Versus Series: Plo Koon + Obi Wan Kenobi + Shaak Ti VS Ki Adi Mundi + Anakin Skywalker + Kit Fisto
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- Its a Jedi VS Jedi Team Battle in this LONG awaited finale to Versus Series Season 6!
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Can’t wait for Anakin to realise he’s the only Jedi who isn’t a master in this matchup...
"This outrageous! It's unfair!"
Take a seat
Another mistake on the council's part
Yeah that’s the Joy hi h hi
Execute order 66
Nothing could be worth a year of waiting, but I’m still extremely grateful for your patience. You guys are the best! :)
It is worth the wait. But maybe I'm just patient.
You're too hard on yourself. Life happens. I just appreciate what you and the others do. I find it very entertaining and you don't sacrifice quality for quantity. Thank you very much.
Dude check the lengths of your content, you are being humble so thankyou but you of all people know how long these take to make. Keep up the great content, life happens mate.
gotta disagree the only person who can match Anakin is Kenobi and i think Ti falls first then they wreck the rest I declare team Anakin the victor
@@sithlord115 Anakin vs Ti in the temple
When Anakin realizies, that he's the only Jedi in this match up, who is not a Master, the fight is over
What?
@@drachna this is outrageous
It's unfair!
how can you be on the council and not be a master
@@celestialrosalie take a seat young skywalker
It still bugs me that Mace Windu brought Kit Fisto to fight a SINGLE opponent in Palpatine
Not sure if you'll read this after 1 year, but if somebody else does have a look:
Kit was available, and Shaak Ti was a better proven defensive strategist. When Anakin brought news about Palpatine to Mace Windu, the latter was already on his way to confront Palpatine ("We're going to ensure the Chancellor returns emergency powers back to the Senate.") In that moment, 1/3 or 1/2 the Jedi Council was off of Coruscant, he didn't many many to chose from and deliberately left Anakin behind (had Anakin watched Palpatine cut down other Jedi in front of him, he'd likely have a different reaction).
Plo Koon, Kenobi, Yoda, Ki-Adi-Mundi and Stass Alle, were all on separate planets. I'm not sure where or how Eeth Koth or Coleman Kcaj died, but WIndu did have half the Jedi Council members still on Coruscant behind him when he walked up to Darth Sidious. Fisto even expressed how he missed Kenobi or Yoda were with them, while Tiin and Kolar were confident they would be too much for any Sith. Quite....symbolically given who died in which order.
Also, Fisto, Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar had done successful strike-missions with Windu in the past, especially to dismantle a Bounty Hunter Guild aiming for Jedi contracts, only.
Windu took the ones he was the most familiar with, and could rely on stronger than the others. Shaak Ti would have been a better partner, but she was also a more proven strategist and large-scale leader than Tiin, Kolar or Fisto, so it's sensible Windu left her in-charge of the Temple if his mission failed. Problematically, Windu didn't register how Palpatine also controlled the Clone Army, nor orchestrated the Naboo Crisis and the War itself.
@@geoffreyedgson7875 I agree with you completely.
Also Eeth Koth retired from the Jedi at some point during the war, and was killed by Vader at some point after ROTS.
As for Coleman Kcaj, I think I read somewhere that he managed to hide himself on a remote planet and the Empire never found him.
@@geoffreyedgson7875 Koth originally died on Geonosis and was replaced by Agen Kolar altogether, in the EU.
@@davidwhitted289 Vader vs Koth only applies to the Disney trash
@@yrooxrksvi7142 That's not a very fun take. The Vader comics have a lot to give and plenty of interesting, even controversial, Jedi survivors.
Reti4 - So it begins. *Stares down the face of a legion of fellow nerds*
I'm going to be honest...while I do appreciate the analysis you guys did here there's just one problem...it was way too obvious. Anyone who's paying attention to previous videos by you guys knows how you view these characters and it was too obvious to see that this fight would result in the victory of PloObiTi. As hard as you guys worked on this, you never should've done this in the first place. Scrapping it would've been the better choice, as you could've focused on other projects that would've been more surprising and interesting. The overly long wait just diminishes the hype and the predictable result keeps you from being surprised by the results. You guys worked hard on this I know, but it was really a wasted effort to an obvious conclusion. It was a very detailed and informative...but it was too obvious to see where this was going. It was alright...but ultimately nothing more.
Personally I feel they can make whatever videos they want, it's their time and their channels after all. Knowing which team the forcecast would likely determine to be the victor doesn't diminish the quality of their work for me personally and I'd feel confident saying for many other viewers too.
@@tiredjediknight3110 That would depend on whether someone is involved in understanding or outcome.
@@eldetpacko7401 sorry I'm being a little slow today. Could you clarify what you meant please?
@Shadow Warrior Reti4 - No arguments from me at all. When the others suggested the idea we struggled to find a match up of the best of the best that didn't end in one side stomping the other. These particular characters are kind of in a league of their own that way, with everyone being a significant step below or above them, particularly in a 3vs3 context.
This was the closest combo we could think of, and to be fair it's only really clear if you are coming to it with previous experience with our PlObiTi analyses. The opposite team is definitely the more highly regarded by the average fan I think.
Ultimately, every video is someone's first. And I think the analysis holds up by itself quite well.
We get it Conor. You like flame throwers
Conor wants the flamethrowers to become the new Mundi meme.
@@robgeorge4581 But muh droid attack on the Wookiees ? :(
@@TheDen-ec9xe Bring in the flamethrowers.
Who doesn’t like flame throwers
@@hectorsanchez7581 just bring in the flame thrower if they dont like ki
Worth the wait, you are what all Star Wars TH-camrs should strive to be; well informed and putting their back into every single video.
Thank you, that means a lot.
Just speaking from the heart, it means a lot to me that you continue to make fine Star Wars videos like this. Such a bloody shame the Star Wars EU is discontinued, this video serves to remind me of how much I miss it.
What do you think would have happened if shaak ti, plo koon, ki-adi-mundi, and mace windu went to arrest chancellor palpatine?
Not much difference execpt they would survive longer. Maybe mundi might survive
@@dengfamily841 Nah, Palpatine would've been fucked. He'd have to go all-out in that fight. Arguably Plo Koon might not survive, but Windu and Shaak Ti definitely would. Not sure about Mundi, though.
Yo imagine if the whole Jedi council decided to gang bang Palpatine.
Tom Jon
Mundi would be baldy beaten and most likely not be able to fight again.
Plo might get by through his force abilities, but still get injured.
Shaak and Mace would be fine, and Shaak could probably pin down Palpatine with Plo’s help, while Mace dealt with Anakin.
Same outcome in the same amount of time. All mace needed was Skywalker and sidious would have been defeated and the other Jedi would be alive protecting the temple from the clones. Which would possibly lead to a win on both fronts. The clones destroyed by cin drallig, shaak to, kit fitso, and agen kolar. While mace and Anakin defeat sidious. Anakins innate reflexes and precognition and maces shatterpoint and always having guard up will allow them to survive the initial onslaught
EVAN!!! STOP LEAVING US FOR SO LONG!!!
No but seriously I'm glad you're in a place where you can upload again, missed ya bro
I can never hear redi4
16:07 Maggots only eat necrotic tissue. That would have actually helped Kenobi by keeping his wounds from getting infected.
Thought I doubt it was pleasant either way.
They weren’t maggots in the earth sense. They were muscle maggots, they fed on living muscle tissue. Hope I helped clear that up, even after a year
@@carsongreen8184 That makes sense. Thanks.
@@watchface6836 Very true.
real-world maggots, yes. But Sci-fy and fantasy have a bit more flexibility. Add if they were eating through his innards, how much had he lost already from injuries if they had that much to eat?
I attempted a backflip when i got a notification of that this video was finally out... Im ten mins in and all i can feel is excitement and back pain.
Lol
Same
"You must feel the Force around you".
HAHAHA LOL
*Dooku Voice* I’ve been looking forward to this.
Durin's Bane vs Mithrandir
in a starwars video...
