Versus Series: Kyp Durron VS Darth Plagueis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- In today's matchup we pit two of the biggest powerhouses in the Jedi and Sith Orders against each other with Kyp Durron the Renegade VS Darth Plagueis the Wise!
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UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!.........No, seriously.
EvanNova95 you should do another versus battle with Cade Skywalker
you crafty sob.....i was just saying to my self when the last time you made a video was.......ty sir!
I knew kyp durron was next! I’m also seeing a pattern of matchups njo vs sith if this is indeed your pattern I suggest Mara Jade Skywalker Verses Darth Malak
@ANTHONY THOMAS It will be a little while, but I have plans to feature Cade this Season. :)
Daryl Franklin, Jr. Cade vs Plagueis they both have the power to save someone from death
Fully realized Grandmaster Luke is definitely depicted as more powerful than all the other Jedi.
It isn't even just a matter of depiction, he is stated directly to be the most powerful Jedi of the NJO.
@Joseph Bernstein Go get a sex change and stuff yourself.
RikkiTikkiTavi he’s trolling lol
@@JXZX1 Not as much as I did lol
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 LOL
Potential Versus Series
1.Mara Jade vs Satele Shan
2.Kyle Katarn vs A Sharad Hett
3.Tulak Hord vs Darth Malgus
4.Darth Malak vs Plo Koon
5.Darth Sion vs Inquisitor Jerec
6.Qu Rahn (Dark Forces 2 vs Rahm Kota)
7. Galen Marek vs Darth Krayt
8. Vindican vs Obi Won Kenobi
9. Shaak Ti vs Mara Jade
10. Mara Jade vs Qui Gon
11. Qui Gon Jinn vs Kyp Durron
12. Mace Windu vs Lord Starkiller
13. Yoda vs Lord Hoth
14. Yoda vs Satele Shan
15. Satele Shan vs Darth Revan
16. Darth Revan vs Kyle Katarn
17. Assajj Ventress vs Lumiya
18. Darth Traya vs Yoda
19. Kreia vs Exar Kun
20. Marko Ragnos vs Freedon Nadd
21. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Bane
22. Nomi Sunrider vs Kit Fisto
23. Agen Kolar vs Savage Opress
Tan Le “Yoda vs Satele Shan” LMAO
S0L0 I’m just talking about in terms of power! Satele Shan was damn powerful in the Star Wars The Old Republic Trailer!!!
Tan Le even in a terms of just raw force power, Yoda one shots
Yes to all
How about Obi-wan Kenobi (RotS) vs Darth Vader (Orginal Trilogy)?
Yes! The legend is back. Thank you so much Evan. I know your personal life has caused a dry spell of new content. Whatever you do, please don't give TH-cam up.
Luke Warren Hi! Luke Warren such a Giant fan and supporter of your Star Wars EU content!
I may not alway be the fastest uploader, but I assure you quitting is NOT on the agenda.
This is epic man, always love seeing Kyp Durron. Fantastic video man
What up Ryan. Cool to see you in the comments of one of my favourite TH-camrs.
No lie, at this point, Darth Plagueis is my favorite Sith Lord in EU. Cunning, wise, and ruthless. I’ve had to have read the novel at least 8 times. A badass Sith Lord indeed
Darth Insomnis I agree, I also think that Darth Tenebrous is criminally underrated!
Just so extremely underrated, a very tiny percentage of Star Wars fans know of him.
Darth Insomnis
Darth Plagueis vs Darth Bane
Darth Plagueis vs Satele Shan
Or Darth Plagueis vs Darth Revan + Darth Malak
Darth Plagueis vs Exar Kun + Ulic Quel Droma
Tan Le Plagueis vs Bane. That would be an interesting match: the start and end of the line.
@@tanletheorymarajadesateles6722 Plagueis beats Bane and Shan handily. Revan and Malak would give him a good fight and might win outright. Kun would be enough of a challenge for Plagueis by himself, Ulic wouldn't be able to do very much.
wristofkings for me, the more fun fight bane vs Plagueis, it’s hard to say. Although Plagueis does have the force and physical buff, bane is quite literally a muscle tank of a sith, and does command great power in the dark side. I mean, Plagueis did suffer greatly after his assassination attempt, but bane did survive being beaten to death in the ring, almost being killed by his armor, and was able to keep it together long enough to attempt essence transfer after the very agonizing loss of his arm from Zannah’s dark side tendril. Really it’d be a contest of two powerful Sith: one stronger in martial and the other stronger in force.
This is why the EU will always triumph over the new "cannon". These videos right here. You cant debate characters skills in depth like this in the new cannon cause there is almost nothing there to discuss. EU forever!
TH-cam comments: Did you ever hear of the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Me: Yes I have. But did you ever hear of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Drunk?
Rob George lol that's funny dude
His death never made sense to me, why the hell after literally never drinking in the whole novel thst he decides to drink and celbrate with Palpatine, everything up to that point showed that Plagueis did not need to eat or drink or even sleep and then out of no where he gets drunk on wine and fall asleep, even if he ndver saw Palpatine's betrayal he isn't dumb enough to let his guard down after numerous assassination attempts, that ending was poorly executed as Luceno focusses solely on Palpatine's thoughts immediately after and not Plagueis's, if I were the editor I would have had a sequence similar to the Tenebrous way showing what Plagueis's thoughts were as he was dying.
r u saying drunk ppl can't be wise lol
People being “equal to“ Luke in raw power is something I always take issue with, it really just shouldn’t happen all things considered.
I'd take it as Kyp being strong enough to be comparable to Luke in power, maybe a little stronger than Yoda.
I always take it as comparable to Luke's passive power. Not his full power.
Closest would be Palpatine. Of course if it hadn’t been for Vader, Luke would have been ashes. The Great Luke was crying for daddy from the emperors lightning.
"Equal to" is something I also take issue with.
But near equals or people in the same general weight class is fine with me.
I would argue that DE Sidious is actually superior to GM Luke in terms of raw force power (without oneness) given his ability to conjure force storms without an external amp.
I personally accept that fellow Skywalkers have or had at least the potential to become near the level Luke achieved in the original Expanded Universe.
So I could accept Anakin Solo being described near or greater than Luke, with Jacen and Jaina being just a tad weaker but in the same league. Later Ben Skywalker being like Anakin Solo and being another possible near Luke contender. Obviously Leia, if she trained like Luke had, would be nearly identical to Luke. Anakin Skywalker had the potential until he was put in the suit. The Legacy era is harder to judge but logic would imply Cade was at least as strong as Sidious. Most other Skywalkers either don't have enough scenes to judge them, only a Skywalker via marriage, are clearly weaker, or just not force sensitive. Allana is just hard to judge due to her youth, but I felt it was implied she had all the potential Jacen Solo had.
Kyp Durron's claims to be at Luke's level or stronger screamed the bad trope of having new characters having to top the original characters. Like Spider-Man having all these Spider powers but all later Spider characters got his and a few extra. I always took it as a sign of bad writing and just viewed it as Kyp being an egotistical brat who thought way too highly of himself, and so did quite a few later writers I felt too. Obviously this was my opinion before the prequels and Anakin becoming a "Choosen One" who was created by the force itself, which only made Kyp Durron's claim to be on Luke's level even crazier in my mind. I think the best explanation is Kyp is so impulsive he got one reading of Luke while he was holding back and just assumed that's all there was too him and his ego never let him admit he was wrong in his first assessment.
I personally feel the Old Republic era characters don't perfectly mesh well with Lucas's storyline of the Choosen One, but they could be made to fit just due to the sheer amount of time between them and how easily powers could be lost and powers Wax and wane over the millenniums. So who knows exactly how strong the ancient Sith really were or if they just had lost knowledge that let them do crazier things while being closer to Palpatine. Plus not to mention Luke Skywalker was pretty passive in his power usage. So he wouldn't go blowing up stars with the force or draining the life off of planets to feed himself.
As to Darth Bane or Darth Revan, I feel they where likely closer to Darth Vader but could be at most as strong as Darth Sidious. Though I'm more inclined to lean Vader's level. Darth Plagueis was definitely at Darth Sidious' range.
This one was pretty easy to call honestly, Plagueis was an ingenious Sith Lord who was instrumental in the Rule of Two Sith's revenge on the Old Jedi Order, but he just never prioritized combat, he sought to destroy the Sith's enemies through contagion, not subjugation. Personally though, I feel when it comes to absolute raw power, Luke edges out on Durron, though Durron is definitely comparable. My only real complaint about legends continuity is that the Force abilities become so astronomical and immense it becomes hard to take seriously, and at times made me question why anyone bothered to take on Grandmaster Luke Skywalker and his Jedi. That's pretty why Legacy era took place over 100 years after Luke's death, as it brought the power scaling down to something a bit more believable. Still doesn't change the fact that Legends were superior to Disney.
So Kyp's scaling always seemed a bit ridiculous.
So Kyp is on par with Luke in both NJO and LOT?
Luke who surpassed the most powerful Sith Lord of All Time 15 years prior to NJO?
That Sith Lord who was Equal to Yoda? Who was superior to Vader? To Vitiate?
I have no problem say Kyp has the potential similar to characters such as Sidious, Bane, Galen Marek, Mace Windu, even Jaina or Jacen, but Luke (who is 12 years older than Kyp) is not an equal in force potential, but immediate available power? It to me seems a bit crazy.
By this logic Kyp would likely have potential similar to Anakin (which is crazy)
I get that a lot of this is due to different writers having different interpretations of the scaling of characters, but its just always seemed a bit much for me
Love Kyp one of my favorite characters, but his scaling was always a bit of wank. If you ask me he should have scaled similar to Vader interms of force power (80% of RotJ Sidious) powerful and easily top tier, but not GM Luke level
Not sure why you list Bane, Jacen and especially Jaina as having Sidious tier potential. Jacen's showings, even as Caedus, pale in comparison to anything Sidious has. Jaina is vastly inferior to Caedus and I doubt she can even defeat someone like Kenobi, let alone touch Sidious. As for Bane, he scales directly under Sidious by a fairly large degree via several sources.
Kyp is basically the earlier version Jacen who was saved instead, so they share similar potential, which is tremendous for a non-skywalker.
So you're mad that Kyp matched Luke despite Luke being older yet have no problem with Luke surprassing Sidious(AKA the most powerful Sith in history) after only having trained for 5-9 years?
Sounds like a Luke fanboy here
Kyp was written before the whole idea of a chosen one, midichlorians or the events of the clone wars were truly fleshed out hence why Kyp, a seemingly nobody could be equal or greater than skywalker.
