*Chapters* 00:00 Introduction 00:23 Specs 00:38 Build quality 01:23 Backlight Keyboard 01:51 Screen 02:10 Keyboard imprint 02:35 Ports & modules 03:24 Power and docking stations 03:41 Speakers, webcam & microphone quality 04:09 Day to Day usage. battery life and fans 04:42 What should Framework change? 05:05 Software changes I would like 05:28 Why should you buy a Framework? 05:48 Will I keep using the Framework laptop? 06:19 Written review! *Get in touch* - twitter.com/markv - voys.co/marks-newsletter/ (English newsletter) - voys.nl/mark (Dutch newsletter) *Thanks to* Thanks to my voys.co colleagues for helping me make this video!
Hey Mark, mooie review. Gaan jullie de framework laptop gebruiken bij Voys? Is deze ook aan te raden voor een particulier zoals ik? Het principe spreek me aan. De Fairphone onder de laptops zullen we maar zeggen. Hoor graag je mening. Groeten van Niels (de bakfietsmeneer uit je eigen woonwijk ;-))
Great review! Thankfully, Framework addressed most of the issues you pointed out: A more sturdy hinge, a more robust top shell, a matte screen and a denser battery. The best thing is that all of these ate available on their website as parts so you can replace them on your current laptop (no need to buy a new model). That's what I love about Framework!
There is a 4.0kg hinge version to buy from framework which increases the force to keep the lid angle stationary on the go and in bumpier environments, but trading off the easy one-hand-opening.
It's awesome that most weaknesses mentioned can be fixed by replacement parts now. I know there are better and cheaper options out there but I'll definitely get a Framework laptop because it's good enough and I want to support it.
Boom, you got almost all yer wishes today in the live event. Matte screen, hinges, speakers and even a larger battery!! (And, checkout that 16” model with upgradable GPUs and more!!
Thanks for this review. I have never seen/noticed a timeout for keyboard backlights until I noticed it on my Lenovo Flex. I didn't notice it until over a year had passed because I don't use them that much, but when I did notice it, it was VERY frustrating. I can say that when I want the backlight on, it is SUPER annoying having it turn off automatically (auto time-out). I don't use my laptop in the dark that much but when I do, I want to be able to see which key i'm hitting BEFORE I hit it. If I'm watching a movie, I just turn it off as that is very easy to do. If I'm using it, I want to be in control of it, not some engineer who isn't there and doesn't know my use case. Without the ability to turn off the auto time-out like it is on the Lenovo, this is just a horrible feature. The ideal would be for a laptop manufacturer to create the option and give the option to the user to adjust (auto on/off, delay time, etc). Just my two cents worth. Thanks again!
I rather the keyboard not dim by itself. You can dim it if you're watching a movie of you want, it's over an hour entertainment and 2 seconds activity to dim it. Meanwhile if it always does the dimming it would get on my nerves. Plus the arrow keys... That's the worst way to make them. You use up and down much more than left and right, yet they're the smallest. Thankfully I'm getting the 16 with the all rgb keys and macro pad
Great video! It's unfortunate but I feel that nobody can compete with Apple right now in the laptop market from a raw hardware perspective. I love the ideology behind the Framework but I can't afford to drop a grand on something that isn't the best I can buy for the price, and the battery life issues with seemingly all other laptops really sour things even more. Lets hope Framework can change that in the coming years!
As long as Apple does not take repair seriously, they are part of the problem, not the solution. They are the most active actor hindering the right to repair. We can't continue like this. I love how long an Apple device is useful, and they keep their value because of it. I hate the fact that simple repairs are costly and can only be done by Apple. There is only one reason to do this: stock price.
I’m in the same boat as you. I love the idea of Frame work and would like to get one… but Apple Silicon looks to be too impressive for the cost. Even if the performance was good in this, it’s thermal management is not.
Depends on what you need. Ultrabook? Definitely. Workstation? Only if you need MacOS exclusive software. Their price per performance ratio is laughable.
@@SuperSybre I am with you here, but I understand him. Most people can rock a ThinkPad for 10 plus years without issue, perhaps upgrade the ram and SSD, that would give them another 3 to five years, until the screen fails and it is time to go. For me, however, most of the time, laptops are decommissioned because I need more juice and better performance. And there is just not much I can do with the old laptop. I know, I can still use the SSD, HDD, but not always the ram because usually the frequency is lower and would not be ideal for a newer CPU. It would be a shame to throw the rest away because the screens, speakers, keyboards are still good. I just feel like I am committing a crime here. So I just sell them to my friends who need it for a happy meal. I know there are cheaper options with the same performance, but it is not always about money. It is about recycling. I am willing to pay a premium for that.
Since the age of the Ultrabook began, I have not seen a single laptop where the keys don't come into contact with the screen when it's closed. Not from Apple, or Dell, or Asus, or even the obscure GPD Win max that I'm currently using. It is singly the most annoying thing about this age, but at this point I kind of accept it's par for the course. I feel like matte screens are worse for clarity, but better for smudging-- it's a tough sell.
