5:45 that's not the argument. The "casuals won't use it" means casuals won't abuse it. But casuals will be most thankful for this feature since it makes the game better for interacting with your RL sorroundings
Yeah usually Rax is right on point but this was a strawman. Accidental I'm sure but a strawman nonetheless. Casuals absolutely want to be able to pause during the 1-2h they have to play so they can quickly change a nappy, let the dog out, etc.
Yeah he lost me with this take. "Don't design a game feature around your casual/average/normal player base because the %1/streamers/hardcore people may abuse it". This is one of those cases where content creators can negatively impact a game.
@@Alacod19 thing is if people don't like it they can just simply... *gasp* not use it lol. I don't know why people need to be FORCED to not do a thing that is up to them to do to begin with.
@@Alacod19 not really, because if you really listened it is ONLY for the MOST UBER Bossfights, and they all mostly talking about hardcore. How many casual players do you know have beaten the hardest content in PoE 1 .. in hardcore? There is not a single casual player on the world who did this. And all the other situations to pause the game are mostly okay - maybe not on hardcore as you can dodge a lot of stuff with pause. But anyways, I agree with the Uber boss pause feature, that shouldn't exist at least on hardcore. This won't affect a single carsal gamer...because then he/she isn't a casual, right?
Being able to pause is a great feature. I doubt its going to be cheesed other than by streamers and racers, so whocares. Its better for 99.99% of the player base by having it, so it should stay. I dont care if Ziz is going to cry about it, I just want a game that more people can enjoy, not a game some streamer wants to farm more content from
Its crazy how little many big streamers think of the average person. Not every streamer is like that, but it sucks because i know people give them money for them not to care about them. Not our problem though.
@@Sephiroso. Correct, its like any other game. In LoL like 85% of players are gold and below and in PoE only 2.4% of players have killed Maven, yet theyre all "experts" now xD Im prolly in the 1% of PoE1 and ive argued so much with morons the past few days. Content creators are just that, CONTENT creators, most arent really good but to the average joe theyre virtually world class players haha.
I'm fine if they want to remove that "go back to checkpoint" button but pausing should stay. Most games in the boss battler genre have pause as well and no one uses it to cheese anything because it interrupts your rhythm during the fight.
I think you're wrong on this one dude. It's a minor issue for the 20 people competing for races/world first, and a massive benefit for the other 99.9% players. With them making bosses only have 1 attempt, they had to add the ability to pause.
Pause is awesome for people who have a live (children, wife, job, etc.) next to a video game. Luckily there are more people who have that, than streamers, or loners.
As a single father of a 6yo and 10yo who often need my attention, I could not disagree with you more!!! i will not have the greatest game ever made have its integrity and difficult serious nature diluted to apease me!! NEVER should Path of Exile and GGG cater to my RL problems!! EVER!!!
I think it's better for ppl. They said if the system detects lag it will auto pause. I think saving players from lag spikes in boss fights is more important than scummbags abusing it.
@@therealkylekellyonce you hit lag / dc and the boss deletes you, pausing is irrelevant. completely agree with raxx, remove pause from bosses. the esc key should plop you in your last save, "safe" spot. to cheese boss mechanics is embarrassing and will be abused. in the case of life emergency, esc to safety and farm up mats to try again.
im sorry, but are you defending NOT being able to pause the game? nah man, you're alone on this one we've been shitting on new games for the "always online" bullshit since they introduced it. most people play games solo, and most people dont have 12 uninterrupted hours to sit their asses in front of the computer, shit happens in real life. what exactly is the problem with pausing? that some sweatlords will be able to learn a fight and kill the boss 5 minutes earlier? who the hell cares???? stop asking for games to be designed for the 1%
the problem is he doesnt want to feel "cheated" by other players that have the ability to "cheese" the game by pausing and winning a fight because of it. Mf is acting like there is money on the line
@@sweetbabyrayso5262There is - the amount of viewership and, therefore, ad/subscription revenue someone would get for having a world first kill of a pinnacle boss in a game like PoE2 is significant. People forget streamers aren’t just doing this for fun. They can make 6 or 7 (maybe more?) figures a year if they’re popular.
Pause is a quality of life feature that I, and I suspect a lot of people will be really happy is a thing. Sure, it might have some perceived negative effects for a tiny segment of the playerbase, but you can't design a game around them, at least not if you want a game to achieve mainstream success. Just my 2 cents.
That tiny segment wich is not as tiny as you think, are the ones who kept comming and spending for over 10 years, F off with your mainstream shit, casuals come and go, most of them dont even spend any money on the game and jump onto the next FOTM game as soon as it appears, if they neglect their "vet" playerbase its going to be bad in the long run, we "made" the game what it is today, when i started playing the game had only a couple thousand players.
@@GlockProductionz its simple, just go play PoE then. Super simple answer, the game will still have new content. The devs themselves basically want newer player accessibility, theyve spent years on these decisions. You should go argue that with them, not youtube comments. Why are you so angry at him anyway.
Yeah, the streamers and racers are out of touch with everyone else. They should just implement a "casual" mode or something that doesn't track you against world firsts and let everyone else have fun. It's clear GGG wants a big market for this thing. Everyone hates on D4 but we need to remember it made more money in preorder sales than GGG has made, cumulatively, in its entire history. I think they want a large audience and to be the market leading ARPG. And to do that you might have to make some decisions that no-lifers take umbrage with.
@@Barn80 so let's just design a game that is so unfriendly to the user that only showerless trash goblins can play it, why stop at removing the pause? let's make it so that if you log out you die, just like real life.
When you die in Elden Ring you don't lose access to that boss. That is a major factor in why removing pauses for moments where you need to go afk for a minute or 2 is stupid. @@Barn80
Just like all the other parents - if I can pause a game then it makes it accessible for me. If I can't pause it then it severely limits the amount of time I can play, because I have to play when I know I'm absolutely not going to get interrupted. Knowing I might be able to pause whenever makes this game so much more exciting for me.
What if there is only 1% or less of the game you can’t pause, ie pinnacle bosses? If you’re so busy you can’t play a game that has a tiny part of it that can’t be paused how do you have time to play at all?
@echoesofmalachor3700 Well for a start, that wasn't the point I was making at all. And also, it's not about having no time at all to play. It's about having virtually no time without the chance of being interrupted. Doesn't mean the interruptions happen a lot, but they could happen whenever.
We are not sure how long these boss fights can be yet but a pause will be nice. I have walked away from Elden ring boss fights for over 30 minutes sometimes before I could finish the fight. Maybe they just limit the amount of pauses and have certain fights reset the “puzzles”?
@@MagicBricakes how does not address your comment? Removing pausing from only a select few of the hardest bosses in this much content keeps 99.9% of the game free to pause and keeps the very very end game content extremely hard. I see very few of any people caring if your pausing the game for a campaign boss or the middle of a map. Just remove it for a select few fights of the hardest difficulty.
I prefer to play offline solo, and I often need to pause so this is good for me. I don’t care if someone pauses during a boss fight. It’s like in slay the spire you can reset combat but the best players don’t use it. If you want to use it to learn the boss then so be it I don’t care.
Same here. Even when I have time to sit down for a proper gaming sessions, I often get interrupted and need to step away from the PC. I wish I could lock myself in my room like when I was 14 or if I was a streamer, but a lot of us older gamers don't have that luxury.
@@peterk2735THIS^. I’m way too old to be gaming based on what society thinks. Lol. I welcome this change. And based on comments across multiple videos from Rax and Ziz it would seem the community is also very welcoming of this change.
for offline solo this is fine, i personally like the immersion and tension that is included in playing a game like this. but yeah solo offline no problem, but with MP economy its a problem.
I feel like this might just have an easy solution. Just black out the screen, makes it harder to pause and evaluate the situation if you can't see anything. It's probably not the best solution, but it doesn't remove features for casuals.
Pause too many times and pause Gets a CD. Increase the CD if repeated too much. So many potential solutions. It's ok, pause is staying for those who need it.
Yes, you dont, but many do, casuals come and go in the blink of an eye, vets and grinders are the ones who stay and spend every league, so ye they should cater to their actual playerbase.
As a vet and grinder, I very much appreciate a pause feature. I have a life that requires me to step away from my PC often. This convenience is an absolute net positive
@GlockProductionz without casuals coming to check the game out every once in awhile your game would die. Games cannot innovate and survive off of the last loyal few that brain rotted themselves into playing only one game forever.
@@omglimepie Not really, the game was never in dieing spiral, for 12 years it was always growing and was never casual, so ye casuals are not needed and the game will not cater to them period, i can bet you on that, it will be more acessible for new players, it will not be more acessible for casuals.
Pause is a god sent for the average player, I feel like the worry about races and stuff like that is legit but is a bit selfish, I feel like you can disable pause in certain scenarios but removing pause all together is bad.
They can make custom pause-disabled races if need be. Though we haven't really had any proper races in many years so it's probably a nothingburger to begin with.
Also anyone whop has pubstompers on discord waiting in the wings... can join before the fight or mid fight without pause. It sounds like a non issue lawl. Those of us with family n stuff interrupting the fights for a quick questions or 5min break need this pause!
@jadeapiata6545 the average player is different from the casual gamer. Most players do not care about or participate in races. Gatekeeping does nothing for the longevity of the game.
Being able to pause the game is just better overall in my opinion. It's a game... for enjoyment. If people cheese content with it, I can't really care. I just want to be able to take a pause from a game when needed.
Just because you dont care doesnt mean the rest of the playerbase doesnt care either, been playing PoE for over 12 years and i do care, if you commit to the boss you do it right period, if you feel like something might disturb your boss session just dont do it at that moment, it is that simple.
@@GlockProductionz Copium :D it may be and it may not be. Remember GGG create systems that make games fun, and not integral. If they would really care about integrity then they would remove alt+f4 from poe1 LOOONG time ago, as its one of the most overused defence layer in HC. Simply, is it fun to pause and have a life? Yes? its staying, if its not fun then they will remove it which i doubt most players seem to love this idea
Pause game is fantastic for parents. Please don't make them get rid of this feature. . I think you need to try and play with 2 kids and a wife constantly wanting stuff, fighting or f*cking shit up
One thing i have learned after playing ARPGs recently is that the people who play ARPGs seem to care what OTHERS are doing in the THIER games, more than thier OWN gameplay
Couldn't disagree with you more. Grim dawn has pause-on-escape, and it just makes the game more fun for me personally. People also said in LE and GD that adding an evade/dodge would be game breaking.... Now though, those same people would cry if they removed it.
