VQ35DE vs VQ35HR: Which One is Better?
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In total upwards of 80% of the parts were changed. All the changes of the HR ultimately made it more fuel efficient by upwards of 10% and allowed it to make more power and offer a wider torque band. That being said, the DE definitely isn't a bad engine and at the time the DE came out it was a pretty awesome V6.
The only downside to the HR is that it's more expensive to buy one second hand compared to a DE, but that has more to do with perceived value and availability, and it kind of proves that the HR is the more valuable and better engine. That being said, the DE could be argued as the better engine for forced induction applications because it's simply cheaper to replace the engine if and when it explodes.
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Vq40de came in several Nissan trucks making roughly 260-280 hp I wonder if there gonna stick with the vq for the 400z or introduce a new engine
Honestly I would assume they would just use the VR30.
@@Dustrunnersauto sure but each z model is named after the size of the motor the 240z was a 2.4 and the 260z was a 2.6 you get the point so my guys is it's gonna be a 4.0L or it's gonna make 400hp either way I'm very curious to see what it is going to be
When you gonna do a video on the Coyote 5.0 motors? Have like 10 dedicated to LS's already lol.
Dust Runners Automotive Journal is b16 more powerful than a 3.5l V6?
The HR also has much more stout connecting rods then the de and rev-up, which makes the HR a favorite for the boosted guys who don't wan't to invest in a engine building. The HR is better by almost every measurable metric, though the cost to swap them into a Z or G that originally came with a DE or Rev-Up is absurd. You can build a DE or Rev-Up for around the same cost as a swap, in some cases, and give yourself something that will hold 2 or 3 times the power of a stock HR.
We specialize in custom VQ engine building and boosting, so feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.
That's 100% right. Honestly, the worst part about a swap is getting the supporting parts to go with it, whether it's the harnesess, the labor to wire everything, mounts, transmission adapters. It's why I've abandoned a VR30 swap because building a bottom end for a VQ37 is way cheaper and will hold way more power than what i'm after.
I’ve been wanting to supercharge my G but don’t wanna rebuild the motor for the reason it has such low miles and it’s a daily driver , was wonder how much can a stock vqde safely take for daily driving and occasional hooning
So did the revup come in the 2005 G35 sedan 6mt or is it the original de? Cause I want to know but either way I'm ls swapping it
How much boost can a hr take reliably on stock internals?
Made 570whp on stock block with mine
DE gang where yall at?
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🗣🤚🏼Yeeeeeeeeerrrrrr!!!!
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Putting oil In it duh
Present and burning Oil like no tomorrow!
Had 4 DE’s (two FWD and two RWD) and loved them all! Reliable and durable
I'll still defend my de till the day I die :'(
jcub then you end up getting a hr and change your mind
@@anthonya6693 I mean for what I use my Z for the de is fine, I'm actually selling my Z because I've kinda grown out of it sadly.
DEEz Nuts
@@JCub316 blasphemy
@@anthonya6693 then you see that very single one of the hr mods are more expensive then you realize the 15 hp isn’t worth the hundreds or thousands more it costs to mods then you cry yourself to sleep
if you plan on keeping internals stock, buy a hr. if you want to build the engine, de. the cost difference alone between the two cars and you can almost build the DE to hold 600+hp, reliably.
alfred rodriguez best bet is to get an HR, boost it. Then when it blows, replace the bottom end with a direct swap with a 3.7 and push 700whp
Gordon A all the money to do that an you can build a Z with a DE to hold 1,000 whp.
alfred rodriguez no way man. I’ve been both routes lol. The hr and VHR are a better motor for big power. And you have to spend a LOT on a De for everything forged versus buying a used bottom end off a g37 or 370 for cheap... then it only takes a few forged parts to get to the same power..
