Did aliens seed life on Earth? | Brian Keating and Lex Fridman
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Brian Keating is an experimental physicist at the UCSD, author of Losing the Nobel Prize, and host of the Into the Impossible podcast.
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Interesting interview. Thanks. It reminds me of this quote from Marshall Summers about the origin of life on Earth: ""Intelligent life was seeded in your world. This was a gift from the Greater Community. It was a gift of greater intelligence so that your ancestors could accelerate their development within a relatively short period of time. This gave birth to the modern human race as you know it now. Intelligence was seeded in a few places and then it dispersed throughout the world."
Thank you Will
This understanding you share here is in stark contrast to an Adam & Eve story. Interesting perspective. I will think on this thank you.
Wow, that answers a lot of questions. It helps me put things together. Thank you.
LEX if you see this, please have Dr James Tour on your show. He's one of the top synthetic chemists in the world, and he loves to discuss the origin of life. It'd be awesome to see you two have a conversation.
I'm not saying it was aliens but...
It was aliens.
Only time intelligent design is compelling. Thanks aliens
May i ask - why do we need a jupiter as the man says?
@@nofurtherwest3474 I believe Jupiter has enough gravity to attract nearby asteroids and comets that would, without Jupiter, crash into Earth.
@@dgreen8388 thanks
The aliens must laugh at our expensive Fiji water.
fascinating conversation, just one thing i wanted to point out
He mentioned how we need whales to have oil to make solar panels but actually the vast majority of oil is from single cell life that formed massive thick mats over millions of years, not just dinosaur bones
He knows that. Lay people think it was dinosaurs.
Do you know - why did we need a Jupiter for life?
@@nofurtherwest3474 its gravity helps stop Earth being bombarded.
@@eztyson really? from asteroids and meteors? it pulls them in?
We used whale oil for a very long time before we figured out how to use fossil fuels . Why do you think a lot of whale species were hunted to near extinction?
Is the Sperm Whale still around?
guessing he didn't exactly mean what he did when he said "we only know of one conscious being". it feels hard to argue that animals are not conscious at the very least
I was thinking the exact same thing.
we are also not the only intelligent species, we are the only one that is not comfortable in our habitat though and have the need to change it. Who has the intelligence again?
Yeah, I mean, it's just a plainly wrong statement. There are plenty of other animals that are definitely conscious. I'm guessing this guy doesn't have a dog or cat - observing them for at least 30 minutes would clearly reveal they are conscious, even if a lesser degree than humans are.
My own interpretation is that the more complex the intelligence the more complex and sophisticated the consciousness. Dogs aren't going to be conscious about the same things as humans, and will not have the same level of control over their instincts/animal nature. Still conscious though.
@@SnakeHelah what is this intelligence' you speak of?
My cat is more intelligent than any human i know.
Look at us all working our ass's off when every other species is comfortable in their own habitat.
Intelligent, def not humans
Love the show Lex. Inspires me to keep working on my own, and the intrigue keeps my mind working while healing! Thanks and keep it up! Great work! Legit Cool guests!
Keep at it bro. This time next year you can have 20 subs. Hustle
Love that break down.. one of my favorite questions is. How many dinosaurs does it take to drive a mile?
Fossil fuel is actually algae not dinosaur dust.
@@Ravishrex1 Primarily
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"We only know of one conscious life form..." That seems to contradict what Nagel was talking about with his treatise on being a bat.
These goofball think humans are the only conscious beings? 😆
Lex really needs to get Matt Bellamy from the band Muse on his podcast. This episode was fascinating, and a lot of these themes sound like Muse songs. And Lex loves guitar, piano and is Russian, Matt Bellamy is one of the most creative guitar players ever, an amazing piano player, and a Rachmaninoff fan. The amount of themes they could go over is crazy.
Seconded! I 100% agree on Matt Bellamy being on the podcast.
If you get Matt Bellamy you might as well get Bill Bellamy too 🤣
The "rare earth hypothesis" is very interesting and one of if not the best fermi paradox explanation.
Personally I think the dark forest theory of the Fermi Paradox is most likely. It's also one of the more terrifying theories.
