Hoping my TTC boys read this comment, 4 years a go I was a manufacturing engineer at a factory that assembled hydraulic valve bodies. When error proofing our assembly line I worked with Atlas Copco and purchased a similar style of tool. One was a rotary drill that has an integrated torque gauge and a digital screen read out that would automatically stop when the torque was achieved. It could also keep several torque steps in its control box that could be sequenced in an order, so like tightening one bolt to 80 lbft, then the next to 45 lbft without changing any settings on the tool. On our bigger product lines we have higher torque requirements so they introduced us to a impact style wrench like this but rather than having the anvil in the head the motor would pulse rapidly simulating the impacts. It maintained a 2% accuracy setting up to 120 lbft. I tell you all this because I wanted to share that these small drills were an eye watering $8500 EACH and the pulse impace was $11,000. In total I spend about $300,000 of company money investing in this line which is still running today.
I knew it was a matter of time before we’d have this technology. 20 years from now it will be equal value everything else . A good example I tell young people is “ face time “ and flat screen TVs . I still remember a VCR. Being only for wealthy people or atleast a 1000$ in the 80s eventually priced under 100$ even with inflation. Sounds like a good career choice you made , I always had a lot of ideas when it came to innovation inventing which becomes foreshadowing if just an average joe .
Digital torque control. Very cool. But at the same time, I would have imagined something like this is pretty simple. Could the algorithm really require a micro that costs that much?
Holy crap finally someone that knows what Atlas Copco is. My brother works in wixom Atlas and my dad is based in Aburn hills but travels all over. Use to work for Ingersoll Rand. Atlas is miles ahead of everyone. I just wish they made a battery impact wrench that you could adjust for 1foot pounds to 1500ft pound or 1 to 500. But I could be mistaken
I work on the plant maintenance team at a hydraulic cylinder plant, we use Panasonic, Stertivant Richmont and Atlas Copco power torque tools. They are connected to a computer system via wi-fi and can log everything, confirm torque before allowing operator to proceed to next step. High dollar system, that's quite complicated. Crazy to see Milwaukee able to cram it all into a handheld tool
That will easy. The HF 1/2" Earthquake XT composite air impact wrench - 1st use could not even break lug nuts torqued to 105 ft-lbf. Not as bad as their carbon pile tester though.
@@somaday2595one gun that is worth it to use today as it will loosen just about anything and it used to top their rank charts is the Rigid Octane 1/2” high impact. Just mountains of power. I found one online brand new in box a few months ago. The 1/2” octane mid torque is a pretty good one as well with the sheer amount of RPM it makes
I think HF knows what is up, and theses guys know business. How else could they have stayed in business. In fact, gentlemen, they actually deserve a standing ovation for hanging in there so long. They don't claim to be anything they're not, and that shows that honesty can take you a long way. I know what I'm getting with harbor freight. They also have tools the other guys don't carry because the cost is too high. HF makes a powered auger just like the kind Roto Rooter or other pros use. It works just as good. $250.00 or $1250.00+. I worked at a complex that was 335 units and it was perfect. There is a lot of exceptional tools at HF.
recently i searched for a specific term/machine for weaving textils, low and behold i recognized the shown locations and machines, because these unknown to me company showed their process with our machines in our facilities. wellllll
Do you have any data to show how I can install solar and make it economically sound. Everything I look at the numbers just don't add up. My research leads me to a cogen syngas system.
I am an electrician who has done some solar and other things with tons of the same bolts needing the same torque spec (in the thousands per week range). This tool, had it been around back then, is something I would have bought WITH MY OWN MONEY if the company wouldn't buy it for us. $1400 is dirt cheap for something that can save you such an insane amount of work for repetitive drive/torque swaps. Even if I had to recalibrate it every 100 bolts or so. This is so much cheaper. better. and all around compact than any other solution I have ever seen for something like this. If you have to climb multiple 80'-200' platforms daily, this thing will save you so much time and headache. The only downside I can see is it doesn't go to 350Ft/Lbs, some DPs and other panels clock in around 300-335 range. I still think im gonna buy the tool, just for side solar jobs.
Been DYING for you guys to test the new Torque-Sense impacts! Watching now! EDIT: That was WAY more complicated than I anticipated. What a fascinating tool. Interested in the issues with different battery types. Wonder if that will be something addressed in a software update. GREAT video guys. Thanks!
The manual guide points out the tool needs to be calibrated with the type of battery to be used, but in the forge's case not only did it never get dialed in, when you put an XC5.0 on the tool calibrated using the Forge it went back to being spot on, which i can't help but think is not just a coincidence.
@@TorqueTestChannel I wonder if they are reading voltage drop as one of the variables, and the flex volt batteries just don't drop and it freaks the tool out. The impact is reigned in a little vs the normal one, so it may just not pull enough current to get the expected drop.
Tool should have some warning when uncalibrated battery is used. Lock out would make sense but maybe warning lights and a buzzer would be enough... As a user I don't love lockouts or dependency on a phone app as they obsolete quickly. Still awesome tool for some industrial use.
@@dosgos What I am saying below is that battery calibration is likely beyond the capability of the hardware they actually have in the tool and they're lying about the ability for it to calibrate because it was deemed "close enough" when in reality it's not so battery calibration is likely done to a "standard" which in this case is the XC5.0, it would explain the behavior exhibited by the tool and they should just get rid of the language that states you can use different batteries with it because the target market will follow the rules or they'll pay anyway. Ideally they would calibrate for all batteries at least within their brand and line but this isn't exactly a high volume product as it's targeted and priced for enterprise and fleet purchase and those generally come with some variation on "use the bog standard battery line only." in their agreement language. It's probably calibrated for the XC5.0 because at $1400 they hand you 3 XC5.0s and say "Only use XC5.0's" and it's a binding warranty voidable agreement (not that they necessarily WOULD but they could). Also given the space constraints the XC5.0s is probably what is best optimized in terms of RPM and ga-dungas and the data produced for the little microprocessors to do all their math and stop it more or less on a dime like that for the torque-sense to be able to hit the specs they are claiming. That said I overall agree that they should have some sort of lockout or warning system that is on by default that can be disabled for non-calibrated batteries that informs you "Your torque sense no longer works, check with an additional properly calibrated torque wrench. Also you're potentially voiding your warranty if you wish to continue please hit this button 3 times"
We had a machine that torqued down semi-trailer bolts to 475, 500, and 525ft-lbs based on the selection switch the operator selected designed by Six Sigma. We had a brilliant technician come in and trained us to install new torque transducers and explained in the most basic form of how a computer calculates torque on this particular machine. He said that in layman's terms that it had wires run parallel as well as perpendicular in a certain number of directions attached to points on the frame that twists or compresses during the application of torque. He said that when a wire stretches it becomes thinner and when it compresses, it expands. During expansion and thinning of the wire it's resistance changes and it is measured by the controller and calculated (the formula was proprietary apparently)! I thought it was the fascinating thing that someone thought of that one day as a way to measure torque. I was also told that the flexibility of the frame being twisted and compressed changes the formula, which has to be calibrated for each type of material!
That formula is not proprietary! What that tech described is a basic load cell and the formula is in every Mech. Eng. textbook. All anyone would have to do is do some measurements and get data to calibrate it. They tell you it's proprietary when it's something simple because they know it would be easy to copy haha.
Load cells are pretty simple. When it gets thinner, the resistance gets higher and the voltage gets lower. Trying to get precise control using load cells is a bit more math heavy and may require a bit of trial and error.
Got dropped a Milwaukee from our tool supplier. No markings or stickers, just a serial code on the top behind the metal nose. We were only told to “Try and break it, and let me know what you think”. Hasn’t been released yet, apparently, not a Milwaukee connoisseur myself.
@@TorqueTestChannel It’s a 1/2” impact. It’s a little more “rounded ” in shape., same kind of power. I’ll send a photo over. We use the M18 Gen 2 1/2 High Torque (I think), and it’s similar to that.
The k factor is why I exclusively use digital torque wrenches, if it shows 5 or 10 lbs of force effort just to turn it, you can add that to your desired torque to come up with a more accurate procedure
Run a gauge. R&R, the difference between your digital torque wrench and a conventional are nil. The digital advantage is that it logs each event, so you can document and make sure excessive torque was not applied.