Gordon A so your saying stock bottom end will hold 1k? Ok, what was your build on the DE? Forged rods, pistons, bullet girdle, billet oil pump, sleeved,etc? You might need a few more parts, like the girdle, but nothing crazy.
alfred rodriguez Mybad I don’t think I wrote that clearly enough. Most built DE’s aren’t pushing 1000whp. And if so ur talking about a LOT of money. Most built DE’s are 650-800whp. My point was that if you’re starting from scratch, the better choice is the HR. Since most people aren’t ganna go from a 280whp car to a 1000whp car. If ur trying to do that then MAYBE the fully built DE is the cheaper option, but that’s also assuming you have zero draw backs... the HR motor on the other hand is good for about 500whp reliably as long as u don’t have an already worn out motor. If that motor blows, you can buy a VHR bottom end and bolt it right up (no ecu or wiring harness swap). That right there is good for about 600-700whp. From there, only a FEW forged parts are needed to handle 800+ whp. Which in my scenario, is a lot less money thrown at the car all at once. Versus when my DE blew, I needed to dump a LOT of money in parts In order to get the same results my stock HR motor made. Also in my personal experience there was constantly issues with the DE in comparison to the HR.
I may not drive a car, but my 03 Pathfinder has a DE in it. I love it. 257k miles and still goin’ strong.
Eddie Dugan...I have a 2004 Maxima 3.5 motor. Currently running 207,435 miles on it. So far? Runs quite well. I cleaned the two VVT units (They sit on the top of the engine on both banks). The cleaning did the job of allowing the engine to run much smoother. One can buy new ones but I'm cheap. And cleaning them were real easy to do. Two bolts to remove them. Once the plenum is off for the firewall side.
Did the timing chain at around 80,000. Water pump while the timing cover was off. And replaced the chain. It really didn't need replacement but since I had to change out the chain guide (made of hardened plastic I would guess) I did it.
I rebuilt the care from the wheels up. This maxima was sitting in a garage for almost 6 years. In real good condition.
In closing....I really like Nissan products. I've had my share of headaches working on this car but once I got a handle on it? I'm ok with it.
Good luck with your wheels bud.
That’s amazing how is it now
Ya there pretty tourquie.....
2008 G35 sedan with the HR. Got the best of both worlds. About to hit 130 running brand new
Thanks for the video man. Nice to see a simple attempt at explaining the differences with some aid of the visuals. I already knew the majority of the changes, but it was still useful for me given the way you presented it and with the visuals. Cheers.
This is one of the best DE vs. HR comparison vids I've seen. Good detail, thank you. - Keez
we appreciate you taking the time to give a thorough explanation
Great video, I'm researching this subject currently, thanks a bunch
Thanks for sharing. I've got a 2008 base manual, I track it roughly once a month and live close to a very curvy mountain road out in the middle of nowhere. For the past 6 yrs I've beat the shit out of mine at least once a week on the mtn road and the past 2 yrs at the track.
Awesome video, thanks for sharing!!!
There’s a bigger horse power than 6 for the HR vs the DE RevUp. The DE and DE RevUp did not get measured in the SAE standard but the HR and VHR were.
I got DE in my '06 M35 and with slightly tuned air intake and exhaust it's still awesome :)
We need to race i have the hr m35 its a 2010
I've owned a 2003 Z , 2005 G35 6mt , 2008 z , right now I drive a 2012 G37s and maan.. These cars are really fun.
You can also feel the differences.
Nice vid man!
So which one do you prefer and why?
Rafal Walus how do you like the g37s? Im thinking of building one and also having it for a daily
@HonkeyConk ty!
@HonkeyConk vhr and hr block is the same
Great Vid good info I like that you left any bias out of it just info Thank you.
I have driven a 350z and a 370z and if I'm being honest, the torque and peak power differences are noticeable but are not like night and day.
Keep it up! Try to talk about best engine and transmission combos!
