Dang I wish there was some government entity i could contact about these predatory microtransactions. I wonder what website I can go to report such fraud?
"every character looks like they're getting dragged around the screen by a mouse" YOU FINALLY PUT INTO WORDS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN, THE PHYSICS ARE JUST... WRONG
EVERY event that claims you can earn a cool reward ends up being locked behind needing a purchase. The current one requires skins from the skin line you are working towards "earning" one of lol
Most people wouldn’t know this, but Jon diesta the art director for this game is the same one from Disney infinity and it’s super apparent when you look at the styles.
That makes a ton of sense. Disney Infinity wasn't a perfect game (it was pretty bad actually) but it did a fantastic job of representing tons of franchises in one cohesive art style.
Damn, first Disney Infinity getting gutted, and now Multiverse going through freemium hell with an extremely conflicted fanbase. Poor guy can't catch a break.
Actually, Iron Giant's instant kill counter move is a ludonarrative reference to his original source material, a movie about how attacking people is bad
I still remember your tweet in response to the announcement that multiversus will have full-fledged voice acting feeling like Mr Incredible from the Incredible 2 when he found out that Elastigirl saved an entire train without any casualties.
The worst part about my 400+ hours of MVS (release, not beta) has to be the fact that, no matter how much hope I have for this game to succeed and no matter who I ask, I and many others have NO IDEA what is going on. We know mid season patches are coming but no idea what's in them until AT BEST the day before. We have a community manager that leaves the community unmanaged and tweets more about 2XKO than Jabversus. Multiversus twitter, PFG, and even the community representatives like NAKAT and AJAX are more interested in saying beetlejuice beetlejuice than anything that will give hope to it's tired playerbase. The entire gameplay can be summed up to be "fishes for nair", "fishes for jab", and "sucks don't play them". For a game that supposedly discourages camping, clinging to the wall and not interacting with your opponent until they get impatient and whiff is the best gameplay strategy. Those big flashy moves that would normally be punished by shielding aren't even punishable now since 99% of the moves you think would have any sort of whiff lag just don't? It sucks that they preached greater communication when the best we get is a showcase of something that nobody cares about because the fundamental core of the game is equivalent to Chernobyl.
The Reindog point reminds me of this one time AlphaRad mentioned on a video that on one his sponsored Multiversus videos, he had poked fun on a lot of the characters, silly jabs and insults, and whoever was in charge of making sure the video was up to WB standards was okay with all of it.... Except Reindog, any jab like "Reddit bait dog" or things of the sort was asked to be removed because they cared too much about Reindog
For some strange reason, Reindog has never been available as a free rotation character since the launch. Joker managed to be playable for free before Reindog.
@@Moi_Ariimagine if Reindog is something like one of the developer’s children’s ideas? Would you be cool with people shitting on your kids stuff? Video Game Devs include homages to people they care about frequently
@@Ballsackson Well maybe if they put their mascot in an actually good game they wouldn't have to worry about that. Moreover you don't put things in a game and not expect people to not make fun of it, nobody is entitled to anybody's respect that's just life
Big Chungus is already a character in the Looney Tunes mobile game, meaning there is already a model, moveset, and voice lines ready to go He will arrive soon.
Really, really well done! I did my own deep-dive review of MultiVersus awhile back, but even after wallowing through this game myself for weeks, it was still insightful to see it from the perspective of a) someone doing everything free-to-play, b) someone who's seen months more post-launch work done, and c) someone who's studied Federal Trade Commission publishings LMAO
Yeah this game is a massive disappointment. Also quick sidenote the GAME RUNS WORSE in lower end devices the beta I could play 4 player local in my laptop no problem. Now with the engine switch it's a lot more resource intensive and lags on my laptop
dude I'm at the part where I'm having a literal scam explained to me and I'm like "dear God. okay well. I get why this game sucks now" and then I look at the timeline and there's 40 MORE MINUTES OF SHIT??? YO???? is this game fucking cooked??jesus christ man
the community for this game is literally masochists. I don't get how people are like "this game COULD be incredible" Like they took AN ENTIRE YEAR TO REWORK THE GAME ON A NEW ENGINE AND MADE IT WORSE, what kind of copium do you need to smoke to still think there is a possibility to pull a "no mans skys" WHEN THIS IS their "no mans skys" and it flopped, twice.
Genuinely feels like this game treats its "Free To Play" players as "Free"loaders. At every turn in PvE, you're paying money. At some points where you would need to spend money, you could have bought a new and better game, (and often not even pay) for the amount of money you spent.
WhyDo I need you to know that this review is some of the most incredible games journalism I've ever seen. This is such a thorough dissection of every aspect of a major release analyzing every element and choice that make up the final product, and most impressively you did it completely and entirely in good faith. I so desperately hope the lead devs at Player First Games get a chance to see this and maybe even more importantly, the correct mid-level exec at WB games. This is a thorough and earnest step-by-step guide for both the developers and the business office to turning this disaster into something beautiful complete with industry comparisons to aspire to that helps more removed higher-ups understand the actual value proposition of implementing these changes. "Multiversus is a game where the whole is so much worse than the sum of its parts" ........... damn.
@@rigboy1234 I never played it but I remember finding out about it as a kid, watching gameplay, getting super excited about it and then being horribly disappointed to find out that it was no longer purchasable on steam. Game legit looked pretty fun tho iirc.
Thought you meant LeBron James Smash Bros the same way people say Sans Undertale to refer to what game a character is from and was very confused for a sec
I recently did the Shuckle part for MockRock's 'Ranking ALL 1025 Pokémon As Smash 6 Fighters!' - it was a lot of fun and he was great to talk to - however I can confirm we are not the same person, as there is nobody on this Earth who is a bigger fan of Shuckle than me. In fact, his favorite Pokemon is NOT EVEN Shuckle - a borderline unforgivable offense
@@WhyDoI’d love if you did more collabs with him if the opportunity ever comes around as when it comes to smashtubers or anything around that environment you two basically the only ones I watch.
I wish more people talked about the literally illegal practices this game does. Also, there's still plenty of people who bought Founder packs in the beta and STILL DO NOT HAVE THEIR FOUNDER PACKS FROM THE BETA and Warner Brothers support *refuses* to respond to them or give them refunds. All they reply with is "we're investigating" and ghosting them. It's such crap.
Why would you complement the game like that when it charged you money for almost all its characters? Overwatch gives you all the characters for free, hell, not even Smash does that, and that's after you pay up front for the game!
when you brought up the characters unlocked timeline I genuinely thought you were about to say that you permanently lost access to the Iron Giant after they released him from balancing prison which does not reflect well on the rest of the game
Lmao looking back I might value 'fun' a little too much... I did have a lot of initial fun in doubles, but to me a 4/10 game is where games start to have 0 redeeming qualities. Yes this one is pure evil but if it's evil AND chaotic/fun for a while... it gets a few points!
@@WhyDo I don't know, I have very little experience in the game but 4/10 sounds right to me from what I've played plus what I learned from this video, but everyone has different standards for a __/10 rating system so it's understandable. Either way, I just want to say I loved the video, really funny, very informative and it's just generally really well made
@@WhyDoI say this with as much enthusiasm and love I can give this game: it is mid. If you throw out the parts of it that are a crime, it is a game built by and for a focus group. It aspires to being average, and it almost succeeds at that. It’s not a complete trainwreck, but it did turn somebody into paste. It is lovable in a way only a kusoge can be, and it also has Bugs Bunny. The audience for “clearly broken in funny ways” fighters has always been there, and the only knock it has for the sadists who play the Sailor Moon fighting game is microtransactions and the live service model
Man that animation bit is such an eye opener. Like you, I always felt like something was off but could never put it into words. But now it totally makes sense. I never noticed just how much characters just glide along the floor if they're still doing an aerial attack when hitting the ground. Some animations look good but how the actual movement of the character around the stage doesn't match. Wonder Woman's forward special attack is a good example; the actual anticipation of her charging up the attack is there but she slows down her momentum and then gains it in the punch but it moves her whole body very stiffly. It doesn't help that you can even control her momentum, almost making it look like she barely moved. From a gameplay perspective it's somewhat nice to be able to have that control but visually it doesn't look right at times.