@@otm646 He's saying it reads live torque, which tells him before tightening if the hardware itself is taking 5-10 ft-lbs to move then a 100 ft-lbs spec is likely going to be looser than normal.
@@otm646 also I have to take issue with your statement, in tests click type torque wrenches are usually not as accurate. Also when dealing with tty and tta fasteners how you get to your final torque can differ as well. For instance with my digital wrenches I usually hold the wrench at final torque for five seconds to allow for a more consistent result. Don't let the duck pajamas fool you, I rebuild about 6 engines a month
I'm one of those geniuses who use the lightest possible dab of Neverseize on things. Including wheel studs. In 30 years of changing tires twice a year, my torque wrench has never found a problem. I started doing this after my father had a brand new GM car, and even with my breaker bar, neither of us could get one bolt off. I've also found the vast majority of authorized dealers and tire shops are literally sometimes 2x factory torque. And using NeverSeize on exhaust pipes lets them come apart by hand, even a decade old. No more saws on rusted parts. The trick is, use it like Scrooge McDuck.
Instead of flashing light to find it, it needs like a little beeper or siren to find it. For $1400 I'd almost expect to have a GPS locator built in. lol
"The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." - Montgomery Scott, Chief Engineer If you're gonna do it, skip the spinning wheels and make it compatible with all of your batteries. Instead of RBG LED's, give me a tracker that will perform the same function, as well as aid in the event the tool is stolen(you're well into felony area with this one*). Also, having to do a 10-step calibration each time you use a different battery type or different hardware? Pass. edit*: Different states have different values for felony theft, thought they were all > $1000.
The market for a tech like this is literally immense. Put a small camera in it to read QR codes that set it to these pre sets and it will sell in immense quantities. Especially if they make a scaled down version that does in lbs and in oz. And if it also had a mode that accounts for running torque... Milwaukee would probably take over the manufacturing market.
If you re-use the same (especially small size) fastener over and over it's going to increasingly get out of spec in measurement over the course of a day. The only way to eliminate this is to use a bolt way over qualified for the torque setting (like we did on most tests) or swap out the hardware often (like we did on the M14 hardware). Their set up guide even explains this with new hardware, so it's strange their PIPELINE exhibit ignores it. The same thing would happen to a 100% accurate torque wrench used in that same exhibit all day, it's the hardware stretching and getting worn. So really just a bad demo vs a bad tool. Save for the weird FORGE stuff I doubt they are advertising.
@@TorqueTestChannel If you use a fastener that is way over qualified for the torque, it won't be properly torqued. If properly torqued, the fastener will not exceed it's elastic limit and will not permanently stretch.
@cathotmailcom For a demo, i think using a larger bolt that's not taken all the way to spec to show repeatability is still a good idea. A bolt torqued once to spec will not be deformed or damaged. One several times, and if run over and over and heated, will. Our 1" thread grade 9 bolts are rarely if ever taken beyond their yield point with tools on this channel, and yet we have to cycle them out based on stretch and thread fitment with the nut nearly every 4-6 weeks because data starts to become worse. We get a very live daily look at bolt tension vs bolt wear running this channel.
Thanks for showing how this tool REALLY works, how it has to be set up, etc. etc. This is the review and analysis I was waiting for & searching high & low for. Bless you!!!🙏
As a former tools salesman, it is amazing how One Key revolutionized tool security. Assigning distance limitations for jobsites blew my mind, aside from all the other operating settings. So much to remember. In Australia however for some reason there is a lot of Milwaukee stuff that never makes it here, for weird trade reasons.
NYC union electrician apprentice. This is honestly a pretty cool tool. This is would come in handy when I do switch gear/ other assembly’s that have torque specs
No idea if you guys would be able to get ahold of one, but I used to work at a port processing facility for a Toyota distributor here in the U. S and we used Atlas copco Versions of this tool that were very accurate and recorded every torque to a cloud server that would have a report run on it twice a day The torque wrenches had barcode scanners Built-in and we also had tools They called nut runners, which are very similar to a cordless ratchet. They would run down the bolt or nut and then tighten to a predetermined torque. Really cool part was that they could have jobs programmed into them. Where scanning one barcode would start the job. And then the tool would change its own settings to tighten things in the correct order. For example, some of the running boards we installed had 6 bolts. At thirty two foot pounds and four bolts at forty five foot pounds (making up numbers because I don't remember actual specs) And The tool would know the correct tightening pattern to go over each bolt with the correct torque and then recheck In the same pattern again Overall, super cool tools. But I believe the cheapest one we had was in the neighborhood of $16000. And one of the large impacts that was called a pulse gun, which was used for installing wheels, ran upwards of $30000 per unit
I could see this being extremely valuable for a production crew that's doing the same thing day in and day out. Setup looks tedious, but once set up it seems like it would be a great tool for specific tasks.
It's actually useless for those crews because it doesn't hold any sort of certification. For your racking manufacture warranty you need to follow their torque procedure that includes using calibrated instrumentation. If Milwaukee will not provide a cal cert it's no good to you.
Hilti has a torque module with a barcode reader. You scan the code on a Hilti fastener box and it sets itself to the required specs. I've had it refusing to work with cold batteries before though. I'm guessing it reads amps and couldn't be accurate in those temperatures.
This tool is neat and all... but I'm very very confused why it's being advertised with solar farms in mind lol. There are so many applications this tool could be used for, but SOLAR FARMS is the one that got the ball rolling and made it a reality? ok.
@@kylem8666 Oh I have no doubts, here in Florida it's huge money, the state gives you 10 grand off your install and 100 companies have popped up to put home systems in. Funnily enough you're not allowed to "hoard" your electricity, you have to feed it back into the system and let the grid use your power bank in an outtage, I don't know the technicalities but it's kind of peculiar... I drive about 45 miles to work and go past multiple "solar fields" so I'm sure it's big money. The issue is... there's a lot of big money projects out there, and I still don't get why an impact driver that torques pretty close to spec was finally made for these solar farms. There's so many industries that could benefit from a tool like this it seems like they would've gladly made it long ago.
Should've put a camera on it with a code reader. For assembly and code reading mode, it would be a game changer to just set the torque using a QR code.
19:37 I hated when that happened to me, back when I had my shop. The bill of the ball cap blocks your view of things like tires and if you're tall (6'2" here) and rushed (I owned a 3-bay shop with just two techs besides myself, so I was always trying to keep that extra bay paying for itself, and answer phones in the office too) you often found yourself like this. Knocked myself out cold one time.
I was super tired one day and slammed my head on a truck hitch. Luckily I didn't feel anything because it put me to sleep, but I had a migraine for two days. Now I walk around trucks like they're a snake about to bite me.
Industrial use seems neat. One problem I see is smartphone integration. Metrology where I am would want a tool that doesn't need to be integrated to a personal computer, and be all in one with the device.
That's a really interesting solution and could be hugely beneficial for repetitive tasks, but dangerous in that you need to really understand how it works.
Torque wrench impacts do exist for the production of very high end and regulated industries (aerospace, medical, etc.) but usually retail for well into 5 figures each
I was going to say why doesn't someone make that. Basically something with tech like this so it can stop before the desired torque, then with a long handle and a strain gauge so it can be hand tightened to the final number. If it's just for tightening and not going to stupidly high numbers (unless by hand) then it wouldn't need to be as powerful and the head could be smaller and lighter than a typical mid torque.
not exactly, but i like your idea! The Impacts im talking about look like a normal impact gun, but they connected to a manufacturing software that manages the assembly steps and guides you through the production. @@HomoKieran
This is a tool to be used by professionals that tighten the same bolts over and over on a daily basis, in that setting it's probably good, but for us every day shade tree mechanics, this is way overpriced and overly complicated
Yes!!!! I’ve been waiting for a review of these torque control guns ever since I saw them listed in their website several months back. Don’t get me wrong I can’t afford one but I was still wanting to see them tested.