Awesome video. Informative 👍
Thanks for a great explanation of the differences. I have owned every generation of Z car and have had every engine from L24 I6 to VQ37VHR in my '12 Z34N. I have long been critical of those that say the "HR is better and the DE is junk!" All I can say is "Well, it is and it had better be. It's newer, evolved." Stands to reason that the VHR is arguably a better engine than the '07-08 HR, yes? Again, it better be. And what about the Red Sport VR30DDTT (from the Q50S Red Sport), rumored to be the next Z's (Z35) engine? Is it the supreme Z engine? Again, it better be. Point is, so many "HR is king" people seem to think if they have an HR car, they're so much better than those of us who "only" have DEs. Get over it. And while you're at it, stop referring to '07-08 Z cars (and the matching HR engine Q-cars) as "an HR". It's just a 350Z that happens to have the next evolution of the VQ35xx. After 25 Z cars over 40-some years, including some rare ones and Nismo versions, the only remaining one is my DE powered '03 which I still love dearly.
Great video man. Thanks for sharing
A good watch. I have owned 2 VQ35DE's and my folks have owned a VQ30DEK and now a VQ35HR in their EX35. All are good engines, but I love that sweet sweet HR motor in their Infiniti. Bulletproof reliable and pulls great.
excuse my dumby question does vq35hr 7 speed transmi in fx and reliable i got 58k miles in my fx35 2009 and im afraid coz (the engine and transmi not available at all in my country) i take care of it and i drive calm most of my rev doesnt go beyond 4rpm ( i play music and enjooy road view not a speed fan )
how's my DE's doing?
Oil burning gang, where y’all at?
A quart a day to keep the mechanic away.
I had a DE in my 350z...burned oil badly. Sold it, bought a 240z, put an LS in it and never looked back
@@nicknygaard4122Rb26 swap instead
@@indy3manDamn boy that’s a lot of oil 😂
@@Youngniggafromdahood VQ Nissan things 😅😭
My 1st stock G35 Rev Up with 6MT ...I Luv it !
I had a 96 Maxima 5 speed with a VQ30de. Older then these two variants but it had 400,000 miles on the clock and was my track/daily. Ran perfectly till the moment it was T-boned by a 4 runner running a red light.
You should do a video on the 35HR heads on a VQ37 block.. I hear it works and does wonders in the boosted world! Great video btw with regards to VQ35DE vs VQ35HR!
Dude great video. I learned a lot and true the DE is better to boost. Replacement cost 1000.0 to 1700.00 HR good luck. But if I was to build a 650 hp to 750whp I would want the HR for sure. Thank you so much for you input on the great Nissan legacy of the 350z. I got 2 of them
Just picked up a 2008 g35 tech pack has the rev up engine drives and handles like a dream!
good find.
One wrong thing. the 2006 350z got the regular DE if it was an automatic
I have a 2006 Grand Touring. Its an automatic and it has a DE
Good info, thanks!
Great video! Side note. DE blocks are discontinued in North America and there are none in any warehouses. You will have to wait on one from Japan if you need a brand new one! Don't ask me how I know this! Lol.
HR gang!! 7600 red line can’t lose
Tuned vhr gang! 8100 red line 🥳🥳
Shush Kevin. 🤦🏽♀️
@@BigKfishing just a small change to the pistons and rods and HR has run up to 8500
Ayy
@@BigKfishing squaaa
Just picked up a HR sedan. I love the throttle response
Good overview on the differences. The same seems to apply to quite many other parts also. Our european project HR has 313hp so i'm assuming that version was not available in your market area?
Very informative!
Thanks.
Thank you for this helpful information
Please guys i you have the manual on pdf format please share it for Nissan VQ 35DE on rsylla8205@gmail.com. please please
great video man
Bought a rust and damage free stripped 2004 z and put it back together using a rolled 2008 z. The HR motor is a beast, way more rev happy and fun to drive than my previous 03 z that I sold. If you want to build the ultimate naturally aspirated car cheaply the HR is the way to go, HR block, heads and rods with a 3.7 crank and special 12.5:1 JWT pistons along with tomei 272 or 280 cams would be one sick street engine.
is it fairly easy to turbo the DE and HR engines?
As I get older I appreciate cheaper and parts availability. I love to mod stuff so I'm leaning DE
I just bought a DE still trying to figure out what to do to it first
@@50shades_of_memez cold air intake and maintenance, maybe lower suspension
@@50shades_of_memez plenum
My Fuga 370 GT has 11:1 compression ratio. I've only had her a couple weeks and I love driving it so much.