MINDBLOWN!
haha I had to check the title of the video
Quality over quantity and quality takes time. That has you all shown individually, paired up like here and together on fanalysis. Dont be sorry as there is nothing to be sorry on. External factor happens and is more important. I would even argue that what makes you guy even better as you prioritise and take the tactical approach with the most important task first. Leaving this one with more enthusiasm and repulse our mind into submission. I declare how you guys do it contra the sorry the victor. And your humour is on top when meta out of the match like narrative or non narrative fight ^^
OH, COME ON, I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO Reti4 TAKING US ON A JOURNEY IN THE FINAL VERDICT WITH HIS CAPTIVATING, STORY-TELLING VOICE!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH AN EXTRA 20+ MINUTES?!?!
But, in all seriousness, you have absolutely NOTHING to be sorry for. This was worth the wait, and then some. Any personal situations occurring that takes precidence, it must be respected. Thank you so much Evannova95, Jensaarai1 & Reti4 for this epic conclusion. Looking forward to Season 7!
SAAAAAME
Thank You. :)
CHARSA93 for sure I liked his ti vs bane narration
I was just minding my own business and talking to myself. I click my notification and my voice elongated in a moment of mild shock and high excitement. It's finally here. Thank you Evan, Connor and Callan. Thank you guys for completing this. Thank you all for seeing this video through to the end.
At last he has revealed himself to the TH-cam. At last he shall have glorification!
When in doubt, bring in the flamethrowers!
Fortunate son intensifies 😂😂
"Plo strike the final blow" . I see what you did there :)
Better late than never. At least you all put in your best effort into this and made it worth all our while. It's also good to hear the reasons behind all of your delays in terms of creating content. I understand that you guys are in the group where you aren't as active on TH-cam as others and try to put in the best you can do in your videos rather than just putting up videos for the sake of it. It's what I like about you guys; you go at your own pace.
I would first like to say that I love the quotes you've provided in the beginning and scattered throughout the video. The "fortune cookie" pieces of wisdom as Filoni liked to call it when referring to the lines at the start of TCW episodes.
I actually didn't fully realize that due to the massive cranium, Cereans would have chronic back and head illnesses. It was not something that I've thought of. Well done on making note of that.
The TFU footage is very surprising as I've never seen that before. Mostly because I have the Wii version of that game. Still that's impressive. I've never seen or heard of those with lekku do that. Having recently gained better respect for her accomplishments and her character, I'm looking forward to adding her action figure to my collection, both in Jedi robes and her...jungle...outfit. I particularly love how Reti always emphasizes Shaak Ti's feat of decapitating a magnaguard " _with_ _her_ _knee_ ". It's so hilarious. 41:39 "And Shaak Ti is the leaf on the wind that dances around your cut." I can't help but think "I'm a leaf on the wind! Watch how I soar! I'M A LEAF ON THE WIND!"
If you are ever going to do these team match-ups again, I propose the Solo children (Padawan level) vs. either Padawan Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka or ESB Luke, Rey, and Kylo Ren. I'm reading post-ROTJ books and have reached the New Jedi Order series, and I would like to see more match-ups with the Solo children.
Reti4 is like a gentleman. He talks like a gentleman and in a calm way. Does Reti4 does a lot of Star Wars.
Evan, you really love listing off Kenobi's feats of resilience, haha.
Thomas Opdal They forgot the most important one of him surviving his fall during Order 66. I include this in my counter video I uploaded recently.
@@TheNuisanceBird Yeah this one is often forgotten by many people, myself included from time to time.
Tom Cross Normally its not from those distances and he didn’t look like he actively cushioned his fall. And when you’re high up enough landing in water basically becomes like landing on concrete as it can tear you limb from limb.
Tom Cross The ROTS novel makes note of how he wasn’t fully conscious during the blast and how the impact of the water shocked him back to full consciousness. Which makes sense considering he just took a tank blast.
Tom Cross Regardless of whether its in front of him, an explosion of that size can render people unconscious from shockwaves. And it’s the fall that’s more impressive.
They use feats from the novel on the Forcecast all the time. Same with everyone else on KMC or people who just enjoy it.
Kiatikin's Physicality: *Gets the edge*
Plobiti's Force Powers/Skills and Martial and Tactical Prowess: Let us introduce ourselves...
I could listen to you talking about star wars legends lore for hours, your knowledge of the whole universe is crazy
He's an absolute powerhouse of EU lore in my eyes.
Y’all really should post a narrative version of this. Idc if it’s 30 mins long and I know the outcome it’d be epic
good things come in time and this video is awsome. you all put good effort into your videos, thank you.
It's finally here, Thank you Evan, Connor and Callum for finally delivering an amazing versus series finale. Can't wait for Season 7 of versus series! Cheers to you all.
Oh, yeah. My Star Wars itch was just scratched and it feels great.
Excellent Video, Even if i knew what team would win right from last year.
But, I would like to see :
Kyle Katarn Vs Mace Windu
Revan / Exar Kun Vs Bane / Vader
Sidious Vs Krayt
Corran Horn Vs Bastila Shan
Rahm Kota Vs K'Khruck
Anakin Skywalker Vs Plo Koon
Cade Skywalker Vs Kao Cen Darach
Plagueis Vs Zannah
Jack Newton I would love to see this match up 👍🏽
Most of these are very one sided.
Windu >> Katarn
Anakin >> Plo
Cade >>> Darach
Plagueis >>> Zannah
As for Sidious vs Krayt, which versions? ROTS Sidious is fair game for Reborn Krayt, but Dark Empire Palpatine would outclass him.
Revan... once again, which version? Kun would outmatch any version of Bane along with Vader though the latter puts up a good fight.
Kota is superior to K'kruhk though again it'd be a decent match.
No idea where Bastila measures up.
Windu
I don't know the set up. Is it Revan vs Kun and Bane vs Vader, team dynamic, etc? Which version of Revan are we using? Etc.
Krayt in the fight of his life, unless DE Sidious with body that won't deteriorate.
Probably Corran. We have no idea what Bastila can do at the height of her powers.
K'Khruck. That hat is godly.
Anakin (doesn't even need sand to win)
Cade anyday
Plague anyday
Kyle but its very close.
Never considering Revan in a match up ever, but I think Kun would beat Vader or Bane.
Sidious in a close fight.
Corran maybe.
K'Khruck in a close fight.
Anakin.
Kao Cen Darach.
Plagueis.
1: Mace Windu.
2: Bane and Vader.
3: Sidious.
4: Bastila Shan
5: Don't know. Those are two characters I've fallen out of familiarity with.
6: Anakin.
7: Cade.
8: Plagueis.
I absolutely love the set up for this video. So inspiring, I honestly cried the first time. Please do more like this my friends ❤️💖.
Yoooooo, time to lock myself away for an hour and a half
As much as I hate to admit (mostly because Anakin in my favorite character) I have to agree with your analyses.
Now that I’ve finally watched the video, I must say it was rather excellent, despite the obvious outcome (I’ve been watching your guys’ videos for years.) You made sure to show the pros and cons of each side, while also showcasing very well WHY one team is superior to the other in any specific area. And I agree with the verdict wholeheartedly.
I don't agree with the verdict personally but I appreciate the effort that went into this video.
I disagree with your verdict, but I appreciate the time and effort you, Reti4, and Jensaarai1 put into the video. The quality of this video is excellent and I can tell you all worked very hard on this video. Don't worry about the amount of time it took to release the video. I understand that collaborating on a video like this, especially when you all live far from each other, is difficult. Also, taking care of real life issues takes precedence.
In any case, I really enjoyed the video. Versus Series season 6 was great. I am definitely looking forward to Season 7. :)
It's always nice to see the level of positivity and excitement in the comments when a new video is uploaded by the forcecast. We may not always agree on every topic but we all appreciate the time and effort that goes into making these videos.
Yes we do.
Just found your channel from the grand masters ranking video (which was brilliant) but I can’t believe you only have 92k subs. You deserve way more, your videos are long, informative and greatly executed plus you have a great narrating voice. Looking forward to some more great videos even if I do have to wait a month or two.
Thank you. :)
Been a year since announced, and my initial prediction while not as detailed is still correct.
So glad to have this! I love your guys' content, discussions, and work. Please keep it going. It's one of the few things enjoyable about Star Wars now.