Good stuff - probably a bit above what I need for my car repairs. On retirement, I decided to make my life easier, and bought tools I had previously avoided or decided were too fancy/expensive for the likes of me. One of these, was a 3/4 inch Milwaukee battery-powered impact driver. In the UK it cost me about £450 with the rubber dust cover, and came with two fairly hefty battery packs and a charger. The solitary reason for buying, was that I realised some of the very hard-rusted nuts and bolts on cars, don’t really undo with ‘slow’ undoing very well. By the time you’ve hammered and sprayed and messed about, the end you cannot see has come loose, and you then need both hands and another spanner etc…easy for an octopus i suppose. Being able to loosen an awkward rusted large-diameter suspension or subframe bolt, from one side only, is a fantastic boost during difficult jobs under a car. It was worth it, yet I only grab it about twice during an entire repair, it does something that nothing else can. The singular negative, is it is harder to get a big 3/4 inch Milwaukee impactor into a space sometimes, but I manage with various couplings and so on. I’d have got the half-inch but this is literally what i say to my family is the ‘big dog’ and so it absolutely had to do the very hardest jobs, being able to fit into slightly smaller spaces, was a secondary aspect. Good vid, take care all, be safe.
The problem is a tool is only as good as its battery. My boss buys nothing but Milwaukee products, over the years I’ve watched him go through a lot of batteries with a high failure rate. I, on the other hand bought 4 20 volt max Dewalt batteries in 2013 that I use with all my tools. They all still work great and still have great capacity.
OOOH, I'd be super interested in seeing a vid comparing this gun to the likes of Cleco or Panasonic Industrial. Obviously those will have trouble hitting the peak numbers this does due to being designed for low wrist-breaking scores, but seeing how close Milwaukee gets to the industrial standards would be neat.
I litterally don't buy impact wrench until you review it. And your voice is so soothing. I have a couple milwaukees but my dad works for Atlas Copco and I have alot of those. Also a bunch of Ingersoll Rand because he worked for them for a while. If it wasn't for him i wouldn't have anything becuase I'm a loser.
Pass and a half. Maybe if you are repeatedly doing the same task, same fastener, same job all day long. But for someone who has to do 3-8 fasterers then swap, the whole 10 step calibration kills the utility. By the time it’s calibrated you’ll have already used your TQ wrench and gone for coffee
yeah, this is pretty much a manufacturing only impact. that being said it will easily pay for itself installing bolts that would otherwise require impact+ turn of nut, or impact+torque wrench method. especially compared to expensive DC pulse tools which can range into $40,000.
For high end and high volume commercial use, where you need semi precise torqing, it can be worth it. Just like the Hilti concrete screws. A single screw can cost 50 bucks. But you only have to drill into the concrete, and then set the screw. No cleaning, not brushing, no anchor, it just works. And if you then count, how many screws a single worker can set per day, it becomes competitive. A day of contractor is ~1000 bucks. If he does just 10% more work per day, it becomes a thing.
Milwaukee should put a Mercedes emblem on that thing 😂. Never thought about the need for that specific tool out in the solar fields like that. Very interesting. I enjoyed the look into that and all the details inside. Thanks!
As technology marches on, agri-pv (solar modules above fields) and solar canopy type installations are becoming more popular. And if people drive/work/walk below the install, red tape will increase and awareness for loose fasteners etc.
Tools aimed to companies not regular customers , Makita assembly line tools also are over £€$ 1000 each , they A series batteries stop when they hit 25% charge and you can time lock batteries .
It's all about sucking the money out of the green agenda, massive government subsidized money pit, corruption, because government. This thing is a 500 dollar tool. Wait a year and pick it up at the bankruptcy auction, just like Solyndra.
As a professional mechanic, I can't see enough of an advantage to make up for the cost of the tool and the time to calibrate for all the different conditions I might use it. Niche tool, for which $1,300 worth of torque wrenches is more useful and probably quicker than a programmable impact. Cool idea though.
I can see this working on windmills or solar farms where it could make the same torque on hundreds on bolts. Plus set in truck and get to it. Find a ridgid r86312?
Being it's just an anvil swap, not enough for us to want to make a full video on it since it's not currently like a TOP 1/2" but maybe if another 3/4" comes out too. 3/4" is not super popular among most of you guys
3/4 falls under the weird: too big for most road going vehicles but too small for most stationary plant equipment. They get used pretty extensively in the earthmoving and agricultural maintenance world however.
Yeah we’re paying 3 to 7 times this amount for IR’s industrial impacts or transducer pistols and Atlas pulse stuff. When you start getting into anything with the torque control money goes out the window haha
The tech in that is crazy. Its crazy what you can do with electronics. Its crazy cuz all they have to do is change the app software to make the forge batts be on target. It would be nice though if they had some sort of sync feature where it shows through a blink of light or something that it remembers your current project settings incase you have issues with your phone or forgot to bring it with you
I love this. I screw into studs from time to time if like my wife wants a shelf put in. This can definitely do it,as well as the occasional ikea bookshelf build.
This was a blast! Thank you. I just put up a steel building where I had to use the mark the nuts and twist it another third turn method. This would have been helpful. It may not have had the juice to do what I did, since I had to use a 40" breaker bar with an 1.25 inch socket on my bolts.
when i first started in the trade, our most powerful impact was an absurdly heavy IR spline drive monster with a 1" feed hose. it's amazing to see the power coming out of some of these electric ones, though 95% of the time we just rattle the bolts until they stop moving. every once in a while i'll get on a job with lejeune bolts and a tone gun, but it's been a few years since i've seen those. i wonder if this latest impact from milwaukee will kill off the lejeune bolts? would be nice to never roll an ankle over a snapped-off bolt nipple again!
I was eyeballing this when they were revealing new tools. Some channels briefly mentioned it, but zero details. Just imagine how good Milwaukee can make a Gen2 in a few years if it’s already this good! Price it $100 or so more than the standard impact and it will sell like hot cakes!!!
I need an adjustable wrench showdown, for grandpas sake. Bahco/snap-on vs channellock vs whatever else is out there. Maybe even throw the knipex pliers wrench on there since everyone in the comments would be saying to use that instead anyway.
Would be awesome in a shop for lug nuts and the like, but with whats been outlined in the video its sounds like a far greater hassle than what its really worth. Probably more one of those products to more keep an eye on until its a better sorted tool.
This reminds me of motorsport pit guns. They often use a clutch in the drive to slip once it gets to a certain torque number (as well as other design features like the socket and lug nut being designed to throw the gun off once it hits the correct torque)
Torque setting are good to keep in mind. But for $1400? Maybe Big Red is being forward thinking here. The 1/2 drivers are out of control with power so it is easy to do some damage on moderately sized bolts.
@2:33 price isn't that bad for an electronic torque impact/wrench. There are several companies that make those for industrial settings and most of their tools are orders of magnitude more expensive.
At first I thought wheel/tire shops will certainly rush to bring these in. Then I remembered I'm a lawyer, and instead I think they will be banned for a while by the legal departments of shops, or at least they will require confirmation with a standard torque wrench. There are still too many factors that can result in under-torqueing, especially since different batteries (or age of battery, likely as well) give different results. Until these come with a certificate guaranteeing +/- 4% or better like standard torque wrenches come with, the lawyers for end users will say you can't defend using these instead of standard torque wrenches in a lawsuit for the wheels coming off a vehicle. If it turns out that these significantly drift off of accurate over time, or that guys aren't being super careful to ALWAYS use the correct setting (they'll have to know the nut size and the thread count and pitch of every car), tire companies would have to do massive recalls to retorque the nuts of every car that came into the shop since they bought these tools. If over time they see that this is not at all a problem, then the economics of the time savings will overcome the fear of litigation/recalls.
Could you do a test on the 'Festool TID 18 H PC Cordless Impact Driver' it is only $100 more then Milwaukee's closest item (the Milwaukee 2953-22 which comes with 2 5.0Ah Lithium Ion Batteries and a case) I wonder if the festool quality on corded woodworking tools will carry over to battery more mechanic/contractor focused tools and be a good competitor with Milwaukee and dewalt . thanks
Not typically a Milwaukee fan (not since the good ol' days, anyway), been a dewalt guy through the 2000s, but this thing's legitimately enticing, and sexy. The accuracy of torque was genuinely impressive, like that was pretty damn close to manual twist-handle torque-wrench accuracy, if not exceeding it even. If I ever find myself in a position of being able to piss away $1500 (after tax) and not miss it, I think I may well fetch one.
