Mitsubishi 4G63T vs 4B11T: Which One is Better?
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At the absolute peak of high-horsepower cars, it would appear the 4G63T is the better engine. With a massive aftermarket backing and decades of testing behind it, the 4G63 simply has more backing and has proven itself more times than the 4B11T, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the better engine.
As I discussed in the 4B11T video, it never really got the same amount of love or aftermarket attention, mostly because it was only used in the Ralliart and Evo X for a short period. Simply put, there were less applications and less 4B11s out there compared to the 4G63T.
The 4B11T is arguably the better street engine because of the dual MIVEC system and more effecient turbocharger, ultimately allowing it to produce more usable low-end power than the 4G63. That being said, it's very easy to argue the 4G63T is the better engine at the limit because of its vast aftermarket support compared to the 4B11.
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Realistically speaking, we generally buy cars for the car itself and not just the engine. When I was searching for an Evo, I test drove numerous evo8s and 9s, but ended up buying the very first evox I test drove. I convinced myself before hand that I wanted the 4G63 Evo, but after experiencing the evox comfort and added features over the older evos, It was a no brainier that I felt like I was getting more for the money. Fast forward almost 5yrs, my Evo is making around 650whp, still on its original oem never opened t-case, diff , and bone stock trans..forged sleeved engine yes. I made the best choice.. and it's my daily.. I have put over 100k on it in 5 yrs
I have an X tuned to just over 400kw at the wheels, the engine was virtually stock with just a couple of bolt ons, and lasted almost 300,000 km. Eventually the timing chain jumped a tooth and the engine failed, but that's more due to the fact that it was the original chain and it had basically worn out. The majority of the internals (those not busted by the timing chain failure) are still in perfect working order.
I still have the car, only the repairs are beyond my means at the moment. One day she'll ride again!
Wish i could have one but i refuse to buy one used as i know people beat the shit out of these cars and the STi subaru is making right now look like a glorified toyota corolla so i think ill never have one don't understand why they stoped making the evo
@@emlix1 evo lx with just a tune on e85 400+awhp
My g54b lasted almost 30 yrs with over 250k miles on it before a rebuild
@@user-fk2si1xc2s Yea its takes more than that. But the evo9 does make the most power with less effort than any other 4g63 mivec makes a big difference . The 4b11 is a smoother more efficient engine but takes way more money to make equal power .
I own a 92 GVR4 with 425hp and 220,000 miles that I regularly beat on with stock internals💢
😍tell me more😍
I own a 09 X 77000km
400hp at engine
Driven Evo 7 and 8
Here is my general experience
The 4g simply feels more raw and brutal with sudden boosting feels very strong but definitely feel the lag and sluggishness in the lower rpms
The Evo X feels definitely more refined less brutal more consistent torque and power band through the revs
The turbo lag is minimal and car responds so rapidly to boost and picks up speed to fast it’s shocking After fast it spools and slams through the gears
It’s by far the more advanced faster and more reliable engine.
But that's part of what makes the 4G so great in my opinion, I have an Evo IX and I just love the raw nature of it, I love the turbo laag (as stupid as it sounds), and I love the power surge once it finally gets on boost, it just feels so raw and emotional, I love it... (even though it may be objectively worse)
Yes 4G63-T is a legendary engine for a number of years already and it has proven itself from time to time, it holds some of the most impressive records in the motorsport scene be it rally,track racing, and even drag racing. But when mitsubishi made the 4B11 it was actually a product of things that they have learned from the weaknesses of the 4G63-T. So nevertheless, its safe to say that the 4B11 is the result of everything that has always been the weakness of the 4G63-T.
FU.. TALK WHEN YOU BEEN IN A 1400 HP EVO 10..
@@mickleeds9335 Evo 10 has the "4B11T" engine...also used in the Hyundai i30N ..