Personally i liked it because im mot that fond of the idea that only skywalkers could be the greatest in history. This of course not yet going into the fact that Kyp is most definitely not stronger than Luke since Luke is basically superman where he never really goes all out espdcially post njo
But from my point of view we need to make every Star Wars Expanded Universe book and Comic into Live Action!
I second that!
Tan Le
Yes.....but....not under the Disney banner.
I’m a truly worried Of what Disney might do if they try to make a live action darth bane trilogy.
Same but animated instead
If they announced a Darth Bane trilogy I would be camping in front of the theater right now
do you seriously think that can be done with who is in control of the franchise now? And don't you remember which company declared legends non canon?
I’ve been waiting for this. Also, has anybody thought about Darth Caedus vs. Darth Traya yet? Both were Sith Lords who tried to use the Dark side to an end that wasn’t just obtaining power, and they are pretty similar when it comes to their fall to the dark side since they were both corrupted by war. Both of them rely on unorthodox tactics, with Traya using Trakata and Telekinetic Lightsaber manipulation while Caedus uses vibroblades and poison.
Caedus wrecks her. Lumiya would be more Traya's speed I think.
Does Traya have prep?
If she does and Caedus does not then Traya, Traya+prep is scary.
Otherwise, Caedus ftw.
She wrecks Caedus in a game of chess though.
wristofkings I don’t think so. Caedus has more raw force power, but Traya has more abilities at her disposal. They both have shatterpoint and illusion, but Traya has Drain Force, Force Fear, and Force Stun. Their physicality isn’t that far off either, with Traya having comparable pain tolerance and resilience (having hand cut off and impaling herself/surviving being beaten up by Sion). As for lightsaber combat, I think Trakata and Telekinetic Saber manipulation gives Traya the edge. Caedus is a blademaster, sure, but he’s consistently been beaten by basically everybody he fought. Add to that, there’s nobody in the NJO who has faced Traya’s style before, let alone used it.
@@yahwhey2392 The gap in Force power is simply too large between Caedus and Traya. Also, Caedus has gone into almost every canon duel he's ever been in with serious physical/mental handicaps and even then still managed to turn the situation in his favor or at least survive long enough to escape (the one exception was GM Luke, who could have very well ended Caedus regardless of what he did if Ben Skywalker didn't intervene). He didn't even want to fight in his last duel with Jaina (along with looking like the Black Knight from Monty Python at that point) and he was still holding her off for a while.
@@wristofkings "along with looking like the Black Knight from Monty Python at that point"
Im dying from this. Darth Caedus is the Black Knight from Monty Python. Loses an arm, and says just a flesh wound.
Slight counter-point. From how they are discribed and shown, the three rings of defense are basically a hybrid of Shii-Choo, Soresu, Ataru and Shien/Djem So since they were still built on the foundation of classical styles. The three rings is practically Niman recreated with a fighter`s mindset. I would argue that while Plagueis might be unfamiliar with this hybrid, the individual techniques aren`t completely foreign and he might/would be able to adopt his knowledge of the classical forms to deal with the three rings. This doesn`t change the fact that Kyp is likely the more seasoned, practiced and skilled fighter, but I wouldn`t call his fighting form itself a win.
I agree, the three rings aren't all that unique as the principals of fencing carryover across all styles and there's only so many ways you can attack with a lightsaber, sure Kyp may know of some unorthodox moves but his basic saber technique would be pretty straightforward and Plagueis would not be blindsided or defeated so easily as Evan thinks as it seemed to me that Plagueis was somewhat toying a little with Venamis before getting more serious and resorting to his force abilities to defeat Venamis, though I do agree that Kyp Durron most likely is the better duelist I don't see him being wildly superior to Plagueis and their duel would probably be on even terms for the first and 2nd stages with Kyp's greater experience, skills and more layered technique ultimately winning out in the final stage of their duel.
Good points, but there is one thing about the "Three-Rings of Defense" that are often overlooked, and have parallels in modern, IRL fighting.
The 3-rings, or Strong-style, Medium-style, and Fast-style, were all taught to the students in Luke's a Academy, and from their the they could develop their own preferences and habits towards fighting, yet the 7 traditional forms (at least mid-Yuzzhan Vong-war and later), were all known to the Jedi (Kyle Katarn, Kam Solusar, Mara Jade, indicate this), and Jacen Solo has been depicted teaching Ben SKywalker basic Shii-Cho velocities in the Legacy Novels. For the NJO could learn the Traditional forms, but fit them into the 3-Rings of Defense instead of use older "textbook" habits which Old Jedi Order Knights and masters did.
In this vein, another visual example of this can be found in Galen Marek. With Galen, Darth Vader only taught him lightsaber basics, then withheld anything about the 7 Forms from him and spent years only sparring with his Apprentice. Those sparring sessions, with Darth Vader and Proxy, forced Galen to devlop his own unique habbits and tactics through trial-and-error, or personalize-or-die. Only once those sunk-in did Vader introduce other lightsaber forms to Galen, from where the Apprentice decided to practice Soresu, Shien and Juyo, fitting them into the framework he'd developed via Sparring.
This made Galen Marek a unique figure in his own right, and later, NJO-trained Jedi developed along similar avenues; preferring 1 of the Rings over the others, or using 1 or 2 for defense and separate ring for offense.
Evannova95, and Jensaarai One, directly explored this in their recent videos "Katarn vs. Darth Vader," and "Katarn vs. Malgus." The former especially dissected how Katarn used defensive moves centred around his "middle"-ring , and offensive "outer"-ring & "inner"-ring; whereas Darth Vader favoured the "inner"ring for his defense, or applied an "outer"-ring "bludgeoning-style," and "middle"-ring balanced style. Which they themselves fit the other lightsaber forms into.
Kyle Katarn: Outer-ring (Djem So, SHii-cho) + Middle-ring (Makashi [blade-binding], Niman, Soresu) + Inner-ring (Ataru)
Darth Vader: Outer-ring (Djem SO, Juyo, SHii-cho) + Middle-ring (Ataru, Makashi) + Inner-ring (Soresu).
I might be wrong, but the novels "I, Jedi" and the Jedi Academy video games were likely published before the Jedi Path, or any novels, guidebooks and lore about 7 Lightsaber Forms came out (or perhaps were even invented). The books also go into strong details about the purpose, mechanics and how different characters learn those skills, which to me make them a more comprehensive and relatable fighting style to enision.
I have been practicing martial-arts for 6 years; especially Muay Thai, which actually include 5 "styles" that are marked by which moves, or limbs, different Nak Muay favour. And even in Boxing, there are 4 basic "styles" which different boxers are recognized as. Most of them indicated by the range different boxers prefer, or how they use their footwork.
Muay Thai: -Muay Mat (heavy punched + low-kicks). -Muay Tae (kick-specialists). -Muay Khao (knees + elbows). s -Muay Femur (defensive-technicians) -Muay Bok (offensive-technicians)
Boxing: -Inner-fighter/Swarmer. -Out-boxer. -Brawler. -Boxer-puncher. (look them up, and you'd be surprised).
@@geoffreyedgson7875 Muay Thai is the best striking sport and no one can convince me otherwise.
@@_Egil I agree. Though there is 1 style which in far more violent and has an extra "Weapon": Lethuwei. Myanmar, a neighbour of Thailand, is the home of Lethuwei, which overlaps with Muay Thai except for head-butts (head-butts are legal and fundamental in Lethuwei, making it the "Art of 9 limbs")
I was re-watching this video, found this comment, and it got me thinking. About a separate the 3-Rings from the "Classical" forms, with a specific, peculiar parallel with Fast-style, Medium-style and Strong-style.
IRL, the 3-Rings first appear in the novel "I, Jedi," which was released before the Prequel series or several tie-in materials which featured the 7 forms. The writers who devised it as an explanation for Luke teaching his Jedi students were drawn more from real-world sword principles, and had no reference or input of SHi--CHo, Djem So, or other styles which were published in later years.
IN-universe, Luke devised the 3-Rings as a teaching system to meet threats and defend or handle them, similar to real-world Krav Maga. He devised this using the lightsaber skills he picked up from Yoda, Kenobi and Vader through both teaching and emulating them, along with working input from Kam Solusar and Corran Horn. There are parallels with different "rings" and individual moves from classic forms, yet the 3-rings dominantly address different situations and foes, rather than functioning as a holistic or "stylistic" martial art akin to Old Jedi Order styles.
The 3-rings were made with defence in mind, hence the name, and functionally involved different blade positions to meet threats, whether with a blaster, duelling or a separate weapon. With this defensive application,, or progressive advance, it's more like deliberate Soresu, emphasizing defence and positions to end threats and physical manoeuvres. Simplicity, instead of flamboyant or complex blade work, footwork and mindsets.
Furthermore, later after Luke's early batch of students, the 3-Rings were swapped-out with Strong-style, Medium-Style and Fast-style. All three are more complete styles with footwork and physical positions, defensive and offensive components and the potential for selective hybridization or "purist" stylists.
Soresu====>Djem SO, Shien, Ataru
3-Rings====>Strong-Style, Medium-Style, Fast-Style.
Forms V (both variants) were credited to be offensive developments from Soresu, while Ataru is the complete opposite of Soresu, favouring acrobatics, explosive energy and decisive aggression.
Strong Style is physically intense and duelling-centric, with Meidum style as a measured and practical approach, and Fast-style favouring flank sub-versions, combat parkour and rapid stabs or cuts. Most of which do form components of the 3-Rings, in a startingly parallel with the relationship Djem So, SHien and Ataru have with Soresu.
So question Evan, could you do a tier system for the NJO Jedi Council?
@AzureAmaterasu Sebatyne is definitely stronger than Corran Horn because of the whole telekinesis thing, and she also defeated Kenth Hamner without much difficulty. Similarly, Mara has to be better than Hamner and possibly Katarn as well, since Mara almost killed 2- armed Caedus in 1v1 which is much better than the other 2 ever did. I'd honestly put even Cilghal above Horn since she can easily rag doll him with the Force and he has no defense. Kyp is definitely #1 after Luke. I'd say- 1. Kyp, 2. Mara/ Katarn, 3. Saba, 4. Hamner, 5. Cilghal, 6. Horn. Jaina would probably be top 3 level after killing Caedus.