I just think its more likely that other civilizations dont give a shit about us 😂 ufos are here already
@@librajedi Yes the "dark forest" theory is definitely terrifying!
Ok but who seeded the aliens? Where did the first “seed” come from?
It came from space fusion. It's a natural phenomenon explained by the theory of everything.
@@TonyVega123 And where did space come from?
@@SteviePaints Space came from singularity. It has often been referred to as The Big Bang. God, doesn't anybody read a book around here!!!!???
@@TonyVega123 one more sheep who believes in the Big Bang Theory 🤣 You must believe in the evolution theory too? 🐒
@@fckingglobalists2392 The theory of evolution is a fact. Let me guess, you believe some guy in the sky created everything? lol
Loving all these clips. I need to watch this whole convo
I agree with Cronin. His assembly theory is also brilliant. I also believe evolution and natural selection is engrained in everything, including stars,planets,galaxies and even the universe itself.
Humans: "Did aliens seed human life?"
Aliens: "Did alien aliens seed alien life?"
Alien aliens: "Did alien alien aliens seed alien alien life?"
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Exactly. The question just puts the inevitable answer back one level.
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Gotta bring the crimson chin on more often, didn't know he was into the aliens
This guy lost all (update: some… I was feeling hasty originally when I saw it but it was right at the beginning of this segment which didn’t bode well for me!) credibility for me when he said “we only know of one conscious life form, right?”
No, not right haha. If we’re talking philosophically then we can’t even confirm anyone but ourselves is conscious, but consciousness is clearly prevalent in varying degrees across many living organisms, arguably even including plants based on recent research.
Animals act with instinct. They don't question themselves or their environment.
@@ziggs123 seriously, that’s what you think? All you need to do is scratch the surface of a vast body of evidence to realise that it’s not binary like you put it.
Just because Homo sapiens are the only species we currently know to have evolved modern language (only relatively recently, mind you) doesn’t mean we’re the only beings that are conscious. And as I alluded to if we go to extremes we can’t even prove any human but ourselves is “conscious”.
It obviously depends on how we define “consciousness” but to me at the most fundamental layer it’s when a group of atoms forms a sufficiently complex structure such that it becomes able to interpret information from, and react to, its environment. The more complex this ability becomes, the more conscious the being (mostly).
@@ziggs123 what is instinct but the product of millions of years of complex evolution?
I guess you don’t live with animals
@@badbeetle2942 that’s also a really good point because so many animals are brimming with what we call personality, behaviour that doesn’t meet with reason and is unpredictable. We’re not even touching on dolphins, orca, octopi, or many others of a plethora of vastly intelligent, deeply aware species.
Orca have been proven to have two components on their mammalian brains responsible for emotional intelligence that is more advanced than in any other species, including humans. They communicate but are restricted by their environment in ways humans are not. Orca families speak their own languages and have cultural differences that lead to violence in captivity.
The only way we built all these anthropomorphisms is by benefiting from tools and our improved ability to pass information from generation to generation, because we live on land.
Even human serial killers follow identical patterns to great white sharks. One thing I don’t think is good about our intellectualism is the propensity people have to be magnanimous about consciousness, without realising the sheer amount of bias involved in arriving at that conclusion.
They are interdementional beings who look human but are a bit larger.
Life is just physics and chemistry. We are a combination of molecules which no doubt can be replicated countless times in what is likely an infinite universe.
He's right.
Panspermia works with creationism, once the time variation is accounted for. What is One Day if an entity exists outside the universe?
So while the universe took seven days, seven days could be 12billion years.
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That part about needing fossil fuels, is dinasours and mega fauna as a precursor fundamental to progress life was profound.. As the human condition definitively was excellorated from the exploration of fossil fuels. But who knows perhaps hydrogen and electric concepts may have progressed sooner if we hadn't discovered fossil fuel types? Still very thoughtful to consider fossil fuel (previous living material) as a precursor to advanced life. I would go so far as to say communication would be a key component to advancing any civilisation but that's probably a bit off track.. doing a great job Lex
We know as a matter of objective fact that plants and animals exhibit a shockingly large amount of morphic variation dependant on where it is located. The nearly overwhelming likelihood is that the substrate of life, whatever that is, came here from elsewhere whether intentionally (and this is the case [future spoiler alert]) or by happenstance. So, Earth was seeded and all that has ever come from that germination is what this planet with its make-up and its geological and astrophysical histories could produce. Run it all over again and you'd get roughly the same output.