I mean since it has a brushless motor they could actually be doing physics calculations based off of hammer speed ( and known weight) vs anvil distance moved so that they are actually measuring the amount of torque applied which would explain why the actual bolt tension changed so much with the unlubed fastener because the same amount of torque applied to an unlubed fastener vs a lubed one will result in significantly different bolt tension. This is why you should always follow the instructions when torqueing anything worth measuring the torque of especially with regard to lube vs no lube and lube should only be used if deliberately specified by the engineer. This is also why engineers should expressly state whether to lube and what type of lube to use for anything critical.
While very expensive, if you're a professional and have spent hundreds on an impact wrench and hundreds on a nice trusty torque wrench that you are constantly using, for a few hundred more thrown on your business credit account, I'd say if this thing holds up it is a HUGE time saver and improves quality of life in a way that outweighs the price point.
Damn straight. Makita have had this precision this for years now in their 14.4v Assembly line tools, with simple software programmable by USB on the handle. As much as us Makita guys may want some things Milwaukee offers, this is definitely an instance where Milwaukee should stay in their lane.
@@cpzmelbs Do you mean if Makita stayed in their own lane? For the most part they do, and they go "offroading" with their innovation sometimes, and at times it's thrilling and exciting, but many times it's very bumpy in some people's minds and thus criticized. Makita for instance doesn't make press tools, Linemans crimpers, linesman's cutters, and other items because they have certain smaller trade specific companies like Huskie, Rothenberger, Einhell, SuperVac, etc utilizing their batteries. Sometimes they make available a Makita branded version of that companies tools, like they do with Ogura (rebar cutter and steel hole punch) and Huck (large Huck Rivet gun), but many times they allow the use of their batteries so the companies can focus on the tools and not the battery rails and management. I wish they would actively advertise partners who utilize the batteries.
A lot of people talking about "technology" here... considering the gun is using a hall effect sensor to figure out what the final torque is and the fact consumers have been able to spend 50 bucks to get an Arduino pcb for over a decade which allows you to hook up sensors, write code, use wifi, it goes on and on and on.... Milwaukee has just been shamefully cheap and waited for 15 to 20 years to drop this product until they could do it for $5 per tool to turn around and charge you $1100. This could've existed in 2005 no problem, skipping the phone app, they would've just had to spent $20 per wrench to make the tech happen.
Seen a guy on reddit arguing that this thing wasn’t worth its cost at all, couldn’t imagine why a normal impact would cost that much! Yeah, over about 10 comments of his, and multiple people replying and correcting him, he couldn’t figure out that this was more of a “torque wrench” than an impact, poor guy.
when I used to be a mechanic I'll get the torque right with the impact gun 99.5% of the time, and for that 0.5% I still tightened all bolts with the torque wrench It doesn't matter how much experience you have, if you didn't check it with the right tool then you're still liable
Milwaukee has everyone beat when it comes to cordless tools. Snap on ect... so glad I left ingersoll rand yrs ago for milwaukee. My yard tools and mechanic tools run off the same batteries!💪🏾
The 24V Army DC Aircraft Dynamics Roboimpact 2201 wrench used on tanks (hence the high amp slave cable connection) would be an interesting torque test.
for the first time since i started watching this channel you have going way over my head. with your engineering specs. wish there was just plain English to help explain what you where trying to tell us.
They came to my job at Hilbish ford and let use test out there Electric air hammer and man that shit was nuts it was more powerful the an actual air hammer coolest tool I’ve ever seen
Now a days a guy has to know how gun when useing it in critical situations..I run a mid torque milwaukee for most stuff under vechile,and the new m18 compact 1/4 in driver for topside type stuff.and latley since buying the fuel 3/8 drive high speed ratchet, I've been hard pressed to not have that in my hands. This new gun is very interesting..
Looks like Milwaukee could be trying to step into Ingersoll Rand's higher output QX family of tools with this one. Alot of the features (tool finding, guide light adjustment, and color indication of rundown complete/incomplete to name a few). The 3062 seems to bridge the gap of where something like their QXXD2PT family of tools stops (at 18Nm I believe) and where their higher output D5AT right angle tools start. Granted, unless you are using the optional ETS function on the QXs you won't get anything like the impact function that the Milwaukee offers. The QXX do target the set torque from initial setting unlike the Milwaukee so you won't have to profile them. You won't see any output above 80Nm on the QXXs unless you add a separate torque multiplier on them, and by the time you have one installed and the tool's internal transducer range adjusted for the multiplier on the end, you'd be looking at roughly double the cost of the Milwaukee. From TTCs video, the mobile app looks similar to ICS connect (Ingersoll Rand's equivalent). Though the repeatability seems to suffer, and the fact that you have to run hardware profiles prior to running your actual application. I'd sooner stick with the old fashioned torque wrench if doing automotive lugs. I can see the benefit of the 3602 though in certain applications. Though in most of the applications I can think of, you could probably do the same job for cheaper depending on your assembly requirements.
Hoping my TTC boys read this comment,
4 years a go I was a manufacturing engineer at a factory that assembled hydraulic valve bodies. When error proofing our assembly line I worked with Atlas Copco and purchased a similar style of tool. One was a rotary drill that has an integrated torque gauge and a digital screen read out that would automatically stop when the torque was achieved. It could also keep several torque steps in its control box that could be sequenced in an order, so like tightening one bolt to 80 lbft, then the next to 45 lbft without changing any settings on the tool. On our bigger product lines we have higher torque requirements so they introduced us to a impact style wrench like this but rather than having the anvil in the head the motor would pulse rapidly simulating the impacts. It maintained a 2% accuracy setting up to 120 lbft.
I tell you all this because I wanted to share that these small drills were an eye watering $8500 EACH and the pulse impace was $11,000. In total I spend about $300,000 of company money investing in this line which is still running today.
I knew it was a matter of time before we’d have this technology. 20 years from now it will be equal value everything else . A good example I tell young people is “ face time “ and flat screen TVs . I still remember a VCR. Being only for wealthy people or atleast a 1000$ in the 80s eventually priced under 100$ even with inflation. Sounds like a good career choice you made , I always had a lot of ideas when it came to innovation inventing which becomes foreshadowing if just an average joe .
Digital torque control. Very cool. But at the same time, I would have imagined something like this is pretty simple. Could the algorithm really require a micro that costs that much?
Holy crap finally someone that knows what Atlas Copco is. My brother works in wixom Atlas and my dad is based in Aburn hills but travels all over. Use to work for Ingersoll Rand. Atlas is miles ahead of everyone. I just wish they made a battery impact wrench that you could adjust for 1foot pounds to 1500ft pound or 1 to 500. But I could be mistaken
@@JakePlisskin12 Atlas Copco is world renown top stuff. We mentioned on the channel two videos ago on vintage tools
I work on the plant maintenance team at a hydraulic cylinder plant, we use Panasonic, Stertivant Richmont and Atlas Copco power torque tools. They are connected to a computer system via wi-fi and can log everything, confirm torque before allowing operator to proceed to next step. High dollar system, that's quite complicated. Crazy to see Milwaukee able to cram it all into a handheld tool
"Just to keep Harbour Freight on their toes" 😂😂😂
That will easy. The HF 1/2" Earthquake XT composite air impact wrench - 1st use could not even break lug nuts torqued to 105 ft-lbf. Not as bad as their carbon pile tester though.
@@somaday2595one gun that is worth it to use today as it will loosen just about anything and it used to top their rank charts is the Rigid Octane 1/2” high impact. Just mountains of power. I found one online brand new in box a few months ago. The 1/2” octane mid torque is a pretty good one as well with the sheer amount of RPM it makes
I think HF knows what is up, and theses guys know business. How else could they have stayed in business. In fact, gentlemen, they actually deserve a standing ovation for hanging in there so long. They don't claim to be anything they're not, and that shows that honesty can take you a long way. I know what I'm getting with harbor freight. They also have tools the other guys don't carry because the cost is too high. HF makes a powered auger just like the kind Roto Rooter or other pros use. It works just as good. $250.00 or $1250.00+. I worked at a complex that was 335 units and it was perfect. There is a lot of exceptional tools at HF.