Im hoping evan does a tier for all jedi and sith out there. Yes, I know this sounds crazy and will take months even, but I also want them to include rey and kylo ren because I just absolutely despise the sequels and want rey to be bashed to hell. Kylo ren im giving leeway because he had training and potential, not to mention his force abilities (as limited as they were)
Ok I don't know why you people underestimate horn so much . He is weaker than hamner ? A featless jedi ? Come on that's false. He is by far the best telepath in the njo and he is the best in energy absorption too . Of course everyone thinks that he is weak because of the lack of tk . WRONG !!! First of all he has compensated for his weaknesses in using tk as an offensive tool and for the most part as a defensive . He has relatively weak defences but not something anyone can exploit especially if he is seeing an attack coming . At the time of fotj he is propably the third or fourth best lightsaber duelist: 1. Luke 2. Kyle 3. Either corran or jaina . He has defeated the jensarrai and their sarrai karr yuzzan vong warrior and even a yuzzan vong commander shadao shai one of the best that the yuzzan vong had . Hordes of sith in coruscant and was one of the three jedi that were suggested to lead an attack against caedous . It was also implied that he would be able to take on lumiya and him not being some hot headed idiot like kyp it would propably be true that he was on the same level
1. Luke (who would've thought)
2. Kyp Durron/Kyle Katarn
3. Saba Sebatyne
4. Corran Horn
5. Clighal/Kenth Hamner
I don't know where to place Jaina.
@@mc_rysiek5277 i would put corran and jaina above saba but jaina below corran only due to experience
Someone finally said it. Kyp was basically a force god standing with Luke and reven.
shawn douglas speaking of Revan, where would one tier him as an overall combatant
I don't even think Revan is top tier as Vitiate is clearly above Revan at every point in the story. Vitiate is a powerful force entity.
One has to look at all these powerful Sith force entiy spirits and compare them to the Jedi spirits. I wonder how much the force entities are powerful as OWK just fades away but ancient sith last thousands of years with imense in universe power.
@@gm2407 vitiate is on abeloth's level
@@user-pp7uq8og2e naa i don't see it, when you look at each of his defeats i wouldn't put him that high up
I'd actually argue that Luke and Kyp are a league ahead of Revan. Revan has a clear-cut case where he capped-out against another Force God, or an "Above Tier 1" individual: Emperor Vitiate. While Kyp and Luke can and have competed and even won over other god-class characters, or other Jedi Grand-Master figures.
Revan is something of a Mid-Tier 1 (above Kyle Katarn or Darth Vader; yet below Darth Sidious, GM Luke and Kyp DUrron)
Legends made way more sense than canon.. Luke having a successful jedi academy, the new republic having a strong hold on the galaxy
Kinnzie Martin Legends actually presented the power a person would have if they could use an energy field that enveloped the entire galaxy 💀
@@blackshogun272 for reaaaaal
@ANTHONY THOMAS no, it just made no sense and is an entire plot hole disney doesn't want to explain because their storytelling has degraded to political agenda
@ANTHONY THOMAS I do, except that the new republic failed not because of arrogance or weakness, but because of bad writing.
I think labeling Kyp Durron as equal with Luke in force connection is unfounded. Yes he is immensely powerful, it is stated multiple times that Luke was the most powerful Jedi in galactic history, in the NJO (which Durron was a part of) and Luke was the only person, Durron included, that was guaranteed to be able to take down Caedus according to Luke. So while Evan is right that Durron is close to Luke's league, he isn't an equal. The dovan basal incidents aren't really reliable for scaling due to the circumstances around both.
for the ones who views the Force in a pragmatic approach like Kyp, I think he can be slightly more powerful than his big boss Luke. The dark side of the Force, aside from one's natural sensitivity via Midi-chlorians, heavily relies on one's steadfast will and intensely focused emotion in order to produce immense raw power. Grand Master Luke, a charismatic and diplomatic man like dad Vader, rarely taps into that kind of power, he dedicates himself to be the immovable rock and a empathetic monk who guides people out off misery to enlightenment, hurting people is not the optimal way to achieve that, and Luke is pretty much the physical embodiment of the light side. Durron is somewhat like Luke's other dad Anakin, a man totally dedicated to showing his ego and assert his dominance on the table in every aspect. But he does not let arrogance grow and cloud his mind, constantly pushing himself to achieve greater power. He enjoys leading from the frontline and maintains that enjoyment even in the brink of death. This is the perfect formula to maximize the overwhelming potential of the dark side proven by Darth Bane and Darth Vader. I can believe that, though this maybe occasional since he must maintain discipline and self-control constantly, a major that Kyle Katarn later developed techniques to protect one's mind from the seductive call of darkness and it took quite some time for him to develop it.
Its not unfounded. It was admitted as such by Luke and exar kun. Some guide books even suggested that Kyp matches Luke's raw powers in the force
Potential Versus Series
1.Mara Jade vs Satele Shan
2.Kyle Katarn vs A Sharad Hett
3.Tulak Hord vs Darth Malgus
4.Darth Malak vs Plo Koon
5.Darth Sion vs Inquisitor Jerec
6.Qu Rahn (Dark Forces 2 vs Rahm Kota)
7. Galen Marek vs Darth Krayt
8. Vindican vs Obi Won Kenobi
9. Shaak Ti vs Mara Jade
10. Mara Jade vs Qui Gon
11. Qui Gon Jinn vs Kyp Durron
12. Mace Windu vs Lord Starkiller
13. Yoda vs Lord Hoth
14. Yoda vs Satele Shan
15. Satele Shan vs Darth Revan
16. Darth Revan vs Kyle Katarn
17. Assajj Ventress vs Lumiya
18. Darth Traya vs Yoda
19. Kreia vs Exar Kun
20. Marko Ragnos vs Freedon Nadd
21. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Bane
22. Nomi Sunrider vs Kit Fisto
23. Agen Kolar vs Savage Opress
Jeez that's a lot...
Mara wins after a good fight.
Katarn stomps A'sharad (but any version of Krayt likely wins).
Not enough info on Hord.
Koon contends with Malak on paper as his defensive/tactical focus is optimized to deal with Malak's high risk/reward offensive style, but is generally outclassed.
Jerec can end the fight with Force Destruction, though Sion might be able to tank it and is likely the better duelist.
Probably Kota. Rahn's best feat (holding off Jerec's Dark Jedi and injuring several) doesn't compare to Kota's insane feats of endurance (i.e. surviving a fall through atmosphere, fighting against beasts in the arena for days at a time), pressuring pre-prime Galen Marek or tearing a small space station apart.
Krayt spites Marek. Anything Marek does he can do better.
Vindican is a very run of the mill Sith Lord while ROTS Kenobi is Top 5 most powerful Jedi Master of the Clone Wars era. Sensing a big mismatch here.
Mara wins through her bigger bag of tricks but it's a great fight.
Mara stomps Qui Gon, she's just a more viable combatant in every area.
Kyp ragdolls Jinn with ease.
... Hmm. Probably Windu but that's an interesting idea.
Not enough on Hoth.
Jensaarai did this matchup already.
Revan beats Satele or Katarn with some effort.
Lumiya takes this one as Asajj doesn't really have an answer to her lightwhip.
Yoda overpowers Traya without too much trouble, though she'd definitely beat him in chess.
Same with Kun.
Not enough to go on with either.
Jensaarai did Dark Empire Luke against Path of Destruction Bane and Luke won, but Dynasty of Evil Bane would likely be a much closer match.
Fisto is the better lightsaber duelist by a fair margin but Nomi can instantly Force Sever him, so it doesn't really matter.
I'd put my chips on Kolar.
When I first read Kyp Durron which was when he was introduced I thought they intended to make him Anakin Skywalker level to his generation as he was a natural force wielder with minimal input. The fact that the highest level Luke Skywalker and Kyp were able to fight in the hardest level of training where leathality is an expected byproduct makes me favour Kyp.
Pretty much.
Kyp Durron = NJO Anakin
Corran Horn = NJO Obi Wan
Kyle Katarn = NJO Qui Gon or Dooku
Jaina Solo = Mace Windu
Kyp Duron isn't that strong
I do believe he was introduced before Phantom Menace was completed. So perhaps they intented to make him that strong but changed their mind as the prequals progressed. Luke's own power levels kept getting buffed in the decade that followed the introduction of Kyp so they are all stronger than originally written.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I know I'm two years too late but I one hundred percent agree with this entire statement.
@@varunnathamuni5540 Never too late for a good convo, thanks !
I've delved into the NJO as well as Darth Plageuis, and I have to say that your matchup with Jedi Master Kyp Durron and Sith Lord Darth Plageuis was HIGHLY entertaining and insightful (plus, I really like your creative vocabulary; it's actually quite refreshing, especially these days). Durron has been one of my most favorite Star Wars characters of all time, in particular because, despite the fact that he emerged having committed several of the most heinous acts that a Jedi could even conceive, his willingness to commit himself to atone for what he had done is what makes him such a compelling Master Jedi; possibly even one who could succeed Luke Skywalker as Grandmaster of the Order. Well done, my man!
My top 10 Clone Commanders would be
1. Captain Fordo
2. Commander Bly
3. Commander Appo
4. Commander Cody
5. Commander Wolfe
6. Commander Neyo
7. Arc Commander Fives
8. Arc Commander Thire
9. Commander Doom
10. Commander Bacara
Um, where's Fordo?
My personal list would go:
2. Wollfe (I'm a Plo Koon fan)
3. Alpha (he trained most of them)
4. Thorn (badass last stand)
5. Doom (badass heavy infantry unit)
1st one should be a no brainer #FordoIsTheBest
Such a Giant fan of your channel, I have been following since 2012! You are so knowledgeable and informative about the Expanded Universe! Best EU TH-camr, your channel is so underrated!
I’m so glad that you are still making videos, I have learned so much a absolutely ton from your videos!
Personally I’m such a giant enthusiast of the post Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe stories.
I would say Kyp Durron is stronger than the majority of Jedi Knights during his Era, but not as powerful as Kyle Katarn.
Really miss the Old Expanded Universe, and I would on a heartbeat pay anything to see the story in live action
I am a big Kyp Durron fan, I did create one of his respect threads a few years ago after all, but I dont think he wins this.
Even if you can argue that Kyp exceeds Plagueis in raw power, he hasn't shown or applied such applicable power in combat to the same degree Plagueis has. The Dovin Basal feat was accomplished with deep concentration and it exhausted him. It is unlikely he will be willing or even capable of unleashing such power in combat.
Moreover, comparing Kyp with Luke is questionable at best. Not only are many of the accolades that suggest comparability are generally character opinions, but actual statements (even at the point of the Vong war) show Luke is the most powerful Jedi.
There is also the fact that comparing Luke and Kyp through a Dovin Basal comparison is shifty due to the differing circumstances between them.
