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Thank you for this clear, easy to understand video. I converted mine today. My 14 foot Jon boat went from 6 Kts max (no plane) to 18 Kts. All for $400! Very much appreciated!
I love that you did this video! The part of AZ I live in has a hp limit of 10 hp. So I ordered the 9.9 and when I go to bigger lakes and rivers ill do the 20 hp thing and be much happier! Thank you!
You can also buy a 20hp and put 9.9 decals on it.
Thank you for this video! I think you just sold me on the 9.9 and the upgrade for sure! 👍🎣🎣
Thanks for both this and the Speed test video. Don't know Why anyone would give these a thumbs down?? You provide a Great Service. The 9.9 Allows access to limited H.P. Lakes as well. Love that your Son is there with you!
LaingEJ, Awesome video buddy.. Keep up the good work to educate rookies like me who is about to get his new outboard for the first time..
Found it very useful. I was leaning towards Merc 9.9 but I am now thinking of Mercury 9.9 due to it longevity and easy maintenance
Really appreciate your videos!!!! I’m ready to buy the 9.9 Suzuki for a newly purchased 13’ Saturn Azzurro Mare. Wanted to follow up and see how the 20hp conversion is doing.
Thank you, Rob
Doing great i go out with the 20hp option all the time.. i find it hard to step down to 9.9 😂
This is amazing. I just bought a new Mercury 2021 9.9 and will be in hour #2 of breaking it in this morning. I am blown away that horsepower can be doubled with such little effort!
How’d that work out for you?
This is a great public service! Really helpful video. Thanks for doing this.
You welcome. Glad it helped you. others have helped me i like to do the same
Thank you! Thank you! I ordered the parts in the video from the same place you got yours. Install was easy. Also changed to 11 pitch prop as you suggested in your other video. My 10’ Caribe flies. Got 24mph. You Da Man!!!!!
Awesome!! Buddy
I guet 28.6MPH on a 14 foot fiber glass fishing boat if It's only me a my kid on board. This is from the 10 inch pitch prop. So maybe with your boat, you are over proping it, preventing max RPM? Install a tach and see if you hit 6300RPM
What kind mpgs were you getting before?
Thanks for this excellent video ! I just bought a 27' 7000 pound sailboat that came with this 9.9 HP engine in an extra long shaft (25") model. You may be interested to know the 20 hp model is not available with the extra long shaft. Doubling the HP will make motoring into strong head winds and currents WAY more doable. This is a game changer for those of us with heavy displacement sailboats, thanks again !
lol heavy displacement.
I'm in a similar boat (nyuk nyuk!). 29ft about same weight as yours. About how much extra speed did you gain from the change? I was considering just going up to 15 by changing the plate. Thanks. DonC
Very well edited and generally good video. Thanks for the content 👍
I did the upgrade from 9.9 to 20 hp. And it worked. Unbelievable what a difference that makes. Never knew the 9.9 was capable of doing the things I experienced yesterday. Boat comes easily in plane now. And speed is Unbelievable! Thanks
@Erwin : mind blowing right? 😀 awesome! You welcome. Since the upgrade i have only gone back to 9.9 once. I love the extra power. Really the 9.9 motor was born a 20hp. The factory restricts
It to half the hp to sell a 9.9.
@@laingej how much does the controller cost and where can I buy it? Thanks!
Do you know what oldest year model 9.9 the conversion kit will work? I'm looking at a 2008 - 4 stroke.. appreciate any comment.
Great information and well done. Thank you for sharing! You are helping folks out who are stuck with 10 hp limits and have a fat friend to fish with! LOL
@joe hahahaha
@@TampaTom lol i have had my wife and two kids just little over 500 lbs with the 20hp planes fine! Top speed was reduced to 22mph from 27mph but still alot of fun. 9.9 struggled to hit 16mph with all of us
one thing that is interesting, suzuki doesn't make a 20hp console steer model, but they do make a 9.9hp console steer model. DF9.9BT EFI
- so this could be a way to get a 20 hp console steerer.
Sure they make a 20hp console steer model
They definitely make a 20hp steering
Ok, I recently did this conversion, and did so after speaking to a Suzuki tech who said the ECU from a 20hp is not needed, the stock ECU will adjust to the added airflow just fine and it did. Runs great, I even checked the spark plugs and they look good not running rich or lean.