It seems Nissan and Infiniti still make more reliable engines than Subaru, Mazda, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai/Kia/Genesis. Hope Nissan/Infiniti can rise to the greatness of Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura once again very soon.
Just so you know, infiniti is nissan
Alex Strömberg what makes you think he don’t know that?
@@pushhrodd01 the way he type made me assume that
They just need an attractive car to go with
@@trevoncowen9198 Q60 Coupe
I appreciate the DE always 🤞🏾
In Australia the 35th anniversary touring model did get the revup engine
Nice! Liked and sub'd. This is the most informed DE vs HR video that I've seen yet. Even linked to the Nissan motor publications. I also have a copy of a leaked Nissan ppt slide deck with even more info. I bought a new 2006 "DE-revup" 350z manual which had oil consumption issues. I dumped that car early on for a new 2007 HR which I still own today. The HR was/is noticeably faster. But why? The 2006 was rated for 300 HP and the 2007 was rated for 'only' 306 HP. Truth is, up through 2006, Nissan was not using SAE ratings to publish horsepower. Laws changed in 2007 that SAE ratings were required so Nissan built a new engine. I have a dyno sheet with both 2006 (Throttle body spacer) and stock 2007 numbers run on the same dyno and in the upper RPMs (5k-7k), the DE falls off and the HR has a 40HP advantage between 6k and 7k. My 2007 stock was putting down 262 HP at the wheels and with bolt-ons and tune, it's up to 301HP at the wheels. These are dynojet, SAE corrected numbers. So 40 HP difference stock plus 40 HP from bolt-ons and it's surprisingly faster than a stock DE. Below 4500 RPM, the HR only has a slight advantage. Biggest HR win though is that it has a dedicated oil dipstick tube :-). DE dipstick uses an engine oil return passage so it's herd to get a clear read. Another great advantage of HR is that the hot coolant return from the engine is routed to the radiator externally keeping that heat out of the engine. I'm, keeping my HR 350z till the wheels fall off.
Thanks for watching 👍
um you really think nissan made the hr in less than a year? no the HR was in the design years before hand
You can build a DE to take just as much HP reliably as a HR, the DE Is a way better platform and there’s more tunability for it which is why I’m sticking to this platform
Translation: I got stuck with a DE and now I'm coping with my loss
Thanks for the informative information I’ve been trying to decide which 350 I would rather have definitely an HR
I would def recommend it bud far better motor
I have a 350z de. Better for a budget build.
Yeah then you can just tune it
I just bought a DE. What's the easiest cheapest mods I should do first?
@@50shades_of_memez plenum spacer, final drive and a tune
Hello I have a 2011 Infiniti m37 with the 3.7 motor but want more HP so what would you recommend for me to get around 450hp
@@392_RHINO 333 buff horses isn't enough for you? Dang.
Which one is better is really dependent on the use of the engine & budget.
The HR is more expensive to purchase and you will need a more advanced ECU to run the dual VVT.
Having said that, even though the DE is cheaper to purchase, what would it take to get the DE to make the "300HP" that the HR does?
NA: Cams, valve seats & compression bump (then you might have to look at alternative fuels)
Boosted: Lots of heat, complexity & cost.
I haven't run these numbers but it is likely that your $per HP is better spent on an HR.
Get the HR with a good ECU, beautiful sounding exhaust & then do a ridiculous burnout!
I'm really glad you mentioned the wider torque range if the HR. Most people believe that the DE makes more torque simply because of the peak number, when in reality, it only makes more torque in a very limited section of the power band. HR makes more average torque across the whole rev range.
Brandon sever Driving DE around the town you may notice that transmission is tuned to keep rpm in 2.5k-3.5k range to compensate insufficient torque @low rpm, while HR produces same torque in 1.5k-3k rpm range giving better fuel economy and less exhaust noise :)
@@paxa007 Never driven an automatic, but I own a 2007 Z with a manual trans and I almost never feel the need to downshift for more passing power on the highway. Feels great around 2-3k. It's no v8 down low, but not bad for a v6 lol.