For the most part I agree with the verdict, but I felt Kit Fisto was not only underestimated but also the key to winning this fight. His speed is by far the greatest, and I don’t see why he requires water to use his more advanced techniques, considering the orb is just a ball of kinetic energy being launched under water, and the beam is just focused telekinetic energy. It’s really no different than Satele Shan’s hadouken. Additionally, his fast twitch force abilities are extremely precise even when laced in with his furious combos. Just look what he did to Grievous. Given Anakin’s football player mentality, I can see him directing Kit to charge up an orb while he and Mundi rush the others. Anakin breaks off while Kit launches his massive attack, dividing the enemy team. It’s then that Anakin would rush the still shaken Kenobi again forcing him into a purely defensive state, while Mundi holds off Shaak Ti. Kit would swoop in and overwhelm Plo utterly. Given Plo Kuun’s age, I feel that Kit Fisto would be the paper to his rock, considering we’re pitting the fastest fighter against the slowest. I don’t feel that he’d hold up long against Kit’s hurricane under those circumstances. While this is happening, Anakin could then switch off with an Ataru leap and blast Shaak Ti with a colossal force push opening her up to Mundi and Kit’s double team. Obi might be able to save one, but not both, and he’s just not on his game when forced to chase after someone. He’d be so caught up in waiting for Anakin’s next move to exploit, that he’d be thrown off by the chosen one’s momentary switch. From there it’d be a 3 on 1 with team Anakin wearing Kenobi down. This is the problem with excessive focus on defence, they just lack lightning edge and decisive improvising.
Personally I feel team Anakin would do better with Rahm Kota on their side, rather than Mundi, but I suppose Mundi would be to able to utilize his team member’s raw power quite nicely.
totally agree, kit is very undersold in this fight and I believe that his speed, along with Anakins saber skill and tenacity would be the key to kianikit winning the engagement
@@mylesblake2026 Yeah of course you do.
Kit wouldn't overwhelm Plo. But yes, KiAniKit would win.
Fisto wouldn't take Plo, Mundi would though. It doesn't matter cause Anakin solos
Shaak has better speed feats than Kit tbh. And remember that Obi wan is helping plo. They won't split off.
sry but this could be Anakin vs the other 3 and Anakin would still have a 50/50. This because none of them is match for him in any sense except Obi-Wan in dueling. I belive he would kill the other 2 directly and then it would come down to Anakin vs Obi-Wan vs Anakin and that totally depend how Anakin fight because in revenge of the sith Anakin was the better fighter if he was in his right mind and not twisted.
The battle could last 5 seconds, if Obi-Wan gets the high ground its game over.
love the halo music lol. Great video guys
I know, right? I'm trying to find the one that plays at 42:49
Been searching it for years. It has an element of sadness to it. Like something that should be used for when Yoda and Kenobi are in sorrow as they are in hiding.
@@nickthepick8043 It's "Beautiful" from Future World Music.
@@Alarcj7 I owe you the world right now my friend.
Thank you so MUCH
@@nickthepick8043 Well, you're welcome.
@@Alarcj7 Appreciate it.
Seriously, you have no idea how long I've yearned to find it.
A great Finale my friend! You, Reti, GreyJedi, Antoine and Jensaarai will always be one of my top favorite Star Wars channels on youtube! I can't for more Versus Series and Trivia from you guys in 2019!
Some Versus Ideas (for the Future):
The Skywalker Brawl: Cade Skywalker vs Luke Skywalker (Legends) Vs Anakin Skywalker (Episode 3)
Battle of the Beards: Kyle Katarn vs Obi-wan Kenobi
The Sage and The Pragmatist: Yoda vs Darth Traya
The Torgutan and the Cybrog: Shaak Ti vs Lumiya
The Twi'lek Confrontation: Aayla Secura vs Darth Talon
There Can be Only One Sith Ruler: Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt
The Predator and the Sadist: Asajj Ventress vs Sora Bulq
The Wounds and The Exiles: Meetra Surik and Darth Revan vs Darth Nihilus vs Darth Sion
May not be interesting, but these are the ones that I thought would be fun.
Farewell and may the force be with you.
Cade gets dismissed pretty quickly if we're taking all three at their primes. Knightfall Anakin/Vader holds out for a while and easily defeats Cade, but Dark Empire and later versions of Luke will eventually take his father down.
I think ROTS Kenobi's got this one. NJO Battlemaster Katarn has greater versatility as a Force user and is a combatant with a broad tool set, but Obi-Wan has shown he can contend with and beat opponents that have thrown the kitchen sink at him (Durge, Jango Fett, Cad Bane) and his overall showings as a swordsman and Force user place him slightly higher. Still, Kyle puts up a good fight.
Yoda stomps, end of. Traya is nowhere near the level of a Force demigod like Sidious and requires substantial prep time to pull off her major feats. As a schemer and chessmaster, the Lord of Betrayal has the advantage but in a head-to-head duel she's got no chance.
Now this is interesting. I'm leaning Lumiya overall, that whip is just hard to deal with without specialized application of Jar'kai or knowledge of how her weapon works. But Shaak is a better combative Force user, more agile and is not a stranger to out of the box weaponry like electrostaves or (presumably) Maris Brood's guard shotos. In a hand to hand fight Ti is competitive but I favor the Dark Lady between her cybernetics and knowledge of various martial arts.
Secura by the time she reached Master definitely holds her own as a lightsaber duelist, she's quite underrated. That said, Talon's got a wider variety of Force powers and has contended with more dangerous people than Aayla so I say she wins a majority.
This really comes down to which version of Sidious we're talking about. ROTS Sidious versus Reborn Krayt is very tricky and could go either way, but Dark Empire Palpatine would win with moderate effort.
Assuming Legends, Ventress. Bulq is a slightly better swordsman but Asajj's Makashi/Niman hybrid and weaponry gives her more tactical options than a savage Juyo whirlwind like Sora, and she is also a more versatile and balanced Force user that has contended with better opponents and survived. Bulq still poses a decent shot at winning, but I feel like Ventress holds most of the cards here.
Meetra cancels out Nihilus' Force Hunger, and Revan can incapacitate Sion with some effort (if not outright disintegrate him with Force lightning). Together this fight should be over pretty quickly.
You did it! The video was well worth the wait, Evan, one of your best yet. This was a fun fight to see play out
I have never clicked a video so fast in my life.
She beheaded a magnaguard with her knee.
Just gonna throw my two cents in
PloWanTi's victory really hinges on whoever Anakin squares up to, if he takes on Kenobi then his team is thoroughly screwed because I doubt that Fisto or Mundi have any chance in a 1v1 with Ti, I think Fisto can take Plo 6/10 times (AKA barely) and Mundi would probably stalemate Plo maybe with a slight disadvantage, but nobody on Anakin's team but Anakin has a shot against Ti. If Anakin takes on Ti he'll smash her harder than Grievous ever could, and despite the whole Magnaguard feat everyone loves to throw about I refuse to believe that she's even close to Kenobi in terms of durability, she only really outclasses him when it comes to sheer endurance opposed to actually tanking hits. Plo's the weak link for his team because I just can't see him performing nearly as well as the others in a duel, if Anakin targets him he'd require help in order to not get demolished immediately by the inarguably superior Chosen One. Going back to Anakin VS Ti though, I don't see her really having a chance against him and the best she could do is just hold him off for as long as possible, but unlike Kenobi she couldn't hope to wear him out even despite the fact that the fight would drag on for a stupid amount of time. Her only real chance is Kenobi taking Mundi out (which is a definite possibility) or Fisto somehow fucking up his fight with Plo. (something I have a harder time seeing)
If Mundi gets taken out then Fisto'll fall in short order, by then however I wouldn't be surprised if Ti's been reduced to a chopped up mess because Anakin finally caught her. From there I don't see Anakin overpowering Kenobi and Plo together, though he may be able to take Plo out who knows.
The other possibility here is that, like I thought, Fisto takes Plo out and moves on to 2v1 Kenobi with his big-brain buddy. I do however believe that Kenobi would be able to hold off both Fisto and Mundi almost indefinitely though, so the fight definitely wouldn't be settled there.
Rather, it would really come to it's final act when Anakin deals with Ti and then together with his team takes on a lone Kenobi who gets his shit pushed in by all three of them. (That being said however, I wouldn't be surprised if one of his counters slipped through either Fisto or Mundi's guard [Hell, he might even beat them both for all it matters] a worn out Anakin on his own would be able to take an equally worn out Kenobi at this point) and it was a combination of Kit/Mundi and Anakin finally putting Kenobi down.