@@Weaver_Games in diablo 2 single player, yep - that's why i am a "Closed Bnet" diablo 2 player. When i had better internet after being in the US (because i used to play from Singapore to USWest back in the dial-up days), so after i got better latency, i play D2 LoD HC :) I will agree for "boss fights" that it shouldn't happen but honestly, single player mode is not online, so you can do whatever you want because you're in control. As for Diablo 3 in Solo (no party member), desyncs or whatever is the reason to do it. For boss fight in general, it's punishing to be unprepared -- the thing to try is to play SC first before HC. It just feels awkward to "JUMP INTO HC -- but have the pause (yes we can say we have to answer the door to grab my ordered delivery, or i need to go to the bathroom ... But at the end of the day, they need a better solution that still maintains a pause FOR going to the bathroom, so it's up to the game devs to find out the best way because we're humans needing to do other things IRL "in sudden moment".
@@Weaver_Games Pretty sure I've seen D3 videos/streams of alkaizer back in the day playing Raekor barb and pausing after every charge to plan where to charge next.
I love the pause feature. I don't know how many deaths I've died because I left the computer at short notice and a fucking zombie ran around somewhere and ate me while i'm afk
Thats your god damn problem lmao!! thats the risk you take, shit I gotta go for 2 mins, there's a good chance ill die while standing here...... yeah... yeah you probably will die!.. And?? lmao hit the god damn portal scroll!!! fml
@@kieranclarke4373 That's the point that people don't seem to be getting. If you go back to last check point during a Boss fight (SC or HC) you DO NOT get a redo. That map is bricked and you must start a new map and go through the process of finding the Boss again... and collect any mats needed to re-enter (if applicable).
Okay, well I just don’t see why players have an issue with this but don’t have an issue with logout macros. Your gaming the system, if you really wanna “nerf” the pause function make it completely cover your screen so you can’t see anything in game so you can just look at mechanics.
The entire reason logout exists boils down to bad POE1 mechanics. PoE2 Jonathan said logout is possible but not during pinnacle boss fights I thought? I've never used logout but completely understand why HC players use it. Im not a HC enjoyer but I might actually go HC in poe2 after my first SC playthrough
You really can't think of a way around them covering the boss fight when you are pause? It doesn't fix anything when it comes to the pausing on boss fight issue.
@@michaelwhiteley The complaints I've seen is that your going to be able to pause and look at what's on your screen to figure out where to go. If they make it where pausing just brings up a menu, logo, ect and a black background then that stops people from looking at mechanics.
@@Maximumdadgaming In the ziz video he said you can logout and the game will reset the fight after sometime. In the case of this new system you don't have to do that since you can just pause and go back to your checkpoint. Also PoE2 is still more than likely going to have lag and server issues which hopefully if what Jonathan said was correct the game should auto pause when it detects major latency problems.
When you say we shouldn't design the game around emergency cases where you need to step away from the game, I can tell that you've never lost a hard core character because your wife and kids were screaming for your attention and after telling them to wait five times and finding a place where you think you can port to safety you look away only to find out a random mob tagged you mid animation and now your character is gone lol. The so called "emergencies" happen more often than you'd think.
You can always just log out in case of emergency, like what kind of argument is that? That is pure greed to not lose progress and entirely on you. The game should not be designed around people not wanting to log out when their wife and kids scream at them.
This is only really a Hardcore %1 issue. Barring mats at the endgame softcore can just throw themselves at mechanics anyways and casual hardcore players severely overgear their encounters.. Pausing benefits outweigh the potential abuse. If people think GGG needs to address this then just disable pause in hardcore but I don't think it's going to be that big of an issue, imo. Edit: someone else brought up if they heavily blur the screen or blackout/screensaver it this could be even more of a nonissue. Have we seen the pause screen?
@@clickbaitsellout7032 I was referring to the game mode "Hardcore" not creating an oxymoron. There no "boxes" being built here, there are varying levels of playstyle amongst all people who play video games. The most common being casual, hardcore and no-lifers. I chose the one suited for what I intended my comment to mean.
You can't pause the game during souls or monster hunter games and if they changed it ppl would be upset. If you think you might have to pause the game soon then don't go into the boss arena
@@drooby-w7y imagine being able to predict when you are going to have to step away from a game.. OH I better not enter this boss fight. Maybe something will happen in the next 2-10 minutes that I better be prepared for. Jeez.
@@drooby-w7y Those don't have permadeath or limited attempts at a fight. And you generally respawn not far away. Or you can just log off. If I start a fight that I spent a load of time gathering mats for and my phone rings, I want to be able to answer it. It could be something important like a customer.... I shouldn't have to choose between retaining a customer and losing a load of progress.
For me, as an SSF gamer, this change is great! I don't care about party play, I can pause and think if needed if something is a bit confusing when seeing for the 1st time, or I can quickly check some urgent IRL stuff in the middle of a boss fight, this is a great feature and who cares if someone will tryhard and use this feature to make a boss fight a bit easier on a certain edge case.
the reward for winning a tense situation is much greater atleast for myself, than winning a casual situation. also this feature will make every boss fight way easier, u can literally do a skill, pause, look for telegraph or areas, dodge, skill, pause rinse and repeat. u can turn the game into an turn based game
@@Dagginakkiok then don't use it and let the people who like it use it problem solved people act like because something exists they must use it if something isn't for you ignore it and people wanting to argue about the ladder and rankings so what does online fake standing really mean that much not to mention people will find some sort of cheesey bs no matter what that's how the top get there period.
@@Dagginakkiyou're gonna pause and the boss will just be standing there and you won't learn anything lol, its not like you can do slow mo for the boss while you move at regular speed, that's what you're describing.
@@johnoden5932and after they abuse it, it will be used as a point to balance the game around just as logout macro in poe1, then im either forced to use it or cripple my own gameplay
As someone who plays at work and needs to be able to stop at any moment, being able to pause in single player D3 was something I appreciated so much. I also don't think its a big deal on bosses.
It ain’t some random guy it’s a competition there’s leaderboards people will abuse this especially when POE2 is all about bossing and no one knows the fights yet
@@van7915then they should actually vocalize it better because the comments aren't on the same page. They want it gone completely. Theres 3 sides to this argument, when it should be a simple hey we just dont want this feature in hardcore. That's fine by me. Or leaderboards need proof of no pausing.
Makes sense from the perspective of a no-lifer (don't mean that in a derogatory way). But I won't even be doing any pinnacle bosses, I am pretty sure. I'll play the game for a thousand hours, but banging my head against a wall is just not something I enjoy or get satisfaction from. So for me, there is no downside, but the upside is kinda massive. Being able to pause to answer a friend's call is good.
I mean he literally said that he doesn't mind the pause feature in the rest of the game, such as mapping or the campaign because it doesn't matter. So if you never plan on doing pinnacle bosses, then his opinion is in agreement with yours
Or you can add a rate limit to pausing. You can pause instantly, but when you unpause, you can’t pause again for 5 seconds. If you pause right when that 5 seconds is up, now your cooldown is 10 seconds. This lets you instantly pause if you have some need to, but you can’t spam it to effectively slow down the fight.
@@TimberlyPL There is an argument that the game should not be designed around the extremes. In this case only the sweatiest of people will try and use this method, yet balancing around that extreme hurts the average player. Just a heavy blur is fine imo, anything more and you are trying to design a feature around the extremes.
I personally love the pause. I don't use it to kill bosses but it is convenient just in general. If so concerned about pausing during bosses just put a time limit on it like you Can only pause once during boss fight or once every 5 mins or something. Anyone who needs to perma pause a boss to kill is a beta.
I find it amusing how 99% of the people in this youtube comments disagreeing with Raxx are going to their ass kicked, rage quit and give up on the game before completing campaign. So, their opinion shouldn't matter because casuals that want this won't be playing the game for long anyways.
@@reneemaestas607 PoE1 is the game for you. It's not going offline and will have indefinite support. I think PoE2 will reach wide appeal. GGG has captured the no-lifer market and have literally no avenues left to grow the company. They've put crazy amounts of time and money into PoE2 and it's clear they want a bigger audience for it.
@@Weaver_Games Just a realist trying to keep it real here, and we'll see all the complaints from crybabies all over the place by Monday morning guaranteed. You'll more than likely be there crying as well. Have Fun and good luck though!
Also you miss the point that POEx are looter games. The whole idea is to get to better loot faster = killing bosses quicker once you know how to kill them. If you don't pause, you get loot quicker. Once you know how to defeat boss, pause mechanic becomes irrelevant, unless there's pizza at the door or the toddler hurting himself in the background. Let the people have their pause button, you still have advantage over them as a blaster-streamer-player.
I killed Ornstein & Smough without summons. It was brutal and took me a dozen tries, as well as coming back later when I gained like 12 levels. ...then I saw the summon portal (and found about the mechanic in general) and facepalmed. Would have loved to use it lol.
Umm these tubers and streamers only care about their income stream. We normals have a life and need to pause and not forgo everything over a game. Remember its a GAME!!! Not real life, when you get married and have kids you will understand.
I am married and have 4 kids at home. I absolutely care about these exploits. The actual endgame of PoE is the economy. Love the pause, hate the repetitive pause exploits. Always hated the logout macro even though I used it. We needed it because of lag/dc deaths, but that is not a thing anymore.
Logout macros exists: HC players - don't care. A simple pause function: Oh god, everyone is going to cheese. Me: typical smooth brain, where the hell am I? And what the hell is this? Death count: 1289
@@1relaxedpanda Except pausing you get infinite uses and can stop and think MID COMBAT what you want to do next. Logout macro you had to use while in combat situations and you could only use 5 times before no more portals and no ability to stop and think what you want to do MID FIGHT. Use your head if you have one.
Pause benefits more players than it harms, but your worry about the competitive end is valid. I wouldn't get rid of pause, but maybe you could put it as an option in the settings menu with the warning that enabling it may disqualify you from some end game leaderboards.
I would rename the current version of hard-core to “Single Soul.”Then create a true “hard-core” that has no pause and once you enter the boss room, it’s you or them.