Agree 100% , ya dont sleep with them 4b11t they are coming , i love to biuld a sfwd with a 4b11t to race against yhem hondas
I heavily Agree Osama and it's always good to have a conversation with ya as you know your stuff when it comes to Mitsubishi and that's super dope haha. But honestly I think the 4B11 also took FAR less time to get into the 7's unlike how long it took Evo 8's and 9's with the Evo variant 4G63 that also seemed to be revised from all the DSM's issues as well since most of them have been corrected on the Evo's version of the 63. So I also agree that I think the 4B11 is going to takeover from the 63 in due time because it's seeming to be closer to K series style Semi-Closed deck design to their open design but slightly better and also is an Aluminum block just like the K but the sleeves seem to handle way more as well as the block itself seems to be just as strong as the 63's as you don't need to get a billet reinforcement like the Honda guys do to go over 900whp+ to be reliable
Tbh 4b11t has been my favorite because of the cons with the 4g63t and that now you can make the same power as the evo 8/9 and there cheaper than the evo 8/9 it's a no brainer to go with the evo x now (it looks better anyway)
4g63t is the ak47 of 4cyl engines
Actually that's Honda
Honda? Nah 🤦
@@thefngoat2888 nah
Yea...I love Mitsubishi but Honda has that title. B16, k20, k24, etc..
ken S Nah, Honda’s the M16 of 4 cylinders. 4G63 is the AK.
I've had both...both are great!
Which did you prefer tho🤔.. personally after having had both
Both cuts are good.
From galant vr4 until now... Evo x... I like them all..
Im Glad you make a youtube Channel you do have some nice Deep information to share
Awesome video very informative thank you for taking the time to put it out a couple things that I don't know if you mentioned it or not because I'm interrupting the video in the middle is the fact that they changed the 4G63 in 2000+ engines for USDM market they reversed the cylinder head layout and move the engine to the passenger side of the engine compartment rather than the driver side prior and some of the people might not know what a 1g & 2g unless you tell them about the eclipse aka DSM
Thanks for watching 🤙
There may be better aftermarket support for the 4g63 but the aftermarket for the 4b11 is plenty strong too. You can buy top notch parts for building the motor no problem. It's like comparing a supermarket to a slightly bigger supermarket. Also stock 4b11t at 500hp don't really last all that long. It's mostly torque dependent but pushing 320-340 torques on the stock rods is asking for trouble. I'm sure there's plenty of survivor bias out there but if you want a bulletproof 500-600hp 4b11 do the rods.
Like your videos man.
Very informative.
My turner at English Racing told me that both engines when fully built are the same in terms of reliability and power and also said a 800 hp 4b11t is a lot more street friendly than a 4g63t bc on the 4g63 if u want to make that power ull have to half or full fill the coolant passages in the block with concrete to help the cylinders from warping but on the 4b11 u change the sleeves
i see alot of 6 bolt 4g63t pushing 1000awhp no problem just forget engines
m see a lot lol @ TH-cam
I call bull on that one the way the 4g is built from the factory plenty have gone above and beyond in terms of reliability with the most common mishaps in terms of failure mostly coming from newbie mistakes and neglects in service both of which will completely destroy an engine in minutes or miles depending on the severity and level of said neglect.
@@clarencepollard1253 English racing is the best they build the fastest evos and dsms. 4gs always blow up around 400hp if u don't forge the internals with exception to the evo 8 and 9 are reliable at 500 older 6 bolts and especially 7 bolts 4gs are not reliable at all . The 4b also doesn't have stupid balance shalfs and it has a timing chain that in itself is smarter and more reliable with smarter engineering .
@@ace-qi9pj 4g63s blow up at 400 hp on stock internals , do you even have any idea what your talking about Lmao, I have been into DSMs since 1992 , maybe get a clue seriously, saying the 7 bolts in Evos is stronger then the 6 bolts , where do you get this stuff from lol
Long live 4G63💢
Can we stop assuming that everything that is "forged" is super strong? Like these could take 400-500hp. The CAST bottom end in the Saab 9000 B234R can take 850hp and didn't even break in that car because he was just testing. It's all about design not just manufacturing process
@phoenix8129 then you missing out bruh haha.. Theres plenty of them
Well it's not that, but it's just generally the Cast bottom ends usually don't last long even if they CAN do very high power for the most part, so most don't push them like that when they can just get a better part with a better & stronger material to push for a longer amount of time that you risk it breaking far less than you would with a Cast engine or part usually.. Besides, most of the time too, forged parts usually are lighter weight as well which does help
@@jordanprice9285 the lower weight is true and you can get bigger pistons too. But the guy I'm talking about is Robert Uhr from Nordic performance and he has run that engine for quite some time now, stock 9000 parts, he uses a a lot of OEM parts in is racecar.
The japanese seem to like forging. I know toyota does a lot of forging to reduce weight and material used.
