use different AF-C tracking settings depending on the situation. Obviously hard to test on myself.
Any improvements welcome but on the X-t5 I am getting nothing anywhere close to what you demonstrate. I would be claiming a defective unit if I had results like you are showing. I'm no pro but if a friend asked me to video their wedding tomorrow, I wouldn't be having any cold sweats about missing the aisle walk with the X-t5.
Try swiping your face. Does it lose the tracking box like the intro?
@@brownbear100 But imagine what: when you hide your face, face detect stops working. Crazy isn’t it? Terrible, terrible AF! (Sarcasm off)
@@trym2121You're in luck because I don't actually shoot video like a normal person, I try force to AF failure for content by doing these ridiculous exercises.
Kidding aside, no I didn't at the time but I just did. Just completed the test with the same lens both using tracking and area and each time with tracking set to max and minimum to see if we are being manipulated. Lens wide open as before.
I completed the test twice, with the hand near my face and at full arms length in front of my face to create large depth of field and throw my face deeply out of focus. So 8 different shooting possibilities.
I could not once get the AF box to stick to my hand and pull it aside. Once it followed my hand to about my ear at which point my eye became exposed and it went back to the eye.
Once my eyes became exposed with the hand closer to the face (deeper depth of field test) it snapped pretty quick straight to my eyes and again stayed locked as I reintroduced my hand until it covered them. At which point mostly the face/eye boxes turned off, until the eyes were revealed again. But even when not it went straight back to the eyes.
With the shallow depth of field test, similar story. Even though the face was just a blur. However, it unsurprisingly wasn't so snappy, it did take a couple of seconds to find the face and focussing in in 3 short phases. So jerky, but I did this all at the minimum focus distance, I was completely blurred out. There was no clue for the camera a person was there really, once it found the face, though the eyes snapped.
I didn't try it with crossed eyes, an eye patch, shades or clown make up I'm afraid. It's already a moronic enough test as it is!
Conclusion, I still have no idea how he is making it do this. And let's not forget it's edited. I tried maybe 20 different passes, if he tried 150 and took the one bad one... I can't say it will never happen in 1/150 attempts.
And remember I have the x-T5. But this video is posted as if it happens with all Fuji bodies. I can't even force it to this choosing the worst settings I can think of.
Maybe someone with another Fuji body can try too.
What firmware did tou test on? xt5 version 2.10 and below are all fine. It was the new ones that messed up the AF. I have testes 23mm f2, 35mm f2, 50mm f2. The AF-c in video mode with are gives a pulsing effect on all the mentioned lenses wth the firmware V4. I downgraded all my xt5 cameras firmware. I have been doing videos since the fujfilm xt3 came out. I have tested all the settings
@@birjub9647 camera FW 4.0, lens not sure. I guess by pulsing you mean the focus like it's checking focus on more still subjects, and not exposure because you are using auto ISO?
Not something I noticed at all. I've seen it before with the x-t2 and 3 when I also only had lenses with stepper motors, but I only have lenses with linear motors now which are more suitable for video. Didn't see it in this video of Edvard either.
Not saying it wouldn't happen with this lens, but I didn't notice anything when doing these tests, nor when using as a web cam - although I'm less focussed on me then.
If you've got a lens with linear motors try with that and see if have it.
I still think the first test should you just be standing there. Perfectly still.
Keep the camera on a tripod and set up the interval timer shooting with AFC and face detect. There was no people in the background, just my family in the frame. Wasn't even using wide open.
I got like 50% of photos out of focus.
I've been with Fuji since 2015, so I'm used to deleting lots of photos, but it's annoying to have to rely on single point AF to take decent photos. Should have kept my old X-T10 if I wanted to take photos like that.
This is a top-notch video by The Fuji Killer! By the way, you killed the Fuji trade-in, too. No camera stores want Fuji anymore.
Its not me who did , Fuji did
@@edvard2942 If you didn't make videos about Fuji AF bs, they would still knowingly hide it from the fans, experts, but because of you, they already promised new updates.