Towards the end I was starting to get worried cause we got to the end of the ice burg without any mention of the illegal stuff. The last 10 minutes by far did not disappoint and made it up completely
I genuinely think the reason Multiverses has the physics it does is because the dev team showed it to the WB execs and they were like “I don’t understand any of this could you slow it down?” Same with the Unreal Engine switch, feels like the Execs went “well you’re using Unreal 4, why not update to that new one?” Understanding nothing at all other than ‘more recent and made the mandolorian’
Adding on a bit: - The perk system is incredibly shallow even compared to the beta. A dozen of the perks were removed, and many of the remaining ones are still useless. At most, you're going to have two perks sets: one that's anti-projectile, and one for everything else. - The game tries to hide mission requirements constantly. It will ask for a detective character, from DC, and it only counts if you play PVP. Stipulations on progress like these can make the game immensely frustrating, as you will have any one of those things but still be unable to complete the mission. This is compounded by many of the fighter categories being straight up wrong. You would expect Marvin, a character focused on reversing projectiles, to be a mage yeah? Nope he is an assassin for some reason. Because obviously someone who enjoys Finn and Arya is going to enjoy spammy martian man. - The game has nearly no way to check your long term stats. It will give you your recent winrate, but you can't check past seasons results or anything. The game bullies you into grinding but then hides how long you have actually been grinding. - For a game labelled as a 'platform fighter,' there are almost no platforms on most stages. The vast majority of stages are long, flat planes with no hazards but low ceiling blastzones. And on the stages with platforms, they provide only the most basic movement opportunities and expressions you can think of.
Good points - the perk thing really is sad, too. Perks in CoD generally have a big impact on the way you play, giving you new abilities or things to do... but these perks definitely feel very 'tacked on' in comparison. The only one I thought was truly cool was the gravity cancel thing (and you have to sacrifice midair parries for it...) In CoD a perk will let me sneak up on people like a ninja, hack enemy equipment, dive onto the objective without worrying about explosives... in MvS I'm like 'oh awesome! 5% more damage!' 'oh cool! 7% more damage!' 'wow! my melee attacks do slightly more damage!'
I believe they added Reindog to put a purely support character Have a character that isn't really prone to violence, and is just here to protect and help his friends and allies Yes, I have seen the Iron Giant, why do you ask?
I'd heard that rumor too, but I couldn't find any evidence for it, let me know if you find anything! I mostly just saw the trademark filing (which is terrifying)
It was so funny seeing Meowmix absolutely exasperated with this game knowing he was one of the best players for both Super Shrek Slam and Kirby Fighters 2, both certified kusoge
I'm just repeating mockrock's video here, but the engine switch was apparently largely to do with needing to rework the game to make rollback netcode work, and given community response and lack of playability of all other online solutions for fighters, that one's more understandable than "so shaggy's sandwich would have 15 more pixels"
This was acknowledged and I'm pretty disappointed whydo didn't make this point. Seems like a weird thing to not give them credit for. One of the biggest problems with the beta was the net code. Making a new engine to fit the net code fixes one of their biggest problems. They did screw the pooch in just about everything else tho
@@drdepression4605 Whydo was right to call out that the marketing implied it was for graphical fidelity, and that a year wasnt nearly enough time for that changeover, but I agree its an important addendum.
@@relloz6 yeah I'm sure they would have taken longer but big WB probably screwed them on the deadline. I hate big companies. Whether it's movies games or shows it's like they all decided to be as scummy as possible and release Terrible products as a standard. What's going on these days.
In any case, I feel like the “graphical fidelity” excuse is less about being dishonest or dumb, and more about the fact the game is built for people who think UI Shaggy is still funny and don’t know what rollback means
"I've spent over $250 on this game" and "Multiversus never has hurt me" do NOT belong in the same paragraph as each other... Spending 250 dollars on a single game should never be considered _normal._
Have you seen Fantasy Strike? Or how he bullied Yomi Hustle into changing their name, because it infringed on his card game nobody played? That man should be catching strays like a dog pound trying to get employee of the month
I've been a developer working with Unreal for a few years now, enough to have to go from UE4 to UE5. So if I had to guess for why they had to change engine : A bit of context first : Ue5 is mostly just an update of ue4. It's pretty much the same engine with a few new stuff and some of its features finally properly useable (more on that later). It's totally possible to launch a "small" or "medium" UE4 project on UE5, and have it work with little to nothing to do. For bigger projects, it's usually harder, as they tend to use more complex engine's features that are very likely to change and break from an engine version to another. Now for why it's actually very long and complex to switch from UE4 to UE5 : Unreal Engine is a broken mess, hold together by the sweat, blood and tears of any (now caffeine addicted) developer who had to touch it. To deal with this issue, it's very common, if not mandatory, for studios to develop their own internal version of the engine, which makes updating to a new official version go from hard to hellish. I let you guess where going from UE4 to UE5 is on the scale of a game like multiversus. So why did they change the engine: First, the new engine versions tend to introduce features who are easier to use, more convenient and just overall better than their old counterpart. If you have for objective to update your game for several years, updating regularly your version of UE for those features is a pretty good idea. Second: bug fixes, Unreal has bugs that are pretty much unfixable without updating your engine version. Third : Tech update, it gets more rare as time go on, but it's still common to have older games having a hard time being run on new PC config. Regularly updating your engine is a way to prevent this. As mentioned earlier, Unreal is broken and a lot of its modern features were marked as "experimental" (aka broken) in UE4. For a simple, way too personal, example : There is no intended way in UE4 to remap your keyboard and controller in game, you have to do a lot of work and find workarounds to do it. In UE5, there is a proper way, which is very different from any of the workaround you could've done. So you pretty much have to throw your works and redo it. Except this time it should be safe from breaking in a future engine update and easier to maintain in the long run. (It's rarely a good idea to base your project on workaround and old tech, as they tend to introduce bugs and issues as the development and maintenance go. For example: TF2 code is a nightmarish mess as it was build on workaround and contains a lot of now obsolete techs). In summary : I'm pretty sure they updated the engine to make long terms maintenance and development of the project easier. To be fair, they probably didn't really need to go for the engine change, but I mostly wanted to say that the choice was probably more complicated than just : It's for better lighting.
A quick note on the UI looking exactly like Fortnite, (for those who still want to read my awful english): UE5 has one of the best UI system you can get in any engine, but programming for controller support for UE's UI is a huge pain in the behind. So to not become mad from doing the implementation, developers will either go for the copy fortnite option, the fake cursor one or both. (It doesn't really excuse the crappy changes, but I find this a bit funny)
45:51 Hi, survivor of Gundam Evolution here, yes, having missions locked behind battle passes and premium-locked characters (of whom can only be unlocked by extreme grind or extortionate prices) DOES suck and it DOES taper off the player count and health of a game, and it DOES lead to the servers shutting down.
43:03 This guy is experiencing his first toxic relationship and he doesn't even know it. He has given his girlfriend almost all of his money without receiving anything in return, but is still keeping the relationship going in hopes that she will better herself in the future (it's not going to happen).
I was just coming to say this same thing. "Multiversus never hurt me." Bruh, Multiversus stole $250 from you and didn't give you anything for it. They have genuinely hurt him. It's sad to see. :(
I just found out that the art designers for disney infinity worked on multiversus, and I also found out that disney infinity has a steam version that includes all the characters without the toy to life crap, and after playing it I can confirm that despite being a sanbox game that basically plays like the lego games, it has better fighting game gameplay than multiversus. At least that shit has a block button.
I'm very glad this video exists because never before did i think i'd learn about a new low in the gaming industry like this. Like bad games can be charming, but this isn't bad, it's good and predatory, and this whole video really gave me thz feeming of digging down with a shovel to ungodly extent. Also thanks for giving me a new meme to laugh about, i think i will spam reindog in my friends' dms a lot from now on (until it stops being funny to me)
It makes me so sad that so much multiversus content on youtube is negative and that it gets so much bad press in general. It makes me even sadder that most of it is compleatly warranted. I love this game and have loved it since the beta and I want it tu succeed so badly
As long as Warner keeps being Warner, it's not going to get better. I can only hope that when the game inevitably shuts down, that fans will be able to make an offline version with none of the money grubbing BS
Out of curiosity, I went to the developer's page, and the main team members I saw were folks who worked on: •God of War 3 •God of War Ascension •League of Legends •Star Chasers •Jedi: Fallen Order •Teamfight Tactics •Hawken And several folks from Activision-Blizzard or other Call of Duty studios. From this, I conclude that yes, they are lacking experience from balancing fighting games, but I do see a lot of things in Multiversus that you can find in a lot of the games here.