@@BbXxQQ If you play hard core then you die - if pausing is a big deal so is free get out jail for DC - or it's not - hardcore is a joke if you can get away at all anytime anyway.
Second this. They can also make it so hardcore is only ssf. They can also decrease the number of potions. Stat squish, etc, then it will be truly a challenge for the 1%... Usually Raxx is on point, but this was just a swing and a very big miss. PoE is already complex and hard, this feature will add nothing to them, but help out/be a good feature for other, if not the majority of players, at least in my opinion. For them it's as simple as not using it, but no, Ben is throwing a tantrum and now we have the blasters complaining as well...
I think it was more that Raxx had to wear Christmas hoodies, he had no choice or say in the matter, and so the world was doomed... But lo, a lone warrior on a motorcycle hailing from the barren wastelands of Alaska arose to carry the eternal blue flame so that its light may never extinguish. "I'm raidy!" he said. He's actually a hero.
I didn't even realize he wasn't wearing the blue hoodie til I started reading this comment. The Colorblind and Seeing red comments had me double checking the paint frame and still missed it.
Who dfk cares is a fk&ing video game, if YOU want to ruin YOUR gaming experience is on YOU. want to flex World 1st killed?.... everyone would flame you and not acknowledge legitimately of killed because you scumbag your way through it.
I don't think you'll actually be able to cheese the boss by pausing. I'm pretty sure they thought of that. They said that there's no way to cheese any of the bosses. You probably won't be able to invite while paused. And pausing would blank out the screen so you wouldn't be able to see and analyze how to dodge an incoming attack. But we will see when the games out. It's early access. It's meant to test these systems to see if they work or not.
GGG has clearly put years of thought into these design decisions, I trust them that they're doing what they think is best and that almost everything has been thought through. And yes, PoE Ben might not like some decisions - but the goal with PoE2 was not to design the perfect game for a handful of streamers. I think it's obvious they want something close to mass market with this thing.
If the HC community doesn't want pause and would prefer a time-delayed exit (forfeiting entry mats as a penalty), I can certainly see why. BUT for SC players the pause is certainly extremely useful - even if it is abused, this is still WAY better than cheesing bosses in POE1 (deaths without boss resets; logout macros; having to record & replay boss fights frame by frame, then Google what all the debuff icons and boss keywords mean). And there will be a sense of progression in learning bosses and being able to get through them with fewer deaths/pauses each new run.
Easiest solution is to just make it a softcore thing. If you go into the boss fight in hc you are taking a risk, and being able to just leave the fight removes that and the entire point of playing hc. Same goes for a logout macro. Whereas in sc, theres no real downside other than hunting down that boss again, which is the default penalty, only in this case you basically choose to take the penalty to save a few secs to a minute.
I would like to keep the pause especially for softcore. There are plenty reasons why one might want to pause and step away for a moment and I don't want to lose that function because a smaller portion of the community would use it to cheese fights. They could black out the screen during a pause so you cannot see the mechanic, they could put a timer on the pause so it cannot be spammed or they could remove pausing for hardcore and at least I would be opting into not having a pause.
if you are starting a pinnacle boss fight and you can't dedicate 5-10 minutes of uninterrupted time then you should not be starting the fight. The amount of situations in which you would have to immediately pause and or leave your computer are just as infrequent and rare as the minority who would abuse this mechanic. You are undertaking serious end game content, treat it as such and eliminate distractions or do it at a later time.
@@therealkylekelly different people different circumstances. you can't be seriously asking most people to "dedicate" their time over a game. Game is meant to be fun, not to punish you for having real life priorities.
This is nonsense. Complete nontroversy. Oh no, you can invite your friends to fight a boss with you! How terrible! How about the escape menu just covers the screen so you can't see the actual game to cheese the fight? This is such a great feature. I'm tired of people who are essentially paid to play the game dictating design for people who are just trying to have fun.
Diverse mode options could resolve this issue: leaderboards focused on a mode with pause disabled, solo self found mode, another more casual friendly mode ect. And then have hc and sc
this just feels like when esports people try to change balance thats going to benefit them and no one else. his take on the casual argument saying only the emergency is a valid is out of touch. most people will use the pause to use the bathroom, get food, water, give attention to their pets that are interruption them and much more reasons. especially for me as someone with crohns disease pausing is pretty necessary as i cant control when it flairs up. also someone else beating a boss using this method isnt affecting you at all. it doesnt make legit kills mean any less. getting rid of it for the sake of 1% of the entire player base feeling better about a boss kill is honestly stupid.
@@wilburtshnookums First off it does affect you cause it affects economy, if there is some fucked up boss that pausing really helps with then it does affect the prices of items that it drops, lets say you are the only person able to kill elder without pausing, you make a bank from his drops, then 10 more people start killing him using pause, its just straight unfair. Second thing is that 99% of people (lets just say 99 cause you're giving people with diseases as a counterargument) don't need to pause. They choose to. instead of thinking 5 minutes ahead and being like "hmm I wonder if I can start the boss now, I feel like going to the bathroom" they jump in and then pause cause they have the awareness of a 5 year old child disguised as "having life". Same thing goes with people saying "they don't have time to play 20 hours a day". Nobody does except for people that get paid for playing. Most of the people playing have a couple of hours a day and most people overall CAN spend an hour or a couple of hours to play, they just choose not to. Nobody forces you to play with your pet, nobody forces you to watch tv or some shit, it's your choice and you can do it before or after entering an instance but as I said, you don't have the mental capability to do that. By having a pause you are legit compromising the integrity of the competitive aspect of this game, because there is one. It's called economy and your pause takes out the need to have IQ above 80 to beat bosses since bosses test your cognitive adaptability that correlates with IQ but you don't need no adaptability if you can just pause and look at the mechanics.
@@wilburtshnookums That is the whole point of PoE, it being a niche hardcore game. Now that marketing was a success all the casuals are coming in and want the game adapted to them, just go play D4 and leave this game alone ...
Why would other players pausing their games affect you, its a choice they can make that you can choose not to. Freedom of choice is a winderful thing, and so are opportunities. Genuinely wondering why we want to police other players way of playing the game. Edit: If difficulty is supposed to be the goal, then just dont do it, i wont be. If players dont want this in hardcore, then im also ok with that.
Give the pause a black screen or heavy blur and give it a cooldown before you can pause again. In my opinion people using the pause to cheese is on similar level to logout macro
I think having pause is good just GGG should prevent people from asking for help and making surrounding screen BLACK so they can't see and pre-plan. Doing this way makes both HC and casuals happy.
I completely agree with you here. I'd wish no pausing at all while in combat and in any boss fight. Hitting escape during a boss fight would instantly reset you to a checkpoint. In addition, you'd lose one chance on the endgame. If they let the pause feature in, then killing any boss instantly becomes less satisfying and less of an achievement. Even if you truly kill one without pausing, you could never prove it unless you did it on live stream.
It seems like your issue with the mechanic is your achievement isn't the same as someone else's assuming they abuse this mechanic. I think that's a valid concern that almost nobody here will ever have. I doubt of the million players GGG is prepping for Friday, maybe a few thousand will be playing it competitively. The rest of us, really don't care, and will appreciate the flexibility. If the world first boss kill isn't done with an intentionally made exploit, it will be done with an unintentionally made exploit.
I have wife and kids. The fact that I will not need to incarcerate myself or become a hermit to fight a boss for 15m is a godsend. And I'm sure people with similar history will be 90% of the playerbase. So, remove the feature because the minuscule hardcore blaster no lifer community may not like it does not make any sense.
You using the word blaster suggest you're coming from D4 and never touched PoE ... you will never need 15 min to do a boss. And the discussion has nothing to do with removing pause, it's about pinnacle/hardcore bosses which is content casuals like you won't even touch
@@HazemMaddouri man be quiet and quit acting like you're some type of authority on who gets to play POE 2 and enjoy it because I'm telling you you're not and most people think so. So get off your high horse.
But what if someone is at your door and wants something from you, maybe for you to sign for a package and you're in the middle of a boss fight, and you can't pause? That episode of South Park comes to mind, where they play WoW and can't pause the fight so Cartman calls his mom for "bathroom". I'm a casual and don't care if someone cheeses the boss fight. Having a pause is great.
if that happens you quit the fight and deal with it, and the only person it affects is you, now the pause effectively affects everyone else that makes part of the game economy (wich is one of the fundamental arpg pillars), anyone who doesnt cheese with the pause will automatically be doing worse than the ones who do. Maven as he said, was one of the bosses i would fuckup sometimes, with the pause i would never fuckup, NEVER, and anyone not using it would probably still fuckup, did i play better? am i a better player? maybe, or maybe not, but i did in fact get a massive advantage.
I think this a good idea, there is no tricky shit for one simple reason, streamers think they are the shit on games but when it comes that they get kill on their first try they get upset or dissatisfied, that they sck balls no matter how good they are, short words streamers are a bad loosers when they get kill for being so cocky.
Oof 20% dislike ratio is huge. I'm honestly looking forward to a new ARPG where I'm going in blind and going to purposefully not engage with builds or watch people play; just take it at my own pace and enjoy it for what it is and not meta game it. ESPECIALLY for early access. I see this pause issue only being for the "world first" racers, but after that.. people will know the fights regardless. If the best players will abuse pause, then you'll have to abuse the pause as well. Just get good at pausing and reacting that way. I could see a good compromise being that there's no pause in hardcore so the sweats can just play hardcore.
They should make it so that “pausing” only works with a 5-10 second delay after hitting the pause button. It would ensure you can’t exploit the system to nullify gameplay errors while still giving players the flexibility to deal with life if/when they need to step away from the computer.
Since when a problem for the no-lifer player (which Rax is due to his work) is a problem for the game itself? PoE and PoE 2 aren't games for the average casual, sure, but being a blaster and crying for a pause option, especially because of hardcore, is very out of context. And let's not forget that Rax and the others complaining about it haven't even tried it. I am literally just gonna watch lore and info related videos about games, man. Complaints just reached their limit when people complain about a mechanic that hasn't been tested and its creator has already given strong arguments about why he thinks this is positive for his game.