@@BelaAcs-m6ror maybe worse, people will start calling Fujifilm cameras "e-waste"
This is so sad yet so funny at the same time 😂
I have not seen any company whose communication department with its customers is so weak and insulting.
They don't answer emails, they don't give an answer on social media, and they don't give an official statement.
nothing
Only after two years and for fear of losing the market two weeks ago, they officially said that we will give another update and they don't blame themselves for how much they messed up and how many users in professional work, from photographers to videographers, have problems and losses.
It's really ridiculous
I don't even have hope for a new update...
"Those airpods in my hand are not in this universe, are undetectable" 😂 I'm dying
If you want more comedy then go to Fuji rumours and read comments of all those people living in denial. They applaud tests like this jumping "monkey" in front of the camera, lens set at f5.6 and stating that now they really see an improvement in AF although hardly anything is really visible in those test. Please keep posting those videos Edvard until Fuji really listens and fixes their AF. People on the Fuji rumour are going crazy with the comments about your videos, they just can't stand the truth😂
You've inspired me to do an autofocus test when the new firmware comes out
Not fair. You perfected the John Cena genjutsu and Fuji couldn't see you.
Theory would have it that if Fujifilm focus is happening in steps the phase detection is not used at all.
exactly, that what i have been saying since april. Only time I see consistent af tracking is in face detection on firmware 1. But on the newest firmwares seems like PDAF is missing. They messed up something big time
@@edvard2942 It behaves exactly like the old Panasonic DFD system so I am sure they rely on contrast detect mostly.
@@MrRafalEn Yes
As a Fuji fangirl I don't mind you holding their feet to the fire. I'm thankful that it's not a hardware problem and is solvable with a firmware fix eventually. I think they just tried to get too fancy with autofocus -- probably tried some new "efficient" way to do things that reduced processor usage and battery consumption -- but overlooked some of the drawbacks. I use Fujis for wedding shoots and have never had an issue personally but can definitely see this problem if you're shooting sports or music videos or something.
@Jada_Maru What body lens combination and settings used for Wedding. I am curious. I did consider Fuji for wedding years ago but was out of budget that time
Yeah I’m curious about your setup
@@amitkrupal1234 The X-T4 is my primary camera and the X-E4 is my quick shooting camera. As for lenses, what I use is different than what most people would suggest so I don't recommend that you use it as a guide. For example, my workhorse lens is the Tamron 17-70 f2.8. It lacks an aperture ring but this has never bothered me and I'm fine controlling it with the front dial of the camera. Most people would tell you to go with the new Fuji 16-55. Beyond that, I use the Fuji 10-24 for wide shots and the Fuji 56mm 1.2 for portraits. Those three lenses cover everything you would ever need for a wedding from my experience. All that said, I capture the best moments between people with the X-E4 with the 18mm F2 pancake.
@@catbread2585 See my reply to @amitkrupal1234
It’s not just music videos, this applies to all videos. Edvard is absolutely right, it's a disaster in every situation. The system is unreliable, unpredictable, and I have no idea what kind of magic you’re working to avoid these issues. Honestly, the only reason we stick with Fuji is their unbeatable color science and they look cool. Without that, they would be nothing more than garbage-worthy
Grabbing Fujifilm's continues autofocus point is my new favorite magic trick I like to show to our monthly "beers and camera" meet-up 😂
As a Fuji fan your video is useful and appreciate your efforts!! I hope Fuji watches this video!
And I even thought people will start throwing Fujifilm cameras to the trash instead of selling them, to send the message
Hahahah another 10/10 video 😂 I was laughing so hard watching this country song about Fujifilm AF 🤣🤣
Love this channel! It's my discovery of 2024. Could you guys please help me with suggestions for making a smooth transition? I currently have an X-T3 and X-S20 with six dedicated X-mount lenses, flashes, cages, small screw-in filters, etc. Both cameras have not only struggled with autofocus, but lately, both(!) have been shutting off after several minutes at room temperature (around 20-23°C) while recording in 4K 30fps (I never use higher frame rates for longer videos). I've also been experiencing frequent card writing errors across various brands (SanDisk, Lexar, Kingston, Sony Tough M), with cards ranging from 64GB to 256GB. Also X-S20 doesn't have record time limits but has HUGE overheating issues. X-T3 is better with that. Just short breaks every 30 min. In terms of reliability X-T3 is a bit more trustworthy.