HARLEY QUINN PAY TO WIN SMASH BROS TWIN. I was just vibing and having a great time and suddenly whydo flies out of my headphones and smacks me across the face at mach 20. Excellent.
Thank you for pointing out the air attack momentum changing. I've been trying to explain to others how awful it feels. More than characters feeling "slow" or "floaty", having to watch the animation complete before touching the ground just looks terrible
Honestly I'd have been down to pay a few bucks for characters I can have fun with and play with friends. But when you think a smash dlc character basically cost 5 bucks (without counting stage and music) and compare it to what they ask you for characters in multiversus... The worth just isn't there. Add that to the fact for a while you couldn't even try characters before buying them... It's just sad man.
Recently they updated the game allowing you to play with all characters in offline mode, making the in-person game actually competitive! Wow that’s impressive isn’t it gang. If u can’t tell that’s sarcasm. But they did fix it, so I think that’s a +0.2 review score at least, making it a 5.533 (repeating 3)
So happy someone addressed the fact it's insane they just simply took a whole ass fighter out of the a game for a while. I understand he's broken but taking a character, that many people likely paid for, out and unplayable is simply not okay.
Regarding the big chungus copyright thing, no idea if you're aware but there's a loony tunes mobile game where big chungus is a unit so warner bros have already used him as a character, sort of.
Reindog explained (sort of): There is a lot of evidence in the files of the beta tests, and from the actual devs, that show that the game was initially going to be a fantasy-themed platform fighter, with very few actual "known" characters (they were planning on having Gandalf in that version but he was removed, and his attacks were recycled into Rick's? That's what I've heard at least, but there is a screenshot going around of Gandalf on the unused level in the files). Reindog was the original idea for a character that was supposed to be just a random fighter in the original version, and seemed to be much more of a bruiser character (you can see in the concept art that Reindog looks pretty strong compared to now, where they cutesy'd him up a lot) "Some of the strings inside the game's code refer to Reindog as "Creature" or "Rex"." - MVS unofficial wiki Also Banana Guard was programmed in as a PVE enemy in the actual adventure mode that they had scrapped for the pay-to-win PVE they have now, he was just going to be a random mob at first and there was an item in free-for-all which spawned him as well.
Honestly I'm a big fan of Reindog's inclusion purely because of the fact that they have full creative freedom over him, but I believe the files also had info for atleast 2 more characters from the original game idea coming to this game and I'd like for them to be added in as well. Also I agree on the idea of making the original characters free.
I agree heavily with the most important points of the video Shaggy having meme powers is perfectly fine, but him not knowing the difference between pastrami on rye and a club sandwich is an horrific butchering of the character and completely unacceptable. 0/10
I agree, its soooo bad. I liked the game at first and was going to watch a whydo video cause I love his channel, and ended up completely enflamed in rage at how dogcrap it is and it deserves so much fraud lawsuits. this sucks, they should just follow nickelodeon.
When you talked about the Discord, I had a horrifying realization. This game might be the modern Kusoge. The fact that this is even a possibility for a game backed by Warner Bros. in the modern day is astounding.
As an Iron Giant main I think I have an understanding of why he's the way he is. The game was designed WITHOUT him in mind, to explain it further Iron Giant's design of a character that's slow, most of his moves are slow, and he has big ass hurt boxes. This design in a game like smash would be annoying but could still function since he'd have stuff like shields, grabs, and more defensive options against characters who are just faster then him, but this game doesn't have shields. As a result characters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Tom & Jerry, Steven, Finn, Jake, Jason, Black Adam, Morty, Rick, Lebron James, Samurai Jack, Jo-yeah you get it EVERY CHARACTER CAN TRAP YOU IN INESCAPABLE COMBOS THAT CAN TAKE YOU FROM 10% - 90-100+% Most of these situations include moves that can hit you multiple times making parrying worthless and giving you little time to dodge, and even if you dodge you're so big they'll just scoop you up again. This game isn't designed to have a character like IG and its so clear comparing his kit with other tanks how easy it can be to just screw him over without even breaking a sweat. They probably saw this in testing and thought "Well shit! How can this character do anything if you can just trap him in combos you can't really counter? I guess we just need to give him a way to break combos mid game." Then we got the spark, during the Beta it functioned extremely differently being more focused on how many screws you collect and having those screws take hits for you while you just had super armor, but now is just a burst that you can use to break out of combos. It's just a bandaid for a bigger problem with IG's design that can just barely work.
I am extremely thankful for this kind gesture however, rules are rules, and as such I will be adding $0.05 because of this comment, it's time to suffer in the name of our glorious Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav
Masterpiece video. I knew the relaunched game was dire, but I didn't realise just how bad it was when not playing on an account with legacy beta content. Love the tag team Calls to Action of 'I will buy stock in a sinking ship of a company if you subscribe' and 'you can report this game to the FTC'. Also 14:47 :)
@@WhyDo Thanks. Yeah, the Sakurai presentation confused me so much, I made it just to understand what was happening. BTW, your Steve tech is how I found out the Queen died.
This video's quality is so good. I think it's the Analogies for me, they are random but fun and help to describe more broad topics while not having to think too hard at the example. Also, your video essays are extremely well-paced, it perfectly moved through the iceberg metaphor and even insulted the game with its own mission system to get a higher review score.
10/10 video. Unfortunately, I think you underestimate the sheer power of being free and having Smiling Cartoon Mascot in it. This game could shoot itself in the foot twelve ways from Sunday and still have an audience because of the sheer amount of small children who only play free games. I cannot effectively express with words how large this body of players is. Whatever number you're thinking of right now, it's three times that. The only thing holding it back from dominating schoolyards everywhere is that it's not on Switch. EDIT: Let me update/clarify. The point I'm making amounts to, "If this game makes it to Switch or any kind of mobile app store, all hope of it failing and WB learning anything from it flies out the window." I'm fully aware that it's failing on Steam. Small children don't know what Steam is. I'd be curious what the PS/XBox numbers are like because kids have those.
Wouldn't suprise me, if this game was so unoptimized, that the Switch wouldn't be able to run it. And I don't want to disrespect the devs, but having to switch the engine at the 11th hour, forcing them to have to rewrite a lot of stuff, doesn't make me hopefull, that there was time to optimize anything. Besides monetization of course.
As a game developer. the phrase "We decided to switch to UE5" drives me insane! I am convinced these companies only do it to slap the "UE5" buzzword on their game. Most of them dont need UE5's features. The "Lighting features" the devs mentioned is a system called lumen....which is a system for making hyper realistic lighting, and is not meant for stylized games such as multiverses. And it in fact makes stylized games look worse. (or requires significantly more work to make it look good, as opposed to UE4's default lighting solution.) 90% of games making the switch from UE4 to UE5 do not need to do so, especially since they have been doing fine with UE4. I even explicitly choose UE4 as opposed to UE5 when starting new games, cause some features were removed that make specific genre's of games and specific art styles harder to achieve in UE5. (It all depends on the needs of the project in question. Also the UI stuff they say is BS. The UI system in UE4 and UE5 is identical. Works exactly the same way, and when you migrate to UE5 it automaticly updates your UIs. There may be some compiler errors, but that doesn't require rebuilding from scratch.
Haha thanks for your input, that makes sense. On my end, very much not a pro game dev, but I've been working on a game in Godot for a while... and if I was on a team and someone said: 'hey, you know this project we've been working on for years? Let's switch it from Godot 3 to Godot 4!" I think my head would explode.
I read the EULA on my games before I play. I'm not a lawyer, but I felt something off from MultiVersus's EULA. To the point that, despite my excitement for the Beta, for the first time in my life I said "I'm not using this because I don't agree with the Terms of Service". After seeing this video, I consider that to be one of the best decisions I have made.
I'm so happy that you brought other platform fighters that aren't smash or smash clones. Platform fighters nowdays always have to be a crossover with a damage-percentage based system and the same directional inputs as smash
1:02:16 this might be my favorite bait and switch joke, you just start talking about cod after not (at least i dont recall you talking about cod extensively till now) even bringing it up during the vid and thats so funny
I have over 2k hours in the game counting beta/full release. Great video, entertaining while bringing up many of the issues that plague MVS. I'm one of the rare people who completed every rift solo and maxed all gems without spending. I'd say it was a boring mindless grind 95+% of the time, with around 5% being fun challenges on the highest difficulty. Definitely not worth the massive time investment and I don't think many casuals would be able to do it.