Around 4:30 when you discuss the pausing, please keep in mind that this game is not made for world firsts, it's made for different types of players and people. Your concerns can be alleviated by adding a short cooldown, perhaps to the pausing, perhaps once every 15 seconds so that certain mechanics have to be faced by players without the benefit of pausing the game. While I understand why you were a little concerned about it, please keep in mind that this is a very niche thing, and most people that have normal lives would love a pause button while we help our significant others, or our kids, or maybe answer a phone call or look at some emails. Try to look at this in the context of the greater good rather than something that might interrupt a world first race.
Any online online multiplayer game shouldn’t be passable period. Specially if their is some kind of pve competition like world first kill etc. if they are shipping and selling a single player then state that in their marketing
the number of time i got kick out of the game for so many reason i dont want to loose my boss fight cause of that plus if you're a real gamer you know that sometime you can't control your stomach and in a middle of the fight you have to go to the bathroom but because some people complain about pausing you cant no this feature is required and its need to stay if its get remove and i get kick out of the game for any reason and loose my boss cause of that all of those people who's complaining about that feature will owe me a boss fight idc
Exactly. As a developer myself, I can confirm that people will literally "unearth" such exploits and WILL use them one way or the other. A lot of them. It should be addressed. A boss fight should feel like a boss fight.
I believe this option is good for only ssf or trade softcore, it shouldn’t be available at all on hardcore as the name implies. Im personally not a big fan of it in any scenario but the game is attracting all kinds of players and this feature seems to be better all around.
I can see both sides of this. On one hand, removing the pause feature can lead to more intense and challenging fights, making it an even greater achievement to defeat a boss without pausing. On the other hand, many players value the ability to pause for accessibility reasons. A potential solution might be to introduce a new rule specifically for Hardcore mode, where the pause functionality is entirely disabled.
Look man, this is a massive feature for 99.9% of the players, god bless they arent designing the game around the fact that the 00.01% might abuse something and not giving us massive QOL due to it.
Pause Button, please. YOU don't get to decide my POE gaming experience. And being opposed to the Pause button, and influence the developers with your voice, then YOU decide how I MY gaming experience should be like. But your worries and insecurities don't trump my rights.
I'm sorry, but you have to be legally disabled if what you got from this video was "remove pause" from the game. Or this is a bait comment and I'm falling for it. I'd actually prefer that.
@HazemMaddouri STFU. I play POE since it was in closed beta. And I say that the Pause option is a must. Besides, the irony in what you said is that GGG made POE2 10x more accessible to cater to more casual players.
When you cameback login from logout/dc and you choose to unpause and continue, devs said that the situation of the boss arena are the same exact before you disconnected from the game by any possible mean. Which is meant if you logout when your hp are about 5% and boss are close with you, You will comeback and continue with 5%hp + boss nearby you aswell. Which is this feature are difficult to cheese/abuse(it's not impossible, but it's clearly still hard to trick this rule). While i do agree some part of your point, that calling for help while the game is paused. But poe 1 feature can do that too anyway. Cheers.
Take pause away during the seasons maybe? Or for the first month of them? Pausing is a big win for anyone who has kids.. or a wife.. or a life outside of gaming
Ok it's a thing he has to do from one of his Subathon goals, Xmas hoodies all December. Don't worry, DM is now wearing the Blue Hoodie so Rax fans don't get hoodie withdrawl.
They could easily implement like a 5-10 min cooldown on pauses during boss fights. Surely ONE pause wouldn't be so cheesy that it would completely break the game. This way you'd get your emergency break if you need to and also not be able to cheese the game. I think this is a much better solution than just removing the pause mechanic altogether.
You guys are definitely making something out of nothing, if you dont want to pause then dont 😂 there is no prize for being competitive in this game so whats the point? 😂
I'm ok with pauses. But it depends on how it is done. If the pause comes with a menu that takes over the whole screen, that would be a bit more fair since it won't allow you to look at the screen and plan your next moves. Otherwise, sure, it becomes RtwP RPG lol. Imagine playin a soulslike and hitting spacebar to pause whenever you are in trouble.
I feel like this hypothetical pause abuse is probably being really overblown. Except for very specific circumstances, like the Maven game, I don't really think "pause cheesing" is really going to help you much in boss of fights. If I think of the hardest boss fights I've had in gaming, like Isshin from Sekiro...even if I could have paused, it wouldn't have helped me, it probably would have messed me up. In hard boss fights, you really have to get into a rhythm of dodging, evading or parrying the boss and then counterattacking. Constantly pausing and unpausing the game makes this harder, not easier. And it will be even worse when a big menu shows up in front of your face whenever you pause. Honestly, I would be shocked if "pause cheese" becomes some kind of meta.
The game does not pause in online play. But all speed-running is done in single player mode; and using escape pausing is fully allowed. The competitive integrity is maintained well even with the pausing.
I never even thought until you said it about pause during a boss fight. For the integrity of myself. Someone else said what if your kid needs something or your wife needs you to do something real quick. For a causal dad's out there it will help with not making our wife's hate our guts
Same. This sounds amazing as a player of WoW who does mythic raiding. Being able to enjoy a game like this and finally be able to pause and help when needed instead of my usual "Hold on I am in a dungeon or a boss fight". She will be very happy. Hope these CCs and No life streamers don't ruin it for everyone else.
@Swollen_Goat I know I just told my wife I'm spending money on a supporters pack for a game. Comes out on Friday. First thing she said was better not stop you from things I need you for. I said don't worry there's a pause button she stopped talking
I have to wear Christmas hoodies all month from my subathon in October 🎉
nu name Blaxxanterax?
Raxxaclaus when?
Hey Raxx why's your hoodie red?!
Ad infinitum.
Oh snap! He does change his clothes!
Keygiveawaystreams, here on YT or on Twitch?
I didn't know I was colorblind until today.
lollll
how did you find out? like what in the video tipped you off? Was it the red hoodie?
Yep @@jacobscott2473
I tried to get him to wear a red hoodie for d4 release but he didn't take the bait
@@jacobscott2473 I have some unfortunate news for you.
5:45 that's not the argument.
The "casuals won't use it" means casuals won't abuse it. But casuals will be most thankful for this feature since it makes the game better for interacting with your RL sorroundings
Yeah usually Rax is right on point but this was a strawman. Accidental I'm sure but a strawman nonetheless. Casuals absolutely want to be able to pause during the 1-2h they have to play so they can quickly change a nappy, let the dog out, etc.
Yeah he lost me with this take. "Don't design a game feature around your casual/average/normal player base because the %1/streamers/hardcore people may abuse it". This is one of those cases where content creators can negatively impact a game.
@@Alacod19 thing is if people don't like it they can just simply... *gasp* not use it lol. I don't know why people need to be FORCED to not do a thing that is up to them to do to begin with.
@@Orion3T 6:38
@@Alacod19 not really, because if you really listened it is ONLY for the MOST UBER Bossfights, and they all mostly talking about hardcore. How many casual players do you know have beaten the hardest content in PoE 1 .. in hardcore? There is not a single casual player on the world who did this. And all the other situations to pause the game are mostly okay - maybe not on hardcore as you can dodge a lot of stuff with pause. But anyways, I agree with the Uber boss pause feature, that shouldn't exist at least on hardcore. This won't affect a single carsal gamer...because then he/she isn't a casual, right?
Being able to pause is a great feature. I doubt its going to be cheesed other than by streamers and racers, so whocares. Its better for 99.99% of the player base by having it, so it should stay.
I dont care if Ziz is going to cry about it, I just want a game that more people can enjoy, not a game some streamer wants to farm more content from
Its crazy how little many big streamers think of the average person. Not every streamer is like that, but it sucks because i know people give them money for them not to care about them. Not our problem though.
@@Sephiroso. Correct, its like any other game. In LoL like 85% of players are gold and below and in PoE only 2.4% of players have killed Maven, yet theyre all "experts" now xD Im prolly in the 1% of PoE1 and ive argued so much with morons the past few days. Content creators are just that, CONTENT creators, most arent really good but to the average joe theyre virtually world class players haha.
I'm fine if they want to remove that "go back to checkpoint" button but pausing should stay. Most games in the boss battler genre have pause as well and no one uses it to cheese anything because it interrupts your rhythm during the fight.
@@TheRealValdiltruth be told, most of them quit after 30 min since it's a free game
@@rubenbarbosatoro1448 Fair point
I think you're wrong on this one dude. It's a minor issue for the 20 people competing for races/world first, and a massive benefit for the other 99.9% players. With them making bosses only have 1 attempt, they had to add the ability to pause.
Pause is awesome for people who have a live (children, wife, job, etc.) next to a video game. Luckily there are more people who have that, than streamers, or loners.
As a Dad who’s able to play CBT last Nov, having Pause by hitting ESC so I can attend to my kid’s needs immediately is a total God send.
Same, but the game isn't made for us.
That's my thing also....Keep the ESC
@JohnCramer-k1u ...Apparently it is.
If I'm solo let me pause hate the online only even when I'm playing alone.
As a single father of a 6yo and 10yo who often need my attention, I could not disagree with you more!!! i will not have the greatest game ever made have its integrity and difficult serious nature diluted to apease me!! NEVER should Path of Exile and GGG cater to my RL problems!! EVER!!!
I think it's better for ppl. They said if the system detects lag it will auto pause. I think saving players from lag spikes in boss fights is more important than scummbags abusing it.
I was going to comment this. I would rather have pause to protect against connection and server related issues. Especially in hardcore.
auto pausing on lag/dc is totally fine, being able to manually pause infinitely is not...
You can do one without the other
@@therealkylekelly yes it is. if you only value your boss kill in comparison to how others kill it then thats a you problem
@@therealkylekellyonce you hit lag / dc and the boss deletes you, pausing is irrelevant. completely agree with raxx, remove pause from bosses. the esc key should plop you in your last save, "safe" spot. to cheese boss mechanics is embarrassing and will be abused. in the case of life emergency, esc to safety and farm up mats to try again.
im sorry, but are you defending NOT being able to pause the game? nah man, you're alone on this one
we've been shitting on new games for the "always online" bullshit since they introduced it. most people play games solo, and most people dont have 12 uninterrupted hours to sit their asses in front of the computer, shit happens in real life.
what exactly is the problem with pausing? that some sweatlords will be able to learn a fight and kill the boss 5 minutes earlier? who the hell cares???? stop asking for games to be designed for the 1%
I can't wait for all the no-lifers to lose their mind when normal gamers play PoE2 and actually have fun instead of needing to treat it like a job.
this is a VERY WEIRD take from raxx.
the problem is he doesnt want to feel "cheated" by other players that have the ability to "cheese" the game by pausing and winning a fight because of it. Mf is acting like there is money on the line
@@Weaver_Games Our game has been great by not catering to the masses, you are infiltrating and trying to change it of course people won't be happy.