That's really the best case scenario for KiAniKit, another one that'd end with them winning is an Anakin VS Koon matchup because I feel that Kit could at least hold Kenobi up for some time, as Anakin would put the Kel'dor down faster than he would Ti. However, in this matchup Mundi would be forced to take on Ti who would trash him, and at this point it'd come down to Anakin picking either Kenobi or Ti to focus on.
The only way KiAniKit would walk away alive at this point would be for Anakin to engage Ti and hope Fisto'd survive against Kenobi long enough for him to take her out, something I think Fisto would struggle with but overall succeed, this time around however I wouldn't be surprised if Anakin were to take a few noticeable shots from Ti, I still firmly believe he'd be able to put her down.
Whether Fisto survives Kenobi or not is very important for the last parts of this duel as it'll really determine which team wins, if Kenobi puts Fisto down with a counter without sustaining any wounds I think he'd be able to take Anakin (this is assuming Anakin hasn't flipped the rape switch from Ti poking him a few times) and PloWanTi'd walk away the winners.
However, if Fisto at least manages to put a noticeable hit on Kenobi before going down or is still alive by the time Anakin finishes Ti I think it's out of the question wins.
Now just to beat any repliers to it, if Anakin gets triggered by a combination of Mundi's death and Shaak Ti's refusal to die then it doesn't really matter what condition Kenobi's in, an enraged Skywalker would steamroll him with or without Kit's help. (Also, Kit's death at the hands of Kenobi would help push him over the edge too)
I think the scenario presented at the end of the video's a little flawed because it only takes a scenario where Anakin targets Kenobi into question, and Fisto's death in the summary makes it sound like Anakin sat back and lit up a deathstick as he watched the Nautolan get bisected before moving in to avenge him. I think the fight shown is a perfect representation of what would happen if Anakin were to go after Kenobi as Obi-Wan would inarguably be able to hold out against Anakin as his teamnates cut down most of KiAniKit, I feel that the prerequisites of this scenario are too contrived to make it your go-to example.
I will admit that the Koon VS Fisto fight is very debatable as it could honestly go either way, I think that that doesn't matter in the end because I doubt either would kill the other before someone on either side (Ti or Mundi to be specific) to kick the bucket first, changing who's fighting who at that point.
I think Ti'd take down Fisto but I doubt it'd be quick enough to beat Anakin stomping Koon though, so whoever between Mundi and Fisto is unlucky enough to fight her doesn't matter.
>tl;dr, if Anakin picks anyone other than Kenobi to target first KiAniKit's chances of victory increase exponentially and the example shown in the video is too unlikely/has too many requirements to make it discussion worthy as its very obvious what would happen.
Mb didn't mean to meme arrow at the end of that
Psh, I don't care how quick or skilled she is, the moment Shaak's saber gets hit by Anakin's and she feels his power absolutely dwarf hers, her little skinny ass is gonna fold like a cheap suit.
@@AG-su1bc I wouldn't be so sure, Shaak has blocked a succession of saber strikes from Grievous and he hits like a fucking truck.
@@wristofkings she did but after blocking that brief succession of strikes she was promptly disarmed. Strength to strength she can't match Anakin for an extensive period of time.
A Sarcastic Avatar As noted in my counter video I covered Anakin quickly taking up the Force reserves of Count Dooku which he’d be able to do against Shaak Ti.
Finally!!!!!!!!! I can't put my excitement into words
It has finally come.
GENERAL KENOBI
General Grievous Hello there.
Obi-Wan's strength has been emphasized many times in The Clone Wars. They talk about it (especially Yoda), and it is shown in for example card games, where his strength is higher than Anakin's, and even Grievous' strength. :D Obi is sick
Leon Nestestog Obi-Wan is not stronger than Anakin. I have a section for this in my counter argument video.
Do a battle with some Grey Jedi. I really believe it would be interesting to matches of that caliber.
Love your content. Thanks for all the awesome videos. I really love these and need them to clear my head at times.
Hey, Evan? Any chance of using Cade Skywalker again in the future? I left the same comment on Jensaarai1's video, but I don't think he's the type to use the character.
Seeing Cade go up against Bane or Jaina has been an idea of mine for a few months now.
Cade VS Jaina....Hmmm Interesting match up. What about him against Kyp Durron ?
@@TheDen-ec9xe I kind of like Cade vs Caedus more on a thematic level. The Skywalker's anti hero vs Skywalkers Anti-villain.
@@robgeorge4581 Perfect match-up, considering also how Caedus is a knowledgeable academic besides being extraordinarily powerful and diverse in application, while Cade is raw and untamed, but fearsome.
-Besides, Evan really misrepresented and underestimated Caedus in his VS with Vader-
@@TheDen-ec9xe That's also an interesting aspect to this matchup. Both have a great deal of alt weapon proficiencies but Caedus is more of an academic, Cade is a brawler.
Don't worry, Evan showed he is using Caedus against Windu (who he considers is basically Jaina). I'm sure he will give a more balanced representation on Caedus's abilities there!
Rob George Indeed, Caedus has vibroblades and poisoned darts, while Cade has a double barrelled blaster, though lightsaber and Force abilities would be their bread and butter. Also, Worth noticing that Caedus literally gave Tenel Ka's grandmother a stroke by probing her mind, while Cade has Dark Transfer both cure and offense.
And normies get all wet over Crylo Ren freezing a blaster and and attempting to mind probe someone to no effect........Kinda makes me wish for an April Fool VS lol
And yeah, I noticed that teaser on Evan's beard update video. Can't wait to see if he changed his analysis for the better.
I've watched this a few times now. This is a great collaboration! I love these guys!
I believe Plo/Obi/Shaak would overcome Ki/Anakin/Kit 8/10 times. I also believe Shaak Ti could take out all of the other combatants in a 1v1.
Shaak Ti is definitely more powerful than Kit Fisto and Ki Adi Mundi. Anakin is more tricky. During the fall of the Jedi temple in canon Anakin only asks the temple guard where Shaak Ti is before beginning the attack on the temple. When he did kill Shaak Ti it was in a surprise attack while she was meditating. Anakin chose to not go head to head wanting to play it safe. Judging by Anakin's extreme arrogance and mindset during operation nightfall the fact he was deliberating Shaak Ti's presence as a threat ultimately deciding to kill her much like Sora Bulq killed Oppo Rancisis preferring not to go head to head is very telling of Shaak Ti's reputation and how powerful Anakin knew her to be, this doesn't mean she is more powerful than Anakin at that point but it does say something about her overall power and skill which was even recognized by Anakin in that deranged state. In legends continuity Shaak Ti and Anakin meet and the fight must have been something of an impasse because after Shaak Ti attempted to fight back the clone forces and even had time to help some Jedi escape. If she was overpowered by Anakin she would have been killed like the other Jedi or even like Count Dooku was and wouldn't have had the ability or time to do anything but flee right after knowing it was a lost cause right then. Even if Anakin's power would be to much for Shaak Ti on her own Plo Koon and Obi Wan would be able to tip the fight in the advantage of the Shaak Ti, Plo Koon, and Obi Wan Kenobi team.
No way I agree that Shaak Ti solos.
I do believe Plobiti takes this, but it won't be easy.
@@vincentescolano Mundi did better on Hypori. And Kit is faster than here, as well as being a superior duelist. Anakin would stomp her in a duel though. There is no source that details their fight. I highly suggest that you watch the counter made by TheNuisanceBird.
@@Alarcj7 I disagree. Each member of the KIANIKIT team is better than their PLOBITIT opponent.
Anakin > Obi Wan
Ki Adi Mundi > Plo Koon
Kit Fisto > Shaak Ti
lol. Anakin solos.
Come home from a long day a work and nothing beats a nice 1 hour long Star Wars Versus video from EvanNova95 in my recommended.
my sudgestion is ki adi mundi vs darth Maul this would be interesting given ki adi mundi didnt believe in the sith lords return
and was first to question the fact during a concil meating
Your channel deserves more love
You should do:Adi gallia & Ayala secura & Ahsoka tano vs. Alumanara underlie & Stass ali & Shakk tii
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LumAliTi stomps. As much as I like Aayla Secura and Snips, they have nothing on Shaak.