@@XAVIERTHEDOOFUS I enjoy the game, I cope that it can only get better, but nahhh that kid was still getting new acc juicers and didn't realize it. Cause getting characters in this game feels like "Ok, me and each kid can all pick a character based on who we (canonically) like. After that we need to save up for the rest of the season if we want anyone actually good". Also of course you need whoever is locked behind the battle pass too if you plan on playing ranked.
This is my introduction video to your channel and let me just say, im here to stay. Absolute banger video. I've felt some type of way about this game and couldn't put my finger on it and this just describes it perfectly.
If Smash Bros is an all you can eat buffet then Multiversus is a snack bar. All the food is basic and simple and while it tastes good there is no way you can eat at a snack bar every day. But of course in this case you have to either pay insane amounts of money or eat there 50 times in order to be able to have all the snacks there
I always forget how small WhyDo's channel actually is. By far my favorite platform fighter TH-camr. He deserves so much more attention. Yknow hes just one of my favorite youtubers in general
8:41 My friend, I’m sad to report that it already happened. Big Chungus was officially included as a character in a mobile Looney Tunes RPG. 1:00:27 Loving your video so much that I had to edit in another comment. I don’t know about Rick’s Down Special, but I can explain the mindset of being turned into Reindog on the Townsville stage. See, the device Mojo Jojo uses to turn players into Useless-Form Reindog is the Head of Anubis. Contextually, this kind of makes sense because, in the episode that is being referenced, that’s what he used the head for. To turn people into useless dogs. In hindsight, I find this ironic, because when the PPG were turned into dogs, they eventually realized, “Oh, yeah. We’re dogs. Let’s just maul his ass”. Some might still ask, “Okay, but why make them Reindog in MultiVersus?”. Why, to save on time and resources, of course! They already had the assets for Useless Reindog thanks to Rick, so they just hit copy and paste. It’s jarring, but still…kind of faithful.
Thank you for making this because I genuinely couldn't get myself to do so. I originally planned to and the longer I went on the life was sapped from my very being. Thank you for suffering for me.
I just wanted to say, I'm really glad you called out the animations and sound design of Smash. We usually think of those things as just fluff, if we even think of them at all, but they're incredibly important to making a game *visceral*. That's especially important to engaging with a fast-paced action-heavy game like a platform fighter.
I am so glad I’m not the only one who felt that there was a lack of moves. I really feel like certain characters could benefit from having tilt attacks alongside smash attacks. Characters like Marvin specifically having more melee attacks alongside buffing his current melee attacks while nerfing his projectiles slightly to make him a better assassin and less of a mage. Marvin literally has no proper melee kill moves which is weird for an assassin.
The fact that I'm already subscribed, and the whole "Every subscriber I will put money into Bugs Bunny Smash" makes me want to unsubscribe so you don't lose money, haha
This is such a well made video. You outlined a lot of issues I have with the game but just didn't know how to articulate them even down to the animations. Well done
Dang I wish there was some government entity i could contact about these predatory microtransactions. I wonder what website I can go to report such fraud?
What a great question. I wonder if anyone reading this has any suggestions? Personally, if I had to choose, it would be reportfraud.ftc.gov/
@WhyDo wow, what a nice website!!
@WhyDo Ah! A simple and easy (and legal) solution!
@@WhyDo Wow, thanks for this! I will be showing these people who's the boss!
@@WhyDo Can't wait to see them get charged 100 bucks for the 100million billion trillion in dollars they scammed
Don't mess with us MultiVersus fans, we fucking hate the game
ong but im still fucking up shaggy
i love it
We are going to join to the party to destroy that souless game
@@juliova2315it is not that bad 😭
I had to drag WhyDo out of his mom's basement to get him to make this video. Hope you guys are happy.
Doing gods work
Is this a crossover episode?
Thanks man. I appreciate it
Ily vars
Thank you, I thought he finally kicked the bucket and fell into it
"every character looks like they're getting dragged around the screen by a mouse"
YOU FINALLY PUT INTO WORDS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN, THE PHYSICS ARE JUST... WRONG
Seriously, the second he added that mouse in the clip it genuinely looked better to me, like the movement finally made Sense
It looks like they move around, do an attack animation, and then go back to moving around with no transition between the two
and it was glaringly turbofcked like that on day 1 of the original release
@@nathanlevesque7812Good point. Now it looks bad, AND feels sluggish to play.
35:15
I didn't know the monetization was quite this bad. The "get Agent Smith free" thing is diabolical in such a cartoonishly anti-consumer fashion.
It wasn't. It could be done at ease by playing like 5 minutes per day.
@johnnybrasil1572 cap, ts is so time consuming
@@johnnybrasil1572"Free"
"just spend 5 minutes a minute grinding bro!!!"
That’s objectively wrong especially since they locked half the difficulties options for no reason
EVERY event that claims you can earn a cool reward ends up being locked behind needing a purchase. The current one requires skins from the skin line you are working towards "earning" one of lol
Most people wouldn’t know this, but Jon diesta the art director for this game is the same one from Disney infinity and it’s super apparent when you look at the styles.
Thanks for the knowledge
That makes a ton of sense. Disney Infinity wasn't a perfect game (it was pretty bad actually) but it did a fantastic job of representing tons of franchises in one cohesive art style.
Neat, yeah now that I think about it they look similar
thats accualy awsome
Damn, first Disney Infinity getting gutted, and now Multiverse going through freemium hell with an extremely conflicted fanbase.
Poor guy can't catch a break.
My Wonder Woman skin that I bought in beta was never given back to me 😂.
David Zaslav (CEO of Warner) you got me again dude very funny prank !!
I got all my items n more…
@@Literallii Wow man, that's so awesome for you and only you.
@@Literallii brother you are dense as hell if you don't see a problem
@@Literallii”I still haven’t gotten my things from when I supported the game in beta.” “Well only if you supported the game in beta…”
That sounds like a skill issue
Whenever Reindog is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "where is Reindog?"
genius
Thatll really raise their stock prices
What if lebron in the finale of bugs Bunny smash bros says, “Lebron, what a joke,” throws his ball away, and uses reindog’s gem in his honor
it's starting to seem like plat-fighter fans are in an abusive relationship with an entire genre
Literally, each game we love has something terrible about it. And the ones we want to love just suck😂
save me rivals 2
Bh is fine
Rivals 2 will deliver us from all the sins of the past
@@MisterZebra42 rivals 2 will probably have a content issue no?
Actually, Iron Giant's instant kill counter move is a ludonarrative reference to his original source material, a movie about how attacking people is bad
This is genius
Whydo you did not need to send me into a minor panic attack with the big chungus trademark
This is what the disclaimer in the video description is for, I am not legally liable for any cognitohazard related injuries
I had a oanick attack reading this
The word chungus was created by James Stephanie Sterling over a decade ago and means "chunky anus".
We really are living in an age where companies are trademarking memes they didn't make. Copyright needs reform.
They put big chungus in the loony toons game which is funny
I will forever be envious of the Multiversus team managing to make crossover VA look easy
loool
I still remember your tweet in response to the announcement that multiversus will have full-fledged voice acting feeling like Mr Incredible from the Incredible 2 when he found out that Elastigirl saved an entire train without any casualties.
Holy shit its the garfield bros guy hiii
The worst part about my 400+ hours of MVS (release, not beta) has to be the fact that, no matter how much hope I have for this game to succeed and no matter who I ask, I and many others have NO IDEA what is going on. We know mid season patches are coming but no idea what's in them until AT BEST the day before. We have a community manager that leaves the community unmanaged and tweets more about 2XKO than Jabversus. Multiversus twitter, PFG, and even the community representatives like NAKAT and AJAX are more interested in saying beetlejuice beetlejuice than anything that will give hope to it's tired playerbase. The entire gameplay can be summed up to be "fishes for nair", "fishes for jab", and "sucks don't play them". For a game that supposedly discourages camping, clinging to the wall and not interacting with your opponent until they get impatient and whiff is the best gameplay strategy. Those big flashy moves that would normally be punished by shielding aren't even punishable now since 99% of the moves you think would have any sort of whiff lag just don't? It sucks that they preached greater communication when the best we get is a showcase of something that nobody cares about because the fundamental core of the game is equivalent to Chernobyl.