Good video. I would have liked to see more comparisons between DE rev up and HR given HR is essentially only rev up. Thanks!
Great video! Do you know if HR lifters can be used in the REVUP? Or do they all have that coating new now?
Thanks for info. I have the HR motor
Great vid man. Thanks for the content. How about a vid on VG30 VS VQ30?
Pointless to even compare. They're 100% different platforms.
@@Slays_Media not really.. Seeing as the vq was derived from the vg.. Even if you want to talk platforms, the 300 had the vg30 and the vg30tt, on an fm platform.. Sooo what's really your beef???
Thanks..nice info
I drive a Nissan murano 2oo6 and and it still goes like it was brand new, just touch that key and that motor is purring like a happy cat lol, every time I start her up I get a chill down my spine from that heathy sound, even the cvt gearbox is still working smoothly and the fuel efficiency is surprisingly good too, for me Nissan is tops deffo, I'm the second owner of this car so never bought it new but its still in perfect condition and even better after I got it as I've done many things to it that a factory won't like rust treating and rubberizing the complete undercarriage and wheel wells and many other things, I'll only do that on a car worth it and that Nissan suv certainly is 👍, so many ppl look at my car and ask if I'm not selling it but theres no chance, I've owned a Datsun Skyline 1800 many yrs ago and completely rebuilt and sprayed it and it got stolen here in South Africa sadly but thats where my love for Datsun/Nissan started and this Murano is built much the same way my old Datsun was
I had 35 anniversary Z. With Rev up. Great car. 7k redline. I should of kept my Z. The vq was a very reliable motor. Great weird sound.
Finna do the oil change on my DE today 💪
To be honest, I'd side with the DE over the HR, the reason being that replacing the GM3800. while the 3800 has been abuse-proof I like the VQ noise, and retrofitting that in place of the geriatric donk would inject a lot of life into my ol' bore-a-door. Ignoring mating up the 'mission to the engine, I wonder if a more lively bent six would be better than the factory lazy six as a daily.
My 04 maxima has a 3.5 DE and it's a bit of a beast with my upgrades.
Just got my hr 🤘🏾
Can you do a video about the VQ37VHR?
Added to my list of videos to make 😬
It's basically a stroked out HR block with increased CR and VVEL head.
@@imty8774 yes and that's a bigger difference than the de and hr.
@@Dustrunnersauto I would also very much appreciate if you did, i was going to ask the same thing^
Dust Runners Automotive Journal do a video on VQ37HR vs the new 3.0 TT engine
I love my infiniti Q50 2014 with the 3.7 is a Beast!
Arthur Wall My mom got the Q50 3.7 and I got my baby the G37 which I love it. The main difference that I experience is 3,500-rpm torque peak from Q50 is more preferable to the current 5,200 rpm.from the G37
I drive the revup enthusiast. so far love it!
What's a rev-up and what car has ut?
B P it was only a model made in 2006 but those engines had problems with Oil consumption.
Very informative.
3:40 Ive never seen that strut bar thing connecting the 2 air boxes before
I have a great video of my HR sedan racing a 2003 6MT coupe. We were neck & neck at 120mph.... Pretty much neck & neck through the entire PowerBand. (I took off on him at the redlight because my HR is a G35xS & not many people are getting me at a red-light. In any weather condition. I spanked a 392 scatpack the other day because he spun *forever* & admitted he couldn't launch his car from a dead stop without burning rubber. He didn't expect my car to pull the way it did, & even admitted he was going to go home & research some Infiniti stuff since they are always running good around this area. He was cool AF.. (I wish I would've gotten that interaction video)
I have a revup motor ... And i love it ...
I got a first gen Skyline crossover (J80) with a VQ35HR just over a hundred k miles love her never had any issues however this is due to a meticulous maintenance regimen. Since the HR provides so much power the trannys take a good beating if fluid is not changed every 30k especially since the filter is not a "serviceable' during a transmission service they just drain and fill.
