New M18 Gen 2 Mid-Torque vs Gen1: Measuring Power Difference
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Our recommended Mid-Torque link (so far): amzn.to/3l1eezH The new Gen 2 2962-20 boasts higher specs, shorter length and commands a higher price, but does it actually make more power than the Gen 1 2861-20 Milwaukee M18 FUEL Mid-Torque?
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This is the first time I have seen someone show a graph plot of the torque over rpm/time. Like and Subscribed. Love the comparison between the other impacts.
Same here, and same here!
Legit channels do exist. Support them and ignore the regurgitation of other TH-cam videos of just the same repeated information over and over again to get views and money not facts just sponsored by the company that their product is on the the channel at the time
I bought the new one. Honestly, just the lights make a night and day difference in using the tool.
Hehe, night and day
Also also nice job adding the stripe on the socket so we can watch it progress. Really fun revisiting this oldie and seeing how MUCH you guys have learned and how far you've come in just a year. It's like watching Simpsons S1E1 vs something from season 7. What I'm trying to say is that I see fantastic work and I appreciate it.
*Excellent **MyBest.Tools** strong and very maneuverable. Not too heavy*
Crazy how fast technology is moving in cordless tools. Good video 👍🏼
Great video! This is the video that I've been waiting for! Thank you!
Still putting out great content boys. You've come a long way
Great way that you test these tools out.
Love the graphs, keep it up!
Milwaukee is the brand that's really pushing their tools to be the best. You pay for it but you get the performance too.
Still, even with their premium product. You're still far less than the tool truck pricing((automotive))
Dewalt has made real progress too with their brushless tools.i have both and no complaints from either brand.
@@benbradshawjr2856 Yea as a big Milwaukee guy I’ve used my buddies dewalt and they feel great too
@@benbradshawjr2856 Dewalt is really improving their tools lately, and I think they were the first brand to come out with stacked lithium batteries.
@@DiligentDave1966nope flex.
For your comparison chart, I suggest adding noise for air tools and battery life for cordless tools, since they important considerations. Great video.
Great video! Thanks for sharing
Great job! I'm loving your content.
AHA! With a bit a sleuthing through these vids I figured out what I think a lot of us wanna know.. an impact that can tighten to 300 ft lbs torque will loosen a 500 ft lb lug nut. I know TTC said Nut busting numbers cant be compared, but wait a minute. isn't the entire reason for this channels existence cuz tightening torque can't be compared? So TTC created an ARBITRARY base line from which we all derive valuable RELATIVE info. I dont see why the same can't be done re loosening torque. Even if only 1 episode tightening then loosening a nut to see what % of tightening torque is needed to loosen at varies torques to see the curves. In any case this is one of the best channel on you tube and has already saved me form wasting a ton of money.
Holy cow, I subscribed in less than a minute, that's a record.
I'd be really interested in seeing how the smaller 3/8 drive 2960-20 Gen 2 Mid-torque does compared to the 1/2 and the other wrenches. The 2960 would have the added benefit of getting into smaller spaces, but how much torque would be sacrificed on larger nuts when using a quality adapter?
P.S. Best torque videos I've seen on all of youtube. I subscribed and love how you are using empirical data to make very repeatable with answers to the question why.
Also I'm noticing how, since making this video, you've started showing the graphs in real-time more, which I consider a fantastic change.
Great video, great comparison.
Hi, excellent video ty so much, the gen 2 is outstanding and worth the price and the warranty is outstanding also, keep up your excellent quality videos please there extremely appreciated ty, regards, Bob,
Great content the visuals on graphs really make it easy to see the torque curves. I was surprised i thought max torque was achieved within a couple seconds but it is even longer.
I love the cbr1000rr. I always wanted the pearl blue and yellow one. I’ve got a 2005 GSXR 1000. Trying to find the right 2006 like in your pic to add to the garage.
@@jlev505 . I love it. Great unique colors I actually bought it new as leftover in 2007. Has over 70k miles now . Daily rider for commuting nowadays. . You have a nice bike as well i think yours has some more ponies than mine Nothing is better than the 1 liters though . Be safe out there
@@foxwood67 Thank you, sir. Keep the 2 wheels down. Ive got almost 20k on mine. Just moved to Vegas so I’ll be doing a lot more riding. Be safe out there brother.
Great info. Getting that Gen2. Don’t need much more for my work. DIY automotive.
Excited to see the HO battery! My 1st gen mid torque was night and day when switching from the 2.0 to the 6.0 HO.