The Reindog point reminds me of this one time AlphaRad mentioned on a video that on one his sponsored Multiversus videos, he had poked fun on a lot of the characters, silly jabs and insults, and whoever was in charge of making sure the video was up to WB standards was okay with all of it.... Except Reindog, any jab like "Reddit bait dog" or things of the sort was asked to be removed because they cared too much about Reindog
thats utterly pathetic of them lmfao.... (not alpharad btw)
That's freaking stupid and petty that alpharad couldn't make fun of reindog
For some strange reason, Reindog has never been available as a free rotation character since the launch. Joker managed to be playable for free before Reindog.
@@Moi_Ariimagine if Reindog is something like one of the developer’s children’s ideas? Would you be cool with people shitting on your kids stuff? Video Game Devs include homages to people they care about frequently
@@Ballsackson Well maybe if they put their mascot in an actually good game they wouldn't have to worry about that. Moreover you don't put things in a game and not expect people to not make fun of it, nobody is entitled to anybody's respect that's just life
Big Chungus is already a character in the Looney Tunes mobile game, meaning there is already a model, moveset, and voice lines ready to go
He will arrive soon.
💀
The word chungus was created by James Stephanie Sterling over a decade ago and means "chunky anus".
well according to leakers, yeah he will appear as character eventully
@@alexgameland5177 ☠️
7 years late in that meme
Really, really well done! I did my own deep-dive review of MultiVersus awhile back, but even after wallowing through this game myself for weeks, it was still insightful to see it from the perspective of a) someone doing everything free-to-play, b) someone who's seen months more post-launch work done, and c) someone who's studied Federal Trade Commission publishings LMAO
Dang, MockRock and Thaddeus in a WhyDo comment section. This video's current views doesn't reflect how hard it feels like it's popping off.
Yeah this game is a massive disappointment.
Also quick sidenote the GAME RUNS WORSE in lower end devices the beta I could play 4 player local in my laptop no problem. Now with the engine switch it's a lot more resource intensive and lags on my laptop
I LOVE THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION WOOOOOO!!!!
Why are you commenting on your own video
@@TanookyTenekagod forbid people interact with their fans 💀
dude I'm at the part where I'm having a literal scam explained to me and I'm like "dear God. okay well. I get why this game sucks now" and then I look at the timeline and there's 40 MORE MINUTES OF SHIT??? YO???? is this game fucking cooked??jesus christ man
I had the same rollercoaster 😂
the community for this game is literally masochists. I don't get how people are like "this game COULD be incredible"
Like they took AN ENTIRE YEAR TO REWORK THE GAME ON A NEW ENGINE AND MADE IT WORSE, what kind of copium do you need to smoke to still think there is a possibility to pull a "no mans skys" WHEN THIS IS their "no mans skys" and it flopped, twice.
god damn didnt know i was going to report Warner bros to the FTC but everyday is new day full of surprises
that 5/10 was actually generous. wth
David Zaslav hit Warner Brothers like how crack hit low-income neighborhoods in the 80s
Oh my god 😭
Thank you Reagan
Genuinely feels like this game treats its "Free To Play" players as "Free"loaders. At every turn in PvE, you're paying money. At some points where you would need to spend money, you could have bought a new and better game, (and often not even pay) for the amount of money you spent.
"If you want to make a game free-to-play, you need to be OK with people playing your game for free" - extra credits
I was completely caught off guard by the trademark. It was like I heard the name of my fathers killer
WhyDo I need you to know that this review is some of the most incredible games journalism I've ever seen. This is such a thorough dissection of every aspect of a major release analyzing every element and choice that make up the final product, and most impressively you did it completely and entirely in good faith.
I so desperately hope the lead devs at Player First Games get a chance to see this and maybe even more importantly, the correct mid-level exec at WB games. This is a thorough and earnest step-by-step guide for both the developers and the business office to turning this disaster into something beautiful complete with industry comparisons to aspire to that helps more removed higher-ups understand the actual value proposition of implementing these changes.
"Multiversus is a game where the whole is so much worse than the sum of its parts" ........... damn.
19:30 WELCOME BACK BRAWL META KNIGHT
I put 300 hours into Multiversus before realizing 299 of those hours were spent in misery and deleted it
Fuck rifts
Which hour was the good one
Probably the first hour@@qdakid7776
@@qdakid7776The 1 hour he got to play as Iron Giant, before promptly having him removed from the game
This is also one of Mark Hamil's final times as the joker, due to his batman passing.
"His batman passing." Feels/10. Conroy was a spark of light.
The Arkham series, or that one end scene to Killing Joke are good enough for me.
“*Not a complete list”
Well, obviously. You very clearly left out Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of the Legendary Legends.
Nice lol
That game was the goat
(Jk It was decent, but I still liked It when I was younger)
@@rigboy1234 I never played it but I remember finding out about it as a kid, watching gameplay, getting super excited about it and then being horribly disappointed to find out that it was no longer purchasable on steam. Game legit looked pretty fun tho iirc.
Thought you meant LeBron James Smash Bros the same way people say Sans Undertale to refer to what game a character is from and was very confused for a sec
It ain't wrong if people know what you're talking about.
Super Shaq Bros.
@@autobotstarscream765 YESSSSS WE NEED SHAQ FOR SMASH 6
LeBron Life
I was actually an alpha tester for this game, and it’s crushing to see what they’ve done with it.
Yeah the alpha was so good. This game fell off hard
Mock Rock and Whydo are the same person confirmed.
I recently did the Shuckle part for MockRock's 'Ranking ALL 1025 Pokémon As Smash 6 Fighters!' - it was a lot of fun and he was great to talk to - however I can confirm we are not the same person, as there is nobody on this Earth who is a bigger fan of Shuckle than me. In fact, his favorite Pokemon is NOT EVEN Shuckle - a borderline unforgivable offense
@@WhyDoI’d love if you did more collabs with him if the opportunity ever comes around as when it comes to smashtubers or anything around that environment you two basically the only ones I watch.
@@WhyDoyou don't fuckle with shuckle
@@WhyDo Glad to see another Shuckle enjoyer around
Sameee, I mean I watch the underdogs sometimes but these two are the only ones I consistently watch and enjoy@@competitively3315
I wish more people talked about the literally illegal practices this game does.
Also, there's still plenty of people who bought Founder packs in the beta and STILL DO NOT HAVE THEIR FOUNDER PACKS FROM THE BETA and Warner Brothers support *refuses* to respond to them or give them refunds. All they reply with is "we're investigating" and ghosting them. It's such crap.
Multiversus is the Overwatch of fighter games
Worse, it's the Overwatch *2* of fighting games.
@@Hawkatana at least overwatch characters are finally free, this game is slightly more greedier then OW2 atm
Now I’m just sad remembering that this Overwatch season just kind of sucks.
Why would you complement the game like that when it charged you money for almost all its characters?
Overwatch gives you all the characters for free, hell, not even Smash does that, and that's after you pay up front for the game!
I don’t see any nsfw
when you brought up the characters unlocked timeline I genuinely thought you were about to say that you permanently lost access to the Iron Giant after they released him from balancing prison which does not reflect well on the rest of the game
Multiversus is what it feels like to fight someone in a dream
THAT IS SO ACCURATE WTF
After everything you said, then gave it a 5/10 and said "it might sound harsh" I was quite surprised
That actually sounds pretty generous to me lol
Lmao looking back I might value 'fun' a little too much...
I did have a lot of initial fun in doubles, but to me a 4/10 game is where games start to have 0 redeeming qualities. Yes this one is pure evil but if it's evil AND chaotic/fun for a while... it gets a few points!
@@WhyDo I don't know, I have very little experience in the game but 4/10 sounds right to me from what I've played plus what I learned from this video, but everyone has different standards for a __/10 rating system so it's understandable.