@@sweetbabyrayso5262There is - the amount of viewership and, therefore, ad/subscription revenue someone would get for having a world first kill of a pinnacle boss in a game like PoE2 is significant. People forget streamers aren’t just doing this for fun. They can make 6 or 7 (maybe more?) figures a year if they’re popular.
Pause is a quality of life feature that I, and I suspect a lot of people will be really happy is a thing. Sure, it might have some perceived negative effects for a tiny segment of the playerbase, but you can't design a game around them, at least not if you want a game to achieve mainstream success. Just my 2 cents.
That tiny segment wich is not as tiny as you think, are the ones who kept comming and spending for over 10 years, F off with your mainstream shit, casuals come and go, most of them dont even spend any money on the game and jump onto the next FOTM game as soon as it appears, if they neglect their "vet" playerbase its going to be bad in the long run, we "made" the game what it is today, when i started playing the game had only a couple thousand players.
Go back to d4 where you belong
@@GlockProductionz Cry more
@@GlockProductionz its simple, just go play PoE then. Super simple answer, the game will still have new content. The devs themselves basically want newer player accessibility, theyve spent years on these decisions. You should go argue that with them, not youtube comments. Why are you so angry at him anyway.
@@devxved shut the hell up and go back to D4, and btw it WILL be changed, i 100% assure you that, so tbh your opinion is invalid.
There is nothing controversial about pausing in the single player game
Nah, pausing is good. Sometimes you have to answer the door halfway through a boss, and losing the entire run as a result is awful
I have kids. Sometimes the change the tv channel or fall or shit all over the floor.
Yeah, the streamers and racers are out of touch with everyone else. They should just implement a "casual" mode or something that doesn't track you against world firsts and let everyone else have fun.
It's clear GGG wants a big market for this thing. Everyone hates on D4 but we need to remember it made more money in preorder sales than GGG has made, cumulatively, in its entire history. I think they want a large audience and to be the market leading ARPG. And to do that you might have to make some decisions that no-lifers take umbrage with.
@@Barn80 so let's just design a game that is so unfriendly to the user that only showerless trash goblins can play it, why stop at removing the pause? let's make it so that if you log out you die, just like real life.
@@Barn80 It's just adding a pause function not designing the game around it. Games have had pause since 1976 with the Fairchild Channel F.
When you die in Elden Ring you don't lose access to that boss. That is a major factor in why removing pauses for moments where you need to go afk for a minute or 2 is stupid. @@Barn80
Just like all the other parents - if I can pause a game then it makes it accessible for me. If I can't pause it then it severely limits the amount of time I can play, because I have to play when I know I'm absolutely not going to get interrupted. Knowing I might be able to pause whenever makes this game so much more exciting for me.
What if there is only 1% or less of the game you can’t pause, ie pinnacle bosses? If you’re so busy you can’t play a game that has a tiny part of it that can’t be paused how do you have time to play at all?
@echoesofmalachor3700 Well for a start, that wasn't the point I was making at all. And also, it's not about having no time at all to play. It's about having virtually no time without the chance of being interrupted. Doesn't mean the interruptions happen a lot, but they could happen whenever.
@@echoesofmalachor3700that isn't what they said at all. Just trying to argue for no reason.
We are not sure how long these boss fights can be yet but a pause will be nice. I have walked away from Elden ring boss fights for over 30 minutes sometimes before I could finish the fight. Maybe they just limit the amount of pauses and have certain fights reset the “puzzles”?
@@MagicBricakes how does not address your comment? Removing pausing from only a select few of the hardest bosses in this much content keeps 99.9% of the game free to pause and keeps the very very end game content extremely hard. I see very few of any people caring if your pausing the game for a campaign boss or the middle of a map. Just remove it for a select few fights of the hardest difficulty.
I prefer to play offline solo, and I often need to pause so this is good for me. I don’t care if someone pauses during a boss fight. It’s like in slay the spire you can reset combat but the best players don’t use it. If you want to use it to learn the boss then so be it I don’t care.
Same here. Even when I have time to sit down for a proper gaming sessions, I often get interrupted and need to step away from the PC. I wish I could lock myself in my room like when I was 14 or if I was a streamer, but a lot of us older gamers don't have that luxury.
@@peterk2735THIS^. I’m way too old to be gaming based on what society thinks. Lol. I welcome this change. And based on comments across multiple videos from Rax and Ziz it would seem the community is also very welcoming of this change.
for offline solo this is fine, i personally like the immersion and tension that is included in playing a game like this. but yeah solo offline no problem, but with MP economy its a problem.
I feel like this might just have an easy solution. Just black out the screen, makes it harder to pause and evaluate the situation if you can't see anything. It's probably not the best solution, but it doesn't remove features for casuals.
I just commented the same thing. I think this the best option. Even a full screen piece of poe art like the old school loading screens.
Pause too many times and pause Gets a CD. Increase the CD if repeated too much.
So many potential solutions. It's ok, pause is staying for those who need it.
you need more likes on this
that seems like a solution worth trying.
I don't particularly care about races or world first, and I like having the option to pause combat.
Yes, you dont, but many do, casuals come and go in the blink of an eye, vets and grinders are the ones who stay and spend every league, so ye they should cater to their actual playerbase.
As a vet and grinder, I very much appreciate a pause feature. I have a life that requires me to step away from my PC often. This convenience is an absolute net positive
@GlockProductionz without casuals coming to check the game out every once in awhile your game would die. Games cannot innovate and survive off of the last loyal few that brain rotted themselves into playing only one game forever.
@@omglimepie Not really, the game was never in dieing spiral, for 12 years it was always growing and was never casual, so ye casuals are not needed and the game will not cater to them period, i can bet you on that, it will be more acessible for new players, it will not be more acessible for casuals.
@@GlockProductionz Isn't couch coop casual? Recommended support gems? PoE 2 will be more casual friendly for sure.
Pause is a god sent for the average player, I feel like the worry about races and stuff like that is legit but is a bit selfish, I feel like you can disable pause in certain scenarios but removing pause all together is bad.
They can make custom pause-disabled races if need be. Though we haven't really had any proper races in many years so it's probably a nothingburger to begin with.
Also anyone whop has pubstompers on discord waiting in the wings... can join before the fight or mid fight without pause. It sounds like a non issue lawl.
Those of us with family n stuff interrupting the fights for a quick questions or 5min break need this pause!
Average players will never kill the top bosses anyway, so doesn't matter
this game is not for the average player!! it is for the dedicated!
@jadeapiata6545 the average player is different from the casual gamer. Most players do not care about or participate in races. Gatekeeping does nothing for the longevity of the game.
Being able to pause the game is just better overall in my opinion.
It's a game... for enjoyment.
If people cheese content with it, I can't really care. I just want to be able to take a pause from a game when needed.
Just because you dont care doesnt mean the rest of the playerbase doesnt care either, been playing PoE for over 12 years and i do care, if you commit to the boss you do it right period, if you feel like something might disturb your boss session just dont do it at that moment, it is that simple.
Who cares if you played for 12 years
Just don’t use pause? How does having a pause affect you if you don’t use it?
If you care for ladders go cry
@@bcuz6641 It´s gonna be removed 100% idc about what you feel, im 100% sure it will be removed, youre the one that have to deal with it.
@@GlockProductionz Copium :D it may be and it may not be. Remember GGG create systems that make games fun, and not integral. If they would really care about integrity then they would remove alt+f4 from poe1 LOOONG time ago, as its one of the most overused defence layer in HC. Simply, is it fun to pause and have a life? Yes? its staying, if its not fun then they will remove it which i doubt most players seem to love this idea
@@GlockProductionz oh and yes fuck your 12 years of non life experience in not poe2. No one cares.
Pause game is fantastic for parents. Please don't make them get rid of this feature. .
I think you need to try and play with 2 kids and a wife constantly wanting stuff, fighting or f*cking shit up
making it to end game pinnacle boss with 2 kids and a wife? get real /s kinda
Go be with your family, dude. This shit isn't worth all of the time that you're missing with them.
One thing i have learned after playing ARPGs recently is that the people who play ARPGs seem to care what OTHERS are doing in the THIER games, more than thier OWN gameplay
Couldn't disagree with you more. Grim dawn has pause-on-escape, and it just makes the game more fun for me personally.
People also said in LE and GD that adding an evade/dodge would be game breaking.... Now though, those same people would cry if they removed it.
D2, D3, grim dawn, and Last Epoch you could also pause and I've never heard of a single person using it to cheese a boss in my life
@@Weaver_Games in diablo 2 single player, yep - that's why i am a "Closed Bnet" diablo 2 player. When i had better internet after being in the US (because i used to play from Singapore to USWest back in the dial-up days), so after i got better latency, i play D2 LoD HC :)
I will agree for "boss fights" that it shouldn't happen but honestly, single player mode is not online, so you can do whatever you want because you're in control.
As for Diablo 3 in Solo (no party member), desyncs or whatever is the reason to do it.
For boss fight in general, it's punishing to be unprepared -- the thing to try is to play SC first before HC. It just feels awkward to "JUMP INTO HC -- but have the pause (yes we can say we have to answer the door to grab my ordered delivery, or i need to go to the bathroom ...
But at the end of the day, they need a better solution that still maintains a pause FOR going to the bathroom, so it's up to the game devs to find out the best way because we're humans needing to do other things IRL "in sudden moment".
@@Weaver_Games Pretty sure I've seen D3 videos/streams of alkaizer back in the day playing Raekor barb and pausing after every charge to plan where to charge next.
aka cheating
then go play that! you need your hand held like a scrub then this game is NOT for you!!!
I love the pause feature. I don't know how many deaths I've died because I left the computer at short notice and a fucking zombie ran around somewhere and ate me while i'm afk
Thats your god damn problem lmao!! thats the risk you take, shit I gotta go for 2 mins, there's a good chance ill die while standing here...... yeah... yeah you probably will die!.. And?? lmao hit the god damn portal scroll!!! fml
then just exit game?