Yes, there is definitely a difference on impact wrenches depending on Ah battery. Wished more reviews talked about this. I had to find this out the hard way!
I love this channel, thank you for your time! Makita has a weird impact wrench that is not quite mid torque, but also not quite compact. Could you please test the XWT-14Z? Much appreciated!
Hmm yeah that's a weird one. We usually like to compare it to something to see how it competes but dont know where a 250ft-lb 430 nut busting impact fits.
XWT17 is their new mid torque, would be nice to see it compared to this milwuakee
@@macdrew77 It's in the works!
I have the gen 2 3/8 from a couple yrs ago, supposed to be 600 nut busting, imo it seems a bit low. Tbh I dont think its much more powerful then the m12 3/8 stubby, well not 350ftlb better anyway. Little disappointed with that 3/8 m18 cause it got so much hype
I love your channel, and how you've set it up to actually be a demonstration of comparable results instead of just yapping about how comfortable the new grip is, or other trivial crap
Is there a way you could rig up a test for undoing seized bolts/nuts? I'm, no engineer, but I was thinking about having some kind of piston push a clutch-like disk against the flange of a nut to simulate seized-on friction, and be able to dial the piston back if the gun doesn't crack it. I'm not sure if there'd be a way to put that in Nm or ft/lbs, but it could still give you a value (pressure applied) that the gun could overcome so you could compare them directly.
Another great video
I just bought this model and I love it
Have really no need to upgrade for more specific power as I have no issues. But the LED and speed adjust is what's going to get me to
Enough yapping 😂😂😂👌👌👌
We here for the test and results.
Great video
Great channel!!
Great content. What are you using for your data logging and plotting? The graphs look really good.
Did my brakes few weeks ago didn't feel like pulling out the compressor tried the milwaukee 1/4 inch impact driver on the lugs just to see took them off like nothing on a 1500 pickup it did not take off the caliper braket bolts tho this would be perfect for that
got mine (3/8") not long ago and for the low demand uses I have it's great I also use it with 6 AH batteries it might make a different it might not but those what I have for it. I might buy the high torque 1/2" (preferably gen 2 when it will come out) for bigger bolts (above 21 mm) if I see a need, great testing overall.
Do you mean Gen 3 high torque? The Gen 2 has been available for a while
Amazing. Analysis ,,^^
I use the 9ah battery on my milwaukee mid torque 1/2" i love it.
Good video again. Would sure like to see some testing on Kobalt Impacts like the 24-volt max 650-ft-lbs and the Kobalt XTR 24-Volt Max 1,200 ft-lbs.
Can you use adaptors and use different make batteries like a Bosch battery with this drill ? And does that affect torque rating ?
Awesome!
I wish i would have seen this video before I bought my Gen 1 mid torque gun. I did get it clearance sale, but still.
I am considering getting the 3 ah high output pack witht the 21700 cells to compare to the 4 ah packs I currently have for my 2962-20.
Subscribed. I watched the Eric O impact. You guys cracked me up. I humbly admit to buying the HF 1/2" impact. It's top heavy but it has some torque for what I need. I'm working on my 64 Chevy C10 and needed some torque to remove some fasteners. Unless I missed it, have you tested the HF Bauer 1/2" impact? When mine burns up, I may go to the Milwaukee ones. I like the Dewalts too. Keep them coming.
Bauer corded? We picked one up. Bauer cordless? Not yet. DeWalt's coming as well!
@@TorqueTestChannel no I have the Bauer cordless. Thanks for the response.
I like the Gen 2 just for the setting 4.. It stops hamming once it senses the bolt is tight or lose....
Milwaukee does their testing with a hardened 5/8 corse thread bolt. That's probably going to come in pretty close to the rated specs
Even a grade 9 coarse 5/8" thread bolt's max torque spec is 248. The specs of these guns would snap a 5/8" in half.
I'd be interested in seeing a test done on the M12 stubby impacts, they fit in some really tight spots and make decent torque with the 6.0 battery.
Second that and subscribed: great channel 👍
Yest m12 stubby is a lil beast
Theirs one on this channel now, take a peak if you haven’t already.
I shouldn’t have watched this because I have the gen 1 and now I need the new one!
Great job, comment for YT algorithm.