I'm an engineer at Gamechange Solar, and never would I have guessed that Milwaukee shown images of our racking solution in their advertisements.
recently i searched for a specific term/machine for weaving textils, low and behold i recognized the shown locations and machines, because these unknown to me company showed their process with our machines in our facilities. wellllll
Oh wait you guys mean like proprietary systems leaked without permission type things going on?
I wonder if it's durable. Will the electronics survive falls or a bit of moisture ?
You’re a liar.
Do you have any data to show how I can install solar and make it economically sound. Everything I look at the numbers just don't add up. My research leads me to a cogen syngas system.
I am an electrician who has done some solar and other things with tons of the same bolts needing the same torque spec (in the thousands per week range). This tool, had it been around back then, is something I would have bought WITH MY OWN MONEY if the company wouldn't buy it for us. $1400 is dirt cheap for something that can save you such an insane amount of work for repetitive drive/torque swaps. Even if I had to recalibrate it every 100 bolts or so. This is so much cheaper. better. and all around compact than any other solution I have ever seen for something like this. If you have to climb multiple 80'-200' platforms daily, this thing will save you so much time and headache.
The only downside I can see is it doesn't go to 350Ft/Lbs, some DPs and other panels clock in around 300-335 range. I still think im gonna buy the tool, just for side solar jobs.
Been DYING for you guys to test the new Torque-Sense impacts! Watching now! EDIT: That was WAY more complicated than I anticipated. What a fascinating tool. Interested in the issues with different battery types. Wonder if that will be something addressed in a software update. GREAT video guys. Thanks!
The manual guide points out the tool needs to be calibrated with the type of battery to be used, but in the forge's case not only did it never get dialed in, when you put an XC5.0 on the tool calibrated using the Forge it went back to being spot on, which i can't help but think is not just a coincidence.
@@TorqueTestChannel I wonder if they are reading voltage drop as one of the variables, and the flex volt batteries just don't drop and it freaks the tool out. The impact is reigned in a little vs the normal one, so it may just not pull enough current to get the expected drop.
Tool should have some warning when uncalibrated battery is used. Lock out would make sense but maybe warning lights and a buzzer would be enough... As a user I don't love lockouts or dependency on a phone app as they obsolete quickly. Still awesome tool for some industrial use.
@@dosgos What I am saying below is that battery calibration is likely beyond the capability of the hardware they actually have in the tool and they're lying about the ability for it to calibrate because it was deemed "close enough" when in reality it's not so battery calibration is likely done to a "standard" which in this case is the XC5.0, it would explain the behavior exhibited by the tool and they should just get rid of the language that states you can use different batteries with it because the target market will follow the rules or they'll pay anyway.
Ideally they would calibrate for all batteries at least within their brand and line but this isn't exactly a high volume product as it's targeted and priced for enterprise and fleet purchase and those generally come with some variation on "use the bog standard battery line only." in their agreement language. It's probably calibrated for the XC5.0 because at $1400 they hand you 3 XC5.0s and say "Only use XC5.0's" and it's a binding warranty voidable agreement (not that they necessarily WOULD but they could).
Also given the space constraints the XC5.0s is probably what is best optimized in terms of RPM and ga-dungas and the data produced for the little microprocessors to do all their math and stop it more or less on a dime like that for the torque-sense to be able to hit the specs they are claiming. That said I overall agree that they should have some sort of lockout or warning system that is on by default that can be disabled for non-calibrated batteries that informs you "Your torque sense no longer works, check with an additional properly calibrated torque wrench. Also you're potentially voiding your warranty if you wish to continue please hit this button 3 times"
Freakin sweet.
What are you doing here? :)
This Jerry man has good taste in tools and tool review TH-camrs.
well, well, well, a tool connoisseur too!
Does it scratch at a level 6?
We had a machine that torqued down semi-trailer bolts to 475, 500, and 525ft-lbs based on the selection switch the operator selected designed by Six Sigma. We had a brilliant technician come in and trained us to install new torque transducers and explained in the most basic form of how a computer calculates torque on this particular machine. He said that in layman's terms that it had wires run parallel as well as perpendicular in a certain number of directions attached to points on the frame that twists or compresses during the application of torque. He said that when a wire stretches it becomes thinner and when it compresses, it expands. During expansion and thinning of the wire it's resistance changes and it is measured by the controller and calculated (the formula was proprietary apparently)! I thought it was the fascinating thing that someone thought of that one day as a way to measure torque. I was also told that the flexibility of the frame being twisted and compressed changes the formula, which has to be calibrated for each type of material!
Sounds like it has a basic wheatstone bridge load cell. That's the basis of most load cell measurement and even some pressure sensors.
That formula is not proprietary! What that tech described is a basic load cell and the formula is in every Mech. Eng. textbook. All anyone would have to do is do some measurements and get data to calibrate it. They tell you it's proprietary when it's something simple because they know it would be easy to copy haha.
Load cells are pretty simple. When it gets thinner, the resistance gets higher and the voltage gets lower. Trying to get precise control using load cells is a bit more math heavy and may require a bit of trial and error.
Aint six sigma a tool for reducing scrap?
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Got dropped a Milwaukee from our tool supplier. No markings or stickers, just a serial code on the top behind the metal nose. We were only told to “Try and break it, and let me know what you think”. Hasn’t been released yet, apparently, not a Milwaukee connoisseur myself.
What type of tool?
@@TorqueTestChannel It’s a 1/2” impact. It’s a little more “rounded ” in shape., same kind of power. I’ll send a photo over. We use the M18 Gen 2 1/2 High Torque (I think), and it’s similar to that.
@@dieselhatz4247 yeah sent us a pic TorqueTestChannel@gmail.com
Better yet send them the tool :)
@@Feldmarshall12yeah, jeopardize your exclusive early tool access for some dude on the internet who won't give you shit for it;
Good idea😊
The k factor is why I exclusively use digital torque wrenches, if it shows 5 or 10 lbs of force effort just to turn it, you can add that to your desired torque to come up with a more accurate procedure
Run a gauge. R&R, the difference between your digital torque wrench and a conventional are nil. The digital advantage is that it logs each event, so you can document and make sure excessive torque was not applied.
@@otm646 He's saying it reads live torque, which tells him before tightening if the hardware itself is taking 5-10 ft-lbs to move then a 100 ft-lbs spec is likely going to be looser than normal.
@@otm646 also I have to take issue with your statement, in tests click type torque wrenches are usually not as accurate. Also when dealing with tty and tta fasteners how you get to your final torque can differ as well. For instance with my digital wrenches I usually hold the wrench at final torque for five seconds to allow for a more consistent result. Don't let the duck pajamas fool you, I rebuild about 6 engines a month
Doesn't work like that,duh.
Youre talking about rundown torque i do believe
I'm one of those geniuses who use the lightest possible dab of Neverseize on things. Including wheel studs. In 30 years of changing tires twice a year, my torque wrench has never found a problem. I started doing this after my father had a brand new GM car, and even with my breaker bar, neither of us could get one bolt off.
I've also found the vast majority of authorized dealers and tire shops are literally sometimes 2x factory torque.
And using NeverSeize on exhaust pipes lets them come apart by hand, even a decade old. No more saws on rusted parts. The trick is, use it like Scrooge McDuck.
Instead of flashing light to find it, it needs like a little beeper or siren to find it. For $1400 I'd almost expect to have a GPS locator built in. lol
It’s kind of does tho - the one key.
They do have an option that the app will have a sense for how close you are up to 10ft. So alteast you know it's in a 10 foot radius
Excited to see this tech trickle down into more commodity products
yeah, something like this at 300 to 400 bucks is a lot more reasonable in a couple years.
"The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." - Montgomery Scott, Chief Engineer
If you're gonna do it, skip the spinning wheels and make it compatible with all of your batteries. Instead of RBG LED's, give me a tracker that will perform the same function, as well as aid in the event the tool is stolen(you're well into felony area with this one*). Also, having to do a 10-step calibration each time you use a different battery type or different hardware? Pass.
edit*: Different states have different values for felony theft, thought they were all > $1000.