I think Ahsoka would fight Allie probably beating Allie and help aayla and ADI Gallia against Luminara and Shaak Ti, Shaak Ti would defeat Ahsoka pretty Quickly and Aayla would fall eventually, Luminara would probably be tired and get knocked out of the fight and then Shaak Ti would kill Adi Gallia Swiftly
I v want to see this but shaak could prob face the other team without luminara and stass ali
Do we even have ANYTHING on Stass Allie ?
FINALLY! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SO LONG AND ITS FINALLY HERE!
Am I the only one who thinks Anakin is the only one on the level of his opponents?
Nope. Totally agree. Which is a big contributor to the downfall of his team here.
Anakin is factually above them. This will be further explained in my counter video.
@@TheNuisanceBird Have to agree, the Fanalysis team (with the exception of Antoine) habitually lowball Anakin. He is for a fact superior to Ti and Plo and his loss to Kenobi on Mustafar was heavily circumstantial.
@@wristofkings In my video I'm currently working on I'm going to have entire section regarding Anakin's powerlevel.
I finished the video along taking notes of it and I'm currently working on the script.
@@dianabarnett6886 agreed. I mean, you could skew the fight to allow them to win (have Anakin separate and overpower Plo), but it's less likely for him to have enough humility to realize that they'll lose if he doesn't do that
This was well worth the wait. Thanks, guys. I do hope to see Jensaarai cover Ki Adi Mundi again sometime. Can't wait to see more.
Hope you consider these suggestions: Galen Marek vs. Jaden Korr, Darth Nihl vs. Darth Maul(Legends), Aurra Sing(Legends) vs. Ventress(Canon), or Shaak Ti vs. Mara Jade
Marek takes Korr after a decent fight, similar skillsets but Galen applies his at a higher level. Still his Force defenses are weak enough to give Korr a chance.
Maul blitzes unless Nihl can leverage his superior Force powers. Still favor Maul for the win mostly due to Nihl's limitations as a duelist.
Ventress stomps. Sing is good but simply outclassed against someone who competes with Council Master-level opponents regularly.
Good fight. Mara Jade has superior Force power and an overall bigger bag of tricks than Ti so I'd favor her in the end.
@@wristofkings I agree with basically everything youve said here
At long last, it's here. No need to excuse irl problems, dude.
-inb4 Still waiting for more NJO characters or more obscure Clone Wars Era/Legacy Era Jedi to be featured in Season 7 tho-
I'd like to see Sha Koon in a versus video.
@@youngsmitty347 Ohhhh good catch ! She would be very interesting with her Beast Control and precognition.
@RadioactiveHaggis Kyp, Zekk, Anakin Solo, Jacen Pre-Caedus, Cilghal, Saba Sebatyne, Ganner Rhysode, Tahiri, the Horn kids (as Evan has already covered Corran), Lowbacca, Finn Galfridian (not the black stereotype from Disney crap), FREAKING LEIA !!!!!!!
From the Clone Wars and slightly before, Sian Jeisel, Micah Giiett (Teras Kasi and double wielding shoto FTW), Yarael Poof (although he would be kinda Tricky), T'ra Saa, Zule Xiss, Yaddle, Adi Gallia, Even Piell, Tyvokka (another difficult case with little to draw on for an analysis), the long requested Ferus Olin, Drake Lo'gaan, Codi Ty (basically a genderbent Ahsoka), Roron Corobb.......The list would go on and on if we include the Legacy characters as well (Imperial Knights, Sith, Jedi alike)
I'd love a Antinnis Tremayne VS Jerec match as well
@@TheDen-ec9xe the lack of images kind of kills it
@@TrajGreekFire Ack.....True, we have only like what ? A few headshot sketches for the Horn kids ?
If only there were at least more fanarts.
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General kenobi! You are an old one!
Ur my fav character Kenobi.
This was excellent (I'm late lol) I love how feats, weakness, and situations weren't ignored.
If KiAniKit want to win, they have to spread the opponents out and catch Plo on a mismatch
I'm not sure on that. I'm currently making a counter video.
Really depends on who Anakin fights. If it's anyone other than Obi Wan the fight would become a 3v2. Ki and Kit are good enough to hold their ground long enough for Anakin to defeat either Shaak or Plo
@@TheNuisanceBird is your video going to take a year too?
J No. I’m working on the script right now and am halfway done.
@@TheNuisanceBird Are you done? I'm gonna show the Jedi scum who's boss
You're the best! Please keep making great videos! You're my favorite versus channel!
"Anakin in his best is the most powerful combatant in the SW setting"
*cough* Yoda, Mace, Sidious
Bruh. Anakin seen in CW and RoTS never reached his potential. Falling to the dark side alone put him above almost all the other Jedi in the order, and his potential would allow him to casually defeat the likes of Yoda and Sidious with no effort if he ever fully realized it.
Worth the wait, ne need to be sorry. Great to see you working together!
While I appreciate the considerable amount of work put in, I cannot help but recall that Team 1 is heavily favoured by you three in both versus matchups and Forcecasts/Fanalysis (many times unfairly imo). In contrast, both Anakin and Kit are lowballed considerably, especially in the case of the latter (losing almost all matchups, especially to featless Oppo Rancisis is beyond presumptious to me).
I agree with Greysentinel365 in saying that Shaak is way out of her league in sabers, and shouldn't last against swordsmen almost a tier ahead of her. For reasons I will not repeat, having already stated them in the teaser video, I believe Kit's unsuitability in a 1v1 duel is always overstated by you all, especially when the Ventress duel is brought up. Even if Form 1 disadvantages are brought to the fore (which should not be the case since this is a group fight), none of the combatants in Team 1 possess the offensive skill to cripple him significantly, with Plo probably coming closest. Should Anakin be unhindered, which would likely be the case, I don't see anyone bar Kenobi standing up to his offensive dervish for a protracted period, and even he would not be able to beat his former apprentice in an unhindered duel in my eyes. Furthermore, group fights have almost innumerable combinations and set pieces (pardon the sports reference) in play, making it almost impossible to gauge tactical and technical plans and adaptations (especially the latter) during the fight, leaving the result very ambiguous and far beyond an assured conclusion. I'm stealing that last bit from ShootingNova in the forums but I really feel I really have to bring that up.
All that being said, it must have been really taxing compiling and researching all that content, and credit to all three of you for that. In particular, Mundi's style being compared with Qui-Gon was most interesting, and something I am currently inclined to agree with. While I frequently disagree with the three of your analyses in many of your videos, not least this one, matchups are often a matter of opinion and it would be a much better world if everyone respected each other's viewpoints and engaged in discourse civilly. Thanks again for this matchup and hope to see more versus videos soon.
Isaac Tham Feel free to check out my counter video on my channel.
ITS FINALLY UPON US
Anakin > Obi-Wan >>>>>>>>> Fisto >>> Plo > Ki Adi >>>> Ti
Likely Anakin team wins as he’s the most powerful here by a fair margin. Ti gets fodderized. She’s borderline irrelevant here.
Did you guys seriously put Ti at the bottom? Hah.
Anakin > Ti/Obi >> Plo > Fisto > Ki-Adi
Facts. :) - (Honestly, why downplay Ti? I understand some have justification for assuming Evan inflates Ti's capabilities, like saying she would beat Bane if not for his force powers, but she'd still be a serious threat regardless of whether or not you like his opinion.)
Kenobi is generally a higher tear duelist than anakin but anakin can be placed slightly higher in this match so
Anakin>Obi>>Plo/kit>ti/mundi
Imo
@RadioactiveHaggis yeah anakin is above kenobi as a duelist by a small bit thats why i placed him higher. I didnt mean just this duel but in duels. Kenobi is a better general and tactian so i think it makes him a stronger oppenent over all but not in duels. Its kind of hard to explain but Evan and them did a podcast about sideous and they explain why they(and i) put Kenobi teir 2 and ani in 3
@RadioactiveHaggis and i agree with a lot of your assesment of the video but still think the kenobi team wins but plo dies.(still watching but im guessing by comments it comes to a 3v1)
@RadioactiveHaggis Shaak Ti being bellow Cin is pretty downplay considering she was the one put in charge of the temple's defenses, and when she was assumed dead, Drallig took the reigns,
Galen was not winning the fight against Ti until the very end where she leaped into his blade for what was implied to be an intentional double suicide. And going into the later sections of the novel, it is further supported that Shaak wanted it to end that way, but failed.