Either way, I just want to say I loved the video, really funny, very informative and it's just generally really well made
@@WhyDo is 5 average? Or are you one of those "7 is average" people
@@WhyDoI say this with as much enthusiasm and love I can give this game: it is mid. If you throw out the parts of it that are a crime, it is a game built by and for a focus group. It aspires to being average, and it almost succeeds at that. It’s not a complete trainwreck, but it did turn somebody into paste. It is lovable in a way only a kusoge can be, and it also has Bugs Bunny. The audience for “clearly broken in funny ways” fighters has always been there, and the only knock it has for the sadists who play the Sailor Moon fighting game is microtransactions and the live service model
Man that animation bit is such an eye opener. Like you, I always felt like something was off but could never put it into words. But now it totally makes sense. I never noticed just how much characters just glide along the floor if they're still doing an aerial attack when hitting the ground. Some animations look good but how the actual movement of the character around the stage doesn't match. Wonder Woman's forward special attack is a good example; the actual anticipation of her charging up the attack is there but she slows down her momentum and then gains it in the punch but it moves her whole body very stiffly. It doesn't help that you can even control her momentum, almost making it look like she barely moved. From a gameplay perspective it's somewhat nice to be able to have that control but visually it doesn't look right at times.
Towards the end I was starting to get worried cause we got to the end of the ice burg without any mention of the illegal stuff. The last 10 minutes by far did not disappoint and made it up completely
The length of this video really explains the six month wait. I love the videos, glad yer still here.
I genuinely think the reason Multiverses has the physics it does is because the dev team showed it to the WB execs and they were like “I don’t understand any of this could you slow it down?”
Same with the Unreal Engine switch, feels like the Execs went “well you’re using Unreal 4, why not update to that new one?” Understanding nothing at all other than ‘more recent and made the mandolorian’
NINETY-THREE MINUTES?!?!?
about THIS game?!?!?
WhyDo you crazy sunnuvagun
He could’ve spent those 93 minutes trying to unlock 1/20 of a character smh
@@michaelkarim57 More like .00000000001% of a character.
Adding on a bit:
- The perk system is incredibly shallow even compared to the beta. A dozen of the perks were removed, and many of the remaining ones are still useless. At most, you're going to have two perks sets: one that's anti-projectile, and one for everything else.
- The game tries to hide mission requirements constantly. It will ask for a detective character, from DC, and it only counts if you play PVP. Stipulations on progress like these can make the game immensely frustrating, as you will have any one of those things but still be unable to complete the mission. This is compounded by many of the fighter categories being straight up wrong. You would expect Marvin, a character focused on reversing projectiles, to be a mage yeah? Nope he is an assassin for some reason. Because obviously someone who enjoys Finn and Arya is going to enjoy spammy martian man.
- The game has nearly no way to check your long term stats. It will give you your recent winrate, but you can't check past seasons results or anything. The game bullies you into grinding but then hides how long you have actually been grinding.
- For a game labelled as a 'platform fighter,' there are almost no platforms on most stages. The vast majority of stages are long, flat planes with no hazards but low ceiling blastzones. And on the stages with platforms, they provide only the most basic movement opportunities and expressions you can think of.
Good points - the perk thing really is sad, too. Perks in CoD generally have a big impact on the way you play, giving you new abilities or things to do... but these perks definitely feel very 'tacked on' in comparison. The only one I thought was truly cool was the gravity cancel thing (and you have to sacrifice midair parries for it...)
In CoD a perk will let me sneak up on people like a ninja, hack enemy equipment, dive onto the objective without worrying about explosives... in MvS I'm like 'oh awesome! 5% more damage!' 'oh cool! 7% more damage!' 'wow! my melee attacks do slightly more damage!'
@@WhyDo Moderate percentile increases are the bane of modern game design.
@@RougeMephilesClone what, you're saying you don't like seeing "+3.65% fart damage on tuesdays and fridays"????
@@qwertzy121212 "at 2:39 AM but only in downtown Detroit"
“This music makes me feel like I’m at a bugs bunny themed funeral! Bugs bunny is dead.” -whydo 2024
"Elmer Fudd got him"
I believe they added Reindog to put a purely support character
Have a character that isn't really prone to violence, and is just here to protect and help his friends and allies
Yes, I have seen the Iron Giant, why do you ask?
I'm pretty sure Big Chungus was found in the files in the beta alongside Pickle Rick as well so uh yeah
I'd heard that rumor too, but I couldn't find any evidence for it, let me know if you find anything! I mostly just saw the trademark filing (which is terrifying)
Pickle Rick was the only one in the files, but big Chungus was leaked but i don't think that he will be realesed
It was so funny seeing Meowmix absolutely exasperated with this game knowing he was one of the best players for both Super Shrek Slam and Kirby Fighters 2, both certified kusoge
DOES THIS MEAN WE'L GET MORE ITEM BREAKERS?!
Missed ya WhyDo, glad you're back!
Truly the best smash bros content on the internet, its amazing
figuring out how to say the "Big Chungus trademark jumpscare" was the hardest I've laughed in weeks without harming myself and those around me
I'm just repeating mockrock's video here, but the engine switch was apparently largely to do with needing to rework the game to make rollback netcode work, and given community response and lack of playability of all other online solutions for fighters, that one's more understandable than "so shaggy's sandwich would have 15 more pixels"
This was acknowledged and I'm pretty disappointed whydo didn't make this point. Seems like a weird thing to not give them credit for. One of the biggest problems with the beta was the net code. Making a new engine to fit the net code fixes one of their biggest problems. They did screw the pooch in just about everything else tho
@@drdepression4605 Whydo was right to call out that the marketing implied it was for graphical fidelity, and that a year wasnt nearly enough time for that changeover, but I agree its an important addendum.
@@relloz6 yeah I'm sure they would have taken longer but big WB probably screwed them on the deadline. I hate big companies. Whether it's movies games or shows it's like they all decided to be as scummy as possible and release Terrible products as a standard. What's going on these days.
In any case, I feel like the “graphical fidelity” excuse is less about being dishonest or dumb, and more about the fact the game is built for people who think UI Shaggy is still funny and don’t know what rollback means
"I've spent over $250 on this game" and "Multiversus never has hurt me" do NOT belong in the same paragraph as each other...
Spending 250 dollars on a single game should never be considered _normal._
Only game I've spent that much and more on is Fortnite... I just like Marvel and Starwars too damn much.
> Take away all the pawns to make... Super Chess
David Sirlin's "Chess 2: The Sequel" out here catching strays.
Have you seen Fantasy Strike? Or how he bullied Yomi Hustle into changing their name, because it infringed on his card game nobody played? That man should be catching strays like a dog pound trying to get employee of the month
I've been a developer working with Unreal for a few years now, enough to have to go from UE4 to UE5. So if I had to guess for why they had to change engine :
A bit of context first :
Ue5 is mostly just an update of ue4. It's pretty much the same engine with a few new stuff and some of its features finally properly useable (more on that later). It's totally possible to launch a "small" or "medium" UE4 project on UE5, and have it work with little to nothing to do. For bigger projects, it's usually harder, as they tend to use more complex engine's features that are very likely to change and break from an engine version to another.
Now for why it's actually very long and complex to switch from UE4 to UE5 : Unreal Engine is a broken mess, hold together by the sweat, blood and tears of any (now caffeine addicted) developer who had to touch it. To deal with this issue, it's very common, if not mandatory, for studios to develop their own internal version of the engine, which makes updating to a new official version go from hard to hellish. I let you guess where going from UE4 to UE5 is on the scale of a game like multiversus.
So why did they change the engine:
First, the new engine versions tend to introduce features who are easier to use, more convenient and just overall better than their old counterpart. If you have for objective to update your game for several years, updating regularly your version of UE for those features is a pretty good idea.
Second: bug fixes, Unreal has bugs that are pretty much unfixable without updating your engine version.
Third : Tech update, it gets more rare as time go on, but it's still common to have older games having a hard time being run on new PC config. Regularly updating your engine is a way to prevent this.
As mentioned earlier, Unreal is broken and a lot of its modern features were marked as "experimental" (aka broken) in UE4. For a simple, way too personal, example : There is no intended way in UE4 to remap your keyboard and controller in game, you have to do a lot of work and find workarounds to do it. In UE5, there is a proper way, which is very different from any of the workaround you could've done. So you pretty much have to throw your works and redo it. Except this time it should be safe from breaking in a future engine update and easier to maintain in the long run. (It's rarely a good idea to base your project on workaround and old tech, as they tend to introduce bugs and issues as the development and maintenance go. For example: TF2 code is a nightmarish mess as it was build on workaround and contains a lot of now obsolete techs).