Excellent
Just purchased a 2860-20. Would love to see your input on that impact compared to the Hercules equivalent. I need a junkyard impact 😂
Review! I tried using this impact wrench to drill an auger in the ground like around 4 feet long and the impact got really really hard and it had a little burning smell. I used it continuously for 40 seconds to a minute at a time. Can I damage the wrench if I keep using it like this? I have their gen 3 high impact coming in the mail just in case.
do you test the milwaukee gen-1 in mode 1 or 2? what is the max output for those modes? say i want to torque the lug nuts on my car, if it it doesnt exceed 100 in mode 2 than that will be perfect.
any update?
Incredibly well made video. Very impartial. Just need more enthusiasm, otherwise I feel like I’m on college watching classmates present. Lol
Question suggestions idea. Can you use a torque wrench to set nuts and bolts at actual units then show break away.
I don't understand the value of your test. The reason I say that is all of us have snapped off a nut at the wrong time. Teal world test
This is tool porn! Love this channel. I have both the gen 1 and gen 2 mid torque impacts. The lights near the anvil are so much better. It surrounds the work piece. Love Milwaukee tools. Also have the rigid octane tools as well. Milwaukee has more power but rigid has cool features on octane batteries. Not sure why rigid canceled the octane line? Maybe it was cutting into Milwaukee’s sales? Hopefully, it will show up in Milwaukee’s line since they’re both owned by TTI!
Please ,for you experience what is the best 3/8 drive cordless wrench, thanxalot
Just the video I wanted to see! There's a great deal for the 3/8th and 1/2 drive with a free battery which I plan on returning for a $177, yep for both tools after the battery return.
How do you return the battery i want to try that i already got too many batteries
@Aaron Sanchez Can only do it when you get an extra "free" battery. This would cause a prorated discount spread across both tool bundle and the "free" battery.
This is the same guy who goes to Harbor Freight to try to wheel and deal on their clearance section… whoops
I understand that it would be hard to take your daily driver apart, but aren't you curious how that little battery-powered toy makes so much torque? As an old-school air tool user, I certainly am.
Check out the channel AVE he takes em apart an explains alot and he's funny as hell LoL
Ive always been skeptical bein an air tool user and corded IR impact,but seriously its a relief nowadays cordless tools bein more efficiient with battery power.youll be impressed as i have.
Air tools waste too much electricity filling up the tank and always dealing with leaks, adapters, water in the lines/tanks, oilling and such. And wayyyy too loud. Neighbors don’t like them at 2am. Cordless is the only way anymore. More power, quieter, more portable, wayyy less maintaince and lighter. I’m surprised air tools are still being sold. It doesn’t make any sense. They’re like school in summertime.
@@hardtymz2517 realistically battery powered is the next logical step, at least in shop environments. The only time most of us break out an airline is due to not yet having the battery tool replacement yet. But, I do wonder how the impending lithium wars will impact the market
if i have a 5 amp battery will i get less performance then using 8 amp one ?
The 8.0 battery makes a big difference on the high torque in what i've experienced with it.
Swapping the 5Ah battery out for the 12Ah battery is my way of saying "I wasn't asking."
@@RossLH same here! When my 2863-20 with the 12.0 battery can’t do something, then it’s time for the 1 inch drive Chicago Pneumatic 🤣
What about the 3.0 HO batteries?? Makes the tools way more manageable while delivering the high output. Makes more sense to the hobbyists to go this route. They’re awesome too!
@@hardtymz2517 I use the 3.0 and 8.0 HO batteries at work, every day. Big difference from the old 2.0CP and 5.0xc.
I would absolutely love to see a test of the 6.0 H.O., 8.0 H.O., or 12.0 H.O. on this impact. Milwaukee claims more power from the new battery line. And I thought it was a gimmick but I know I got more power out of my m18 ½" hammer drill. When used with the old style 5.0 battery, it would cut out when I pushed it in 2nd gear and when I put the 6.0 on it, I nearly ended up with a broken wrist not expecting it to keep pushing
:) th-cam.com/video/ky5YRjz9lvc/w-d-xo.html
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you, that explains it. Because I was comparing the 5.0 and the newer 6.0 H.O. on one of the first m18 brushed hammer drills. So being a drill and not an impact, and having a brushed motor vs brushless. Thank you. You got a new subscriber from these two videos
PLEASE do the Dewalt 1/2 Mid Torque (DCF894). I don’t at all expect it to beat these, but I’m really interested nonetheless.
I’d even be willing to send mine in - but it’s seen a couple years of use in a high production shop so it’s pretty well used at this point.