I am looking for this same information on the VQ37 line up
thanks for the video man but i cant see the PDF documents you mentioned in the video
Oops! Totally forgot to put it in the description. The links should be there now.
@@Dustrunnersauto thanks man
I like this video good stuff
Can you do the vhr vs hr would be a good one
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Yes pls
Yeaaa
Just do it!
James Nunez same thing besides .2 bigger and VVEL. but HR heads have been proven to be better when going for power
VHR Block with HR head. The best setup.
Freshhkiicks 350z Setup
2:36 this is what blow out first at your HR (oil gallery gaskets)
Facts just happened to me on a strong ass motor too 😂. Hope the new one got some kick to it too watch me get a lemon
Yes complete ball ache expensive job my mate helped me do mine saved about 1k. Then about 7 months after had to do the CSC but I was changing my clutch at the same time so that wasn't that bad.
One thing I never see discussed is the cam crossover at 4000-4200rpm in the HR. It's almost like a Vtec effect that hits and is followed by an increase in sound and power. I guess it's part of Nissan's 'Swell' they talk about when tuning the power delivery/powerband.
When I hit that range in my VQ37VHR shit gets real
@@sleazymeezyyea right 🧢
I have owned both an 06 base rwd sedan with the VQ35de and 60,000 miles and an 07 rwd automatic journey sedan with 75,000 miles with the VQ35hr and sold the 06 a month later after buying it to buy my 07 which I still own lol I love my VQ35hr it's definitely a great engine
So are All 07 & 08 HR?
You should make a video comparing the VW/Audi 2.0T FSI to its predecessor 2.0T TSI
I managed to find my 08 hr with only 60k miles a 6mt and completely bone stock. Only problem came when it was time to buy it. They knew what they had and knew I wanted it haha. But now at 80k miles and the thing is a beast.
I own a 2002 Infiniti I35 with the VQ35DE, the only fault it has is burning oil. 210K miles and still runs like a clock. Can't argue with quality design of the VQ35DE!
Nice to hear...got about 135K on our 2004 i35...no oil burn yet tho
how much can each engine support hp wise. I have an fx45 that i love, and have been looking to upgrade to a newer model and want to boost it so wondering which route to go
I have a DE in my Altima and I love it. I hate the CVT it's attached to.
I love my hr
VQDE Rev Up preffeted , 2006 Infiniti G35 6MT . I'm Orginal Owner. 116,000 miles plus. Just check oil , every fill up.🚘👍
Doing a head gasket and up rebuild but considering a vq37hr swap on my g35. Opinions?
Which viscosity and brand of engine oil are you using on your VQ?! (Am running synthetic 5W30 on my 35HR because am scared of engine oil pressure issue or so due to using thicker engine oil such as 5W40 although i want to use thicker one..)
Swapping from a de to an hr? & what would be needed to make the swap possible?
Thanks mate looking at buying an el grand 3.5 know l know what will be better
I recently blew my vq35de and wanted to swap it for a vq35hr I was wondering if the trans from the vq35de would fit in the vq35hr or would I have to buy something else to make it work ?
I love the car world man every likes there own thing I don’t care if you like civics or if you like bmw or what every every car is cool to me some times you got to find little things you like about every car
Awesome breakdown video, would love to see a comparison between the VR30 and VR38... Or just the VR30 in general.
Do a video on the REV-ups
no. they’re the same as a DE besides oil pump, vvt on both intake and exhaust, lower plenum, and they burn a shit ton of oil
Recently bought a G35 S 07 for $5300k. 76k miles
Very informative thanks for sharing
How close is the 2013 Nissan Maxima 3.5 to being a complete HR I know it doesn't have the exhaust valve timing I know the specs says 300hp but as far as compression is that 2013 Maxima VQ the same as the last Model G35 before it went to the 3.7
I see you show Sasha's 350z when speaking about the hr?
I thought he ran a de block?
Did they fix the plenum issue with the Rev Up version in 2006?