Possible clean sweep of the alien question without all the details: why do I think that theres technological life elsewhere in the universe? Easy...there's one right here called Earth. If it happened here, it could happen anywhere. Especially as old as the universe is. Nothing has happened once other than perhaps the big bang, and even then how would we know ..
We were seeded for sure. Egypt. Mayans. We were definitely lead.
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What's the likelihood of a cephalopod class achieving a technological civilization? After all, the octopus has 8 arms with 8 minibrains and a central brain.
Well, fire for using an engine to beat the planets gravity would be pretty hard underwater I'd imagine. 🤣
@@jonhall2274 I think that would be a definite limitation. Imagine whales building intergalactic spaceships as happened with Star Trek.
no humans from the future did using a special kind of light wave
temporal retro-causality
If animals aren’t conscious then what’s wrong with torturing them?
Cause they are sentient...they feel pain just as much as us
You're mixing up consciousness and sentience.
@@ashcosmo3854 if it avoids stimuli to self preservate then stop poking it
@@ashcosmo3854 what’s the difference ?
@@liteviews4493 what’s the difference?
Planets like earth are common in the universe, and the more we look out at stars like our own we discover planets orbiting them that have characteristics like earth. Life is also probably common, that’s because almost as soon as earth cooled off enough for life to emerge on earth it did so, and we have evidence of life as old as 3.6-4b years old, while our planet is only 4.5b years old. Planets like Jupiter are also not uncommon, and the shear vastness of space makes setups like our own, here in our solar system not rare. Also intelligent life didn’t just happen once, we see Neanderthal art and Jewelry in caves that are 70,000 years old. We’ve found denisovan art that is over 100,000 years old on bone fragments. So to say intelligent life, or creative life like we find with modern homosapiens is a rare thing, is just pure nonsense. It arose rather quickly in terms of the age of the planet, and the shear vastness of species found on earth from the beginning of life on earth till now is incalculable. Life is common, intelligent life is common, and it is quite likely that humans are quite average in terms of everything we do in relation to other intelligent species that have evolved on other planets. There is absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise, and to say that there is some statistical probability related to some event making it less likely for life to have arisen on earth in the way that it did, you need to remember that life may exist in forms that are currently unknown to us, and that just because it evolved on earth under these conditions, it does not preclude the fact that life could exist under conditions that are alien to us.
How long did it take between the origin of life and the emergence of consciousness?
100,000 years of intelligent life is a blip in cosmological timescales. The dinosaurs were on earth for 1000x that, and we’ve come close multiple times in the past 100 years to completely annihilating ourselves, not good odds we’ll survive anywhere near as long as the Dino’s.
Life isn't common. We are all in part of the same DNA tree. The fact that non DNA based life never formed further speaks to our uniqueness. And as far as the uniqueness of humans, I recommend you research Wallace's problem and Stanford Dr. Robert Sapolski's lecture on whether humans are just another ape
i find it odd that it only happened once though
I don't think intelligent life emerged 2 times with modern humans and Neanderthal, intelligent life emerged once in the common ancestor and then just evolved in several different directions
Ya a good way of looking at it. However, chemistry might be quite different among the stars. Elements that we don't even know about may exist elsewhere allowing a different sort of evolutionary path. There is no real precedent that says technological life has to follow the same sort of path that we did. For example a progression from the steam engine to say the type of engines we have now could be very different elsewhere. Maybe another race completely bypassed the earlier stages and went right to interstellar flight based on elements available in their solar system or galaxy? We assume that just because they can travel in an interstellar way they are smarter or more advanced than us. Not necessarily so.
Exactly, they get here and marvel at a lighter
if Tesla had his way and built his free electricity system, we would not have wifi today
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In an Infinite & Eternal Universe, you are both Impossible & Inevitable.
