Are Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth SIBO Tests Valid?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2021
- Even if we could accurately diagnose SIBO, if there is no difference in symptoms between those testing positive and those testing negative, then what’s the point?
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Looking forward to *_Gojiman's_* response to this. 👍
Yeah, let's tag him...
I was thinking the same thing!
@@luluthegrape and what about Angie Sadeghi?
@@potatolover56 truth has been spoken. These tests he is selling are insanly expensive bullshit you can leterally do 2tests day after day and get two completly diffrent results
@@shaokhan310 wow are you guys being serious?
I was diagnosed with SIBO but my symptoms continued after taking antibiotics. It wasn't until I got help for anxiety and PTSD that my "SIBO" resolved. I'm not saying everyone's SIBO symptoms are related to mental health, but in my case, mirtazapine and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy changed my life and improved my gut health.
Edit: I learned how the gut and mind are connected, and that made a huge difference, too.
OMG thanks for your comment, it could be why I have a bad gut health !
Pretty much the same case with me!
Did you ever test negative for a breath test? It would be interesting to know if it was negative now that you're better
dat Vagus Nerve... Never underestimate the impacts it can have on your well-being.
My more agressive bloat was helped w antibiotics when had ibsD, xifaxin with flagyl 30days and taper down to monthly one weekly. Lactulose testing sucked! I'm very intolerant. 10yrs varied antibiotics after that but I had good luck w fodmap on antibiotics. Originally issues started after bacterial pneumonia with gastritis/gastroparesis issues. I lost 86 lb in under 6 mo!! Did better for years but then constipation took over after breaking my back at T11-T12 and pain meds. Fodmap no longer helps me at all but still leaning towards controlled carb diet. Weight back up but I live on steroids, too many antibiotics and was finally dx secondary progressive multiple sclerosis Apr 2020. The issue was always more about nerve signals but would in turn let bacteria out of control from lack of movement. Now its colonic inertia plaguing me and begging my body to consistently have a bm every 25 days. I have a sacral nerve stimulator for overactive bladder. It works great but has not influenced the bowels. Too many years of antibiotics made me worse with candida overgrowth/lack of watching sugar because I was not told I was prediabetic. If I could start over I would have been on fodmap 5 years earlier, had lactose testing done early, watched sugar, avoiding any Repeated antibiotics that were for 30day treatments and adjusted meds. Finding out I was vitamin B and D deficient in my 20s with so called fibromyalgia was a big clue. I should have been taken seriously all along by my all doctors and conditions. As the problem tilted to lack of gi motility after breaking my back they should have looked at the full picture again. I have so much more than a bad gut/bad vision. At one point I figured out 11 out of 17 were listed with constipation with the colonic inertia. My heart issues were again medication side effects and nerve signal issues. I am down ONE weekly bm if everything goes perfectly. Which is highly rare. But still relying on 2x daily zelnorm (switching again too inconsistent which is probably the nerves but its affecting hypokalemia and my heart), weekly linzess and monthly colon prepsxwhen necessary. Theres hope for people but I cant stress enough look at whole pictures not symptoms!!
Why are so many many happy about this? SIBO was just a name for a cluster of symptoms that bother so many people on a daily basis. IBS or SIBO whatever we call it, people need real help for a very real symptoms!
But giving a different name and prescribing antibiotics and weird regimes for it just set us all back. I have IBS. It’s perfectly manageable using the FODMAP charts. The trouble is if you try to go or stay vegan. I gave it up because I simply can’t tolerate beans lentils etc. Now do fish and eggs for protein with a lot of fruit and greens and some starches (although not sweet potatoes or artichokes) the rest of the time.
@@stargazerbird I have IBS too. I can't manage it with FODMAP alone. However, I digress; it seems to me that you and like-minded think that SIBO is an excuse to eat fish or any other flesh/animal products or byproducts. It us the other way around; if you want to eat meats you need to find a valid excuse to, preferably medical to explain your behaviors. That's how it is.
Maybe we need to strip it of its name, perceived causes and treatments in order to find the true problem. But SIBO never was a disease that made vegans lose their judgment. Keep it separated.
Did you ever find something that works?
We've been waiting for this video series! Appreciate the great work as always, Dr. G and NF team!
From the conflict of interests to the dangers of antibiotics, excellent findings on SIBO, Dr. Greger. This is so important. Thanks.
Thanks for the info Dr Greger! We would also love your opinion on the response video from Gojiman. Thanks!
did he already respond? I couldn't find the link
*AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL:* Dr. Greger isn't an expert in this complex topic you should take some of what he says with a grain of salt, no doubt there's absolutely a ton of bad information out there and SIBO is thrown around like a buzzword. Now most studies have a very narrow and simple understanding of SIBO, to complicate matters further SIBO is generally too simply defined and understood at this point. And yes it can be misdiagnosed or treated incorrectly by those who know very little about SIBO. Also don't self diagnose, talk to a Doctor first who also specializes in SIBO, it has to be a case by case basis and customized treatment plan with an expert, in some cases it can take up to 2-5 trials of treatment before SIBO is fully resolved. What we should realize with SIBO it should be looked as one component of understanding in the bigger picture as so far as it pertains to the overall health of the intestinal tract.