Kenobi held RoTS era Ti at a higher level than himself in any case, and believed that she, Anakin and Mace would all be more than capable of destroying the lord of the Sith (knowing him full well to at least be superior to Dooku).
Also, Galen's ONLY noted boost after reaching his Prime was the physical enhancements he got, and he also defeated Vader after what was described to be a fairly even contest, so for Ti to have held a strong advantage over Galen in the first place speaks volumes. I suggest rereading both versions of the fight if you honestly suggest Galen to have handily won.
Kenobi was also able to repel Durge's fire with tutaminis...
I think that feat deserves some praise. Flamethrowers are one of several weapons that could be useful against Jedi. The flames can’t be blocked with a lightsaber and while some Jedi like Kenobi can repel it with Tutaminis, it would take considerable effort
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Libertas in Veritate Same. I have a counter video on my channel.
This was a good way to spend my downtime before tonight's class. Thank you for confirming the pecking order of power in the force, i.e.. 1) Anakin 2) Luke. As a self-described Historian of the Lore, I approve this message. Good Job.
Lmao, man, I’m so tired of all you versus dudes always undercutting and underestimating Anakin. Not necessarily underestimating his power/strength, but his tactical skill and his mindset. This would not BE the Anakin from Mustafar, he only “lost” on Mustafar because of his own mistake at the very end after completely dominating Obi-Wan the entire time. Lucas literally said himself it was a complete fluke that Obi-Wan “won” , what don’t you understand about this? It was NOT because of Obi-Wan’s “impenetrable defense” , Anakin broke right through his guard multiple times. He could’ve killed him more than once. But chose not to, making the same mistake of almost every other newly anointed Sith Lord drunk with power, the same mistake maul made against him…. But like I said, this wouldn’t BE Mustafar Anakin, as in out of his head Anakin. This would be the Anakin that slaughtered Dooku. Anakin with a clear head is literally unstoppable. He’s defeated Obi-Wan AND Kit at the same time before. He’d overtake Obi-Wan any other day of the week BUT the day of the Mustafar battle. This isn’t arguable it’s fact. Established lore. Anakin’s team would win solely because of him being too much to handle for any of them. Period. You all always love to talk about him being “lightsaber oriented to a fault” which in itself couldn’t BE more false. But even so, even IF that were true, it still wouldn’t matter lmao. Anakin/Vader’s assumed to be thee greatest swordmaster in Star Wars so that really wouldn’t matter. If it’s the best tool in his kit, why tf would he NOT heavily rely on it??? Like I said, he’s so much greater than what any of you like to portray……. And you also undercut Plo Koon sometimes too. I’ve seen that before as well. He’s a lot higher tier than you say, he’s on the same level as Mace and Obi-Wan. Not quite Anakin or Yoda, but not far under them either. Oh, and btw Obi-Wan did NOT overpower or break Anakin in ROTS. He threw everything he had into that force push and Anakin stuck his hand up and deflected it, basically having to stop/catch his momentum first then drive it back at him, which is exactly what happened. Anakin’s the one who broke Kenobi’s barrier there bud. And one more thing, Anakin’s skill set is FAR from lacking. Lmao, are you serious, go look at the list of force powers on wookiepedia. Literally the majority of them either say Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader “was a master of this ability” , like a shit ton of them. He knew what he was doing, he just emphasizes his greatest strengths FIRST. His swordsmanship and his immense depth of strength in the force. Heavy telekinetic blasts and dominating lightsaber combat. It doesn’t MEAN he didn’t know anything else.
Anakin as a tier 9 was a complete equal of Kenobi when kenobi didn’t even fight to kill. When Kenobi gathered the mental strength to strike him down he easily baited him to mess up Anakins timing and cut him to pieces.
Kenobi disarmed Anakin but hesitated to strike him down, as pointed out by Anakin himself in the novelisation.
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Lmao, nice try bud……. No, he was not. Obi-Wan was not a “tier 9” he was an 8. He was saying Anakin was on Yoda and Sidious’ level. They were also stated as 9’s by Gillard…. And not to mention it doesn’t matter one bit what the stunt coordinator of the movie’s opinion is. Because that’s all it is, HIS opinion.. Lucas himself said clear as day it was a blatant fluke; that Vader should’ve would’ve & could’ve smoked Obi-Wan on Mustafar…. Said he would’ve beaten Sidious right afterward had he just taken his time and dispatched Kenobi. Where do you think the video game adaption GETS all of this from??? He was originally supposed to kill Windu. Not Palpatine. Play the game. It’s based of Lucas’ unedited original screenplay. This literally isn’t debatable. At all. Stop trying. What the man who WROTE IT tells us trumps YOUR irrelevant opinion. Period... Vader dominated Kenobi the entire fight. WATCH the damn film. He fucked up at the very end and made the same mistake that almost EVERY newly anointed Sith Lord makes. Like this really isn’t that hard to understand.. Oh, and yes, Kenobi was most definitely fighting to kill, that is the entire reason Palpatine told Vader he was beaten in the end. Once again, nice try.
@@dazdavis7896 You miss crucial knowledge. Light side anakin is an 8. Only when he gives into his anger he goes to a 9.
Nick Gillard, Dueling Jedi press article wrote:
“Obi-Wan is at a level 8, which is where Anakin starts. But Anakin jumps to level 9 - and the difference between 8 and 9 is enormous.”
It’s All For Real: The Stunts of Episode III Featurette Part 2 wrote:
“Hayden in this film has moved up to level 9, he’s gone past Obi.”
That is dark side anakin. He trashed kenobi at the start of the fight in the novel until kenobi let go and effectively equalled him. After letting go of his attachment for ani he defeated him.
It doesn’t matter what Lucas said as kenobi and Anakin have been described as perfect equals on MF hundreds of times. Your Anakin wank won’t save you.
The fight even has been designed that way. And kenobi massivly held back as he didn’t aim to kill until the last second.
Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #11 wrote:
At the end of the Clone Wars, Anakin, manipulated by the Sith, turned away from the Jedi and gave in to the dark side of the Force. In a final blow for the heroic Jedi Master, Obi-Wan had to fight Anakin - his own Padawan - in a bitter lightsaber duel neither could win.
Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #52 wrote:
In this battle, Master and Padawan fight fiercely, with astonishing, almost evenly matched skills, knowing very well that the outcome of their combat would forever mark the fate of the galaxy.
Years of fighting side-by-side left these warriors evenly matched, and their exhausting duel crossed the fiery landscape of a Mustafar refinery.
The novel also makes it abundantly clear that as Jedi, Anakin and Kenobi are in constant competition:
Whether Obi-Wan's legendary cleverness might beat Anakin's raw power, straight up, no rules, is the subject of schoolyard fistfights, creche-pool wriggle-matches, and pod-chamber stinkwars across the Republic. These struggles always end, somehow, with the combatants on both sides admitting that it doesn't matter.
Anakin and Obi-Wan would never fight each other.
Anakin also never learned the mental side of being a 9, thus he wasn’t hindered, he was in character:
"Obi-Wan is at a level 8, which is where Anakin starts. But Anakin jumps to level 9 -- and the difference between 8 and 9 is enormous. A Jedi can get to level 9, but that's the difference between light and dark. The duel actually gives you quite an idea about these characters, because Anakin has learned the fighting, he's enormously talented -- but he hasn't learned the mental side of it."
Obi wan manages to equal Anakin due to letting go of his failures and later on his attachment of anakin. Before that he got trashed, after he let go he could stalemate and win.
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Haven’t laughed at somebody that hard in a while, Thanks for that…. What did you NOT understand that Nick Gillard’s opinion is literally as irrelevant as yours???? George Lucas-the one who fucking WROTE IT-said himself clear as can be that it was a blatant FLUKE.. Obi-Wan NEVER should’ve beaten him. Period end of debate stop trying….. Not to mention you literally don’t even understand what Gillard was saying to begin with. Lmfao, he’s talking about from the last time we saw him. He’s NOT SAYING he jumps from an 8 to a 9 after he becomes Vader you literally just made that shit up. Stop. If that was the case how tf did he smoke Dooku, another “9” right before all that. Which he got closer and closer to doing throughout the war every time they met. Gillard is saying he made the jump to a 9 BEFORE THE MOVIE. As in from the last time we saw him, he’s now at a 9. Go and actually WATCH the ROTS commentary again bud. He even says as much.