Speak on it
Why leave the decision making to viewer when I think most of us watching is to see your opinion on which is better engine
Ok, to answer your question we first need to specify in what application is the engine used. With new emission standards in Ca for example, the 4b11t will pass the tests at higher HP and Turks. For racing or places where emissions are not a factor, I would take the 4g63t every time. Iron block can handle massive boost and make huge numbers. Reliable????below 500 hp they both are ok.
4B11T. AMS, Boostin, Kozmic, SSP, STM, C-West, ETS...I could go on. There are plenty of 650+ Evo X’s out there and the aftermarket for 4G63 is going EOL, Evo X is just getting started now warranties are ending for 2013-2015’s.
The only reason people dont like the 4b11 is because it's in a heavier car. The dislike of the engine borders on the irrational. My choice is 4b is better
I have high hopes for the 4b11 that mitsubishi thought it was good enough to take place of the 4g63 with the new regulations but I do have the question of if one of the reasons that the 4g63 is considered the better motor is because of the aftermarket backing. which one would be better just looking at the stock motor or looking as if both motors had the same aftermarket backing?
4G62T FTW!!! Yes I have one in my Cordia. Jet valves and all.
It's hard for me to see the choice of engine apart from the rest of the specifications. I have an Evo IX, so at least there you have the "half MIVEC" which does make a noticable difference IMHO (as does the 6-speed, although I hear it's more fragile for higher power applications). I can not complain about throttle response at all (after a serious retune, the standard maps are a bit... weird). I kept it at a conservative 400BHP, and the car is now into its 14th year without missing a beat (daily driver with occasional track days). Could I easily squeeze out another 100BHP? Probably, but I value reliability and peace of mind over the extra oomph.
but what if you use the evo x turbo on the evo lx will be faster because is lighter too
What parts need to be changed to make such powerful motors
I have an old car. I want to strengthen it.
Awesome video as always. By the way can you make a video on Honda's L15A7?
I think one of the main advantages the 4g63 over the 4b11 is the aftermarket, the 4b11 aftermarket will never be as big , for the simple fact it was not produced very long and in not many numbers comparatively speaking. The 4g63 was produced for almost 20 yrs and they made a gazillion of them , everyone and there brother knows how to modify them , that goes a long way
I think age factors into the choice. I'm in my 30's and i prefer the 4g63 because it was one of the best setups for tuners like me when I first started tuning, and i could work on them with a blind fold by now.
Ultimate layout. 4g63 6 bolt bottom end, 4b11t head with normal front exhaust layout. If Mitsubishi had engineered this engine oh, it would be unstoppable
Is it possible to twin turbo no compound
Sick, I like the 4B11T better, just because it's not an ancient architecture that doesn't have MIVEC on either cam... Love your channel too, subbed.
Thanks for subbing!
can I put the 4g63t in the latest model without changing the loom
I must add that from my investigations of crank walk with 4g63 1g and 2g engines were caused by excessive clutch pedal travel. Always use a pedal stop even with a stock clutch.
Can you explain this please? Clutch pedal travel affecting crankshafts...in most cases I would make fun of you while I claim BS but this I want to hear.
@@Crusher103 So your clutch connected to the flywheel which is connected to the crankshaft. while in a normal state, the crank rotates perfect, only if some force is applied from one side, would the crank start to press against the center bearing (the only bearing holding the crank dead center in the journals). over time of pushing the clutch well beyond the needed travel would it start to cut that bearing. A Clutch stop, would reduce the need to push beyond the needed travel.
@@ddanville After reading this I'm coming to the same conclusion, this is BS. I see where the information is coming from but it is a REACH to think that the force from the clutch causes crankwalk, regardless if its a 4g63 or not. The pressure plate indirectly pushes against the flywheel but never pulls. If this were the case more of clutches causing crank walk issues, NOBODY would use high clamp force pressure plates on any car. The movement in the crank caused but clutch modulation is the result of bad bearings but definitely NOT the cause. No clutch puts enough force on the crank to actual move it, if it does your motor seriously compromised. Whatever that clutch pedal stop your using for is just a band aid to the actual problem which will eventually turn into a hindrance to drive with the already doomed motor. The clutch pedal stop that is being talked about online is actually for people using an Isuzu slave cylinder that changes the clutch pedal travel from stock. People who are doing so are doing it because they have have high clamp load twin plate clutches, they did this to have better clutch modulation.
4b11t is an all around good track racing engine because it's lighter, rigid, and has superior heat management with the semi closed deck design. 4g63t is far superior for drag racing and high hp and torque numbers because it can take massive amounts of abuse without flexing. Both engines have a placement in the Evolution hall of fame. If I was building a drag car, 4g63t all day. For track I'd choose the 4b11t.