When it comes to a Luke-Kyp dueling comparison, even if the sparring matches were 'dangerous', Luke and Kyp were having a conversation regarding strategy and Clighal weighed in on he duel as back up for Durron. Moreover, as mentioned Kyp was compared to Kyle Katarn who proved himself inferior to Caedus in skill, whom is not an equal to Luke by any metric.
agreed
@AzureAmaterasu Kyp being above Plagueis in raw power is certainly something I can subscribe to. But the lore seems to suggest (along with Kyp himself directly stating so in one of the Legacy novels) that he doesn't use or is willing to use his power so effectively in combat compared to someone like Plagueis. As for the DE Luke comparison, it would really depend where you have DE Luke. Personally I have him around Yoda/ROTS Sidious level due to his scaling, a tier you can argue that Plagueis isn't profoundly outclassed by even despite scaling below them. Note I don't have DE Luke overly close to DE Sidious because Sidious is clearly shown to be his superior for the vast majority of the story, dominating Luke until Leia shows.
Then lastly there is the fact that there is no way in hell Plagueis is getting shanked by a Katarn tier duelist. It isn't a mere matter of being slightly below Caedus in this regard, it is a matter of being DECENTLY below Caedus, thus making Evan's Kyp-Luke comparison moot. Plagueis by all hype and indication should be the better duelist, and he is consistently underrated in this regard.
@@gaidheal6792 Caedus was able to hold his own against bloodlusted GM Luke, who also happened to have an element of suprise. And after that fight Luke outright considered Caedus to be his match.
Aside from the fact that Caedus outright acknowledged Katarn as a threat, Katarn and his subordinates were able to actualy stalemate Caedus in pure lightsaber duel. And it was repeteadly stated that Katarn's backup is nothing to Caedus, meaning it was Katarn who was doing the heavy lifting. It wasn't until Caedus started to abuse his power in the Force on those weaklings when the things went south.
You also conviniently ignore the fact that Luke considered both Durron and Katarn to be superior to Viun Galaan, another guy who held his own against Luke. What Plagueis has on that?
Instead of complaining about Plagueis being "underrated", provide some actual arguments.
@@mc_rysiek5277 For whatever reason, I do not seem to be getting notifications on replies to comments, hence why I've not replied to their thread since.
Firstly, chill out. No need to be so seemingly rude in the reply.
*Caedus was able to hold his own against bloodlusted GM Luke, who also happened to have an element of suprise. And after that fight Luke outright considered Caedus to be his match.*
Not exactly. The Luke Skywalker we are dealing with here (LoTF: Inferno), while indeed bloodlusted, is also racked with emotional hindrance and is in a state of deep depression after Mara's death. A poor mental state, particularly among Jedi, can actually act as a hindrance e.g. Anakin Skywalker, can shift CIS dreadnaughts as a Padawan, but struggles with less when emotionally compromised in LoE, iirc (might be remembering the wrong source). Luke was also dominating for the majority of the duel, landing more hits and dishing more damage. This is not even mentioning that Luke had (in the same novel, Inferno) _"not gestured, had not flinched, had not even shifted his gaze"_ and pinned Caedus to a chair where he _"found himself struggling against an invisible weight."_ to the extent he can't even reach the end of the chairs arm. Granted, Luke took him by surprise but _"it was equally true that he had done so with no visible effort-and that he was continuing to hold him with no apparent exertion."_ with Caedus musing that _"all that stood between him and a quick death was Luke Skywalker's much-strained sense of decency"_ (All quotes from Legacy of the Force: Inferno). Jacen's fight with the Luke amped Jaina is arguably more impressive.
*Aside from the fact that Caedus outright acknowledged Katarn as a threat*
Which can amount to him saying Katarn is decent, which is nice but ultimately it does not say much. Sidious mused that Ventress was a threat, but realistically she couldn't touch them if they were to engage.
*Katarn and his subordinates were able to actualy stalemate Caedus in pure lightsaber duel. And it was repeteadly stated that Katarn's backup is nothing to Caedus, meaning it was Katarn who was doing the heavy lifting.*
While most of this is true (bar it being a stalemate) there is context here. While his companions were ultimately no match for Caedus, they weren't entirely useless. Indeed, Valin Horn saved Katarn from having his leg amputated within the first 10 seconds of the duel. Moreover, Caedus was pre-prime for a start and he was still recovering from the previously discussed fight with Luke in which he sustained injuries. To add, Caedus was also biding his time for the GAG forces to arrive, was largely in control of the fight and wanted Katarn alive for questioning regarding the Jedi hideout on Endor.
*It wasn't until Caedus started to abuse his power in the Force on those weaklings when the things went south.*
Okay, but that isn't entirely relevant. Again, look at the context above.
*You also conviniently ignore the fact that Luke considered both Durron and Katarn to be superior to Viun Galaan, another guy who held his own against Luke. *
Actually he did not say Gaalan was superior to Kyp and Kyle. He said they were roughly on par. Let's look at the quote:
_"He was good; Luke gave him that. He might have been a match for an expert swordsmaster such as Kyp or Kyle Katarn."_
- Fate of the Jedi: Backlash
Even if you want to count the 'might' as a suggestion of Viun's inferiority, the quote still indicates rough parity and doesn't state outright superiority either.
As for Viun's supposed comparability to Luke, we can infer that Luke was holding back through inference. Gaalan was merely a Lord within the Lost Tribe, and was below the High Lords. The ranks within the Lost Tribe were established _“according to his ability in the Force”_ (Fate of the Jedi: Ascension), thus we can assume High Lords > Lords in power. The High Lords, in turn, were below the Grand Lord Darish Vol, described as being _“less powerful manipulators of the Force”_ than him despite being _“utter masters of it”_ (Fate of the Jedi: Omen). Yet despite this, Darish Vol only possesses _“much of the power of Skywalker”_ (Fate of the Jedi: Ascension). Thus, we can assume that Luke was holding back against Viun Gaalan, whom is far weaker than Darish Vol who can only loosely compare to Luke. Furthermore, this is not even accounting for the fact that the duel between Gaalan and Skywalker took place on Dathomir, a noted Dark Side Nexus.
*What Plagueis has on that?*
Years of Banite training and knowledge under his belt. Banites themselves also stressing the importance of lightsaber combat, a tradition that dated back to Darth Bane. Indeed, one of Plagueis' foes Venamis is a testament to this fact and quality of training, knowing all 7 forms, blending them, studying styles and employing the unorthadox. Plagueis also has a unique familiarity of various weapons, has trained Sidious who in turn passed it down to Maul who trained him in _“numerous exotic and forbidden martial arts”_ (Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force) and he was _"one of the most skilled and deadly warriors in Sith history”_ (SW: Factfile #001). I think this is above Viun Gaalan, tbh.
*Instead of complaining about Plagueis being "underrated", provide some actual arguments.*
If you're going to be so cocky, then at least understand the context of what you are arguing. But if you want me to make a Plagueis case then what would you prefer power or skill? If skill I already provided a snippet but can go into more detail. For now though I will leave you with this.
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*Not exactly. The Luke Skywalker we are dealing with here (LoTF: Inferno), while indeed bloodlusted, is also racked with emotional hindrance and is in a state of deep depression after Mara's death. A poor mental state, particularly among Jedi, can actually act as a hindrance e.g. Anakin Skywalker, can shift CIS dreadnaughts as a Padawan, but struggles with less when emotionally compromised in LoE, iirc (might be remembering the wrong source). Luke was also dominating for the majority of the duel, landing more hits and dishing more damage. This is not even mentioning that Luke had (in the same novel, Inferno) "not gestured, had not flinched, had not even shifted his gaze" and pinned Caedus to a chair where he "found himself struggling against an invisible weight." to the extent he can't even reach the end of the chairs arm. Granted, Luke took him by surprise but "it was equally true that he had done so with no visible effort-and that he was continuing to hold him with no apparent exertion." with Caedus musing that "all that stood between him and a quick death was Luke Skywalker's much-strained sense of decency" (All quotes from Legacy of the Force: Inferno). Jacen's fight with the Luke amped Jaina is arguably more impressive*
Luke is not Anakin, and vice versa. If you have some evidence that Luke's combat performance was compromised (instead of being in "battle-rage", as the book says), then provide it. The guy just saw Jacen torturing his son. I'm pretty sure Mara's death was the last thing he was thinking at the moment.
In both situations Luke had element of surprise, which is massive advantage. Element of surprise repeatedly allowed less powerful Force wielders to gain the upper hand against the stronger (Savage Opress ragdolling Dooku and Ventress simultaneously). Obviously the stronger Force wielder (Luke) is going to own the weaker one (Caedus) in the same situation. Plus, defending against Force attack and breaking the enemy's hold while already being in it are two different things.
After their duel, when Luke gained an actual measure of Jacen's power, he outright calls Jacen his match:
"Three YVH droids were left. And Jacen. Against Luke and Ben. Jacen was Luke's match, which meant Ben had to cope with three combat droids. The odds weren't good."
In fact, Luke outright admitted to himself that Jacen could kill him in a fight:
"If I lead this mission, I will strike at Jacen with hatred. One of us will die, and Ben will follow our mutual example and be lost to the dark side. Luke did not need the Force to show him the future to know that this was true ."
Those quotes utterly destroy the notion of Luke ragdolling Caedus in a fair, non-circumstancial encounter.
*While most of this is true (bar it being a stalemate) there is context here. While his companions were ultimately no match for Caedus, they weren't entirely useless. Indeed, Valin Horn saved Katarn from having his leg amputated within the first 10 seconds of the duel. Moreover, Caedus was pre-prime for a start and he was still recovering from the previously discussed fight with Luke in which he sustained injuries. To add, Caedus was also biding his time for the GAG forces to arrive, was largely in control of the fight and wanted Katarn alive for questioning regarding the Jedi hideout on Endor*
"The five combatants moved as though they'd been choreographing this event for years and had planned, all along, that the two sides would somehow be even."
Both Seha Dorvald and Caedus himself make note of the team's coordination. Katarn performed a risky move knowing for the fact that Caedus' potential counterattack will be intercepted by one of his allies.
Even pre-prime Caedus was considered by Luke to be his match. And his injuries didn't come into play until the very end o the fight, after he suffered *additional* injury. As a matter of fact, his injuries were actually making him stronger:
"So when Niathal said he did not look well, she was correct. He keenly felt his worst injury, not the vibroblade wound, not the scalp tear, not the kidney damage. All three were healing, all three were the kind of pain that strengthen him."
He wanted *someone* alive, not Katarn specifically. Otherwise he wouldn't *impale* him with the lightsaber or *decapitate* Mithric.