YOUR irrelevant opinion does NOT Trump direct fact from George fucking Lucas bud. Stop trying. You are wrong. I am right. Literally NOTHING you try to say can change that. Know and understand that…. I cannot stand narcissistic little know-it-alls like you. YOU do NOT know better than George Lucas himself. Lmfao it quite literally cannot GET more narcissistic than that. That’s flat out embarrassing dude.
@@dazdavis7896 You have no arguments. I accept your concession.
Lucas created the fight together with gillard. Gillard has more knowlage because he executed lucas vision. Also give me the direct quote where lucas said it was a fluke?
It does not matter anyway since 99% of the material tells us that kenobi was equal to anakin in a raw skill.
You brought up trhe tiring system, I debunked your argument. Now you scream that you don´t care about lucas.
Obi Wan not wanting to kill ani:
"But that’s not really true, Obi-Wan thought as he ducked and wove and parried. Both he and Anakin felt the anguish of their need to kill the other. But Anakin had turned to the dark side, and despair and pain strengthened the dark side. It gave him an advantage Obi-Wan could not match. Unless he let go of his own despair and let the living Force move him - the Force that bound all living things together, even Obi-Wan and this new, deadly, evil Anakin.
(...)
Obi-Wan couldn’t do it."
Ani grew stronger during the duel as he was feeding of kenobis pain:
"The words stabbed at Obi-Wan, even though he knew that Anakin was speaking out of his own pain. He felt the dark side grow stronger, feeding on his despair. And then, as Anakin came close enough to swing his lightsaber once more, the Jedi in Obi-Wan rose up and at last he did the thing he hadn’t thought he could do."
"But that’s not really true, Obi-Wan thought as he ducked and wove and parried. Both he and Anakin felt the anguish of their need to kill the other. But Anakin had turned to the dark side, and despair and pain strengthened the dark side. It gave him an advantage Obi-Wan could not match."
Obi Wan defeats ani when he lets go of his attachment:
“From the Jedi point of view!” Anakin retorted. “From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.”
The words stabbed at Obi-Wan, even though he knew that Anakin was speaking out of his own pain. He felt the dark side grow stronger, feeding on his despair. And then, as Anakin came close enough to swing his lightsaber once more, the Jedi in Obi-Wan rose up and at last he did the thing he hadn’t thought he could do.
He let go. Calm, centered, free - for the moment - of sorrow and despair, resting in the living Force as he had been trained to do, Obi-Wan Kenobi looked at his former friend and student, and did the unexpected. He made a soaring leap into the air and landed on the high bank of the lava river.
“It’s over, Anakin,” he said, looking down. “I have the high ground. Don’t try it.”
“You underestimate the power of the dark side!” Anakin shot back, and with the last word, he jumped.
And Obi-Wan’s lightsaber moved, slicing through Anakin’s knees and then coming up to take his remaining hand. Anakin’s lightsaber fell at Obi-Wan’s feet. What was left of Anakin fell on the burning black sand almost at the edge of the lava.”
Obi Wan is not emotional, while Anakin is, kenobi as his teacher knows anakins weaknesses:
"The duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him. But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made. And if you know the characters, you know Obi-Wan isn't going to get emotional and he doesn't make mistakes." -Gillard
Aanakin is a 9 because of the dark side, as a normal jedi is is an 8 along side kenobi:
"Hayden in this film has moved up, to um, a level nine. He's gone past Obi -- and the difference between a level eight and a level nine really is the dark side. You have to go through each level, in order to attain the next level. If you do it too quick, you're gonna get in trouble; so that's how I work on his, y'know, his downfall is gonna be aggression."
Kenobi beat Anakin because he is more controlled and anakin is too agressive, kenobi is more expericanced:
"and his downfall is gonna be aggression. Obi is also aggressive, but Obi has gone through all the levels, taken the time, learned everything he needs to learn. That's gonna give him an edge. Y'know, Hayden, ah, Anakin is gonna be more powerful, but Obi's gonna be more controlled."
Evidance of obi not wanting to harm Anakin:
"And for Obi, even though he’s been sent there to kill him, he doesn’t want to do that. This is his boy; he loves him. I saw Obi just trying to absorb it long enough for Anakin to calm down.” Gillard
Obi and Ani match each other perfectly, however Obi does not want to kill:
"You know, they'd matched each other's moves toe-to-toe. The edge is that Obi-Wan doesn't really want to kill Anakin. So I treated that fight like um, fighting with your girlfriend -- that, you can't hit her, but you, you're gonna have to suffer the onslaught for as long as it comes. So that's how I kind of got around it. And then um, in the end, Anakin does make some mistakes. He gets too angry, and makes a mistake, and Obi doesn't make mistakes."
"I think that’s why [the actors] enjoy it the most, because it does give them something to do. It is very similar to dialogue and once they understand - in particular the big fight at the end with Ewan and Hayden - one has taught the other. I wrote that like a husband and wife fight. She’s attacking him, and he doesn’t really want to hurt her. He’s just got to absorb it for as long as he can. They both understood that."
Ani lost because he made a mistake, Kenobi baited him into a parry:
"So that's how I kind of got around it. And then um, in the end, Anakin does make some mistakes. He gets too angry, and makes a mistake, and Obi doesn't make mistakes."
Anakin can´t control his emotions:
“Obi Wan comes out with a better hand, however I think that is a result or a derivative of Anakins emotions and not being able to focus them and control then which is the root of Anakins inabilities.”
Kenobi exploits his knowlage of Anakin and baits him, Anakin is too slow:
“Anakin snarled a curse as he realized he’d been suckered, and leapt off his droid at Obi-Wan’s back- Half a second too slow. Obi-Wan’s whirl to parry didn’t meet Anakin’s blade. It met his knee. Then his other knee. And while Anakin was still in the air, burned-off lower legs only starting their topple down the cliff, Obi-Wan’s recovery to guard brought his blade through Anakin’s left arm above the elbow."
I feel like this is how it would go, although I’m not certain about some Jedi:Plo Koon and Kit Fisto would duel, and Plo Koon would gain the upper hand, since he is stronger with the force and Fistos fighting style isn’t good for 1v1s.Obi Wan and Anakin would face off, about evenly matched since Anakin would not have his Dark Side powers.I don’t know much about Ki Adi and Shaak Ti, but I feel like Ki Adi’s age would result in his downfall to Shaak Ti.Obi Wan and Anakin would still be fighting ,and Plo Koon and Shaak Ti would jump in and and best Anakin.Even if Ki Adi Mundi defeated Shaak Ti, he would have to face Plo Koon, and would lose quick since he would be tired.Then Plo would aid Obi Wan and they’d best Anakin.I’m not entirely sure,so any feedback would help
This video was amazing since you were able to have a team of 3 rather than 2 making it more interesting in how they operate and the verdic relly on the team working together and how their skills combine and it was amazing to see 3 of my favourite star wars youtubers work on one project and although I dont expect there to be another collaberation like this if you guys did do another one again then it would be the best vs video of all time.
IT'S HERE AT LAST!
I only noticed it in the suggestions there a few seconds ago!
THIS is gonna be good!
Worth the wait, I say. Well done to all involved parties!
This was great! I agree with the outcome and mostly with the analysis part, again thank you for doing this Videos, Im always looking forward to them and it always pays off.
p.s.: This Teaser at the end thou! Now you hyped me again!
Evan this was well worth the wait. I knew you and the others would deliever. It shows your commitment. I look forward to season 7 my friend. May the force be with you
I would love to see you use luminara unduli, adi gallia, and kerra holt sometime. Also I suggest Aayla secura vs bultar swan as a future vs match. Oh and great video definitely worth the wait!
Bultar Swan would be the victor.
anyone who thinks kit fisto, ki adi mundi and anakin dont comfortably win doesnt know star wars
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*looks at subs list and see’s a new VS series episode from EvanNova*
Me: it’s been too long old friend 😭
Let the battle commence!
Many, many thanks for this great colaboration; it's no wonder it took you so long to make all this.