What model year is your engine?
@@mightypebble5457 2021
@1224Peterson What year model do you have?
This explains a lot for me. I had noticed that a lot of these 9.9 and 20 hp motors had the same displacement. I thought it was just a typo. Basically either just charging you an extra few hundred dollars for a better ECU which cost the same as the lower horsepower to manufacture.
I hope you are wrong as i have just paid £3,000 for a 20hp Tohatsu when the 9.8 was nearly £1000 less......
It's not better ECU, etc, it cost of production, 9.9, 15, and 20 all have the same tooling, easier on inventory with just a few easily changed components and labels. If there is a big demand for 9.9's, no need to start making more, as in this case, change the restrictor plate, and labels and good to go. Cost of production reductions is profits
interesting video!
It would probably be way cheaper to have the stock 9.9 ecu flashed with the 20HP map file than buying the new $400 ecu...
Great video man
Really nice job, as always. I"ve watched this video a few times and and intrigued by the possibility of converting mine. I mostly use my 9.9 for trolling but occasionally go to smaller lakes with 20 HP limit. I do really like how my Suzuki can maintain a very slow trolling speed in colder weather....wonder if I could achieve the same speed as a 20??
Good stuff man!
Great :-) Thank you for posting !
You got it !
I really appreciate you 👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you
Thank you so much for putting this together. Probably a difficult question to answer however I will ask it anyway for anyone who may have an opinion. Is it likely there will be a similar strategy for the new 2023 models that are out. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a new (in 2023) 9.9 BTHL5 and will be curious if a conversion to a 20 hr will be possible in near future. Thanks again for this. It is fantastic.
Thanks dear brother 👍
Great video, I didn't know that the air intake was so restricted on a 9.9. On my old Honda BF15 the manual specified different spark plugs heat range for the 9.9 Hp did anyone tried a colder range? As for the propeller the torkier 20hp could benifit from more pitch, thanks again!
That’s awesome! I wish I could do something similar with my Yamaha F9.9
Probably can, if you look most new 9.9's weigh the exact same as the 20's meaning they're probably the same like this one
@@Cutlass_Rudd they're different engines. The 9.9 has 212cc and the 20 has 432cc.
@@evert-jansterkenburg295 Same block = same weight, 20 is just bigger bore and stroke
@@Cutlass_Rudd nice to know, i wasn't aware of that fact! But it's not as simple as change a restrictor and slamming in a new ECU, I suppose, to get to 20hp
I noticed this the other day comparing mercury engines. If they have the same displacement, bore, stroke they are the same engine de tuned. Doing this might void the warranty though. That being said when the warranty is up I’m doing this lol
that was alright for sure
Thanks for this video! After watching it, I went out and bought the Suzuki 9.9 2022 model. It seems identical to yours, electric and recoil start. I was just watching it again to make sure I got the parts right before ordering them. And then I wondered. since they are Mitshibushi parts, would they be cheaper if bought from Mitshibushi? I am researching this, but wondered if you, or your readers, already found this out? Please let me know what you found. I am not going to convert it until I am sure the 9.9 won't do the job adequately.
This is totally legit! Suzuki made a 20 hp motor and detuned it to sell 9.9 models. You don't need to buy the seal, ONLY the flame arrestor and the ECU. You can put the flame arrestor into the existing rubber gasket. But no doubt, this turns your 9.9 into a 20 hp. The ONLY part numbers that are exclusive to the 9.9 are the restrictor plate and the ECM. After doing the change, the ONLY part numbers different between the 9.9 and the 20 are the decals!
Yes but i wanted to keep all the 9.9 parts unharmed to swap back to 9.9 if i want to. The 9.9 restrictor comes attached to the seal to remove it you have to cut some rubber rivets then will spin.. did that before. And has that star shape inside. The 20hp seal is smooth on the inside endge and the flame arrestor removable
Thank you
good info
Great video. what year is your motor please?