The Dewalt is like running the Milwaukee in 2nd power mode. Its weak vs Milwaukee
Just tested an electric heater that advertised 1500 watts but using a kill-o-watt usage meter, it is only using 1404 watts. Food for thoughts? Heaters? Ac’s?
They all say 1500 watts cuz that's the max mains wattage allowed to an outlet. So they all say it
What was the part number for the gen 1?
I got fed 9 commercials while watching this 8 min power tool video. Same exact commercial, over and over, which was a freaking Kotex commercial.
Really…REALLY! TH-cam’s algorithm thinks best place to sell Kotex is on power tool content…?
I sold the new version a couple months after getting it. I hated the new grip and how front heavy it was.
It's so stupid that manufacturers claim "there's no way to compare torque ratings". That's total BS! Torque is a very scientific and precisely measurable number.
Linear torque is a specific measurable number. Torque as a result of impact blows is measured various ways, we try to cover the oldest and longest standing methodologies here though.
@@TorqueTestChannel Yeah that's true I guess. I Didn't think about the implications of how impact blows could effect the measurements.
You should let them hammer to see if the gen 1 makes the same as gen 2 and at how many seconds
will you guys do a video on the m12 stubby?
Yessir!
Can you do the test with the HO battery?
Yes!
Any plans to test the dcf894 dewalt midtorque?
Yes! Although we don't currently have the max XR battery line here so may take us awhile to do some DeWalt unless a viewer loans us one.
I don’t think u should give a lower score for a product performing higher than expected (claimed torque). The score should be 100points for meeting or exceeding advertised torque. Subtract points the torque below advertised levels. Great video!
That's how it currently is. Think of it as a %. The Gen 2 made 451 ft-lbs, which is 82% of their claimed 550. It made more power than the Gen 1, but it also claims 100ft-lbs higher so it worked out to be less points (%). The Gen 3 compact M18 we tested made 250 and advertised 250, that would be 100 points.
@@TorqueTestChannel sounds good. How would the points be scored if the tool surpassed the “advertised” torque? In the example u mentioned above say 250ft lbs but let’s say u tested it (in this scenario) to have 275ft lbs. Points?
@@todd5082 It would still be a %. So in that case it would be making 110% of the advertised claim, and thus get 110 points. Frankly, there's room in these rankings for an impact to make sort "meh" power but put some super conservative numbers on the box and get a top spot. Like let's say one makes 350 ft-lbs but claims 250. That's 140 pointsand a category where others are making 70-85. A 60 point gain on the others is enough alone to shoot up the ranking quick. Luckily (i suppose) absolutely no one is super conservative with their torque claims - if they were we wouldn't need to run this channel!.
Can you re do this with HO batteries?
I believe that’s what his next video will be
Do the classic IR 231C. Neer seen an actual operating torque test for that gun
Episode 2 :)
@@TorqueTestChannel I did find that episode......thanks
Have you done the milwaukee 3/4 inch one?
Maybe another month or two, but we'll get there!
Put a reverse thread bolt in and test the reverse force and compare the difference
The last two tests are in reverse. Black bolt head is the reverse thread
Compare the M12 stubbys and show the graphs 🤔
There is a channel that has done it and they are super close crap can't remember the name
If you can you should test Milwaukee's stubby M12 1/2" impact.
Will do!
Id like to see the M12 and M18 stubby. Supposedly they make the same power.
Damn...something close to truth in advertising. Shocking.
451 Ttc bcs to ile nm?
tool buyers need to know that there difference between theoretical and actual torque. theoretical is always higher
I used th-cam.com/users/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
"Upgrading" this has little to do with performance. Who is able to tell the few extra torque numbers; very few, I will say. Go get yourself the new one on Ebay out of a kit, for a fraction of the tag price and sell the old one for whatever you can get... Throw-in a battery which you won't need down the way because the new batteries are something anyone should have, regardless of upgrading (high output) and you might even enjoy the new tool without spending a buck. Goodby!
Compare mid torque Milwaukee to DeWalt
The 3/8 mid torque is a huge disappointment waste of money no more power than my M12 stubby never even pull it out of the tool box disgusted with it
Your not using HP batteries bud
Please, please stop showing the tool next to the old IR, then its competitor next to the old IR, **but not them next to each other!!!*
It drives my visual system crazy... 🙄
We often borrow or trade impacts, if we had a standard of showing the subject tools next to each other only, we'd have no size reference when we borrow someone's $900 Snap-On then give it back but later want to show that one's size.