Any suggestions for a reliable hybrid system (60% video, 40% photo)?
I'm mostly considering:
1. Lumix S5II/S5IIX - likely the best video camera at this price point, with excellent stabilization. However, many TH-camrs say it's a niche camera, making it hard to resell. Also, while the autofocus isn't as good as Sony's, some people say it's better than Nikon's.
2. Sony A7C II or saving a bit more for the Sony ZV-E1 (but is it good for photos?).
3. Something from Nikon.
4. Canon EOS R6 Mark II (or something similar from Canon; the R5C would be perfect but it's out of reach).
5. I'm even considering the Blackmagic 6K, but it lacks autofocus, though the image quality is superior. Also it's only video camera so for stills probably I'll stay with X-T3
you made me rethink my decision of ordering a new xm5
Why can't i get over with this song man masterpiece acting
Excellent. For the stills test, you could give the camera a chance by using focus priority instead of release priority. It may never take a picture though...
I experienced that
@@edvard2942 Same. At concerts (I'm on stage with the band and constantly moving myself) I sometimes have to wait seconds for the camera to take a shot with focus priority. Whoever recommends this setting has no experience shooting action scenes. To you fanboys: birds are not action
Fuji experts often take random shots on Sundays. They have no idea what is going on when it comes to shooting an action for clients for whom you promised to deliver real results. You cannot afford to go for Sunday walks just to show off your new Fujifilm camera. You lose money by using a malfunctioning camera.
@@INFOXlive I was so angry when my A7iv delivered less than 70% sharp sports shots when shooting as an amateur, I can't figure how pros can use Fuji at this stage.
It does not matter what brand the camera is. If it is broken, it is bad. Any high-end camera can produce poor results if used incorrectly. You cannot expect a camera to function in the dark unless it is a night vision camera. However, if the camera fails to deliver results despite being used with the correct settings for the conditions, it is most likely faulty. However, if your Sony camera was not faulty, a 70% hit rate appears strange. I have used Sony a6000 and a6400 cameras in challenging conditions and have never received the poor results you describe. Either the camera or the cameraman was defective.
This song is a masterpiece
I’m about to sell my XT5 and buy a Sony A6700. I made the horrible mistake of trying the Sony on a short portrait shoot yesterday. Zero misses. Zero. Beautiful shots. Great little camera. Fuji, get with it.
great that you recorded such videos as this, I don't trust fuji when they release software 7.0 - what they are doing is a joke. I have a whole system for FujiX and I have to change it because I make videos
Fujifilm manupulate their used camera market. No other manufacturer does this. We already know their "demand" is artificial (purposefully release too few models). We also know that they use dodgy third party hackers to harass people listing the latest fuji gear on ebay for lower prices!
This song has better AI than Fuji! Haha
OK OK!
I've had my sights set on buying an a6700 since your first video, why do I keep watching you? And yes, how do I sell my old fuji now, you've ruined the whole second hand camera market :)
Fujifilm ruined it bro , not me
You are correct to rost fujfilm.. XH2s is a flaghip camera from fujifilm, most expensive apsc camera to be offered. On specs its amazing everything is good but the firmware which they made is the worst!
So funny! Good job calling out Fuji! Seriously with the price hikes on all their popular cameras and crappy autofocus I want to change to another system, except Sony, it’s the perfect camera but it’s soulless 😅 (I’ve had an a7iii, a7c and rx100)
Top notch video again.
Pal 2 tech using wide aparature f2.8 18mm for test 😅
he has zero respect for his audience. he'll do great selling used cars after his views dry up
Pal 2 Tech is heavily biased. It does not appear to be a trustworthy source. In one video, he claimed Fujifilm had excellent autofocus by showing blurry images.
i switched to z8 from xh2s, never going back
My Fujifilm XT3 has way better autofocus. I really like their cameras I just hope they fix these big issues.