In summary : I'm pretty sure they updated the engine to make long terms maintenance and development of the project easier.
To be fair, they probably didn't really need to go for the engine change, but I mostly wanted to say that the choice was probably more complicated than just : It's for better lighting.
A quick note on the UI looking exactly like Fortnite, (for those who still want to read my awful english):
UE5 has one of the best UI system you can get in any engine, but programming for controller support for UE's UI is a huge pain in the behind. So to not become mad from doing the implementation, developers will either go for the copy fortnite option, the fake cursor one or both.
(It doesn't really excuse the crappy changes, but I find this a bit funny)
45:51 Hi, survivor of Gundam Evolution here, yes, having missions locked behind battle passes and premium-locked characters (of whom can only be unlocked by extreme grind or extortionate prices) DOES suck and it DOES taper off the player count and health of a game, and it DOES lead to the servers shutting down.
43:03 This guy is experiencing his first toxic relationship and he doesn't even know it. He has given his girlfriend almost all of his money without receiving anything in return, but is still keeping the relationship going in hopes that she will better herself in the future (it's not going to happen).
I’m gonna take an educated guess and say this is not the first game that guy has spent too much money on.
I was just coming to say this same thing. "Multiversus never hurt me." Bruh, Multiversus stole $250 from you and didn't give you anything for it. They have genuinely hurt him. It's sad to see. :(
I just found out that the art designers for disney infinity worked on multiversus, and I also found out that disney infinity has a steam version that includes all the characters without the toy to life crap, and after playing it I can confirm that despite being a sanbox game that basically plays like the lego games, it has better fighting game gameplay than multiversus. At least that shit has a block button.
I'm very glad this video exists because never before did i think i'd learn about a new low in the gaming industry like this. Like bad games can be charming, but this isn't bad, it's good and predatory, and this whole video really gave me thz feeming of digging down with a shovel to ungodly extent.
Also thanks for giving me a new meme to laugh about, i think i will spam reindog in my friends' dms a lot from now on (until it stops being funny to me)
around 11:20 is when i realized i would not be able to finish this video before dinner
The big chungus trademark is the only thing in a long time to send me into genuine uncontrollable maniacal laughter
It makes me so sad that so much multiversus content on youtube is negative and that it gets so much bad press in general. It makes me even sadder that most of it is compleatly warranted. I love this game and have loved it since the beta and I want it tu succeed so badly
me too, but spreading negativity is easier
As long as Warner keeps being Warner, it's not going to get better.
I can only hope that when the game inevitably shuts down, that fans will be able to make an offline version with none of the money grubbing BS
Out of curiosity, I went to the developer's page, and the main team members I saw were folks who worked on:
•God of War 3
•God of War Ascension
•League of Legends
•Star Chasers
•Jedi: Fallen Order
•Teamfight Tactics
•Hawken
And several folks from Activision-Blizzard or other Call of Duty studios.
From this, I conclude that yes, they are lacking experience from balancing fighting games, but I do see a lot of things in Multiversus that you can find in a lot of the games here.
This series of thumbnails is the funniest shit to me
Once I discovered the Bangers font, it was over
HARLEY QUINN PAY TO WIN SMASH BROS TWIN. I was just vibing and having a great time and suddenly whydo flies out of my headphones and smacks me across the face at mach 20. Excellent.
Actually one of the funniest and most well-produced videos I've seen in a while.
Popping off for a brief glimpse of Risk of Rain 2/Woolie and remembering what good game design looks like before returning to the horrors
Thank you for pointing out the air attack momentum changing. I've been trying to explain to others how awful it feels. More than characters feeling "slow" or "floaty", having to watch the animation complete before touching the ground just looks terrible
Honestly I'd have been down to pay a few bucks for characters I can have fun with and play with friends. But when you think a smash dlc character basically cost 5 bucks (without counting stage and music) and compare it to what they ask you for characters in multiversus... The worth just isn't there.
Add that to the fact for a while you couldn't even try characters before buying them... It's just sad man.
Recently they updated the game allowing you to play with all characters in offline mode, making the in-person game actually competitive! Wow that’s impressive isn’t it gang. If u can’t tell that’s sarcasm. But they did fix it, so I think that’s a +0.2 review score at least, making it a 5.533 (repeating 3)
So happy someone addressed the fact it's insane they just simply took a whole ass fighter out of the a game for a while. I understand he's broken but taking a character, that many people likely paid for, out and unplayable is simply not okay.
They did my homie Jason dirty (I still like his design, that’s like the one thing I like about Multiversus)
@@Cubeytheawesomethis was sent before he got to Jason but the fact it happened TWICE is disgusting
Regarding the big chungus copyright thing, no idea if you're aware but there's a loony tunes mobile game where big chungus is a unit so warner bros have already used him as a character, sort of.
LMAO I had no idea about this, that's comforting (?) to hear... unless..
...it's THE FIRST OF MANY
Reindog explained (sort of):
There is a lot of evidence in the files of the beta tests, and from the actual devs, that show that the game was initially going to be a fantasy-themed platform fighter, with very few actual "known" characters (they were planning on having Gandalf in that version but he was removed, and his attacks were recycled into Rick's? That's what I've heard at least, but there is a screenshot going around of Gandalf on the unused level in the files).
Reindog was the original idea for a character that was supposed to be just a random fighter in the original version, and seemed to be much more of a bruiser character (you can see in the concept art that Reindog looks pretty strong compared to now, where they cutesy'd him up a lot)
"Some of the strings inside the game's code refer to Reindog as "Creature" or "Rex"." - MVS unofficial wiki
Also Banana Guard was programmed in as a PVE enemy in the actual adventure mode that they had scrapped for the pay-to-win PVE they have now, he was just going to be a random mob at first and there was an item in free-for-all which spawned him as well.
Honestly I'm a big fan of Reindog's inclusion purely because of the fact that they have full creative freedom over him, but I believe the files also had info for atleast 2 more characters from the original game idea coming to this game and I'd like for them to be added in as well. Also I agree on the idea of making the original characters free.
I agree heavily with the most important points of the video
Shaggy having meme powers is perfectly fine, but him not knowing the difference between pastrami on rye and a club sandwich is an horrific butchering of the character and completely unacceptable. 0/10
I agree, its soooo bad. I liked the game at first and was going to watch a whydo video cause I love his channel, and ended up completely enflamed in rage at how dogcrap it is and it deserves so much fraud lawsuits. this sucks, they should just follow nickelodeon.
When you talked about the Discord, I had a horrifying realization. This game might be the modern Kusoge. The fact that this is even a possibility for a game backed by Warner Bros. in the modern day is astounding.
As an Iron Giant main I think I have an understanding of why he's the way he is. The game was designed WITHOUT him in mind, to explain it further Iron Giant's design of a character that's slow, most of his moves are slow, and he has big ass hurt boxes. This design in a game like smash would be annoying but could still function since he'd have stuff like shields, grabs, and more defensive options against characters who are just faster then him, but this game doesn't have shields. As a result characters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Tom & Jerry, Steven, Finn, Jake, Jason, Black Adam, Morty, Rick, Lebron James, Samurai Jack, Jo-yeah you get it EVERY CHARACTER CAN TRAP YOU IN INESCAPABLE COMBOS THAT CAN TAKE YOU FROM 10% - 90-100+%
Most of these situations include moves that can hit you multiple times making parrying worthless and giving you little time to dodge, and even if you dodge you're so big they'll just scoop you up again. This game isn't designed to have a character like IG and its so clear comparing his kit with other tanks how easy it can be to just screw him over without even breaking a sweat. They probably saw this in testing and thought "Well shit! How can this character do anything if you can just trap him in combos you can't really counter? I guess we just need to give him a way to break combos mid game." Then we got the spark, during the Beta it functioned extremely differently being more focused on how many screws you collect and having those screws take hits for you while you just had super armor, but now is just a burst that you can use to break out of combos. It's just a bandaid for a bigger problem with IG's design that can just barely work.