The market for a tech like this is literally immense. Put a small camera in it to read QR codes that set it to these pre sets and it will sell in immense quantities. Especially if they make a scaled down version that does in lbs and in oz. And if it also had a mode that accounts for running torque... Milwaukee would probably take over the manufacturing market.
even better if it can make a api call or usb stick to upload recorded torq values
@mjflit patent that qr scanner idea immediately
It didn't even work properly on the pipeline event where they specifically setup a test stand for it.
If you re-use the same (especially small size) fastener over and over it's going to increasingly get out of spec in measurement over the course of a day. The only way to eliminate this is to use a bolt way over qualified for the torque setting (like we did on most tests) or swap out the hardware often (like we did on the M14 hardware). Their set up guide even explains this with new hardware, so it's strange their PIPELINE exhibit ignores it.
The same thing would happen to a 100% accurate torque wrench used in that same exhibit all day, it's the hardware stretching and getting worn. So really just a bad demo vs a bad tool. Save for the weird FORGE stuff I doubt they are advertising.
Trust me in real life you do reuse the same fastener over and over again.
@@wecx2375 Very true. They were also over on their demo by like 4 ft-lbs of something though.
@@TorqueTestChannel If you use a fastener that is way over qualified for the torque, it won't be properly torqued. If properly torqued, the fastener will not exceed it's elastic limit and will not permanently stretch.
@cathotmailcom For a demo, i think using a larger bolt that's not taken all the way to spec to show repeatability is still a good idea.
A bolt torqued once to spec will not be deformed or damaged. One several times, and if run over and over and heated, will.
Our 1" thread grade 9 bolts are rarely if ever taken beyond their yield point with tools on this channel, and yet we have to cycle them out based on stretch and thread fitment with the nut nearly every 4-6 weeks because data starts to become worse. We get a very live daily look at bolt tension vs bolt wear running this channel.
It's somewhere between a standard impact and a high end assembly tool from the likes of Atlas Copco, Cleco, Stanley,ect.
Atlas Copco is miles ahead of everyone.
@@JakePlisskin12 Eh, Estic tooling with their micropulse is right up there with Atlas I'd say.
Thanks for showing how this tool REALLY works, how it has to be set up, etc. etc. This is the review and analysis I was waiting for & searching high & low for. Bless you!!!🙏
As a former tools salesman, it is amazing how One Key revolutionized tool security. Assigning distance limitations for jobsites blew my mind, aside from all the other operating settings. So much to remember. In Australia however for some reason there is a lot of Milwaukee stuff that never makes it here, for weird trade reasons.
I'm going to go to the tool store to get one tomorrow. This would make my life so much easier, since its strengths line up perfectly with my use case.
NYC union electrician apprentice. This is honestly a pretty cool tool. This is would come in handy when I do switch gear/ other assembly’s that have torque specs
No idea if you guys would be able to get ahold of one, but I used to work at a port processing facility for a Toyota distributor here in the U. S and we used Atlas copco Versions of this tool that were very accurate and recorded every torque to a cloud server that would have a report run on it twice a day The torque wrenches had barcode scanners Built-in and we also had tools They called nut runners, which are very similar to a cordless ratchet. They would run down the bolt or nut and then tighten to a predetermined torque. Really cool part was that they could have jobs programmed into them. Where scanning one barcode would start the job. And then the tool would change its own settings to tighten things in the correct order. For example, some of the running boards we installed had 6 bolts. At thirty two foot pounds and four bolts at forty five foot pounds (making up numbers because I don't remember actual specs) And The tool would know the correct tightening pattern to go over each bolt with the correct torque and then recheck In the same pattern again
Overall, super cool tools. But I believe the cheapest one we had was in the neighborhood of $16000. And one of the large impacts that was called a pulse gun, which was used for installing wheels, ran upwards of $30000 per unit
I could see this being extremely valuable for a production crew that's doing the same thing day in and day out. Setup looks tedious, but once set up it seems like it would be a great tool for specific tasks.
It's actually useless for those crews because it doesn't hold any sort of certification. For your racking manufacture warranty you need to follow their torque procedure that includes using calibrated instrumentation. If Milwaukee will not provide a cal cert it's no good to you.
@@otm646 good point.
HILTI has a similar product. You guys should check it out if you can get your hands on one. It is the HILTI SI-AT-22 ADAPTIVE TORQUE MODULE.
Hilti's is probably $5,999 lol
Hilti has a torque module with a barcode reader. You scan the code on a Hilti fastener box and it sets itself to the required specs. I've had it refusing to work with cold batteries before though. I'm guessing it reads amps and couldn't be accurate in those temperatures.
Lol. Surprised that Team Red didn’t include a speaker in that deluxe impact. You know, to play bluetooth music, locate the lost tool, etc.
This tool is neat and all... but I'm very very confused why it's being advertised with solar farms in mind lol. There are so many applications this tool could be used for, but SOLAR FARMS is the one that got the ball rolling and made it a reality? ok.
@@jetjazz05 Solar farm money is insane and subsidized
@@kylem8666 Oh I have no doubts, here in Florida it's huge money, the state gives you 10 grand off your install and 100 companies have popped up to put home systems in. Funnily enough you're not allowed to "hoard" your electricity, you have to feed it back into the system and let the grid use your power bank in an outtage, I don't know the technicalities but it's kind of peculiar... I drive about 45 miles to work and go past multiple "solar fields" so I'm sure it's big money.
The issue is... there's a lot of big money projects out there, and I still don't get why an impact driver that torques pretty close to spec was finally made for these solar farms. There's so many industries that could benefit from a tool like this it seems like they would've gladly made it long ago.
Milwakuee spys reading this comment be like. Noted.
Should've put a camera on it with a code reader. For assembly and code reading mode, it would be a game changer to just set the torque using a QR code.
19:37 I hated when that happened to me, back when I had my shop. The bill of the ball cap blocks your view of things like tires and if you're tall (6'2" here) and rushed (I owned a 3-bay shop with just two techs besides myself, so I was always trying to keep that extra bay paying for itself, and answer phones in the office too) you often found yourself like this. Knocked myself out cold one time.
I was super tired one day and slammed my head on a truck hitch. Luckily I didn't feel anything because it put me to sleep, but I had a migraine for two days. Now I walk around trucks like they're a snake about to bite me.
I throat punched myself with a fender mirror on a semi with the hood open once
Industrial use seems neat.
One problem I see is smartphone integration.
Metrology where I am would want a tool that doesn't need to be integrated to a personal computer, and be all in one with the device.
I can imagine that model is twice this one.
I can't imagine most screens putting up with the constant impact
That's a really interesting solution and could be hugely beneficial for repetitive tasks, but dangerous in that you need to really understand how it works.
Your videos is what I look forward to on Fridays for TH-cam!
Me too
What about Fridays with Frank?
Torque wrench impacts do exist for the production of very high end and regulated industries (aerospace, medical, etc.) but usually retail for well into 5 figures each
I was going to say why doesn't someone make that. Basically something with tech like this so it can stop before the desired torque, then with a long handle and a strain gauge so it can be hand tightened to the final number. If it's just for tightening and not going to stupidly high numbers (unless by hand) then it wouldn't need to be as powerful and the head could be smaller and lighter than a typical mid torque.
not exactly, but i like your idea! The Impacts im talking about look like a normal impact gun, but they connected to a manufacturing software that manages the assembly steps and guides you through the production. @@HomoKieran
In assembly you could probably just time the impacting?
Or you could just use a $200 pneumatic and a $10 regulator.
$200 impact and $100 tourqe sticks will get ya the same
This is a tool to be used by professionals that tighten the same bolts over and over on a daily basis, in that setting it's probably good, but for us every day shade tree mechanics, this is way overpriced and overly complicated
Yes!!!! I’ve been waiting for a review of these torque control guns ever since I saw them listed in their website several months back. Don’t get me wrong I can’t afford one but I was still wanting to see them tested.
It's a Lawsuit waiting to happen! Wait for people to pair what they think is the best battery only to find that their install falls apart later on.