You mind letting us know what firmware you're on? I'm about to roll back a bunch of my bodies
@@haloboy456the latest is fine. They don't touch the AF algorithm anymore (a.k.a they're lazy AF). Any AF related firmware beyond the firmware 1 in xh2s is just downgrade in AF performance
@@haloboy456 It's firmware 5.11
@@amitmanner Thanks a lot. I'm going to check with my xt3 is running now and if it's that or older I'm not touching anything, The F was never perfect but I remember updating it a few times and maintaining the not as good as I'd like it to be feeling. But there were moments and stretches where it was actually working just fine. So now we all out here firmware hunting. The industry just needs to slow it the hell down and expand firmware sizes. Just a little bit accepting that you going to need a little bit of more processor grunt to keep fast boot times for these professional workflows. The semiconductor cornering of the market that Sony has too doesn't help much
Need your take on the latest firmware plssss
MAN!!!! This video is so true and cool!
Omg, i immediately wanted to sell all my fuji gear after seeing this video / videos! But then I started looking at photos I took with it and realised that I might regret it! I mean fuji colors for example - some photos look better than from Canon so…
Its true, that's why I still use fuji
Keep making these videos until Fuji gets their life together.
They won't they community still like that
For a moment, I thought the background was also a challenging one with such high contrast. And then you filled the frame with your face. And waited…lol. I do wonder if it would have the same troubles with a less busy background.
Probably not , because the camera would hunt like crazy if doesnt see enough contrast.
awesome video , keep going until they fix.Thanks
Now i sell my Fujifilm X-H2 :) the color is so good :) when you have the focus but thats all
Use firmware 1
As a Fuji fan since X-T1 days I sold everything after testing out the X-H2 on release date. Went Sony and didn't look back. But wowzers... peaked back to see if Fuji has caught up or not and to my surprise they gotten worst?
I hope Fujifilm doesn't fix the autofocus so that Edvard doesn't stop making those sarcastic videos.
8:47 ooofff that Canon AF obliterates any Fujifilm camera AF for sure.
Great video (minus the AI stuff, I don't like it but I get your point lol).
Keep up the good work. I don't expect the new firmware to do miracles at this point but at least they should have it working more consitently.
This is the best 2024 video BY FAR HAHAHAHAH, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
Man that first clip, absolute love the laughter. 😂 Reminds me why I sold H2 and H2s. UNUSABLE.
Unsuable…..how did you take pictures before eye detection?😂😂😂
@@noyo1444 Let me tell you a secret you probably don't know. There are still film cameras you can buy. Yes, cameras still work with manual focus. You can still use the camera without eye detection as well as without AF in general. You can still paint, how did people do it before photography?
And then there's a function called AF. If it works it's usable. If it doesn't, it's not. It has nothing to do with what and how you take the pictures, you pay for it there to work. Spoiler alert, it doesn't. I know you just tried to make yourself look interesting but you could at least think for a second before actually sending the comment lol.
@@michalsiegel6717 still didn’t answer my question. I bet there is no difference in your pictures at all. The guys who are crying the loudest make the worst picture outcomes….😂😂😂
@@noyo1444 I literally don't care about some random troll opinion because prices for a single photo I do for my clients are higher than your month salary lol. 😂
@@michalsiegel6717 big mouth American. Money talk its all he‘s got. My dog is making more cash a day as you ever will…..😂😂😂
stu-c, saving private brian or whatever his name is, should watch this
Fuji just want to save photography and make us learn how to use manual focus, you got it wrong
Stills taken with burst mode, with priority to Release or Focus makes little difference, in my experience with an X-T3 if the subject is moving towards or away from the camera Fuji AF-C can't cope.
My ancient Nikon D700 works far better in this regard.
LMAO. That intro was hilarious
BBWWWWAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That intro alone made my ribs hurt!!! :)))
I was waiting for a comment like this , thanks 🤣
Ironic but im glad i buy a panasonic s5iix over the xh2s 💀
Strongly considering to switch especially for S5IIX. Any issues with AF so far?