A good resource to start to get a understanding of SIBO is linked below:
*Gojiman's The SIBO Hub:* th-cam.com/play/UUTh3RWqF1sf5qJ5TKY4BDrQ.html
*Also strongly recommend watching this comprehensive playlist on SIBO/IBS/IBD by Dr. Richard Hagmeyer D.C, CFMP:*
th-cam.com/play/PLuRkeaETgRYrjQ4yAHwb5WaMAwqBI7lGW.html
Hope this helps someone have a broader & fuller perspective, and be free from chronic health woes.
*upvote if you found this helpful so others may see it as well*
So true, thx Dr Greger 🙂💯
Thanks!
Godji Man RIP
Dr. Greger, I would love to see you do a video on the accuracy/efficacy of all these home microbiome tests that are available now, such as Viome, GI MAP, etc. Are they any good, or just a waste of money? Functional medicine practitioners love them, but regular MD's seem to think the information you get from them is not that useful (even if it is accurate), in creating a treatment plan.
GI MAP is good. Definitely not a waste of money when a trained expert is reviewing the results and looking for specific bacteria/pathogens that can then be addressed without* antibiotics. There are few experts that excel in both parts of this.
Hi, Gatsby O'Connor! I have passed your request along to the team. Hopefully, Dr. Greger will be able to cover it soon. Please be patient, because we receive many such requests daily, and it takes time to research and produce all of that material. I hope that helps!
-Christine Kestner, MS, CNS, LDN, NutritionFacts.org Health Support Volunteer
Definitely need more info here. I was diagnosed with SIBO and literally couldn't eat anything and suffered incredibly. It has taken me 1 year about 80% better. I used herbals, 1 round rifaximin and lifestyle changes. If not SiBO then what was it that tried to kill me? Literally I wasn't even digesting well enough to absorb nutrients
Thanks for sharing I can totally relate. I'm 8 months in and nothing has seemed to work. Did you have nausea? I have horrible nausea that wakes me up every night around 3am and hiccups all the time. Have lost 50 pounds. It's literally been killing me and I've had to quit my job b/c symptoms got so bad. How did you get back to 80% better?
@@AA-hj8er JFC I hope you got better mate
Anyone know when the next vid will be uploaded?
Eating lots of summer melons in the morning with a greenish blueberry smoothie for dinner made almost all of my big belly go away. As weather cools here in Florida I will shift to yummy soaps. Before the summer, I considered doing the testing ; thank you again for coming to the rescue, Dr. G. My hero.
Do you mean that you are going to eat soap in cooler weather?
@@tamcon72 😂
soup?
Thx
Oh dear, Gojiman might be worried....
oh yes, and me too... was just thinking about taking the test out of my pocket... now I have to wait a bit longer
LOL! Yes, indeed. He should be. His entire channel was built around this one concept!
My thought exactly so happy I didnt jump the gun I'll keep researching SIBO before any treatment
@@Albopepper Actually, it wasn't, and isn't. It's just what he is more recently known for, because the other stuff he talked about was boring, I guess.
@@Albopepper yes, although according to some testimonials he's been successful on and off. Then again that's just a series of anecdotes not a double blind RCT...
This is sad because I could have swore I pinpointed the problem of my extreme conditions. The struggle continues.
What extreme symptoms were you having? Did you ever find something that works? I'm 8 months in and nothing has seemed to work. Did you have nausea? I have horrible nausea that wakes me up every night around 3am and hiccups all the time. Have lost 50 pounds. It's literally been killing me and I've had to quit my job b/c symptoms got so bad.
@@AA-hj8er I am fortunate enough that my symptoms are no where near that level. I'm humbled by your comment and hope that you get better. The worst I had was endless sulfury gas and sharp gas related pain after eating certain foods but I've pinpointed them and reduced. Certain types of tofu (non fried tofu sadly) would destroy me, sweet potatoes, and other super plain whole foods just don't agree with my stomach. It's sad because I want to commit to a whole food diet but I just cant. Wish you luck
Probably one of the most over diagnosed and misdiagnosed GI issue of the last what, five to 10 years now.
Gojiman is a little pee'd off with the info in the video. He says that the info Dr. Greger gave is different from what the studies/papers actually says. He's looking for an friendly debate video with Greger. I think that would be a very very interesting video to watch.
I couldn't find the video
@@AA-hj8er th-cam.com/video/uRRgvXjNDsc/w-d-xo.html
part 2 pleeeees
I have quit all the animal products except milk. I used to added milk to my coffee and after drinking I used to get severe cramps in my stomach and abdominal discomforts. Also same things happens after eating Wheat(I am gluten sensitive) and fruits which are high in fructose like apple, oranges, mango but it's okay if I eat blueberries or strawberries. So, I stop consuming milk, fruits and wheat, I am totally okay now but had little issues with potatoes which bring allergies, I can't give up on it because I love potatoes.