People talk about terraforming. Once we go to the Moon and Mars, we may need to terraform both, to improve living conditions. What if the ancestors who left earth in previous cataclysmic events, (that we call aliens, ) what if the whole solar system was designed as an experiment.
Ask Dr. James Tour
Brian is right, on the whole we’re a destructive species, anything is fair game if it can be monetised. Can’t even look after the life we have here on earth, terminally sad.
LEX , smacks hand on desk, I NEED an explanation of this. IF gravity propagates at the speed of light, and the universe is expanding at that same constant(or faster according to some physics) , how the hell do we see ANYTHING? Would it not be moving away faster than we can see?
If expansion is increasing, and considering some physicists believe the laws of physics might be different 92billion Ly away in different parts, DO YOU SEE MY POINT? YOUNG physics student here and even I see all the above contradiction. Seti is useless, OR, space does NOT work how we think? Is that why the wild physics of today are entertaining consciousness?
Because smart guys KNOW something don't add up? None of it adds up?
For anyone with no physics, what I'm saying is it would be impossible to see anything because it's ALWAYS ahead of us in spacetime......my head hurts. Help.
Maybe to achieve a technological species as we know ourselves does require a moon, dinosaurs, etc. but perhaps that’s irrelevant if sentience is the unifying factor, so who cares the expression so long as sentience manifests?
Thank you Sir
It's possible were the first ones, and more than likely our life forms have made their way into space and have the potential for seeding somewhere else, I'm not sure how much material gets injected into space when an meteor hits but I would imagine it's been substantial over the history of the planet
The earth is demonstrably a successful garden. Every gardener knows there are a million reasons why gardens are not successful. Growing seasons, soil complexity, timing, pest control, water acidity, predator competition, wind, rain and a full agricultural science dedicated to understanding why seeds succeed gives insight into the challenges. Some say it's hubris to assume the earth is a singular event but it's also hubris to assume something this special is not special enough.
We're wailers on the moon. We carry a harpoon.
fun topic
Yes.
Theories make great tavern conversations. The mathematics from a synchronistic perspective is more than you can discuss.
Mystery is more valuable than beer talk.
If life didn't start on earth then our ideas of earth's primordial ooze concept might be wrong and if we new the actual right conditions then maybe it could be made in a lab
There's a damn good chance of it
Unless life spontaneously generated here like they thought in the old days.
We are animals just like every other animal on this planet. There are other animals besides ourselves that are self and community conscious
Yes I've known this for 25 years
One of my favorite Lex podcasts.
So your telling me that apes and certain primates aren't conscious??
With the math they always seem to assume there is only one event (chemistry) per planet. Seems a bit off.
Jupiter aliens watching this youtube video saying "wow".
Trying to figure out the process of life is literally trying to figure out God’s existence , trust me we are far beyond close to the truth for a reason 🌌
Yes and soon they will be back for the harvest .
If you have an infinite universe and infinite time then the 10^24th chance doesn't seem so large or unlikely.
I believe as conscious beings we were once a different elemental property of the universe to “evolve” into this life form, dna kind of explains something is going deeper than natural selection, nothing seems natural that a dog is a dog and a human is a human without explanation what we were before the now, trying to figure out what we are rn is trying to figure out what we were previously and what we will become after our death, did u know 97% of your dna is activated when you’re dying?, this “life”/ our biology may just be another process/attachment to another dimension, we might always be stuck in the present moment not even realizing we are in a new environment until we become conscious, think about it, babies aren’t as conscious as an adult until they grow into their environment, what is a new born baby experiencing and why don’t we remember and why by default is communication cut off!?!? That’s a clear hint about whats really going on with time/space....
But there might be more than one way to build a solar panel.
This planet, is but One of Many, where human hybrids are being Farmed.
it didnt originate on Earth otherwise it would have happened more than once in 4.5 B years
It wasnt seeded by anyone either bc where are the seeders
likely imo it originated in another system where there are more evolved suns that made all kinds of heavier elements. Thats my best guess
Human life did start on earth. God the Father put human beings here to love and serve him. We're not insignificant accidents of Evolution. We all have a special reason we're here.