Thanks for the video. I have the 2017 suzuki 9.9 and changed the restrictor ring and propeller. Do you know if i would get more effect if i also change the ECU?
good video bro eso mas tork mas fuerza zusuki❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Si es el doble de caballos 🤗
Dude, this is going to save me so much money. I was about to buy a 20 for my Jon boat!
I commented before he said that the parts make the 9.9 cost as much as a 20....sad
Lol yeah depends where you buying from... you might save money. At the time i purchased my motor 9.9 was $2300 a 20hp on the same trim level $2700.. parts to make the 9.9 a 20 $417 .. but i said this before.. if you get the 9.9 save money first later upgrade and you have to power options in one single motor.
@@laingej www.rembulanfishingstore.com/2019-suzuki-20-hp-df20as2-outboard-motor/ They have a 20 for $1567. It's the bare bones model but that's all I need.
@@jesseashmore8426 just be careful, i wouldn't buy from that site. buy it from local dealer. when in doubt, search anything follow by the word "scam" and see if you can trust the site. in my opinion, don't buy from unreliable source.
@@sellbyowner9340 I think I just found a 9.9 Yamaha 2 stroke on craigslist. That should be plenty for my 14' Jon. Right now I've got a 2.5 nissan and it's utterly pathetic...I didn't know boat motors were so lucrative.
Thanks for making this video. I am trying to decide which motor to buy for my Saturn SD330W, and I like the idea of buying the 9.9, but having the option to 'hod rod' the engine up to 20hp if I find that the 9.9 doesn't satisfy me. However, I was originally planning to buy a Tohatsu 9.9. First, I looked for video examples of someone who had converted a Tohatsu, but I could not find any such example. So, I looked at the parts catalog for the 2020 Tohatsu 9.9 versus the 20hp. Just like in your example, the only difference in parts between those two motors is a different size gasket, a different ECU, and the fact that the 20hp Tohatsu does not use a restrictor plate. But there is one BIG difference: The Tohatsu ECU costs about $850 compared to $450 for teh Suzuki one! Unless there are noticeable feature benefits on the Tohatsu, I think I'll just buy the Suzuki. Thanks again for your video and the information!
Been watching your videos for a while and in February 2021, I bought a 2020 9.9. The dealer told me it was new but it had a few small scratches. It now has 25 hours (from me) on the 9.9 ECM but the red light never flashed to tell me the the 20 hour service was due? Did you change the ECM before 20 hours and did your 20HP ECM start flashing after 20 hours?
I since put the 20HP ECM and have about 25 hours on that one as well and still not flashing light. When I went for service, the service guy told me that someone had reserved this motor but ended up changing his mind. What I suspect is that they took the motor back after the guy ran it for more than 20 hours? Thanks in advance
I just bought a brand new 2021 Suzuki 9.9 fuel injected. Followed your instructions and got the ECM and the flame resistor with the silencer. But I noticed you talking about propeller pitch. What comes on these motors from the factory? Is it the 9 inch pitch? And if so should I switch to a 10 inch pitch? What’s the difference between an 11 inch pitch and a 10 inch pitch?
What was the website that you shopped to buy the stuff? I just bought a brand new EFI 9.9 Suzuki. I wanted your video but on my phone it’s hard to see and you went through pretty quick.
My question to you and anyone in the group who completed the upgrade to either 15 or 20hp is whether a noticable increase in power was noted at low to mid RPMs, or only at the high end because the WOT max was increased? For example would I expect to have greater speed (and therefore greater fuel consumption) at say 3500RPM (my expected typical cruising speed) after converting to 15 or 20hp? Thanks!
Nice will try 👍 what site did you order your parts from?
Restrictor plate = NASCAR. Are the lower unit 20 hp part numbers the same as the 9.9? This was too easy ! Nice job
Dude, you are the man! Question- are you curious how the performance kaboat may have handled this higher hp? Because of the inflatable v hull? I'm interested in your thoughts.
Maybe , i never been in one of them but should cut the wakes better. I have to slow down in mine for other boats wakes or im flying in the air like hitting a speed bump lol thats the down side of more power on inflatables. Does great on a flat day. But yeah with higher speed the harder it pounds.
If the cylinder is the same for both, then all you change is the intake & rpms. It's about the same as the older 2 Cycle Engines of yester years.