I went to your channel page to subscribe so you wouldn't have to add 1 nickel of shame to that god awful investment
I am extremely thankful for this kind gesture however, rules are rules, and as such I will be adding $0.05 because of this comment, it's time to suffer in the name of our glorious Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav
Masterpiece video. I knew the relaunched game was dire, but I didn't realise just how bad it was when not playing on an account with legacy beta content. Love the tag team Calls to Action of 'I will buy stock in a sinking ship of a company if you subscribe' and 'you can report this game to the FTC'.
Also 14:47 :)
YO you're the one who made the really clean Kazuya graphic?? Nice stuff it helped a lot when I was learning the character 👀
@@WhyDo Thanks. Yeah, the Sakurai presentation confused me so much, I made it just to understand what was happening.
BTW, your Steve tech is how I found out the Queen died.
This video's quality is so good. I think it's the Analogies for me, they are random but fun and help to describe more broad topics while not having to think too hard at the example. Also, your video essays are extremely well-paced, it perfectly moved through the iceberg metaphor and even insulted the game with its own mission system to get a higher review score.
10/10 video. Unfortunately, I think you underestimate the sheer power of being free and having Smiling Cartoon Mascot in it. This game could shoot itself in the foot twelve ways from Sunday and still have an audience because of the sheer amount of small children who only play free games. I cannot effectively express with words how large this body of players is. Whatever number you're thinking of right now, it's three times that. The only thing holding it back from dominating schoolyards everywhere is that it's not on Switch.
EDIT: Let me update/clarify. The point I'm making amounts to, "If this game makes it to Switch or any kind of mobile app store, all hope of it failing and WB learning anything from it flies out the window." I'm fully aware that it's failing on Steam. Small children don't know what Steam is.
I'd be curious what the PS/XBox numbers are like because kids have those.
Pretty sure Steam shows the amount of current players and it's not looking good. Though that is just Steam, there might be more players on console.
Wouldn't suprise me, if this game was so unoptimized, that the Switch wouldn't be able to run it. And I don't want to disrespect the devs, but having to switch the engine at the 11th hour, forcing them to have to rewrite a lot of stuff, doesn't make me hopefull, that there was time to optimize anything. Besides monetization of course.
@@Nephentineyeah, 4k peak players daily like 3 months after 100k player peak isn’t a good look
It's not the devs you should blame.
It's whatever shithead suit probably mandated it.
Not all of them have Mom's credit card fortunately
As a game developer. the phrase "We decided to switch to UE5" drives me insane! I am convinced these companies only do it to slap the "UE5" buzzword on their game. Most of them dont need UE5's features.
The "Lighting features" the devs mentioned is a system called lumen....which is a system for making hyper realistic lighting, and is not meant for stylized games such as multiverses. And it in fact makes stylized games look worse. (or requires significantly more work to make it look good, as opposed to UE4's default lighting solution.)
90% of games making the switch from UE4 to UE5 do not need to do so, especially since they have been doing fine with UE4. I even explicitly choose UE4 as opposed to UE5 when starting new games, cause some features were removed that make specific genre's of games and specific art styles harder to achieve in UE5. (It all depends on the needs of the project in question.
Also the UI stuff they say is BS. The UI system in UE4 and UE5 is identical. Works exactly the same way, and when you migrate to UE5 it automaticly updates your UIs. There may be some compiler errors, but that doesn't require rebuilding from scratch.
Haha thanks for your input, that makes sense. On my end, very much not a pro game dev, but I've been working on a game in Godot for a while... and if I was on a team and someone said: 'hey, you know this project we've been working on for years? Let's switch it from Godot 3 to Godot 4!" I think my head would explode.
I read the EULA on my games before I play. I'm not a lawyer, but I felt something off from MultiVersus's EULA. To the point that, despite my excitement for the Beta, for the first time in my life I said "I'm not using this because I don't agree with the Terms of Service".
After seeing this video, I consider that to be one of the best decisions I have made.
When a youtube video is so obsessive and pedantic that it references a scratch game, I kneel and subscribe
I'm so happy that you brought other platform fighters that aren't smash or smash clones. Platform fighters nowdays always have to be a crossover with a damage-percentage based system and the same directional inputs as smash
1:02:16 this might be my favorite bait and switch joke, you just start talking about cod after not (at least i dont recall you talking about cod extensively till now) even bringing it up during the vid and thats so funny
1:07:34 That’s actually a good analogy for the people who say that buffing movement and attack options is always better than nerfing
The FTC example mentions a company making false claims, and Multiversus LITERALLY has false "claims."
I have over 2k hours in the game counting beta/full release. Great video, entertaining while bringing up many of the issues that plague MVS.
I'm one of the rare people who completed every rift solo and maxed all gems without spending. I'd say it was a boring mindless grind 95+% of the time, with around 5% being fun challenges on the highest difficulty. Definitely not worth the massive time investment and I don't think many casuals would be able to do it.
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"Sounds like a skill issue" Ohh, that made my blood boil for a minute.
They all do it
A lot of multiversus players are like this it's very annoying
@@XAVIERTHEDOOFUS I enjoy the game, I cope that it can only get better, but nahhh that kid was still getting new acc juicers and didn't realize it. Cause getting characters in this game feels like "Ok, me and each kid can all pick a character based on who we (canonically) like. After that we need to save up for the rest of the season if we want anyone actually good". Also of course you need whoever is locked behind the battle pass too if you plan on playing ranked.
finally, a kusoge with battlepass and premium gem
edit: and reindog. how could i forget reindog
This is my introduction video to your channel and let me just say, im here to stay. Absolute banger video. I've felt some type of way about this game and couldn't put my finger on it and this just describes it perfectly.
Samurai Jack's up special description has a typo
If Smash Bros is an all you can eat buffet then Multiversus is a snack bar. All the food is basic and simple and while it tastes good there is no way you can eat at a snack bar every day. But of course in this case you have to either pay insane amounts of money or eat there 50 times in order to be able to have all the snacks there
I feel like this is how DougDoug would describe this with food
I always forget how small WhyDo's channel actually is. By far my favorite platform fighter TH-camr. He deserves so much more attention. Yknow hes just one of my favorite youtubers in general
A crossover game that is trying as hard as it can to NOT let you play with the crossover characters
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My friend, I’m sad to report that it already happened. Big Chungus was officially included as a character in a mobile Looney Tunes RPG.
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Loving your video so much that I had to edit in another comment. I don’t know about Rick’s Down Special, but I can explain the mindset of being turned into Reindog on the Townsville stage.
See, the device Mojo Jojo uses to turn players into Useless-Form Reindog is the Head of Anubis. Contextually, this kind of makes sense because, in the episode that is being referenced, that’s what he used the head for. To turn people into useless dogs. In hindsight, I find this ironic, because when the PPG were turned into dogs, they eventually realized, “Oh, yeah. We’re dogs. Let’s just maul his ass”.
Some might still ask, “Okay, but why make them Reindog in MultiVersus?”. Why, to save on time and resources, of course! They already had the assets for Useless Reindog thanks to Rick, so they just hit copy and paste. It’s jarring, but still…kind of faithful.
I spent most of my data to watch this and i have no regrets
Thank you for your sacrifice
Thank you for making this because I genuinely couldn't get myself to do so. I originally planned to and the longer I went on the life was sapped from my very being. Thank you for suffering for me.
I just wanted to say, I'm really glad you called out the animations and sound design of Smash. We usually think of those things as just fluff, if we even think of them at all, but they're incredibly important to making a game *visceral*. That's especially important to engaging with a fast-paced action-heavy game like a platform fighter.
I am so glad I’m not the only one who felt that there was a lack of moves. I really feel like certain characters could benefit from having tilt attacks alongside smash attacks.
Characters like Marvin specifically having more melee attacks alongside buffing his current melee attacks while nerfing his projectiles slightly to make him a better assassin and less of a mage. Marvin literally has no proper melee kill moves which is weird for an assassin.
Samurai Jack's down air being a foot away from him when other sword users have better hit boxes
The fact that I'm already subscribed, and the whole "Every subscriber I will put money into Bugs Bunny Smash" makes me want to unsubscribe so you don't lose money, haha
Sadly TH-cam studio lets you see new subs and unsubs from the time range around when you upload a video.
okay but wheres the part 2 to the mii brawler move tier list
I want to give a date, however I have recently learned something about myself, which is that I should never, ever mention dates ever
@@WhyDo so it's next week, got it
This is such a well made video. You outlined a lot of issues I have with the game but just didn't know how to articulate them even down to the animations. Well done