So God wants us to be slaves ?? Haha get effed
@@jaciobe You are exactly that, these people literally worship a sociopathic entity and want to have a literal every check mark, checked for an abusive relationship with it.
They're so stupid, they don't even know they're stupid. It's just sad that kids are being taught this, and I think it's basically child abuse to *force* religion on a child.
@@jonhall2274 I agree.. its abuse on the world to even have religion.. as if a God would want us to beg it weekly .. how hard is it to justice decent and IF there is a God and it can't accept its creations( if it created us ) doing that.. then it's a useless God anyway
Despite your harsh arrogant words. It's not me who you're offending. It's God your Father. None of your excuses for not following him will matter in the end of your life. God loves you Brother Jacob. But he will punish you in eternity if you refuse to follow him.
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Hearing these 2 talking about how inanimate turns into animate make me think life is the result of energy transforming into consciousness
Matter is Energy so, you're right.
Arbitrarily chosen numbers don't hold much weight. JWST might help.
And some species that have been here forever are coming to the point of extinction in these days…
Humans are animals that adapt for survival. Its really that basic
Who killed the dinosaurs
Interesting thought experiment on Aliens that I’ve never heard discussed. We all know about time dilation with general relativity. With the “disclosure” if you will about the factuality of UFO’s. For arguments sake let’s assume the craft we are seeing on Earth are other worldly, wouldn’t we have to assume we are missing something about traveling great distances in the universe? A few reasons I say this. I’m assuming a technological Alien civilization is 1. Old, and 2. Very far away from us. I have a very hard time thinking that a conscious being would leave its home planet, if by the time “it” returned home it’s home civilization could be wiped out. What we see on video lends to this hypothesis because of the G forces that would be exerted on these craft with the maneuvers they have made. There has to be some anti gravitational technology that would insulate you from time dilation. Or creating your own bubble or warp of gravity or time space in order to travel great distances throughout the universe effectively.
You've never heard a discussion on aliens then. All of these questions are regularly asked, and are brought up.
Get out of your shell and do a little more educated digging, lmao.
has this really been the first time you have thought about this, Lex?
"I'm not actually an expert but ...",
then you should go study the innards of the Cell, DNA, proteins, amino acids, lipid membranes, energy complexes, redox centers, transport chains, proton gradients, geothermal vents, lightning strikes, cosmic radiation, rocks and clays, supernovas, intragalactic gas clouds ... and all the current theories on abiogenesis. And you should consider these possible underlying driving forces of the Universe: Energy capture and utilization, ever-increasing complexity and differentiation, localized reduction of entropy.
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we all from mars
If they did they should certainly be ashamed of the result.
You also have to have an agricultural revolution - never mind the plants nessesary for that . You need a stable climate. Paleo-climatologists say the climate was unusually stable 10,000 years ago.
Even then, what where the odds of the Scientific and Industrial Revolutions happening, those took about 9000 plus years after the agricultural revolution and very unique circumstances in Western Europe.
Have we found any skeletal remains fossils on Mars yet?
have we even dug a decent size hole there yet?
GET HOLD OF SADHGURU LEX. THE INDIAN MYSTIC.
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Humans thinking we are the only conscious life form on this planet is just dumb. Its just us thinking we are better than everyone else.
Earth is a BioDome
When I hear the Christian scientists talk about how many combinations of amino acids it takes to make just one protein, I start to think that maybe life started in a different iteration of the universe and at the end of the big snap or heat death, the last civilization uses its greatest technology to ejaculate life into the next multiverse
That’s what Roger Penrose suggested in his CCC (Conformal cyclic cosmology) model.
He also shared some of your views .
All though controversial I like that idea lol
There is nothing mysterious, magical or alien from the perspective of the universe.
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I brought my unicorn to the science fair but they wouldn't let it in because the science director said it didn't exist.
Lex asked pretty much the same questions over and over and over again these days
is it just me or the guest here talks like Quentin Tarantino.....