*As for Viun's supposed comparability to Luke, we can infer that Luke was holding back through inference. Gaalan was merely a Lord within the Lost Tribe, and was below the High Lords. The ranks within the Lost Tribe were established “according to his ability in the Force” (Fate of the Jedi: Ascension), thus we can assume High Lords > Lords in power. The High Lords, in turn, were below the Grand Lord Darish Vol, described as being “less powerful manipulators of the Force” than him despite being “utter masters of it” (Fate of the Jedi: Omen). Yet despite this, Darish Vol only possesses “much of the power of Skywalker” (Fate of the Jedi: Ascension). Thus, we can assume that Luke was holding back against Viun Gaalan, whom is far weaker than Darish Vol who can only loosely compare to Luke. Furthermore, this is not even accounting for the fact that the duel between Gaalan and Skywalker took place on Dathomir, a noted Dark Side Nexus*
No, we can't. There's absolutely nothing suggesting that Luke was holding back against Gaalan.
Characters like Revan, Hero of Tython and Anakin Skywalker all became the most powerful Jedi of their respective eras without (or before, in HoT's case) officially being granted the rank of a Master. Just beceuse High Lords are *supposed* to be more powerful than Lords, doesn't mean they actually *are* especially since the ranks within the Lost Tribe were established not only according to strength in the Force, but also to physical attractivness. Titles in themselves don't mean much.
The whole hierarchy argument falls apart completely when you realize that Gaalan (a Lord) performed against Luke better than Ivaar Workan, who was not only a High Lord, but also became the highest ranking member of the Tribe after Vol's death.
Waiting for actual evidence that Dathomir is *exclusively* dark side nexus, rather than being a world "strong in life energy" (The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons) or which "atmosphere seems to crackle with life energy" (The Essential Atlas). Also, things like external amplifiers tend to be mentioned before or after a fight. In the same series of books, the dark side nexus of Dromund Kaas (and its effects on Luke and co) is adressed almost immediately. With Dathomir? Not so much.
*Years of Banite training and knowledge under his belt. Banites themselves also stressing the importance of lightsaber combat, a tradition that dated back to Darth Bane. Indeed, one of Plagueis' foes Venamis is a testament to this fact and quality of training, knowing all 7 forms, blending them, studying styles and employing the unorthadox. Plagueis also has a unique familiarity of various weapons, has trained Sidious who in turn passed it down to Maul who trained him in “numerous exotic and forbidden martial arts” (Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force) and he was "one of the most skilled and deadly warriors in Sith history” (SW: Factfile #001). I think this is above Viun Gaalan, tbh.*
Yes, I'm sure all of this fancy training would allow Plagueis or Maul to compete with GM Luke.
Cool verses video, one thing that I remember from rewatching the Council Forcecast review of the Darth Plagueis novel is that Jenssari said that the Rule of Two can't go into 'unlimited power' mode like older Sith Lords unless they have no other choice as it sends out a sign to nearby Jedi where they are. Also, I have two questions:
1) Do you know when the first part of the review for Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader is coming out on Fanalysis (I know that none of you do youtube as a job and therefore things like that and other real life events make recording harder, just wanted to know)?
2) Seeing as I've heard Halo music in the background of your videos for a long time (even going back to a video about all lightsaber colours), what is your opinion on the Halo franchise?
Well, I learn something new about Kyp Durron.
Also, I get the feeling that NJO era jedi are so absurdly powerful that it makes the Clone Wars jedi weak. heck, jedi like Obi-Wan might be snubbed out of the top 10 most powerful jedi cause the NJO era jedi are so fucking powerful.
Yep. It's because Luke is so powerful, so they have to make the villains powerful or they would be useless, which means they also have to make the side characters powerful.
The way I see it, the feats are exaggerated in ROTJ legends. That way it can still look cool but they aren't too overpowered when compared to the clone wars era and even the old republic.
Edit: I meant post ROTJ legends
They are so powerful cause they were trained by Luke Skywalker.Also humanity is supposed to nearly evolve
Hey Evan! How would you feel making a guide introduction for the EU. Such as the yuuzhan vong war, Darth krayt, and old republic
My top 10 Sith is
1. Darth Tenebrous
2.Darth Plageuis
3. Darth Nihillus
4. Darth Krayt
5. Darth Bane
6. Darth Sidious
7. Exar Kun
8.Darth Traya
9. Darth Malgus
10. Darth Vindacin
How tf is Bane > Sidious?
@@light687 it's his opinion he can put them however he likes
Logan Browning no Sidious is canonically Bane’s superior.
@@light687 again it's His OPINION he isn't rating them on their power but on how much he likes them
How dare you
So here's my head cannon of force power
Theoretical Full Potential Anakin - 18 to 20
GM Luke - 15
Kyp - Between 12 and 15
Dark Empire Sidious - 12
RotJ Sidious - 11
Vader - 9
RotS Sidious - 10
Yoda - 10
Mace - 7
RotJ Anakin - 6 (normally) to 10 (when calling forth his potential)
Obi-wan Kenobi - 5
TPM Sidious - 9
Darth Plagueis - 9
Damn. These numbers are pretty close to my calcs.
Kyp is honestly the only Jedi I'd consider to be "overpowered", as in his level of power is way too high in comparison to his peers. Matching grandmaster Luke is honestly a bit too far IMO
Whoa... I'd like to see Kyp test his skill against the likes of Darths Malgus, Bane and Vader, if not Revan, Sidious and Krayt.
Kyp vs Revan and Kyp vs Krayt def intrigue me.
I don't think he is beating Sidious and Prime Krayt but the rest he ragdolls
@@newhybrid101 I think he could definitely beat Prime Krayt with difficulty. Sidious I don't know. GM Luke ragdolls Sidious, and it's implied that Kyp is comparable to Luke in terms of power, so I think Sidious wins, but Kyp has a solid chance.
Mostly fine with this video. Only major problems I had were the implication that Kyp was on par with Luke because of the dovin basil feat when Luke was notably exhausted at the time yet still managed to carry out an arguably better version of the feat along with the idea that DE Luke was on par with DE Sidious because he landed a Force push on Sidious when the latter was caught off guard and defeated him in a duel when Leia was providing him with an amp via battle meditation.
Also the assumption that the gravity wells produced by the dovin basils ( I.E. artificial black holes ) function in the same way that real life black holes do. Something that's rather unlikely since it's implied that only strong dovin basils are able to affect a moon yet even the smallest are far bigger than a coin.
"During a Yo’Gand’s Core maneuver, a strong dovin basal was dropped to the surface of a planet, where it latched onto the planet’s core and simultaneously grabbed an orbitting moon with it’s gravitic beam" - The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia.
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Aside from that, the analysis was decent with a few notable exceptions here and there.
Kyp is always underrated by fans.
Pre-watch prediction: Durron wins overall via martial skill, despite Plagueis having both edges in physicality & force abilities (the latter being only minor).
Post-watch thoughts: For some reason, I thought it was Corran Horn who had the black hole manipulation ability, not Kyp. Plus, I thought this was gonna be like Plagueis v. Kenobi, only less contraversial (BTW, I agree with the final verdict of that video).
I never realized that Kyp's force strength was so... fan-fictiony.
He's proof that Mary Sues aren't just a Disney canon thing. At least his story is still a hundred times more interesting than Rey's.
@@wristofkings
Agreed. At least Kyp is still an interesting character.
@@wristofkings Kyp had to train to become such a powerful jedi so he is not a Mary Sue like Rey is. Not to the same degree at least. All his fits could be explained by his backstory while Rey insane powers are explain through her downloading Kylo Ren training by extracting his knowledge from his mind which is a very powerful ability to have for someone who hasn't been trained. In the Disney canon this level of mastery is explained by her unusual strong connection to the force but usually someone born with a strong force connection isn't overly surprised by his fits like Rey is because to him it feels natural. A good exemple of that would be Anakin piloting racing pods thanks to his jedi reflexes. The force help him perform his actions but he can't control it because he is unaware of its presence. On the contrary Rey is surprised by her piloting skills as if her force connection awakened only when the plot required it.
A tagteam match up I would love to see is Darth Bane and Zannah VS Kyle Katarn and jaden Korr
Kyle and Jaden win.
Absolutely loved this video kyp durron is my favorite Jedi and I knew the verdict would be kyp coming out on top!! thanks for the hard work Evan I remembered in your last ploo video I commented on you doing this kinda video and once you said it was in the making I've been anticipating it to drop I appreciate the content keep em coming force be with you man!
Kyp supremacy
This idea just occurred to me: Darth Plagueis vs Darth Nihilus: The one who could save others from death vs the one who ate a whole planet to satiate his hunger. 🤔
OMG The Promised Day has finally come!
Its been a long time since you last used Plague so interested in seeing how your analysis has changed.
Thank you so much for continuing doing what you do. My thoughts are below (and heads up, its long).
9:03 Wait are we talking Stepped Ladder, Return Stroke, or Dart Leader when referring to the speed of lightning?
12:29 Well if we are going by that logic, GM Luke can react in less than a nanosecond so Kyp contending indicates he has near equal reflexes which is superior to anything Plague has done.
17:40 This is just my idea, but it sounds like the 3 Rings of Defense is Niman but only focused on lightsaber combat. Balanced for any situation but with a bit more depth to it than Niman's blade work.
23:43 Totally agree with this. Plague is an excellent example of a reactive diplomat Niman user.
27:05 Plague's skillset doesn't work well in the std VS Series setup. His skillset is at optimal performance level when he has prep. If he has prep, then he can bring whatever optimal configuration of skills to bring down his opponents.
28:57 The power scaling is strong in this one.
33:15 Hmm...I would heavily disagree with this assessment but there is the elephant in the room that has to be addressed...hopefully latter.
35:53 Ok. Did not know Kyp has that ability. Thats really cool.
37:07 Childs play. Come on Evan, time to address the elephant in the room.
38:15 Well its about time we address this feat.
38:30 Yes. Yes. Yes!!! Time to finally discuss Kyp Durron's ability to manipulate artificially generated black holes.
39:20 lol. This is both a letdown and hilarious. Moving on. But yeah, Kyp at his prime is a solid comp to GM Luke in terms of raw power.
43:17 Want to know how to beat someone with insane force power? Hax. Lots of hax. Fortunately for Plague, Midi-chlorian manipulation is some top tier hax. To bad it requires prep which Plague doesn't have. RIP.
43:39 My opinion on this abilities effectiveness against force wielders is OHKO hax but requires a solid amount of prep.
45:20 Search your feelings, you know it to be true! Unless we have a physics major in the comments who can prove that Dovin Basals are psuedo black holes that dont follow the physics of actual black holes. Dont ask me to do it, I was a math major.