The removal of my gallblader only brought me problems,Sibo , skin problems, no to mention loosing the ability to absorb liposoluble vitamins...
As a result of ulcerative colitis my colon was removed. I have a J-pouch, where the gut bacteria that normally live in the colon are nested. As a result of most likely bacterial imbalances (since the antibiotic ciprofloxacin reduces my symptoms) I have a chronic inflammation in my J-pouch. It was interesting but also worrying to hear that bacteria living in the small intestine that are supposed to be in the colon can cause issues. Since my J-pouch is made with small intestine. If that were the problem, then it would be hard to fix since these bacteria will always be in my J-pouch since my colon is gone.
You took cipro to deal with your symptoms before the J-pouch or after?
So then is Fructose Malnutrition a thing?
Fructose intolerance exists.
@@mandeehusky it is called hereditary fructose intolerance or fructosemia and is genetic and not reversible and extremely rare luckily.
Looks like a good business like the so called candida syndrome as i always thought.
GojiMan wont be happy with this serie of video. 😅
And on that bombshell, let's pass the mic to Gojiman
Dont listen to this snakeoil seller
eheh
QUACK I am a duck.
And to think of all these unnecessary antibiotics prescriptions contributing to the development of resistent strains...
Woo I was just about to Search haw to get rid of sibo and this video was just there in my feed.
but now i have to wait until the next vedo.. i really need to get rid of this bloating. Its painful at times and my family is really tired on the stink I keep making.. it's just not normal.
You could watch getting healthy with Stasia on youtube she had a simmilar problem and she shows what she did ❣️if you like
@@utrnagel9441 Thank you I'll check that out Well I patiently wait for doctor Gregor's next update.
Google FODMAPs. Give up high fibre high resistant starch foods.
cannot wait for the next video. The only thing I can eat and feel 100% well is white potatoes with no peel. only thing. Atrantil helps a lot and celery juice. bit it doesn't cure sibo 100%
Same here. Did you ever find something that worked?
@@AA-hj8er take "Atrantil" life saver
@@robertofilipe8605 Unfortunately, Atrantil did not work for me. I took it 3 times a day until the bottle was finished and nothing.
@@AA-hj8er it works for most people. if you have constipation specially
Off topic but I’ve ssen a few things today claiming flaxseed lowers testosterone, is there any truth to that?
No.
Get a mycotoxin test from Great Plains Laboratory. You can find out if you have gut mold that way.
they're measuring the wrong thing
Antibiotics is a nuclear weapon for a problem you should try to fix with exercise and diet!
😃😃
So *leakay gut* ova exaggerated?
This video is not about leaky gut.
@@Albopepper
Wat sibo do?
@@UHaulShorts Good question! Watch the video.
@@Albopepper
Have alreaday.
@@UHaulShorts Leaky gut deals with the permeability of the intestinal lining. SIBO refers to the overgrowth of bacteria in the small intestine. Two totally different concepts.
antibiotics suck at curing intestinal problems
if you have bad breath, you have sibo.
Non-existent diseases are the easiest to treat. As long as SIBO is billable, it will endure as a diagnosis.
Thank God the horror-doll is gone! The nightmare is finally over and we can all go back to learning about nutrition. Thank you.
I did a full upgrade of my gut microbiome by adding probiotics like :
Lactofermented Soda (until, all the sugar that is added is eaten up by the bacteria, making it sugar free),
Kombucha.
Dishes like Idli, Dosa.
Vegan Kimchi,
Sauerkraut,
Beet Kvass,
And most importantly giving a feed to the bacteria in the form of soluble
and insoluble fibre.
I feel like the SCFA and Butyrate is helping me without taking an unnecessary animal meat way.
Helping with what though? Do you have IBS, what are your symptoms?
If I did that I would be farting ful time and very uncomfortable. We are not all made the same
Does this mean Gojiman is gonna have to get an actual job instead of scamming people with those tests?
Do you have anything to support your claims? Gojiman doesn't earn anything from these tests.
@@brownbear8936 ahahahahahahahah
@@ekkekristo 👍
Does this mean the main excuse for many use to suffocate fish in a slow painful death is a lie? I'm sure we will come up with new excuses to justify that the animal cruelty we cause is necessary not just because we enjoy the taste of their flesh. Follow the science, and follow our own ethical stance.
Gregor, you're great, but cut the intros. We viewers already understand the topic from the title of the video. There's no need to waste time by telling us what you're about to tell us.
I've got gilberts syndrome and I swear that has something to do with my troubles especially when I over do it exertion/dehydration wise. No doubt beer, or just alcohol in general, won't do digestion much good especially in covid habit excess.
Trying not to eat too much later in the day and kicking the morning coffee helps get the appetite up ...after I'm eventually up and running (not literally!) -maybe a light jog.