There's this thing called evolution. Stop forgetting about it
We know less than we though? My god my man to have an element that combines with another element that creates anti gravity is not enough for you? Ugh this stuff can be hard to watch because we are so set in our text books and laws as if our laws were not created by us? Yes we know less than what is possible and will continue to until we allow or minds to work as a coherent mechanism to find a way to engage with these ETs whom we simply keep ignoring and looking the other way. What I love about our current "woke" society is it now time. Our friends have decided to not let us ignore them as they are going out of there way to make it completely freaking obvious the time is near. We either get hip and get hip quick or get caught with our pants down like we most likely will.
Lex, please ask your guest if a human baby can take care of itself? The answer is no, so many species need a mother and a father. A mother that is at the age to conceive. I love science, but it's hard for people to grasp that god made us all, and it started with an adult.
Is it me or does this guy remind you of Cenk Uygur? Definitely a smarter nicer guy but quick glance they have some similarities.
there is a high mountain flower in Europe and in Peru is one too, they are perfectly same looking, both growed to essentially same plant, the fun part is they are not the same plant, they completely different group with different gene setting, so no, you dont get always some new version of life... physics makes stuff deterministic... even to make silicon life you need deterministic conditions... you should studie a bit biology and etnology... bunch of nonsense, cute tho :)
I think intelligence and perhaps even complex life requires certain conditions in order for synaptic functions to work. So you could in theory travel to stupidity and eventually paralysis / cell death.
@@andrewbrown6522 you a poet like lex, nice construct, actueally the flower case is real, and rly if you always xhange smth. you probably get not the right conditions which is strongly more likely then always a new life versions and settings, you csn be my pet tho and make nice poetic emotional constructs with your limbic system highjacking your cortex and miss use your cortex abbilities. :) is it so bad, when someone says smth is bullshit, when its bullshit, the problem with views is certain biologists physicist get a word out with some hypothesis so they get known like many worlds theory lol, which well respected physicist would describe as very unlikely, saying it polite, how many energ, would that cost rofl, same in biology... romantics and uneducated poets talking about dumm, s which try to make name for them self. Its more like this, not every new setting can create new versions of life, it would take different physics, since carbon, H2O, and what ever particle behaves, how it behaves, not to mention that you need different settings for life to emerge and other sett8ngs to let it evolve towards, like less acidic? pls think dont try so hard, looks like a level of chimps rather sad even the constructs are interesting its still only throwing a stone at the who moves out of the line of the heard.
@@miroslavjuris1426 At least chimps use punctuation.
Dude believes life could have evolved differently? Yet. Here on earth there is only one biogenesis. Why?
If it's so east to make a different species, well how come we cant even clone a different human? Or even a dam animal ,with out it being weird and sh*t.
I cant respect a grown man who wears an iWatch, wear a proper time piece brother.
You could stir the pot here and get 'Alien-Joe' to admit that sixty-two other planets were used for the seeding efforts on Earth.
Lex, get Richard Dolan on the podcast.
No.
You have no real way of knowing
Whatever religious book you're basing your "no" from isn't fact.
@@ashcosmo3854 dude I'm agnostic, ordained in the satanic temple, but still.. has nothing to do with religion and more to do with panspermia being more likely. And not alien created organism riddled meteorites either, you edgelord
@@beeyoudee212 Great. So you just believe your opinion on the origin of life more than Brian's. Sweet. Good counter points.
@@ashcosmo3854 fucks sake this is why you don't get invited to parties
The fossil fuel was probably the worst thing that could have happened to us. Our technology and way of life had so much potential if we just neglected most primitive source of making energy... burning things.
One of the most stupid things I've ever read, even on TH-cam.
@@khj5582 do explain. I doubt you have any good arguments, but I'll hear you out... Enlighten me
@@arthurcurry850 No, you are the one who must explain yourself. For example, which energy source(s) should humanity have chosen instead of fossil fuels, which has been, and still is, the driving force behind modern civilization? Also, explain how choosing this alternative energy source would have resulted in a faster advancement of human civilization.
The moment he said A LETTER FROM GOD, he lost all credibility. 😔 😟