They should definitely advise against it or patch it out ASAP imo
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Good stuff - probably a bit above what I need for my car repairs. On retirement, I decided to make my life easier, and bought tools I had previously avoided or decided were too fancy/expensive for the likes of me. One of these, was a 3/4 inch Milwaukee battery-powered impact driver. In the UK it cost me about £450 with the rubber dust cover, and came with two fairly hefty battery packs and a charger. The solitary reason for buying, was that I realised some of the very hard-rusted nuts and bolts on cars, don’t really undo with ‘slow’ undoing very well. By the time you’ve hammered and sprayed and messed about, the end you cannot see has come loose, and you then need both hands and another spanner etc…easy for an octopus i suppose. Being able to loosen an awkward rusted large-diameter suspension or subframe bolt, from one side only, is a fantastic boost during difficult jobs under a car. It was worth it, yet I only grab it about twice during an entire repair, it does something that nothing else can.
The singular negative, is it is harder to get a big 3/4 inch Milwaukee impactor into a space sometimes, but I manage with various couplings and so on. I’d have got the half-inch but this is literally what i say to my family is the ‘big dog’ and so it absolutely had to do the very hardest jobs, being able to fit into slightly smaller spaces, was a secondary aspect. Good vid, take care all, be safe.
The problem is a tool is only as good as its battery. My boss buys nothing but Milwaukee products, over the years I’ve watched him go through a lot of batteries with a high failure rate. I, on the other hand bought 4 20 volt max Dewalt batteries in 2013 that I use with all my tools. They all still work great and still have great capacity.
OOOH, I'd be super interested in seeing a vid comparing this gun to the likes of Cleco or Panasonic Industrial. Obviously those will have trouble hitting the peak numbers this does due to being designed for low wrist-breaking scores, but seeing how close Milwaukee gets to the industrial standards would be neat.
I use several of the Panasonic AcuPulse series for work and can say I've never had one go rogue and overtorque a fastener lmao
Ive worked with an Estic torque tool as well, that was pretty accurate and fast. also happened to be a wireless and reactionless tool.
Or the IR torque tools.
I litterally don't buy impact wrench until you review it. And your voice is so soothing. I have a couple milwaukees but my dad works for Atlas Copco and I have alot of those. Also a bunch of Ingersoll Rand because he worked for them for a while. If it wasn't for him i wouldn't have anything becuase I'm a loser.
Mate your comment was easy to read, and even contained separate sentences. In short, you're no loser.
This is the coolest thing I've seen from Milwaukee in a long time. Cant wait until these become affordable
Pass and a half. Maybe if you are repeatedly doing the same task, same fastener, same job all day long. But for someone who has to do 3-8 fasterers then swap, the whole 10 step calibration kills the utility. By the time it’s calibrated you’ll have already used your TQ wrench and gone for coffee
You save the profile, you only calibrate once per job type. That said, i'd still agree
yeah, this is pretty much a manufacturing only impact. that being said it will easily pay for itself installing bolts that would otherwise require impact+ turn of nut, or impact+torque wrench method. especially compared to expensive DC pulse tools which can range into $40,000.
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For high end and high volume commercial use, where you need semi precise torqing, it can be worth it. Just like the Hilti concrete screws. A single screw can cost 50 bucks. But you only have to drill into the concrete, and then set the screw. No cleaning, not brushing, no anchor, it just works.
And if you then count, how many screws a single worker can set per day, it becomes competitive.
A day of contractor is ~1000 bucks. If he does just 10% more work per day, it becomes a thing.
Milwaukee should put a Mercedes emblem on that thing 😂. Never thought about the need for that specific tool out in the solar fields like that. Very interesting. I enjoyed the look into that and all the details inside. Thanks!
As technology marches on, agri-pv (solar modules above fields) and solar canopy type installations are becoming more popular. And if people drive/work/walk below the install, red tape will increase and awareness for loose fasteners etc.
Tools aimed to companies not regular customers , Makita assembly line tools also are over £€$ 1000 each , they A series batteries stop when they hit 25% charge and you can time lock batteries .
@@pete_lind
Yes, he covered that on the video for sure!
It's all about sucking the money out of the green agenda, massive government subsidized money pit, corruption, because government. This thing is a 500 dollar tool. Wait a year and pick it up at the bankruptcy auction, just like Solyndra.
As a professional mechanic, I can't see enough of an advantage to make up for the cost of the tool and the time to calibrate for all the different conditions I might use it. Niche tool, for which $1,300 worth of torque wrenches is more useful and probably quicker than a programmable impact. Cool idea though.
I can see this working on windmills or solar farms where it could make the same torque on hundreds on bolts. Plus set in truck and get to it.
Find a ridgid r86312?
Being it's just an anvil swap, not enough for us to want to make a full video on it since it's not currently like a TOP 1/2" but maybe if another 3/4" comes out too. 3/4" is not super popular among most of you guys
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3/4 falls under the weird: too big for most road going vehicles but too small for most stationary plant equipment. They get used pretty extensively in the earthmoving and agricultural maintenance world however.
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Might be some of your best work yet...this is some mighty interesting impacting tech!
Yeah we’re paying 3 to 7 times this amount for IR’s industrial impacts or transducer pistols and Atlas pulse stuff. When you start getting into anything with the torque control money goes out the window haha
I asked for this video and you delivered in spades. Thank you!
The tech in that is crazy. Its crazy what you can do with electronics. Its crazy cuz all they have to do is change the app software to make the forge batts be on target. It would be nice though if they had some sort of sync feature where it shows through a blink of light or something that it remembers your current project settings incase you have issues with your phone or forgot to bring it with you
I love this. I screw into studs from time to time if like my wife wants a shelf put in. This can definitely do it,as well as the occasional ikea bookshelf build.
Good luck to you for justifying the purchase to her. Please give an update
This was a blast! Thank you. I just put up a steel building where I had to use the mark the nuts and twist it another third turn method. This would have been helpful. It may not have had the juice to do what I did, since I had to use a 40" breaker bar with an 1.25 inch socket on my bolts.
Waiting for the next updated and improved version of this
This was really cool - thanks for all the detailed testing!
Another thoughtfully well demonstrated, entertaining and informative video. Nicely done TTC crew!
Wow what a price tag! Great video as always
when i first started in the trade, our most powerful impact was an absurdly heavy IR spline drive monster with a 1" feed hose. it's amazing to see the power coming out of some of these electric ones, though 95% of the time we just rattle the bolts until they stop moving. every once in a while i'll get on a job with lejeune bolts and a tone gun, but it's been a few years since i've seen those. i wonder if this latest impact from milwaukee will kill off the lejeune bolts? would be nice to never roll an ankle over a snapped-off bolt nipple again!
I hate when that happens usually I get on one knee for stability
Guy in the bay next to me got one. Absolutely phenomenal wrench.
I was eyeballing this when they were revealing new tools. Some channels briefly mentioned it, but zero details. Just imagine how good Milwaukee can make a Gen2 in a few years if it’s already this good! Price it $100 or so more than the standard impact and it will sell like hot cakes!!!
You are aware you are asking them to chop about a grand off the price tag right?
Would be interesting to see the Bosch GDS (450 in europe) for this use when you tested it, it was very constant if I remember correctly.
yeah, how does this compare to that bosch one?
This sounds perfect for oil pan drain plugs.
$1000 extra bucks / crew member is nothing if it lets you breeze through a properly done job you're doing over and over.
I don't even need any of these tools but I just watch every video because they're too good
I need an adjustable wrench showdown, for grandpas sake. Bahco/snap-on vs channellock vs whatever else is out there. Maybe even throw the knipex pliers wrench on there since everyone in the comments would be saying to use that instead anyway.
Would be awesome in a shop for lug nuts and the like, but with whats been outlined in the video its sounds like a far greater hassle than what its really worth. Probably more one of those products to more keep an eye on until its a better sorted tool.
This reminds me of motorsport pit guns. They often use a clutch in the drive to slip once it gets to a certain torque number (as well as other design features like the socket and lug nut being designed to throw the gun off once it hits the correct torque)
Torque setting are good to keep in mind. But for $1400? Maybe Big Red is being forward thinking here. The 1/2 drivers are out of control with power so it is easy to do some damage on moderately sized bolts.
Great narration and comic relief
@2:33 price isn't that bad for an electronic torque impact/wrench. There are several companies that make those for industrial settings and most of their tools are orders of magnitude more expensive.