And i agree with the result. Ultimately brain wins over muscle.
I like to imagine this as some sort of contest between the two groups in the Jedi-Temple. Both walking through the hallways to the arena, discussing while walking. Plo, Obi & Shaak would start the engagement in a tight formation, sticking to each other and using their own styles to compensate for the other's weaknesses. While Ki, Anakin & Kit would lunge at them, striking against 1 target with 2 of them and trying to drive the other team appart. Eventually, Obi's Team would split, though by decision rather than enforcement, having made enough use of working as a team. From here on out, it would result pretty much in how the verdict was presented with Anakin eventually having to face three Jedi Master who, while beaing beat blue and green, would eventually force him to submit through combined effort. I'd see him taking down Shaak Ti just before finally collapsing himself, but he would without doubt lose.
Shirou Tokisada Amakusa Kotomine I disagree. They’re tactics wouldn’t do much against Anakin’s power. I cover this on my counter video on my channel.
Yeah, seen it. Sorry, but i much rather go with this one.
Shirou Tokisada Amakusa Kotomine Why exactly? I’m genuinely wondering.
To put it simply; some of your statements seem (at least to me) be driven by favorism by charcter, rather than logic (or as far as you can apply logic to fiction). Now don't get me wrong or what i say.
That you favor Anakin is not your fault. He is your favorite, there's a reason for that, it's nothing bad per se. However, even if you try to avoid favoring him and only rely on logic, you will end up favoring him, when facts no longer underline your statements and you have to chose, you will favor Anakin. It's only natural really.
I know this from personal experience. There was a Erza (Fairy Tail) vs Archer (Fate Stay Night) Versus Battle. Erza won. And i immediately made a damm essay worth of reasons why Archer was better. Then i had a arguement with a Erza-Cultist. I say Cultist because this guy defied logic itself. We argued for about one whole month why one or the other would win, some people joined in, it startet to escalte, and i left the discussion. After three months i made a reevalution. My result was still that Archer won. But a friend of mine who didn't know either made a pretty big observation. Eventhough i was going by facts, i ultimately made more positive choises for Archer. Thats when i realised that when making such a Versus-Battle, it would be best to have people fight each other that are equal, not just in strenght, but in how much you like them.
@@SuperAmaton I'm not sure I follow. Me conveying statements from Gillard, Lucas, or even the ROTS novel that has the entire council including Mace and Yoda agree that Anakin being the most likely to defeat Sidious isn't really bias. Sure he's still one of my favorite characters but that's not speculation of any sort.
It's the difference between me providing statements about Anakin and showing feats to back them up as opposed to Reti saying Shaak Ti is near Yoda's level of skill with acrobatics but not providing any examples. Same with him saying that Plo Koon is near Dooku's level of telekinesis.
Narrator “if it came down to a bout of fisticuffs it’s not hard to imagine how it will end”
Obi Wan “I didn’t hear no bell”
😂
Well done everyone. This was a well done versus match. Well worth the wait. On a side note: Bring out the flamethrowers!
From most to least viable:
6) Kit Fisto, did worse against Ventress than Mundi or Koon who also has better force feats in combat and Ti would have a style advantage. His sytle is also not optimal for teamwork, just lashing out randomly everywhere
5) Plo-Koon, low durability and mask and maybe the worst dexterity make him the weak link of his team
4) Shaak-Ti, more sustainable than Koon, just as tactical in fights, probably has significant style advantages against muni or Fisto
3) Ki-Adi-Mundi,fought better against Ventress than Fisto or Koon and is the smartest of his team, the only one who could be the brains while the other team can all do it, did better against Grievous than Ti, might lose to Ti due to style, but would be more useful
2) Obi-Wan Kenobi, best defense, second best telekinesis, maybe best tactics
1) Anakin Skywalker, the best offense and power
Mundi would know that Kenobi is the only one that can stop Anakin, but that his offense is not as good. He would also know that he probably should not fight Ti. So Mundi would stall Kenobi and Anakin, with help from Fisto, would clean up, with Koon probably being the first to go, he is less dexterous and Anakin is better at his style. If the other team gets lucky then Fisto or Mundi lose almost immediately through chance or Mundi gets matched up against Ti and is somehow unable to change, but because Anakin is so strong his team may still win.
KiAniKit 80-85% of the time
I agree with all of this. I'd just but Plo and Fisto above Ti.
YES!! Months and Months of waiting...WE FINALLY GOT IT!!
Great video, worth the wait. I mean, it was pretty obvious to most fans of the verses community, I'm sure, which team was going to win. But you guys did a good job of making it more two sided than I had expected. Just a few suggested combinations. Darth's Malak and Revan (taken up to the point of Malak's betrayal) vs RotS Obi-Wan and Anakin, Malak vs Dooku, Jaina Solo Fel vs Darth Vader, Jaina Solo Fel vs Mara Jade Skywalker, Mara Jade Skywalker vs Darth Vader, Malak vs Traya, Mara Jade Skywalker vs Kyle Katarn, Darth Tyranus vs Shaak Ti, Jaina Solo Fel vs Mace Windu (can you tell which characters I want to see more of?) I dunno, hopefully one or more of those combos will appeal to someone on the council.
Malak/Revan and Kenobi/Skywalker depends on who pairs off against who. If Kenobi takes Malak and Anakin goes against Revan, I'd say the ROTS duo wins for a certainty. If it goes the other way... the Jedi can still win but Revan will be knocking Kenobi around with the Force for most of the fight until Anakin takes out Malak. It would depend on who kills who first.
I've said my piece about this matchup. Summary: Dooku.
Hm... Jaina can definitely hang against Vader and if we give her the Force lightning feat Vader's gonna have one helluva time. Vader does have the armor, the advantage of cybernetic strength and stamina along with better TK feats but Jaina has the speed and agility and they are close enough on skill that it's a wash. Favoring Jaina slightly but this is a pretty good match.
Jaina should be able to challenge Mara purely on raw skill and Force power alone, but Mara is a helluva trickster, closely matched physically and has more experience especially with other NJO Jedi. Another close call.
Vader can handle Mara but it's another tough fight for him. His armor and cybernetics make most of her alternative weapons pointless but she has Force lightning, is very slippery and is capable enough to go blade to blade despite Vader's considerable hitting power. In a cagematch, Vader. Open terrain, probably Mara.
In a battle of wits, Traya all day. Malak would overwhelm Traya in a straight-up saber duel as she is fucking ancient and he's in his prime, also trakata is really ill-advised against a Makashi/Juyo user. They are comparable in Force power with Traya having the edge in knowledge base. Another decent fight, I'd give a substantial edge to Malak though.
Katarn vs Mara Jade is similar to the Mara vs Vader fight but with each knowing the others' tricks inside and out. This is pretty close to a draw, far as I see it.
*Dooku. Annihilates. Ti.* This is not hard to understand. She may contend for a little while but any duel on even ground either ends in her death or escape. More than likely the first option.
We'll likely see Jaina vs Mace from the Forcecast guys sooner than later. It's a close fight but IMO Windu's superior experience and greater feats ultimately tip the contest in his favor.
Yh its obvious. Anakin solos.
Fantastic! A great effort from you guys! Can't wait to see Malgus in season 7!
*Welcome back. Glad things are somewhat better.*
i cant belive my eyes is this it the time we have all been waiting for
allright lets take soda and popcorn
It’s been too long man but I’m glad to see you back.
Shaak Ti feats: the only jedi to die before, during and after order 66
I’m a big Shaak Ti fan but boy did this make me laugh
Love the battle vids can't wait for more and other vids as well
Your videos are so awesome I hope y’all can do more like this I love them
I love the concept of the fight and would love to see another 3v3 from other era Jedi/Sith (New Jedi order, old republic, etc..) keep up the great work!
Vodo Siosk Baas, Sylvar and Nomi Sunrider
Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma and Aleema Keto
Lucien Dray, Bastila Shan and Zhar Lestin
Darth Traya, Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus
Satele Shan, Orgus Din and Ven Zallow/Kao Cen Darach
Vitiate, Scourge and Darth Marr
NJO has a lot of them
Cade Skywalker, Wolf Sazen and K'Krukh
Antares Draco, Ganner Krieg and Tries Sinde
Darth Krayt, Darth Wyrrlock (III) and Darth Nihl