More air more fuel and more rpm
thanks!
Hola Lian! me he hecho fanático de tu canal, felicitaciones desde Argentina, tus videos me son de GRAN AYUDA. Quería hacerte unas preguntas, dada tu experiencia.
Tengo un velero de 26 pies, compre el DF15 modelo 2019 (pata larga) y quiero actualizarlo a 20 hp
Puedo hacerlo con las partes del DF20 modelo 2020?
También consultarte acerca de lo sumergido q debe estar el motor para su correcto funcionamiento, he visto en tus videos q siempre está sumergido unos centímetros por debajo del Lower Mount Port Cover, en mi caso, este mismo, siempre esta completamente por debajo del agua de 3 a 5 cm (de 1 a 2 pulgadas, al menos). Por supuesto esto es siempre con la embarcación amarrada y sin nadie abordo.
Crees q debería estar menos sumergido?
Saludos y Gracias!!
Can you please publish the full Model Code Sequence of your engine, with elect start, and Tiller steer wit 15" shaft, etc? I believe what you have is a DF9.9B series at is in the same class as the DF20A and DF 15A. I notice that there is a DF9.9A series which is in a different model group. Please clarify what you have. Please include the codes that follow the B Series designation. Thanks. Your videos sold me on getting a new Suzuki!.
You are right and mine is the DF9.9BES2
Would it be financially better to buy the 20hp and just switch out the 20hp sticker/decal for a 9.9? Seems those parts are pricey and the work to swap them.
I'm currently waiting on parts to upgrade to 20 but don't know which prop I will need.which of the three you have work best on 20hp?
ECM has a Mitsubishi insignia molded into the case
Is the valve gap spec. the same? The owners manual actually calls for adjusting the gap periodically which is a pretty involved procedure that I have been ignoring on my 15hp version of this motor. It's been two years since you posted this. Have you had any problems in that time?
@LaingEj Some claims of this works fine without the ECU change, have you tried with original ECU and if not, can you do it to confirm? It is suppose to add for the increased air volume anyway..?
I have a 2022 mercury 15hp EFI if I change those 2 parts do you think it will work? The 15 and 20hp are the same exact motor I’m trying to get to 20
It seems there are at least 2 choices for the 20hp ECM and that choice depends on what year and variant of the DF9.9 you are upgrading?? Could you (or anybody else) please help me decide whether the part you installed (33930-89L20) or the 33930-89L30 would be better suited for my engine (DF9.9BT: 2021, with electric start, power trim and remote control (not steering)? Many thanks
Great video, thanks for the tip. I have a 2019 9.9 I'd love to upgrade. How did you match the ECU for the correct
20hp model?
Matching to same year 20hp so look for the 2019 and make sure if you have a starter motor match it to the starter model 20hp
Hola,porqué se calienta la junta de la culata de mi motor suzuki 15cv si refrigera bien puedes contestarme por favor?
Does anyone know if there is a difference between the 2020 versions and the 2022 versions?
I was not able to find any information if this is the same ECU for a motor that has controlls instead of a tiller motor. I have a 2022 df9 with controlls.
Nice how did u discover this mod? Difference between a and b motors is?
Do you happen to know if this will work on older models? 2009 9.9 DF to be more exact.
Thanks. But I got some issues because the engine don't start after I have change the ecu... I have a 9.9B from 2014 and I buy the ecu from the same gear as the 9,9. Do you have som idé?
Good
Gracias
De nada
I have a 9.9. 2023 are pt. #s the same?
I have a suzuki DF9.9A 2014 pull start, can I raise the power in this model?, if so, how?
The kid was a plus added a dimension.
Could you convert or increase a 25 mercury to a higher hp?
First of all, thank you for the great videos, including the other one with the propeller comparison. I`m looking to buy the DF15A since this is the maximum my inflatable is supposed to be able to withstand. But you never know what the future may bring, so this video definitely caught my attention.
However, there is something I do not understand: the official Suzuki brochure lists DF9.9 and DF15 with a 44 kg weight (97 lbs) whereas the DF20 is supposed to weigh 48 kg (106lbs). Where is the difference coming from? I doubt the DF20 is sold with a 4 kg / 9 lbs heavier propeller... :)
@danieldumanescu : youre very welcome. The 106lbs is the electric push start model.. thats the one i have ! is a little heavier mostly because of the starter motor.. the pull cord start models are 97 lbs
@@laingej That makes sense. Thank you!