The best engine is the one you already own. I picked up an 09 ralliart at an auction for 3700 bucks canadian. Came with the Recaro buckets and the upgraded Rockford Fosgate navigation system.
have you done the vq engine? det and hr?
can someone tell me the difference between and evo 3 4g63 compare to the rest ( i want to swap an evo 8 4g63t in my evo 3
Motor is a different orientation. The head is spun around the other direction.
Good video, and all your points are valid. The 4G63 brought to 2.4 liters is unbelievable and reliable. The Evo.9 is what all performance cars should be like, and it makes a reliable daily ride.
Caribbean GTR
I have a 2.4 and Broken 4th gear twice. Too much hard hitting TQ. I’m going to try tuning for less Tq more HP.. or spend a lot for a straight cut dog box. Love my 2.4 otherwise.
Just love both of them
I Have A 4G63T On My 1998 Mitsubishi eclipse Terbo Pushing 550WHP On Stock Engine block & Head's Only Have Electromotive ECU & TO4 & Some Other Bolt On'sAs Well & It's Super Fast On Street Love my Machine.
Personally, I'd go for the 4g63 since it has a cast iron block, which makes it stronger under higher horsepower, in my opinion.
I in particular prefere the 4G63. I have a 2G DSM and the engine is reliable, with a ton of potencial, and a more old-school design and feel, that i like a lot.
But which one has a stronger trans?
The 4g63s got TDOH5 flanged turbos too
I think you said they didn’t- but I may be wrong that I heard you say that.
4g63 for it's many years of championships and aftermarket support.
I’m partial to the 4G63 as I own an Evo 8, which I grew up in as it was my mom’s before me. Pretty much fully built, but way out of tune. Recently sputtered out and wouldn’t start again. I’m wondering if this “crank walk” is the culprit. 135k on the motor seems like it’d have some wear.
zeroyon223 thanks for saving me time searching about those crank walk.
I am currently working on doing a 4g63 head swap for my 3g eclipse. I dont plan on doing AWD with it and it is the AK-47 of the 4 cylinder world. They are in a popular demand and kind of hard to get ahold of unlike the 4b11 and no matter how old the motor is, you can find tons of aftermarket parts for them. Plus I havnt seen or heard of any times where a rod has been thrown through the block. Now I am not claiming that a stock 4g63 is throwing down 500-600 whp, but it is possible to get them there like anything else. I dont know, but that's my general opinion on why I think the 4g63 is better than the 4b11.
Thoughts on 4g63t evo 7 engine?
I have a 1991 talon tsi 4g63T AWD with ecmlink V3 launch control and anti lag. Dump the clutch at 4500 and let her eat over and over the 1g dsm is in my opinion the strongest setup for the money a evo and 2g are all the same problems with twice the price
Can the 4G63T engine be swapped into the 4B11T engine bay with no modification needed?
No
someone in the comments said 4g63t was the ak47, i think it is, compared to the 4b11t which would be something like an ar15; 4g63 is more of a heavy duty, proven, less refined, and heavier vs a 4b11 which is lighter, smoother and more refined, but less sturdier
The AR15 isn't less sturdy.
I would argue theres no point in talking aftermarket since that makes the possibilities for either near endless and therefore not easy to compare. With that in mind I would argue the 4b11 is better as a stock engine as not only is it more efficient and produces more power its also a cleaner engine (which is why the switch was made in the first place)
I own a 1994 eagle talon and honestly I can say the older 4g63t motors are really reliable and parts aren’t hard to get, I personally beleive 4g73t is better in street applications or daily drivers because of its reliability and cool turbo noises
4B11 was the new kid...didn't stick around long enuf to prove himself
3v4761 it’s still around lol 180,000 kms and counting
@@brycenwhite3846 lol....that evo 10 is very good looking car
N FU2..
It prooves itself now in the Hyundai i30N
it did. some dumb people just refuse to recognise it.
4:20 i see you used hp #'s for the 4b11t from the evo x fq400 version but you failed to include the evo 8 version 4g63t made 405 hp in the evo 8 fq400.
that was a specialty manufacturer mod edition of the car. not very high numbers of those. think the English version of "Shelby" but for evos. highly doubtful to ever find one for sale, and if so, extremely overpriced.