@@tycjanjakubczyk i have an s5iix and and xh2. the s5iix has reliable AF-C for talking heads, 75% for stills of a running puppy. Im not a fan of the Panasonic colors except for skin tones. I havent explored the LUT options. If I sell the s5iix it will be for a Canon r6ii
@@YouSnoozeYouNooze thanks for your thoughts!
@@tycjanjakubczyk Any issue so far, coming from the a7iv it feels slower in very dark ambience but is totally workable, but lumix color science is fkin better than Sony.
@@LuisFelipeBustilloVelasquez Also with Fujifilm focus even if its spot on its not smooth. With Lumix you have also "hesitate" focus or its rather smooth and no drifting between background and subject?
I suddenly regret purchasing an xt5 with a fashion runway to shoot soon! There's still time to loan a sony 😂
Use firmware 1
@@trym2121 nah I returned it. Not messing around on a paid gig. Fuji need to get their shit together
Grammy. Now.
You are Fuji's worst nightmare! I had to downgrade my Fuji from X-t5 to X-T3. Fuji just needs to pay Sony and buy thier Focusing system. Lets all face it Fuji has just never been know for any kind of good AF. Sh#t, I just bought the Panasonic S9 and it smokes the Fuji AF on my X-T5.
My xt-3 says hello 🤗 )))))))
Fuuuuuuck, I need to sell my Fuji before stonks go down
I need a troll face gif with that smile 😎
Hi, have you found any clues that could actually lead you to think that the auto focus problem is linked to the X mount?
all the lenses are focusing in steps, stm or lm , same 3rd party lens on fuji has a stepping aperture, on other cameras is stepless, same lens on canon/sony body behaves very differently (better) than on fuji
The video is a masterpiece 🤣🤣🤣
What do you think of the autofocus on the Sony A6100? And in 2024, is it still good value for money, or would you recommend something else?
Any sony after 2014 has good af. And 6100 its very good.
Maan, I'm checking for the next video every 30min 😂
Please keep doing this!
No joke my x-e2 has better autofocus than my x-h2 when the x-h2 had firmware 3.01 and 5.00. 2.01 is better tho
First firmwares were "ok" (still worse than anything you can buy) but not like those new ones wich are trash
This is pure gold… funny AF! 😂😂😂😂 Fuji really needs to put their shit together…
By funny AF, did you mean "funny autofocus" :">?
@@withoutpassid or something else 🫣😋
Exacly my reaction when i see the camera does this 😁
I think you just dropped the song of the summer 🤣
About autofocus,, what do you think, Which one better between those high end apsc cameras? ( Fuji XH2-XH2S /Canon R7/Sony a6700)
a6700 is alien technology
respect! How does one manage to make the focus fail like this? Is this all still serious?
🤣🤣🤣 I was gonna buy the XM5 and some lenses but maybe I’ll just get the camera and keep it manual for video haha
I’ve been runnin around with this song stuck in my head for a week now; could you please release it and give me some peace? 🙏🏼😂
here
suno.com/song/5ad903ab-e86d-470e-8aef-561dd4a63d8a
Excuse me, have this problem with photos?thx
Oh boy, fujirumors will have a war in the comment section
As always… You nailed it 😂❤
Hahah this is awesome. Well said sir! Oh that’s me at 2mins 50s. lol.
you gave me the idea for the intro with the swipping hand haha
@@edvard2942 hahaha :P glad to be of help!
Your bounty just went up
@@revan2549 😂😂
Whew just about to buy a Fuji Xs20. Heck no
Laughs in Sony. It's magic.
Mind blown. 🤯
Nice tune 🎵
you need to call out the fujirumors admin patrick, he is the reason fujfiilm is so behind he keeps making excuses for them
his latest post on the comments he says your video is wrong lol
Patrick is deep in fanboy delusion. Someone needs to give him panasonic with real time LUT so Fuji has no more advantage, later introduce him with addicting AF from CaNiSony
Such fanboys are actually detrimental to business. They cause harm in the long run. Instead of properly addressing the issue, they are going insane in defense mode, making the product appear even worse than it is.