45:35 Top 20? Nah, in terms of force power Plague is #5 only losing out to Caedus, Sidious, Valk, and resurrected Darth Krayt.
46:35 An inequality statement makes me very happy. Even though I say in terms of force power DE Sidious and Kyp should switch places. Lets assume that Dovin Basal function like real life black holes. DE Sidious generated a wormhole larger than a ship sized Dovin Basal.
49:45 Thats actually a pretty huge power gap.
Unlike Kenobi vs Plague, I actually do agree with the idea of Kyp winning. Def a superior swordsman, can counter a lot of Plagues ability, Plague lacks prep, and Dovin Basal manipulation is nuts. My main gripe with your breakdown of Kyp is no mention of mind rube for Kyp or Sith Sorcery in general. As for Plague, solid improvement from your last video with the character though your lack of Plague's application of his force abilities for combat was not really there (unless I missed something of course).
However if Plague has prep, he wins. Bring in the exact alt weaponry for the job +midi-chlorian manipulation is some scary stuff. Great matchup, worth the wait, and looking forward to whats coming next Evan!
The only real thing I disagree with on here is that Dooku is much closer to Yoda than some would believe. As just the short bout they engaged in left Yoda out of breath, and Yoda was much slower on the draw with his abilities than the Count. Yoda is inarguably greater, but not so vastly that his apprentice couldn't contend. I mean . . . he and Windu are roughly equals. That said, I agree with most of your statements, and the verdict is pretty justified. Unlike the previous Versus video that involved Plagueis. I like Obi-Wan, but the New York minute Plagueis feels it's going on a little longer than he would enjoy, out comes the Force. It would almost be anti-climactic it would end so fast.
Darth plagueis was Darth Sidious master let’s not forget that he showed sidious everything that he knew and sidious was the most powerful sith lord ever but his master cannot win a V’s series someone have the power like sidious there master should be at the same level that sidious have I cannot understand that!!!!!
As far as Plagueis's ability to defend against lightning goes, it would explain why Sideous waited until he was asleep before zapping him.
Potential Versus Series
1.Wolf Sazen vs Jaden Korr
2. Antares Draco vs A Sharad Hett
3.Tulak Hord vs Darth Marr
4.Darth Malak vs Plo Koon
5.Darth Sion vs Inquisitor Jerec
6.Quinlan Vos vs Rahm Kota
7. Galen Marek vs Sylvar
8. Vindican vs Darth Krayt
9. Aryn Leneer vs Depa Billaba
10. Mara Jade vs Darth Plagueis
11. Qui Gon Jinn vs Ki Adi Mundi
12. Mace Windu vs Darth Malgus
13. Darth Marr vs Lord Hoth
14. Antares Draco vs Lucien Draay
15. Satele Shan vs Luminara Unduli
16. Darth Revan vs Kyle Katarn
17. Assajj Ventress vs Quinlan Vos
18. Darth Traya vs Yoda
19. Kreia vs Exar Kun
20. Marko Ragnos vs Freedon Nadd
21. Savage Opress vs K’Kruhk( I really like this one since it’s so even. K’KRUHK is a capable duelist and force user, but his greatest asset is his physical ability, like Savage. However Opress may have more raw potential, K’Kruhk has superior training and experience and can match Savage strength physically. This is in my opinion very similar to Anakin vs Obi Wan, as like Skywalker Opress has more raw power in the force and natural skill in lightsaber combat, we’re K’Kruhk has decades more training and experience, more emotionally balanced and more tactical in the use of his abilities.)
22. Galen Marek vs Kit Fisto
23. Agen Kolar vs Savage Opress
I do like quite a few of these. Tho Savage vs K'kruhk was done by GreyJedi91 and Vindican vs Krayt isn't even a contest.
Anakin Skywalker vs Mace Windu. It would be an interesting battle to watch.
First
Being a slave in a mining world seems to create the most powerfull force users of all time...
Can someone remind me the last time a sith lord triumphed over a jedi? was it 4 years ago when Dooku defeated Qui gon? or is there like a more recent video I'm missing? I"m not arguing with the result here, I'm just saying its getting easy to predict who wins these versus battles nowadays :)
Last one was Darth Bane vs Shaak ti
What about The calculated calm but over confident TPM Maul vs The aged yet more skilled TCW Maul
Having watched this series for a long time I have to say: my boy Darth Plagueis can’t ever seem to get a win
Jensaarai featured him against Vodo Siosk-Baas, whom he won against.
Plagueis operated in such a way where if he was ever in a straight up fight with another force sensitive something must have gone seriously wrong.
“Moved a black hole”
Eh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait! 😐
He did WHAT!? 😳
@AzureAmaterasu That was shatterpoint, not just smashing the armor.
Did you ever hear of the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
It's not a story the jedi would tell you
It's clear you're misinterpreting certain excerpts and concepts (see below)...
19:06, why are you emphasizing, "probing" the way you are? And of course Kyp would utilize less movement in deflecting than Luke would be in striking; it's kind of a given that it requires more movement to attack than to defend.
20:49, while yes, Tenebrous has no dueling feats, we have no good reason to NOT assume he's a master-level duelist given, in general, the Rule of Two Sith increased in skill and power with each generation, and Tenebrous was near the end of the Banite Sith line. Bane himself was a master of multiple forms, and I have confirmation from Drew Karpyshyn in an email that Bane would have instructed Zannah in familiarity with all the forms, not to mention Bane's holocron would have been passed down the line as well. (Side-note on Zannah: she's somewhat like Yoda in that, they're both knowledgeable of the other forms, yet they only ever use the one form that best suits them. Her knowledge of the other forms is more so to best combat them than to use them.)
Anyway, back to Tenebrous (and by extension, Plagueis)... we can also work backwards: we know a vast majority of Sidious' growth, especially in the blade, would have been, not between TPM and RotS, but under Plagueis' tutelage up to TPM. Thus, we can plenty reasonably glean that Sidious being a master of all 7 forms most likely came from Plagueis' instruction in them. Same trickles down backwards to Plagueis having most likely been a master of all 7 forms from Tenebrous.
So either end of the spectrum you look at it, either from Bane or from Sidious, the picture that's painted is that the likes of Tenebrous and Plagueis were indeed master duelists.
24:52, I don't know where you're getting, "often." This is merely one instance. And it wasn't to bewilder foes. Also, given the description, it's not that he's moving like a marionette, it's that he was controlling himself in a more passive, responsive way like a marionette, it's talking about him entrenching himself in Soresu. Check out other main examples of characters sinking solidly into Soresu; it's VERY similar. Check out Bane in PoD, in his fight against Kas'im, and Kenobi in likely numerous instances, but especially RotS.
25:46, I'll point out that Venamis scoring a hit on Plagueis happened specifically at the beginning of their fight. Once Plagueis went more all-out against Venamis, the disparity between them was clear enough.
28:07, well no actually, it's not just that simple. Yes, stormtroopers>smugglers, and Yuuzhan Vong>Maladian Assassins, however Plagueis' respective feats against non-Force-wielders are more impressive than Kyp's.
28:45, uh, wait a sec... DE Luke had a little more than just "minor assistance" in besting DE Sids in a duel. There were 2 main factors that existed in Luke and Sids' second duel that weren't in their first. In their first duel, Sidious had literally just entered one of his clone bodies, then quickly disarmed Luke. Mind you, Luke was trying to kill Sids, and Sids was NOT trying to kill Luke, so the disparity would be even greater. In their second duel however, Sids was rattled by essentially Luke pulling a reverse-Dun-Moch, and the 2nd and biggest factor was Leia. She was amping him rather significantly via force harmony, and I say "significantly" because Luke went from Sidious being able to best him while he himself was holding back, to being able to best Sidious with Sids going all-out against him.
So your scaling starting after 28:28 doesn't quite hold up. We ultimately have no accurate way to measure or gauge just how much Sidious grew in the interims between TPM and RotS, RotS and RotJ, and RotJ and DE, and Luke was DEFINITELY NOT yet even near Sids' level in DE. I'd wager it was closer to around the middle to the tail-end of the Yuuzhan Vong War when Luke had reached or surpassed DE Sidious.
While I do think too many people disregard sparring outright and don't give it the weight it's due, as it pertains to Luke and specifically the sparring match between Kyp and Luke, Luke's upper end exceeds Kyp's. Luke was holding back more than Kyp would have been. It's still a great dueling feat for Kyp nonetheless, but I think you might be trying to make it out to be a tad more impressive than it actually is. Again though, it is inarguably impressive. Out of everyone sparring in that excerpt, including Kyle Katarn, Kyp was the one who was sparring with Luke. It's clear enough, especially with other info we have on the matter, that Kyp was indeed among the premiere duelists of the NJO, and IMO, easily in the top 5, perhaps top 3.
30:39-30:51, 31:10, ok, but what exactly in the three rings of defense is there that wouldn't be in any of the 7 traditional forms and that would be something Plagueis wouldn't have an answer for?
Your conclusion that those who operate in combat like how Plagueis SEEMS to operate in combat, who rely on their vast knowledge-base to counter their opponents, face a notable disadvantage against the unknown and unfamiliar is a hasty conclusion. It'd be more accurate to say they face a notable disadvantage against what they have no answer for, which is honestly the case in general. There's nothing really in the 3 rings of defense that Plagueis wouldn't be able to answer. AT BEST you could argue that, if the two were to meet in combat, Plagueis would expect a Jedi like Kyp to utilize one or a combination of the 7 traditional forms of lightsaber combat, and then, when they would meet in lightsaber combat, Plagueis would be initially somewhat taken aback and surprised by Kyp's talent as a swordsman utilizing none of the 7 forms. To get back to my main point here though, again, there's nothing actually in the 3 rings of defense that Plagueis couldn't answer with any of the 7 forms.
Despite all the gripes I covered above, I do however agree, when comparing Plagueis to Kyp Durron, Durron is ultimately likely the superior duelist.
Plagueis could easily challenge any member of the NJO (minus Luke going all-out of course), but Kyp being among the very best duelists of the NJO edges him above Plagueis.
40:01, so this is the 2nd time you've brought the Luceno quote pertaining to Sidious vs. Plagueis, and, unless you have access to an audio-recording of James Luceno saying that quote, you're reading too much into the word, "may." I highly doubt Luceno's intent was to emphasize that Plagueis COULD POTENTIALLY have defeated Sidious. No, I think in this case, the truth very much lies in the entire package, with looking at things holistically: given the question he answered and of course, what his answer was to said question, it's clear enough Luceno favors Plagueis beating Sidious as of that time period. That said, for all intents and purposes, we should have Plagueis~TPM Sidious.