@@rolandbeliveau8379 i understand this, i was just stating the fact he didn't state the correct highest hp per engine from production.
The last model of the Evo X in UK was the very limited FQ440 which only came with an SST box
Coming from a tuned ralliart with basic bolt ons. At 275 whp and 318 wtq and now I have the evo 9 mr. Think it’s kind of a hard choice. And I say that because tho the 4b11t is more modern with dual mivec and more low end torque. The X was a much heavier car. And the carbon buildup issue on DI engines is a thing. But also being full aluminum doesn’t just have weight advantages and cooling advantages, but overheating cast/aluminum vs full aluminum, the cast is more likely to warp the head as the metal expands at different rates. I ran the 4b11T pretty hard never had any issues up until the 78k miles which I had it from new. The Mr and ralliart both share same SST trans which is a different topic but in the aspect of applications the engine is in, I think is a fair thing to bring up. Built the SST really can utilize the mivec system with overlap and better turbo better. Can it handle as much power as the standard 5 speeds not really. The X is also a wider car and comes with AYC in the states whereas the 7-9 did not.
The X also stock for stock shows consistently faster lap times.
So I think I’m regards to both the engines advantages and vehicles their in. Don’t hate me but I think if your keeping the engine from 300-400 whp range I feel like the 9 with AYC could probably make better use of the 4b11T than the X does. Looks, power and sounds 4g63 hands down is better. But from a performance standpoint I think it’s hard compare the engines when the IX and X are pretty much completely different cars competing in different eras
If I’m choosing the car based of potential, aftermarket, and looks. IX every time
Mitsubishi 4B1 engine are they in the outlander sport 2.0
The 4G63 was in production for nearly 4 decades, not to mention it’s motorsports pedigree. You could shelve a couple spare blocks, crankshafts, driveline components, and never have to worry about running out of hardware for the rest of your life.
4G63 because of availability of things like the stroker crank I just put in my Galant VR4 :-D
I love my 4b11t. Very smooth and reliable at 350whp. Also a perfect daily
Nice
Miguel dsm has changed that car so much I didn't even recognize it
il go with what i have 2008 evo ,, 102k now still driving stock
in my eyes ive seen and been inside a talon tsi took off in a 35mph roll....
it was insane.
(under 300whp)
Can you make a video of your personal greatest hits list on the best Turbocharged 4 cylinders? Like a head to head on STi, RS, Type R, and Evo’s both stock and modded
4g63t vs 4b11t which is better
I think part of the hate that a lot of 4G63T fanatics had was the 4B11T gave nothing to the past I think more people would have loved it if at least it was an aluminum copy of a 4G63T, or if you could take something on it to make the older 4G63T better moving forward, almost every 4G63T engine advancement via the evos that went forward gave the older engine generation something they could use not so in the case of the 4B11T but still I like both engines to be honest but for different reasons.
i am a owner 4G63 Proton Wira Malaysia ..
For me, the 4G63 is the better engine. My car is a 1990, which means it is safety and emissions exempt here in Illinois. We can get away with a lot more stuff than the 4B11 guys! ;)
Anybody built a 4g63t bottom end into a 4b11t ?
This is one of those situations where there's not really a right answer. It all depends on what your goal and budget are. I would think that an Evo X with 500 whp would be a lot easier to live with as a daily driver. But an Evo X as a drag car adds complexity and therefore difficulty in getting what you want out of it. Pretty sure this is why there are plenty of 8 and 7 second DSM's and like one 8 second Evo X. On the flip side a 500 whp daily driven DSM is not that comfortable. I know. I've had like 10. It's not hard at all to make a 500 whp DSM. But unless you upgrade everything you'll always be breaking something. Everything from shifter bushings to clutch fork alignment. Rear subframe bushings to simple drive belt brackets. These cars weren't very efficient in comparison to today's performance vehicles. But that's what made them so fun and addicting to modify. Now a drag DSM is perfect for it's simplicity and aftermarket support. All the homework has been done for you. Tuning, suspension settings everything from radiators to transfer cases is available. And most of it can be done even if you've never done a timing belt. So it all depends really. My 20 year old self wants a DSM. But my current 40 year old self would rather have the comfortability of an Evo X. Remember a DSM made around 200 hp stock. An evo X makes close to 300 stock. Making 500 to the wheels isn't that hard.