The trackpad can be great. But I noticed after opening up a couple of times, a tiny misalignment makes the touchpad feel weird. Correctly aligning is hard and the whole thing is very sensitive.
Where is the hardware from? Is it Chinese build? The repair'ability' is nice, but with what kind of components? I would like to replace my hardware with 'Made in Europe' counterparts.
You're not going to be able to find anything. Let's just look at the CPU alone. There are two general types of CPUs in consumer-grade devices. x86 and ARM. ARM is present in things like phones, tablets, and other embedded use cases. Technically Mac computers are now on ARM as well with the M1/M2 chips. But they're basically a weird case on their own, so we'll ignore them. x86 is the architecture used in PCs. Desktops and Laptops without fail, aside from Mac because they do their own thing, use x86. x86 CPUs are made by two companies. Intel and AMD. Currently Framework laptops only offer Intel CPUs. Now, technically Intel has a wafer fabrication plant in Ireland, and no assembly plants anywhere in Europe as far as I found. As far as I'm aware, you won't be able to find which plants your CPU was fabricated or assembled in, so you won't be able to know if it was fabricated in the Ireland plant, and it definitely wasn't assembled in Europe. AMD CPUs are made in Taiwan, so don't think you can find a European-made CPU there. Basically, you're not going to be able to find a European-made CPU. Now expand to the other components in the computer, and you'll find similar stories throughout any desktop/laptop you look at.
@@emilymarriott5927 thanks for elaborating on this topic. Let's change the settings a little bit. 'is it possible to build a PC without 'Made in PRC (China)' parts in it? I would love to see a European brand, but if there is non of the latter it's a pity.
*Chapters*
00:00 Introduction
00:23 Specs
00:38 Build quality
01:23 Backlight Keyboard
01:51 Screen
02:10 Keyboard imprint
02:35 Ports & modules
03:24 Power and docking stations
03:41 Speakers, webcam & microphone quality
04:09 Day to Day usage. battery life and fans
04:42 What should Framework change?
05:05 Software changes I would like
05:28 Why should you buy a Framework?
05:48 Will I keep using the Framework laptop?
06:19 Written review!
*Get in touch*
- twitter.com/markv
- voys.co/marks-newsletter/ (English newsletter)
- voys.nl/mark (Dutch newsletter)
*Thanks to*
Thanks to my voys.co colleagues for helping me make this video!
Can you make new video of the latest Framework updates?
Hey Mark, mooie review. Gaan jullie de framework laptop gebruiken bij Voys? Is deze ook aan te raden voor een particulier zoals ik? Het principe spreek me aan. De Fairphone onder de laptops zullen we maar zeggen. Hoor graag je mening. Groeten van Niels (de bakfietsmeneer uit je eigen woonwijk ;-))
Great review!
Thankfully, Framework addressed most of the issues you pointed out: A more sturdy hinge, a more robust top shell, a matte screen and a denser battery. The best thing is that all of these ate available on their website as parts so you can replace them on your current laptop (no need to buy a new model).
That's what I love about Framework!
I work for a school district and I can tell you that this Laptop is a dream
There is a 4.0kg hinge version to buy from framework which increases the force to keep the lid angle stationary on the go and in bumpier environments, but trading off the easy one-hand-opening.
And there is more rigid Top Cover available to buy from Framework.
It should be noted that I used only one of the new hinges... it helps.
It's awesome that most weaknesses mentioned can be fixed by replacement parts now. I know there are better and cheaper options out there but I'll definitely get a Framework laptop because it's good enough and I want to support it.
They solved all the issues that u pointed out in this video🙂
Boom, you got almost all yer wishes today in the live event. Matte screen, hinges, speakers and even a larger battery!! (And, checkout that 16” model with upgradable GPUs and more!!
Love that they are so open to feedback and that they added AMD!
You got most of your wishes.
Would be nice to see a module with 2 USB connections in one! I think you'll like the changes Framework have announced recently.
Great video. Unbelievable production quality and a well-written review. Thank you.
Thanks for this review.
I have never seen/noticed a timeout for keyboard backlights until I noticed it on my Lenovo Flex. I didn't notice it until over a year had passed because I don't use them that much, but when I did notice it, it was VERY frustrating. I can say that when I want the backlight on, it is SUPER annoying having it turn off automatically (auto time-out). I don't use my laptop in the dark that much but when I do, I want to be able to see which key i'm hitting BEFORE I hit it. If I'm watching a movie, I just turn it off as that is very easy to do. If I'm using it, I want to be in control of it, not some engineer who isn't there and doesn't know my use case. Without the ability to turn off the auto time-out like it is on the Lenovo, this is just a horrible feature. The ideal would be for a laptop manufacturer to create the option and give the option to the user to adjust (auto on/off, delay time, etc). Just my two cents worth.
Thanks again!
Outstanding presentation! Subbed
A great review, imho.
Concise, thorough (but not too thorough), short and charming.