I bought a DF9.9b this year. Would this work on that as well
What was the speed difference with the motor?
I looked in the Description..where did you source parts?
I have a suzuki 8hp 2021
Ist it possible to upgrade the 8hp to 9hp?
What is needed to change?
Thx
If this is the same situation with a Tohatsu then does that mean. I have been totally ripped off buying the 20hp from the get go?
Is this only for 2014 and up? Or could I do this to my 2012? Im pisking it up sunday, sp exited
What about 9.8 efi tohatsu? Is it same?
Hey laingej
U convinced me to upgrade my ECU, but the dealer told me that I've to do the break in period again. This because all data is not copied ofcourse. Is there a way to skip the break in period in the software (I also bought after watching you're vids) thanks in advance Greetings from the Netherlands robert satoer
Will this work with the DF9BS5?
HOW TO COVERT ENDUMAX 20HP OBM INTO 30HP OBM "CARBURATOR MODEL " ?
I have Tohatsu 15 hp efi, 2018 and I want do the same thing to convert it to 20 hp but...ecu cost 800$! I wonder if is possible to re programm my ecu to 20. I think is the same only software is diffrent....
I was seriously considering doing this but I need to find out if it’s better money wise to buy the 20hp and replace 20hp sticker with 9.9 sticker.
You know i tought about that too but liked the idea of have two outboard options.. like right now im going to do alot of trolling gona get cold i wont be going fast so i switch back to the 9.9 with a 7” pitch prop .. gives me more flexibility having two power options
CAN you trolling wit This motor 9.9 wit a fiberglass 12 feets and thé modification can do the in slow speed
Will this work for the Mercury 9.9
as well...??
I have a Suzuki 2017 df15a electric start which ecm do I need
Hi .
This work for a 2021 suzuki DF9.9AS carburetor version???
Thanks
Hi is possible doing this in 9.9 2 stroke ?
I thought the suzuki didn't need a battery to start?
Does this work with the 15hp?
Suzuki 9.9hp to 20hp conversion - DF9.9B to DF20A
I took the restrictor plate off the red dragon. Keep it on the down low, it's not exactly street legal.
Yeah some places dont care .. others have rules gotta check your local laws but nobody would know 😜
Good thing you don't have to use it on the street!
Edwin Laing joke went right over your head
benniethejew movie old school...... it’s a reference/ joke from the movie
@@MatanuskaHIGH can't quite place it but I was being silly just as you were maybe I'll search the movie clip this evening when I have some time
When I can upgrade to 20 hp..before brake in or after so I don't ruined the engine
Hi, please help me, in outboard upgrade Tohatsu MFS9.9EEPS to MFS20EEPS the motor is the same, they must have the same restrictions... please help me...
It is the same on 15hk?
How much do the upgrade parts cost please?
Can it work on suzuki 9.9 2012 pull start?
Starting what year can this work on
What are the chances of getting caught on a 9.9hp lake with this conversion? Also, would it be cheaper to buy a 20HP and just swap the sticker, or is it stamped 9.9hp?
So if I buy a 22 model will this still work the df9.9bes4-22 that website you posted only goes up to 2021 so what do I do lol help me out
Thanks! What would be the steps to go from 9.9 to 15? Is only changing the restrictor ring sufficient?
you would need the 15hp ecu to get the 6000 rpm redline. Costs the same as doing in the 20hp convertion so why not get 10hp instead of 5hp for the same price
Great video. #Outboard == for the algorithm lol
Neat, same Mitsubishi made ecu as Yamaha.
Yeah many parts are mitsubishi.. the starter too
@@laingej just looked at my ECU, looks identical to that unit. I bet tohatsu uses em to, and everyone licensed it. Which means u can/could take a 9.9 tohatsu to 20hp as well.
@@omieyouknowme yes someone told me you can do the same with tohatsu.. just restrictor plate and ecu but didnt know the ecu’s were the same mitsubishi one thats interesting