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I'd say the 4b11 is a good progression from the 4g63, but the bar is set way too high (regarding performance records set) for the 4B to ever actually prove it's "better". History and legacy is the ultimate determination here of "better". Anyone can improve something with a newer design, so that's not really fair... Impact on the industry is a much better gauge for determination.
i love my 4g63t in my tsi its holding 750bhp at 38 psi
Iron block and fully closed deck wins every time. Nothing against the 4b11 but the evo 9 was amazing. I personally ran an 11.67 @116 on the stock turbo full bolt ons c16 and 28psi.
That's what you would get from an Evo X with intake/exhaust/pump/1000cc injectors and a tune. Stock everything else. Not even close to FBO. The X is not to be underestimated but everyone does. Its ok. My dry sleeves are going to outrun a cemented deck in my same HP range.
I love the 4g63t that's why I own one
I'm looking at this block im looking into for my car, my current engine is insanely comparable to the 4b12 but I'm wondering if the specs are the same as the 4b11 w/o the turbo....even so I'm thinking about modding the stock engine. My car is quite light & I hope it will hold up about 350-400hp
Personally, I think the 4G63 is an absolutely AMAZING engine considering it's been able to solidify itself over almost 40+ years of tuning to where people compare it to far newer engines like K series Honda's which are doing almost the same kind of thing they were doing and STILL are doing to this day being able to compete at the highest level.
BUT, I do think the 4B11 is better simply because it took FAR less time for the 4B11 to get into the 1000whp range, get an Evo X into the 7's bracket in drag racing with far less aftermarket, R&D, and less time to have R&D to even get that far compared to how many years it's taken the 4G63 Evo's to get into the 7's and also the fact that the 4B11 had FAR LESS time to get up to speed with the 63 Evo's being it's 4B11 engine was produced around 2007 which is even LESS time than the rival K series Honda engines took to get into the 7's with how they have been out since 2001/2002 with a 5 year head start! Plus, it's similar to the K series in a lot of ways since it's aluminum block, Timing chain instead of timing belt which is a BIG step up, as well as Dual MIVEC system heads which seem to flow a bit cleaner than the 63 does which is actually kinda cool since it means it's slightly more efficient for air quality which is kinda neat on the low end lol.
And I do think if given more time to grow within the tuning community like the 63 did a long time ago, that the 4B11 will be even better than both the 4G63 and K series since it seems to have taken what makes the best of both of those engines basically molded into one singular engine in itself.
kind of a flawed comparison considering the fact that there is much more modern tuning (turbo, fuel, ignition etc) tech available today compared to 10 years ago- so yes it took 'less' time for 4b11 to break into 7's, for example, but that's also because it much newer.
true but you cant compare a 4g63t to a k series, theres no comparison ✨.
What about the 4g69
4b11t is better engine because I own an Evo x and I’m loving it she’s pushing 491 whp with MAP precision 6466 turbo boosting on 28lbs that’s enough to convince me to forget what the other engine we are comparing about?!!🤔🤪🤪🤪nough said...
Do the naturally aspirated ones
If you invested a lot in your 4G, keep it. Otherwise get an EVO X, you won't regret! It's the most amazing car I've ever had, fun to drive, easy to work, a monster in the track, eats curves like no other car, shines in gravel and dirt, it's an overall amazing project!
A great blog
Do a na 4g63 review
Well, here's how I look at it. I want an Evo 6, I can't have an Evo 6 because I'm in the US. I do not like the look of the CT9A (Evo 7/8/9) But I do like the look of the Evo X. Therefore I have an Evo X, and 4B11T.
I care less about the engine, and more about the car it comes in. But as an aside, people are pushing 650+ stock block in the 4B11T. Both motors are said to have around the same safe power limits stock, and the 4B11T has been well developed; every part you want is out there from multiple companies. You will have no more problem finding parts for one than the other. So it really depends on 2 factors: Which bodystyle do you want? Are you okay with the additional cost of parts for the Evo X? Personally, since I can't have a 6 or even a 5, I answer both questions 'yes'.
Again, I would have an Evo 6 if it were possible. I literally have videos on here where I drove an Evo 6 in Japan this summer, and I believe it was stock with exhaust, and I still loved it. I want that car even more. However, my Evo X just got done with a 700 HP build, just waiting on a Sheepy front mount to tie it together. That stock Evo 6 was more fun than my Evo X when it was fully bolt on. Not as quick, but something about it. But that is the car, not the engine. Maybe a little bit of the engine, that Evo 6 sounded good stock, the Evo X notoriously sounds bad.