Thank you for this.
☮️
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video man
Simple fix for Slack draining your battery: disable animated emojis.
i hope it becomes a good option for digital artists
Great video!!
U can upgrade the screen to a matte one.
I rather the keyboard not dim by itself. You can dim it if you're watching a movie of you want, it's over an hour entertainment and 2 seconds activity to dim it. Meanwhile if it always does the dimming it would get on my nerves. Plus the arrow keys... That's the worst way to make them. You use up and down much more than left and right, yet they're the smallest. Thankfully I'm getting the 16 with the all rgb keys and macro pad
I wish the Display can do 360 flip to back, have Tough Screen, and Anti-glade.
I wish Framework laptop as converter, 2 and 1. And offer Android as operation system.
If they did, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Great video! It's unfortunate but I feel that nobody can compete with Apple right now in the laptop market from a raw hardware perspective. I love the ideology behind the Framework but I can't afford to drop a grand on something that isn't the best I can buy for the price, and the battery life issues with seemingly all other laptops really sour things even more. Lets hope Framework can change that in the coming years!
As long as Apple does not take repair seriously, they are part of the problem, not the solution. They are the most active actor hindering the right to repair. We can't continue like this. I love how long an Apple device is useful, and they keep their value because of it. I hate the fact that simple repairs are costly and can only be done by Apple. There is only one reason to do this: stock price.
I’m in the same boat as you. I love the idea of Frame work and would like to get one… but Apple Silicon looks to be too impressive for the cost.
Even if the performance was good in this, it’s thermal management is not.
I will use both
Depends on what you need. Ultrabook? Definitely. Workstation? Only if you need MacOS exclusive software. Their price per performance ratio is laughable.
@@SuperSybre I am with you here, but I understand him. Most people can rock a ThinkPad for 10 plus years without issue, perhaps upgrade the ram and SSD, that would give them another 3 to five years, until the screen fails and it is time to go.
For me, however, most of the time, laptops are decommissioned because I need more juice and better performance. And there is just not much I can do with the old laptop.
I know, I can still use the SSD, HDD, but not always the ram because usually the frequency is lower and would not be ideal for a newer CPU.
It would be a shame to throw the rest away because the screens, speakers, keyboards are still good. I just feel like I am committing a crime here. So I just sell them to my friends who need it for a happy meal.
I know there are cheaper options with the same performance, but it is not always about money. It is about recycling. I am willing to pay a premium for that.
I’m look at them .
Since the age of the Ultrabook began, I have not seen a single laptop where the keys don't come into contact with the screen when it's closed. Not from Apple, or Dell, or Asus, or even the obscure GPD Win max that I'm currently using. It is singly the most annoying thing about this age, but at this point I kind of accept it's par for the course. I feel like matte screens are worse for clarity, but better for smudging-- it's a tough sell.
How is the keyboard flex?
I did not notice much flex.
I just wish the alloy wasn’t as fragile as a macbook.
What is the trackpad like?
OK. Not bad. Not great either.
Usable... but has tons of issues...
The trackpad can be great. But I noticed after opening up a couple of times, a tiny misalignment makes the touchpad feel weird. Correctly aligning is hard and the whole thing is very sensitive.
Where is the hardware from? Is it Chinese build? The repair'ability' is nice, but with what kind of components? I would like to replace my hardware with 'Made in Europe' counterparts.
What kind of weed youre smoking if you think there are components made in europe
You're not going to be able to find anything. Let's just look at the CPU alone. There are two general types of CPUs in consumer-grade devices. x86 and ARM. ARM is present in things like phones, tablets, and other embedded use cases. Technically Mac computers are now on ARM as well with the M1/M2 chips. But they're basically a weird case on their own, so we'll ignore them.
x86 is the architecture used in PCs. Desktops and Laptops without fail, aside from Mac because they do their own thing, use x86. x86 CPUs are made by two companies. Intel and AMD. Currently Framework laptops only offer Intel CPUs. Now, technically Intel has a wafer fabrication plant in Ireland, and no assembly plants anywhere in Europe as far as I found. As far as I'm aware, you won't be able to find which plants your CPU was fabricated or assembled in, so you won't be able to know if it was fabricated in the Ireland plant, and it definitely wasn't assembled in Europe. AMD CPUs are made in Taiwan, so don't think you can find a European-made CPU there.
Basically, you're not going to be able to find a European-made CPU. Now expand to the other components in the computer, and you'll find similar stories throughout any desktop/laptop you look at.
@@emilymarriott5927 thanks for elaborating on this topic. Let's change the settings a little bit. 'is it possible to build a PC without 'Made in PRC (China)' parts in it? I would love to see a European brand, but if there is non of the latter it's a pity.
Agree. China Made will ALWAYS use substandard parts and will always find ways to use inferior components . disposable.
@@miksUSA777 Where do you think Apple computers are made?
This is genius but the logo is terrible.
I understand why that took framework, but the name is not good for searching it, as there are many frameworks (for languages)
unusual