At first I thought wheel/tire shops will certainly rush to bring these in. Then I remembered I'm a lawyer, and instead I think they will be banned for a while by the legal departments of shops, or at least they will require confirmation with a standard torque wrench. There are still too many factors that can result in under-torqueing, especially since different batteries (or age of battery, likely as well) give different results. Until these come with a certificate guaranteeing +/- 4% or better like standard torque wrenches come with, the lawyers for end users will say you can't defend using these instead of standard torque wrenches in a lawsuit for the wheels coming off a vehicle. If it turns out that these significantly drift off of accurate over time, or that guys aren't being super careful to ALWAYS use the correct setting (they'll have to know the nut size and the thread count and pitch of every car), tire companies would have to do massive recalls to retorque the nuts of every car that came into the shop since they bought these tools. If over time they see that this is not at all a problem, then the economics of the time savings will overcome the fear of litigation/recalls.
Could you do a test on the 'Festool TID 18 H PC Cordless Impact Driver' it is only $100 more then Milwaukee's closest item (the Milwaukee 2953-22 which comes with 2 5.0Ah Lithium Ion Batteries and a case) I wonder if the festool quality on corded woodworking tools will carry over to battery more mechanic/contractor focused tools and be a good competitor with Milwaukee and dewalt . thanks
Not typically a Milwaukee fan (not since the good ol' days, anyway), been a dewalt guy through the 2000s, but this thing's legitimately enticing, and sexy. The accuracy of torque was genuinely impressive, like that was pretty damn close to manual twist-handle torque-wrench accuracy, if not exceeding it even.
If I ever find myself in a position of being able to piss away $1500 (after tax) and not miss it, I think I may well fetch one.
Beautiful tool. Hopefully this tech will trickle down to us mere garage monkeys one day. Thanks, as always!
I mean since it has a brushless motor they could actually be doing physics calculations based off of hammer speed ( and known weight) vs anvil distance moved so that they are actually measuring the amount of torque applied which would explain why the actual bolt tension changed so much with the unlubed fastener because the same amount of torque applied to an unlubed fastener vs a lubed one will result in significantly different bolt tension. This is why you should always follow the instructions when torqueing anything worth measuring the torque of especially with regard to lube vs no lube and lube should only be used if deliberately specified by the engineer. This is also why engineers should expressly state whether to lube and what type of lube to use for anything critical.
While very expensive, if you're a professional and have spent hundreds on an impact wrench and hundreds on a nice trusty torque wrench that you are constantly using, for a few hundred more thrown on your business credit account, I'd say if this thing holds up it is a HUGE time saver and improves quality of life in a way that outweighs the price point.
now i can be on my phone while working. spot on
I just cant unsee that Milwaukee salesman at 1:39 with the Apple watch on his right arm... what a heathen!! 😂
Probably left handed
Precision on Milwaukee is like power on makita 😂
Damn straight.
Makita have had this precision this for years now in their 14.4v Assembly line tools, with simple software programmable by USB on the handle.
As much as us Makita guys may want some things Milwaukee offers, this is definitely an instance where Milwaukee should stay in their lane.
@@EliotTrueloveI wonder how many makita products or whole product lines would be non existent if makita went by thr same logic lol
@@cpzmelbs Do you mean if Makita stayed in their own lane? For the most part they do, and they go "offroading" with their innovation sometimes, and at times it's thrilling and exciting, but many times it's very bumpy in some people's minds and thus criticized.
Makita for instance doesn't make press tools, Linemans crimpers, linesman's cutters, and other items because they have certain smaller trade specific companies like Huskie, Rothenberger, Einhell, SuperVac, etc utilizing their batteries.
Sometimes they make available a Makita branded version of that companies tools, like they do with Ogura (rebar cutter and steel hole punch) and Huck (large Huck Rivet gun), but many times they allow the use of their batteries so the companies can focus on the tools and not the battery rails and management. I wish they would actively advertise partners who utilize the batteries.
A lot of people talking about "technology" here... considering the gun is using a hall effect sensor to figure out what the final torque is and the fact consumers have been able to spend 50 bucks to get an Arduino pcb for over a decade which allows you to hook up sensors, write code, use wifi, it goes on and on and on.... Milwaukee has just been shamefully cheap and waited for 15 to 20 years to drop this product until they could do it for $5 per tool to turn around and charge you $1100. This could've existed in 2005 no problem, skipping the phone app, they would've just had to spent $20 per wrench to make the tech happen.
Has it got an app?
It has?
Dang! I'm sold!
Wow im a makita guy but this is some serious tech i cannot deny that😮
I’m watching this with the thought “I could use that” like I didn’t just buy a mix torque Milwaukee a few weeks ago
Hey TTC! Please do an episode on torque sticks, and please check if using them in reverse by accident cause them to become InAccurate
Seen a guy on reddit arguing that this thing wasn’t worth its cost at all, couldn’t imagine why a normal impact would cost that much!
Yeah, over about 10 comments of his, and multiple people replying and correcting him, he couldn’t figure out that this was more of a “torque wrench” than an impact, poor guy.
when I used to be a mechanic I'll get the torque right with the impact gun 99.5% of the time, and for that 0.5% I still tightened all bolts with the torque wrench
It doesn't matter how much experience you have, if you didn't check it with the right tool then you're still liable
Incredible, surprised this wasn't a thing before already ...
Notification squad! Love your videos. They are why I got a Hercules impact driver and a gen 3 high torque
As a mechanic I can say that would be awesome. Although I spend a shit ton on tools every year I don't think I could justify it
Cool stuff. I always wonder what’s on the shelf that the tool builders are working on . Wonder what’s next to market.
Milwaukee has everyone beat when it comes to cordless tools. Snap on ect... so glad I left ingersoll rand yrs ago for milwaukee. My yard tools and mechanic tools run off the same batteries!💪🏾
The 24V Army DC Aircraft Dynamics Roboimpact 2201 wrench used on tanks (hence the high amp slave cable connection) would be an interesting torque test.
for the first time since i started watching this channel you have going way over my head. with your engineering specs. wish there was just plain English to help explain what you where trying to tell us.
They came to my job at Hilbish ford and let use test out there Electric air hammer and man that shit was nuts it was more powerful the an actual air hammer coolest tool I’ve ever seen
Now a days a guy has to know how gun when useing it in critical situations..I run a mid torque milwaukee for most stuff under vechile,and the new m18 compact 1/4 in driver for topside type stuff.and latley since buying the fuel 3/8 drive high speed ratchet, I've been hard pressed to not have that in my hands. This new gun is very interesting..
LOL! 5:49 is freakin’ PERFECT!
For literal years since they came out with dial tourqe impacts I've been waiting for precision. Impatiently
You can see you didn't allow the sensor to tare 9:50
Holy crap, that would even make the Snap-on enthusiast freak out!
it would have been nice having one of these when I was working on the abrams tanks back in the day
gonna buy this to do metal framing and use it as a hammer to make em center
Looks like Milwaukee could be trying to step into Ingersoll Rand's higher output QX family of tools with this one. Alot of the features (tool finding, guide light adjustment, and color indication of rundown complete/incomplete to name a few). The 3062 seems to bridge the gap of where something like their QXXD2PT family of tools stops (at 18Nm I believe) and where their higher output D5AT right angle tools start. Granted, unless you are using the optional ETS function on the QXs you won't get anything like the impact function that the Milwaukee offers. The QXX do target the set torque from initial setting unlike the Milwaukee so you won't have to profile them. You won't see any output above 80Nm on the QXXs unless you add a separate torque multiplier on them, and by the time you have one installed and the tool's internal transducer range adjusted for the multiplier on the end, you'd be looking at roughly double the cost of the Milwaukee.
From TTCs video, the mobile app looks similar to ICS connect (Ingersoll Rand's equivalent).
Though the repeatability seems to suffer, and the fact that you have to run hardware profiles prior to running your actual application. I'd sooner stick with the old fashioned torque wrench if doing automotive lugs. I can see the benefit of the 3602 though in certain applications. Though in most of the applications I can think of, you could probably do the same job for cheaper depending on your assembly requirements.