Good. Go back to last check point and re-do.
@@jadeapiata6545well, now its your fucking problem that the game has a pause feature, i guess. 😂
@@kieranclarke4373 That's the point that people don't seem to be getting. If you go back to last check point during a Boss fight (SC or HC) you DO NOT get a redo. That map is bricked and you must start a new map and go through the process of finding the Boss again... and collect any mats needed to re-enter (if applicable).
Okay, well I just don’t see why players have an issue with this but don’t have an issue with logout macros. Your gaming the system, if you really wanna “nerf” the pause function make it completely cover your screen so you can’t see anything in game so you can just look at mechanics.
The entire reason logout exists boils down to bad POE1 mechanics. PoE2 Jonathan said logout is possible but not during pinnacle boss fights I thought? I've never used logout but completely understand why HC players use it. Im not a HC enjoyer but I might actually go HC in poe2 after my first SC playthrough
You really can't think of a way around them covering the boss fight when you are pause? It doesn't fix anything when it comes to the pausing on boss fight issue.
@@michaelwhiteley The complaints I've seen is that your going to be able to pause and look at what's on your screen to figure out where to go. If they make it where pausing just brings up a menu, logo, ect and a black background then that stops people from looking at mechanics.
@@Maximumdadgaming In the ziz video he said you can logout and the game will reset the fight after sometime. In the case of this new system you don't have to do that since you can just pause and go back to your checkpoint. Also PoE2 is still more than likely going to have lag and server issues which hopefully if what Jonathan said was correct the game should auto pause when it detects major latency problems.
@ShimoKuma And now we have programs that take a screenshot of your screen right as you pause so you can study it while paused
As someone who has never done any pinnacle bosses with 20k+ hours in PoE1, I think pause is one of the best features in PoE2.
When you say we shouldn't design the game around emergency cases where you need to step away from the game, I can tell that you've never lost a hard core character because your wife and kids were screaming for your attention and after telling them to wait five times and finding a place where you think you can port to safety you look away only to find out a random mob tagged you mid animation and now your character is gone lol.
The so called "emergencies" happen more often than you'd think.
yup.
one can clearly see when the other hasn't experienced that.
You can always just log out in case of emergency, like what kind of argument is that? That is pure greed to not lose progress and entirely on you. The game should not be designed around people not wanting to log out when their wife and kids scream at them.
This is only really a Hardcore %1 issue. Barring mats at the endgame softcore can just throw themselves at mechanics anyways and casual hardcore players severely overgear their encounters.. Pausing benefits outweigh the potential abuse. If people think GGG needs to address this then just disable pause in hardcore but I don't think it's going to be that big of an issue, imo.
Edit: someone else brought up if they heavily blur the screen or blackout/screensaver it this could be even more of a nonissue. Have we seen the pause screen?
Casual hardcore players lmao.
Man oh man ARPG guys love to put themselves in boxes.
@@clickbaitsellout7032 I was referring to the game mode "Hardcore" not creating an oxymoron. There no "boxes" being built here, there are varying levels of playstyle amongst all people who play video games. The most common being casual, hardcore and no-lifers. I chose the one suited for what I intended my comment to mean.
Ive never in my life heard somebody complain that you could pause a game.
You can't pause the game during souls or monster hunter games and if they changed it ppl would be upset. If you think you might have to pause the game soon then don't go into the boss arena
@@drooby-w7y the only monster hunter to ever not have pause was monster hunder world. you are so ignorant its laughable bro
@@drooby-w7y imagine being able to predict when you are going to have to step away from a game.. OH I better not enter this boss fight. Maybe something will happen in the next 2-10 minutes that I better be prepared for. Jeez.
@@drooby-w7y Those don't have permadeath or limited attempts at a fight. And you generally respawn not far away. Or you can just log off. If I start a fight that I spent a load of time gathering mats for and my phone rings, I want to be able to answer it. It could be something important like a customer.... I shouldn't have to choose between retaining a customer and losing a load of progress.
Imagine playing Elden ring and in every boss fight you just keep pausing to perfectly time every dodge. Should never be a thing
For me, as an SSF gamer, this change is great!
I don't care about party play, I can pause and think if needed if something is a bit confusing when seeing for the 1st time, or I can quickly check some urgent IRL stuff in the middle of a boss fight, this is a great feature and who cares if someone will tryhard and use this feature to make a boss fight a bit easier on a certain edge case.
the reward for winning a tense situation is much greater atleast for myself, than winning a casual situation. also this feature will make every boss fight way easier, u can literally do a skill, pause, look for telegraph or areas, dodge, skill, pause rinse and repeat. u can turn the game into an turn based game
are we able to pause during multiplayer game(same like csgo)?
@@Dagginakkiok then don't use it and let the people who like it use it problem solved people act like because something exists they must use it if something isn't for you ignore it and people wanting to argue about the ladder and rankings so what does online fake standing really mean that much not to mention people will find some sort of cheesey bs no matter what that's how the top get there period.
@@Dagginakkiyou're gonna pause and the boss will just be standing there and you won't learn anything lol, its not like you can do slow mo for the boss while you move at regular speed, that's what you're describing.
@@johnoden5932and after they abuse it, it will be used as a point to balance the game around just as logout macro in poe1, then im either forced to use it or cripple my own gameplay
As someone who plays at work and needs to be able to stop at any moment, being able to pause in single player D3 was something I appreciated so much. I also don't think its a big deal on bosses.
This is a HUGE qol issue for me. Game changing.
This was a BS video. Normal people who have normal jobs and businesses want a pause button
So......just dont pause...whats the issue? Why would u care if some random guy u don't know pauzes the game in his playthrough?
It ain’t some random guy it’s a competition there’s leaderboards people will abuse this especially when POE2 is all about bossing and no one knows the fights yet
in the same way summons in elden ring. in absolutly no way... and still there are people going: "bUt ThEy DoNt PlAy ThE gAmE tHe RiGhT wAy....."
@@van7915then they should actually vocalize it better because the comments aren't on the same page. They want it gone completely. Theres 3 sides to this argument, when it should be a simple hey we just dont want this feature in hardcore. That's fine by me. Or leaderboards need proof of no pausing.
@@van7915 leaderboards don't matter
Did you even watch the video?
Makes sense from the perspective of a no-lifer (don't mean that in a derogatory way). But I won't even be doing any pinnacle bosses, I am pretty sure. I'll play the game for a thousand hours, but banging my head against a wall is just not something I enjoy or get satisfaction from. So for me, there is no downside, but the upside is kinda massive. Being able to pause to answer a friend's call is good.
I mean he literally said that he doesn't mind the pause feature in the rest of the game, such as mapping or the campaign because it doesn't matter. So if you never plan on doing pinnacle bosses, then his opinion is in agreement with yours
Easiest middle ground is simply heavily blur, mosaic, or black screen so you can't study the pattern while paused.
My thoughts too.
This is the obvious answer to me
Add a 3 second delay before the pause and it's fine if it's blurred too so that you can't cheese
Or you can add a rate limit to pausing. You can pause instantly, but when you unpause, you can’t pause again for 5 seconds. If you pause right when that 5 seconds is up, now your cooldown is 10 seconds. This lets you instantly pause if you have some need to, but you can’t spam it to effectively slow down the fight.
@@TimberlyPL There is an argument that the game should not be designed around the extremes. In this case only the sweatiest of people will try and use this method, yet balancing around that extreme hurts the average player.
Just a heavy blur is fine imo, anything more and you are trying to design a feature around the extremes.
I personally love the pause. I don't use it to kill bosses but it is convenient just in general. If so concerned about pausing during bosses just put a time limit on it like you Can only pause once during boss fight or once every 5 mins or something. Anyone who needs to perma pause a boss to kill is a beta.
Spoken like someone who isn't a parent. Being able to pause during crucial moments like this is a godsend.
I find it amusing how hard you bashed chat yesterday for disagreeing with you and now 99% of youtube comments disagree too
I find it amusing how 99% of the people in this youtube comments disagreeing with Raxx are going to their ass kicked, rage quit and give up on the game before completing campaign. So, their opinion shouldn't matter because casuals that want this won't be playing the game for long anyways.
@@reneemaestas607 you can try gatekeeping but that wont stop people from playing. good luck
@@reneemaestas607In which case the now routine predictions about PoE2 “killing” D4 is probably not going to happen.
@@reneemaestas607 PoE1 is the game for you. It's not going offline and will have indefinite support. I think PoE2 will reach wide appeal. GGG has captured the no-lifer market and have literally no avenues left to grow the company. They've put crazy amounts of time and money into PoE2 and it's clear they want a bigger audience for it.
@@Weaver_Games Just a realist trying to keep it real here, and we'll see all the complaints from crybabies all over the place by Monday morning guaranteed.
You'll more than likely be there crying as well. Have Fun and good luck though!
Also you miss the point that POEx are looter games. The whole idea is to get to better loot faster = killing bosses quicker once you know how to kill them.
If you don't pause, you get loot quicker. Once you know how to defeat boss, pause mechanic becomes irrelevant, unless there's pizza at the door or the toddler hurting himself in the background.
Let the people have their pause button, you still have advantage over them as a blaster-streamer-player.
Still very early and they are experimenting, however this take sounds like "You really didn't beat Elden Ring since you used summons."
@@valkyriealpha hey. Atleast its not pausing!
Lol facts
LMAO couldn't agree more. Sweat lords trying to glorify their achievements 🤣Just play the fking video game lmao
It's wild how people let what others MIGHT do "ruin" their experience lmao
I killed Ornstein & Smough without summons. It was brutal and took me a dozen tries, as well as coming back later when I gained like 12 levels.
...then I saw the summon portal (and found about the mechanic in general) and facepalmed. Would have loved to use it lol.
Umm these tubers and streamers only care about their income stream. We normals have a life and need to pause and not forgo everything over a game. Remember its a GAME!!! Not real life, when you get married and have kids you will understand.
I am married and have 4 kids at home. I absolutely care about these exploits. The actual endgame of PoE is the economy. Love the pause, hate the repetitive pause exploits. Always hated the logout macro even though I used it. We needed it because of lag/dc deaths, but that is not a thing anymore.
As a parent with 2 small children I can only play when they sleep, but they can wake up at any moment, if I cant pause I cant play, sadly.