43:58, careful. You're misreading/misunderstanding the text again. The quote is "all but atomized," not truly/literally atomized.
46:34, um... why do you have Kyp>DE Sidious???
Kyp DOES have more raw power than Luke can muster... NORMALLY. Luke however can enter Oneness as of I believe mid-late Vong War, and Luke in a state of Oneness is definitely > Kyp.
While Kyp's black hole feat is insanely impressive and easily one of the best force feats in all of SW, Plagueis also has one of the best feats in SW, though it comes with a giant tablespoon of salt:
With Sidious' aid (though I'm pretty sure this was Sidious about 10 years prior to TPM, so Plagueis would have been pulling most of the weight), Plagueis and his apprentice meditated for at least 2 months, and focused on the single task of overthrowing the will of The Force itself, and... succeeded; they managed to tip the balance of the Force in favor of the dark side. Obviously there are too many unknown factors to properly measure and compare this feat, like the exact amount of time Sidious and Plagueis spent on it, how much of their own power did their pour into it and how often, etc. And it goes without saying that it was done with Sidious' help. Still, as far as sheer scope and magnitude go, it's the biggest feat in the SW universe, easily. It eclipses even black-hole-manipulation, in terms of magnitude that is. Ultimately, I don't bring this feat up in some effort to truly compare it to Kyp's black hole feat; personally I don't think the Plagueis and Sidious vs. The Force feat CAN be truly compared to any other feat given its unknown factors. However, I did bring it up to illustrate that Plagueis is not out of his depth with Kyp in regard to insanely over-the-top force feats, and that the black hole feat should not be any kind of be-all-end-all argument against anyone of Plagueis' caliber.
That said, given feats we CAN actually better compare, it's clear Kyp is the superior. His knowledge of the Force and its uses may not be QUITE as extensive as Plagueis', but in regard to applicable raw power, the feats and even accolades do very much suggest he's Plagueis' superior... in just about every way except their respective species' biological advantages.
I think I mentioned it in your last video, but I've definitely noticed an improvement overall in your analyses for these videos over the years. Obviously they're still flawed, but they're significantly better than your earlier videos. Keep up the good work!
I agree with a lot of this. I would say that the claim that Kyp has more raw power than Luke can muster is suspect.
I’ve always thought Anakin vs Revan would be a good matchup
Austin Preble I think Revan would win mostly due to his tactical prowess, but it would be a relatively close fight because of Anakin’s raw power
Austin Preble Revan would rail Anikin
Revan is hella overrated imo. He is Vader tier at best based on his (practically non existent) feats.
Anakin gets the physical edge. Revan was a pretty average sized guy who doesn't have any particularly impressive strength or speed feats, at least not anything beyond what would be expected for a trained force user. Anakin on the other hand was a 6'2 beast of a man with a metal arm and was both a powerhouse in terms of strength and was easily one of the fastest Jedi of his era
Anakin also gets the duelling edge. Revan has been confirmed by Drew Karpynshyn to be an inferior duelist to Malak, who doesn't really have any impressive dueling feats. Anakin on the other hand is superior to Dooku and overall just seems to have put more effort into his martial arts training than Revan has. Plus, I don't think Revan's mix of Niman, Shien and Shii-Cho could really hold up against Anakin's brutally effective hybridised Djem So and Ataru offence
The force advantage is a little trickier. While Anakin has more raw power and far more impressive TK feats, Revan has a much more well rounded arsenal of force abilities and has been shown to be more creative in implementing them into his fighting style, wheras Anakin was often a bit too straightforward in his force abilities. I'd give Revan the force edge overall
Revan's biggest advantage is his tactical intelligence. If he can goad Anakin into making a mistake and then take advantage of it with his force abilities, then Revan wins. If Revan fails to do this and ends up in a straight up fight against Anakin with nowhere for him to run, Revan gets beaten into the dirt like Dooku did in ROTS
So honestly, it could go either way.
Potential versus videos:
Rey vs Reality
Finn vs Friend Zone
George Lucas vs Bob Iger
Palpatine vs Life
I honestly don't think I've ever seen a versus video where Plagueis wins.....
But plaugeis was a master at unarmed combat.....a grandmaster at that.
can you make one of yoda,mace windu,count dooku vs qui gon jinn,obi wan kenobi,anakin skywalker
Hey evan , I've been viewing your videos for some time. You are one of the best in terms of star wars lore. I hope you see my comment and maybe get a response from you. Keep this good content going and may the force be with you. Solid my brother.
Great video. It didn’t seem very close. Plaugeis being a Muun was like his one advantage lol
Darth Venamis vs Quigon Jinn. Ki Adi Mundi vs Antares Draco. Darth Baras vs Darth Plaguies. Kit Fisto vs Galen Marek. Lucien Draay vs Quinlan Vos. Aryn Leneer vs Starkiller( clone).
Darth Plagueis : the Sith sorcerer with a deep love for science and the etherial.
Essentially he's a mad scientist who aimed for political control mixed with the scaling of life and immortality .
He's basically Merlin had become a mix of a Jedi counsellor & Sith sorcerer with the personality of a roman emperor.
Kyp Durron ; The broadened Jedi Counsellor who had the strength, skill and pragmatism of the Guardian branch.
His technical skill of the blade is a unique blend of Dooku's precision and Anakin's intensity mixed in
the light side's equivalent of Bane's Power and knowledge of the force , just shown in a very Jedi way like Mace Windu.
A’Sharaad Hett vs Darth Azard. Jaina Solo vs Darth Malgus. Darth Sion vs Darth Marr. Xanatos vs K’kruhk. Lucien Draay vs Agen Kolar.( a nice sequel to your Lucien Draay vs Eeth Koth I feel, since Kolar replaced Koth). And the peace de resistance: Sora Bulq vs Darth Maul( tcw). Two warriors of council level and part of some of my favorite Star Wars stories. ( I actually really like tcw, but I think part of the reason why is that the retcons rarely affected my favorite characters. Except making Maul’s tattoos into night brother markings ( THEY ARE SITH TATTOOS DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!) and rewriting the Star Wars republic comic into the dark apprentice.( sigh... One of the best Star Wars stories turned into the worst tcw story ever. ( though I actually liked the romance between Ventress and Vos, the rest of the book is garbage.))my favorite characters have remained intact. Hell, Kit Fisto and Plo Kun( my two fav clone wars Jedi) actually had some of their best showing in tcw. The worst retcons to me didn’t occur until Disney took over and anything that wasn’t already Disney was shown the door. ( Almost all of the darkhorse comics, The Force Unleashed ( my favorite Story in the franchise) Darth bane trilogy, Darth plagues book, the old republic game and tie in material, Star Wars Legacy ( second favorite story in the franchise) and the amazing 2003 micro series( especially the first 22 episodes! They don’t contradict any tcw and have some of the best scenes ever!!!!! I admit it stinks tcw would’ve retconed 23-25 anyway, but none of my favorite parts happened there so it didn’t really bother me.) sorry bout that, with the rise of Skywalker getting closer I’m getting touchy about liking tcw for some reason.
Well, this was unexpected! A very good match indeed! I was wondering when the next matchup would be released, and you did not disappoint!
Kyp does seem like an extremely dangerous threat indeed. I never knew he could manipulate a black hole or use the Aura of Uneasiness, even if the black hole is artificial.
The only thing I would change would be the wording on his ability to adapt when dropped into fights cold. I tend to get the idea that he is capable of being dropped in cold in a physical sense by someone else, rather than the fact that he can adapt to any situation and make good decisions when he is forced to fight unexpecetdly. Still, I do understand what you meant though.
The discussion on their force abilities after the comparison on them was interesting. I never thought Kyp surpassed Plagueis when it came to telekinesis, so I was honestly caught out there. Very good match again!
Ok Evan, I got some REALLY good versus series ideas for ya that you will certainly like since they'd be quite interesting to do for a few videos...
Darth Revan vs Darth Nihilus
Darth Krayt vs Darth Revan
Cad Bane vs Komari Vosa
Komari Vosa vs Asajj Ventress
Darth Malgus vs Darth Sion
Darth Sion vs Darth Bane
Darth Maul vs Durge
Kyle Katarn vs Atton Rand
Starkiller/Galen Marek vs Kyle Katarn
Ahsoka Tano vs Starkiller/Galen Marek
and especially...….
Desaan vs Kylo Ren/Ben Solo
Revan
Krayt
Cad Bane
Malgus stomps
Bane stomps
Maul
Kyle
Starkiller
Starkiller stomps
Eh?
This is who I am Desann is one of the Dark Jedi from the video game Jedi Outcast II.
You really think Maul could beat Durge? You know who and what that character is, right? In a fight on neutral ground, Maul doesn’t exactly have a way to kill Durge. The latter is of a race called the Gen’Dai that has insane regeneration properties (essentially making him the Star Wars equivalent of Deadpool), and has survived a lot of things that most species wouldn’t be able to. Durge has been buried alive for 60 years, has come back from lightsaber dismemberment, survived being burst apart by Obi-Wan Kenobi from within, and lacks most vital organs that most species need to live. Anything short of completely vaporizing Durge won’t do shit to him. What can Maul do in that regard? Exactly.
Well thanks for letting me know about the Ahsoka v Starkiller versus vid, I honestly had no idea
ShadeOfEclipse Where’d your response to me go? I got it in my inbox, but it’s not showing up for me in this thread. I didn’t see anything you said past the mention of Maul fighting a Wampa and a Yuuzhan Vong Warrior.
@ANTHONY THOMAS Thanks but I've already just watched the vid actually :)
Mixed-frustrated feelings on this one. I didn't know Kyp, feel he's a little over done as a character. Though admittedly I have a Pleagueis bias. It's like he wasn't going to get anything done in this fight.
im curious, in your mind what is the difference between TPM Darth Sidious and ROTS Darth Sidious? thats probably the one point about the logic in this video i couldn't understand
Over a decade more of practice and development I would imagine.
@@tiredjediknight3110 sidious became more powerful and nearly maxed out his abilities not completely but his immense raw power allowed him to blitz the team. After rots he studied force storms which he fully developed at dark empire he always had learning to do despite his enormous power.
Notification squad !!!
what about Aayla Secura vs. Ahsoka Tano? :D (no sex sells intended)
Kyp Duron vs Darth Malgus sorry if I miss-spelled anything.