On the stock exhaust, my X sounded like a noisy vacuum cleaner. I've had two aftermarket exhausts since I bought it, and the one I have now (a Turbo XS 3.5in turbo back) sounds about 1000% better than the OEM exhaust.
4G63T mivec ftw the win!
4g63 is better because the engine base is better and there are more performance engine part. which can modify the engine more, but the 4g63 head and 4b11 head can be combined with the 4g69 block 2.4 liter (with 4g63 head) and the 4b12 block 2.4 liter (with 4b11 head) both as well.
I am in the process of getting rid of my 4B11. But do not know what to go with, since I have a 2015 Lancer ES. This video was very insightful. There has been a lot of talk with my car buddies about going 4G63T, but this video makes me lean towards 4B11T. There was also talk about doing a RWD Lancer, which is basically unheard of. I dont really know. Any help would be awesome if yall wanna comment.
Wait...you have a Lancer ES. You don't have a 4B11 to get rid of. Even the GTS doesn't have the 4B11T in it. Only RA and Evo. Sell the ES, buy an RA in good health and have the SST rebuilt. Make ridiculous power for the money and call it a day.
@@roguetune03 I evo swapped the engine. 469 wheel on e85 before the clutch started slipping so we stopped the tune. Currently working on making it AWD.
@@snugglybunnies ah ok. Keep that 4B though brother. Will spend silly money trying to swap it to something else when you could get just much more power out of the 4B. Just built my bottom end for 500whp reliable af build. Good luck with the build plans man. Hope it all goes well for you.
@@roguetune03 I mean, I already swapped to the 4B11T. So that I can have boost. Will build it after thr AWD conversion. Baddest ES anyone's ever seen lol.
@@snugglybunnies oh yeah I would bet that's the truth too. Nobody is gonna see that coming until it's all tail lights in their windshield. You're going to make some v8 owners pretty upset with that sleeper.
If more people went with the 4b, chances are it would probably be better. However, since the 4g has a longer history of people working on it, tuning/modding it, of course it's gonna be the "better" engine.
If/when, someone takes the 4b and does what people did with the 4g, chances are it will be better _(if it surpassed its older counterpart when modded)_
4g63 ftw!!!
I prefer the 4b11t because it's on a newer platform and I have a suspicion that it'll come back
4b11 probably the better engine but 4g63 has way more aftermarket and imo sounds much better too
4b11t is a better all round engine it just is, having said that theres nothing wrong with a 4g63
Well, if aftermarket not taken in hand, the 4B11t Is better than the 4G63t.
This is because it has better cooling, and even though the block is aluminum rather iron, Mitsubishi made sure that it would as strong as the previous iron block, so its as strong, so tunability power and stock power is almost as same as the 4G63t if not better for the 4B11t.
I think everyone chooses the 4G63t simply because it's more famous, or because it has more legacy.
Heck, even Daimler-Chrysler, who owned Mitsubishi in 2007(release year of Evo 10), were considering to pull the funding from Mitsubishi for the 4B11t!
Seriously, the 4B11t is like that unloved middle child, except in this case it's the youngest child.
The best engine ever 4g63t..but simple n easy more to with vr4
I work on the 4G63 industrial engine that run on LP gas. They are durable but not the most durable in the industry.
My experience: 2011 evo x pushing 400hp and now it have 200'000kms on full stock motor and still running like a beast. Not a single day without pushing it to the red line and hard driving
Same here. 410whp 241 000kms doesnt skip a beat
108,000kms on my 2007. Is that good or? Daily btw
4G series in A LOT OF VARIATION which can stand abused. 4B11 is still a kid compared to 4G/6A
The 4g63 was essentially the instruction manual for the 4b11.
the 4g63T with few good trick you have a lot hp i haved one with 580 with good trick
What kind of tricks? I'm currently building up my 99 gsx and would welcome some input😁.
The 6 bolt 4g63 is superior as far these go, it was a pure breed race motor with no compromise at the time it was made, hence those massive connecting rod caps, and closed deck design, the 4b11 was an attempt at making an efficient 4g63 that could pass emissions as well as race. So, open deck, smaller connecting rods, thiner pistons. All I'm saying is the 4g63 was built to be a durable power house and that's it, they didn't have to conform to what's gonna save gas, or produce less emissions at idle, cause that wasn't the priority, just durable and fast.
Leaving it to the comments section is starting WW3