PoE "pausing" was simply opening a portal so you could go handle irl.
Then don’t play
@@Sephiroso.not in delve. Its my favorite endgame system but boy does it blow for irl things and trading.
@@Demonthese1 True, Delve was always kinda partitioned off to be it's own thing
Logout macros exists: HC players - don't care.
A simple pause function: Oh god, everyone is going to cheese.
Me: typical smooth brain, where the hell am I? And what the hell is this? Death count: 1289
And those two things area totally different. Did they stop teaching kids to think in school?
I agree, if anything I think the hardcore players ability to escape is a cheese. The pause feature is nothing.
If you cant understand the difference between the two, you probably never graduated high school.
@@1relaxedpanda Except pausing you get infinite uses and can stop and think MID COMBAT what you want to do next. Logout macro you had to use while in combat situations and you could only use 5 times before no more portals and no ability to stop and think what you want to do MID FIGHT. Use your head if you have one.
@@newaccountwhodis7492 exactly my thoughts on this!!!
You know PoE2 is going to be an insane game when THIS little mechanic is actually the thing people are complaining about 😂
the Pause mechanic is basically you, the user, becoming a chronomancer IRL
oh you can run and attack while the game is paused? fascinating. sounds like a bug, better report it.
1 try per boss is a massive fail for me, seems pretty disrespectful for player time. At the very least this should be 2 tries.
Pause benefits more players than it harms, but your worry about the competitive end is valid. I wouldn't get rid of pause, but maybe you could put it as an option in the settings menu with the warning that enabling it may disqualify you from some end game leaderboards.
I would rename the current version of hard-core to “Single Soul.”Then create a true “hard-core” that has no pause and once you enter the boss room, it’s you or them.
What would happen in this "true hard-core" scenario if you dc?
@@BbXxQQ If you play hard core then you die - if pausing is a big deal so is free get out jail for DC - or it's not - hardcore is a joke if you can get away at all anytime anyway.
@@BbXxQQ if you die you die
Second this. They can also make it so hardcore is only ssf. They can also decrease the number of potions. Stat squish, etc, then it will be truly a challenge for the 1%... Usually Raxx is on point, but this was just a swing and a very big miss. PoE is already complex and hard, this feature will add nothing to them, but help out/be a good feature for other, if not the majority of players, at least in my opinion. For them it's as simple as not using it, but no, Ben is throwing a tantrum and now we have the blasters complaining as well...
Raxx decided to use a red hoodie when he saw DM using his blue one
DM really thought he had joined The Brotherhood, then he saw Raxx in red and yelled out "dammit Raxx" 😂
I think it was more that Raxx had to wear Christmas hoodies, he had no choice or say in the matter, and so the world was doomed... But lo, a lone warrior on a motorcycle hailing from the barren wastelands of Alaska arose to carry the eternal blue flame so that its light may never extinguish. "I'm raidy!" he said. He's actually a hero.
I didn't even realize he wasn't wearing the blue hoodie til I started reading this comment. The Colorblind and Seeing red comments had me double checking the paint frame and still missed it.
Who dfk cares is a fk&ing video game, if YOU want to ruin YOUR gaming experience is on YOU. want to flex World 1st killed?.... everyone would flame you and not acknowledge legitimately of killed because you scumbag your way through it.
I don't think you'll actually be able to cheese the boss by pausing. I'm pretty sure they thought of that. They said that there's no way to cheese any of the bosses. You probably won't be able to invite while paused. And pausing would blank out the screen so you wouldn't be able to see and analyze how to dodge an incoming attack. But we will see when the games out. It's early access. It's meant to test these systems to see if they work or not.
GGG has clearly put years of thought into these design decisions, I trust them that they're doing what they think is best and that almost everything has been thought through. And yes, PoE Ben might not like some decisions - but the goal with PoE2 was not to design the perfect game for a handful of streamers. I think it's obvious they want something close to mass market with this thing.
I think pause is fine. I think most people think pause is fine too.
If the HC community doesn't want pause and would prefer a time-delayed exit (forfeiting entry mats as a penalty), I can certainly see why.
BUT for SC players the pause is certainly extremely useful - even if it is abused, this is still WAY better than cheesing bosses in POE1 (deaths without boss resets; logout macros; having to record & replay boss fights frame by frame, then Google what all the debuff icons and boss keywords mean). And there will be a sense of progression in learning bosses and being able to get through them with fewer deaths/pauses each new run.
Easiest solution is to just make it a softcore thing. If you go into the boss fight in hc you are taking a risk, and being able to just leave the fight removes that and the entire point of playing hc. Same goes for a logout macro. Whereas in sc, theres no real downside other than hunting down that boss again, which is the default penalty, only in this case you basically choose to take the penalty to save a few secs to a minute.
I would like to keep the pause especially for softcore. There are plenty reasons why one might want to pause and step away for a moment and I don't want to lose that function because a smaller portion of the community would use it to cheese fights.
They could black out the screen during a pause so you cannot see the mechanic, they could put a timer on the pause so it cannot be spammed or they could remove pausing for hardcore and at least I would be opting into not having a pause.
if you are starting a pinnacle boss fight and you can't dedicate 5-10 minutes of uninterrupted time then you should not be starting the fight. The amount of situations in which you would have to immediately pause and or leave your computer are just as infrequent and rare as the minority who would abuse this mechanic. You are undertaking serious end game content, treat it as such and eliminate distractions or do it at a later time.
@@therealkylekelly different people different circumstances. you can't be seriously asking most people to "dedicate" their time over a game. Game is meant to be fun, not to punish you for having real life priorities.
@@leblancattire5951 you are legit retarded
Man, I thought I was bleeding from the eye and seeing all red there.
Corruption ftom the beast spread to his hoodie
This is nonsense.
Complete nontroversy.
Oh no, you can invite your friends to fight a boss with you! How terrible!
How about the escape menu just covers the screen so you can't see the actual game to cheese the fight?
This is such a great feature. I'm tired of people who are essentially paid to play the game dictating design for people who are just trying to have fun.
Especially since this feature is nothing new
Not a single normal person is complaining about this. Only streamers
Diverse mode options could resolve this issue: leaderboards focused on a mode with pause disabled, solo self found mode, another more casual friendly mode ect. And then have hc and sc
More options for players is almost
Always better.
have to spit trade as well. It makes RMT easier if you can pause and restart a fight.
Dont worry about it, if its shit they will change it
this just feels like when esports people try to change balance thats going to benefit them and no one else. his take on the casual argument saying only the emergency is a valid is out of touch. most people will use the pause to use the bathroom, get food, water, give attention to their pets that are interruption them and much more reasons. especially for me as someone with crohns disease pausing is pretty necessary as i cant control when it flairs up. also someone else beating a boss using this method isnt affecting you at all. it doesnt make legit kills mean any less. getting rid of it for the sake of 1% of the entire player base feeling better about a boss kill is honestly stupid.
@@wilburtshnookums First off it does affect you cause it affects economy, if there is some fucked up boss that pausing really helps with then it does affect the prices of items that it drops, lets say you are the only person able to kill elder without pausing, you make a bank from his drops, then 10 more people start killing him using pause, its just straight unfair. Second thing is that 99% of people (lets just say 99 cause you're giving people with diseases as a counterargument) don't need to pause. They choose to. instead of thinking 5 minutes ahead and being like "hmm I wonder if I can start the boss now, I feel like going to the bathroom" they jump in and then pause cause they have the awareness of a 5 year old child disguised as "having life". Same thing goes with people saying "they don't have time to play 20 hours a day". Nobody does except for people that get paid for playing. Most of the people playing have a couple of hours a day and most people overall CAN spend an hour or a couple of hours to play, they just choose not to. Nobody forces you to play with your pet, nobody forces you to watch tv or some shit, it's your choice and you can do it before or after entering an instance but as I said, you don't have the mental capability to do that. By having a pause you are legit compromising the integrity of the competitive aspect of this game, because there is one. It's called economy and your pause takes out the need to have IQ above 80 to beat bosses since bosses test your cognitive adaptability that correlates with IQ but you don't need no adaptability if you can just pause and look at the mechanics.
@@wilburtshnookums That is the whole point of PoE, it being a niche hardcore game. Now that marketing was a success all the casuals are coming in and want the game adapted to them, just go play D4 and leave this game alone ...
He stated they did it so the game would be fun, he is more concerned about it being fun to ppl, than the fact others might cheese it.
yeah pause is good. That's it. Not everyone can be sat there with no interruptions at all times. This is kinda just gatekeeping in another form.
Why would other players pausing their games affect you, its a choice they can make that you can choose not to. Freedom of choice is a winderful thing, and so are opportunities. Genuinely wondering why we want to police other players way of playing the game.
Edit: If difficulty is supposed to be the goal, then just dont do it, i wont be. If players dont want this in hardcore, then im also ok with that.
Give the pause a black screen or heavy blur and give it a cooldown before you can pause again. In my opinion people using the pause to cheese is on similar level to logout macro
@@Kuzka_ yeah it can be fixed in many ways.
Great idea! and also or maybe just dont allow to pause during pinnacle bosses and yes to pause during all the rest of the game
Good thinking, or maybe it's even possible to limit the number of pauses to 1-3 per boss fight.
@@martinschmidt5366 Or maybe let people play a single player game however they want?
I think having pause is good just GGG should prevent people from asking for help and making surrounding screen BLACK so they can't see and pre-plan. Doing this way makes both HC and casuals happy.
Love the pausing. As a convenience thing and not a cheese thing. I dont see the same problems with it as you do. Hope they keep it
that’s because ur not at a pinnacle boss
I completely agree with you here. I'd wish no pausing at all while in combat and in any boss fight. Hitting escape during a boss fight would instantly reset you to a checkpoint. In addition, you'd lose one chance on the endgame. If they let the pause feature in, then killing any boss instantly becomes less satisfying and less of an achievement. Even if you truly kill one without pausing, you could never prove it unless you did it on live stream.
There’s absolutely no problem with this the real problem is the sweaty streamers that have ruined gaming over the years
It seems like your issue with the mechanic is your achievement isn't the same as someone else's assuming they abuse this mechanic. I think that's a valid concern that almost nobody here will ever have. I doubt of the million players GGG is prepping for Friday, maybe a few thousand will be playing it competitively. The rest of us, really don't care, and will appreciate the flexibility. If the world first boss kill isn't done with an intentionally made exploit, it will be done with an unintentionally made exploit.