I looooove these verses series 🤘🤘
Me too
Cade Skywalker Vs Anakin Skywalker
Shaak TII Vs Darth Malak
Satele Shan Vs Jaina Solo
Rahm Kota Vs Tholme
Darth Revan Vs Exar Kun
Anakin Skywalker Vs Ulic Quel Droma
Oppo Rancisis Vs Vodo Siosk Boss
Mace Windu Vs Darth Bane
Darth Maul Vs Galen Marek Vs Asajj Ventress
Darth Krayt Vs Jaina Solo
Mace Windu Vs Kyle Katarn
Darth Vader Vs Darth Bane
Darth Caedus Vs Darth Tyranus
I do like most of these, but gonna answer in brief:
Anakin 7.5/10
Malak 6/10
Jaina 8/10
Kota 6.5/10 (Tholme likely survives either way)
Kun 8/10 (later versions of Revan close that gap a bit)
Anakin 9/10 (Exile Ulic gets stomped)
That one goes either way
Windu 8.5/10 (Orbalisk Bane improves that to about 6/10)
Hmm... I'd favor Maul or Marek in that clusterfuck
Reborn Krayt 7.5/10
Windu 8.5/10
Vader 6.5/10 (Reverse that for Orbalisk Bane)
Caedus 7.5/10
I really love you channel and seeing a new video from you always makes me smile 😃
Is it just me , or is every jedi of the New Jedi Order just extraordinary powerful ,
yet reading the NJO Series ( in which i highly recomend, it took the better part of this year up to recently )
i do feel comfortable ranking the jedi masters of the era
GM Luke Skywalker
Kyle Katarn
Jaina Solo
Kyp Durron
Caedus / Jacen Solo
Mara Jade Skywalker
Corran Horn
disagree or agree , i would appreciate feedback.
I do feel that Kyp durron is more powerful than kyle katarn but that's just me.
Sylvar vs Arryn Leneer. Sairi Tachi ( obi wans Ex) vs Ayala secura. Ulic Qel Droma vs General Grevious. Lucien Draay vs sylvar. Depa billaba vs Arryn Leneer. Tholme vs K’kruhk( clone wars).
Leneer
No idea
Grievous
Draay
Good fight, likely Billaba
Tholme
Is Kyp Durron Council level or Grandmaster level in terms of Lightsaber skill, Tactical sensibilities, and use of the Force? I'm so confused.
Grandmaster. High level grandmaster prob, mid level on a couple things maybe.
Dark Empire Sideous was weaker than RotJ Sidious, Dark Empire had bonkers feats but was weakened by the form shifts, so e6 Sidious power scales above those ridiculous feats.
@AzureAmaterasu he gained access to the jedi archives, was able to further obtain sith artifacts & was able to directly stretch his powers across the force without hiding them putting his capacity to the test & it can be assumed pushng his limits even further after that, he wasn't just ruling during all those years of empire, at the time of the ahsoka novel the entire force felt like a great dark shadow due to the dominant power of Sideous by that time, and that's just from new canon, though it's drawn from things implied from direct film/novel sources & the plaugeus novel, Sideous never really showed off much of his power pre dark empire/upcoming episode 9, but the extent of his capability during the empire period based on power scaling alone is ridiculous, & his power sits like some immence iceburg in the force mostly hidden but noted by other characters in the sources that do exist, as well as being implied by sideous himself when refering to himself & acknowledged by Lucas when asked about it. Sideous's position in the universe is to be the strongest Sith, one who has mastered the abilities of all who came before & surpassed them, & his self in Dark Empire is him attempting to get back to where he was prior to being destroyed by Vader & being stopped by Luke, implying the past him was stronger & had the same abilities as shown there hidden & unused. One of the quotes on why he wanted the Death Star/a planet killer was to be a surrogate him within the empire military so that he wouldn't have to bother with the Empire & could focus on total dominance over the force & even further growing his power, which implies he already had planet killer capacity himself and was pushing to build something so ridiculously over the top that had to be invented first & then built at massive expense because he was looking to get to where the empire had tech at his level, :/ I don't remember whether that was new canon or eu, iirc it was from either a thrawn novel or comic or from a conversation with vader.
Cade skywalker vs Anakin Skywalker
Anakin but good fight.
Good and iteresting video EvanNova, Is it possible to use Anakin Solo? Also based on this video, someone should ask Luke Skywalker (GM) vs Kyp Durron (I personally belive Luke would and should win).
GM Luke would be the victor here. Tough fight but he's got all the tools he needs to defeat Kyp.
I don't see why the Council Forcecast members wouldn't be able to use Anakin Solo. If they can use Jaina and Jacen/Caedus I fail to see why they wouldn't be able to use him and I definitely think they should it just a matter of who he would put up against. Plus much like his siblings, there is plenty of material on Anakin Solo to create a script.
Count dooku vs darth caedus I consider them equals
With the feats of Durron, Kyp going toe to toe with GM Luke is somewhat suspect because this is an injured Luke and he was dueling Kyp and another master at the same time. Plus Luke's duel with Jacen is quite circumstantial due to Luke's injuries vs. Lumiya that made him not 100% and then being poisoned and the environmental edge Jacen had.
That all being said I am so glad to have you back Evan. Great video as always.
The duel with Caedus is circumstantial yes but Caedus was the one suffering under more disadvantages not Luke.
@@tiredjediknight3110 Disagree but we've had this conversation before.
@@zenethis92 that's fair if that's your opinion, where may I ask have we had this conversation previously? Your name seems familiar but I can't remember when we discussed it before.
@@tiredjediknight3110 we had a similar discussion about that duel maybe a year ago?
Second
0:31 Han Solo is my daddy.
Tulak Hord vs Darth Krayt or Tulak horde vs Darth Sideous
Yes!!
Skywalker battle royale:
Anakin (ROTS) vs Luke vs Jacen/Darth Caedus vs Cade
Maybe as a season finale?
Luke>Caedus>Anakin>Cade
I think Cade is overall better than Anakin.
When are you going to use 'Set Harth' in a versus series? If so, who'll he pitted against?
Johnc he'll probably do either Zayne karrick or aayla secura.
@@judeskater93 Karrick would be easy prey for Harth, Aayla could give him a decent fight.
@@wristofkings Nah, Karrick wins via hax. Agree that Aayla vs Set Harth would be a good matchup.
@AzureAmaterasu Zayne's hax is supernatural luck.
@AzureAmaterasu Kind of. Except Zayne is justified because its an actual unique ability he has, Jar Jar is pure plot armor.
Glad to have you back.
Yoda vs Lord Hoth or Zannah vs Plagueis
How about Warb Null vs. Darth Vader.
EvanNova95 have u ever thought about redoing ur first star wars versus video given what is known about ahsoka now vs back then?
Darth Sion vs Darth Bane. Luke Skywalker ( dark empire) vs Cade Skywalker. Antares Draco vs Luminara Unduli. A’Sharad Hett vs Agen Kolar . Darth Marr vs Arcann. Kit Fisto vs Darth Azard. Jaina Solo vs Darth Vader ( pre cyborg) sora Bulq vs Galen marek. Quinlan Vos vs Antares Draco. Padawan Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Maul (tpm). Jango Fett and Embo vs Kir Kanos and Ruhk.
Inquisitor Jerec vs Darth Zannah
Sedriss vs sora Bulq. Quinlan Vos vs Darth Wredd. Darth Vader ( pre cyborg) vs Lucien Draay ( I feel that Anakin’s dueling skills are too refined for Draay to find flaw in while he’s a Jedi , but at the beginning of his sith career he was even more unstable and prone to make openings for Draay and I feel it’s a more even contest.) general Grevious vs Sedriss. Padawan Anakin Skywalker vs Luke Skywalker ( rotj) Darth Azard vs Quinlan Vos. Kit Fisto and Quigon Jinn vs Lucien Draay and Antares Draco. Arcann vs Darth Bane. A’sharad Hett vs Darth Maul ( phantom menace) Jaden Korr vs Arryn Leneer. Wolf Sazen and Shado sado vs Anakin and obi wan ( aotc) bultar swan vs Starkiller ( clone) the grand inquisitor( rebels) vs Padawan obi wan kenobi. Ashoka Tano ( rebels) vs Quigon Jinn. Darth Venamis and Embo vs Darth Azard and Kir Kanos. Kit Fisto vs Galen Marek. Count Dooku vs Luke Skywalker ( dark empire) yeah Luke has an obvious advantage, but it’s the difference between anakin and dooku in attack of the clones, not enough to make it a curb stomp. Plus dooku’s fighting style isn’t something like was used to fighting against, even if he had an intellectual understanding of the style.
. Battle of the Wounded Warriors (Alema Rar vs Wolf Sazen.) Both have engaged with some of the best of their eras and equities themselves well and lived to fight another day even when they lost. I think it’s a fun match up myself.(I got the title from fellow TH-camr wristofkings)
Seth Harth vs Ahsoka Tano
Lord Scrounge vs Darth Malgus
Revan vs Exar Kun
Luke Skywalker vs Lord Vitiate
Darth Marr vs Darth Vader
Grand Inquisitor vs Lord Momin
Darth Venamis vs Darth Maul ( phantom menace). A lot of people tell me that Venamis doesn’t have enough feats, but the fanalysis council has never let limited appearances that stop them from making a video. You even point out that Venamis is of council level caliber, so I know this match would work in you capable hands.( let me wipe the brown from my nose real quick.)
Ok so definitely not gonna argue Venamis not being in the league of Luke. However, he was trained his whole life (may have been a clone of his master) to specifically defeat Plagueis. To be specifically tailored against him. And all he accomplished was a glancing blow and just irritating Plagueis (which is also mentioned) before Plagueis basically ramped it up and gave him the business Sidious style. Again, not arguing the comparison, but I think it's a lot closer than Kyp just flat out smoking him in sabers.
Well, now youve done it. We need a top 10 force feats in the history of starwars.
Suggestions in no order;
Tenebrous midichlorian mastery
Palpatines covert life in the presence of the jedi for 30 years.
Exar kuns supreme revival of sith sorcery
Kip durrons black hole move
Vaders force enhancement keeping him alive
Jania solos black lightning
Andeddus immortality
Ect...
How about Kyp Durron vs Darth Caedus? Or Kyp Durron vs Kyle Katarn? Or ranking of NJO Jedi?
Hello Evannova95! I am a big fan of yours and I plan on eventually doing a TH-cam channel based on Star Wars versus series videos too! I was wondering about something though. I came up with a trio called "The Butchers" this team consists of Darth Bane, Darth Malgus and Darth Vader and I was wondering in your opinion which three Jedi would be capable to defeat this group?
Who changed it from Hego to Hugo?