I have wife and kids. The fact that I will not need to incarcerate myself or become a hermit to fight a boss for 15m is a godsend. And I'm sure people with similar history will be 90% of the playerbase.
So, remove the feature because the minuscule hardcore blaster no lifer community may not like it does not make any sense.
You using the word blaster suggest you're coming from D4 and never touched PoE ... you will never need 15 min to do a boss. And the discussion has nothing to do with removing pause, it's about pinnacle/hardcore bosses which is content casuals like you won't even touch
@@HazemMaddouri man be quiet and quit acting like you're some type of authority on who gets to play POE 2 and enjoy it because I'm telling you you're not and most people think so. So get off your high horse.
@@HazemMaddouri bet you don't even play HC and are just bandwagonning
But what if someone is at your door and wants something from you, maybe for you to sign for a package and you're in the middle of a boss fight, and you can't pause? That episode of South Park comes to mind, where they play WoW and can't pause the fight so Cartman calls his mom for "bathroom". I'm a casual and don't care if someone cheeses the boss fight. Having a pause is great.
if that happens you quit the fight and deal with it, and the only person it affects is you, now the pause effectively affects everyone else that makes part of the game economy (wich is one of the fundamental arpg pillars), anyone who doesnt cheese with the pause will automatically be doing worse than the ones who do. Maven as he said, was one of the bosses i would fuckup sometimes, with the pause i would never fuckup, NEVER, and anyone not using it would probably still fuckup, did i play better? am i a better player? maybe, or maybe not, but i did in fact get a massive advantage.
@GlockProductionz Maybe they can limit it to a couple of times per fight or something, but having no ability to pause at all is lame.
I think this a good idea, there is no tricky shit for one simple reason, streamers think they are the shit on games but when it comes that they get kill on their first try they get upset or dissatisfied, that they sck balls no matter how good they are, short words streamers are a bad loosers when they get kill for being so cocky.
Oof 20% dislike ratio is huge.
I'm honestly looking forward to a new ARPG where I'm going in blind and going to purposefully not engage with builds or watch people play; just take it at my own pace and enjoy it for what it is and not meta game it. ESPECIALLY for early access.
I see this pause issue only being for the "world first" racers, but after that.. people will know the fights regardless. If the best players will abuse pause, then you'll have to abuse the pause as well. Just get good at pausing and reacting that way.
I could see a good compromise being that there's no pause in hardcore so the sweats can just play hardcore.
If everyone can do it, there's no problem... it seems like a completely pointless whining to me!
For 99% of the player base this has no impact and likely won't even be noticed, but sure for streamers I can see how this isn't ideal
They should make it so that “pausing” only works with a 5-10 second delay after hitting the pause button.
It would ensure you can’t exploit the system to nullify gameplay errors while still giving players the flexibility to deal with life if/when they need to step away from the computer.
Serious God teir players don't use the pause on bosses, for everyone else that's something to aspire to.
No real drama
Since when a problem for the no-lifer player (which Rax is due to his work) is a problem for the game itself?
PoE and PoE 2 aren't games for the average casual, sure, but being a blaster and crying for a pause option, especially because of hardcore, is very out of context. And let's not forget that Rax and the others complaining about it haven't even tried it.
I am literally just gonna watch lore and info related videos about games, man. Complaints just reached their limit when people complain about a mechanic that hasn't been tested and its creator has already given strong arguments about why he thinks this is positive for his game.
Looking forward to wearing the black POE 2 hoodie in 2 days
I choose the extra points 😋
Around 4:30 when you discuss the pausing, please keep in mind that this game is not made for world firsts, it's made for different types of players and people. Your concerns can be alleviated by adding a short cooldown, perhaps to the pausing, perhaps once every 15 seconds so that certain mechanics have to be faced by players without the benefit of pausing the game.
While I understand why you were a little concerned about it, please keep in mind that this is a very niche thing, and most people that have normal lives would love a pause button while we help our significant others, or our kids, or maybe answer a phone call or look at some emails. Try to look at this in the context of the greater good rather than something that might interrupt a world first race.
Any online online multiplayer game shouldn’t be passable period. Specially if their is some kind of pve competition like world first kill etc. if they are shipping and selling a single player then state that in their marketing
the number of time i got kick out of the game for so many reason i dont want to loose my boss fight cause of that plus if you're a real gamer you know that sometime you can't control your stomach and in a middle of the fight you have to go to the bathroom but because some people complain about pausing you cant no this feature is required and its need to stay if its get remove and i get kick out of the game for any reason and loose my boss cause of that all of those people who's complaining about that feature will owe me a boss fight idc
Jesus, i am totally on the other side here. Pausing is very good for us normies, who care about the race etc.
The point is you normies will go away soon, and we dedicated players will be left with the trashy choices made for normies. Do you understand ?
They’d make more money by accommodating to the casuals short-term than the 1% of the community long-term. Don’t be dense.
Bro, just breath. This is a non-issue. If you had a small child you would be praising this as a god send.
aye.
it is very clear to see that RAXX doesn't have those random things to take care of popping up xD
Exactly. As a developer myself, I can confirm that people will literally "unearth" such exploits and WILL use them one way or the other. A lot of them. It should be addressed. A boss fight should feel like a boss fight.
I believe this option is good for only ssf or trade softcore, it shouldn’t be available at all on hardcore as the name implies. Im personally not a big fan of it in any scenario but the game is attracting all kinds of players and this feature seems to be better all around.
I can see both sides of this. On one hand, removing the pause feature can lead to more intense and challenging fights, making it an even greater achievement to defeat a boss without pausing. On the other hand, many players value the ability to pause for accessibility reasons. A potential solution might be to introduce a new rule specifically for Hardcore mode, where the pause functionality is entirely disabled.
Look man, this is a massive feature for 99.9% of the players, god bless they arent designing the game around the fact that the 00.01% might abuse something and not giving us massive QOL due to it.
Pause Button, please.
YOU don't get to decide my POE gaming experience.
And being opposed to the Pause button, and influence the developers with your voice, then YOU decide how I MY gaming experience should be like.
But your worries and insecurities don't trump my rights.
I'm sorry, but you have to be legally disabled if what you got from this video was "remove pause" from the game.
Or this is a bait comment and I'm falling for it. I'd actually prefer that.
Actually we do decide, PoE is catered to the tryhards. Casual normies just go play D4
@HazemMaddouri STFU.
I play POE since it was in closed beta. And I say that the Pause option is a must.
Besides, the irony in what you said is that GGG made POE2 10x more accessible to cater to more casual players.
When you cameback login from logout/dc and you choose to unpause and continue,
devs said that the situation of the boss arena are the same exact before you disconnected from the game by any possible mean. Which is meant if you logout when your hp are about 5% and boss are close with you, You will comeback and continue with 5%hp + boss nearby you aswell. Which is this feature are difficult to cheese/abuse(it's not impossible, but it's clearly still hard to trick this rule).
While i do agree some part of your point, that calling for help while the game is paused. But poe 1 feature can do that too anyway.
Cheers.
100% agree. Pause in normal game == OK, pause during bosses == automatic exit from the fight.
Take pause away during the seasons maybe? Or for the first month of them? Pausing is a big win for anyone who has kids.. or a wife.. or a life outside of gaming
Why is the hoodie red? Is this a glitch in the matrix?
I assume it's a December = Xmas thing?
Ok it's a thing he has to do from one of his Subathon goals, Xmas hoodies all December. Don't worry, DM is now wearing the Blue Hoodie so Rax fans don't get hoodie withdrawl.
They could easily implement like a 5-10 min cooldown on pauses during boss fights. Surely ONE pause wouldn't be so cheesy that it would completely break the game. This way you'd get your emergency break if you need to and also not be able to cheese the game. I think this is a much better solution than just removing the pause mechanic altogether.
This would work, but something like a 2 min CD would probably be enough.
You guys are definitely making something out of nothing, if you dont want to pause then dont 😂 there is no prize for being competitive in this game so whats the point? 😂
I'm ok with pauses. But it depends on how it is done. If the pause comes with a menu that takes over the whole screen, that would be a bit more fair since it won't allow you to look at the screen and plan your next moves.
Otherwise, sure, it becomes RtwP RPG lol. Imagine playin a soulslike and hitting spacebar to pause whenever you are in trouble.
I feel like this hypothetical pause abuse is probably being really overblown. Except for very specific circumstances, like the Maven game, I don't really think "pause cheesing" is really going to help you much in boss of fights. If I think of the hardest boss fights I've had in gaming, like Isshin from Sekiro...even if I could have paused, it wouldn't have helped me, it probably would have messed me up.
In hard boss fights, you really have to get into a rhythm of dodging, evading or parrying the boss and then counterattacking. Constantly pausing and unpausing the game makes this harder, not easier. And it will be even worse when a big menu shows up in front of your face whenever you pause.
Honestly, I would be shocked if "pause cheese" becomes some kind of meta.
Diablo 2 had escape pausing and this is the true sequel of the game. You still get absolutely blown up in Hardcore.
It does NOT pause in online just is offline mode
I don't think you could pause online. Only in single player.
The game does not pause in online play. But all speed-running is done in single player mode; and using escape pausing is fully allowed. The competitive integrity is maintained well even with the pausing.
youtubers are getting corny ...
I never even thought until you said it about pause during a boss fight. For the integrity of myself. Someone else said what if your kid needs something or your wife needs you to do something real quick. For a causal dad's out there it will help with not making our wife's hate our guts
Same. This sounds amazing as a player of WoW who does mythic raiding. Being able to enjoy a game like this and finally be able to pause and help when needed instead of my usual "Hold on I am in a dungeon or a boss fight". She will be very happy. Hope these CCs and No life streamers don't ruin it for everyone else.
@Swollen_Goat I know I just told my wife I'm spending money on a supporters pack for a game. Comes out on Friday. First thing she said was better not stop you from things I need you for. I said don't worry there's a pause button she stopped talking
@@taochi100 You paused her. 🏆
@FlexLUTHORdev That's a good one
Love pause. Imagine your kids set house on fire, pause, put out fire, un-pause.
L take. Pause is a HUGE quality of life feature in the age of pauseless online games.
D3 has pause, and I like it.